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Now your host, Shannon Gross, Welcome 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: to a very unique episode of Cowboys Cross Talk as 9 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: we enter the bye week, and gentlemen, before I make introductions, 10 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: I have one thing to say. Five and one, baby, 11 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: five and one. Let's go, man go, Dallas, Cowboy go. 12 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: All right, let's get to it. To my right tonight 13 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: joining us, always a pleasure, always a good time. Ran 14 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: and brought us the one on five three. Yank you, 15 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. You're looking good. I'm trying man. Yeah, 16 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: I broke out the mid of light. See you at 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: the draft. You know, I tried to kind of cover 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: all the bases. I like it. I like it. Thank 19 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: you to you're right repping the uh, the Cowboys and 20 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: the Royal Blue Team. Now. Thaniel Newton, welcome to the 21 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: show Big Night, it was baby, Baby gotta win the 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: five week Baby, let's go. We will not lose this 23 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: week and Toil. You're right, yes, sir, the one the 24 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: only our special guests, our guest of honor tonight Rocket. 25 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: It's my ell, it's happening right. I never heard from 26 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: Dallas like that. You said it's my hell with the 27 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: elaborate enunciation. There we go, kiss my hell. Yeah, there 28 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: we go. So this is gonna be a fun show 29 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: because we have nothing really to talk about specifically except 30 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, how they've been performing, what you like 31 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: about the team and what you don't, and other than that, 32 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: we can take this anywhere we want to go because 33 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: there's no game to talk about. All right, Well, I 34 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: love it and for the show, Brian asked me a 35 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: question then we got cut off and ceremoniously, and the 36 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: question was what the heck happened to my irish when 37 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: they were playing Cincinnati? And my answer was about to 38 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: be man, they're a good team as far as Notre 39 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: Dame is concerned, but they're not good enough to overcome 40 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 1: inconsistent quarterback play, and they're not good enough to overcome 41 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: more than one turnover. And that's the short of what 42 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 1: happened in that game. I wanted to be I wanted 43 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: to be polite and make sure any time to the question, 44 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: anytime you could kick a notre dame. It doesn't always 45 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: happen that way. I can dig it. I can dig it. 46 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: Told me before the show, he said, you got one job. 47 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: Don't let him start talking about notre dame. We got 48 00:02:54,800 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: thirty seconds in aready your mission? So what have you 49 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: been up to? Rocket Man? Learning how to parents young adults, 50 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: because it's like they're still in that age, so that 51 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: the age that can do what they want to do 52 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: right and have I told my children, you don't have 53 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: to obey your mother and father anymore, but you have 54 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: you still have to honor us. And how I tell them, 55 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: when you're honoring us, is gonna guarantee two things. That 56 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: you'll live long and that you'll have an opportunity to 57 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: prosper in this land that you're in. So with that 58 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: being said, it's like, as a dad, it's like I 59 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: can't just lay down the law because my twenty five, 60 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: twenty three, twenty twenty five, twenty two, twenty one, eighteen 61 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: is my my youngest and it's like probably three quarters 62 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: of the things that they might want to do, I 63 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: still have to pay for, right, And so it's like that, like, man, 64 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: you want this money, boy, you've got to listen to 65 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: the words that's coming off my mom. So it's like 66 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: learning how to balance being apparent at this stage of 67 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: their lives. That's that's my main deal. And then every 68 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: once in a while I work with the NFL a 69 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: Legends community and the Legends community for anybody that's a 70 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: former player that's out there listening, you're a legend if 71 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: you have a story to tell that somebody from your hometown, 72 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: from your college town, from your NFL town can recall 73 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: you're a legend. You play for any of the thirty 74 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: two teams. Now it is any of the thirty two teams, 75 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: and you can get information and download an app at 76 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: NFL dot players dot com. And that's the other part 77 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: of my time. And then when I get more downtime, 78 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: I go to Notre Dame games. Yeah all right, we 79 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: got Notre Dame in there twice in the first three bromis, 80 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: Yeah all right, since it's the bye week. Yeah, well 81 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: five and one I say Weave would say we you 82 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: work here, We work here. We're five and one, and 83 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: it feels a lot like two thousand and sixteen a 84 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: little bit. You got some young players, you got some energy, 85 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: they're having fun. What surprises you most about this team 86 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: so far this year? You know, I think that they're 87 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: very well coached. And I'll say this in a way 88 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: that I think in Nate might agree with me, and 89 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: maybe Rocket will as well. There's things that happened to 90 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: this team early with suspensions, injuries, things like that that 91 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: they're having to adjust through. If you would have told 92 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: me five weeks ago, this team would be on a 93 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: five game winning streak with Terrence Steele playing at right tackle, 94 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: you know, I think taking Lyle Collins out is a 95 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: huge deal. You know, and this offensive line has not 96 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: played together as all five guys yet, you know, and 97 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: here's his team. It's five and one right now. I 98 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: think the coaching staff is doing a great job of 99 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: you know, a Terrence Steel tank. Lawrence not in the game. 100 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: I mean taking players that they got, whether it was 101 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: through free agency in the off season or drafting, and 102 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: then plugging them in. We always hear coach talk about 103 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's coach speak a little bit like, oh, 104 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: we're putting our players in positions to make plays. This 105 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: staff is really doing a nice job of that. They're 106 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: not asking these guys to do stuff that they can't do. 107 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: And maybe in some of the times in past you 108 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: might have seen that it's like, Okay, throw that guy 109 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: out there, letting block sixty five plays. If it works, okay, 110 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: it's fine. You know, but along the way they've done 111 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: things in order to put you know, you knew this 112 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: offense was going to be good. The defense was the 113 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: biggest question, right, So what was going to happen in 114 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: the secondary? What was gonna happen to defensive tackle? How 115 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: good were they gonna be a linebacker? But I think 116 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: what you know, instead of having to use smoking mirrors 117 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: along the way for defense, they're actually developing some guys, 118 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: and their guys are making some place. Yeah, they're giving 119 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: up some chunk plays, but the offense is doing such 120 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: a great job of putting pressure on these opponents, on 121 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: their on their offense staff to score along with you. 122 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: It's helping the defense with the turnovers and things they're 123 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: able to do. Nate, what's the biggest surprise? So the 124 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: easy answers defense, right, right. What's the biggest surprise to 125 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: you so far about this team? Oh? Man? Just the consistency, 126 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, and what brought us the standard development of 127 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: players going out getting We finally went out and go 128 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: out free agents and draft picks that are contributing. Whereas 129 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: before we would get draft picks and free agents and 130 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: all of said why why are they not playing? And 131 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: we would have some reason why they wouldn't play. Now 132 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: they are playing. The coaching staff don't have to say 133 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: next man up. We take kind of take that for 134 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: granted earlier in this season. So I'm with the one 135 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: brought us. Have nothing to add, but I want to 136 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: hear what the what the voice had the guest of honor. 