WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema: The Battle for Endor 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:10.080 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:16.480 Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. My name is Rob Lamb. 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:19.319 And I'm Joe McCormick. And today we're getting into that 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:24.200 Star Wars. That Star Wars gunk. I got a question. 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:26.960 We were sort of chatting about this before we hit 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:29.240 record today, and I feel like we've got to recreate 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:33.640 this moment. I was wondering, you remember when the Force 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:36.960 Awakens came out and there were some Star Wars fans 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:39.800 who were very angry about various things. One of the 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.080 things they see that some people were angry about was 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:45.960 that I believe the people who now owned the rights 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:49.320 to all the Lucas Star Wars properties had declared that 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:51.920 a bunch of extended universe stuff, so a lot of 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:55.360 the Star Wars books and all that was no longer canon. 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:59.279 It didn't really happen in the Star Wars universe. And 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.200 what I was, what I'm now wondering, is were they 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:06.959 also angry that the events of the Ewoks movies didn't happen? 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.520 Or were there people who were like just furious spamming 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:13.800 the internet with spoilers for the movie? Uh? Because like 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:16.920 Wilfred Brimley didn't really live in that hut in the woods, 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:20.360 and the like the the beaver teeth Ewok creature didn't 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:22.440 really run and fast forward and all that. 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:25.600 Teak you mean Teak, Joe Teak. Don't act like you 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:26.520 don't know Teak's name. 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.959 Well, I was confused about Teak because it sounds in 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:31.840 the movie like they're calling him Teak. But when I 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.280 looked him up on the internet, people were calling him 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.160 things like Tege, like his name had a J in it. 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:40.800 So I'm very confused now. But you're right, my ears, 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:41.880 my ears heard Teak. 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:45.399 Oh okay, well, yeah, he's Teaked to me. And I 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:48.760 guess that comes down to my feelings about canon when 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.600 Star Wars, which I think i've I've expressed here before, 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:53.720 is like I'm kind of like, build your own cannon, 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:57.240 you know, you know, for the purposes of enjoying it all, 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:01.080 Like just accept what you want and and you know, 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:02.600 be happy about it. 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.360 But I have to have a corporation tell me what 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:07.480 really happened in the Star Wars universe. 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:09.720 Uh, you know, I mean I can see where it's 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:13.280 valuable for storytelling purposes, and I understand why they they 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:16.160 did it when they took the multi tiered Lucas cannon 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:19.280 system where it's like, you know, a class cannon and 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.760 be like the film we're discussing today, I think was 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:26.040 technically C cannon, and instead Disney came in and just said, 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.480 all right, we got cannon and we got legends, and 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.400 canon is what is, you know, the official story that 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.840 we're building new stuff off off. But of course they 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.720 often go back into legends and draw things out, pick 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:39.600 out characters and events and weapons and things like that, 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.000 and bring them in, bring them back into the fold. 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:45.800 And so I mean, you know, so I feel like 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.880 I feel like there's not too much to get upset about. 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.800 But but I'm I try to be more easy going 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:53.600 with the Star Wars universe. 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:57.520 Well, obviously C and C canon stands for cool as hell, 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:00.400 because this movie is really really cool. 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.720 Yeah, and it's fitting that we're recording this shortly before 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:07.840 Thanksgiving because after we picked it, I realized, oh, this 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:11.440 was the thing Like this came out like on Thanksgiving 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:15.800 or for the Thanksgiving holiday on ABC television back in 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:19.519 the eighties, back in nineteen eighty five. So really we're 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.440 partaking of a holiday tradition right now. 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:26.400 Right, So, once again, like last week with Boggy Creek 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:31.240 two and the legend continues, we're covering a sequel colon 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:34.920 subtitle film without covering the original. So the movie we're 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:38.000 talking about today is the made for TV Star Wars 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:42.080 movie Ewoks Colon The Battle for Indoor. But that's actually 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.960 a sequel to another Ewoks movie. I don't think I've 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:45.920 seen this other one. 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:48.760 Yeah, I mean I can give you the very brief 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.000 rundown of the first one, Caravan of Courage, which came 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:57.440 out the year before eighty four on ABC Television around Thanksgiving, 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:03.760 and it had a pretty simple plot. Basically, it followed Sindel. 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:06.840 That's a little girl, the little like super blonde Shirley 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.000 Temple girl that is in both movies, followed her and 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.920 her family and their adventures after they crash landed on 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:15.800 the forest moon of Indoor. Indoor, for those of you 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.560 who don't remember, is of course, the pivotal location in 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:20.760 the second half of the Return of the Jedi. This 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.920 is where the Empire puts their shield generator to protect 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.200 the second Death Star that they're constructing. 