Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. My name is Rob Lamb.
Speaker 3: And I'm Joe McCormick. And today we're getting into that
Speaker 3: Star Wars. That Star Wars gunk. I got a question.
Speaker 3: We were sort of chatting about this before we hit
Speaker 3: record today, and I feel like we've got to recreate
Speaker 3: this moment. I was wondering, you remember when the Force
Speaker 3: Awakens came out and there were some Star Wars fans
Speaker 3: who were very angry about various things. One of the
Speaker 3: things they see that some people were angry about was
Speaker 3: that I believe the people who now owned the rights
Speaker 3: to all the Lucas Star Wars properties had declared that
Speaker 3: a bunch of extended universe stuff, so a lot of
Speaker 3: the Star Wars books and all that was no longer canon.
Speaker 3: It didn't really happen in the Star Wars universe. And
Speaker 3: what I was, what I'm now wondering, is were they
Speaker 3: also angry that the events of the Ewoks movies didn't happen?
Speaker 3: Or were there people who were like just furious spamming
Speaker 3: the internet with spoilers for the movie? Uh? Because like
Speaker 3: Wilfred Brimley didn't really live in that hut in the woods,
Speaker 3: and the like the the beaver teeth Ewok creature didn't
Speaker 3: really run and fast forward and all that.
Speaker 2: Teak you mean Teak, Joe Teak. Don't act like you
Speaker 2: don't know Teak's name.
Speaker 3: Well, I was confused about Teak because it sounds in
Speaker 3: the movie like they're calling him Teak. But when I
Speaker 3: looked him up on the internet, people were calling him
Speaker 3: things like Tege, like his name had a J in it.
Speaker 3: So I'm very confused now. But you're right, my ears,
Speaker 3: my ears heard Teak.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, well, yeah, he's Teaked to me. And I
Speaker 2: guess that comes down to my feelings about canon when
Speaker 2: Star Wars, which I think i've I've expressed here before,
Speaker 2: is like I'm kind of like, build your own cannon,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, for the purposes of enjoying it all,
Speaker 2: Like just accept what you want and and you know,
Speaker 2: be happy about it.
Speaker 3: But I have to have a corporation tell me what
Speaker 3: really happened in the Star Wars universe.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, I mean I can see where it's
Speaker 2: valuable for storytelling purposes, and I understand why they they
Speaker 2: did it when they took the multi tiered Lucas cannon
Speaker 2: system where it's like, you know, a class cannon and
Speaker 2: be like the film we're discussing today, I think was
Speaker 2: technically C cannon, and instead Disney came in and just said,
Speaker 2: all right, we got cannon and we got legends, and
Speaker 2: canon is what is, you know, the official story that
Speaker 2: we're building new stuff off off. But of course they
Speaker 2: often go back into legends and draw things out, pick
Speaker 2: out characters and events and weapons and things like that,
Speaker 2: and bring them in, bring them back into the fold.
Speaker 2: And so I mean, you know, so I feel like
Speaker 2: I feel like there's not too much to get upset about.
Speaker 2: But but I'm I try to be more easy going
Speaker 2: with the Star Wars universe.
Speaker 3: Well, obviously C and C canon stands for cool as hell,
Speaker 3: because this movie is really really cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's fitting that we're recording this shortly before
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving because after we picked it, I realized, oh, this
Speaker 2: was the thing Like this came out like on Thanksgiving
Speaker 2: or for the Thanksgiving holiday on ABC television back in
Speaker 2: the eighties, back in nineteen eighty five. So really we're
Speaker 2: partaking of a holiday tradition right now.
Speaker 3: Right, So, once again, like last week with Boggy Creek
Speaker 3: two and the legend continues, we're covering a sequel colon
Speaker 3: subtitle film without covering the original. So the movie we're
Speaker 3: talking about today is the made for TV Star Wars
Speaker 3: movie Ewoks Colon The Battle for Indoor. But that's actually
Speaker 3: a sequel to another Ewoks movie. I don't think I've
Speaker 3: seen this other one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I can give you the very brief
Speaker 2: rundown of the first one, Caravan of Courage, which came
Speaker 2: out the year before eighty four on ABC Television around Thanksgiving,
Speaker 2: and it had a pretty simple plot. Basically, it followed Sindel.
Speaker 2: That's a little girl, the little like super blonde Shirley
Speaker 2: Temple girl that is in both movies, followed her and
Speaker 2: her family and their adventures after they crash landed on
Speaker 2: the forest moon of Indoor. Indoor, for those of you
Speaker 2: who don't remember, is of course, the pivotal location in
Speaker 2: the second half of the Return of the Jedi. This
Speaker 2: is where the Empire puts their shield generator to protect
Speaker 2: the second Death Star that they're constructing.
