WEBVTT - Good Game Spotlight: Throttle Therapy

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're rubbing

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<v Speaker 1>our engines and relishing in the fresh scent of burnt

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<v Speaker 1>rubber and gasoline. It's Tuesday, April twenty ninth. That on

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of our shows this week, we'll be doing

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<v Speaker 1>something a little different. We're going to introduce you to

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<v Speaker 1>some of the many wonderful shows on the Iheartwomen's Sports Network.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we're bringing you an episode of Throttle Therapy with

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<v Speaker 1>Catherine Legg.

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<v Speaker 2>I had the.

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<v Speaker 1>Pleasure of talking to the motorsport pioneer and twenty year

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<v Speaker 1>pro racing vet on our January twenty second show, but

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<v Speaker 1>today we want to bring you an episode of her

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<v Speaker 1>podcast Uninterrupted. To prepare you for what you're about to hear,

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<v Speaker 1>we ask Catherine to tell us a little bit about

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<v Speaker 1>her show.

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<v Speaker 2>Take a listen. Hey, Hey, this is Catherine Legg and

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<v Speaker 2>I am the host of the podcast Throttle Therapy. It

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<v Speaker 2>will give you an inside of you of the mind

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<v Speaker 2>and the life of a female race card driver in

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<v Speaker 2>a male dominated arena, and we interview and speak with

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of influential people within the racing world, but

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<v Speaker 2>also my friends and family. So you get a glimpse

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<v Speaker 2>of what it's like to be the only female driver

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<v Speaker 2>in a sea of men, and what my everyday life

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<v Speaker 2>is like and what my life is like on track.

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<v Speaker 1>We also asked what to expect from the episode that

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<v Speaker 1>we're about to air. Her conversation with Lynn Saint James

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<v Speaker 1>from March eighteenth.

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<v Speaker 2>I absolutely adore this episode. It's with a very good

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<v Speaker 2>friend of mine, lind Sent James. She is an absolute legend.

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<v Speaker 2>For those of you who don't know her, she opened

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<v Speaker 2>the door and broke the glass ceilings for all of

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<v Speaker 2>the female race CLU drivers that came after her. There

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<v Speaker 2>was really only two or three before her, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was in a time when it was really tough to

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<v Speaker 2>break into male dominated arenas. So she is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the many reasons that we are able to do what

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<v Speaker 2>we love today.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much to Catherine. I think we're more than

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<v Speaker 1>ready for the episode now. And by the way, before

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<v Speaker 1>we go to break here, I just I have to

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<v Speaker 1>say something. Catherine raced in the NASCAR Xfinity Series race

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<v Speaker 1>at Rockingham Speedway on April nineteenth, and she was involved

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<v Speaker 1>in a crash on the fifty second lap that took

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<v Speaker 1>her and fellow driver Casey Caine out she was eliminated

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<v Speaker 1>from the race. Cain lost a lap but recovered to

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<v Speaker 1>finish fourteenth overall. Now, after the fact, Catherine received a

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<v Speaker 1>disgusting amount of hate mail and death threats from auto

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<v Speaker 1>racing fans, even though she didn't start the crash, and

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<v Speaker 1>she addressed it head on in the April twenty second

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<v Speaker 1>episode of her podcast Bottle Therapy, saying quote, let me

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<v Speaker 1>be very clear, I'm here to race, and I'm here

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<v Speaker 1>to compete, and I won't tolerate any of these threats

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<v Speaker 1>to my safety or to my dignity, whether that's on

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<v Speaker 1>track or off of it. She went on to say, quote, Luckily,

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<v Speaker 1>I have been in tougher battles than you guys in

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<v Speaker 1>the comment sections.

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<v Speaker 2>End quote.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just want to say, anybody who played a

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<v Speaker 1>role in the hate and the vitriol sent Catherine's way,

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<v Speaker 1>it is neither surprising nor novel to see a woman

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<v Speaker 1>in a male dominated field get an outsized amount of hate.

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<v Speaker 1>But that doesn't make it any less infuriating. And I

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<v Speaker 1>have to say I loved seeing longtime racer Marco Andretti

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<v Speaker 1>call out the trolls.

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<v Speaker 2>He posted quote.

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<v Speaker 1>It's wild to me how many grown men talk badly

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<v Speaker 1>about badass girls like this. Does it make them feel

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<v Speaker 1>more manly from the couch or something as usual? And

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<v Speaker 1>as we've seen over and over over again, game recognize

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<v Speaker 1>this game. So anyway, now that we're done addressing that bullshit,

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<v Speaker 1>the episode of Throttle Therapy with Lynd Saint James is

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<v Speaker 1>coming up right after this.

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<v Speaker 2>Throttle Therapy with Catherine Legg is an iHeart women's sports

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<v Speaker 2>production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You

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<v Speaker 2>can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or

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<v Speaker 2>wherever you get your podcasts. Hey you guys, Welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>Throttle Therapy with me Katherine Legg. I've obviously come off

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty rough first NASCAR weekend. It was a long

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<v Speaker 2>week and I've got a lot of work to do

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<v Speaker 2>too for redemption and to come back. But I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to take a few days with my very good friend

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<v Speaker 2>Kara Chris Dolin. She is the head engineer for Bridgestone

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<v Speaker 2>Firestone Racing in North America. We've been friends for a

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<v Speaker 2>very long time and we're going to go and let

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<v Speaker 2>our hair down and do some skiing this weekend, so

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<v Speaker 2>that will be a lot of fun. This week we

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<v Speaker 2>are talking to the wonderful Lencent James. Lynn is a

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<v Speaker 2>legend who came up through the racing ranks a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit before me, when it was a little bit harder,

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<v Speaker 2>and she definitely was breaking barriers and glass ceilings and

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<v Speaker 2>has dedicated her life to the pursuit of women in

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<v Speaker 2>motorsport and she's become a very good friend of mine,

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<v Speaker 2>a sounding board and as I said before, an absolute legend. Hi,

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<v Speaker 2>Lindca and James, how are you hello?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, locut you, I'm just glad to be a you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I've been watching these and I'm like, I wonder if

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<v Speaker 3>she'll ever reach out to me and write.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course you're on the list, like pretty early on,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was who do you want to go

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<v Speaker 2>on the podcast? And I think your name was like

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<v Speaker 2>first or second after my dad. So I want to

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<v Speaker 2>actually start off before I get you to tell everybody

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<v Speaker 2>what you've achieved in your momentous like career. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to start off with a little story about how you

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<v Speaker 2>and I met and then I will let you take

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<v Speaker 2>it from there. But from my perspective, I reached out

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<v Speaker 2>to you as a young race card driver in England

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<v Speaker 2>when you were doing a shootout for the Indie Lights

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<v Speaker 2>series back in the day. I think it was like

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and four, and you were doing it with

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<v Speaker 2>Catherine Nunn, Monan's wife. You were helping her to run

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<v Speaker 2>a team in Indie Lights, and you wanted to find

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<v Speaker 2>the next female race car driver stuff. So I've read

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<v Speaker 2>about this in England. I read about this, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I reached out to Lindsay James and I said, Hi,

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<v Speaker 2>my name's Catherine Legg. I'm the best girl race card

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<v Speaker 2>driver you'll ever see ever. Can I come and be

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<v Speaker 2>part of your shootout please? And I got an email

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<v Speaker 2>back saying never heard of you, and and I said, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>can I come and watch then? And I bought my

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<v Speaker 2>helmet and I got on a plane and I showed up.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that was in Phoenix. Was that not in Phoenix,

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<v Speaker 2>That was in Texas. You're right, it was Texas. And

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<v Speaker 2>I met you, and I met Catherine, and I met

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<v Speaker 2>the team, and I did the shootout and I won

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<v Speaker 2>the won the event, and then unfortunately the sponsorship didn't

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<v Speaker 2>happen and it fell through. But that's how I got

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<v Speaker 2>to know about you and your program of helping young

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<v Speaker 2>female drivers and then I kind of became part of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and after that the rest is history. We became friends,

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<v Speaker 2>and you've obviously been somebody that I can go to

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<v Speaker 2>for advice and help and everything since. But i've known

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<v Speaker 2>you for now over twenty years.

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<v Speaker 3>Then absolutely, But I'm going to now tell the story

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<v Speaker 3>you had a couple of those weeks. They aren't quite accurate,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, your memory and my memory are just different,

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<v Speaker 3>but you had it right until.

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<v Speaker 2>My response was not that I know I was being funny.

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<v Speaker 3>My response was that Catherine is making the decisions, Catherine

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<v Speaker 3>Nunn and not me. And I went to Catherine and

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<v Speaker 3>she said no, because you're coming all the way from England.

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<v Speaker 3>And she, you know, I had a hard time convincing

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<v Speaker 3>her because she just wanted who's the best driver in

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<v Speaker 3>and she was just going to go with that. I said,

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<v Speaker 3>the best way is to do the shootout, and as

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<v Speaker 3>it turned out, we got a lot of publicity around

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<v Speaker 3>the shootout, and I said, well, i'll help you would

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<v Speaker 3>give you a list. You weren't on the list because

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know you existed. You contacted me. I then

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<v Speaker 3>added that to the list, and she said no, because

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<v Speaker 3>you're coming over from England and what if you don't

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<v Speaker 3>get it? Blah blah blah. When I saw the lineup,

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<v Speaker 3>I contacted you. I said, you get your butt over here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah you did, and you did and you did.

