1 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Normally normal takes, but when the movie gets weird, I 2 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: am the. 3 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: Pic and I am Carol Marcowitz. How are you doing, 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 2: Mary Catherine? 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: Pretty good? We got got a little case of pink 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: guye in the house. It's not me, it's not me. 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: That's a plus. But how long will it not be me? 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: We'll see. I took the offending child immediately to the 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: doctor to get him immediately medicated so he could be 10 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: immediately not passing it to everyone in the house fingers crossed. 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: The sheets and pillowcases are in the wash. 12 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 2: That's really you know. That's the best you could do here. 13 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: There's not much more that that's possible. But I wish 14 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: you peace and containment. 15 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. We'll do our best. Everybody washed their. 16 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: Hands, everybody extra wash their hands. All right, let's get 17 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 2: into it. Our first story is that we had our 18 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 2: very first detransitioner case when in court, a New York 19 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: jury awarded a woman who is now twenty two years old, 20 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: who sued her psychologist and surgeon because they pushed her, 21 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 2: she says, into addressing her gender dysphoria with permanent surgery. 22 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 2: She had astectomy because of their urging. A New York 23 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 2: jury awarded her two million dollars in the first medical 24 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: malpractice suit of its kind to go to trial. It 25 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: is a very big deal and it really does feel 26 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 2: like a dam breaking. 27 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: Yes, and we will talk about the downstream effects of 28 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: this that are already happening. But Benjamin Ryan, who reports 29 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: regularly on this stuff, and it's a great follow I 30 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: believe he is at freak beIN Ryan Writer if you 31 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: want to follow him on Twitter. But he's somebody who 32 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: documents this stuff regularly. He writes the t WHI was 33 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: anchored by emotional testimony from Varian, the young woman and 34 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: her mother, Claire Deacon. Varian testified that one of her 35 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: doctors served as an enabler, repeatedly assuring her that the 36 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: mistectomy she desired would greatly improve her well being. Her 37 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: mother testified that that same doctor browbeat her into consenting 38 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: to her daughter's surgery, threatening that she would otherwise commit suicide. 39 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: And yet the young woman Varian so that she regretted 40 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: the surgery immediately after removing the bandages. Her mother were 41 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: called she was still anxious, she was still depressed, She 42 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: still had all the same issues, some of which even 43 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 1: worsened every part of this is all the things that 44 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: we know have been happening in gender medicine, particularly with minors. 45 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: This psychologist treated her for years, knew about her depression, 46 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: knew about her anxiety, knew about a possible autism. Part 47 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: of this story, nonetheless, just sort of fudges the whole 48 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: process and pushes her through. Doesn't even put gender dysphoria 49 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: as the required diagnosis. By the way, in the notes, Yeah, 50 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: passes her along door a surgeon and look at he split, like, 51 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: there you go. Meanwhile, like I said, bullying this poor 52 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: mother who is being yelled at. She said, she testified 53 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: she was yelled at by the psychologist saying, you're not 54 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: in reality, mom m. I think she was in reality. 55 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 2: She was very much in reality and they were not. 56 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: And the thing was at the time that there was 57 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: only one opinion allowed. What was the book that Mary 58 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: Catherine Hammond guy Benson wrote? 59 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 1: End of discussion? 60 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,399 Speaker 2: It was the end of discussion. It was like, you're 61 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: not allowed to have any further arguments here. This is 62 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: the way it's done. This is the way we're going 63 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: to do it. If you say anything, you're out of line. 64 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: I'd say this often, but I would used to consider 65 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: myself somebody who is protrans now, never to get surgery 66 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: for kids, never to have any medical intervention. But if 67 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: a little boy thinks that he's a girl. I was 68 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: very like loose about the idea where I would say, 69 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: you know, definitely, don't change their name or anything like that. 70 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: But who cares my son thought he was Batman. It 71 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: doesn't mean we turned him into Batman. But now I 72 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: realize that you can't give these people an inch, because 73 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: this is where it ends up. I had to call 74 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: him in the New York Post about this on Tuesday. 