Speaker 3: Wait, sorry, so this is a moon, right, This is
Speaker 3: not a planet. It's a moon of a planet.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah. Basically Indoor is a gas giant and this
Speaker 2: is a habitable moon, like a like a Hella habitable moon.
Speaker 2: It's lush. But anyway, they crashed there. I think there
Speaker 2: has always been some confusion about whether these films take
Speaker 2: place before or after Return of the Jedi. Like, I
Speaker 2: think they're sort of supposed to be taking place before,
Speaker 2: but then there are questions like, well, how does Wicket
Speaker 2: already know English or basic or whatever you're calling it,
Speaker 2: you know, or does he forget it and then have
Speaker 2: to learn it again from Princess Leah. But at any rate,
Speaker 2: on one end of the other a Return of the Jedi,
Speaker 2: this occurs. They crash there. The the parents are kidnapped
Speaker 2: by a giant creature called a gore Ox, which is
Speaker 2: is actually something that that McCrory designed for Return of
Speaker 2: the Jedi, but it didn't get used. It's like a
Speaker 2: giant ogre thing.
Speaker 3: So Corey, who we talked about in Boggy Creek. Wow, yeah,
Speaker 3: connections again, man.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, so basically, the Ewoks and the kids have to
Speaker 2: go on a journey to save their parents from this monster.
Speaker 2: They pull it off, and that's the movie. It's it's
Speaker 2: it's fun. It's a fun little film. But that is
Speaker 2: all you need to know for this one.
Speaker 3: Now, if that is, if that is the Aliens of
Speaker 3: the Ewoks canon. Battle for Indoor is the Alien three
Speaker 3: of the Ewoks canon because it starts off basically killing
Speaker 3: all of the beloved characters from the previous film.
Speaker 4: Yes, it does.
Speaker 2: Like Base Basically, it starts off with the family hanging
Speaker 2: out with the Ewoks, getting their their ship ready to
Speaker 2: go so they can leave Indoor, and then a bunch
Speaker 2: of marauders show up, these humanoid warlike creatures with battered
Speaker 2: like just you know, their blasters are just held together
Speaker 2: with like dirty gauze and dirt.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: They come and they raid the village. They take Ewoks
Speaker 2: and the human children hostage, and all of Sindell's family
Speaker 2: except for her are killed by the marauders. So it's
Speaker 2: just really a brutal start to a kid's movie.
Speaker 3: Do you like Paul Gleeson? I hope not, because he
Speaker 3: dies in the first few minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a centeray. Paul Gleeson didn't play the dad
Speaker 2: in the first one, so he was cast in the role.
Speaker 2: Paul Gleeson for those of you who don't remember, he
Speaker 2: was the principal in The Breakfast Club.
Speaker 4: That was like his big role.
Speaker 2: He was in some other things too, but yeah, he's
Speaker 2: in it for just a very short stretch and then
Speaker 2: he's dead.
Speaker 3: Classic jerk authority figure of eighties movies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the.
Speaker 3: Movie also, so the movie, it sort of begins like
Speaker 3: Alien three, it kills all the beloved characters from the
Speaker 3: previous film, but then it also sort of begins like
Speaker 3: Conan the Barbarian, because it starts with basically space thulse doom,
Speaker 3: just rating an Ewok village and then taking a bunch
Speaker 3: of prisoners. It even some of the shots look kind
Speaker 3: of similar, though in a slightly cheaper and less dramatic,
Speaker 3: less Wagnerian way. I was thinking about how the the
Speaker 3: bad guys in this. I like that the look of
Speaker 3: them is kind of simultaneously like skeletal orangutan, but it's
Speaker 3: also sort of insectoid, right. They've got they've got faces
Speaker 3: that are a cross between like an ant and an ape.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these the Marauders have, I think, ultimately an interesting
Speaker 2: character design. In later works, I think they are also
Speaker 2: referred to as the the Sanni asens. That's supposedly their species,
Speaker 2: but in here they're just basically they're the marauders. We'll
Speaker 2: probably just keep referring to them as the marauders, but yeah,
Speaker 2: they're a little bit, a little bit apy, a little
Speaker 2: bit reptilian. They ultimately make for really cool space orks.
Speaker 2: You can think of them as space orcs.