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.599 Wait, sorry, so this is a moon, right, This is 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:31.560 not a planet. It's a moon of a planet. 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:36.160 Right, Yeah. Basically Indoor is a gas giant and this 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:40.600 is a habitable moon, like a like a Hella habitable moon. 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.640 It's lush. But anyway, they crashed there. I think there 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.560 has always been some confusion about whether these films take 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:50.000 place before or after Return of the Jedi. Like, I 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.839 think they're sort of supposed to be taking place before, 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:56.520 but then there are questions like, well, how does Wicket 0:04:56.560 --> 0:05:00.200 already know English or basic or whatever you're calling it, 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.000 you know, or does he forget it and then have 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.360 to learn it again from Princess Leah. But at any rate, 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:08.359 on one end of the other a Return of the Jedi, 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:12.240 this occurs. They crash there. The the parents are kidnapped 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.480 by a giant creature called a gore Ox, which is 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:19.800 is actually something that that McCrory designed for Return of 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.520 the Jedi, but it didn't get used. It's like a 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:22.400 giant ogre thing. 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:25.480 So Corey, who we talked about in Boggy Creek. Wow, yeah, 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:27.039 connections again, man. 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:27.839 Yeah. 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.599 So, so basically, the Ewoks and the kids have to 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:33.320 go on a journey to save their parents from this monster. 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.600 They pull it off, and that's the movie. It's it's 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:40.240 it's fun. It's a fun little film. But that is 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:41.680 all you need to know for this one. 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:45.800 Now, if that is, if that is the Aliens of 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:49.919 the Ewoks canon. Battle for Indoor is the Alien three 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.440 of the Ewoks canon because it starts off basically killing 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.560 all of the beloved characters from the previous film. 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:57.560 Yes, it does. 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:01.240 Like Base Basically, it starts off with the family hanging 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:03.440 out with the Ewoks, getting their their ship ready to 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:07.279 go so they can leave Indoor, and then a bunch 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:14.839 of marauders show up, these humanoid warlike creatures with battered 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:18.040 like just you know, their blasters are just held together 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.599 with like dirty gauze and dirt. 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:20.960 You know. 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:25.200 They come and they raid the village. They take Ewoks 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:29.120 and the human children hostage, and all of Sindell's family 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.599 except for her are killed by the marauders. So it's 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.679 just really a brutal start to a kid's movie. 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.039 Do you like Paul Gleeson? I hope not, because he 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:39.279 dies in the first few minutes. 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.359 Yeah, and a centeray. Paul Gleeson didn't play the dad 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.120 in the first one, so he was cast in the role. 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.479 Paul Gleeson for those of you who don't remember, he 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:49.680 was the principal in The Breakfast Club. 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:51.560 That was like his big role. 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.160 He was in some other things too, but yeah, he's 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.360 in it for just a very short stretch and then 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:56.800 he's dead. 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.480 Classic jerk authority figure of eighties movies. 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:00.720 Yeah, but the. 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.080 Movie also, so the movie, it sort of begins like 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.719 Alien three, it kills all the beloved characters from the 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.479 previous film, but then it also sort of begins like 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:14.320 Conan the Barbarian, because it starts with basically space thulse doom, 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.480 just rating an Ewok village and then taking a bunch 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.120 of prisoners. It even some of the shots look kind 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:23.480 of similar, though in a slightly cheaper and less dramatic, 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:29.520 less Wagnerian way. I was thinking about how the the 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:33.160 bad guys in this. I like that the look of 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:38.360 them is kind of simultaneously like skeletal orangutan, but it's 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:42.480 also sort of insectoid, right. They've got they've got faces 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.000 that are a cross between like an ant and an ape. 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.600 Yeah, these the Marauders have, I think, ultimately an interesting 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:53.320 character design. In later works, I think they are also 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:59.920 referred to as the the Sanni asens. That's supposedly their species, 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.120 but in here they're just basically they're the marauders. We'll 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.480 probably just keep referring to them as the marauders, but yeah, 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:06.720 they're a little bit, a little bit apy, a little 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:12.840 bit reptilian. They ultimately make for really cool space orks. 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:14.360 You can think of them as space orcs. 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:17.880 I guess works. Well, wait, maybe before we get too 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:19.720 deep into the plot, I'm sorry if I threw off 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.600 the sequence here. Maybe we should like give the elevator 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.160 pitch and look some trailer audio, a little bit of background, 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.280 and then we can fully break down what happens in 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:29.040 this beautiful adventure. 