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Speaker 5: We'll start off with with with my guy, Tamo Sam Sam.
Speaker 3: Seventy seventh sh Tyer Smith reports.
Speaker 4: Coming out saying, Hey Cowboys, Tyrs Smith didn't I weren't
Speaker 4: able to come together on a contract. He's going to
Speaker 4: be a restrict unrestricted free agent, and that this is
Speaker 4: most likely going to be it.
Speaker 3: Tyring was second team All Pro.
Speaker 4: His agent as any agent should, Hey, my guy, second
Speaker 4: team All Pro?
Speaker 3: That contract last year where I played a game in
Speaker 3: the game. That doesn't work for us that's what your
Speaker 3: agent should do. Yep, Cowboys, it come up with a
Speaker 3: deal at all, and I just want to make sure
Speaker 3: I put it out here first. What a thank Tyre.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's fantastic career.
Speaker 4: Fantastic career, coming out of the USC taking ninth overall.
Speaker 4: Started right tackle, went to left tackle. Fantastic year. Uh,
Speaker 4: fantastic career, and last year fantastic year. Thought he'd have
Speaker 4: a good year. He had a good year. But thank you,
Speaker 4: and you got to move on. You got a left
Speaker 4: tackle now, Tyler Smith moves over to the left tack.
Speaker 4: You drafted him to be a left tackle. I talked
Speaker 4: to Will McLay last year, said that's what we did.
Speaker 4: We drafted him to be a left tackle. So moves
Speaker 4: on over there. And of course you know you want
Speaker 4: to go to left tackle because that's where the money.
Speaker 4: So you kick him on out there. Whoever side signs Tiring,
Speaker 4: good luck to him. You go in the draft and
Speaker 4: you go find someone else. So I just set my
Speaker 4: piece on seven seven.
Speaker 2: Look, listen if it is the end, because you know
Speaker 2: a lot of stranger things have happened, So if it
Speaker 2: is the end, Tiring has had a hell of a
Speaker 2: career here, I don't think it's over. I mean I
Speaker 2: think the recipe has been put out there, like, hey,
Speaker 2: this is what you got to do to make sure
Speaker 2: that this guy is able to play at the top
Speaker 2: Knights level and that he's healthy. Limit the practices, make
Speaker 2: sure that you keep them out of harm's way and
Speaker 2: let him be healthy for the game. And he's gonna
Speaker 2: go out there and be one of the best left
Speaker 2: tackles in the game. So I think he still has
Speaker 2: has has some left in the tank. But like I said,
Speaker 2: if it's the last, last, last hoo rock for him here,
Speaker 2: last season, Hall of Fame career here, uh, game changing
Speaker 2: left tackle for over a decade, So shout out to him.
Speaker 2: But you know what this is gonna sound crazy. Still,
Speaker 2: I would have took him back, told you I said
Speaker 2: last week, I would have money aside. I'm just talking
Speaker 2: about you know, said money aside him as a player.
Speaker 2: And now, after all those years then finally figuring out
Speaker 2: how to get it done, I would have said, hey, man,
Speaker 2: we didn't. We didn't finally figured out the magic sauce. Okay,
Speaker 2: so now we go to make sure that we use
Speaker 2: the sauce. And we got us a second team All
Speaker 2: Pro left tackle for the next however many years he
Speaker 2: felt like he wants to play. Are you telling the
Speaker 2: truth when you say Tyrn Smith has been in all
Speaker 2: time like top ten left tackle in this league. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, and all of the the accolades, everything that
Speaker 2: he's accomplished in the league. Actually you know it. But
Speaker 2: I look at a guy played for the Rams and
Speaker 2: played for also played for the Cincinnati Bengals before number
Speaker 2: seventy with big wit right unless you got it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So it played a long time in the league and
Speaker 2: then finally goes to another team he ends up winning
Speaker 2: them a ring. And I'm sure for Tyran that's what
Speaker 2: That's what all these that's what everybody covets. You know,
Speaker 2: winning a super Bowl Hall of Fame is gonna be fine,
Speaker 2: but winning the Super Bowl and maybe he feels like
Speaker 2: I'm in that position now to be able to look
Speaker 2: at the full gamut of all the teams that are
Speaker 2: out there and pick and choose where I want to go.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Knwie when you say, look, you've had
Speaker 2: a fine career, but we've drafted the guy to be
Speaker 2: the air parent and we understand from watching him play
Speaker 2: that he's that guy and he can make that move.
Speaker 2: I think for the Cowboys they have to move on
Speaker 2: in this situation. There are some guys that getting longer
Speaker 2: than two on the offensive line. I loath the day
Speaker 2: when we have to have this conversation about Zach Martin
Speaker 2: because again you're talking about one of the best to
Speaker 2: do it in the league. But it's time. It's time.
Speaker 2: And it was also going back to Jason Whitten. When
Speaker 2: Jason Whitten was playing those final years and not allowing
Speaker 2: it for guys to develop in front of him. That's
Speaker 2: another situation. And I think you look at Tyler and
Speaker 2: the success that he's had playing guard. Can he make
Speaker 2: the adjustment out to left tackle is what I'm sure
Speaker 2: this organization wants to see, and I trust without having
Speaker 2: the time, proof and consistency that he do it. No, this,
Speaker 2: this is this is surprising to me.
