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Speaker 1: And wellcome on to Lake Kick is Live.

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Speaker 2: It is Thursday, August thirty, first year of our lower

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, Virginia pay hiatap Basically everyone, it's the

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Speaker 2: highest altitude we've ever done. The show at Breath is short,

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Speaker 2: thoughts are long. I got a lot to talk to

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Speaker 2: you guys about. As you can clearly see, this is

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Speaker 2: not a green screen, this is not a virtual background.

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Speaker 2: We were live in Rice Echele Stadium, Florida, Utah in

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Speaker 2: a matter of hours. But we've already broken that game down.

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Speaker 2: This is not gonna be a Florida Utah special. It's

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Speaker 2: a week one special. Dare I say it's just a

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Speaker 2: celebration of life, because college football is life for us.

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Speaker 2: But you know what people are doing. They're lying to you.

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Speaker 2: They're doing it again, They're lying. The myths are out there,

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Speaker 2: so we're just gonna bat them like a pinata. To

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Speaker 2: start the show, I got a Clemson Duke breakdown for you.

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Speaker 2: That's that standalone Labor Day night special. I got shut

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Speaker 2: up a few months ago because you guys said I

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Speaker 2: was talking too much about a potential upset on Monday Night. Well,

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Speaker 2: now it's time to actually break the game down. So

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I think and what the model thinks.

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Speaker 2: I have got Cole Cube Lake. As I said inexplicably

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Speaker 2: on the show today, you guys asked for it, and

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Speaker 2: so I'm nothing if not selfless. I put my thoughts

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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna have what you want to call Cole

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Speaker 2: cuts and I wanted to call Cube steak. Later in

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Speaker 2: the show, we are jam packed. I am happy to

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Speaker 2: say they're watching us in Ogden, Utah. They're obviously watching

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Speaker 2: this in Salt Lake City, Utah, Scottsdale, not to be

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Speaker 2: confused with Phoenix watching US, Los Angeles, California watching US.

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Speaker 2: And of course they're tuning into Fortune Georgia. Why would

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Speaker 2: they not be. We're well over two hundred thousand subs

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Speaker 2: on the channel. But I want to remind you guys

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Speaker 2: of something we never rest. So the fight is on

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Speaker 2: to three hundred thousand. But in the meantime, Sunday night,

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Speaker 2: because we've got LSUFSU Sunday night, we're gonna be back

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Speaker 2: in Nashville. We're gonna do the show six eastern, five Central.

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Speaker 2: Give you time to write that down. Okay, let's get

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Speaker 2: into the show. I want to talk to you guys

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Speaker 2: about well, I want to talk to you about Live

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Speaker 2: Little Eyes was my first favorite song by Fleetwood Mac.

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Speaker 2: But big lies out there, big lies about college football.

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Speaker 2: So Colin, here's a really good endpoint for you. I

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Speaker 2: asked you, guys, as I was on my flight out

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Speaker 2: biggest myths are.

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Speaker 1: Floating around about this sport? Floating around about.

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty three because I had someone on my mind. Fortunately,

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Speaker 2: like your thoughts and my thoughts really overlapped.

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Speaker 1: So let's just go through these a little bit.

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Speaker 2: And the first one I wanted to hit because it

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Speaker 2: came to me in thirty seven different flavors, was Texas

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Speaker 2: is gonna underachieve because of the past, Like because of

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Speaker 2: what they didn't do under Tom Herman or Charlie Strong

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Speaker 2: or Hoopstever, Texas will underachieve. It's the whole cannot versus

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Speaker 2: have not think. Listen, if Texas falls flat again this year,

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Speaker 2: and I don't think they will, I've predicted them to

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Speaker 2: do big things. But if they fall flat again this year,

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Speaker 2: it'll just be because Texas wasn't good enough this year,

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Speaker 2: it will not be because there's something there's some shackle

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Speaker 2: that's false. That's a myth, and you just need to

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Speaker 1: Think about it.

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Speaker 2: If that's where your head's at, if you don't think

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Speaker 1: Turning around his game. If you believe these sorts of things.

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Speaker 2: Then okay, maybe Texas is not back, but if they're

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Speaker 1: Depend on the past. Next myth.

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Speaker 2: I think we did a pretty thorough dissection of that one.

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Speaker 2: it's really evergreen when they try and tell you that

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Speaker 1: Don't hang out with those people. You don't have to

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Speaker 2: Okay, you don't have to maybe ostracize them or out

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Speaker 2: The old marketing campaign that the network that's broadcasting this

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Speaker 2: Like you can get physical with them. But that's a lie.

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Speaker 2: That's a lie.

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Speaker 1: I told you.

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Speaker 2: Guys, once upon a time, once upon a Saturday, as

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Speaker 2: This is a this is a myth that will step

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Speaker 1: Like we're on the precipice of week one.

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Speaker 2: It's not week nine. The damage has not been done.

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Speaker 2: So let's just think about it. Let's think about how

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Speaker 2: Paul Finbaum, said that Nick Saban's legacy is on the

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Speaker 1: That's a myth.

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Speaker 2: If that was said, If that's the context, we have

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Speaker 1: That's kind of a myth. Saban could go to twelve

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Speaker 2: In fact, it would take off the Field scandal at

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Speaker 2: this point for Nick Saban's legacy to be unraveled. There's

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Speaker 2: Like that guy's put together decades now of a career

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Speaker 2: Like if you've got someone who is built up just

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Speaker 1: And then they have one bad day with you and Ellis.

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about like a cad aclysmic bad dam.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying they're rude to you one day. Do

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Speaker 2: that much to begin with. Nick Saban's legacy is cemented.

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Speaker 2: When I was a youth down in the South, I

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Speaker 2: We get to cover Nick Saban's Alabama. That legacy set.

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Speaker 2: It's set for me, except for you, it's even set

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Speaker 1: As of this moment, Gelby.

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Speaker 2: Quinn, I don't think we have breaking news out of

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Speaker 2: inexcusable that that we got that far, slash have gotten

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Speaker 2: it actually is. For some of us, we actually do

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Speaker 2: love to learn the names of the true freshmen. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: to celebrate the accomplishments of football players on a football field.

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Speaker 2: For other people, it's a business, and that's okay if

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Speaker 2: more than your scholarship and they tell you how we're

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Speaker 1: Your current media rights deal.

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Speaker 2: And again, that's okay if you're upfront about it. We

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Speaker 2: the NCAA, and I don't see an entity doing more

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Speaker 2: damage to the fabric of the student athlete or standing

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Speaker 1: Not about the kids, never been about the kids.

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Speaker 2: It's just there been a little bit more upfront about

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Speaker 2: Ryan Day's job is not in jeopardy people. There's a

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Speaker 1: Boom you covered. That's the kind of game we could see.