137 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: I just want to say, And I don't I don't 138 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: know if this is something that would be a consensus 139 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: amongst the Cowboys nation, But man, a part of me 140 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: holds my breath every time I see Dak take off. Yeah, 141 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: and so okay, that's okay. So I don't didn't know 142 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: if I was by myself every time I see him 143 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: take off. And just because I'm an offensive guy, right, 144 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: I am less and less anxious whenever we find ourselves 145 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: in a third and long down and it's in a 146 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: crucial situation and we have to have it whether it 147 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: is through the air or on the ground. It's like, 148 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: I'm my expectation is that we're gonna get it. And 149 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: so that's like a real good feeling to have, man, 150 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: And and I hadn't had that in a while. Is 151 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: that because there's three things that go into that? To me? 152 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: Is that because of Dak? Is that because of you've 153 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: seen Cedric Wilson do it, You've seen Noah Brown do 154 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: it on third and fourth down? Or is it because 155 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: of the play calling with Kelly Moore's three different things. Okay, 156 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: so I feel the same way. I'm like, okay, we okay, Okay. 157 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: So for me, the primary is Kellen that's as he's won, 158 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: and then one A is Dak and the rest of 159 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: the offense and their ability to execute like that, to me, 160 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: when you talked about consistency overseason, that that to me 161 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: stands out the most. And it's just like when I'm 162 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: watching the game, I know it's like, man, I don't 163 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: have as much anxiety as I used to have when 164 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: it was coming down to these same situations. Yeah, I 165 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: think when you know what rocket and later are talking 166 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: about too, the consistency, you know, and you get in 167 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: the first and twenty and all of a sudden, he 168 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: throws the ball to Noah Brown, like you say, for 169 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: twenty yards and you're like, going, well that was easy. Yeah, 170 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: you know, And and that's where I mean, well they 171 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: get they get behind the chains on things, and it's 172 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: not a it's not a just a backbreaker. It's not 173 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: one of those it's not one of those things. Were like, 174 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, they can't they can't convert this, right, 175 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: I mean they put so much pressure. I mean Belichick 176 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: was grinding in that game the other day because he 177 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,599 Speaker 1: couldn't figure out. He's like, okay, do I choke the 178 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: running game? And if I choke the running game? What 179 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: happens on the outside. His guys gave up huge plays 180 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: on the outside. I mean five hundreds something yards of 181 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: offense against the Bill Belichick led defense. That's just unheard of. 182 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: I mean, that's an all time record if you want 183 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: to say, so, yeah, these this team puts you in 184 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: a lot of bad situations when it comes defensively to 185 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: have to to deal with all that and to add 186 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: to that, right, quick light, right, because I know I 187 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: can feel you literally, he's coming over the table. Yeah, 188 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: our defense is just good enough to agitate you, and 189 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: our offense is good enough to win it all. Yes, 190 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: So we can keep agitating folks defensively and to this 191 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: defense bills and get better and mature, because I don't 192 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: think they where they need to be against top level competition, 193 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: but they can agitate you just well, the turnovers make 194 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: a difference to you. I mean the turnovers just like 195 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: if you want to talk about the great deodorant right now, Yeah, 196 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: we can't think about to come at you, brod No. 197 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying though. The great deodor and 198 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: has been the turnovers. I mean the fact that you 199 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: give up chunk plays. You know, and even you know 200 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: the coaches are talking about that. They're like, listen, we're 201 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: not where we need to be when it comes to 202 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: giving up these plays. We got a rally to the 203 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: ball better, we gotta tackle. But the fact that you're 204 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: turning people over, I think makes a huge difference for 205 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: how you play defense. So when one other point from 206 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: a defensive standpoint that excites me to no end, I 207 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: feel I feel so honored that in my light, in 208 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: my lifetime, and in my sports experienced lifetime, I've seen 209 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: iconic sports figures from the time I can remember. And 210 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to get out on the land now 211 00:11:55,360 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: what this show's ball right now? Right, But when we 212 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: talk about defense and when we talk about turnovers, man, 213 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: like something inside of me is like, man, is dig 214 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: is gonna be that guy that like iconic? Like he 215 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: starts fast, it does, stays consistent, and finishes strong in 216 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: the season. Then before you know it, he's you know, 217 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: five years down the line of airline. Okay, we can't 218 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: go to that guy's side. Like is that like the 219 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: anticipation of what that can be. Man, it's such a 220 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: joy to me. I feel so great when I see 221 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: and I'm not even defensive. So anyway, I just wanted 222 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: to add that before and I got to clarify something 223 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: because I saw Nate's side on me when I said, 224 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: now I know why they kept Noah Brown around all 225 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: these years. Not in a negative way. He just never 226 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: go right. We'll get to that later, but I did. 227 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: You never saw Noah get on the field, And now 228 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: I know it's like Terrence Steel, why do they you 229 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 1: know a lot of people were down on Terrence, a 230 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: lot of him, you know him, and now you know 231 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: why they kept these guys around because it's starting to 232 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: pay dividends. All right, let's take our first break. We 233 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: come back. We'll have a lot more stuff. We don't 234 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: even know what we're talking about, but I like the 235 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: way the show starting. Shandon Gross, Nate News Brian brought 236 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: us and Rocket It's smile when we come back. This 237 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: is Cowboys Cross Hall from the Cowboys Club here in Frisco, 238 00:13:28,120 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: Texas to s WBC Mortgages Cowboys Cross Talk Check broadcasting 239 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: live from the Cowboys Club at the Star in Frisco. 