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<v Speaker 3>You showed up. You know they are because it was

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<v Speaker 3>a multi day test and you showed up and you

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<v Speaker 3>did win. And it wasn't the sponsorship fell through. She

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<v Speaker 3>just pulled the plug.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, I heard that that was the money and

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<v Speaker 2>the money didn't come through.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that may be it, but I think it was

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<v Speaker 3>not too long after that Boat shut his team down.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think you know that there was anyway. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>it was sponsorship, but I was only and Catherine just

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<v Speaker 3>said I'm not going to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>So the other girl that was there, I say, girl,

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<v Speaker 2>she's a woman now was Sarah McCune. I often think

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder she was the only other one I think

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<v Speaker 2>that was being considered at the time. I wonder what

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<v Speaker 2>happened to her. Have you ever heard anything from her

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<v Speaker 2>to said.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I haven't you know. And there's so many like

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<v Speaker 3>that that came to my driver development program. Or it's

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<v Speaker 3>like Katherine Sarah mcune, and it's like I had no idea.

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<v Speaker 3>In most cases, I have no idea what happened to them,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know, I think of her because I also

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<v Speaker 3>think like Kaylee Bryson and some of the other gals

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<v Speaker 3>that are doing midgets and sprint cards. You know that

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<v Speaker 3>that's there was a Sarah McCune, you know, and she

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<v Speaker 3>was kind of a contemporary with Sarah Fisher, but Sarah

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<v Speaker 3>Fisher was still not on the horizon yet.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to actually talk about the driver development

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<v Speaker 2>and like what that's changed into and what you're doing now.

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<v Speaker 2>But first of all, I was at Daytona this year

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<v Speaker 2>for when you were honored, and there were things in

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<v Speaker 2>that presentation that even I, being a Lindsea James fan

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<v Speaker 2>and a friend of yours for a number of years,

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<v Speaker 2>did not know. And so I wanted you to give

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<v Speaker 2>our listeners the same experience that I had during that

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<v Speaker 2>presentation in a way, and tell them all the incredible things,

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<v Speaker 2>starting at the beginning, how you got started in racing.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to go into great detail. You can

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<v Speaker 2>do the cliff note version, but I want them to

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<v Speaker 2>know lyns epic like you're a badass, like I had,

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<v Speaker 2>I only knew about fifty percent of it. Honestly, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a tool order in a big ospit stop from

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning and just give us a brief but expensive

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<v Speaker 2>overview of everything that you achieved.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's interesting because again I think people that are

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<v Speaker 3>IndyCar fans, and because Indy is so big, it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>they know what I did at Indy, right, And then

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<v Speaker 3>the people that are a sports car people, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>imps of people a sports car. The decade of the

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<v Speaker 3>eighties was really my ims A decade, so sometimes they

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<v Speaker 3>don't overlap. But it started in the seventies where just

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<v Speaker 3>an SCCA. So I just started as an amateur, went

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<v Speaker 3>to driver school, got my competition license, started out in

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<v Speaker 3>a Ford Pinto, moved up to a Cosworth Vega, and

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<v Speaker 3>all I wanted to be was the national champion. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean to me, I just wanted to be a national

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<v Speaker 3>champion in SCCA. Went to the runoffs in a Cosworth Vega,

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<v Speaker 3>blew an engine, had driven the car to the track,

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<v Speaker 3>had no backup, carn, no nothing. I didn't have a

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<v Speaker 3>you know, engine builder or anybody that I was dead,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, even though I and.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't come from money either, No, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>no exactly, so you did it clawed from the from

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<v Speaker 2>the ground up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And I mean we had an

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<v Speaker 3>auto parts business and I sold shock absorbers, and we

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<v Speaker 3>had another consumer electronics business, and you know, we were

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<v Speaker 3>just two people trying to make a living. Who became

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<v Speaker 3>we were both car guys. Car you know, he took

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<v Speaker 3>me to the DY five hundred and on my second date,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good that's a good second that he did

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<v Speaker 2>well then, So you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Then I went to the twenty four hours of Daytona

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<v Speaker 3>as a spectator for the first time after I moved

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<v Speaker 3>to Florida to start the business with him, and I

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<v Speaker 3>had never seen sports car racing or endurance racing or

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<v Speaker 3>anything like that, and it totally totally I mean I

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<v Speaker 3>just got hooked. And I went to Seabury, became a

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<v Speaker 3>member of SCCA, found out you had to go to

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<v Speaker 3>school to get a competition license, and that's how it

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<v Speaker 3>all started on my own dollars. And then a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of things happened. I mean, I do believe someone in

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<v Speaker 3>you know, there's tipping points, there's destiny whatever you want,

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<v Speaker 3>and then there's you work hard to get into your destiny.

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<v Speaker 3>But I saw an article and Car and Driver magazine

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<v Speaker 3>that was about a Ford product. But there was a

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<v Speaker 3>sidebar article and it was entitled Ford and Feminism, and

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<v Speaker 3>it said how for this was in nineteen seventy eight,

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<v Speaker 3>and how Ford Motor Company wanted to create support and

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<v Speaker 3>create opportunities for women in non traditional areas within the company.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I figured that they needed me because I

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<v Speaker 3>could demonstrate that that commitment was alive out to the public,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. So I wrote them letters that I wrote

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<v Speaker 3>them letters for three years trying to get a meeting,

0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:30.880
<v Speaker 3>and I did get a meeting, but not until nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 3>But in nineteen seventy eight I also got a deal.

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<v Speaker 3>I was contacted the only time I've been contacted by

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<v Speaker 3>a team owner or a car owner when wrote Atlanta

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<v Speaker 3>was bought by the Whittingtons. I mean, this is kind

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<v Speaker 3>of good trivia stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>This is this is stuff I didn't know either. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm learning.

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<v Speaker 3>Where was a deal when they bought that track? There

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<v Speaker 3>was this old Plymouth Malare in one of the garages

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<v Speaker 3>or shops, and this guy in Oklahoma, brand dole knew

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<v Speaker 3>about it. He bought the car. He contacted MS, talked

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<v Speaker 3>to John Bishop and asked if there's a woman driver,

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<v Speaker 3>because Kelly's Services had just decided to sponsor a new

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<v Speaker 3>series called The Kelly American Challenge and John Bishop. I

0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.880
<v Speaker 3>was told this by John Bishop, gave him my name,

0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:26.320
<v Speaker 3>gave him my number and said she's the best one.

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<v Speaker 3>She drives like a man, and he cons a compliment,

0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:36.280
<v Speaker 3>and it was meant to be a compliment really, So

0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:41.839
<v Speaker 3>I raised that season. It cost three thousand dollars. I

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<v Speaker 3>had to buy the ride for three thousand dollars, so

0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.360
<v Speaker 3>I had to borrow. My husband wouldn't give it to me.

0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.319
<v Speaker 3>I had to borrow three thousand dollars from a friend.

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<v Speaker 3>And then because I finished second seventy nine hundreds of

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<v Speaker 3>a second behind Jane Felton and was the top female driver,

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<v Speaker 3>I won like thirty five hundred dollars, so I could

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<v Speaker 3>pay this thought thousand of dollars back to the guy

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<v Speaker 3>that and I had a whole lot at five hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>So you didn't share it with your husband, saying he

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<v Speaker 2>was too tired.

0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.600
<v Speaker 3>I's pretty mad at him at that point. So I

0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:14.720
<v Speaker 3>ran that whole season on that same kind of a deal.

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<v Speaker 3>Then they had a bonus prize money at the end

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<v Speaker 3>of the year, he got all that, the owner got

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<v Speaker 3>all the prize money, and I was so excited that

0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:23.120
<v Speaker 3>maybe the next year I would be able to go

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<v Speaker 3>for the whole championships overall. And that's what he told me.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm going to tell you this. You know

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<v Speaker 3>what he told me. I'm gonna forget this. It was

0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:34.200
<v Speaker 3>the finale that the finale used to be an at Daytona,

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<v Speaker 3>like around Thanksgiving weekend. So I'm having a meeting with

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<v Speaker 3>this car owner and I'm excited because I was in

0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.400
<v Speaker 3>People magazine. I could go into that because I raced

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<v Speaker 3>over at the derber Ring and had won the race

0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.080
<v Speaker 3>and he was in the picture, and so I figured,

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<v Speaker 3>I made this guy a hero, right, And I am

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<v Speaker 3>sitting with him ready to have a meeting to negotiate

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that I'm going to run the next season.

0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.080
<v Speaker 3>And he said, I'm not running next year. I said,

0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:00.880
<v Speaker 3>what do you mean, You're not running next year? My

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<v Speaker 3>wife thinks we're having an affair. Oh Jesus, And that's

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<v Speaker 3>what he told me. I looked at him like, you

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<v Speaker 3>have got to be kidding me. And so I had

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<v Speaker 3>no deal the next year. So that's what I and

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<v Speaker 3>I was already talking to Ford, and I finally got

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<v Speaker 3>a meeting with Ford, and I ran races. I ran

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<v Speaker 3>one Offs, I ran seaver Ring, I ran Daytona. I

0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:24.520
<v Speaker 3>ran in an acid Martin Nimrod. I mean, I just

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<v Speaker 3>did whatever I could do to get in a race car.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I remember showing up relate to the test

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<v Speaker 3>in the first of the year at Daytona, which is

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<v Speaker 3>now called the Roar. It used to just be an

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<v Speaker 3>open test. I would showed up because I lived in Florida.