Speaker 5: You know, first off, echo everything you guys said about
Speaker 5: his Hall of Fame career, because we all know he
Speaker 5: was one of the greatest left tackles to ever do
Speaker 5: it in the game. But this is surprising for me
Speaker 5: because you know, when was the last time we saw
Speaker 5: you know this, Dallas Cowboys organization, let an all time great,
Speaker 5: you know, go away. We'll just kind of walk away
Speaker 5: from their organization. I mean you go from the Jason Wittens, Uh,
Speaker 5: you know, Romo was here for forever. I mean you're
Speaker 5: looking at guys that have been here and their main
Speaker 5: stage was with the Dallas Cowboys, and we see them,
Speaker 5: like you said, you know, kind of be that blocker,
Speaker 5: and the Cowboys keep bringing them back. So to me,
Speaker 5: this is surprising, and maybe it's you know, going in
Speaker 5: a different direction for the Cowboys as an organization to say, hey,
Speaker 5: we gotta you know, we gotta keep this thing turning,
Speaker 5: we gotta keep it rolling. So I'm surprised when it
Speaker 5: comes to that regard that they let him slide.
Speaker 2: But when it comes to Tyron Smith on a new team,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 5: Know if he's gonna be able to do that that recipe, Like,
Speaker 5: I don't know if he's gonna be able to say,
Speaker 5: hey man, I'm just no camp for me. You know,
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna practice, you know, maybe on Fridays on
Speaker 5: half days, because you got to learn that system. That
Speaker 5: whole news, how they like to block the power, how
Speaker 5: they like to pass protect you know, what is their
Speaker 5: communication out there with the center.
Speaker 2: How is he pointing things out? So I don't know
Speaker 2: if he's going to be able to do that recipe.
Speaker 5: And but we'll see going forward because we know if
Speaker 5: he does a practice during the week of plays in
Speaker 5: the game, the guys are all start, the guys are
Speaker 5: the second.
Speaker 2: Team off pro. So we'll see what happens with him
Speaker 2: going forward.
Speaker 5: But like you guys all said, I mean, he had
Speaker 5: a Hall of Fame career here and his mustards are So.
Speaker 2: My thing is also this okay, because I know last
Speaker 2: week we talked about I watched the rams and then
Speaker 2: put all the players in the right position and give
Speaker 2: up draft picks and do all this stuff. And that's
Speaker 2: what I don't know. We'll get to all in, but
Speaker 2: this is just that sounds like sounds like so to me,
Speaker 2: what all in sounds like is you have a hell
Speaker 2: of a player left guard, you have a hell of
Speaker 2: a player left tackle, and you're just looking for the
Speaker 2: other pieces to be able to fill in. So this
Speaker 2: could be your all in season and then now you
Speaker 2: got to go find you somebody on that left side
Speaker 2: when you already got the left side shirted up and
Speaker 2: you have some other pieces that you could have you know,
Speaker 2: been focused on. But you know, just it is what
Speaker 2: it is. Where you gonna put them coins at? You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying?
Speaker 5: Like, you know, I don't know what number he was
Speaker 5: asking for, whatever he wanted that left tackle, but you
Speaker 5: know where are you going to allocate those dollars to?
Speaker 5: Do you think it's more important that you know, take
Speaker 5: that money and give it.
Speaker 2: To you know, running back out there? Like do you
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be that much more impactful? Oh? You
Speaker 2: think that's the case with with four, which it could be.
Speaker 5: It could be with four out there, and we all
Speaker 5: know the quarterback position is the most important position on.
Speaker 2: The football field.
Speaker 5: But if you ain't got nobody holding down that blind side,
Speaker 5: how much of an impact can four have out there?
Speaker 5: So it's gonna be interesting where they where they decide
Speaker 5: to put these dollars.
Speaker 2: What's more interesting to me is from the center and
Speaker 2: guard position. If you move in Tyler Smith out to tackle,
Speaker 2: what are you gonna do with be Odish? Do you
Speaker 2: sign him to a new contract, do you let him walk?
Speaker 2: Or do you go into Because then if you go
Speaker 2: into the draft for the center and the guard position,
Speaker 2: then you're you're not fortifying, you're weakening your offensive line
Speaker 2: now with rookies that have no experience, so free agency,
Speaker 2: then you're looking to bring in an offensive lineman if
Speaker 2: you don't sign be Odish and so, look, we're starting
Speaker 2: to meet musical chairs early. And I appreciate that rather
Speaker 2: than doing it during the season. But I think something
Speaker 2: something had to change, Something had to change, and you know,
Speaker 2: being to me, in a perfect world, re signing be
Speaker 2: Oddish and then going out and getting the guard would
Speaker 2: be the move. If I had a rookie guard there,
Speaker 2: I would feel better about that having him in between
Speaker 2: Beotish and Smith versus do you like I like it?
Speaker 2: And to think about Idoga, Adoga was a guard and
Speaker 2: not a tackle, and we made him play tackle. So
Speaker 2: that's like, that's the mystery to all of that because
Speaker 2: he was playing out a position early in the season.
Speaker 2: He did a good job. He did a good job,
Speaker 2: and so I understand the organizations is basically saying, look,
Speaker 2: timing's long in the tooth man. We need to try
Speaker 2: and move on down down the road and find something
Speaker 2: better here. I think Tyler Smith is the heir apparent.
Speaker 2: They get an opportunity to look at that now start
Speaker 2: doing it your way, where you're talking about going all
Speaker 2: in finding those other pieces. I think the hesitancy that
Speaker 2: I have on that is we know that anything can happen,
Speaker 2: and if anything does happen, then we're back to square one.
Speaker 2: And then my question is this, if he goes out,
Speaker 2: he tests the market and he state taxes may be
Speaker 2: a little different, the numbers not what he what he
Speaker 2: had hoped. It'll be. Oh, this is home, he's been
Speaker 2: there for a long time. Then I believe, like, do
Speaker 2: you think that Jerry says, all right, wait, well come
Speaker 2: on back, big fellow, and then we'll we'll hold it
Speaker 2: off for one more year, and Tyler you go ahead
Speaker 2: and staying there Lett left guard and we got our
Speaker 2: We got our guy at the right price over the
Speaker 2: price that we think is fair, and then you move on,
Speaker 2: move on from that point. Or do you think it's
Speaker 2: just hey, man, hey, thank you for your services. You've
Speaker 2: been great. Here, you be in the ring of honor.