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Speaker 2: I just think they're gonna throttle it Duke's offense down

434
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Speaker 2: too much, So I'm gonna take Clemson to win. I'm

435
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Speaker 2: gonna take Clemson to cover. And I feel pretty good

436
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Speaker 2: about it, so much so that we put it in

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Speaker 2: the Ramannudle Express. Choot you for cash, Cheot you for cash.

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Speaker 1: T shirt, Yeah, okay, T shirt idea.

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Speaker 2: Friday Night Lines is back tomorrow night. I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: fit as many reminders in the show as I can.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna be very, very mysterious. It's gonna be heads

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Speaker 2: up about an hour before. It's gonna be on Instagram

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Speaker 2: Live only. It'll be it'll be me and the ie

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Speaker 2: Josh and you from my hotel room an address I

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Speaker 2: can't get it out on air, and we'll just talk

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Speaker 2: about the lines that you want to know about. I'll

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Speaker 2: have the model pulled up. I tested the internet. It's

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Speaker 2: working great, and we'll try and win some money. But

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Speaker 2: in the meantime, let's talk about the Roman Nooddle Express.

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Speaker 2: So we already put several games on this thing, and

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Speaker 2: I may add one or two more on Friday night lines,

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Speaker 2: but let's make sure that we have everything up to date. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So we're on Arkansas State plus thirty five and a

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Speaker 2: half against Oklahoma. We're on Clemson minus twelve and a

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Speaker 2: half against Duke at home, we're taking Akron plus ten.

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Speaker 2: I don't really feel like I need an explanation for that.

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Speaker 2: You don't know Acron's players anyway, Just trust the model.

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Speaker 2: TCU minus twenty and a half. We think they're going

480
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Speaker 2: to kind of sort of more than likely roll over Colorado.

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Speaker 2: We're adding another game, and I don't know that we

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Speaker 2: have ever placed our shekels on this guy's team. We're

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Speaker 2: taking Houston plus two numbers moved across zero. By the way,

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Speaker 2: they are playing UTSA. I think everybody, mainly because the

485
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Speaker 2: mascot's a road Runner, loves UTSA. This week, we're gonna

486
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Speaker 2: actually take Dana Holgerson in Houston. I'm not gonna do

487
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Speaker 2: the go Kog's hand signal because I know some of

488
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Speaker 2: you will screen grab it and use it for ulterior purposes.

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Speaker 2: But we are going to take Houston, so we're putting

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Speaker 2: them on there Arkansas State, Clemson, Akron, TCU, and Houston

491
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Speaker 2: now and coming every Thursday henceforth. Good friend of the program,

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Speaker 2: Cole Kubrick Cube Show on YouTube if you want, you

493
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Speaker 2: want to check out his channel is gonna join us,

494
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Speaker 2: and I never know what we're gonna talk about. It'll

495
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Speaker 2: normally be day of We recorded this yesterday, but it's

496
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Speaker 2: some good stuff. You haven't seen any of it. So

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Speaker 2: here is Cole Kublick and our conversation. I appreciate you

498
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Speaker 2: guys joining us from Utah. Take care, enjoy the game tonight.

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Speaker 2: Here's myself and Cole. Thanks Josh from Utah. And somehow

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Speaker 2: I look like I'm not in Utah. I'm in a

501
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Speaker 2: Nashville studio. Here, cublic is here, Cole Kublick is here.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna do this thing every Thursday. And you saw,

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Speaker 2: you saw, sir. I took this to the public and

504
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Speaker 2: I gave him a vote because I am not a dictator.

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Speaker 2: Contrary to what gets set around this place all the time.

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Speaker 2: I wanted this to be called cube Steak Cubes Space

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Speaker 2: take to play on Cube Steak.

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Speaker 1: It works well in the South.

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Speaker 2: I thought people voted it down in overwhelming numbers they

510
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Speaker 2: wanted to be called cold cuts.

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Speaker 1: Are you happy with it?

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Speaker 3: I am, because let's be real, Josh, college football is

513
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Speaker 3: driven by graphics currently, So if you don't have a

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Speaker 3: graphic for something, I don't deem it as to be real.

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Speaker 3: Just like your conference predictions the other day, I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: even have thought that you made those, But then all

517
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Speaker 3: of a sudden, here comes the two four to seven graphic.

518
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Speaker 3: Josh actually made his picks, so I'll be expecting a

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Speaker 3: birthday graphic from you as well.

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Speaker 4: We already had that made for the Saturday night game.

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Speaker 3: We did it one year and then they ask candidate

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Speaker 3: and so we're bringing it back cold cuts.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 3: I feel like if you would have given in that description,

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Speaker 3: though with the Twitter pool, it may have gone a

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Speaker 3: little bit more of your direction. Yeah, I just don't

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Speaker 3: feel like people followed it the way that you wanted

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Speaker 3: them to.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not against putting my hands on the scale.

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Speaker 2: I do it all the time around here, actually, But also,

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Speaker 2: I mean you're saying like you got to have a graphic.

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Speaker 2: So that's like if someone out there wants to put

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Speaker 2: Colorado when they're top fifteen, you got to put in

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Speaker 2: a graphic and it's all of a sudden real, they're

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Speaker 2: really a top fifteen team, that's what you're telling me.

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Speaker 4: Correct Or if.

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Speaker 3: Your coach is recruiting in a state that your school's

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Speaker 3: not located in graphic, we're recruiting the great state of

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Speaker 3: You're in Utah now, so I would imagine you'd have

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Speaker 3: some mountain landscapes, maybe a snowskier with the goggles on.

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Speaker 3: Or if you know, if it's a kid's birthday on

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Speaker 3: your team, even if he's the third string walk on

543
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Speaker 3: long snapper, he gets a graphic that says it's his birthday.

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Speaker 3: You know, when fall practice begins and a guy actually

545
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Speaker 3: shows up for practice graphic Josh Pate at practice today.

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Speaker 3: It's not real in college football unless it's a graphic. No,

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Speaker 3: that's a real word, but we're going to try to

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Speaker 3: use it.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever thought about making a graphic for your

550
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Speaker 2: podcast so that it will actually exist for some people?

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Speaker 4: Do I even have a podcast? Is the real question.

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Speaker 3: I much rather go by that guy who may be

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Speaker 3: on television or may not, or may have played in

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Speaker 3: the SEC or may not. I just I kind of

555
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Speaker 3: like being that guy who may or may not.

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Speaker 4: Do certain things right.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So now that thirteen inside jokes are out of

558
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Speaker 2: the way for the mass audience, let's talk about it.

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Speaker 4: To the record.