Speaker 3: I guess works. Well, wait, maybe before we get too
Speaker 3: deep into the plot, I'm sorry if I threw off
Speaker 3: the sequence here. Maybe we should like give the elevator
Speaker 3: pitch and look some trailer audio, a little bit of background,
Speaker 3: and then we can fully break down what happens in
Speaker 3: this beautiful adventure.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, here's the pitch. A young girl loses
Speaker 2: their family to brutal space marauders and a witch on
Speaker 2: the farthest moon of Indoor. We'll get into the witch
Speaker 2: in a minute. She teams up with a tribe of ewoks,
Speaker 2: an old hermit, and a rabbit like speed demon creature
Speaker 2: to survive. Or if you'd rather, you can look at
Speaker 2: it the other way and say, this is a movie
Speaker 2: about a grumpy old man who rediscovers his zest for
Speaker 2: life thanks to a little girl and her two stuffed
Speaker 2: animal friends in space.
Speaker 3: In space, it is Wilfred Brimley on the dank Moon
Speaker 3: of Indoor. Yes, let's hit that trailer audio.
Speaker 4: Somewhat at the end of the Galaxy, two friends were
Speaker 4: about to say goodbye.
Speaker 3: That's until the forces of evil threatened their lives. Don't
Speaker 3: look just run fast, run, and together they face an
Speaker 3: incredible adventure beyond imagination. You my little one alcohol study.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: I like how we got some roars in there, because
Speaker 2: there are a lot of creatures to roar in this film.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, there's some really good, big nasty creatures that
Speaker 3: are ridden like like you know, like Hannibal's elephants, but
Speaker 3: they look more like Tyrannosaurus rex tadpoles, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the blurgs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is that what they're called.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they're a lot of fun. Because this is
Speaker 2: an example we were talking about things that were rejected
Speaker 2: from Cannon and then brought or brought back in because
Speaker 2: this was the show up in this film for the
Speaker 2: first time. And yeah, they're big t rex guppy mounts
Speaker 2: that the Marauders are using. They would later be brought
Speaker 2: back in the Clone War series, and then they were
Speaker 2: brought back in the first season of The Mandalorian, so
Speaker 2: they they effectively made their jump back into live action
Speaker 2: Star Wars in Cannon.
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to know how this thing got made?
Speaker 3: Ewok's the Battle for Indoor. We're so this came out
Speaker 3: after the original trilogy, right? It came out after Return
Speaker 3: of the Jedi. Right. That's okay, So the whole the
Speaker 3: whole original trilogy had already been released. Fans are already
Speaker 3: familiar with the dank forest Moon of Indoor. They're already
Speaker 3: familiar with the Ewoks, the QDs space Bears. How do
Speaker 3: we get to this? Was George Lucas involved at all?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like he was the He was definitely behind it. I
Speaker 2: believe he is the story credit on both of these films.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm not I'm not pretty to the
Speaker 2: full breakdown or the full Wikipedia entry on how it
Speaker 2: came to be. But I mean, basically, this was an
Speaker 2: attempt to continue dipping into the Star Wars universe, very
Speaker 2: specifically Indoor and the Ewoks, by telling smaller stories with
Speaker 2: them in a way like that's the same brilliance. Well,
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's brilliance here, but I would
Speaker 2: say that the brilliance that you see in the Mandalorian
Speaker 2: where they're like, let's tell smaller stories in this universe. Like,
Speaker 2: this is a big universe with a lot of cool
Speaker 2: stuff in it. Let's carve out a smaller area and
Speaker 2: tell something there.
Speaker 3: Sure. I mean, that's a great way to expand on
Speaker 3: a setting and a world you've created. That's very nice.
Speaker 3: You don't always have to be blowing up whole planets.
Speaker 3: You could just have like a little spy stories set
Speaker 3: within that universe or western Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this also it's.
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is in this case, it's
Speaker 3: Conan the Barbarian set in that universe.
Speaker 2: Conan and the Barbarian for kids, I set in that universe. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's And again I think it also is important well
Speaker 2: you know that. Yeah, there's room enough to tell not
Speaker 2: only different size stories, but stories with different audiences in mind.