0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.880
<v Speaker 3>I'd show up my helmet and suit and everything. And

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<v Speaker 3>Jim Bell was at the party that you're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>on October thirtieth. I invited him because he was there

0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:51.440
<v Speaker 3>running the Whittingtons in a nine to thirty five and

0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:54.680
<v Speaker 3>they were testing before the twenty four. And I walked

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<v Speaker 3>up to him and introduced myself and I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really looking for a ride. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>the hell I said. Jim came up to me maybe

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<v Speaker 3>two or three hours later, and he said, hey, you

0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:10.960
<v Speaker 3>bring your gear. I said, I sure did. He said, oh,

0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.000
<v Speaker 3>Bill Whittington wants to borrow it. I was like, I mean,

0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.000
<v Speaker 3>my face went from being excited to them being and

0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.040
<v Speaker 3>then he looked at me and he laughed and he said,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm only kidding. Gear up, Bill Don Whittington is going

0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:23.960
<v Speaker 3>to leave, and he said, you could serve some laps.

0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:26.160
<v Speaker 3>I got to turn it lapse at a nine thirty

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<v Speaker 3>five at that test.

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<v Speaker 2>That's cool.

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<v Speaker 3>And I remember when I sat in that car. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean I had the most powerful thing I'd ever raced

0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.240
<v Speaker 3>was a Corvette and I sat in this nine thirty

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<v Speaker 3>five and I just remember two things. One I sat

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<v Speaker 3>there after I got all hit, you know, I got

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<v Speaker 3>all suited up. I'm sitting in the car and now

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not moving. Jim puts the door down, closes the door,

0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.720
<v Speaker 3>and I'm looking for the starter button and he opens

0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:51.360
<v Speaker 3>the door and he goes, what are you waiting for?

0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:54.040
<v Speaker 3>I said, I don't know how to start it. He said,

0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:58.840
<v Speaker 3>turn the key. Porsches have it the key? Yeah, like

0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.400
<v Speaker 3>rather a starter button because it was basically a street

0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:03.840
<v Speaker 3>car that they turned into a race car that I

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<v Speaker 3>think nine thirty five. And then he looked at me

0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:07.560
<v Speaker 3>and he said, I'm gonna just give you one piece

0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:09.920
<v Speaker 3>of advice. Either you drive it or it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>drive you. Good advice because that turbo comes on and

0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:16.240
<v Speaker 3>you've got so much power and you don't feel it

0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.960
<v Speaker 3>until it comes on. Because of that ride, I got

0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.800
<v Speaker 3>to race a nine thirty five at the Twelve Hours

0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:27.320
<v Speaker 3>of Seabrey that year. So I mean you just scrape

0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.680
<v Speaker 3>and dig I said, you always be at the track,

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<v Speaker 3>Always have your gear, Always talk to people. Always let

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<v Speaker 3>people know who you are, what you've done, and how

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<v Speaker 3>how much you want to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, show them you're just why am I still

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<v Speaker 2>doing that then?

0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:47.200
<v Speaker 3>Because you have Catherine? I mean, I think unless you've

0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.919
<v Speaker 3>got an agent or somebody that's out there doing it

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<v Speaker 3>for you. And there's a couple of the galps today

0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.080
<v Speaker 3>I know that do that. I mean they have somebody

0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:59.040
<v Speaker 3>representing them, and that representative hopefully has a good relationship

0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:02.399
<v Speaker 3>and a good reputation and talks to the ker chiefs

0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:06.400
<v Speaker 3>or team managers and so I didn't have that back then.

0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:09.920
<v Speaker 3>But the reality is, there are so many more race

0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:13.120
<v Speaker 3>car drivers than there are seats available. I don't care

0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.000
<v Speaker 3>what series you're telling about, And the higher up you go,

0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:19.800
<v Speaker 3>the harder that is, the more drivers there are those

0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.600
<v Speaker 3>than they're exactly, So somebody's got to be speaking up there.

0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:26.040
<v Speaker 3>Letting them know what you can do. So I spent

0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.760
<v Speaker 3>the decade of the eighties racing for Ford. I wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to share some of those only because I just didn't

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<v Speaker 3>even think about it. They just came out of how

0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:36.919
<v Speaker 3>they happened. And you know Ford, I bugged them for

0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.520
<v Speaker 3>three years for sponsorship. I finally got it. I ran

0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.240
<v Speaker 3>the Kelly Series and then I raced whatever Ford told

0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:44.159
<v Speaker 3>me to race. I mean, the good news is I

0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.199
<v Speaker 3>got in the door. I had to. I negotiated my

0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.720
<v Speaker 3>own deals. I had one year contracts, but I always

0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.040
<v Speaker 3>wanted to do the endurance races, and sometimes that didn't

0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.520
<v Speaker 3>include the endurance races. You know, so I just I

0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.040
<v Speaker 3>just I just raced whatever the hell I could race.

0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.280
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it really was. They had me drive an

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<v Speaker 3>off road.

0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:04.879
<v Speaker 2>Pickup truck, and they at least pay you good money.

0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:09.120
<v Speaker 3>Well, they didn't pay me. The only time I got

0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.280
<v Speaker 3>money when I ran my own car the first year.

0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:16.360
<v Speaker 3>What I realized was that a I'm not a good

0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:18.480
<v Speaker 3>team owner or team manager. I can't do this. I

0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:23.920
<v Speaker 3>can't wear both hats. So I went back and renegotiated

0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:27.720
<v Speaker 3>during that year for a personal service contract. So I

0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:31.280
<v Speaker 3>had a racing contract and I had a personal service contract.

0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:35.880
<v Speaker 3>Smartly any the racing contract, that money went to the team.

0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:40.359
<v Speaker 3>I didn't get any right, yeah, the personal service contract,

0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:45.000
<v Speaker 3>and I went from making I had to guarantee fifty

0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:49.160
<v Speaker 3>appearances a year, which is a lot. Besides that's a lot,

0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:52.120
<v Speaker 3>but I needed to make some money, you know, even

0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:54.480
<v Speaker 3>though I had my own horse business, and whatever money

0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:56.720
<v Speaker 3>I was making, I was also using it to get

0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:57.560
<v Speaker 3>these other rides.

0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Ford was get yourself there and accommodation and everything else.

0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:05.159
<v Speaker 3>I'm guessing, yeah, yeah, And I'm very proud of the

0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:08.320
<v Speaker 3>fact that how much I was making for the first

0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:11.320
<v Speaker 3>couple of years per a day for appearance based on

0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.679
<v Speaker 3>because I had fifteen years of one year contracts and

0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:17.000
<v Speaker 3>every year I've negotiated.

0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:18.280
<v Speaker 2>And made a little bit more money.

0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.760
<v Speaker 3>I was building value, you know, because of I mean

0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:23.080
<v Speaker 3>it was a win win. They were winning because of

0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:25.520
<v Speaker 3>the success I was having on the racetrack. I was

0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:27.800
<v Speaker 3>winning because of the success I was having, and because

0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:30.200
<v Speaker 3>I was involved with Ford Butter Company, and I was

0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:32.560
<v Speaker 3>actually starting to make a little more money. And so

0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:35.120
<v Speaker 3>you know, all of the pieces kind of went up.

0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:39.000
<v Speaker 3>The records at Talladega that I did. I convinced Ford

0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:41.840
<v Speaker 3>that we needed to do that. I pitched Ford to

0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:44.680
<v Speaker 3>do that the first time. It was in the Ford Probe,

0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:47.679
<v Speaker 3>because I wanted to race the Ford Probe and I

0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:52.159
<v Speaker 3>was racing the Mustangs, and the head of Ford Racing

0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:56.240
<v Speaker 3>was this German by the name of Michael Crnifice who

0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:59.199
<v Speaker 3>a didn't want me on the team but had to

0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:02.720
<v Speaker 3>because of the Ford's sponsorship. I came with the Ford sponsorship.

0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:06.280
<v Speaker 3>B didn't think that I, I mean, he didn't want

0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:07.720
<v Speaker 3>a woman on the team, and he didn't think I

0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:10.159
<v Speaker 3>was good enough. And I wanted to drive the big car.

0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:11.760
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to drive the big car. I wanted to

0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:15.760
<v Speaker 3>drive the Ford Probe. So I thought, well, if I

0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:18.200
<v Speaker 3>can take that car around Talladega and go at two

0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:20.240
<v Speaker 3>hundred and twenty or two and thirty miles an hour,

0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:22.840
<v Speaker 3>then I'm going to convince him that I can drive

0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:26.919
<v Speaker 3>that race car. And so I did. I didn't go

0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:29.159
<v Speaker 3>that fast on and went to a four. But and

0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:32.199
<v Speaker 3>the next season I got to race the Probe, and

0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:35.240
<v Speaker 3>then I saw Ford was directing more and more towards

0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:39.239
<v Speaker 3>a NASCAR so I decided maybe I should try to

0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:43.760
<v Speaker 3>convince them that I should go NASCAR. Racing, because what's

0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:47.040
<v Speaker 3>different between a NASCAR and a big Ford Bustang gt

0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:48.320
<v Speaker 3>O car, you know?

0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:50.639
<v Speaker 2>So I didn't know.