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Speaker 3: I'm not the one that doesn't have Georgia winning the

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Speaker 3: National Championship. So I feel like I have a new

562
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Speaker 3: found freedom for being criticized on said show, and I'm

563
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Speaker 3: gonna allow you to take.

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Speaker 1: Over for that.

565
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Speaker 2: I'm the one in prison. Now visit me on Tuesdays

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Speaker 2: and Thursdays please. So since I don't have Georgia winning

567
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Speaker 2: the title, I don't have them winning the SEC, I've

568
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Speaker 2: got Alabama winning the SEC, and then I want it

569
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Speaker 2: to be noted in the order of history. You came

570
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Speaker 2: in behind me and predicted Alabama to win the SEC,

571
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Speaker 2: and that's how my journal will remember it. Why do

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Speaker 2: we believe in Alabama? Because there are detractors, even in

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Speaker 2: my building, even on my staff, there are detrait actors

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Speaker 2: who say this style of ball is not gonna do

575
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Speaker 2: it in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: I got thoughts.

577
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Speaker 2: I think elite talent can still play any way it

578
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Speaker 2: wants to and win if it executes.

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Speaker 1: What do you say, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The execution part of that is critical, and there is

581
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Speaker 3: this mindset you join my radio show with McElroy, even

582
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Speaker 3: though he wasn't there last week, and we talked about

583
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Speaker 3: this that for some reason, people just think that that

584
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 3: style of football just can't work or be applicable anymore.

585
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Speaker 3: I actually think that what it can do, if executed properly,

586
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 3: can make some of those other things that you would

587
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Speaker 3: like to do easier to accomplish. Play action, throwing the football, bootleg,

588
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 3: quarterback runs off of certain runs that you have. Now

589
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 3: you're going to have to have a certain set of

590
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Speaker 3: skill and a certain type of player to be able

591
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Speaker 3: to go out and do that. And I go back

592
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Speaker 3: to Alabima last year, the last two three years, just

593
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Speaker 3: how quarterback centric they were. And I'll give you a

594
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Speaker 3: perfect example, Josh greg and I had a guy tweeted

595
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Speaker 3: into the show today. He's like, Hey, Clay Alburn fan, here,

596
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: how come y'all think with the same offensive line and

597
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 3: the same offense Alabama just go figure out how to

598
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Speaker 3: run it this year? Well, it's number one, not the

599
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 3: same offensive line. And I look at this in a

600
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Speaker 3: very similar way that I did to Joe Burrow from

601
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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen. Joe Burrow didn't just get

602
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: that much better. That's not what happened. Joe Burrow was

603
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Speaker 3: given different opportunities through a different offense to prove how

604
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Speaker 3: good he was at certain things.

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Speaker 4: And you see that Alabam offensive line right there.

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Speaker 3: I think they are going to be given a different

607
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Speaker 3: opportunity this year through Tommy Reese, and that opportunity is

608
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Speaker 3: Josh's essentially going to be hey, run duo and then

609
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 3: they actually run it or counter and then they actually

610
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Speaker 3: run it instead of maybe calling a run play twenty

611
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 3: twenty five thirty times a game and that turns into

612
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Speaker 3: a slant, or that turns into a go ball, or

613
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 3: that turns into a hitch.

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Speaker 4: Not being a.

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Speaker 3: Quarterback centric means more dedication to the run game. And

616
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Speaker 3: I think the opportunity for the album offensive line, the

617
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 3: tight ends, the running backs to go out and prove

618
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 3: that type of football can still be applicable. And when

619
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Speaker 3: you look at a lot of the tempo based offenses,

620
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 3: one thing that does happen occasionally is they sort of

621
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 3: run into a wall with the new clock rules. An

622
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 3: offense that maybe gives you a couple three and outs,

623
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Speaker 3: now all of a sudden, your possessions are shaved in half.

624
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Speaker 3: If not by more. You better make those two or

625
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 3: three possessions count that you actually have, not including the

626
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 3: ones that you had been getting for the last five

627
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Speaker 3: to eight years.

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Speaker 2: The Borough point's good because it's like an inverse in

629
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Speaker 2: the direction twenty eighteen LSU versus twenty nineteen LSU, Well

630
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two versus twenty three Alabama. Those offenses may

631
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 2: be going in different directions, but you're still talking about

632
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 2: doing something your best equipped to do and doing it

633
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Speaker 2: at a high level.

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Speaker 1: I remember that, though that's not that long ago. So

635
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: everyone was looking at Burrow in LSU.

636
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Speaker 2: Remember BAMA went down there and shut them out in

637
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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, shut them out. I remember being at the game,

638
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: and so in twenty nineteen people are shocked that how

639
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 2: did this player, how did this offense that got shot

640
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 2: out last year? How are they all of a sudden

641
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 2: this Well, the answer is very simple. Sometimes you don't

642
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: need to overthink the room.

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Speaker 1: You just said it.

644
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 2: It's not it's the same human, like if you test

645
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: his DNA, it is the same guy, but the same offense.

646
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. Here's what people can't get their mind around.

647
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: So you and I both feel the same way about

648
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 2: what this offensive line will be this year.

649
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: It's the entire key.

650
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: I think that in the secondary, to me, is the

651
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 2: entire key behind everything I predict Alabama to do. There

652
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: are flat out folks who because some of this personnel

653
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: was there last year and they were in the one

654
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: hundreds in whatever advanced metric you want to circle, there's

655
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: no way they could be dominant this year.

656
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: You played that position. Why can they be dominant this year.

657
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 3: Let's start with mindset and let's take a couple of

658
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 3: the individuals. Tommy Brockenmeier is at TCU, Amari Kai is out,

659
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: Damian George is out, Taytor Bowls is out. I think

660
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 3: there were a lot of guys Josh that kind have

661
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 3: had a feeling of where they were going to go

662
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 3: and what they wanted to be, and either they self

663
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 3: policed it in that room, or coach Saban had something

664
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: to do with it, or Eric Woolford had something to

665
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 3: do with it. Basically saying, if you don't want to

666
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 3: be this kind of guy, if you don't want to

667
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 3: be this kind of individual and you're not built for this,

668
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 3: kick rocks to go find somewhere else to play football,

669
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: because we're coming back next year, and by God, this

670
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 3: is who we're going to be. Look at some of

671
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: the things that Tyler Booker has been saying this offseason,

672
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 3: that JC Latham has been saying this offseason.

673
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 4: Jac you've visited with him immediate days, just like I did.

674
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 3: They cannot escape telling people how they want to dominate,

675
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 3: telling people how they want to go push them around,

676
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: play bullyball, play murder ball. Hell, you even got the

677
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: guys on defense that are talking about how the guys

678
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: offensively want to go play the style of football again.