Speaker 2: So ultimately, like the Star Wars universe is vast enough,
Speaker 2: you can tell the story of Rogue One, which is
Speaker 2: you know, I think more of a spy story, yeah,
Speaker 2: and war story for older fans set in the universe,
Speaker 2: and then you can tell this story, which is skewing
Speaker 2: a lot younger.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Rugue. One's more like John Lecare in space and
Speaker 3: this is this is Conan the Barbarian meets Et, but
Speaker 3: it's a little bit cheaper in space.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, one thing I want to drive home about these films,
Speaker 2: especially for anyone out there who maybe isn't isn't my
Speaker 2: age or older, you have to realize that, Okay, this
Speaker 2: came out in eighty five, that's one year after the
Speaker 2: Caravan of Courage movie that we just mentioned, two years
Speaker 2: after Return of the Jedi, and there would not be
Speaker 2: another Star Wars movie on TV or in cinemas for
Speaker 2: fourteen years. So to put that another way, three Star
Speaker 2: Wars movies come out before the two ABC television Ewok films,
Speaker 2: but nine films came out afterwards as of this recording,
Speaker 2: So if you're my age, these films were just not
Speaker 2: things you could ignore. These at the time comprised forty
Speaker 2: percent of the Star Wars cinematic experience, so that's one
Speaker 2: of And also, as our producer Seth brought up like
Speaker 2: they were on TV, so there's a good chance that
Speaker 2: you or someone you knew taped them, so suddenly it
Speaker 2: is a repeatable experience. And I'm certainly one of those
Speaker 2: kids who who definitely had repeat viewings of the Battle
Speaker 2: for Indoor. I probably saw it more than I saw
Speaker 2: Empire or Jedi growing up.
Speaker 3: Wow. So did you also have the thing where it
Speaker 3: had certain commercials that had been taped along with it
Speaker 3: and you just memorize those commercials like the holiday special
Speaker 3: with the Lady Garment Workers Union commercial and Towbar.
Speaker 2: I don't remember it, So maybe we were savvy and
Speaker 2: edited those out. I don't know, or I meant, I
Speaker 2: can't imagine they actually presented it without commercials at the time,
Speaker 2: but I don't remember the commercials. I think I would
Speaker 2: because I fondly remember some taped VHS commercials.
Speaker 3: Okay, so we're living in a world where this is
Speaker 3: forty percent of Star Wars canon or at least whatever
Speaker 3: C canon or whatever he's calling it. So who actually
Speaker 3: directed this thing?
Speaker 2: So it's a team two brothers directors and writers here,
Speaker 2: Jim and Ken Wheat. And there's some fun connections with
Speaker 2: these two because they had previously worked with great On
Speaker 2: Clark on his nineteen eighty film The Return. They wrote
Speaker 2: the screenplay for that.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen that. But if The Uninvited is any
Speaker 3: indication Graydon Clark is somebody whose career is worth exploring.
Speaker 2: A couple of other films that they wrote the screenplay
Speaker 2: for or involved in the evolution of the screenplay writing
Speaker 2: were A Nightmare on Elm Street for The dream Master
Speaker 2: and The.
Speaker 3: Fly To Oh wait a second, Wait a second, So
Speaker 3: I forgot Grayton Clark directed The un not the Uninvited,
Speaker 3: The uh without Warning, the first house cinema movie we did.
Speaker 3: That completely slipped my mind. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything comes back to I apologize. He's the Alpha
Speaker 2: and the Omega he is so So those are two
Speaker 2: notable films, definitely not kids films, but then another. They
Speaker 2: also wrote a screenplay titled Nightfall that went on to
Speaker 2: become a film called Pitch Black. So anytime you watch
Speaker 2: a Riddick movie you will see their names in the
Speaker 2: credit because they were involved in the original screenplay.
Speaker 3: Oh that's really funny, you know. I wouldn't say Pitch
Speaker 3: Black is a great film, but when I actually went
Speaker 3: back and watched it, it was much better than I
Speaker 3: was expecting. It has plenty of charms that still hold up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a fan of some of the like
Speaker 2: the cuts and the edits in the it feels it
Speaker 2: feels very to me anyway, it feels like music videos
Speaker 2: at that time. Yes, in a way that can be jarring.
Speaker 2: But that being said, I think it's a solid space
Speaker 2: monster movie with a little a little maybe the Machies
Speaker 2: mo is is ratcheted up to a level that is
Speaker 2: not not my go to level, right, but but I
Speaker 2: enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: But it also is an early indication. You get that
Speaker 3: glimmer of why Vin Diesel would turn out to be
Speaker 3: such a big movie star. I mean he is. He's
Speaker 3: just imminently lovable, even when he's playing a really bad dude.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And of course the cool thing about Riddick too, is it.
Speaker 2: I mean the first film was that it was pitch black,
Speaker 2: was a necessary precursor to Chronicles of Riddick, which, as
Speaker 2: you know, is my favorite Vin Diesel film.
Speaker 3: I know your love of Chronicles of Riddick. We actually
Speaker 3: watched this one together and the what are the they
Speaker 3: called the necromongers in it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, where the bow and armor.
Speaker 3: They look kind of like space Kurgans. It's good, but okay,
Speaker 3: we've been we've been burying the lead here. Okay, So
Speaker 3: the really important thing about this movie personnel wise is
Speaker 3: the big W. B. Wilford Brimley.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. Wilford Brimley plays his character Noah in it.