Speaker 2: But we're gonna move on with with Tyler Smiths all
Speaker 2: left tackle. Man. I think that's I think that there
Speaker 2: would still be a market for Tyrn Smith. I think
Speaker 2: there's a team out there. I think there's a team.
Speaker 2: Now I think that wont them. I mean, I mean
Speaker 2: from what we heard. I mean, like we said, we
Speaker 2: don't know the number that he's asked, but it seems
Speaker 2: like it may be high. So it could be a market,
Speaker 2: so it could be a work it out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got right again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in a league that is starving for offensive lineman
Speaker 4: and you go to the new team.
Speaker 3: Hey, how did I play as many games as I did?
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't practice during the week. They get
Speaker 4: me ready to go. Are you good with that? This
Speaker 4: is the way we can get the most out of
Speaker 4: the player. I've just looked up franchise tags. Off it's
Speaker 4: the line of twenty million dollars twenty point nine. So
Speaker 4: if I'm the agent, okay, we're looking to get here.
Speaker 4: If you're the Cowboys, are you looking to get there?
Speaker 2: You know what I do. What's the what's the minimum
Speaker 2: at his at the year? No? No, no, minimum, I's
Speaker 2: got it. It's gotta what five six, gotta be So
Speaker 2: you so when you're looking at the number, you at
Speaker 2: least you're at least on minimum, which you're not going
Speaker 2: to pay the guy saying whatever that is and then
Speaker 2: so it's the difference between that twenty and then whatever
Speaker 2: the minimum is what you know you're not gonna be
Speaker 2: able to pay him. So I think, I think when
Speaker 2: you look at the market and say, well, how much
Speaker 2: are you willing to pay a left tackle that much?
Speaker 2: I think he's worth that much. I think the injury thing,
Speaker 2: just because he played one full season is still gonna
Speaker 2: be something. What team says, you know what, I can't
Speaker 2: I can't give you a two year, Well, Mike Images
Speaker 2: got fifty two fifty. You know what I'm saying. I'm
Speaker 2: guarantee the whole.
Speaker 3: Whole primise too of you basically playing per game.
Speaker 2: Hey, you're healthy.
Speaker 3: If I'm tired, that's a no start. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: We're not so those things.
Speaker 4: Hey man, you got that last year that was a
Speaker 4: freebe were not doing that anymore. And I get it
Speaker 4: on Tyrannt's part, but I also get the Cowboys part.
Speaker 4: And Danny, you went through that negotiations class when you
Speaker 4: were working on the NBA and you get to that.
Speaker 3: Point, what is the bottom line where you say this.
Speaker 2: Is the floor.
Speaker 4: If I'm tying, I have to have guarantees. I'm not
Speaker 4: playing game to game I need guaranteed money. I finished
Speaker 4: second team All Pro. While I may not need twenty one,
Speaker 4: I need something up here to compensates me for what
Speaker 4: I do and what I have done. And if you're
Speaker 4: the Cowboys, as you're trying to pay Dak Prescott, as
Speaker 4: you're trying to pay CD Lamb, as you know Michael
Speaker 4: Parsons is coming up over here, everybody can't get paid.
Speaker 3: You got also diggi Zoo some point he's got to
Speaker 3: get paid. Deron Bland.
Speaker 4: So as much as I like Tyron Smith and you
Speaker 4: know I love some seven to seven, this thing starts
Speaker 4: to become financial.
Speaker 3: And as I'm looking at the finances and.
Speaker 4: He's probably gonna be able to get a two year
Speaker 4: deal from somebody, you'll just want to do a one.
Speaker 4: That's why I am the opinion I'll let I'll let
Speaker 4: him go. I'll put Tyler Smith there.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: When you talk about the center, I'm going out to
Speaker 4: go try to draft. I want a bigger center, Okay,
Speaker 4: that's what I want. I want a bigger center. We
Speaker 4: saw Biatis come in here and play as a rookie.
Speaker 4: We saw Travis Frederick come in here and play as rookie.
Speaker 3: You can do that. The kid hump free up there
Speaker 3: at Kansas City, I think it was went to Kansas State.
Speaker 3: But that kid. You've seen rookies do this.
Speaker 4: The guy in Baltimore, his name was talked about a
Speaker 4: few years ago and the Cowboys didn't get him all pro.
Speaker 4: So you can find somebody to do this. Plus you've
Speaker 4: got a Zach Martin on one side to help a
Speaker 4: young player out.
Speaker 3: If it's odougo over there.
Speaker 4: You're not gonna have five perfect dudes, but you're if
Speaker 4: you run out. Tyler Smith, Zach Martin, Terrence Steele. Those
Speaker 4: are three really good ones. When you start looking across
Speaker 4: the league. We can go ahead and plug some holes.
Speaker 4: It's not gonna be perfect, but you cannot go in,
Speaker 4: in my opinion, not improving the run game.
Speaker 3: You were fifteenth and rushing last year.
Speaker 2: It ain't good enough.
Speaker 4: It was anybody happy with Tony Pollo's production and the
Speaker 4: running back.
Speaker 2: Present, no serve, no, not at all. But the names
Speaker 2: that you when you say Travis Frederick, all right, let's
Speaker 2: let's take his name and put him up all right
Speaker 2: somewhere else, all right, Because they're talking about another guy
Speaker 2: that comes in and is a great at his position right,
Speaker 2: And I think sometimes we get it confused when we
Speaker 2: start mixing those names up or thinking that a guy
Speaker 2: is the equivalent of another guy. I never said beyondish
Speaker 2: was that and out of necessity if we have to
Speaker 2: bring in having a Beyondish, I'm almost like, for who
Speaker 2: for what? Especially if we have a guy that we
Speaker 2: already know what he is, what his strengths, what his
Speaker 2: weaknesses are, and what essentially is he asking for now?