0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:56.480
<v Speaker 3>I learned. So I convinced them to take the Ford Thunderbird,

0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:59.200
<v Speaker 3>which was a brand new supercoop body that they were

0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:02.679
<v Speaker 3>coming out for the for their production car. And I

0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:05.520
<v Speaker 3>went to Talladega to break the records that I'd already

0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:07.760
<v Speaker 3>set and break my own records and a bunch of more.

0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:10.600
<v Speaker 3>I convinced Bill Elliott and his team to build the

0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:15.679
<v Speaker 3>car and we went and successfully went to twelve average speed.

0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:21.159
<v Speaker 3>But Catherine, I hated that car. Why hated it? It

0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:21.760
<v Speaker 3>was numb.

0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh didn't get any feedback.

0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:26.080
<v Speaker 3>This is in nineteen eighty eight, so they were a

0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:28.560
<v Speaker 3>lot different than they are now. I turned the wheel

0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:31.359
<v Speaker 3>and nothing happens, And I mean it was numb. It

0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:33.600
<v Speaker 3>is the best way I could put it. And I

0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:37.879
<v Speaker 3>spent two days and I couldn't wait till it was over.

0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:40.720
<v Speaker 3>Three weeks later, I got an opportunity to drive an

0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:44.560
<v Speaker 3>IndyCar for the first time, and I made up my

0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:46.840
<v Speaker 3>mind in October of nineteen eighty eight, if I'm going

0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:48.879
<v Speaker 3>to climb this mountain, it's going to be that mountain

0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:50.879
<v Speaker 3>and not trying to get into stock cars.

0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:53.520
<v Speaker 2>Not a numb race car either, Like at least you

0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:54.640
<v Speaker 2>get feedback from that one.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, you know. I mean lots of feedback obviously.

0:22:57.280 --> 0:22:59.399
<v Speaker 3>I mean the first time, the first time in the

0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:01.520
<v Speaker 3>IndyCar is it Memphis? It was, which is a drag

0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:03.879
<v Speaker 3>strip that they do a lot of testing. At the

0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:06.199
<v Speaker 3>very first lab. I go around and I come down

0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:07.840
<v Speaker 3>the front straight away, and I thought, okay, I go

0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:09.840
<v Speaker 3>really fast down the front straight away because I you know,

0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:11.960
<v Speaker 3>And then I put my foot on the brake to

0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:14.160
<v Speaker 3>go through turn one, and I'm not used to having

0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:18.080
<v Speaker 3>brakes that work like that. The car literally stopped on

0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:20.960
<v Speaker 3>the racetrack. I had to put it in first scare

0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:22.119
<v Speaker 3>to drive down to the corner.

0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Was like, oh my god, So you'd never driven anything

0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:27.240
<v Speaker 2>with downforce before that moment.

0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:32.760
<v Speaker 3>I driven an open wheel car twice before. I raced

0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:36.639
<v Speaker 3>in the June Sprints in a Formula Ford in like

0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:41.400
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty two, and I had raced here at Phoenix

0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:43.359
<v Speaker 3>in a like what would be equal to a Formula

0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:46.520
<v Speaker 3>Atlantic car in a in a support race when they

0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:50.119
<v Speaker 3>had the Formula One race downtown Phoenix. Those are the

0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:52.320
<v Speaker 3>only two times i'd ever been in an open wheel car?

0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:54.679
<v Speaker 2>Wow, did you want to do Formula One? If you

0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:56.840
<v Speaker 2>were in the support? Did do you ever have the never?

0:23:57.280 --> 0:23:59.560
<v Speaker 3>No? You know they used to because Jackie Stewart was

0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:03.119
<v Speaker 3>also a Ford spokesperson, so they would you know, always

0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:05.159
<v Speaker 3>hit and Ford for a while actually owned a Formula

0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:07.080
<v Speaker 3>One team. And I mean I looked at that and

0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:09.560
<v Speaker 3>what that's way over my I mean, that's so complicated,

0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:13.000
<v Speaker 3>and now it's even more complicated. And I also knew,

0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:17.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, all my goals were doable for me. Everything

0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:19.560
<v Speaker 3>I did that I set as a goal, I thought,

0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:21.879
<v Speaker 3>it's because I know I can do it, and I

0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:25.360
<v Speaker 3>think I can convince others. Formula one, I knew there

0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:27.720
<v Speaker 3>was no way. Well, I try to chase something that

0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:29.320
<v Speaker 3>you just know there's absolutely no way.

0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:33.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it has to be achievable. I think though, had

0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:36.280
<v Speaker 2>you found racing as a kid and done go cutting

0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:38.480
<v Speaker 2>and done everything like that, I think it would have

0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:41.440
<v Speaker 2>been achievable. It was just the circumstance that you came

0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:45.080
<v Speaker 2>into it. But I mean, what a career. It reminds

0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:46.720
<v Speaker 2>me a little bit of mine in a way in

0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:50.800
<v Speaker 2>that you raced anything and everything that you got the

0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:54.520
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to race, and if you look at the long list,

0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:56.359
<v Speaker 2>like I did when we were at that thing at

0:24:56.440 --> 0:25:01.200
<v Speaker 2>Daytona in the museum there, it was so cool, honestly,

0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Like it still gives me goosebumps to think about that,

0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:07.280
<v Speaker 2>because like when you see how much you jumped around

0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:10.600
<v Speaker 2>from different cars and what you achieved, and like just

0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:15.720
<v Speaker 2>the tenacity and the and the grit and everything. I mean,

0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:19.400
<v Speaker 2>it's honestly it's inspirational because you don't really meet many

0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:24.199
<v Speaker 2>people like us, right, Like it's I think we're definitely

0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 2>a different breed and for me to be able to

0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:29.880
<v Speaker 2>see it and you, it gives me some power back too,

0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:33.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, like it's it's been. It's been a wild ride,

0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:35.600
<v Speaker 2>and I know that we did things very differently in

0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:39.440
<v Speaker 2>a way, but it's really neat to see that there

0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:41.120
<v Speaker 2>are so many different parallels too.

0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:44.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean I think I've told people, I mean, a,

0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:46.800
<v Speaker 3>you have more natural talent than I do. I mean,

0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:51.080
<v Speaker 3>I absolutely watching the way you stepped in that test,

0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:55.160
<v Speaker 3>you know that would have been indie lights and see

0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:56.960
<v Speaker 3>you and see you run. I've watched you a lot

0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:59.199
<v Speaker 3>run in in sports cars in Daytona and all that

0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:02.520
<v Speaker 3>and I just you have a lot of natural ability

0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:06.160
<v Speaker 3>and you're willing to work hard. I mean, that's that's

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:07.760
<v Speaker 3>a lot of times people that have a lot of

0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 3>natural ability are lazy. You know that it comes easy

0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:13.240
<v Speaker 3>to them and they don't work very hard. So and

0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:15.919
<v Speaker 3>you know, the passion that you have, I feel we

0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:19.760
<v Speaker 3>have that very much in common. And also just the

0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:22.560
<v Speaker 3>stick to itiveness, not to be not to give up,

0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:26.359
<v Speaker 3>you know, doesn't mean we don't get disappointed or discouraged

0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:28.120
<v Speaker 3>or you know, there's times I've been, oh my god,

0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:31.280
<v Speaker 3>there's so many times that I've either wanted to kill

0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:34.480
<v Speaker 3>somebody or or quit, you know, because I figured there's

0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:37.520
<v Speaker 3>no way. But I never that didn't stay around for

0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:39.359
<v Speaker 3>very long, and you know I wouldn't be I just

0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:40.679
<v Speaker 3>nobody was going to deny me.

0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:42.920
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I said a blund But what would

0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:44.480
<v Speaker 2>you do if you did, if you weren't racing.

0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:46.560
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's funny. I met Burkup and I don't

0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:48.760
<v Speaker 3>know how to pronounce your last thing, but she's from

0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:51.200
<v Speaker 3>Turkey and she's the new head of the FA Woman

0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:54.240
<v Speaker 3>and Motorsports Commission. Lovely lady. She came over for our

0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:59.960
<v Speaker 3>summit in Indianapolis and December, and she's she's probably inter four,

0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:03.679
<v Speaker 3>I think, you know, I mean, yeah, she does, but

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:05.960
<v Speaker 3>she's not like really young, you know what I mean,

0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:07.760
<v Speaker 3>She's not just twenty or thirty years old or whatever.

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:10.760
<v Speaker 3>But so we kind of related in a different way.

0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:12.880
<v Speaker 3>But I remember her saying, so what do you do?

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:16.600
<v Speaker 3>What do you mean? What do I do? Like, well,

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:20.639
<v Speaker 3>what do you do for fun? I'm like, I don't

0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:24.359
<v Speaker 3>have any nothing. I mean, I paint, I tried to paint,

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:27.560
<v Speaker 3>so I have painted a little bit. But I look

0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:30.320
<v Speaker 3>for other opportunities. I mean, at that time, I was

0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:32.199
<v Speaker 3>still vintage racing. I mean I was, you know, I

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:34.439
<v Speaker 3>was planning to continue vintage racing until I had that

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:37.520
<v Speaker 3>back crash in nineteen. So or I'm at the races,

0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 3>staying current, learning, I'm reading about it, I'm going to race,

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:43.760
<v Speaker 3>and still I go to races because that's the only

0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:46.000
<v Speaker 3>way I can stay current, and I and the and

0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:47.919
<v Speaker 3>the fact that there are so many more young gals

0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:50.200
<v Speaker 3>racing now. I want to be able to watch them

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:52.919
<v Speaker 3>race because if I don't see them race, and I

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:56.920
<v Speaker 3>don't have this opportunity to see them, like this, anything

0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:58.520
<v Speaker 3>I read is almost irrelevant.