240 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the beautiful Cowboys Club here at the 241 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: Star in Frisco, Texas. Shannon Gross, Brian brought us, Nate 242 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: Newton and the guest of honor, rocket Ismael at the 243 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: end of the table. And before it's an inside joke 244 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: before we started. Before we get back to business, let's 245 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: talk a little business. What do we got talk it? 246 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: Did you you know that at SWBC they have customized 247 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: solutions for individuals and businesses and they're just to click away. 248 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: I had no idea. Now you do know, And after 249 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: the show, I want you to visit SWBC dot com. 250 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 1: You can learn more and you can start your next 251 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: adventure to day. I'm on it all right. So we 252 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: got into a little talk when we were in the break, 253 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: and normally when we're in the break, we're not allowed 254 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: to talk about when we talked about in the break, 255 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: but this was a pretty clean break. We'll say, yeah, 256 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: so we're talking about one number seven. Treyvon Diggs brought 257 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: us is a little bit of an analyst. He knows 258 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: a thing or two about coverages. You know a thing 259 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: or two about coverages. And you guys were having some 260 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: back and forth. Tell the people what you guys were 261 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: talking about, what you wanted to know about it. So 262 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: my question was was this expected? And with the expectation, 263 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: is there room to get better? As this something as 264 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: this an anomaly? Is this something that's going to be 265 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: what it is that we see? And you reply, well, 266 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: my reply to you is though when you watch him 267 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: have to play, because of his length and his athletic ability, 268 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: it's different for him facing different receivers because in the 269 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: Giants game he had to deal with Kenny Galladay and 270 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: he's had to deal with bigger receivers. So he's going 271 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,719 Speaker 1: to carry your best guy. Usually your best guy might 272 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: be the biggest guy, whether it's Evans, Galladay, Alan, guys 273 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: like that. So when he plays against big on big, 274 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: that's to his strength. He has to face somebody like 275 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: and Tony, who was the wide receiver with the Giants 276 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: from Florida, the little shifty guy. And I was also 277 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: talking about if he had to cover you, he would 278 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: be a lot different for him because he is not 279 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: that quick twitch. We talk about a Dion Sanders and 280 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: the kind of guys that did have that ability to 281 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: where if Rocket was playing in the slot and he 282 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: has to walk down there and cover, then Rocket can 283 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: kind of move him off the line and now he's 284 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: having a rally and turn and do all that. So 285 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: to me, the bigger of the receiver that he has 286 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: to play, the better chance he has for collision position 287 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: and then finish. And I think that's where his game 288 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: is that and then you know, a lot of the 289 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: best receivers around the league. We'll see what happens at Minnesota, 290 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: you know, in next week with him having to deal 291 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: with Jefferson feeling and guys like that. Who do you 292 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: travel with in that football game? I mean, because you know, 293 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: like I say, Jefferson's got some separation. Taller guy, Feeling 294 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 1: is a Dealing is a bad ball catcher. Yeah, but 295 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: but you bang on Feeling, you know you're gonna have 296 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: a chance to cover him. So I'm really looking forward 297 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: to seeing how that Dan Quinn and then Joe with 298 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: a secondary coach, and then Al Harris and how they 299 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: put him. Do they mix him up with? You know, Okay, 300 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: one time he's got Dealing on third down, the next 301 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: time he's got Jefferson on a first or second down. 302 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: You don't let them get a bea to where he's 303 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: going to be when you put him in coverage. That 304 00:19:54,119 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: one question. Is it possible with high level films study? 305 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and being able to have the ends and 306 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: outs of what a guy's tendencies are, what a team's 307 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: tendencies are, what a coordinator's tendencies are, and these nows 308 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: and distances for a guy that has the strength that 309 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: Treyvonn has to be able to mitigate the damages if 310 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: you will, when you're dealing with a quicker, shiftier, smaller receiver. 311 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: Is that possible? Yeah, he could do the study part, 312 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: But I like I told you to break It's mom 313 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: and dad. You know, Mom and mom and dad made 314 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: him a tall, long rangy player. He didn't, you know, 315 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: he gave him. If you see him when he played, 316 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: he does have a burst when you watch because the ball, 317 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,239 Speaker 1: when the ball goes, his ability to track and then 318 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: to burst to the play. Now initially off the line, 319 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: He's not gonna get you with that. I mean, you 320 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: could kind of get him to separate, but then if 321 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: the ball hangs, he can rally. And that's and that's 322 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: how he makes a lot of his plays. He's in 323 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: better position and a lot and the fact that he 324 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: could finish how many receivers or how many NFL games 325 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: we watch on a weekly basis where ball is tipped 326 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: and it hits you know, I watched Jamal Adams get 327 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: hit right in the face, hit right and hit him 328 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: in the face, and I'm like, going, bro, put your 329 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: hands in. Well that's a turnover going that way. But 330 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: whether the ball it's tipped or is poorly thrown, his 331 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: ability to concentrate and finish and that's a little bit 332 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: of that receiver in him too, Yes, that ability to 333 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: to find it and to finish a lot of these 334 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: quarters in the league. Well, you know, they could have 335 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: six seven interceptions maybe if they just finished by, you know, 336 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: securing the ball. Background will quick you said one question, 337 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: I should have put up two fingers trying to put 338 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: me out of a job. I should have put up 339 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: two fagas background wise, does he have receiver in his Yeah, 340 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: that's his brother is Stefon Diggs, who from And it's 341 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: funny Nick Saban took him when he was at Alabama. 