679
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 3: So I think even though it's the same guys, their

680
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 3: mentality has sort of taken over. You can't be someone

681
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 3: who comes in the room that's not a starter, that's

682
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 3: not projected to be someone that gets meaningful snaps and

683
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 3: in act yourself on everybody else. And I think as

684
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: Tyler Booker went on last year and as lath Than

685
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: went on last year, they became those guys in that room.

686
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 3: So now they can step up to the front of

687
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: the room and say this is who we.

688
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 4: Are, this is what we're going to be.

689
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: You know, certain guys don't like it, they leave that room,

690
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 3: and if everybody else doesn't get on board, they're not

691
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 3: going to be a part of what that offense is

692
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 3: going to do. So I think it was a little

693
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 3: bit collective. But I also think just because you say

694
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 3: Tyler Booker was on that team last year, he wasn't

695
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: a dedicated starter going in week one.

696
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 4: We didn't talk about him last year like we are

697
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 4: this year.

698
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 3: You look at the extra tight ends they're going to have,

699
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 3: and just that mentality of saying, hey, guess what we're

700
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 3: calling a run play here, and there's absolutely no chance

701
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: our quarterback's gonna pull it and throw a slant or

702
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 3: run around or go find a pop pass to throw

703
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: it to.

704
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: It's gonna be interesting to see because if that's right,

705
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: that's the style of play that maybe early in the

706
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: season makes you look at it and say, this team's

707
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: gonna win a title. It's the kind of teams sometimes

708
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: that you sell on in September only to buy back

709
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: in November. But radical change, man, radical change. Okay, So

710
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: I wanted to go to the ACC for a second

711
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 2: because you and I were talking about this the other day.

712
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: We talked about it a little bit when I was

713
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: on with you the other day. Clemson has won i

714
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: think seven of eight ACC championships they're the favorite every year.

715
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: They are the slight favorite again this year. That's the keyword, slight.

716
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: So Florida State's in the mix. To me, one of

717
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: the biggest stories in college football when people talk about

718
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: the lack of competitive balance over the last few years,

719
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: has been number one teams in Florida, California and Texas

720
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: haven't really secured their own recruiting state number two. No

721
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: one has stepped up in the ACC and so you

722
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: just allowed statistically the second most talent rich conference in

723
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: America to be dominated by one team for an extended

724
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: period of time. No excuse for it. Miami's been bad,

725
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: Florida State has been bad. There is horrific football being

726
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: played in the state of Virginia with no end in sight.

727
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: And so you've just got Clemson saying, well, if no

728
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: one else is going to do it, we're going to

729
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: do it. So this year you got Florida State, I hope,

730
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: for the conference's sake, kind of at the table. But like,

731
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: how wild has it been that no one has stepped up,

732
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: not for one or two or three years, but there

733
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: was a call put out We're going to play dominant football,

734
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: which normally is a tide that raises all boats, and

735
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: instead every boat just sank in the conference and just

736
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: rested at the bottom of the bay.

737
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 3: There was this diabolical college football analyst that picked in

738
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: C State to go to the playoff one year, But

739
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: there's no need in revisiting that. I don't think we

740
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: should even discuss it here on the show. However, I

741
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: think there's a couple of things that play here. And

742
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 3: you know the recruiting landscape a little bit better than

743
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,479
Speaker 3: I do, and so we could easily sit here and say, well,

744
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 3: they've just out recruited everyone, which would be true, absolutely true.

745
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 3: But I also think some of the waves and cycles

746
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: of recruiting that if you were to go back four

747
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 3: years ago, eight years ago, ten years ago, were sort

748
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: of must have or must do with where college football was.

749
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 3: They dominated that portion of it. Defensive line comes to mind.

750
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 3: And if you wouldn't go back to that Alabama Clemson

751
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: trade off back and forth whatever that was for however

752
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: many years, sprinkle it in Ohio State every now and then,

753
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: what did all those teams have in common dominant defensive

754
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 3: lines and dominant defensive line men.

755
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 4: Well, then we had a little.

756
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: Bit of a shift probably and I don't think anybody

757
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 3: sat around a big giant table and were you know,

758
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: the knights of college football and said this is how

759
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 3: we have to operate. Well, how do you offset a

760
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 3: great defensive line? Yeah, you can say offensive line, but

761
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 3: really it's quarterback because he's going to get us in

762
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 3: the right play when things break down, he's still going

763
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: to be able to make something positive happen. And we

764
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 3: have to be able to overcome people who can give

765
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 3: us problems.

766
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 4: There.

767
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 3: What did Clemson do? They were dominant in recruiting quarterbacks,

768
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: then they put some skill guys around him. And the

769
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 3: other part that I think that Dabo had for a

770
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 3: long time that not many college football programs that are

771
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: ultimately successful for a decade plus have a staff continuity.

772
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 3: And look at where some of those staff once they

773
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 3: did decide to go leave what they went. And do

774
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: you had a head coach at USF, you had a

775
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: head coach at Arkansas, you had the current head coach

776
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 3: at Oklahoma. People will point their finger and try to

777
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 3: jab and make a joke and say, well, they weren't

778
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 3: successful there.

779
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 4: They didn't have a great run there. That's okay.

780
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: Nick Saban's guys haven't always had great runs when they've

781
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 3: gone to coach other places, but it does show you

782
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 3: the coaching prowess that Dabo had in that facility with

783
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 3: him for a long time. I think there were even

784
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 3: other things we could put where Clemson was sort of

785
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 3: ahead of the curve facilities. Nobody else had a slide,

786
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 3: nobody else had a putting green. Now with nil, that

787
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 3: looks a little bit less important.

788
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 4: People aren't spending their money on that anymore.

789
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 3: But there was a time, and I know you remember

790
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 3: it like I do, when it was a flat arms

791
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: race of who could be the silliest and the dumbest

792
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 3: with the things that they put in their facility because

793
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 3: kids loved it. It's kind of like when Oregon said

794
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 3: we're gonna have three uniforms for every game, and by god,

795
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,959
Speaker 3: we don't even know what's one we're gonna wear this week.

796
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 4: You get to pick, We'll roll the dice for our

797
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 4: uniform this week.

798
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: But we got so many it just doesn't matter because

799
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 3: the kids love that at that point in time, so

800
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 3: certain things come and go. It feels like there was

801
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 3: a really long stretch where Clemson kind of knew how

802
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 3: to be a little bit ahead of the curve, who

803
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 3: to recruit, how to recruit, where to recruit, what to

804
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: do with your facilities, how to treat your assistant coaches.

805
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, Vinibles was the first guy over

806
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: two million a year, right, Yeah, and maybe there was another.

807
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 4: I think he was.