Speaker 2: It's been an embarrassment of riches here for years where
Speaker 2: we've had five across the board, like no other team
Speaker 2: in the NFL has that. The Super Bowl champion didn't
Speaker 2: even have that. So, look, we're talking about the good
Speaker 2: guys that we have. I'm okay with that. I'm just
Speaker 2: talking about where we have the weaknesses in our offensive line.
Speaker 2: I just don't feel like smack dab in the middle
Speaker 2: is where you want to go with two rookies right there,
Speaker 2: That's all.
Speaker 4: So I did some research on West Virginia's Zach Fraser.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so call the.
Speaker 4: Contact up there when you're playing a big twelve. I said,
Speaker 4: what if the Cowboys to be said the Cowboys got
Speaker 4: him in the second round? He said, he's bigger then
Speaker 4: be Oddish wider can hold it better. Said, he's an
Speaker 4: excellent character guy, said one of the guys that we
Speaker 4: had here is he did everything we want and he's
Speaker 4: got position flex.
Speaker 2: That is where that's the kind of player you are, right,
Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking. No, absolutely, if you could go on.
Speaker 3: The second round and go get yourself a starting center.
Speaker 4: Who's bigger, because we won't talking about with Hey, nice player,
Speaker 4: but boy, you know you can get on passing.
Speaker 3: This is what I'm talking at. A high character guy.
Speaker 4: And I'm saving money because, by the way, when you
Speaker 4: talk about bringing Tyler back, we gonna get paid too.
Speaker 2: Right, What does he want to get paid? And that's
Speaker 2: that's that's that's a million dollar question. What does he
Speaker 2: want to get paid? Does it shake up your market?
Speaker 2: Is it something that's comparable and fair? I'm Tyler be
Speaker 2: Oddish is not going in there pounding the table saying
Speaker 2: I want to be the highest paid center in the
Speaker 2: NFL or reset the market with my contract.
Speaker 3: All right, so I come back.
Speaker 2: If he is, then I knew it. Hey, all right,
Speaker 2: behind you, I count this.
Speaker 3: We saw Conner Williams.
Speaker 4: You go to Dolphins and Connor Williams has been been
Speaker 4: a beoutter player at the center position.
Speaker 3: He's a he's a good player.
Speaker 4: But I'm not gonna pay him because I feel if
Speaker 4: you do, and we all, I think we're all in agreement.
Speaker 4: The Cowboys know how to draft offensive live. Yes, we
Speaker 4: talked about this with running backs all the time. Amen,
Speaker 4: just move on. You can do that with a center
Speaker 4: and when he's watching. We have seen where rookies have
Speaker 4: been able to come in and we have seen now
Speaker 4: two guys who were former guards for the Cowboys go
Speaker 4: over the teams to play some.
Speaker 3: Center and do just fine.
Speaker 2: Is that the other Connor went to Buffalo He played
Speaker 2: well too.
Speaker 3: That's so, so he's he's he's a good player.
Speaker 4: But as I'm trying to look and pay these other cela,
Speaker 4: he's not just trying to get.
Speaker 2: A new right. I mean, but you really don't have
Speaker 2: an argument for that, right.
Speaker 3: So he's not just coming in, Hey man, make me
Speaker 3: the average high is paid.
Speaker 2: No, he's coming in strong.
Speaker 4: So that's where as I'm looking to save dollars, Hey,
Speaker 4: hey bro, I gotta go right right, and and that's
Speaker 4: that to me is where you have to That's where
Speaker 4: that's why I'm looking at a guy like Zach Frazer.
Speaker 4: Let me go in the draft to do this. I
Speaker 4: wouldn't be shocked just to see a trade down. Really,
Speaker 4: if you're sitting in one and you think you've got
Speaker 4: several players that you could move if you pick up
Speaker 4: a four because you have a four because of the
Speaker 4: trade lanes deal. So if you can move down pick
Speaker 4: up a three or four, and and also you know,
Speaker 4: get gets get two guys in the in the second round,
Speaker 4: that could be something to think about as you're trying
Speaker 4: to plug holes and pay.
Speaker 3: People and feelings.
Speaker 4: What's the old eighty twenty rule you about to have,
Speaker 4: you know, eighty percent of the roster taken up by
Speaker 4: just a few dudes, So you got to.
Speaker 2: Get I want to know what talk about? We could
Speaker 2: we talking about your picks getting taken in on the
Speaker 2: first round the second round. What is he thinking right now?
Speaker 2: Is it free agency that he has some guys that
Speaker 2: he's looking at, or is it hey man, we need
Speaker 2: to figure this out in the draft because I'm still
Speaker 2: looking at the same thing we've been looking at it
Speaker 2: which one is more important? I know we need to
Speaker 2: show up the run game, but that ain't been our
Speaker 2: problem for the last four years, three years. It's been
Speaker 2: the opposite side of hey man. When teams come in here,
Speaker 2: they know that if they can run the ball on us,
Speaker 2: that we are going to have a hard time beating them.
Speaker 2: And they have been able to consistently run the ball
Speaker 2: on us. So I know, we you know, we want
Speaker 2: the offensive line and all that stuff, and we did
Speaker 2: take a shot at the defensive line last year. So
Speaker 2: hopefully Zima can get his hands on Monzie Smith and
Speaker 2: they could get something figured out. But we like to
Speaker 2: me it is upfront on the defense that is the
Speaker 2: most important.