0:27:58.800 --> 0:27:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not accurate.

0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:02.480
<v Speaker 3>I've got to feel that energy, I have to see

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:04.320
<v Speaker 3>that passion, and I have to see some damn talent

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:08.880
<v Speaker 3>in the car. So I am an observer or participant,

0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:11.280
<v Speaker 3>a fan, and I try to continue to be an

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 3>expert and to be able to be a mentor. To

0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 3>do that, you have to stay current.

0:28:32.040 --> 0:28:34.359
<v Speaker 2>Do you like cause as much as you like racing

0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:36.440
<v Speaker 2>or is it more of racing, because I remember seeing

0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:39.280
<v Speaker 2>something with Anika that said she was like, I have

0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 2>no interesting cars really at all. I just love racing

0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:46.120
<v Speaker 2>as a sport, and I feel like I can relate

0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 2>to I love cars too, but not to the extent

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:50.840
<v Speaker 2>that I love racing. I think it's the sport that

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:52.880
<v Speaker 2>I fell in love with rather than the cars.

0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm kind of curious about cars, and I know what

0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 3>I like and what I don't like. That I'm not

0:28:57.480 --> 0:29:00.800
<v Speaker 3>a car nut. The other thing is it isn't even

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:05.600
<v Speaker 3>just the racing. It's the driving something at the limit,

0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:09.360
<v Speaker 3>finding the limit, and then being able to do it.

0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 3>I like testing more than I like racing. The only

0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 3>reason why the racing's fun is because that's what you're

0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 3>really You're pitted against you know where the hell you stand.

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:20.000
<v Speaker 3>But testing you also know where you stand. You know

0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:21.959
<v Speaker 3>what a good time is there, you know, you know,

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 3>But I love the testing because I love trying to

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:29.520
<v Speaker 3>find that perfect flap, that perfect corner, you know, every time.

0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:34.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's what excites me is that, Yeah, the sound,

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:37.880
<v Speaker 3>the smell being at the track and then looking for

0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:41.320
<v Speaker 3>that apex for every corner and feeling the car and

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 3>feeling how it changes, you know, how the tires change

0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 3>and how the weight balance changes. And it's like when

0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 3>I drove that Indy car at Memphis, I was so pleased.

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:52.640
<v Speaker 3>Dick said to the guy that was working on the car,

0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:56.480
<v Speaker 3>put ten gallons of fuel, bring her in, Let her

0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:59.320
<v Speaker 3>do ten laps, ten gallons of He wanted to keep

0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:02.080
<v Speaker 3>that the weight of the car balanced and the same

0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:05.160
<v Speaker 3>almost for the entire time because those weight changes really

0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:07.640
<v Speaker 3>make a difference, you know. So I just because I

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:09.200
<v Speaker 3>didn't know what the hell I was doing at that point.

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 3>So anyway, I love the driving the race car. I'm

0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:17.200
<v Speaker 3>a good time. I'm a real good test driver because

0:30:17.680 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 3>I was told that by some tire engineers because if

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:22.440
<v Speaker 3>they want, if they're going to change tires, they don't

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 3>want you to adapt. They want you to still drive

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 3>the way you got.

0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 2>And it's not that easy to get the perfect that, like,

0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:31.040
<v Speaker 2>you can chase the perfect lab forever and ever because

0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:34.240
<v Speaker 2>the conditions are always changing and the tires are always changing,

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 2>you're always changing its cars getting lighter when it blends

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:40.320
<v Speaker 2>off fuel. And so yeah, I don't think that anybody

0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:45.240
<v Speaker 2>anywhere ever has ever got the perfect lab. And you

0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 2>know what, you see the self driving cars these days

0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 2>that are supposed to be able to be programmed to

0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:53.720
<v Speaker 2>do like the edge of the grip if you like.

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:56.160
<v Speaker 2>I think maybe one day that will take over from us.

0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 2>But I think that that's what makes us more interesting.

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:00.959
<v Speaker 2>Like I have something that can go at the ultimate

0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 2>limit without making mistakes. It's the mistakes and it's the

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:05.560
<v Speaker 2>learning and everything that makes it interesting. But I love

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 2>the competition to you like the competition with yourself as

0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 2>much as with everybody else, right because mentally you're competing

0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 2>with yourself to be as good as you can be

0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:16.840
<v Speaker 2>and then yeah, no hitting those marks, making as few

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:20.120
<v Speaker 2>mistakes as possible, driving on the limit, all of it.

0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I love it too, and it's a passion

0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know what I will do when I

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 2>stop racing because I love it so much, but I

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:30.200
<v Speaker 2>almost think that I want to follow in your footsteps

0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:33.760
<v Speaker 2>and help other young female drivers too. So I'm just

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:35.800
<v Speaker 2>following you all the way up through. I'm just being

0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 2>a meanie, a mini you.

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:39.480
<v Speaker 3>I've heard you're rid of here from Predix. Yeah, you

0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 3>were saying that. So I mean, if you ever want

0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:44.720
<v Speaker 3>to brainstarve about that, my dear, I'm happy to do that. Yeah,

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think your passion kid, carry on past

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 3>your time in the race car.

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Explain to us how you started your program, because I

0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:55.480
<v Speaker 2>didn't go through it in its entirety, I was lucky

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 2>enough to be part of it at times. But explain

0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 2>why you started it, Explain what it was and some

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 2>of the people who came through it. For those of

0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:05.720
<v Speaker 2>us listening.

0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 3>Well, I started in the nineteen ninety four, so two

0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:10.720
<v Speaker 3>years after I did INDY, but I was still doing Indy.

0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you were still driving at the time you started it. Yeah,

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 2>that's interesting because I was thinking to myself, I'll wait

0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 2>until the transition point so i can focus, because I've

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 2>got like OCD where I want to put everything in

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:25.280
<v Speaker 2>its neat and tidy box. But you were doing both

0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 2>at the same time, which is crazy and awesome.

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:32.600
<v Speaker 3>But remember I was doing Indy only, so I mean

0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:35.640
<v Speaker 3>I only did I did fifteen IndyCar races over nine years.

0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 3>The only year I had more than Indy was ninety

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:41.840
<v Speaker 3>three and I had six races, Okay, So when I

0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 3>was back to just one, I mean, to be honest,

0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 3>I had to put it this way. It was like, oh,

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to do the rest of the year. I

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:51.160
<v Speaker 3>wanted to do more, and I was trying to get

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:53.960
<v Speaker 3>sponsors to do more, but ultimately, you know, I only

0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:57.200
<v Speaker 3>had an indie only program, and you know, after hanging

0:32:57.200 --> 0:32:59.120
<v Speaker 3>out with Billy Jim King for those years that I

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:01.840
<v Speaker 3>went to the Women's Sports Foundation, I realized I have

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:04.440
<v Speaker 3>to find a way to give back, a way to

0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:07.440
<v Speaker 3>make a difference. And then I got so much fan mail.

0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 3>A lot of them were young drivers wanting advice. I'm like,

0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't know who these people are. I don't know

0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 3>if they're any good. And I was also being interviewed

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:19.120
<v Speaker 3>a lot saying that there were more coming and they're like, well,

0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:21.680
<v Speaker 3>then where are they. I'm like, I don't know. I

0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:27.800
<v Speaker 3>got to find them. So my deal was an invitation only,

0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 3>and I literally would I would scour National speed Sport

0:33:33.240 --> 0:33:37.040
<v Speaker 3>news every week and look at all the race results

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:40.880
<v Speaker 3>and look for stories about a woman driver looking for

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:42.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, and I only had usually the first initial

0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:44.560
<v Speaker 3>in the last names, you know. I mean, it was

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:47.440
<v Speaker 3>really hard sometimes. And this was before we had the

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:49.600
<v Speaker 3>Internet and you know, Google and all of that. But

0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:53.520
<v Speaker 3>I literally would and I started contacting sanctioning bodies asking

0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:55.880
<v Speaker 3>for who do you know? Is there anybody any good

0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 3>that's running at your track? So I created a program

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:01.320
<v Speaker 3>once a year. I would only do it once a year.

0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 3>I would max out at twenty people because I could

0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:06.200
<v Speaker 3>never remember more than twenty names over the course of

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:09.360
<v Speaker 3>a weekend. I don't want to keep looking at name tags.

0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:09.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:14.840
<v Speaker 3>And I had a vision, Catherine, of everything that it

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:18.000
<v Speaker 3>took me so long to learn, and I thought, if

0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:22.560
<v Speaker 3>I can compress the learning time that these gals that

0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:26.160
<v Speaker 3>are out there racing and give them the tools that

0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:28.560
<v Speaker 3>in my mind they were like, go now they should go,

0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:31.760
<v Speaker 3>because now they shouldn't be held back by these things

0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:33.200
<v Speaker 3>that we don't know, because you don't know what you

0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 3>don't know, you know, doctor Jacques Dhlaire, Because I'd gone,

0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, with them, I'd worked with them, since nineteen

0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:42.320
<v Speaker 3>eighty eight, and truly was it.