75 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: And it's not just the people who get surgery. I 76 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: talked about a the transitioner who had breastbinding and now 77 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 2: has lifelong issues, lives in pain in her twenties. Now 78 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: you know, she says, my upper body is permanently disfigured. 79 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: The idea that it's just surgery is simply wrong. Other 80 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 2: problems they There was a big study about women who 81 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: took testosterone and now in their twenties have postmenopausal symptoms 82 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 2: that are you know, gruesome, and they can't live their 83 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: lives normally. And so there's all of this medical intervention 84 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 2: that the kind of normal people who were just going 85 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: along with their lives, and would you know a lot 86 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: of themselves as easy on trends, realize that we can't be. 87 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: We can't be because this is where it ends up. 88 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: Well and the reason we can't be. Okay. So, first's 89 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: there's the thing that the liberal interest groups and causes 90 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: always do, which is this thing isn't happening. It's only 91 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: happening a little bit. Oh, you must celebrate that it's happening. Oh, 92 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: you must pay for it happening, or you're a bigot. Right, 93 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: this is the process, right, Well, they did that with 94 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: minor gender transition surgeries and treatment and hormone blocking in 95 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: all of that, pretended like it wasn't happening, pretended like 96 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: it was only happening a little bit. It's happened thousands 97 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: of times to thousands of minors. These are not it's 98 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: not really in dispute at this point. And after this 99 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: judgment came down, many predicted that this would open a 100 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 1: dam and it seems to have. And the reason is that. Okay, 101 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: So I asked an expert in this who's been following 102 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: this for a long time, like, why did it take 103 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: this long to get a metaical malpractice to trial. We 104 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: are a very religious society. Medical malpractice is a huge 105 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: deal in our society. And yet this happened. And the 106 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: reason is because the medical official consensus did not allow 107 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: for any discussion, it did not allow for dissent. They 108 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: all with almost no evidence, just said this is what 109 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: you have to do, this is what you must push 110 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: people towards. And Ryan notes that the mantra quote all 111 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: major medical associations support gender affirming care for kids was 112 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: always a hallowed claim, a hollow claim. What it really 113 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: meant is that quote a few small committees, that a 114 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: few organizations decided to support this in part because of 115 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: one another, and all the other small committees at all 116 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: the other organizations followed their lead. But that meant that 117 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: you created this false consensus. And then one broke the pack. 118 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: This week it was the American Society of Plastic Surgeons 119 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: said nope, this is not recommended for young people. And 120 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: then National Review called up the American Medical Association and 121 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: they were also, like the AMA, agrees with the ASPS 122 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: that surgical interventions and minors should be generally deferred to adulthood. 123 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: This is a major shift, and it shatters this fake 124 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: consensus that existed. 125 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the stats that I came up with 126 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 2: in my column was at thirty seven hundred American adolescents 127 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: age twelve to eighteen underwent surgical interventions due to gender 128 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 2: dysphoria diagnosis between twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, So thirty 129 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: seven hundred kids in the USA in just those four years. 130 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: And I had comments on X of people being like, 131 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: only thirty seven hundred and we're making such a big 132 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: deal about this. We cut off breasts off of healthy 133 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: teenage girls because they were delusional and thought they could 134 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:58,239 Speaker 2: become boys, and their medical professionals around them enforced that like, yeah, 135 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: thirty seven hundred people is quite a lot. 136 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: Actually, Yeah, when you are literally intentionally impairing maybe people's 137 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: bodies with your medical degree, yes, that is a problem, 138 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: and there are thousands of them. I am shocked that 139 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: it took us this long to get here, and that 140 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: this sort of circular logic of yes, this is the 141 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: treatment with almost no evidence survived this long. Part of 142 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: it is the societal psychosis of twenty twenty to twenty 143 