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Speaker 4: Any based on what you were talking about here before
Speaker 4: the Cowboys, you're looking at them sixteenth overall in Rush
Speaker 4: D last year, so middle of the pack when it
Speaker 4: comes to Rush D. Went back and looked at the
Speaker 4: numbers on the Green Bay game Packers. Thirty three carries,
Speaker 4: one hundred and forty three yards, three touchdowns on the ground. Yes,
Speaker 4: we can talk all day long about other positions, but
Speaker 4: as I see these mock drafts and Cowboys fans getting
Speaker 4: all excited, guys, this thing is being lost for the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: In the playoffs the last three years because of what's.
Speaker 3: Going on in the trenches.
Speaker 2: Of course, we can.
Speaker 4: Talk about Xavier Worthy all day long. Without all these
Speaker 4: receivers all day long, you can't stop anybody in the playoffs. This,
Speaker 4: I mean how they get you can put out of
Speaker 4: the playoffs the last three years by two forty nine
Speaker 4: er teams and the Packers they ran on you and
Speaker 4: you couldn't run on them.
Speaker 2: Well, almost every team that wanted to run on you
Speaker 2: going all the way back to Denver. So I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not just the playoffs. This is this is every game.
Speaker 2: We come in here and we say, hey, man, what
Speaker 2: do the Cowboys need to do to be able to
Speaker 2: win this game convincingly like they should and stop the
Speaker 2: run as always? And we come back in here on
Speaker 2: Monday and we're like, you know what, nine times out
Speaker 2: of ten they have they didn't stop the run like
Speaker 2: we hoped they would, Right, why do we keep ignoring
Speaker 2: this catastrophe on defense? I mean, look, and dan Quayn,
Speaker 2: we trusted, ed, trusted, but there was a point that
Speaker 2: we came to every season where it was like, look,
Speaker 2: our run defense was horrible last season, going just starting
Speaker 2: at Arizona game all the way down against the teams
Speaker 2: that had a forty five run offense. We couldn't compete. Uh,
Speaker 2: and we saw that, and it reminds me like we're
Speaker 2: all fathers here, and you know, if you've ever took
Speaker 2: your child from going from baby food to solid foods,
Speaker 2: it's a transition. And there are some mistakes, some accidents
Speaker 2: that happened that as fathers, we will walk right past
Speaker 2: and let mama hanma those this is, this is this
Speaker 2: reminds me of that problem. Oh, I didn't see that.
Speaker 2: I didn't see that, and we got it and the
Speaker 2: problem is going to persist if we don't correct it.
Speaker 2: And like I've been looking at the looking at the
Speaker 2: comebine and I'm sitting there saying like why why is
Speaker 2: my Because I saw Michael IRV and he was so
Speaker 2: excited about the the Florida state wide receiver and I'm like, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's cool unless it's you know, second third round something
Speaker 2: definitely not first round, because we have to get a
Speaker 2: guy we either a linebacker U three tech. We have
Speaker 2: to get that guy that can just solidify us up front.
Speaker 2: And KNEWI I completely agree with you when you go
Speaker 2: back to the Green Bay tape and you look that
Speaker 2: that was our problem. Nothing. We could not get off
Speaker 2: the field. And I'm looking at these linebackers and I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: I need a good off ball linebacker like the San
Speaker 2: Francisco forty nine windows, either Warner or green Law or
Speaker 2: need enforcer. And I thought to myself, I said, Damn,
Speaker 2: I already got it, mom te. It's Michael Parson's but
Speaker 2: I gotta use him. But I gotta use him at
Speaker 2: defensive end. And so how do I go into this
Speaker 2: saying I need an off ball linebacker, needs something I
Speaker 2: already have on my team. And then that's Zimmers thing
Speaker 2: is how do you use Micah? And when you're going
Speaker 2: out here and you're looking at getting another linebacker, we're
Speaker 2: essentially going to be getting a linebacker that can blitz,
Speaker 2: that can cover that, you know, because that's what you want,
Speaker 2: and that's what you want. You want a guy that
Speaker 2: can get you at least eight blitz, get you at
Speaker 2: least eight sacks from the linebacker position. I got that
Speaker 2: in Micah. So I mean I'm in a situation with
Speaker 2: the position flex that I need as far as the
Speaker 2: linebacker position. Now, I need a guy I need who
Speaker 2: can put the green dot on like I need that
Speaker 2: guy like that guy is usually the difference maker on
Speaker 2: your team, and not just because of his talent or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's because he's the leader out there. A general. Sean
Speaker 2: Lee general type of guy. Warner general type of guy.
Speaker 2: Hey man, when everything going bad, they looking at this
Speaker 2: guy to get him right or to go out there
Speaker 2: and make a play. That's the type of linebacker that
Speaker 2: you need. He needs the talent, he needs to be
Speaker 2: able to cover all that good stuff. He needs to
Speaker 2: have the instincts to be able to shoot gaps. But
Speaker 2: you need a general out there on your defense. And
Speaker 2: until we find one, we're gonna be in the same
Speaker 2: same issues right now, same issues because it is a
Speaker 2: lot of times during the season where sometimes it just
Speaker 2: ain't going right for you. But you gotta have that
Speaker 2: guy where you can look at it and be like, hey man,
Speaker 2: so hey, so what we're doing.
Speaker 3: He then got a guy, Ed Cooper, He's a guy.
Speaker 4: So so when you talk about the combined numbers and
Speaker 4: I didn't spend a whole lot of time there and
Speaker 4: get excited about the unwear Olympics, but you see it
Speaker 4: sweatwards from here, Edrin Cooper A and m there's some
Speaker 4: players there and they've got to figure it out. But
Speaker 4: if you stay in the first round, in my mind,
Speaker 4: you have to address and I should. Yes, we're the
Speaker 4: D line with the front seven. That's what the linebackers
Speaker 4: come in here. And so free agency is gonna hit.