0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:44.480
<v Speaker 2>By the way, Yes, I saw him at Seabring. I

0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:46.000
<v Speaker 2>still yeah, it's amazing.

0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:47.920
<v Speaker 3>But if I hadn't met he and his partner at

0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:50.000
<v Speaker 3>that time, doctor Don Marsi, who has since passed away

0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 3>from a heart attack. If I hadn't met the two

0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 3>of them in nineteen eighty eight, that changed my physical fitness,

0:34:56.760 --> 0:35:00.239
<v Speaker 3>changed my mental preparation, changed by how I think, how

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:03.799
<v Speaker 3>it changed everything about me. It took a while. I

0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:07.800
<v Speaker 3>was a hard one to convince, Oh no, are you really,

0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:11.640
<v Speaker 3>I can tell you in ninety two at Indy, I

0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:13.439
<v Speaker 3>would have not been able to do what I did

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:15.360
<v Speaker 3>in ninety two at Indy had it not been for

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:19.480
<v Speaker 3>doctor Shock the training and I could go on and on.

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 3>I could do a whole session anyway. So I asked

0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:22.400
<v Speaker 3>doctor Joe.

0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 2>Should by the way, we should point out to the

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 2>business that Jacques de Laire is a mental coach. If

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 2>they know who he is.

0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 3>He's actually a sports physiologist. His training is in the

0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:37.319
<v Speaker 3>physical part. But his partner with psychologists. There was the

0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:39.719
<v Speaker 3>brain guy in the body guy. But when when the

0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:42.919
<v Speaker 3>brain guy died, he had so much information from them

0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:45.799
<v Speaker 3>that he was able to Boorf and really develop that expertise.

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:49.520
<v Speaker 3>But he is available. It's called human performance. Now I

0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:52.839
<v Speaker 3>think performance, I mean because I think every race car

0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:55.920
<v Speaker 3>driver should have somebody good to help them train their

0:35:55.960 --> 0:36:00.319
<v Speaker 3>brain because we are our worst enemies most of the time.

0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:03.799
<v Speaker 3>And then I had the whole We went to a

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:06.759
<v Speaker 3>gym and I was It was in Indianapolis where I

0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:08.360
<v Speaker 3>went and met with people at the gym, and I

0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:10.760
<v Speaker 3>explained to them the stuff that we had to test.

0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:15.520
<v Speaker 3>Cardiovascular strength, flexibility, grip strength. We had a grip strength

0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:18.719
<v Speaker 3>so we had a whole training physical training. They'd go

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:20.840
<v Speaker 3>through this whole exercise with doctor Jock. On the mental

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:23.759
<v Speaker 3>part of it, I hired a camera crew. They had

0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:27.080
<v Speaker 3>to be interviewed so that they could learn about media training.

0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:31.000
<v Speaker 3>And then every night at dinner, I had a nutritionist

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:33.839
<v Speaker 3>prepare all the meals and so that they could learn

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:36.000
<v Speaker 3>what they're supposed to eat, whether on the road or whatever.

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 3>Every night at dinner, I would pull a name out

0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:41.719
<v Speaker 3>of a hat and they didn't know who they were

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:43.399
<v Speaker 3>going to who was going to get pulled that night,

0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 3>and they had to get up and give a speech.

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:48.480
<v Speaker 3>Because as a race driver, when you're invited to go

0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 3>to dinner and then say, oh, tell it, tell the table,

0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:54.759
<v Speaker 3>you know, I mean, and most people aren't really good

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 3>at that, you know, and.

0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:58.239
<v Speaker 2>So nope, oh that's scared of it.

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 3>I mean I was, Yeah, I mean I used to

0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:01.799
<v Speaker 3>used to break out in a rash if I had

0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:04.520
<v Speaker 3>to talk more than three people. So there was media training,

0:37:04.560 --> 0:37:07.239
<v Speaker 3>there was nutritional training, there was the physical training. There

0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 3>was and then we went to the racetrack and I

0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:12.480
<v Speaker 3>had go carts. Everybody started in go carts because I

0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:14.760
<v Speaker 3>had to see could they really were they really able

0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:17.680
<v Speaker 3>to be a race car driver? And if they passed

0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:21.000
<v Speaker 3>the go kart test, then different years I would have

0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:23.840
<v Speaker 3>different cars. I mean when I was out here, I

0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:26.440
<v Speaker 3>did it at Bob Vodra, and so then we'd have

0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 3>openheel cars and then we'd have closed wheel cars, and

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:31.120
<v Speaker 3>you know, so there was on track. There was one

0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:35.000
<v Speaker 3>day of on track programming. So with four days, I

0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:39.400
<v Speaker 3>required one family member or one responsible person that's in

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:43.040
<v Speaker 3>their life attend with them. So this wasn't like where

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:45.160
<v Speaker 3>you drop the kids off and then go off somewhere.

0:37:45.239 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 3>Because I wanted the parents, because in most cases kids

0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 3>were still living at home. I wanted the parents to

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:53.640
<v Speaker 3>hear everything that we told them. So I did that.

0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:57.480
<v Speaker 3>I had over two hundred and thirty drivers from thirty

0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:01.200
<v Speaker 3>states in six countries. So we did it at Daytona,

0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:03.239
<v Speaker 3>we did it at Charlotte, we did it at Indianapolis,

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:06.200
<v Speaker 3>and we did it in Phoenix. Over that twenty plus years,

0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:11.040
<v Speaker 3>and I could count on one hand out of that

0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:14.640
<v Speaker 3>two hundred and thirty of who were really good.

0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:17.759
<v Speaker 2>Okay, who's the one that didn't make it that was

0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:18.920
<v Speaker 2>really good and should have made it?

0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:22.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. Her first name is Alison. She was

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:26.040
<v Speaker 3>really good, and I was so pissed off because I

0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:28.560
<v Speaker 3>mean she just sort of she did some racing after that,

0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 3>and then she dropped off the radar, and I was

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:35.040
<v Speaker 3>asking somebody, I forget who, it's a long time ago,

0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:39.160
<v Speaker 3>what happened to Alison? She got married and she got

0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:41.840
<v Speaker 3>married like a screw chief guy that works in NASCAR.

0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 3>So she was really good, and I was disappointed. But

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:49.359
<v Speaker 3>I mean, Danica Sarah, Milanie Troxel, actually Erica Anders came

0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:53.359
<v Speaker 3>through the program. Aaron Crocker. I was trying to think, well,

0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:55.960
<v Speaker 3>for sure, Aaron was really good.

0:38:56.120 --> 0:38:59.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, I'm surprised she didn't do more I

0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:02.200
<v Speaker 2>thought she was to be the one, honestly, yeah.

0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:04.680
<v Speaker 3>And she could have been, but you know what happened there,

0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:07.400
<v Speaker 3>so I finally have forgiven Ray. I wasn't for the

0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:07.960
<v Speaker 3>longest time.

0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:12.160
<v Speaker 2>I was. It worked out for them in the end,

0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:14.000
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly just I.

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:15.719
<v Speaker 3>Was just with them and Kate, you know. So yeah,

0:39:15.760 --> 0:39:18.160
<v Speaker 3>I mean there is a certain I mean, Shaye Holbrook

0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:21.040
<v Speaker 3>was also an outstanding and the part of it was

0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:23.880
<v Speaker 3>they were really good and then they also took what

0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 3>we were telling them and at least started to incorporate

0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:30.520
<v Speaker 3>it into their program. I mean, things like writing thank

0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:32.319
<v Speaker 3>you notes for the people that help you, you know,

0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:35.880
<v Speaker 3>the returning phone calls. Of course now it's emails and everything.

0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 3>But I mean I had like Linda Conti came in

0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 3>and would talk about finances, talk about how to manage

0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:42.480
<v Speaker 3>your find what are you going to do if you

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:45.959
<v Speaker 3>actually get sponsorship. I had John Bickford, which is Jeff

0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:49.799
<v Speaker 3>Gordon's Oh Sarah. He recommended Sarah Fisher to come. He

0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:52.319
<v Speaker 3>actually paid for Sarah. I charged five hundred dollars, by

0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:54.880
<v Speaker 3>the way, five hundred dollars for four days.

0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:55.839
<v Speaker 2>That's really good.

0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:58.160
<v Speaker 3>And that's what I did through my foundation. I raised

0:39:58.160 --> 0:40:00.239
<v Speaker 3>money to help because I had to pay for all

0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:03.160
<v Speaker 3>of the resources that we had, you know. But I

0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:04.880
<v Speaker 3>just the way I looked at it is that it

0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:09.160
<v Speaker 3>was mostly the off track tools that you need to

0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:12.279
<v Speaker 3>be successful, because if you're running sprint cars or you're

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:15.799
<v Speaker 3>running drag racinger, you know, every one of those, the

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:19.239
<v Speaker 3>on track part is different, but the off track part

0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:22.800
<v Speaker 3>is the same. To sort of clarify, women in motorsports

0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:26.520
<v Speaker 3>in North America is about all disciplines of racing for

0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 3>all careers, for women in all careers in racing, which

0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:31.160
<v Speaker 3>is important, very important.

0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Racing is not just about us as drivers, even though

0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:38.719
<v Speaker 2>we're inherently selfish. I think it is about the engineers

0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:41.839
<v Speaker 2>and the mechanics, and the teams and the series and

0:40:41.880 --> 0:40:44.520
<v Speaker 2>the sponsors and like this, so many other aspects.