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: twenty three, and it made it very hard to question 144 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: these things. But I appreciate all the people who did, 145 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: particularly Abigail Schreyer, who wrote one of the early accounts 146 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: of how this was becoming a social contagent because there 147 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: is a small percentage that experienced gendernice for you in 148 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: a real way as young kids, right, that is diagnosable, 149 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: but it was vanishingly small numbers and boys until it 150 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: became a social contagent. And Abigail Shier wrote Irreversible Damage, 151 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: which was actually a banned book, not the fake band 152 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: books that left say when we take them out of 153 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: like elementary school libraries. Yeah, this is an actually banned 154 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: book that they took off of Amazon at one point 155 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: to attempt to stop the distribution of it. So I 156 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: always appreciate people like her having done that. By the way, 157 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: at this lawsuit, Benjamin Ryan notes that at one point 158 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,479 Speaker 1: one of them, the president elect of World Professional Association 159 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: for Transgender Health wit PATH, which is the organization that 160 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: created this consensus, was like, yeah, they really pushed this 161 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: real fast, and it did not contain went beyond even 162 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: what this pro trans organization was doing. In fact, the 163 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: psychologist and this really makes me angry about psychologists taking 164 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: care of young people who have real problems. The psychologist's 165 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: first note after she noted her gender fluidity was that 166 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: he needed to look into what needs to happen to 167 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: have top surgery. That was the first note on gender sickstic. 168 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, of it too. Obviously, Again that's just surgeries. There's 169 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: been so much other harm done to people. The thing 170 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 2: is that they lead them to believe that they could 171 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: change their biological sex, and you just never can. So 172 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 2: you could dress as the opposite gender, you can call 173 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: yourself by a different name, you can't change your sex. 174 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: And I think that a lot of these people go 175 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 2: into this not realizing that, thinking that they will become 176 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: a boy because they cut off their breasts, and when 177 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 2: they don't, when they inevitably don't, I think that's what 178 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: causes people to get into an even deeper depression. And 179 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: there's a lot of studies that show that they get 180 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 2: even more suicidal. 181 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 1: So or the idea that any of this is when 182 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: with informed consent, you hear stories from people who went 183 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: on testosterone and they're they're told about some real surface 184 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: issues like oh, your voice will get deeper. Well, also, 185 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: your larynx is going to thicken and it's going to 186 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: cause problems. And then the idea that these sort of 187 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: newly formed neo Genitalia are going to function in the 188 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: way that you wish they would is is just always 189 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: seemed like a fantasy to me, as this entire process does. 190 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: And I look forward to many more medical professionals admitting, yeah, 191 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: this is not the right way. 192 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 3: Now. 193 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: Will anyone admit that they got this horribly wrong for 194 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: so long right now, bullied people over it. And I 195 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 1: mean imagine us having this conversation in twenty twenty one, 196 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: by the. 197 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 2: Way, Yeah, yeah, our careers would be in trouble. I mean, 198 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: Bethany Mandela and I had trouble publishing our books Stolen 199 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: Youth because of the trans chapter. And we're not taking 200 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 2: it to mainstream publishers. I'm talking conservative publishers wanted us 201 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: to cut that chapter. That's where we were just a 202 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 2: few years ago. 203 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: Jeez, well this is it took too long, but it 204 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: is nice to see people coming to their sense on this. 205 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,119 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. 206 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 2: With more on normally and Nicki Minaj. Let's just keep 207 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 2: talking about Nicki Minaj, be right back. 208 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: All right back on normally. As Carol said with yet 209 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: another Nicki Minaj story, because she keeps coming up pro 210 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: all of the Trump accounts earlier. Now it is voter ID. 211 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: She tweeted the other day, what sensible, forward thinking, cutting edge, 212 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: leading nation is having a debate on whether or not 213 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: there should be voter idea ID, Like they're actually fighting 214 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: not to have people present ID while voting for your leaders. 