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:31.720 All right, Well, here's the pitch. A young girl loses 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.760 their family to brutal space marauders and a witch on 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:37.080 the farthest moon of Indoor. We'll get into the witch 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.000 in a minute. She teams up with a tribe of ewoks, 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.080 an old hermit, and a rabbit like speed demon creature 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:45.640 to survive. Or if you'd rather, you can look at 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:47.000 it the other way and say, this is a movie 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.520 about a grumpy old man who rediscovers his zest for 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.000 life thanks to a little girl and her two stuffed 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:53.680 animal friends in space. 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:57.920 In space, it is Wilfred Brimley on the dank Moon 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:01.000 of Indoor. Yes, let's hit that trailer audio. 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:05.520 Somewhat at the end of the Galaxy, two friends were 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:06.760 about to say goodbye. 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:12.880 That's until the forces of evil threatened their lives. Don't 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:16.400 look just run fast, run, and together they face an 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:26.400 incredible adventure beyond imagination. You my little one alcohol study. 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:29.400 All right. 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:32.120 I like how we got some roars in there, because 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.680 there are a lot of creatures to roar in this film. 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:39.280 Yeah. Oh, there's some really good, big nasty creatures that 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:43.800 are ridden like like you know, like Hannibal's elephants, but 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:48.160 they look more like Tyrannosaurus rex tadpoles, you know what 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:48.400 I mean. 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:49.400 Yeah, the blurgs. 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:50.839 Yeah, is that what they're called. 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:53.880 Yeah. Yeah, they're a lot of fun. Because this is 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.840 an example we were talking about things that were rejected 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.240 from Cannon and then brought or brought back in because 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.560 this was the show up in this film for the 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:05.040 first time. And yeah, they're big t rex guppy mounts 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.800 that the Marauders are using. They would later be brought 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.480 back in the Clone War series, and then they were 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:16.000 brought back in the first season of The Mandalorian, so 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:20.559 they they effectively made their jump back into live action 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:22.480 Star Wars in Cannon. 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.559 Okay, I want to know how this thing got made? 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:29.360 Ewok's the Battle for Indoor. We're so this came out 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:33.280 after the original trilogy, right? It came out after Return 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.559 of the Jedi. Right. That's okay, So the whole the 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:39.880 whole original trilogy had already been released. Fans are already 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.760 familiar with the dank forest Moon of Indoor. They're already 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:48.160 familiar with the Ewoks, the QDs space Bears. How do 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:50.920 we get to this? Was George Lucas involved at all? 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:51.800 Yeah? 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:54.360 Like he was the He was definitely behind it. I 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:57.800 believe he is the story credit on both of these films. 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:00.319 And you know, I'm not I'm not pretty to the 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:05.640 full breakdown or the full Wikipedia entry on how it 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.280 came to be. But I mean, basically, this was an 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.920 attempt to continue dipping into the Star Wars universe, very 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:17.040 specifically Indoor and the Ewoks, by telling smaller stories with 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:20.520 them in a way like that's the same brilliance. Well, 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:22.320 I don't know if it's brilliance here, but I would 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:24.800 say that the brilliance that you see in the Mandalorian 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:28.000 where they're like, let's tell smaller stories in this universe. Like, 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:29.720 this is a big universe with a lot of cool 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:33.400 stuff in it. Let's carve out a smaller area and 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:34.320 tell something there. 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:37.360 Sure. I mean, that's a great way to expand on 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.640 a setting and a world you've created. That's very nice. 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:42.960 You don't always have to be blowing up whole planets. 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.760 You could just have like a little spy stories set 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.280 within that universe or western Yeah. 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.319 Yeah, and this also it's. 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:51.520 I don't know what it is in this case, it's 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.280 Conan the Barbarian set in that universe. 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:58.200 Conan and the Barbarian for kids, I set in that universe. Yeah, 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:00.840 it's And again I think it also is important well 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:02.760 you know that. Yeah, there's room enough to tell not 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:06.319 only different size stories, but stories with different audiences in mind. 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.600 So ultimately, like the Star Wars universe is vast enough, 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.600 you can tell the story of Rogue One, which is 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.600 you know, I think more of a spy story, yeah, 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:19.600 and war story for older fans set in the universe, 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:21.960 and then you can tell this story, which is skewing 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:22.959 a lot younger. 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.600 Yeah, Rugue. One's more like John Lecare in space and 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.600 this is this is Conan the Barbarian meets Et, but 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.200 it's a little bit cheaper in space. 