Speaker 2: This is the grumpy old man that is key to
Speaker 2: the film. Brimley is is interesting casting in this and
Speaker 2: it is It's it's kind of weird to think about
Speaker 2: Brimley as a cinematic icon because when you think of him,
Speaker 2: you think of oatmeal, you think of cowboy hats, you
Speaker 2: think of these rugged everyman rolls. Perhaps that's the thing.
Speaker 2: That's the thing here is that I feel like I
Speaker 2: mostly know him from the big science fiction films that
Speaker 2: he was in, namely John Carpenter is the thing, but
Speaker 2: also he was in Cocoon. He was also in some
Speaker 2: horror movies here and there as well. And granted he
Speaker 2: had some huge roles in some totally non weird films
Speaker 2: like Sidney Pollack's The Absence of Mallein for example. He's
Speaker 2: really great in that.
Speaker 3: He's in the firm. He plays like a like a
Speaker 3: bad henchman for the evil lawyers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he so it's weird.
Speaker 2: He's like he's great at playing like a rural, grumpy
Speaker 2: rural dude or like a grumpy lawyer dude. Like, it's
Speaker 2: weird how a character actor you know, will fit two
Speaker 2: molds that in real life.
Speaker 4: Or maybe a little further removed.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, in this he's clearly intended
Speaker 2: to be some sort of Heidi's grandfather sort of character,
Speaker 2: a grumpy old man whose heart is melted by a
Speaker 2: little kid. And he's the This is interesting. He's the
Speaker 2: rare Star Wars character who wear spectacles.
Speaker 3: Oh, I did not think of that. That's an interesting point. Yeah,
Speaker 3: is there another no one cares to mind?
Speaker 2: No. I mean there are characters that sometimes wear strange
Speaker 2: goggles and whatnot, you know, sort of sci fi goggles.
Speaker 2: But in terms of someone who's just straight up wearing glasses,
Speaker 2: I can't think of one offhand.
Speaker 3: It's like a class of two. It's Wilford Brimley and Maskatana.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Maybe there's some extended universe
Speaker 2: stuff where he his eyes. Because the thing is his
Speaker 2: character is stranded on the planet as well. We come
Speaker 2: to learn that he and his buddy with Sarah Crash
Speaker 2: landed on Indoor some unspecified number of years ago, Like
Speaker 2: it seems like maybe like twenty twenty five years maybe
Speaker 2: but maybe in that time his eyesight went bad and
Speaker 2: he had to like find like ancient ruins on the
Speaker 2: on indoor and find eyeglasses that had been constructed by
Speaker 2: a long dead civilization I don't know, or maybe he
Speaker 2: just wore eyeglasses I don't.
Speaker 3: Know in the Pyramids of Indoor. Yeah. Yeah, Well, so
Speaker 3: you say he's like Heidi's grandpa kind of character. He
Speaker 3: absolutely is that. But I would say the actual closer
Speaker 3: analogy within the Star Wars universe. And this is going
Speaker 3: to sound strange at first, but he's the Han Solo
Speaker 3: character in this movie. He's the person who is in
Speaker 3: initially gruff and grumpy and self interested, but comes through
Speaker 3: in the end because he made friends and he saves
Speaker 3: the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, I think that's fair. Yeah, he's he's kind
Speaker 2: of the Han Solo, an older rounder Han Solo with
Speaker 2: but certainly it has that journalist flare rather than you know,
Speaker 2: he's not a specialist. I would I would think if
Speaker 2: he was a Dungeons and Dragons character, his class would
Speaker 2: be action grandpa, because yeah, he's good at just fixing
Speaker 2: stuff and tinkering with stuff, but he's also really good
Speaker 2: with a with a walking stick, and a grappling hook gun.
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, yeah, so he's walking stick guy. But
Speaker 3: then at the end he busts out some real martial arts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's able to hold his own against an alien
Speaker 2: warlord that seems to be about eight feet tall, so
Speaker 2: you know he's he can come through in a pinch.
Speaker 3: Now, this movie also has we mentioned. I guess this
Speaker 3: might be the only character that is carried over from
Speaker 3: the actual films. It has Wicket the e walk who.
Speaker 3: I don't mean to be mean about this movie, because
Speaker 3: I did really enjoy it, and you know, I'm sure
Speaker 3: it's great for kids and all that, but something looks
Speaker 3: a little bit wrong with Wicket in this movie. In
Speaker 3: Return of the Jedi, Wicket the Ewok is cute. In
Speaker 3: this movie, he has Manson family eyes. I'm not sure
Speaker 3: exactly what's different it. I guess it's the same costume,
Speaker 3: but he has this terrifying blank stare that I don't
Speaker 3: recall from Return of the Jedi.