215 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: Do you get it? Do you get it now? So 216 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: this is all part of a larger discussion about how 217 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: we run elections. President Trump, in frustration, told Dan Bongino 218 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: the other day that Republicans need to just take over 219 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: elections from fifteen states. He did not designate which states 220 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: they were. Carol Levitt, the White House Press Secretary, was 221 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: later asked about this because generally the conservative position is 222 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: that you should not federalize elections, You should not nationalize elections, 223 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: that those are handled by locals. Caroline Levitt said, I 224 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: don't know which. She didn't mention which states he was 225 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: talking about, but she said he is talking about the 226 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: Save Act, which would require proof of citizenship in person 227 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: to register to vote instead of the pretty fly by 228 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: night motor voter and not required to be in person 229 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: checks in many states. Now, I am not in favor 230 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: of the nationalizing the elections part, but the voter ID 231 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: part is not only sensible but hugely popular, which she 232 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: would easy goal. 233 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes no sense, Like I mean, I just 234 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: feel like the average person will hear the question should 235 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 2: we show ID to vote? And it's like, duh, obviously 236 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: we should show ID to vote. She's show ID for 237 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: everything else, you know, Come on, And this ongoing extremely 238 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: racist idea that black people can't get ID for some 239 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 2: reason is just ridiculous. They have ID for everything else. 240 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 2: You need ID to at your kid's school. You need ID, 241 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: I mean, to buy alcohol, you need ID to drive, 242 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 2: You need ID for everything. Why not for voting? 243 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 244 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: Also, many were quick to point out that the HR 245 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: one in twenty twenty one under biden number one priority 246 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: was that they wanted to nationalize elections. Of course, of course, 247 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: now they're very mad that Trump has said it. But 248 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. 249 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: The nationalizing elections just seems like a bad idea because 250 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: some states Florida do amazing with their elections and it 251 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: can't become better nationalizing it. So I don't know that part. 252 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: I think is just a bad idea for now. But 253 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: I yeah, we don't do anything that well nationally. 254 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: No I agree with. What I would do is like 255 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: a pilot program where Ron de Santis just flies all 256 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: over the country or Jeff Bush and just explains to people, 257 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: this is how we do this. 258 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 2: What is Jeb up to right now? Just come back? 259 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: Send him out. Yeah, but I do think this is 260 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: an interesting case study on how the media will tell you. Actually, 261 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: the gender stuff is interesting too. In this way, the 262 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: media will tell you that you are a weirdo for 263 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: thinking that people should present ID to vote, or that 264 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: we should know if people are citizens before they vote. 265 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: And yet Harry inton Over at CNN does a deep 266 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: dive on the opinions of the American people on this issue. 267 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: Let's hear from him. This is like a two minute clip, 268 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: but I want you to see the arc of the 269 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,479 Speaker 1: never changing popularity of this issue. 270 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 3: Voter i D, just so people understand, is the idea 271 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 3: that someone shows a photo ID when they go to vote, 272 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 3: when they go to cast their actual battle because there's 273 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 3: a separate discussion right now about needing a passport or 274 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 3: a birth certificate to register to vote, but the polling 275 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 3: is all on voter i D. 276 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: Showing an ID to. 277 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 4: Vote, showing a phone to ID to vote, and the 278 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 4: American people are with Nicki Minaj, because what are we 279 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 4: talking about here? So take a look here, favorite voter 280 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 4: idea to vote. Look, I got all this polling on 281 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 4: the screen, going back since twenty eighteen. You'll notice on 282 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 4: all of it, it's all north of seventy five percent, 283 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 4: seventy six percent, seventy six percent, seventy six percent, eighty 284 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 4: one percent, and then eighty three percent in the last 285 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 4: year of Americans agree with Nicki Minaj. They favor photo 286 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 4: ID to be able to vote. 287 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 3: What about by party? 