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:48.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because that will help generate more support for the

0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:50.960
<v Speaker 3>women drivers because now they'll see that this is actually,

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:54.279
<v Speaker 3>you know, women can be successful in this industry. That

0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:56.759
<v Speaker 3>it will kind of help break some you know down.

0:40:57.200 --> 0:40:59.600
<v Speaker 3>But I also I have not given up on women

0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:02.000
<v Speaker 3>race cars driver. So I mean there's still me who

0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:06.280
<v Speaker 3>is passionate about wanting to figure out what you just said,

0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:09.000
<v Speaker 3>how can we get more women winning. I mean, that's

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:11.520
<v Speaker 3>I want to see that desperately, and that I'm not

0:41:11.600 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 3>expecting women Motorsports North America to be that solution necessarily,

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:20.120
<v Speaker 3>you know, I just sometimes I want to defend the

0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:21.439
<v Speaker 3>fact that I want a woman to win.

0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:24.479
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you need to defend it. I think

0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:27.360
<v Speaker 2>I want it to and maybe here and then their future,

0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:30.840
<v Speaker 2>you and I can start something that helps that to

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:49.040
<v Speaker 2>happen in some way shape to be continued TVC. Why

0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:53.400
<v Speaker 2>do you think there's been this gap behind my generation?

0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:57.440
<v Speaker 2>Then the Danica's and the Simonas and the Anti Beatrices

0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:00.400
<v Speaker 2>and the me and then you look at like I

0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:02.400
<v Speaker 2>thought Jamie did a great job last year, but then

0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Jamie said it was too physical for her and went

0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:07.479
<v Speaker 2>back and did sports cars, which was disappointing honestly because

0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:10.399
<v Speaker 2>I thought maybe we had somebody coming in. But now

0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:12.359
<v Speaker 2>there seems to be this big gap and this big hole,

0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:14.960
<v Speaker 2>and there's nobody winning in the lower formula like we

0:42:15.040 --> 0:42:17.839
<v Speaker 2>did at the time. Why do you think that that is?

0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:19.840
<v Speaker 2>Do you think it's just cyclical or do you think

0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 2>there's a reason for it.

0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:23.520
<v Speaker 3>Well, there's more numbers now, at least there are more

0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:26.680
<v Speaker 3>females racing now than I think there were for the

0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:30.279
<v Speaker 3>any of the decades before, and they are actually more

0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:33.399
<v Speaker 3>of them are capable of being good. I don't really know.

0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:35.200
<v Speaker 3>I have some theories.

0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:40.200
<v Speaker 2>First of all, I shouldn't say this, but you can

0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:40.760
<v Speaker 2>know anyway.

0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:46.400
<v Speaker 3>I somehow think that women when they don't succeed and

0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:49.120
<v Speaker 3>if they have, and one of the biggest words that

0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:52.480
<v Speaker 3>could get us in trouble is that word expectation. So

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:55.880
<v Speaker 3>I think Danica said the bar that everybody felt that

0:42:55.960 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 3>they could do what Danica did, you know, and when

0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:03.319
<v Speaker 3>that didn't happen, whatever level they were racing at, I

0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:07.960
<v Speaker 3>think they get discouraged sooner and easier because they also

0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:11.000
<v Speaker 3>they look at the world and say, you know, there's

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:15.480
<v Speaker 3>other things I can do. They see options. The majority

0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:19.160
<v Speaker 3>of the guys that race they can't do anything else.

0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:21.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I can't do anything else.

0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:23.440
<v Speaker 3>They don't have a plan B. But they don't have

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:24.040
<v Speaker 3>a plan B.

0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:24.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:26.799
<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of the gals and if they've

0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:29.640
<v Speaker 3>done it for seven or eight years, and the other

0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:31.840
<v Speaker 3>is that they're doing it out of their parents' pocket.

0:43:32.080 --> 0:43:34.360
<v Speaker 3>I mean they're still doing it out of their parents' pocket.

0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:36.600
<v Speaker 3>And so if the money doesn't show up from and

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:41.000
<v Speaker 3>they expect again that word expectation, because they have accomplished

0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:46.960
<v Speaker 3>something better than let's say average on their parents or friends' money.

0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:52.440
<v Speaker 3>They don't understand that that isn't enough to get to

0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:53.280
<v Speaker 3>that next level.

0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 2>What do you make of this old female one makes

0:43:57.160 --> 0:44:00.840
<v Speaker 2>series with that runs with one the academy? What was

0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:03.200
<v Speaker 2>the W series? What are your thoughts on it? If

0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:04.120
<v Speaker 2>we ever discussed that.

0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:05.480
<v Speaker 3>No, I don't think we are.

0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:06.759
<v Speaker 2>I didn't think we have.

0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:09.280
<v Speaker 3>I mean when the W series, when it was announced,

0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:12.279
<v Speaker 3>I was on the fence but also pretty much against it,

0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:15.000
<v Speaker 3>but was careful, you know, I needed to learn more

0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:17.240
<v Speaker 3>because it was, let's face that it hadn't been done yet,

0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:19.640
<v Speaker 3>and they hadn't when they announced it. We didn't see

0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:22.200
<v Speaker 3>what it was really going to be like, right, And

0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:24.640
<v Speaker 3>then I got to over to Ostrica and was part

0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:28.680
<v Speaker 3>of the original selection process. I watched them go fifty

0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:32.560
<v Speaker 3>drivers go through that test, the initial test, and realized

0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:35.800
<v Speaker 3>that it actually was The intentions were really to provide

0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:39.359
<v Speaker 3>a quality on track experience at the level that we're

0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:42.920
<v Speaker 3>talking about, which is not really entry level, but it's

0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:45.439
<v Speaker 3>let's just say it's the lower of the mid level.

0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:47.560
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's after you get past the entry level

0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:49.799
<v Speaker 3>of whatever it is you're doing. Now you're on that

0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:52.239
<v Speaker 3>bottom wrong of the ladder to that next step up.

0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:57.480
<v Speaker 3>So I think that having a series that commits to

0:44:57.840 --> 0:45:00.880
<v Speaker 3>good race cars, good crews working on the race cars,

0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:04.359
<v Speaker 3>if it is all females, it's it's creating an opportunity

0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:07.759
<v Speaker 3>for them to race that they probably wouldn't have an

0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:11.120
<v Speaker 3>equality program. Plus they usually they did at the W Series,

0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:12.920
<v Speaker 3>and I know they're doing it at F One Academy.

0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:16.560
<v Speaker 3>Is they are providing the off track training that we're

0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:19.200
<v Speaker 3>talking about, They have to do media training, they've got fitness,

0:45:19.760 --> 0:45:22.279
<v Speaker 3>They really bring in all of the elements, so it's

0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:26.920
<v Speaker 3>a quality experience. I don't believe we need a bunch

0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:31.200
<v Speaker 3>of all female racing series because it's one of the

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<v Speaker 3>best assets about our racing is the fact that it

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:36.359
<v Speaker 3>is gender neutral or there is no definition.

0:45:36.280 --> 0:45:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Right, is it the only sport that we can compete

0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:39.680
<v Speaker 2>equally well.

0:45:39.719 --> 0:45:42.759
<v Speaker 3>Equestrian is open and sailing is open, So.

0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Then something near every day talken to you and I pay.

0:45:45.360 --> 0:45:47.359
<v Speaker 3>A lot of attention, and I have friends over there

0:45:47.400 --> 0:45:50.400
<v Speaker 3>in the sailing world, and I have some friends in

0:45:50.440 --> 0:45:52.640
<v Speaker 3>the equestrian world. And I mean I think that you know,

0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:56.600
<v Speaker 3>that's what the Iron Dames Devra is now supporting equestrian True, yeah,

0:45:56.640 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 3>it's so it's one. We aren't the only, but we're

0:45:58.480 --> 0:46:00.719
<v Speaker 3>one of the few. But it for you to get

0:46:00.840 --> 0:46:03.319
<v Speaker 3>enough experience to be at your best. It took me

0:46:03.360 --> 0:46:06.600
<v Speaker 3>too damn long. I mean I had to didn't waste

0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:09.440
<v Speaker 3>but I ended up using up so many valuable years

0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:12.040
<v Speaker 3>doing this over year and that, I mean the whole

0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:14.400
<v Speaker 3>decade of the eighties. If I hadn't had Ford, I

0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:16.520
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't have had the kind of experience that I had.

0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:19.640
<v Speaker 3>At the same time, it was also limiting me. And

0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:21.839
<v Speaker 3>if I was because I was bold enough to do

0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:24.400
<v Speaker 3>a midget race, I was bold enough to still do

0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:26.839
<v Speaker 3>the twenty four hours and something else, or to go

0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:29.640
<v Speaker 3>to do Lamal. Ford didn't. Ford didn't help me go

0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:33.799
<v Speaker 3>to Lamal and so and going to La Ma going

0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:35.960
<v Speaker 3>down before them alls on straight helped me. When I

0:46:36.000 --> 0:46:38.640
<v Speaker 3>got to Indy, I know how all of a sudden

0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:39.759
<v Speaker 3>I knew what it was like how to go over

0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:42.400
<v Speaker 3>two twenty or two un three miles an hour. So

0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:46.080
<v Speaker 3>I mean I was building my toolbox of experience on

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:49.160
<v Speaker 3>my own but having a base of having ford. But

0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:52.560
<v Speaker 3>it took forever. I mean, it takes a long time.