Speaker 2: Huh, I don't know. I didn't pick up on that
Speaker 2: as much.
Speaker 3: In this by beep beep, beep, beep beep, we have
Speaker 3: an incoming message from Seth. Seth has has knowledge we
Speaker 3: don't have about wicked eyes. Guys.
Speaker 5: I'm very very very sorry to interrupt, but I know
Speaker 5: this just from watching too many documentaries about the many
Speaker 5: small changes that have taken place in the updated versions
Speaker 5: of all the Star Wars movies. You know, one of
Speaker 5: the big things they did for a Return of the
Speaker 5: Jedi was no, no, I'm sorry, is that even the
Speaker 5: right name of.
Speaker 3: That movie, which was the third movie, Return of.
Speaker 5: The Jedi, Return of the Jedi. You got it that,
Speaker 5: I have those correct in my head. Return of the Jedi.
Speaker 5: One of the big changes they made was they went
Speaker 5: in and very subtly made all of the Ewok's eyes
Speaker 5: less creepy. From very subtle blinks. They gave them life,
Speaker 5: so they weren't actually looking like a little buttons. So, Joe,
Speaker 5: this is fascinating to me because you might actually have
Speaker 5: a vision of the Special Editions now updated in your
Speaker 5: mind their eyes look less creepy, when in reality, maybe
Speaker 5: this version of Wicket is the true version of Wickets.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what this is what we.
Speaker 5: Actually knew perhaps back in the eighties pre Special Editions.
Speaker 3: I don't know though, Oh thank you, Seth. Well, now
Speaker 3: I consider myself just fully shamed because I'm on record
Speaker 3: not Well. Then again, I don't like a lot of
Speaker 3: the stuff they did in the remasters, but a lot
Speaker 3: of the changes they made, for example, an Empire are good,
Speaker 3: you know, like the new Wampa and all that. That's
Speaker 3: good stuff. So maybe this is one of the good
Speaker 3: ones too.
Speaker 2: Could be well, yeah, if it's done right, you wouldn't notice, right,
Speaker 2: and so that this is one you don't notice, So
Speaker 2: it makes sense.
Speaker 3: But is Wicket in this movie still Warwick Davis?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's totally Warwick Davis. Warwick Davis is is is
Speaker 2: wicked and and always will be. But but it is
Speaker 2: interesting to watch him in this film knowing as Warwick
Speaker 2: Davis because in in when he's playing Wicket, there's really
Speaker 2: not much to the role, right, I mean, there's it's
Speaker 2: a physical role. You know, he's doing a fair amount
Speaker 2: of tumbling and whatnot. But considering Warwick Davis's place in
Speaker 2: you know, his subsequent career, he feels kind of wasted
Speaker 2: in this because of course he would go on to
Speaker 2: to be you know, he would be Willow, you know,
Speaker 2: the star of that Lucas fantasy film. He would be
Speaker 2: the Leprechaun and the Leprechaun horror films. He was in
Speaker 2: the Harry Potter movies playing various I think gobblin creatures.
Speaker 2: So he has all these other roles, sometimes not even
Speaker 2: playing a magical being, just playing a person.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: He has proven himself to be a you know, a
Speaker 2: good actor, a solid So it's it's interesting to watch
Speaker 2: this and know that he's you know, there's there's this,
Speaker 2: there's this future acting talent just sealed in this suit.
Speaker 3: I mean, he does a lot more with this role
Speaker 3: than you would than you would expect to be possible, because,
Speaker 3: to be fair, Wicket, there's not much on the page
Speaker 3: for Wicket in this story we were watching. Rachel commented
Speaker 3: halfway through the movie, Wicket is a yes man, and
Speaker 3: that is absolutely true. Wicket mostly in this film is
Speaker 3: just there to be like yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, this is true.
Speaker 2: But he also is kind of like he has his
Speaker 2: Jack Burton moment at the end because he comes through.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's needed, he comes through. Oh yeah, well
Speaker 2: he comes through more than once. There are a few
Speaker 2: times where he proves himself, you know, the fighting powerhouse
Speaker 2: of our adventuring party here.
Speaker 3: M hm. So despite the scary glassy eyes and the
Speaker 3: lack of substance for the role on the page. I
Speaker 3: think Warwick Davis does a great job playing Wicked in this.