808
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 3: And so whether it's paying your assistance, making sure you

809
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: have other guys around you that can help keep that

810
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 3: staff continuity together, they were just always sort of out

811
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 3: in front and in the sec When those things started

812
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: to happen, mainly nixt ave been doing them, everybody else

813
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: sprinted to go get those things. Oh my god, we

814
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 3: got to get a waterfallow in our facility for oh man,

815
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 3: we got to go have seventy two analysts our on

816
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 3: our staff. They all sprinted to try to get there,

817
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 3: and a lot of them try to bring in a

818
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: next Saban guy to do it with, whereas a lot

819
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: of those ACCIT schools just kind of said, cool, we

820
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 3: like our coach, so we're just gonna kind of see

821
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 3: if we can make that happen too.

822
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 4: And they got way behind.

823
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 3: Florida State is catching up, and I think Mike Norville

824
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 3: is doing an amazing job building it. And he has

825
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 3: the portal to be able to do that. Is Clemson falling?

826
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 3: I'm from that perspective. Maybe I think what coach Christal

827
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 3: Ball is doing at Miami is going to work. It's

828
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 3: just going to take a little bit more time. And

829
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 3: I think, kind of again, this year in C State

830
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 3: could be a little bit dangerous.

831
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brendan Armstrong, you're a believer in that.

832
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 3: This year, Yes, I think I think can be scary.

833
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 3: I love the D line, I love the front seven.

834
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 3: I'm very anxious to see. We're gonna have a conversation

835
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 3: about this a little bit later, but sort of that

836
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 3: theirs isn't a complete one eighty, but a pretty big

837
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 3: shift offensively. I don't know exactly how how that's going

838
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 3: to be consistently good early in the season.

839
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: All Right, So you mentioned an Io. I want to

840
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: touch on this for a second. We'll probably talk about

841
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: this again later in the season. But just the overall

842
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: like what NIL is in college football right now, and

843
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: I'm not even talking about whether we like it or not.

844
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: I'm just saying what it is and the different dynamic

845
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: in play. There are a lot of folks who are

846
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: really terrified when the idea first got presented, Well, there

847
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 2: are some folks who were terrified that we were going

848
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 2: to pay college players, and then they had the wool

849
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 2: pulled back off their eyes and they said, oh, okay,

850
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 2: it's just gonna look a little different. And then another

851
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: group of people said, but what's this going to do

852
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: to locker rooms? You know, God forbid the fact that

853
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: someone who is making the university a disproportionate amount of

854
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: money is actually going to have more money in his pocket.

855
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: So I talk to you all the time about this.

856
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 2: I don't think either one of us have a problem

857
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: with that as a concept, but it's the dynamic in

858
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 2: the locker room that is really interesting. So we were

859
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: talking about Bama a second ago.

860
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: I've talked about.

861
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 2: Ohio State with this entire theme of when they know

862
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: they don't have an elite quarterback in the spring, and

863
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: it's a really talented group sometimes collectively that can galvanize

864
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: you and that can raise the play of everybody. Well,

865
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 2: it's the same way with nil when you don't have

866
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: that big earner, when you don't have that shark in

867
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: the locker room, maybe there's not that mentality of oh,

868
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: he'll do it, he's the big earner.

869
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: He'll do it.

870
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: They all know we're kind of from an earn perspective,

871
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 2: We're kind of all on a rookie contract here. We

872
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: were kind of all the same, so we got to

873
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: all pull the same weight.

874
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 3: I think fans need to understand the multiple ways that

875
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 3: this works. I honestly get frustrated when we say nil

876
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 3: because I think if we took a giant, you know,

877
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 3: a pie, and we broke up the percentages of it,

878
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 3: I think there is a much larger portion of it

879
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 3: that is not really in il so to speak, than

880
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 3: actually is now. Is Caleb Williams on the Doctor Pepper

881
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 3: commercials this year?

882
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 4: Yes, does Kate.

883
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 3: Clubnick have a rowback deal? Yes, those are those are

884
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 3: real NIL deals. But you and I both know that enticement.

885
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 3: And it's not even pay for play, it's pay to attend.

886
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 3: It's it's here's I mean. I was on a coaching

887
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 3: call with Rick stocks Still today and I was talking

888
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 3: about how does nil affect your team? I want to

889
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: hear your stance on it, and he said, we're proud

890
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 3: of how we manage things and run things. But the

891
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 3: guys who have left our program that go start somewhere

892
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 3: where else, they have left because they've been offered money

893
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: through nil and that there's nothing we can do about that.

894
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 3: There's a there's a large understanding that that's what college

895
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 3: football is and where it is. Josh, but I don't

896
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 3: I don't view that as in il. If you we're

897
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 3: giving some money two hundred thousand dollars to come to

898
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 3: school here and then hopefully go play, that's not utilizing name,

899
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: image and likeness. That's giving you money to just come

900
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: give it a shot. In my opinion.

901
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 4: Now they are.

902
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: Also collectives that are all used in all kind of

903
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 3: different ways.

904
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 4: But the way that I think a lot of the.

905
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 3: Coaches would like that to be is, Okay, we have

906
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 3: two hundred thousand dollars or two million dollars, Let's give

907
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 3: our eighty five scholarship guys X amount of month for

908
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 3: the entirety that you play football here. That could be

909
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: five thousand a month, ten thousand a month, whatever that is,

910
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 3: and then let the chips follo where they may. When

911
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 3: a brock Bowers can go get a deal with Josh

912
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 3: Page Barbecue, or Caleb Williams can get a deal at

913
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 3: you know, Cole Kubleck's tire change place and that's an

914
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 3: extra tw twenty thousand, one hundred thous dollars.

915
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 4: Whatever that is.

916
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 3: I think that's the intended way that a lot of

917
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 3: coaches saw it and sort of wanted it to be.

918
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 3: It's not really that. Does it affect the locker room,

919
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 3: You bet your rear end it does. I've talked to

920
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 3: multiple head coaches that have said, what a problem it is.

921
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 3: Guys see the next guy get whatever, and they get mad.

922
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 3: I've heard stories about guys in the parking lot of

923
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 3: where the collective is housed yelling at the people inside

924
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 3: because so and so just got a nicer car than

925
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 3: he did. And then to go even further, you bringing

926
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: up Alabama a little bit. I think when you look

927
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 3: last year at that football team, Bryce Young and Will Anderson,

928
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 3: they were the two biggest earners through in al they

929
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 3: were also the two best football players. Subconsciously, it's hard

930
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 3: for me to imagine that there wasn't a little bit

931
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 3: of Okay, well he always bails us out, so he'll

932
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 3: go bail us out again, right.

933
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 4: But then further down.

934
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 3: The line of well he's he does the doctor paper commercial, right,

935
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: like he gets seven million a year, two million, like

936
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 3: let him do it.

937
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 4: He's a guy, get all the money, He'll do it.