288 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 4: What's the party berg? Yeah, normally you might expect, hey, 289 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 4: there'd be a big divide by party, but Republicans really 290 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 4: fording Democrats really against it. But not really here. I mean, 291 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 4: just take a look here, favorite photo idea vote. You 292 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 4: got ninety five percent of Republicans, pretty much all of them, 293 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 4: but even seventy one percent of Democrats favorite photo ID 294 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 4: to vote. So again Nicki Minaj posting that on X 295 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 4: And what you see is is that the American people, actually, 296 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 4: it's not really all that controversial. The American people are 297 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 4: with Nicki Minaj, whether they are Republican or even if 298 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 4: they are Democrats, who are talking about seven and ten 299 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 4: Democrats agreeing with Nicki Minaj that you, in fact should 300 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 4: show a voter photo. 301 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: ID to vote. 302 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 3: What's the racial breakdown? 303 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 4: Okay, what's the racial breakdown on this right? Because I 304 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 4: think a lot of people make the argument that people 305 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 4: of color, non white Americans have a harder time procuring 306 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 4: a photo ID to vote. But even here, take a 307 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 4: look here, favorite photo ID to vote. Eighty five percent 308 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 4: of white people favorite, eighty two percent of Latino, seventy 309 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 4: six percent of Black Americans favorite. So the bottom line 310 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 4: is this voter ID is not controversial in this country. 311 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 4: A photo ID to vote is not controversial in this country. 312 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 4: It is not controversial by party, and it is not 313 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 4: controversial by race. The vast majority of Americans agree with 314 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 4: Nicki Minaj that, in fact, you should have a photo 315 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 4: ID to be able to vote. 316 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 3: So something of a nontroversy. 317 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: That was very good. 318 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 4: The alliteration of mister John Berman that Harvard education paying 319 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 4: off once. 320 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 2: Again, Yeah, not controversial? Why would it be? And I 321 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: would love to know the people who don't support it 322 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 2: is it because they have bought the lie that black 323 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: people don't know how to get voter ID. 324 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 1: It's my favorite part about this is that it turns 325 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: out seventy to eighty five percent of black and brown 326 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: people think they are capable of getting IDs. 327 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:09,719 Speaker 2: Right because they do it already. 328 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: Hell, white libs definitely think they're not capable. 329 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: They're not sure. 330 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, but the people themselves are like, we got this, Yeah, 331 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: we're fine. 332 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 2: So I moved, you know, from New York where you 333 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:22,959 Speaker 2: don't need to show an ID, you just need to 334 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 2: sign your name. And the thing is they present you 335 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 2: with your own signature to show you how to do it. 336 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 2: They're like, here's your signature. Can you copy it right here? 337 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: It's just like yeah. 338 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 2: And then in Florida when I went to vote it, 339 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 2: they look at your ID. I signed my name, They're like, 340 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 2: can you do it one more time? Because it's not 341 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 2: how you did it on your ID because my signature 342 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 2: is mostly just a scribble. Yeah, I had to redo it. 343 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 2: Because they take voter integrity seriously. They take it election 344 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 2: integrity seriously. They don't want people voting who are not 345 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 2: supposed to be voting. It's just that simple. 346 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: Well, and this is we have voter idea in plenty 347 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: of places. It goes fine. Georgia is a place where 348 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: voter turnout continues to go up. Democrats, you may have noticed, 349 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: have won several Senate seats and even in the state 350 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: in many cases recently. It is not preventing people from voting. 351 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: It is not Jim Eagle, as Joe Biden said, one 352 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: of the stupidest and most dishonest media stories of the 353 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: past couple of years. And I know it's hard to choose, 354 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: but that Georgia voting, oh yeah, while being somehow problematic 355 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: and causing all that trouble, it wasn't problematic. Everything's fine. 356 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: And this is yet another example of how the media 357 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: can convince you that you're on the wrong side of 358 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,239 Speaker 1: an issue, when in fact, basically everyone agrees with you. 359 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: Do you remember. 