Speaker 4: First draft is in April, so free agency hit for
Speaker 4: and so that that'll be interesting of what what they
Speaker 4: decide to do. But you've got to go ahead and
Speaker 4: address this problem. We also at some point I need
Speaker 4: to get some kind of update on Misie smith.
Speaker 2: Well eating someone because he looks slip he going out there.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Get you some honey buns,
Speaker 2: you know whatever that is raised the flag, put some breaks,
Speaker 2: put some breaks in you probably get them a super Pierce.
Speaker 3: I need to get you an endorsement.
Speaker 2: Talk to don't do that's not the right way. Don't
Speaker 2: the right way. That's not the right way. He needs
Speaker 2: to got to be don't go, don't listen to We're
Speaker 2: gonna be the first plason to come back. Help me
Speaker 2: on the radio. Tell us he saw you in there
Speaker 2: last week walking out ill already ate we're bad.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I got the we too, we too. They've
Speaker 3: they've got to address these things.
Speaker 4: And so for me right now, I'm looking at the
Speaker 4: at the defense in the first round, barring whatever we
Speaker 4: see in free agency, because just for all of our
Speaker 4: cowboy listeners, when you do something in free agency, you're
Speaker 4: normally not going to do that same thing in the draft,
Speaker 4: usually not going to double up there.
Speaker 3: But they've got they've got to address it.
Speaker 4: That's one good thing about Zimmer. We know zimmer Wall
Speaker 4: Zimmer likes to be stout upfront, and he likes his linebackers.
Speaker 3: He likes his linebackers. So that's got to be addressed.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: It's it's just it's been too far gone. You didn't
Speaker 4: try to escape too many times.
Speaker 2: You can't I ask. I'm really and the thought also
Speaker 2: as we talk about our deficiencies in the defensive line
Speaker 2: the running back position is so much has changed in
Speaker 2: the in the climate of the football where now no
Speaker 2: one goes into the first round talking about picking up
Speaker 2: a running back anymore. So, uh, second, third, fourth round
Speaker 2: is where you're looking to pick up a running back.
Speaker 2: I think we have to address that. I really do.
Speaker 2: I really I feel like coming into the season even
Speaker 2: last season after Tony Poler got injured. You saw it, man,
Speaker 2: our running game was pretty much like you know, dead
Speaker 2: in the water. There's nothing we could do in San Francisco,
Speaker 2: and even against Green Bay we didn't have a chance
Speaker 2: because we could not run the ball first sim and
Speaker 2: then obviously we got too far behind that running the
Speaker 2: ball was senseless. But we have to address that.
Speaker 3: I agree with you. I think we're all in agreement there.
Speaker 3: The Cowboys have done a good job.
Speaker 4: When you talk about drafting running backs. Me, Tony Fouk
Speaker 4: was taking in the fourth round. He did a good job.
Speaker 4: And me, you think about where they took Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 4: and what he helped do this franchise. They've made some
Speaker 4: smart choices in the draft with these running backs.
Speaker 3: I trust them to go out and get to get someone.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 4: And you hear Mike McCarthy tell the Beat writers he'd
Speaker 4: like to have Tony Poller back. I wouldn't mind Tony
Speaker 4: Poller back. You need some help around it. Don't ask
Speaker 4: him to carry the load.
Speaker 3: But I can see it they got that one kid out.
Speaker 4: In order to good football player, you take a kid
Speaker 4: like that along with Tony Pollard. Now you got two
Speaker 4: guys out here who could do a little something for you.
Speaker 4: I think that's easy to me. I think that's easy.
Speaker 2: How many picks to the Cowboys having this draft? And no,
Speaker 2: don't have the four before.
Speaker 4: I think he gave up five for Cooks. But you've
Speaker 4: got I got to go back and check this, because
Speaker 4: we look, we love We're talking about offensive line, were
Speaker 4: talking about defensive line.
Speaker 5: We talk about the second level for for linebackers, and
Speaker 5: let's not mistake the secondary. Gilly's a free agent, if
Speaker 5: I'm not mistaken. So is George Lewis as well, if
Speaker 5: I'm not mistaken. And there's a lot of holes that.
Speaker 2: This team needs to fill out. And the cap. We
Speaker 2: still ain't even look at the cap situation right now.
Speaker 4: Which is why I talked about Trey down here. Okay,
Speaker 4: so here they have five picks right now. So you
Speaker 4: got a first round pick number twenty four, second round
Speaker 4: pick number fifty eight, third round pick at eighty seven,
Speaker 4: and then you have two seventh round picks.
Speaker 3: So you do not have a four or five or six.
Speaker 2: Oh goodness, man, That's what I'm like, hold on, And.
Speaker 4: That's where a trade down is something you could think
Speaker 4: think about here out of the first round to try
Speaker 4: to recoup some more picks to get some some other.
Speaker 2: Players, and legit, we're talking about free agency.
Speaker 5: You've got first, second, third, sleep. Yeah, this is CD's
Speaker 5: fifth year, right, it's gonna be his his franchise. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but I don't I don't. I don't know, man, I
Speaker 5: don't see him coming in to go play with U.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like, I'm good with this.
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's where I said.
Speaker 4: You know, paying a badish and paying a smith is
Speaker 4: really not there. I've got you've got to take care
Speaker 4: of eighty eight and four. Those are going to be
Speaker 4: monster deals. Those are going to be huge contracts.
Speaker 3: CD Lamb is.
Speaker 4: Most likely going to be, if not the highest paid,
Speaker 4: the top three average salard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's.