938
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 4: He's the one everybody wants to pay. Go for it.

939
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 3: We forget that these are eighteen, nineteen twenty year olds

940
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: sometimes and just from from a maturity standpoint, that's the

941
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 3: way your brain operates. You haven't had enough life experience

942
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 3: to understand that that's not just how things always have

943
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 3: to be or because they seem that way. So I

944
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: think it affects you in a lot of different ways.

945
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 3: That's gonna there's a lot of gimme, gimme, gimme more

946
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 3: and more and more. My mind, me, me me, and

947
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 3: it forces that to a certain extent. I'm not against

948
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 3: guys making money. I'm not mad when a guy gets

949
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 3: a legitimate deal, but the way that some of the

950
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: other parts of it operate, it can ruin a locker room,

951
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 3: and even when it's not intended to, and it shouldn't.

952
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: Because the guys are making money because they're great football players,

953
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 3: there's gonna be jealousy. There's gonna be envy, and there's

954
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 3: gonna be guys that sit back and say, Okay, well,

955
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 3: if you're earning all that money, you go make the play,

956
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,959
Speaker 3: you go throw the touchdown, you go get the SAT.

957
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 3: We'll be over here waiting on our turn once you

958
00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 3: leave to try to go get paid next.

959
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: Here's what's crazy now, this is what would probably surprise

960
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: a lot of people. There's a thought that when you

961
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,479
Speaker 2: watch a team raise a trophy and the confetti falls

962
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: on them at the end of the year, they must

963
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: have had a rock solid, perfect culture, angelic borderline angelic culture.

964
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: And what I've seen, I know goodwill, you've seen it

965
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: in years past. So not to specifically mention any one

966
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 2: team because it's more than one.

967
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: Is you'll watch a team.

968
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: Who's getting ready to play for a title. You'll watch

969
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 2: a team who's won a title, and you've covered him

970
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: in week six, and I've sat there and talked to

971
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 2: three other staffers and they've let you know it, dude,

972
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: it's kind of a disaster right now behind the scenes,

973
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 2: not holistically, but we got this happening. We got this

974
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,959
Speaker 2: dude at this dude's throat, This assistant coach is all

975
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: kind of issues all around him in that lane over there.

976
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: And it's what it does to me is it makes

977
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: me appreciate so much what a head coach has on

978
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: his plate. I don't know when a head coach ever

979
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: gets time to talk about football. I don't know where

980
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 2: he ever gets time to focus on football. And that

981
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 2: was before or the whole nil thing and the transfer

982
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: portal thing got thrown in there, and so, I mean,

983
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: it's kind of a different topic, but it's also not.

984
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: What I'm trying to say is you're trying to just

985
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: hold it together. That's what you're trying to do. You're

986
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 2: never gonna have a perfect culture. You're never gonna have

987
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 2: that utopian We're all in it for each other. We're

988
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: not gonna focus on self. It's all gonna be about we.

989
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: That doesn't exist. If you've got humans in a locker

990
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 2: room to an eighty five or a one to fifteen

991
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 2: or one twenty kind of number, that won't happen. It's

992
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: which coach can just hold it together, Like when I

993
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: have my hands clasped, there's gonna be a little pull

994
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,959
Speaker 2: apart there, just which coach can make sure the hands

995
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,919
Speaker 2: don't separate entirely. Those are the ones winning right now.

996
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 3: It's one of the things that you give Kirby Smart

997
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 3: so much credit for the last couple of years. How

998
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 3: you can have guys that are gonna go in the

999
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: top ten, or the top fifteen or the top twenty,

1000
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 3: who statistically maybe just put the best defense up in

1001
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 3: the history of this game that we love so much

1002
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 3: that we've watched believing that they're not good at what

1003
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 3: they do, either individually or collectively. It's incredible and he

1004
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 3: found ways to do that. One of the things I

1005
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: think you and I are sort of falling in love

1006
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 3: with with this Alabama team this year are the stories

1007
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: coming out about Deontay Lawson yelling at a guy and

1008
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 3: mfing a guy because he didn't want to come do

1009
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 3: extra conditioning after practice, which was not required by the staff,

1010
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 3: mind you, but him saying, this is what we do

1011
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 3: and how we do it, so if you don't want

1012
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: to do it this way, get find another place to

1013
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 3: go play football.

1014
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 4: It's amazing everything taking.

1015
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 3: And I think the other part too, Josh, is that

1016
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 3: the last few years, so many things have hit these

1017
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 3: coaches in the face that they weren't necessarily ready for

1018
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 3: nil really cool.

1019
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 4: It's great they weren't ready for it.

1020
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: No nobody was.

1021
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 4: Truly ready for it.

1022
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 3: And I'm convinced that even the teams like Texas A

1023
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 3: and M that seemingly had it all figured out. There

1024
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 3: were some accidents along the way in which they just

1025
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 3: happened to have things set up the right way, or

1026
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 3: happen to have the right people in charge it.

1027
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 4: And the transfer portal. Do you think these coaches were ready.

1028
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 3: For guys in the middle of the season to say, Yeah,

1029
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 3: I'm out, I'm portal, I'm gone. And the biggest problem

1030
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 3: in all of that is that college football players are

1031
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 3: smarter than they've ever been.

1032
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 4: They are constantly learning.

1033
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 3: How to gain the system. I'll give you an example.

1034
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 3: Last year, towards the end of the season. I had

1035
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 3: never heard of this. I didn't know this was happened.

1036
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 3: I never thought about this potentially taking place. There was

1037
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 3: a pretty big problem, kind of a ground swell that

1038
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 3: was happening that nobody heard about and nobody was talking

1039
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 3: about with college football players that were rolling up on

1040
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 3: having played in four games this.

1041
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 4: Year, which we know the new red shirt rules put.

1042
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 3: In place, something the NCAA probably didn't think about as

1043
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 3: being a byproduct of this, and coaches damn sure didn't

1044
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: sit back and go, Okay, now, let me see here,

1045
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: when we get to four games, this kid's gonna say

1046
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 3: I ain't playing anymore.

1047
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,919
Speaker 4: How are we gonna deal with that? Joey? Okay, cool,

1048
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 4: let's take that down. Not a real thing.

1049
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 3: But players who played on special teams had reserve roles

1050
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 3: or rotational roles that were coming to coaches saying, hey, coach,

1051
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 3: I've played four games and I want to save my

1052
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 3: red shirt, so I ain't going back in this year.

1053
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.

1054
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: What yep?

1055
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 4: Oh?

1056
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you understood, I don't want

1057
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 3: to play any more football for you.

1058
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 4: Oh, I'll practice.