342 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: When Draymond when he went to Alabama, he was a 343 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: wide receiver in Alabama. And Nick Saban who coaches the secondary, 344 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: he's the head coach, but he coaches the secondary at Alabama. Okay, 345 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: so those are his those are his guys. And he 346 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: told Digs, he said, listen, if you trust me, I 347 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: can make you. I could. I could put your corner 348 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: and you'll be just fine. And he you know, he 349 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: didn't want to do it. He said, he cried. Yeah, 350 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: he said, he cried, I don't want to do that. 351 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: But but now you know he's you know, he could 352 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: thank Nick Saban. You know he's on his way to 353 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: having an outstanding career as a corner. Okay, Nate, I 354 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 1: gotta ask you a question. Rockets trying to take my 355 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: job on Wednesday nights. He's doing a lot better job 356 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: these questions asked, and he stay on the defensive side 357 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: of the ball. You've been asking for three years now, 358 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: maybe four for a big space eating guy in the middle. 359 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: And now you've seen Osa, You've seen a little bit 360 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: of Bohannah. Gallimore has kind of not been playing because 361 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: the injury. What do you have that guy? Yet they're 362 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: just okay, they they they just okay. They gotta they 363 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: gotta get man strong. You know Osa can, Yeah, he can. 364 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: I haven't seen Bohanna really do anything. He didn't be 365 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: honest with having And so they got to get manstrong 366 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: and they got to get a little bit more knowledge 367 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: of a game. This is where I think if my 368 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: man is doing his work, Gallimore, he can he can 369 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: be learning off this film on how to do this 370 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: thing in the middle, because if we could ever stop 371 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: the middle of our stop the leak in the middle 372 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: of our defense, the game would change for us. Yeah. 373 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: I don't think this was a particularly good game for 374 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: the linebackers, right and and a lot of it was 375 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: they were fighting blocks, but they were fighting guys in 376 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: their lap. If you were in some of the plays 377 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: some of the running plays. When you watch the All 378 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: twenty two, it's guys are trying to extend. They're not extended. 379 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: Now they're back. The linebackers are pushing off their guys 380 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: trying to get over there. Now they're they're trying to 381 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: tackle a guy with one arm, not really a full 382 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: body or anything like that. Yeah, they've had some games 383 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: where linebackers have been really, really good. I'm including Parsons 384 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: in this one too. Van Rush and Parsons have played 385 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: really well together. But since like last week, that wasn't 386 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,479 Speaker 1: one of their better games. When it came to the 387 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: ball just going down not downhill, but just right at him, 388 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: that was a that was a that was a very problem. 389 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: And they're about to Minnesota can run the ball. You 390 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: know that's Minnesota's gonna try and run the ball. And 391 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: this is where and this is where Mike Zimmer is 392 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: like the old school, you know, he's he's like, I 393 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: don't care first down, running second out, and I don't 394 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,239 Speaker 1: care anyway. He's he's kind of he's got a good 395 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: quarterback in Kirk Cousins. But they're gonna try and test 396 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: you all that rocket. We're on defense. Who on defense? 397 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: Gave you fits what what DBS did. Whenever you looked 398 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: at the schedule, where you like, man, that's gonna be 399 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: a tough matchup for me, Dion. And it depends when 400 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: I was in my receiver development, Like as a receiver 401 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: coming out of college, I came literally I came out 402 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: of a system where my hand was on the ground 403 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: and I was in a three point stand. It's funny 404 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: to watch his tape and stuff I am horrified with 405 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: when I look at myself in college from a receiver position. 406 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: I was a tailback in high school, and then it 407 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: became all right, just let's figure out a way to 408 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: get the ball to him. Once I came gotten into college, 409 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: so my receiver skills were so bootleg. Then I ended 410 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: up going after in Canada, I ended up being I 411 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: had decent numbers, but it was still like the same philosophy, 412 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: just what is available to get the ball in his hands. 413 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: Then when I go to the Raiders, it was like 414 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: certain teams have a certain spirit of characteristic about it. 415 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: So the Raiders were built not only for speed, but 416 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: they were built where it was a veteran team, so 417 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: there were guys that already knew what they were doing. 418 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: I needed to be ideally in a team like say 419 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: to San Francisco forty nine ers who were very detailed 420 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: oriented and what their receivers did. I say all that 421 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: to say I wasn't a full particular, eventual receiver until 422 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: my seventh year in the NFL when I'm in Carolina 423 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: and we get the offensive coordinator, Gil Haish school from 424 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: receivers coach in Gay then he became our offensive coordinator. 425 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: We're in I think it was mini camp at one time, 426 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: and somebody was running a route and he said that's it, 427 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 1: that's it, and he said like six and two, six 428 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: and two, And I was like, well, what, hey, man, 429 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: what is this language is speaking? And he was like, oh, 430 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: six steps in his stem, two steps to get out. 431 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: And I was like, wait what. I didn't know. Literally, 432 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: I'm in the NFL all this time. I did not 433 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: know that outside of a slant, a three steps slant 434 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: or maybe a one step hourro route slant, I didn't 435 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: know that you could count your steps on every route 436 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 1: you run. And then he broke it down to me, 437 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: and instantly I understood why in my day, teams like 438 00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: Green Bay, teams like San Francisco always had a premierly 439 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: in the league receiver, not just the number one guy 440 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: on their teams, but they always had a guy that 441 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: was you never heard of him, but he was always 442 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: amazing and his steps and his routes were precise. Now 443 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: I say that to say, you asked me about what 444 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: DBS gave me issues. Nobody gave me issues. Once I 445 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: understood that, and I was, if you will, declining in 446 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: my growth hormone was starting to the diminish. I could 447 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: feel it. Yeah, I'm getting you the science. I'm getting it, 448 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: the science and everything that was a problem before with 449 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: any dB it was it wasn't a problem anymore. Moving forward. 450 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 1: It was like I could I don't care if you 451 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: was Darryl Green, I don't care if it was Champ Billy. 452 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: I don't care if he was Dion Standings, even though 453 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: I just saw him in practice. So on one time 454 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: in the game when we played them, nobody was giving 455 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: me problems anymore. And then it became okay, who's my quarterback? 