Speaker 2: Now, another person of note in this film is the
Speaker 2: witch Charyl I believe her name, is played by Sion Phillips,
Speaker 2: probably the most seasoned actor in the whole production. She's
Speaker 2: She's a Welsh actor, probably best known for playing Reverend
Speaker 2: Mother guyas Helen Mullhem in David Lynch's Dune.
Speaker 3: You remember her, Oh yeah, you will? You will feel Mike,
Speaker 3: I'm jabbar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she's Yes, she's fabulous in Dune, a weird
Speaker 2: movie we should probably come back to, because even even
Speaker 2: if you strip away the dune in Dune, there's plenty
Speaker 2: of just additional Lynchian weirdness in that film. But yeah,
Speaker 2: she's great in that. She was also in Iclaudius, she
Speaker 2: played Cassiopeia in Clash of the Titans, and she also
Speaker 2: just did a ton of British TV work, seemingly, you know,
Speaker 2: most of it historical sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: So I have a question about this character. She shows up,
Speaker 3: she's wearing like a metal corset, and she she looks
Speaker 3: kind of like, what's that there's a character in Mortal
Speaker 3: Kombat who she kind of reminds me of. I'm not
Speaker 3: quite sure what she was called, but she's got like
Speaker 3: long hair and she's evil.
Speaker 2: Well, confusingly, the character you're thinking of in Mortal Kombat
Speaker 2: is Sindel, oh, which is also the girl. Yeah, Sindel.
Speaker 2: Sindel is the girl. Sindell is the evil version in
Speaker 2: Mortal Kanbat.
Speaker 3: Okay, but yeah, so she looks kind of like that.
Speaker 3: But then she's a witch like she she has sorceress powers,
Speaker 3: and so that makes me wonder in the context of
Speaker 3: Star Wars, does that mean she is a force user?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: So okay, yeah, So this is where it gets complex
Speaker 2: and geeky again because within the context of this film
Speaker 2: alone and It's time, she just seems to be a
Speaker 2: magical witch thrown in. She's the Witch of Indoor, get it,
Speaker 2: you know? Biblical?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, exactly, So she should be calling up the
Speaker 3: prophet Samuel to give a give an omen for the battle.
Speaker 2: I guess. So, I mean it's kind of what she does.
Speaker 2: That's kind of a role here. We can sort of
Speaker 2: see the inspiration here, but subsequently it has been retconned,
Speaker 2: I think to understand that she was a.
Speaker 4: Rogue Night Sister.
Speaker 2: So Night Sisters are female practitioners of the Force, female
Speaker 2: force sensitive individuals who use the Dark Side and are
Speaker 2: capable of great magic. In many cases. They're native to
Speaker 2: the planet Dathomir, which is also the planet that Darth
Speaker 2: Maul's species comes from, and basically in the Clone Wars
Speaker 2: animated series, and I think some in Rebels I don't
Speaker 2: recall exactly. Mainly in Clone Wars we see these Night
Speaker 2: Sister characters showing up and playing an important role and
Speaker 2: at times working with or working against the interests of
Speaker 2: the Sith.
Speaker 3: But so there, Well, she's got power is that no
Speaker 3: other Force user ever has in Star Wars like she
Speaker 3: can transform into animals. Anakin Skywalker couldn't do that. Even
Speaker 3: I don't think Yoda could transform into an animal.
Speaker 2: Now, I mean this is but it does feel in
Speaker 2: keeping with Night Sister magic. Like the stuff that the
Speaker 2: Night Sisters do in the Clone Wars series are more
Speaker 2: or more like straight up magic, you know, like bringing
Speaker 2: things back to life, necromantic acts, that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: That being said, I do admit like in this film,
Speaker 2: she feels, she feels like something other than the Force
Speaker 2: even if she's ultimately using the Force.
Speaker 3: I don't recall anybody in this film mentioning the Force.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't know the Force exists, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's she's like a straight up witch in this film.
Speaker 2: And I say that Phillips isn't given a ton to
Speaker 2: do with this role. But but she's good. I would
Speaker 2: have liked to have seen more from her character, but
Speaker 2: she still she plays a great witch. She has a
Speaker 2: really awesome costume, and the effects are really nice when
Speaker 2: she transforms into a because she already has like a
Speaker 2: rave any feathery cloak and all. And she has this
Speaker 2: magic ring that seems to contain the magic she uses,
Speaker 2: or focuses the magic she's using, We're not sure, but
Speaker 2: it plays an important role later on in the film.
Speaker 3: So she's one of the main villains. But then the
Speaker 3: other main villain is the leader of these marauder aliens.