1059
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 3: I'll be a scout team guy, which, by the way,

1060
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 3: I would en never in my life would have come

1061
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: out of my mouth and say I want to be

1062
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 3: on scout team. But you had guys and they handled

1063
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 3: it in different ways. Some guys didn't say anything. Lincoln

1064
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: Riley was very public about it. He had a receiver

1065
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 3: and he said, yeah, man, you can help us, So

1066
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: go to the practice squad and work against my dbs

1067
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: every day.

1068
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 4: I'm cool with it.

1069
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: Now.

1070
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 3: That's fully grasping probably where we were in college football today.

1071
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 4: But other guys that.

1072
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 3: I know that I talked to essentially said goodbye, we're done.

1073
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 4: Don't eat you, don't want you. And there were other.

1074
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 3: I talked to one SEC coach that said, we had

1075
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 3: to figure out ways that this kid could still utilize

1076
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: our academic center because it was tied to our athletic facility.

1077
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 3: And I didn't want them round on my team because

1078
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 3: you just said, you don't want to be here anymore.

1079
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 3: So I think these new waves of things I don't

1080
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,959
Speaker 3: know what to call them that coaches have to deal

1081
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 3: with and manage are hitting every single year, and that

1082
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 3: only gives you more more things that you got to

1083
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 3: worry about, more things that you got to do, and

1084
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 3: more people that you essentially have to babysit, I guess.

1085
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 3: And so yeah, it's it's it's crazy to think about

1086
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 3: what they have to try and deal with on a

1087
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 3: daily basis.

1088
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about this for just a second.

1089
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: We'll get out of here. Two offenses that want to

1090
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about because we got radical

1091
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: shifts about to happen. We'll do the first one in

1092
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: your backyard. What is Auburn's offense about to look like

1093
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: this year? How radically different?

1094
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 3: And well, it's going to be very different from one

1095
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 3: a personnel standpoint, it won't be as tight and heavy.

1096
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 3: That was a lot of twelve personnel last year that

1097
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 3: Bobo and Harson threw on the field, a lot of

1098
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 3: single back, a lot of under center. You won't get

1099
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 3: much of that anymore. They'll be gun the majority of

1100
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 3: the time. There will be some tight end usage, but

1101
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 3: I don't know if they'll be as much multiple tight

1102
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 3: end usage. And that's one of the reasons that it

1103
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 3: was such a big concern and the receiver position was

1104
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 3: harped on so much through the portal is that Auburn

1105
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 3: just didn't seem like they had the numbers period, much

1106
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 3: less quality numbers to be able to go out and

1107
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 3: run some sort of a spread offense.

1108
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 4: The tempo will be much faster, much greater now.

1109
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 3: I think that they'll they'll find different ways to tone

1110
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 3: that down. Go fast at times and then slower at times.

1111
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a team that takes more shots down

1112
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 3: the field, playing and simple. I mean one thing that

1113
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 3: coach Freeese coach Montgomery both believe in are forcing you

1114
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 3: to defend depth and they will take shots when they

1115
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 3: find one on ones. So it's still gonna be a

1116
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 3: run first offense, but by design, it's not gonna be

1117
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 3: stretched play from under center. It's not gonna be counter

1118
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 3: or power, you know from under center twenty thirty times

1119
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: a game. That's not what it's gonna be. They will

1120
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 3: run the football, it's just they're gonna do it by

1121
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 3: creating some space, by utilizing tempo, winning match certain things

1122
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 3: of that nature, and quarterbacks gonna have quick ball distribution,

1123
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 3: have to complete some passes. Our po game a little bit,

1124
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 3: a little bit more present than it has been the

1125
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 3: last few years. So it's gonna look different, it's gonna

1126
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 3: act different, and that's why some of what Hugh Freeze

1127
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 3: is able to get in the portal, specifically at receiver, quarterback,

1128
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 3: and offensive line, are actually going to give them a

1129
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 3: chance to exceed expectations this fall.

1130
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 2: Dude, imagine going back ten years. I mean Hugh Freeze

1131
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 2: has been a head coach at that point. You go

1132
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 2: back ten years and you just give him a glimpse,

1133
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: not of his entire future, but just hey, at a

1134
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 2: pinpoint in life in twenty twenty three, you're gonna be

1135
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: a head coach at Auburn and out of spring you're

1136
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: gonna go get.

1137
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: Your starting quarterback for the fall.

1138
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: So he's not even gonna go through springball with you,

1139
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: you're also going to use something called the portal. Follow

1140
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: me here, coach, You're gonna use something called the portal,

1141
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: and you're going to bring in a large chunk of

1142
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 2: your starting rotation. Eleven four star rated guys are higher,

1143
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 2: and you're going to be put in the pressure cooker

1144
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 2: that the SEC West and people are really gonna have expectations. Though,

1145
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: by the way, this is gonna be the first year

1146
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: year ever. There your thoughts and just roll the dice.

1147
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 2: Let's go with it like that's that's essentially Auburn football

1148
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 2: this fall.

1149
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 3: It's it's wild to think about when you go when

1150
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 3: you really go through and pick apart that roster, and

1151
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 3: I know they put a depth chart out and then

1152
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 3: coach Free says he had nothing to do with it.

1153
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 3: Either way, you look at it, probably three offensive linemen,

1154
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 3: probably two defensive linemen, a linebacker, two to three receivers,

1155
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 3: however you want to calculate that, a tight end, a quarterback.

1156
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 3: As you mentioned, there's a good chance that half of

1157
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 3: the first twenty two are gonna be guys they got

1158
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 3: out of the portal.

1159
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 4: That's insane to think about.

1160
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 3: It shows that they did a great job, but it's

1161
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 3: it's wild times that we're living in here in college football.

1162
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, the other one, here's what's really fun.

1163
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: So Phil Longo follows Luke viggl up to Wisconsin and

1164
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 2: this is probably the most oil and water shot to

1165
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: the census thing that's coming for America. They've known Wisconsin

1166
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 2: and you got a forty five year old guy, for instance,

1167
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: that just lives in I don't know Sheboygan for example,

1168
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: know your geography, kids, and he's watched Wisconsin football be

1169
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: one thing pretty much his whole life. And all of

1170
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: a sudden we had fickle it at Media Day's last

1171
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 2: month and I said, how radically different is this going

1172
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 2: to be? He said, Oh, it's going to be different.

1173
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 2: It's gonna be way different. And they haven't really shied

1174
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: away from that. They got three really good receivers out

1175
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 2: of the portal. They went and got Tanner Mordecai from SMU.

1176
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: That's a former five star guy. But Phil Longo offensive

1177
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 2: coordinator comes up there by way of North Carolina. They

1178
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 2: were nothing else at Carolina recently, but they could throw

1179
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 2: the football. They could run up the score on you.

1180
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 2: At least, what do you think that's going to look like?