456 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: And then who's my offensive coordinating? So it was just 457 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: so one guy did initially, But then after I got 458 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: the knowledge that I should have had back then, oh man, 459 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: it was too bad, Too bad. I didn't have them 460 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: them things floating around the guys who gave in trouble 461 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: with the guys who could count along with him when 462 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: Rocket was one, two three? What did you say, Nate, 463 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 1: that's just too bad if they didn't have them them 464 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: places for the hormones that they got out exactly. Oh yeah, 465 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: that one a lot. Nebraska did that. Yeah, all right, 466 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: let's take you know what, this has been such a 467 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: great show. We're already halfway done. Can you believe that 468 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: we got so much more to talk about it. Let's 469 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: take our take our second break, and when we come back, 470 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: got a lot of stuff to get to with the 471 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: great rocket It. Smile when we come back. You're listening 472 00:28:40,280 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: to the the Cowboys Crossover WBC Mortgages Cowboys Cross Tall check 473 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: our broadcasting live from the Cowboys Club at the Star 474 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: in Frisco. Welcome back to the show. Shannon Gross, Brian 475 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: brought us Nate Newton and Rocket Ismael joining the show 476 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: today and brought us before we get back to it, 477 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: SWBC Mortgage, they're the best you can join the more 478 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: than one hundred and twenty thousand customers that they've helped 479 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: to find their happier way home after the show. Don't 480 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: do like Nate and get on the phone in the 481 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: middle of the show to go. I'm not going to 482 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: just try to make sure about have opportunity to listen, 483 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: but go go look, go to go to SWBC mortgage 484 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: dot com and you can find a pro today. They 485 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: still got that studio downstairs. They do. I've done a 486 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: lot of draft shows down there. You have love those folks. 487 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: Thank you for what they do. Yeah, they provide quite 488 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: the home during the All right, back to the show. 489 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: What do we want to talk about here? Do we 490 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: want to teach you? Write anything down during the show, 491 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: before the show or before the show? No, I's printed 492 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: some stuff out I could. I've had so many different directions. 493 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: I can go with these things I wrote down. Let's 494 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: talk about we mentioned it earlier. Yea rocket. You feel 495 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: really good because of a number of things on offense. Right, 496 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: How do you guys feel about Dak Prescott? I feel 497 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: like Wednesday Wednesday last week, but today's Wednesday Sunday against 498 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: the Patriots. I saw something that I've been waiting to 499 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: see with Dak. I've always had that nervousness like, oh, 500 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: it's always a I don't know if we can go 501 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: win this game. I don't know if he can start 502 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: on his own twenty or thirty and go down the 503 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: field and win a game. I feel like going into 504 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: this year and what he's done on offense taking command 505 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: of the offense, I started feeling better. But I saw 506 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: something on Sunday where it's like, Okay, maybe this is 507 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: the moment where he a mojo mojo, but where he 508 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: did what he had to do. Ugly game, not his 509 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: best game by any means, did what he had to 510 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: do in the moment that he had to do it. 511 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: And I almost felt like I just witnessed what I've 512 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: been needing to see for him to be in that 513 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: elite conversation. Now to Nate's gonna say he's got to 514 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: go win a championship to be elite in his book, 515 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: but I can't because I play with people like James. Right. 516 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,959 Speaker 1: But but did we are we witnessing the Dak Prescott 517 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: entering that top five, top three quarterback conversation? Yeah? You know, 518 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: and I understand why Nate does it. And I grew 519 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: up in Dallas and season ticket holders for the Cowboys 520 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: from nineteen seventy two till nineteen ninety two. So I 521 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: went to work in Green Bay and my dad said, 522 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: I'm not giving Jerry Jones money to beat you, So 523 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: he got rid of the ticket. It really didn't matter, Dad, 524 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 1: We were oh in seven against It just really didn't 525 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: Him and Eric Williams used to take Reggie White for 526 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: rides every once in a while, but no, I love Reggie. 527 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 1: And you know the thing about it is, though, with Dak. 528 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 1: You know, I think every year we see something different 529 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: with Dak And what do you want to have the 530 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: elite conversation Joe where he ranks and people say, oh, 531 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: well he's now in the top three, or he's before 532 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: the season he was eighth or whatever like that. I 533 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: think there's always something with Dak that you you know 534 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: how hard he works and you know how important it 535 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: is to him, and you do see things. I mean, 536 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,800 Speaker 1: I remember things like the ball going down the field, 537 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: the touch, the accuracy, balls behind, balls in front, all's 538 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: too high. But how about just seeing the field. How 539 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: about just kind of having an idea where everybody is, 540 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 1: you know, and we've seen that more this year with Dak. 541 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,479 Speaker 1: I think if you talk about the growth of Dak 542 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,919 Speaker 1: Prescott is As a quarterback, you have to be able 543 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: to that play action game. You have to be able 544 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: to take your eyes away from the defense and come 545 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: back and find where everybody is. I think Dak Prescott 546 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: has done that as well as anybody in the league. 547 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: You know, and you know, think about this that offensive line. 548 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: I mean, the running game has been good, which has helped, 549 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: but you know, the right tackle situation, they haven't always 550 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: been solid. At center. I mean, the left guard had 551 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: some problems last week and he's it doesn't matter. Wait, 552 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna take Michael Gallop out of this thing. Oh hey, 553 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: by the way, you know, you know, Maury Cooper is 554 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: gonna be banged up the whole game. You know, there's 555 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: things that Dak Prescott has just totally overcome and he's 556 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: not allowed this team to fail at it. You know, 557 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 1: he said, Okay, I have to carry us when we're 558 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: not good enough. Some guys have come along and helped him, 559 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: but I think with him, it's never been a question 560 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: about the leadership. It's been mechanics and how would he 561 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 1: see things, and that I think has really really improved 562 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,800 Speaker 1: or him from what I've seen going into this season. 