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:33.160 Yeah. 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.760 Now, one thing I want to drive home about these films, 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:41.600 especially for anyone out there who maybe isn't isn't my 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:45.720 age or older, you have to realize that, Okay, this 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:47.720 came out in eighty five, that's one year after the 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:49.960 Caravan of Courage movie that we just mentioned, two years 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.680 after Return of the Jedi, and there would not be 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:56.880 another Star Wars movie on TV or in cinemas for 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:00.880 fourteen years. So to put that another way, three Star 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:05.520 Wars movies come out before the two ABC television Ewok films, 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:09.880 but nine films came out afterwards as of this recording, 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.600 So if you're my age, these films were just not 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:17.400 things you could ignore. These at the time comprised forty 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:22.280 percent of the Star Wars cinematic experience, so that's one 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.719 of And also, as our producer Seth brought up like 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.040 they were on TV, so there's a good chance that 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:30.440 you or someone you knew taped them, so suddenly it 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:34.160 is a repeatable experience. And I'm certainly one of those 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:39.160 kids who who definitely had repeat viewings of the Battle 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.520 for Indoor. I probably saw it more than I saw 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:44.240 Empire or Jedi growing up. 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:47.959 Wow. So did you also have the thing where it 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:51.120 had certain commercials that had been taped along with it 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.280 and you just memorize those commercials like the holiday special 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.720 with the Lady Garment Workers Union commercial and Towbar. 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:02.360 I don't remember it, So maybe we were savvy and 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.360 edited those out. I don't know, or I meant, I 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.880 can't imagine they actually presented it without commercials at the time, 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:11.880 but I don't remember the commercials. I think I would 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.680 because I fondly remember some taped VHS commercials. 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.000 Okay, so we're living in a world where this is 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:22.920 forty percent of Star Wars canon or at least whatever 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:26.880 C canon or whatever he's calling it. So who actually 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:27.800 directed this thing? 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:33.000 So it's a team two brothers directors and writers here, 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.440 Jim and Ken Wheat. And there's some fun connections with 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:38.920 these two because they had previously worked with great On 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:43.160 Clark on his nineteen eighty film The Return. They wrote 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:43.960 the screenplay for that. 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:48.400 I haven't seen that. But if The Uninvited is any 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:52.720 indication Graydon Clark is somebody whose career is worth exploring. 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:55.920 A couple of other films that they wrote the screenplay 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:59.680 for or involved in the evolution of the screenplay writing 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.800 were A Nightmare on Elm Street for The dream Master 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:04.200 and The. 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:07.840 Fly To Oh wait a second, Wait a second, So 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:12.040 I forgot Grayton Clark directed The un not the Uninvited, 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:15.240 The uh without Warning, the first house cinema movie we did. 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.240 That completely slipped my mind. I'm sorry. 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:22.280 Yeah, everything comes back to I apologize. He's the Alpha 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:25.920 and the Omega he is so So those are two 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:30.160 notable films, definitely not kids films, but then another. They 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:34.920 also wrote a screenplay titled Nightfall that went on to 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:38.880 become a film called Pitch Black. So anytime you watch 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:40.880 a Riddick movie you will see their names in the 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.040 credit because they were involved in the original screenplay. 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:45.880 Oh that's really funny, you know. I wouldn't say Pitch 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.600 Black is a great film, but when I actually went 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:50.640 back and watched it, it was much better than I 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:55.080 was expecting. It has plenty of charms that still hold up. 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:57.840 Yeah, I'm not a fan of some of the like 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.760 the cuts and the edits in the it feels it 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:04.080 feels very to me anyway, it feels like music videos 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.600 at that time. Yes, in a way that can be jarring. 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:10.680 But that being said, I think it's a solid space 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:14.000 monster movie with a little a little maybe the Machies 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.480 mo is is ratcheted up to a level that is 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:20.280 not not my go to level, right, but but I 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:20.800 enjoyed it. 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.360 But it also is an early indication. You get that 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:26.000 glimmer of why Vin Diesel would turn out to be 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:29.360 such a big movie star. I mean he is. He's 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:32.880 just imminently lovable, even when he's playing a really bad dude. 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:33.840 Yeah. 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:36.160 And of course the cool thing about Riddick too, is it. 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.640 I mean the first film was that it was pitch black, 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.960 was a necessary precursor to Chronicles of Riddick, which, as 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.520 you know, is my favorite Vin Diesel film. 