1181
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 3: Are they watching in Watertown is what I need to

1182
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 3: know because my mother's side of the family, the likely

1183
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 3: portion of my family, Watertown, Wisconsin, been there media summer,

1184
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 3: lived right across the river from the slaughterhouse, so Oka.

1185
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yah, yeah, right across the river from the

1186
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: slaughter Yeah. Watertown's here.

1187
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, got it good there.

1188
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 3: And this is going to be as big of a

1189
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 3: shift in philosophy, mentality, the DNA attitude, mindset, whatever you

1190
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 3: want to call it, than we have seen maybe in

1191
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 3: the history of college football. And because of what you stated, Josh,

1192
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:15,479
Speaker 3: that historically Wisconsin was so good at one thing for

1193
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 3: so long, and that was pounding the football into your

1194
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 3: face and making you like it over and over and over.

1195
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 3: Great offensive lineman like Joe Thomas, great running backs like

1196
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 3: Ron Dame, throwing some extra tight ends in full backs

1197
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 3: and it was a lot of fun to watch. And

1198
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,439
Speaker 3: now Phil long Ago, who I will say the last

1199
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 3: couple of years, has gotten much more responsible with how

1200
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 3: he manages an offense.

1201
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 4: When he was at Old Miss by God, I can

1202
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 4: remember some third.

1203
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 3: And threes and fourth and two's where he's throwing fades

1204
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 3: down the field and they're you know, they're They're throwing

1205
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 3: these corner routes and I'm thinking, good lord man, it's

1206
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 3: the third and one, Like, what are we doing? He

1207
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 3: has a much better understanding of how to balance things out.

1208
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 3: But it's going to go lightning fast at times. They

1209
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 3: are going to push the ball down the field at

1210
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 3: other times, and they're gonna have formations that maybe I've

1211
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 3: never been seen at Wisconsin with four and five wide receivers.

1212
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 4: One of my biggest questions with it. And I got

1213
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 4: this quote from a Mac.

1214
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 3: Coach that I covered a couple of years ago, and

1215
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 3: they had a lot of success throw in the football,

1216
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 3: and he said, yeah, but you know what always happens

1217
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 3: in the Mac. November happens in the Mac. And look

1218
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 3: at the places that we go to, cal Buffalo, Michigan.

1219
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 3: What's it going to look like later in the season

1220
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 3: is all I want to know. Because Wisconsin's got some

1221
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 3: big games at home late in the season. Can you

1222
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 3: still throw it forty five times a game if you

1223
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 3: want to? That's why I think Coach Fickle may be

1224
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 3: sort of, you know, the I guess, the great mixologist

1225
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 3: in everything that Wisconsin wants to be this season by

1226
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 3: saying we're still going to have.

1227
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 4: A little bit of our old DNA here.

1228
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 3: We're still gonna be able to put some folks around

1229
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 3: at times, because I think late in the season is

1230
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 3: going to be one time that you're almost gonna have

1231
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 3: to the weather will dictate it. And look at Ohio

1232
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 3: State of Northwestern last year. I mean, and they blamed

1233
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 3: that game on the wind, for God's sake. So it's

1234
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 3: gonna be fun to watch, It's gonna be interesting. Then

1235
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 3: in Mississippi State, I think are two of the most

1236
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 3: interesting case studies this upcoming season with just how drastically

1237
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 3: different things are going to be on offense.

1238
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 1: Hey man, you're you're a Southern boy.

1239
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 2: So did you know you would have you would have

1240
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 2: folded in that cold weather if you ever went to

1241
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 2: play in it?

1242
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: Did you know that about yourself?

1243
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 4: Man?

1244
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 3: My dad went to Hampton High School in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

1245
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 3: I still have a little bit of that that's been

1246
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 3: calloused into my blood, just a little bit. Okay, about

1247
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 3: mom's family Wisconsin, dad's family Pittsburgh. Yes, they had me

1248
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 3: in the South. I was born in Jackson, Mississippi. But

1249
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 3: at least I can say twenty one year old me

1250
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 3: would have never folded in that forty something me.

1251
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I probably shut that down pretty quick.

1252
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 3: I did a game in a wet suit last Yearnation House.

1253
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: How the biggest sellout? Did you feel like you were

1254
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: at that moment?

1255
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,280
Speaker 3: The only thing that made it okay is that Brady

1256
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 3: is where we got the idea for it. So I'm like,

1257
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 3: if Tom Brady can wear a wet soon play football, by.

1258
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 4: God, I can wear a wet soon call football.

1259
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: Where are you this Saturday? What game you got tuscal Usa?

1260
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 4: You're Tennessee State, tusclusa yea.

1261
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 3: And then there's so many different things that we're gonna

1262
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 3: be able to talk about. Quarterback is obvious, some young

1263
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 3: guys on defense, that defensive line, the offensive line. You

1264
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 3: kind of hinted at something with your graphic a few

1265
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 3: minutes ago there that we're going to.

1266
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 4: Talk about Saturday night.

1267
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 3: That is going to happen that I do not believe

1268
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 3: I've ever seen on a starting five of any college

1269
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,439
Speaker 3: or NFL offensive line.

1270
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 4: You gotta watch the game to find out what it is.

1271
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 2: I love how you air quoted graphic like it's an

1272
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 2: alleged graphic.

1273
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: It may or may not have been there. Yeah, I

1274
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: thank you.

1275
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 2: Okay, So, so Cole Kublick on this podcast, this show,

1276
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 2: uh gonna do it every Thursday. Man, it's gonna be

1277
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 2: it's gonna be tight with your schedule. We're gonna be

1278
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 2: able to pull this off.

1279
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, we'll figure it out.

1280
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 3: I'm traveling late now because I gotta do the Monday

1281
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 3: show Read and react on the SEC at work six

1282
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 3: pm Central with Rowan Harper. If you're end up going

1283
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 3: back at the film over the weekend, but no, we're

1284
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 3: gonna be fine.

1285
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 4: Thursdays are good.

1286
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 2: We got this going all right, man, Cole c Cole

1287
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 2: cuts for lack of a better name, And we appreciate

1288
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 2: you guys watching. We're gonna go watch a football game

1289
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 2: right now. It is Florida, it is Utah. We appreciate

1290
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 2: you guys being tuned in so much. We'll be back

1291
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: earlier on Sunday night. We're going what Colin six Eastern,

1292
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 2: five Central on Sunday night, and that's ahead of of

1293
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 2: course Florida State lsu SO week one. The schedule's all discombobulated,

1294
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 2: but we'll get it on track after that. For producer Jesse,

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Speaker 2: for director Colin, I'm Josh Pate take care, have a

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Speaker 2: great college football week one weekend, we'll be back Sunday night.

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Speaker 2: Until then, God bless