563 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: About you rocket, so for me, any questions about daxability 564 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: and or potential have. I was listening to an interview 565 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: and they were going over, hey, you got to this 566 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: point in your career, and what made you feel like 567 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 1: you you could make it in this league and what 568 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 1: made you and and he was talking about to whoever 569 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,879 Speaker 1: the guy was, he said that when he first got here, 570 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: not being like a premier draft pick, but just kind 571 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: of being a guy, maybe a little more than a guy. 572 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 1: And his number was called and he had to step 573 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: into the huddle with all of the premier guys, the 574 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: first team, and I remember he said, there's something inside 575 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: of him just like Lit and his self talk was 576 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: I belong here, and not only do I belong here, 577 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: I can do this, and understanding over the years that 578 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: I played sports. When people talk about mental toughness or 579 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: leadership mentality, or when people talk about championship mentality, that 580 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: has to be the foundation that has the premier foundation 581 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,879 Speaker 1: has to be I belong here, I can do this, 582 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: and then it's willing to put the work in, which 583 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: he was. So for me, I feel supreme confidence anytime 584 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: Washington's say supreme confidence every time I see him. Like 585 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: I said earlier, take off and start running to something. 586 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: A little bit of anxiety might sneak up on me. 587 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: But outside of that, I am totally thankful that he's 588 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: our quarterback. And I'm also thankful that Kellen and his 589 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: development and his maturity as offensive ordinator. It's like, man, 590 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: I'm seeing creative things happening in the play calling that 591 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: is just like the two of them together. That's a 592 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: legal combination. Man. I love it about ready to Go. 593 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 1: I mean, I will you know. I'll say this though, 594 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: and I think this is where rockets right about it 595 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: because as a former scout, you know, Mississippi State was 596 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: number one in the country for several weeks with Dak 597 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: Prescott at quarterback, and then Scouts after Dak left, Scouts 598 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: went into Mississippi State looking at their program and going, 599 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: we're all these great players, you know, and Dan Mullen 600 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: and him were like, no, it was a quarterback. It 601 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: was a quarterback that did this, and so that just 602 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: kind of shows you. I mean, I remember being at 603 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: camp with Nate, you know, when Kellen Moore got his 604 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: footstepped on, and then all of a sudden it was 605 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,879 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott and we were watching practice and it's like, man, 606 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: the ball is not accurate here, he's not throwing. And 607 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,800 Speaker 1: then we have a pre using game against the Rams, 608 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,399 Speaker 1: the Rams, and it's like bang bang bang bang bang 609 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: down the field. I'm like going, WHOA, where's this guy? 610 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: And then everybody's telling you this guy's a gamer. And 611 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: then so he went from being a gamer to like 612 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: a real NFL quarterback because he developed along the way 613 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: and Rockets right about him and killing Moore. Kellen Moore's 614 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: developed as a play caller, but Dak Prescott has allowed 615 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,399 Speaker 1: him to develop as a play caller as well. This 616 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,359 Speaker 1: is one thing I know one guy, you know, other 617 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: guys a guy, but Gil guys Yeah, no, I'm time 618 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 1: about when it came to Dak be in here. Yeah, 619 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:38,280 Speaker 1: Gil Brand from day one and never backed off. That's 620 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: that's Dallas quarterback from Gail Brand said Nate. We're sitting 621 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: at the table downstairs. He say, Nate, this kid can 622 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 1: play before they drafted him. Yes, sir, wow he and 623 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,879 Speaker 1: I look, I'm like wow, but I've never heard nobody else. Yeah, 624 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 1: you know brought us with my key man. I never 625 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 1: went we talk, no, no, you we interviewed and I 626 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: know we did a documentary on him going to mississipp 627 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 1: State and Dan Mullen was telling us about him not 628 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: getting recruited, you know, like they had to convince. You know, 629 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: he threw the ball all over the place, but you know, 630 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,240 Speaker 1: it just shows you his ability. You know, he built 631 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: the dackyard over in his by his house. You know, 632 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: he's throwing every day. He's getting rallying people. You know, 633 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,280 Speaker 1: you know that's that's what he does. He's like, listen, 634 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,320 Speaker 1: I know I've got to I've got to keep working 635 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: at this. And you know, some some guys just kind 636 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 1: of say, Okay, the ability is there. I'm just gonna 637 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 1: not worry about it. He knows he has to work 638 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: every single day and he and he does. He's remarkable 639 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,879 Speaker 1: in that way. The sad thing about this and I'm 640 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 1: never gonna forget this, And if you want to, always 641 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:41,280 Speaker 1: think of that. Whenever Dack has had at least one 642 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: good receiver, a decent offensive line, and they running back, 643 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: tell me when has he failed? Yeah, he's never failed 644 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 1: when he's at it one good There's a lot of 645 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: quarterbacks but no, there's a lot of guys like, oh, guys, 646 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 1: I got nothing. But I'm saying he knows he's never failed. Now, 647 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 1: he never failed, you know now, that kid that you 648 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: love with with with the charges, I love that kid. 649 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 1: He I've never seen him fail. Yeah, I'll tell you 650 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: what though, you never seen him, but he's the first 651 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: you know, the game at the Ravens though. That was 652 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: an eye opener. FA you get what I'm saying. Some 653 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 1: guys you don't see fail. Yeah, and Dak's got the 654 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 1: the off the field stuff that you look for too. 655 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 1: You know it's it's he's a guy's guy. The guys 656 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: love him there, gravitate towards him, like they beat him. 657 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 1: My house beat him. He wouldn't get in trouble, so 658 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 1: I yeah, come to my house to work out. Yeah, 659 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: I got Hartfield. He took Antonio Brown and said come 660 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 1: to live with me. Yeah, yeah, I'll throw Yeah, he goes. 661 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 1: I don't know about that, Mike Evans, but I know 662 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 1: I know this guy. The slot could pay a little bit. 663 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:51,319 Speaker 1: He almost run after the Come on, man, Rocket, who 664 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: is your Who is your favorite teammate that you ever 665 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 1: had over the years. My favorite teammate, man, I would 666 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: have to say when I was with the Raiders. H 667 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: probably when I first got there. Willie Galt because he 668 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 1: took me under his wing and I was on it 669 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,760 Speaker 1: like the same wavelength as far as just eating healthy 670 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 1: and chiropractic right looking looking for and he essentially showed 671 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 1: me the town of la showed me all the different 672 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,439 Speaker 1: practitioners to go to to keep my body and work 673 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: in order. And then I would say Vince Evans would 674 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: be like and the reason why or Vince because I 675 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 1: could feel his when I got into the hudd or 676 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,240 Speaker 1: if he came in with with the with the first guys, 677 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 1: I could feel his vibes and energy towards me. Like man, 678 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: he loved to throw it deep and he's like, rock, 679 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna get that. He threw me. He threw me 680 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: my first NFL touchdown to my first game against the 681 00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs, and so it was like so that 682 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: that's the Raiders. And then when I got to Carolina, Uh, 683 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 