Speaker 4: So you've got that, and you've got Prescott and you know,
Speaker 4: we've heard if Joe Burrow got fifty five and Herbert
Speaker 4: got fifty two, So start thinking there at minimum, your
Speaker 4: guy is getting fifty two minimum minimum.
Speaker 2: Wow, this is it's a tough it's a pickle. But
Speaker 2: they've been knowing that they had this situation coming for
Speaker 2: a very long time. You could have negotiated redone those deals,
Speaker 2: and we've waited till the eleventh hour. So that who
Speaker 2: do you put the who do you put the fault on?
Speaker 2: The elephant in the the elephant in the room. The
Speaker 2: elephant in the room is Dak in CD's contract. And
Speaker 2: Dak isn't I mean, he's gone radio silid. Basically, I
Speaker 2: guess we saw him with the goatee the other day,
Speaker 2: but we hadn't seen that. We hadn't seen that, so
Speaker 2: we don't know anything from what he's asking for. What's
Speaker 2: going on with that? We know, we know CD, we
Speaker 2: know CD. After seeing Mike Evans, I thought that was
Speaker 2: a different person. I ain't gonna lie. I thought it
Speaker 2: was fake. I thought think I was like that, ain't
Speaker 2: you know I have to look at the thing at
Speaker 2: the bottom those black statutes. NA, that's when you when
Speaker 2: you when the video game and that like create your
Speaker 2: character to start off with. Don't do my quarterback like that?
Speaker 2: Look you used to see it a certain way. He
Speaker 2: looked different. I did not think that. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: it look bad. That's not my looked different. And so
Speaker 2: he's gonna reset the market. He's gonna reset the market
Speaker 2: he's gonna be the highest one of the highest paid
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the league and for have a long uh
Speaker 2: that's coming this way and you can't. And the thing
Speaker 2: is that, I guess if you look at it from
Speaker 2: a negotiation standpoint with with do they go to the
Speaker 2: negotiating table with CD, like most Fortune one hundred companies
Speaker 2: do with their employees and say you aren't what we
Speaker 2: thought you were and you're gonna take that. No, they're
Speaker 2: gonna talk to him as far as the top paid
Speaker 2: guys in the league. So now you're paying not only
Speaker 2: the lion's share to your quarterback, but also to your
Speaker 2: wide receiver. And don't look. Now you probably have a
Speaker 2: resetting of the market defense in all of defense with
Speaker 2: Michael Parsons being the highest paid defensive player ever when
Speaker 2: it comes down to his contract.
Speaker 3: So that means that means somebody got to thank you
Speaker 3: by this.
Speaker 2: So hey did start these conversations with CD last year. Also,
Speaker 2: I don't know about that when they were listening to
Speaker 2: the thirteen hundred yard projections man.
Speaker 3: Franchise right now, it's to let it's like they did
Speaker 3: with Tank and Dak. They did it again.
Speaker 4: A wide receiver franchise tag is basically twenty two million dollars,
Speaker 4: so twenty six that God, you know.
Speaker 3: That, that's that. This is the market.
Speaker 2: This is the market.
Speaker 4: So somewhere along the way you're going to have to
Speaker 4: try to save dollars to make these two deals happen.
Speaker 3: And why haven't you heard for Dak Prescott. It's real simple.
Speaker 3: When you have all the leverage, the best thing you
Speaker 3: can do is say nothing, give nothing away. Because this
Speaker 3: man has all the leverage.
Speaker 4: You got to pay me sixty million either way, have
Speaker 4: to Why would I say one thing to anybody.
Speaker 2: I'm just sitting there thinking about all them times on
Speaker 2: us sign playing on them franchise. Oh he hot, he not.
Speaker 2: I mean he's not giving an inch. He's not giving
Speaker 2: an inch. You don't forget you have to. But playing
Speaker 2: the devil's advocate. What if what if the organization is saying, fine,
Speaker 2: I pay you, well paid a sixty because he has
Speaker 2: a no trade clause. He has a no trade clause,
Speaker 2: any of that in there, and you can get get
Speaker 2: completely out of this deal whole. Next year, I.
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Speaker 4: So Hetna was speaking about Dak Prescott and why Dak
Speaker 4: if they say if they tell that, we'll do fine,
Speaker 4: We'll let you play fifty nine million, and Dak says,
Speaker 4: go ahead. You can't improve your football team. You what
Speaker 4: you want to do is sign into a contract and
Speaker 4: then that first year, well he's making like two million
Speaker 4: dollars because you put all the money into a signing bus.
Speaker 4: That's how you work the cap and you make it
Speaker 4: and you and you get to sign other people. So
Speaker 4: it is in their best interest. And the way they
Speaker 4: set up the contract, they basically put themselves in the
Speaker 4: position that they have to get something done with it to.
Speaker 2: Improve the I think it's imperative that they get the
Speaker 2: deal done for all of those reasons. If you let
Speaker 2: him play on that and he comes in and you
Speaker 2: can't improve the team, he looks horrible. He didn't have
Speaker 2: any pieces around him, didn't have you know, other guys,
Speaker 2: you're not able to improve your offensive line. I think
Speaker 2: all of those things does not bold well. They're tied
Speaker 2: at the hip in this situation if you look at
Speaker 2: Dak and the organization. So but like I said, we
Speaker 2: hadn't heard anything from Dak because he has all the leverage.