0:46:52.600 --> 0:46:57.640
<v Speaker 3>And so I think these gals are benefiting. And I

0:46:57.680 --> 0:46:59.880
<v Speaker 3>told Courtney Crone that when who I was working with,

0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:01.879
<v Speaker 3>you know, had been working with for a number of years,

0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:04.480
<v Speaker 3>I said, I don't turn your nose down at something

0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:07.400
<v Speaker 3>that will provide you with an opportunity to get good experience.

0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:09.879
<v Speaker 3>But don't think that's going to blow the doors open

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:12.480
<v Speaker 3>and everybody's going to come, no matter how successful you are.

0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:14.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean, look at Jamie. She won the b A

0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:17.520
<v Speaker 3>Series and the F one Academy and yet still had

0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:20.319
<v Speaker 3>to really work hard to put a deal together to

0:47:20.320 --> 0:47:22.759
<v Speaker 3>come over to do the Indie Lights. And then it

0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:26.160
<v Speaker 3>took her two season into the second season and to

0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:28.640
<v Speaker 3>really shine, you know. And even then it took her

0:47:28.800 --> 0:47:30.560
<v Speaker 3>a while towards the middle of the latter part of

0:47:30.600 --> 0:47:33.319
<v Speaker 3>the season to come into her of her own. And

0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:35.960
<v Speaker 3>my understanding, it wasn't that she didn't feel she was

0:47:36.000 --> 0:47:39.560
<v Speaker 3>strong enough to do Indy She knew she was going to.

0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:42.080
<v Speaker 3>She wasn't strong enough to do Indy Lights and develop

0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:45.359
<v Speaker 3>the ability to do that, but there was no sponsorship.

0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:48.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I thought I thought she had the money

0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:51.799
<v Speaker 2>and wasn't I thought she tested it Bober and thought

0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:54.160
<v Speaker 2>she strong enough to do that.

0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:55.959
<v Speaker 3>Well, no, she she knew that she had to step

0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:58.080
<v Speaker 3>up a little bit more because Barbara is probably one

0:47:58.080 --> 0:47:59.520
<v Speaker 3>of the hardest tracks to run as far.

0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:02.279
<v Speaker 2>As it went to the hardest, most physical track to

0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:03.520
<v Speaker 2>do it. I was thinking, I.

0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:05.680
<v Speaker 3>Mean she did, and I think the team felt, but

0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:06.839
<v Speaker 3>there was no sponsorship.

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:10.120
<v Speaker 2>I hope that the next generation are on their way

0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:14.000
<v Speaker 2>because it would be nice to be able to pass

0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:16.440
<v Speaker 2>the baton over like you have and then still be

0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:19.239
<v Speaker 2>involved in some way, shape or form. If you were

0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:23.720
<v Speaker 2>looking at twenty year old Lynn coming into her first

0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:27.400
<v Speaker 2>ever car season, assuming you had the money and everything

0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:30.239
<v Speaker 2>sorted to go and do an entry level season, what

0:48:30.280 --> 0:48:34.319
<v Speaker 2>would your advice be to yourself back then, knowing what

0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:35.160
<v Speaker 2>you know now.

0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:38.440
<v Speaker 3>Part of our challenges there's just so many different ways

0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:41.480
<v Speaker 3>to go bat it, so many care all that kind

0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:44.520
<v Speaker 3>of stuff. Yeah, you know, I think I kind of

0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:47.160
<v Speaker 3>would you know something that day I could do. I

0:48:47.200 --> 0:48:49.879
<v Speaker 3>would put my butt in about as many different race

0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:52.200
<v Speaker 3>cars as I could. In other words, I would go

0:48:52.760 --> 0:48:56.600
<v Speaker 3>and do a variety of cars depending on what sort

0:48:56.600 --> 0:48:58.520
<v Speaker 3>of direction you think you want to go. But I mean,

0:48:58.560 --> 0:49:00.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm looking at the MX five. You know, there's so

0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:04.040
<v Speaker 3>many great things that come out of that, the racecraft

0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:05.680
<v Speaker 3>and how to take care of the car and the

0:49:05.800 --> 0:49:09.839
<v Speaker 3>drafting and huge fields and keeping the car under you

0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:12.000
<v Speaker 3>and not you know, I mean, there's so many skills

0:49:12.000 --> 0:49:13.359
<v Speaker 3>that come out of that. I mean, I look at

0:49:13.360 --> 0:49:15.799
<v Speaker 3>Connor's Illich's career right now as a model for what

0:49:15.880 --> 0:49:19.160
<v Speaker 3>somebody should in a way be doing, is not not

0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:22.359
<v Speaker 3>just attached yourself to one series or to one form

0:49:22.400 --> 0:49:27.200
<v Speaker 3>of racing. What I learned how I felt a Talladega

0:49:27.239 --> 0:49:29.640
<v Speaker 3>in that Thunderbird versus how I felt three weeks later

0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:32.680
<v Speaker 3>in that indie car in Memphis. I still and I

0:49:32.680 --> 0:49:36.000
<v Speaker 3>tell a race card artist, you know, you know in

0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:41.240
<v Speaker 3>here what just feels right like this is what I want.

0:49:42.000 --> 0:49:44.800
<v Speaker 3>I have wrestled cars, I have, you know, I've wrestled

0:49:44.800 --> 0:49:47.360
<v Speaker 3>bears feeling like I'm wrestling bears with race cars and

0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:51.000
<v Speaker 3>did whatever I had to do to make something work.

0:49:51.520 --> 0:49:53.160
<v Speaker 3>And I'm not just talk about chassis set up or

0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:56.200
<v Speaker 3>car set up or and also the team. You got

0:49:56.200 --> 0:49:59.240
<v Speaker 3>to find your home. You've got to find where your

0:49:59.440 --> 0:50:02.239
<v Speaker 3>hot butt are hit. And the only way to do

0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:04.319
<v Speaker 3>that is if you're early on, is to try some

0:50:04.360 --> 0:50:08.960
<v Speaker 3>different things and then hone in and then find partners,

0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:12.360
<v Speaker 3>not just money, but find a team, a crew of people,

0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:16.160
<v Speaker 3>because right now the timing is perfect. Right now, the

0:50:16.239 --> 0:50:20.840
<v Speaker 3>timing they want to find successful women drivers. And no

0:50:21.239 --> 0:50:23.200
<v Speaker 3>offense to you, but the younger you are right now,

0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:27.800
<v Speaker 3>the more talent you bring and also develop your personality

0:50:27.920 --> 0:50:30.479
<v Speaker 3>to find out who that. Don't be too timid, don't

0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:33.759
<v Speaker 3>be too bold, but find out who you are and

0:50:34.200 --> 0:50:38.759
<v Speaker 3>bring that, bring that with you as an asset and

0:50:38.880 --> 0:50:41.200
<v Speaker 3>find a home, find a family or a home or

0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:45.000
<v Speaker 3>a team who goes, damn, we can build this together.

0:50:45.080 --> 0:50:47.160
<v Speaker 3>I had that with Dick Simon. I mean Dick Simon.

0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:50.400
<v Speaker 3>I can't tell you the difference that it made to

0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:52.239
<v Speaker 3>have a team owner who just said, we're going to

0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:52.920
<v Speaker 3>make this happen.

0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:55.520
<v Speaker 2>I had that in Atlantics with Jim and Pan. They

0:50:55.560 --> 0:50:56.359
<v Speaker 2>were fantastic.

0:50:56.800 --> 0:50:59.480
<v Speaker 3>And build on that, you know, find it and then

0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:02.560
<v Speaker 3>build on it, and you may become the best at

0:51:02.680 --> 0:51:05.840
<v Speaker 3>something that's less than into your less than cop or

0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:09.080
<v Speaker 3>less than the very top level. But if we need

0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:13.080
<v Speaker 3>more women winning, yes, even if it's winning it, I

0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:16.759
<v Speaker 3>mean like this, Jade who just want to see your

0:51:17.719 --> 0:51:19.560
<v Speaker 3>copp or whatever the hell that series is called.

0:51:19.920 --> 0:51:23.920
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I can't remember you lady, that lady Abuse

0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:26.200
<v Speaker 2>that I introduced you to. That I saw a race

0:51:26.239 --> 0:51:28.200
<v Speaker 2>here that I think has something special. She races in

0:51:28.239 --> 0:51:31.000
<v Speaker 2>the same championship, So maybe that championship is going to

0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:32.920
<v Speaker 2>produce some really good race card drivers.

0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:36.319
<v Speaker 3>So win and win enough before you get ready to

0:51:36.320 --> 0:51:39.759
<v Speaker 3>go somewhere else and try to go somewhere else with

0:51:39.840 --> 0:51:41.359
<v Speaker 3>the people that got you where you were.

0:51:42.040 --> 0:51:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that makes good sense. Well, then, thank you very

0:51:46.520 --> 0:51:49.719
<v Speaker 2>much for your insight, your stories, and your wisdom. I

0:51:49.719 --> 0:51:52.319
<v Speaker 2>could talk to you for another episode, and we may

0:51:52.400 --> 0:51:53.840
<v Speaker 2>well have to do that and get you back on

0:51:53.880 --> 0:51:56.640
<v Speaker 2>because I have so many more questions. I love you

0:51:56.719 --> 0:51:59.960
<v Speaker 2>heaps and I will see you very soon, And thank you.

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