1: I had a bunch of Notre Dame former Notre Game guys. 684 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: Anthony Johnson was there, Pat Taro there, Ros Smith was there, 685 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: and Kennon Tatum was there, and Steve Burlin, primarily of 686 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 1: all of them, was there. Steve Burline was a part 687 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,800 Speaker 1: of helping to restore my confidence as an NFL receiver 688 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,879 Speaker 1: and me being able to see, okay, with a real 689 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 1: leader and with a real quarterback, and why teams keep 690 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: veteran quarterbacks at the backup position and how important that 691 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: actually is and so uh that group of guys. And 692 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: then by the time I got the Dallas man, it 693 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,440 Speaker 1: was just like everybody like when Mike was here, like 694 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 1: he was he was my man um. Then he went 695 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,479 Speaker 1: down and I saw how important he was to the team. 696 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,799 Speaker 1: The end of the Dallas Cowboys as we knew it 697 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,359 Speaker 1: when he was laying on the field. That was there. Man, 698 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 1: let me tell you something that I knew it too, 699 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 1: and I was in scouting. I knew it were done. 700 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,359 Speaker 1: Oh I want to know exactly. Okay, Okay, I want 701 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,040 Speaker 1: to say, and we gotta take our last break. Pay 702 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,879 Speaker 1: a couple of bills, all right when we come back. 703 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 1: Gotta pay rocket. Yeah, so we will feed right back. 704 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 1: Hold that thought. Rocket. You're listening to the Dallas Cowboys 705 00:44:15,640 --> 00:47:19,800 Speaker 1: Cross Talk on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. Back to 706 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:25,240 Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgages Cowboys cross Talk check the broadcasting live 707 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,080 Speaker 1: from the Cowboys Club at the Star in Frisco. Welcome 708 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,120 Speaker 1: back to the show. Shannon Gross, Brian broad Us, Nate Newton, 709 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,720 Speaker 1: and Rocket Smael joining the show tonight for the last 710 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:42,239 Speaker 1: and final segment in Nate Swbcpeo helping to alleviate the 711 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 1: HR administrative burden that comes with running a business. Leave 712 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,200 Speaker 1: the wording to them, Nate, visit not right now. Please 713 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,719 Speaker 1: don't pick your phone up, because I know we lose 714 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,719 Speaker 1: you when you pick your phone up. Visit swbcpeo dot 715 00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 1: com to find out more after the show. It's appropriate 716 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,879 Speaker 1: that you would did the HR thing the Nate is it? Yeah, 717 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:06,880 Speaker 1: he's an HR problem. Wow, I just can't move with 718 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,000 Speaker 1: everybody's can type so fast. I'd be like, I'll tell 719 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,480 Speaker 1: you what. He tries to sit out a tweet and 720 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,919 Speaker 1: it's a semit before he gets it out before the show, 721 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 1: I will say this. I get, you know the thing, 722 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 1: the butt dial. Yeah, I get more butt dials from 723 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,799 Speaker 1: Nate than anybody else. And you never hear any interesting conversation. 724 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,800 Speaker 1: Just hang up. I just I know when he calls, 725 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,320 Speaker 1: I'm like Nate, and I don't hear anything, and I 726 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 1: just I mean hanging up if he doesn't say anything 727 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,919 Speaker 1: in the first But I get it's a funny I'm sorry, 728 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 1: brought us. He'll call it. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Does 729 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,680 Speaker 1: he call you back when he realizes that he has Yeah, 730 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,440 Speaker 1: he has to say it like zero, Man, you have 731 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,920 Speaker 1: a question for this young man? I do. Why are 732 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,600 Speaker 1: you trying to do my everybody's trying to take my 733 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:53,239 Speaker 1: Wednesday night gig away from me? Get you if he 734 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,440 Speaker 1: hasn't asked it one question under thirty seconds that we 735 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,040 Speaker 1: ain't got much ta got. It's a race between him 736 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,399 Speaker 1: and because we we only got an eight minutes rocket. 737 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,799 Speaker 1: You were talking about Michael Irvin and the impact that 738 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,319 Speaker 1: he had on you as a teammate. So just to 739 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,600 Speaker 1: your point, Brian, when you were looking at it and 740 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,759 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, man, he went down, but this is 741 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:17,720 Speaker 1: not good. When I got here, I in the NFL, 742 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,480 Speaker 1: there are a lot of alpha males, and I mean 743 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,000 Speaker 1: but a lot of them are what I would call 744 00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:27,680 Speaker 1: immature alpha mels who don't have the ability to understand 745 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,040 Speaker 1: how to apply to the strength and the potency of 746 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,480 Speaker 1: their spirit in the right way on the team so 747 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:39,000 Speaker 1: that the team could reach their maximum potential. Man, Mike 748 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,720 Speaker 1: was masterful at that. I remember how when we were 749 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,160 Speaker 1: in Washington and it was the first game of the season, 750 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,959 Speaker 1: and we're in the huddle, man, and we were down. 751 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:56,160 Speaker 1: We were down twenty one, crazy twenty one points going 752 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,759 Speaker 1: into the fourth quarter. Bad. And and I just remember 753 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 1: Mike just started with Troy. He just started taking over 754 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,400 Speaker 1: in a good way. And I remember we'd being in 755 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,319 Speaker 1: the huddle. He'd like, here comes up, the players coming in. 756 00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,319 Speaker 1: So while Troy's listening to the play before the play, 757 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 1: before Troy told everybody to play, Mike would be like, boy, 758 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,480 Speaker 1: look I'm gonna give him an instep. He's playing on 759 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,520 Speaker 1: my inside. I'm gonna give him a little at the 760 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,800 Speaker 1: seventh step and I'm gonna come back on it with 761 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,120 Speaker 1: a skinny rot post. And it was just like and 762 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:35,439 Speaker 1: and literally Troy Blake. But but then the player would work. 763 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,919 Speaker 1: He would throw them exactly like he said he would show, 764 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,319 Speaker 1: he would show love. He would And it's the thing. 765 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,480 Speaker 1: He knew how to reprimand some guys, and then he 766 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,919 Speaker 1: knew some guys that they didn't need to be reprimanded. 767 00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,360 Speaker 1: They needed mercy to be shown to him. And he 768 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,359 Speaker 1: loved And it was like when I looked at I 769 00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,200 Speaker 1: was like, Michael Irvin is the Dallas Cowboys. This says 770 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,799 Speaker 1: to how they got to be with it and all 771 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,439 Speaker 1: the other pieces. It was like he was the main cock. 772 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,080 Speaker 1: And so I agree with you when he went down. Yeah, man, 773 00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,919 Speaker 1: we were there. We were three and l and when 774 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,600 Speaker 1: he was laying on the field, we became an eight 775 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,920 Speaker 1: and eighteen. Man. Is that is that something Mike was 776 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,560 Speaker 1: born with or did he practice it? Did he study 777 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,920 Speaker 1: one with it and he went to practicing. I'm serious. 