Speaker 2: He wants his money to me, the Cowboys should definitely
Speaker 2: make sure that they get that done because you're only
Speaker 2: a few players away. I feel like you're getting to
Speaker 2: this level and you're only a few Come on, guys, now, lord, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 2: Let me say something. If you paid Dak sixty and
Speaker 2: this is you pay Dak sixty, he go out there
Speaker 2: and have a year in trouble, you're gonna pay him anyways,
Speaker 2: Well you're gonna let him go after that. Years all,
Speaker 2: we paid you sixty because you know whatever, And then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you have a year. Now you're
Speaker 2: finna go out there and paying fifty five the next year. Anyway,
Speaker 2: you're gonna get it. And and I think in the
Speaker 2: organization's mind they believe that we will go as far
Speaker 2: as that Dak Prescott is gonna take us. I don't
Speaker 2: see them looking at next year being a year where
Speaker 2: you don't have Dak Prescott. So I see them paying
Speaker 2: I see them paying a guy. How many players are
Speaker 2: we away from the NFC Championship game? Guys we're talking
Speaker 2: about say twenty ye? Man, why y'all doing this? Man? Twelve?
Speaker 2: Think about how many guys you had this year? How
Speaker 2: many guys that you have on the squad this year.
Speaker 2: We were sitting there saying, Okay, we got Cooks, we
Speaker 2: got Gilmore, we got this, that, that that that, And
Speaker 2: then we come out of see and say, you know, man,
Speaker 2: we need offensive line, defensive line, linebacker, running back. You
Speaker 2: need you need to.
Speaker 4: Running backs free agent right now. So you need to dudes,
Speaker 4: because right now the guys you got can he sold,
Speaker 4: you sold. Let's you need to run. You need to dudes,
Speaker 4: uh your center? He free agent, probably gonna lose left tackle,
Speaker 4: at least.
Speaker 2: Two linebackers, interior, the slock corner, lose free agent Gilly.
Speaker 2: And it's my understanding that every team in the NFL
Speaker 2: has these same set of issues. You can even go
Speaker 2: to the Kansas City Chiefs and start going down your
Speaker 2: fingers and saying what they're losing. I'm telling you right now,
Speaker 2: with the team that you have, where you got in
Speaker 2: this season to even being close to winning the NFC,
Speaker 2: come on, guys, come on, guys. Don't don't tell me
Speaker 2: that we are twenty players away from from winning the championship.
Speaker 2: I said nine, look at you, guys. Yeah, I need that,
Speaker 2: but you need at least six. Sure, God, you need
Speaker 2: not bridge not bridge players, like a guy to bring
Speaker 2: in it like, because that's what you would You consider
Speaker 2: Gilly to be the bridge player that you because you
Speaker 2: were he was a bridge player, I believe, okay, And
Speaker 2: for me, you.
Speaker 4: Think with Gilly is we're assuming Diggs is going to
Speaker 4: come back, but we don't know how he comes back.
Speaker 4: When does it happen? When is he gonna feel like
Speaker 4: he used to be. He fe the leadership that he
Speaker 4: brings the Gilly's broads as well. I mean, there's there's
Speaker 4: there's some issues there right now that I'm looking at.
Speaker 4: And look, I was Imitt and Troy over the weekend. Man,
Speaker 4: Emmy is hot. He's still mad about this.
Speaker 2: Team, still about this team because he mad. I've seen
Speaker 2: him put Florida to about the d man.
Speaker 4: He not playing, but that the client the culture, that's
Speaker 4: another thing you bring us. What about this culture of
Speaker 4: dudes act like they've won something here? We have not
Speaker 4: seen them come through when they needed to come through.
Speaker 4: And I don't even know how many people are pained
Speaker 4: by what's been happening.
Speaker 3: With these exits.
Speaker 4: So I just think there's there, there's there are some
Speaker 4: players away, and then there's a culture shift of.
Speaker 3: How many people want to play and just be cowboys
Speaker 3: and want to actually go out.
Speaker 4: Head and win some games and hate losing. There's stuff here, man,
Speaker 4: because it's been this way. I mean, think about it,
Speaker 4: super Bowl thirty.
Speaker 2: Do that here?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Brush, I didn't have children, right, I mean these
Speaker 4: dudes are what elementary.
Speaker 2: School he was watching?
Speaker 3: He was washing stone coolers, right, think about that? So
Speaker 3: there's problems here.
Speaker 2: Man, there's there's sevenths and that is not cool.
Speaker 4: But the whole premier, the premise of three twelve win seasons.
Speaker 4: If you're just going throughout the league, the regression comes.
Speaker 4: It's hard to have, you know, four of these in
Speaker 4: a row.
Speaker 3: It's hard. The league is not made for you to
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 2: And when you when you go back to the success
Speaker 2: that Kansas City is having, it's because you look at
Speaker 2: a Patrick Mahomes you say, look, he is the lynch
Speaker 2: Pian of everything. And Andy Reid. They have a system
Speaker 2: that is unbeatable. They figured out a way to get
Speaker 2: through the regular season, which was the worst regular season
Speaker 2: that they had, and was able to roll through the playoffs.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at this Cowboys team and just saying, look,
Speaker 2: there's so many other things that we need to build around.
Speaker 2: We didn't have the running game that we needed to
Speaker 2: get through those points in the season where we absolutely
Speaker 2: needed our running game to come through. Secondary wise, I'm
Speaker 2: with you, Like Marquise Bell to me as a linebacker,
Speaker 2: he's going to be the guy that's going to move
Speaker 2: out to safety. I don't know if we're going to
Speaker 2: resign curse. He's been and he even played for zimmer
Speaker 2: So we don't know how that's going to go. I
Speaker 2: think you have some of the pieces here, but I'm
Speaker 2: making that point to say, as you look around the
Speaker 2: league and you look at teams like Buffalo, the teams
Speaker 2: that you think are going to be in contention, they
Speaker 2: don't have all the pieces. And so I don't expect
Speaker 2: for this to be perfect in the end that we
Speaker 2: have a guy at each position, but I don't feel
Speaker 2: like we are nine players away.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, that's.
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