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.440 I know your love of Chronicles of Riddick. We actually 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.960 watched this one together and the what are the they 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:51.560 called the necromongers in it? 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:53.640 Yeah, where the bow and armor. 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:58.800 They look kind of like space Kurgans. It's good, but okay, 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.800 we've been we've been burying the lead here. Okay, So 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:06.440 the really important thing about this movie personnel wise is 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:08.600 the big W. B. Wilford Brimley. 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:15.199 Yes, that's right. Wilford Brimley plays his character Noah in it. 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:18.199 This is the grumpy old man that is key to 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:23.200 the film. Brimley is is interesting casting in this and 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.320 it is It's it's kind of weird to think about 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:30.320 Brimley as a cinematic icon because when you think of him, 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.399 you think of oatmeal, you think of cowboy hats, you 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:38.200 think of these rugged everyman rolls. Perhaps that's the thing. 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.399 That's the thing here is that I feel like I 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:45.040 mostly know him from the big science fiction films that 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.480 he was in, namely John Carpenter is the thing, but 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:51.280 also he was in Cocoon. He was also in some 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.639 horror movies here and there as well. And granted he 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:58.040 had some huge roles in some totally non weird films 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:02.000 like Sidney Pollack's The Absence of Mallein for example. He's 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:02.840 really great in that. 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:05.159 He's in the firm. He plays like a like a 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:07.120 bad henchman for the evil lawyers. 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:09.359 Yeah, he so it's weird. 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.520 He's like he's great at playing like a rural, grumpy 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:16.080 rural dude or like a grumpy lawyer dude. Like, it's 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:20.920 weird how a character actor you know, will fit two 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:22.600 molds that in real life. 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:23.800 Or maybe a little further removed. 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:27.040 I don't know, but yeah, in this he's clearly intended 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.679 to be some sort of Heidi's grandfather sort of character, 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:32.040 a grumpy old man whose heart is melted by a 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:35.320 little kid. And he's the This is interesting. He's the 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.960 rare Star Wars character who wear spectacles. 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:43.280 Oh, I did not think of that. That's an interesting point. Yeah, 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.560 is there another no one cares to mind? 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:50.560 No. I mean there are characters that sometimes wear strange 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.520 goggles and whatnot, you know, sort of sci fi goggles. 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:56.280 But in terms of someone who's just straight up wearing glasses, 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:58.040 I can't think of one offhand. 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:02.040 It's like a class of two. It's Wilford Brimley and Maskatana. 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:07.760 Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Maybe there's some extended universe 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:10.520 stuff where he his eyes. Because the thing is his 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:13.280 character is stranded on the planet as well. We come 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:16.520 to learn that he and his buddy with Sarah Crash 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:21.000 landed on Indoor some unspecified number of years ago, Like 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:26.680 it seems like maybe like twenty twenty five years maybe 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:31.639 but maybe in that time his eyesight went bad and 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:34.679 he had to like find like ancient ruins on the 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:37.919 on indoor and find eyeglasses that had been constructed by 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:42.439 a long dead civilization I don't know, or maybe he 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:43.760 just wore eyeglasses I don't. 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:47.040 Know in the Pyramids of Indoor. Yeah. Yeah, Well, so 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:50.000 you say he's like Heidi's grandpa kind of character. He 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:52.360 absolutely is that. But I would say the actual closer 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:55.199 analogy within the Star Wars universe. And this is going 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:57.520 to sound strange at first, but he's the Han Solo 0:19:57.640 --> 0:19:59.879 character in this movie. He's the person who is in 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:04.080 initially gruff and grumpy and self interested, but comes through 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.480 in the end because he made friends and he saves 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:07.840 the day. 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:10.800 Yeah no, I think that's fair. Yeah, he's he's kind 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:14.560 of the Han Solo, an older rounder Han Solo with 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:18.280 but certainly it has that journalist flare rather than you know, 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:20.840 he's not a specialist. I would I would think if 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.720 he was a Dungeons and Dragons character, his class would 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:27.280 be action grandpa, because yeah, he's good at just fixing 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:30.120 stuff and tinkering with stuff, but he's also really good 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:32.960 with a with a walking stick, and a grappling hook gun. 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.359 That's right. Yeah, yeah, so he's walking stick guy. But 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:39.040 then at the end he busts out some real martial arts. 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:42.360 Yeah, he's able to hold his own against an alien 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.000 warlord that seems to be about eight feet tall, so 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:48.639 you know he's he can come through in a pinch. 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:51.840 Now, this movie also has we mentioned. I guess this 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:54.640 might be the only character that is carried over from 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:57.600 the actual films. It has Wicket the e walk who. 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:00.680 I don't mean to be mean about this movie, because 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:02.600