778 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,879 Speaker 1: He was born with his dad as a preacher because 779 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,080 Speaker 1: the baptistry, So he had a spirit. That spirit, that's 780 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,799 Speaker 1: where that's where that power came. He saw his father, Yeah, 781 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,280 Speaker 1: he saw his father during the week work on rufs, 782 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,600 Speaker 1: tard and rufs and stuff. And then on Sunday mornings, Saturday, 783 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,680 Speaker 1: late Sat going into Sunday morning, he would get up 784 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,919 Speaker 1: and drive the Georgia and preach and come back down 785 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,799 Speaker 1: to Miami. So he was tough. Yeah, like Irvan. Yeah, 786 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,399 Speaker 1: so you know he he had it in it, man, 787 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,520 Speaker 1: his dad annoying him. Dad told me you any to 788 00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:59,719 Speaker 1: take care of your eighty five brothers, and so that's 789 00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:04,359 Speaker 1: why get that feel of being poor? You know? So absolutely, man, 790 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,000 Speaker 1: I just I used to trying to tell people Troy 791 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,360 Speaker 1: was our man. He was our guy, he was our leader, 792 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,440 Speaker 1: but the heart of the Cowboys. Yes, yes, what are you? 793 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,640 Speaker 1: What are you? We got about probably about four or 794 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,600 Speaker 1: five minutes here. What let's go around the table. We've 795 00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,560 Speaker 1: seen we're five and one day or five and one. 796 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,960 Speaker 1: I keep saying we five and one? Do we know 797 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,960 Speaker 1: what this team is? And what are the expectations? Because 798 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,600 Speaker 1: this team's all in the recent history, they struggled with 799 00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,080 Speaker 1: a quote unquote identity, right, feel like they have one 800 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,040 Speaker 1: now at least they're developing one. What are your rocket 801 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,040 Speaker 1: to start with you, what are your expectations for the 802 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,799 Speaker 1: rest of the season, and you know, what is this team? All? Right? 803 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:53,120 Speaker 1: So my expectations are that every challenge, whether it's the 804 00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:58,320 Speaker 1: other team or if there's a shoot yourself in the 805 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,040 Speaker 1: foot situation and you gotta dig yourself out of the hole, 806 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:08,160 Speaker 1: my expectations are that every challenge, the Cowboys will meet 807 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:13,960 Speaker 1: more of the challenges than they won't. So that's my answer. 808 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,560 Speaker 1: I'm keeping this acinct. Next time ahead, Yeah, I tell 809 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,440 Speaker 1: you what, this team has proven that they have the personnel, 810 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,000 Speaker 1: they have the coaching staff. You know, when you start 811 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,520 Speaker 1: to talk, if they went toe to toe with the 812 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,080 Speaker 1: defending Super Bowl champs. You're gonna have to look at 813 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,480 Speaker 1: the Packers. You're gonna have to look at the Buccaneers. 814 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,520 Speaker 1: You're gonna probably have to look at the Cardinals. You're 815 00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,640 Speaker 1: gonna have to look at the Rams. I mean, you're 816 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,120 Speaker 1: gonna have to beat probably two of those teams. This 817 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,839 Speaker 1: team is capable of doing that. I mean, they're gonna 818 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,560 Speaker 1: get better. I think defensively, they're gonna get some players back, 819 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,239 Speaker 1: but scheme wise, they're really really good. They're sound on that. Offensively, 820 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,399 Speaker 1: they're hard to stop, and I think when you talk 821 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,640 Speaker 1: about a well coached team with the right personnel, you know, 822 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,319 Speaker 1: the attitude around the team I think is really really good. 823 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,680 Speaker 1: The players play hard for each other and if you 824 00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,560 Speaker 1: keep doing that though, they'll keep finding ways to in games, 825 00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,520 Speaker 1: and at the end of the year, you know, ultimately 826 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,400 Speaker 1: you can get to where you need to be. I mean, 827 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:05,919 Speaker 1: as I was part of a Super Bowl winning team 828 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,640 Speaker 1: in Green Bay and it just seemed like, from from 829 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,920 Speaker 1: the middle of the season on, we were not going 830 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,000 Speaker 1: to get beat. And this team has that kind of 831 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,960 Speaker 1: demeanor and that kind of attitude about them. If our 832 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,960 Speaker 1: defense find out who they really are, I understand eternals. 833 00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,360 Speaker 1: They are great. I wish they never stop what they 834 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,239 Speaker 1: may stop if they find out who they are and 835 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,359 Speaker 1: the middle of v defense can bond. If the middle 836 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,920 Speaker 1: defense ever bond, we will be unstop. I just believe that. 837 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,520 Speaker 1: That's strong words from day do because you don't normally 838 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,600 Speaker 1: talk like that. Yeah, if we can just bond man well. Defense. 839 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,680 Speaker 1: They're very much like the teams that when when Green 840 00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,680 Speaker 1: Bay played against the Cowboys in the early nineties Super 841 00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,839 Speaker 1: Bowl teams they would just physically they would beat you up. 842 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,080 Speaker 1: They would they would get a lead and then they 843 00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,680 Speaker 1: would run the ball or they would You just couldn't 844 00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,200 Speaker 1: stop everything they were doing. Yeah, we had great players 845 00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,200 Speaker 1: in Green Bay, not as great at players as they 846 00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,160 Speaker 1: were in Dallas. I think this team, Nate's right. Defensively, 847 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,120 Speaker 1: they continue to grow, figure things out, get some guys 848 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,200 Speaker 1: back healthy. You know they've got they've got a great shot. 849 00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,400 Speaker 1: Last question before we get out of here, start with you, 850 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,880 Speaker 1: Nate on this one. Who is your MVP of the 851 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:19,280 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys so far this season? Will McClay Will mcclell, 852 00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,040 Speaker 1: what he's done. I love what he's done with the 853 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,919 Speaker 1: pro We're going out getting free agents going out getting 854 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,440 Speaker 1: free agent and all of the guys that helped draft 855 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,600 Speaker 1: these these young guys. I really like that. I'm serious, 856 00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,640 Speaker 1: without this, without that coach along with coach Queen, they 857 00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,279 Speaker 1: fit in there. That's yeah, real quick for me. Yeah, 858 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do something different like Nate dan Quinn. Yeah, 859 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,600 Speaker 1: he's come in and put something together. I thought he 860 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,839 Speaker 1: was gonna have to do it with smoking mirrors, But man, 861 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,880 Speaker 1: they're playing. They're playing well. They're giving up some plays, 862 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,000 Speaker 1: but overall making people turn over, you know, finding ways 863 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,600 Speaker 1: to get off the field, that's what you gotta do. 864 00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,359 Speaker 1: I'm going I'm gonna have to say the combination of 865 00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,560 Speaker 1: Kellen Moore and Dak Prescott. That combination, to me would 866 00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,879 Speaker 1: be who I would vote for. Why are y'all looking 867 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,320 Speaker 1: at me? You want to answer exactly? Yeah, Well you 868 00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,239 Speaker 1: know you you want that little guy that's on the 869 00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,640 Speaker 1: you don't have a series, stop it stop. You know what. 870 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Dak, Dak Prescott because I think 871 00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,719 Speaker 1: he's the one the one guy that I mean, you 872 00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,239 Speaker 1: can go a lot of different directions, he's the one 873 00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:22,440 Speaker 1: guy I think he put Dak puts it all together, 874 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,239 Speaker 1: and I feel like you now, I feel like he 875 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:30,160 Speaker 1: can do anything. Man so brought us Nate Rockets. Mael 876 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,160 Speaker 1: was our special guest tonight. This was a fun show. Rocket. 877 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,520 Speaker 1: You can come back anytime. And if I ever can't 878 00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,560 Speaker 1: make it on Wednesday night, I'm calling you, calling you 879 00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,920 Speaker 1: right out of the game. You know where we're at. Yeah, 880 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,600 Speaker 1: now you know? All right? Thank you guys. This has 881 00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:50,719 Speaker 1: been Cowboys Crosstalk on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. This 882 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,640 Speaker 1: has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and 883 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,600 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.