360 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 2: Sports tournaments pulled out of playing in Georgia, Like people 361 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 2: said that they wouldn't be making movies in Georgia over 362 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: that law. 363 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 5: Like nothing happened, if I remember correctly, the All Star 364 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 5: Game went from Atlanta to Colorado, which had had the 365 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 5: same laws. 366 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: Delaware at the time, Joe Biden's home state had stricter 367 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: laws than Georgia did. 368 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 2: Right, everything was so performative. We're going to look back 369 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 2: at that whole era. I mean we're already looking back 370 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 2: at that whole era and being like, wow, that. 371 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 1: Was We had erazy time to look at it in 372 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: real time, which is why we do a show called Normally. 373 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 2: But right back with more on Normally and a little 374 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 2: story you may not have heard about Chinese nationals carrying 375 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 2: a bunch of unknown samples liquids and biohazards. 376 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with that. 377 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 2: We are back with more on Normally, where a tip 378 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 2: from a house cleaner in Las Vegas made the Las 379 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 2: Vegas Police and federal agents raid two properties. They found 380 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 2: over one thousand samples of unknown liquids, interfuge, and other 381 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 2: biological equipment. The homeowner, Chinese national Jia Beiju, known as David. 382 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 2: He was already in custody from a twenty twenty two 383 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 2: really California case involving pathogens like HIV, hepatitis and malaria 384 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 2: plus modified mice carrying COVID nineteen. That doesn't seem good. 385 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem good at all. It doesn't seem good 386 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: that this is the second one. And I thought like, oh, 387 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: we'll see if there's some connection. The connection is very clear. Yeah, 388 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: the guy owned both. The one in read in California 389 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: and this one. And I remember when that California story broke, thinking, 390 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: why isn't this a bigger deal? Right? Because illegal CCP 391 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: aligned Chinese national owned biolabs with trans mutated ice in them. 392 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: Seems like a very very large deal that we should 393 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: not be allowing on American soil. 394 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: And yet I bet most people haven't heard this story. 395 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 2: It's just it's not that big a deal to the media, 396 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 2: and it makes no sense. Why wouldn't illegal labs with 397 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 2: possible bioweapons not be a big story in our media? 398 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, that last case, as you noted, just to note 399 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: how like how dangerous this can be. The last case 400 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: led to a congressional investigation that found the illegal biol 401 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: up lab had allegedly been receiving money from Chinese banks 402 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: and was housing like you noted, HIV malaria TB COVID 403 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: nineteen and even ibola like this is nah. Also, it's 404 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: it's already in Vegas, Like this is not a low 405 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: risk proposition. It's an airbnb in Vegas. Hopefully what happens 406 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: in Vegas stays in Vegas. But in this case, I 407 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: am not confident. 408 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 2: It's just insane and it really does make you think 409 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: how much of an enemy China is to us, and 410 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 2: we just don't face that reality. We haven't gotten into 411 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 2: TikTok news, but obviously that's been a big story over 412 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: the last week or so because TikTok was forced to 413 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:05,479 Speaker 2: sell various properties. But they are in our country, talking 414 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 2: to our youth and doing stuff like this fairly openly. 415 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 2: What are we doing here? 416 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: Yeah? And well, and I think that might be part 417 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: why the media doesn't want to cover this, Like it's 418 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: the narrative that like, ew bad enemy communist country is 419 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: sewing bad things on American soil. They don't like, they 420 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 1: don't like that idea, but we should try to. 421 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 2: Paint the picture for them that you can blame Donald 422 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 2: Trump for this. You could say, why isn't Donald Trump 423 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 2: doing more to stop this? Of course, when Donald Trump 424 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 2: moves some aircraft carriers towards China, they're gonna be like 425 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: forget it, never never, But. 426 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, don't miss that kind of news. 427 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, a legal biolab in a Las Vegas home in 428 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 2: case you missed it. Thank you for joining us on 429 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 2: normally normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you could subscribe 430 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 2: anywhere you get your podcasts, get in touch with us 431 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 2: at normally the pod at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening, 432 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 2: and when things get weird, act normally