Speaker 3: I was when we were watching it. I kept calling
Speaker 3: him thulsav Room. So he's the guy who leads the
Speaker 3: bad guys who show up at the village at the
Speaker 3: beginning and screw everything up, and he wants power and
Speaker 3: he wants there's like a I don't know how to
Speaker 3: explain the plot, but I guess we'll get into that
Speaker 3: in a minute. But there's this piece of technology from
Speaker 3: a spaceship that he wants because he thinks it'll give
Speaker 3: him power. So he's the same species as these other marauders,
Speaker 3: meaning he looks kind of like a reptilian insect orangutan
Speaker 3: skeleton type creature, but also with certain angles his silhouette
Speaker 3: and his face hair because he's got this cool beard.
Speaker 3: He looks like James Randy looked in the eighties. Did
Speaker 3: you notice this comparison picture of the amazing Randy like
Speaker 3: on Johnny Carson in the seventies or eighties. It's it's
Speaker 3: this guy. It's Terrek.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 2: I didn't get that as much as I got kind
Speaker 2: of a faint like George C. Scott vibe from him.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's a very different direction.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this is this is Terrek, the towering warlord
Speaker 2: of the Marauders. I also say that, even though all
Speaker 2: the Marauders tend to look pretty good, clearly Terrek, when
Speaker 2: you're the ruler of a group of marauders, you're gonna
Speaker 2: get more screen time. You're also going to get more
Speaker 2: of that FX budget. So while sometimes the guys in
Speaker 2: the background are look maybe you know, they look all right.
Speaker 2: Terrek looks really good, like the makeup effects are really well.
Speaker 4: Done on him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: And he's played by the towering Dutch actor Carl Strucken,
Speaker 2: who would who went on to play Lurch in both
Speaker 2: nineties Adams Family movies as well as the Giant on
Speaker 2: Twin Peaks. And he's been in a ton of stuff.
Speaker 2: And I think he did the voice of Terrek as well.
Speaker 2: I was looking at the credits to see if they
Speaker 2: were doing that thing where they have a different voice
Speaker 2: actor for a very physical role. But I think this
Speaker 2: is Stroken doing the voice as well, and it's his deep,
Speaker 2: you know, giant voice, and it's it's quite effective.
Speaker 3: You know. Where he really looks great, even better than
Speaker 3: in the movie is in this poster you showed me
Speaker 3: for the movie that you found where it's like holding
Speaker 3: a big sword. He's like this the Darth Vader in
Speaker 3: the original Star Wars poster, towering over everything, looming in
Speaker 3: the background. Though, I have to say also, and I
Speaker 3: know you you pointed this out as well, this poster
Speaker 3: is extremely misleading about what's in this movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And apparently this was like the home video video
Speaker 2: version of the poster too, like this, this was not
Speaker 2: just pre product stuff like this. They were like, it's good,
Speaker 2: put it on the VHS and send it out, because
Speaker 2: it does have a whole bunch of weird things that
Speaker 2: clearly show that it was created prior to the completion
Speaker 2: of the movie. Like, I don't know where to begin here.
Speaker 2: For instance, it has a giant teek. It's got multiple
Speaker 2: space ships in the background, even though there's only ever
Speaker 2: one it has.
Speaker 3: There are space battles in this movie, but yeah, it
Speaker 3: makes it look like there's going to be.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It also shows a han solo looking character with a
Speaker 2: blaster on the front that I think is supposed to
Speaker 2: be the dad from the first movie. But yeah, it
Speaker 2: makes no sense here because he played even the dad
Speaker 2: in this movie plays no real role.
Speaker 3: Yeah, whoever this is, this is not somebody in the movie. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then you have you have Wicket Antique there standing
Speaker 2: battle ready. But then you have a Sindal there holding
Speaker 2: a big old knife, like a big dagger, like she's
Speaker 2: ready to jump into combat and start stabbing a maroder
Speaker 2: in the neck.
Speaker 3: That is not indicative of what happens in the movie
Speaker 3: and she it looks like I don't know. I wondered
Speaker 3: if also in this depiction they're trying to make it
Speaker 3: more ambiguous that she might be a boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I can see that too, like if.
Speaker 3: They were like, oh, we need to make sure that
Speaker 3: boys want to watch this, so don't want to give
Speaker 3: them the impression that the main character is a girl.
Speaker 2: I'm glad the Blurg made the cover too, though the
Speaker 2: Blurd's in the background totally.
Speaker 3: And there are these mountains that I don't recall being
Speaker 3: in the movie, these like snow capped peaks. Is that
Speaker 3: in the film?
Speaker 4: I don't think so, I don't remember any mountains. Now
Speaker 4: there's like.
Speaker 3: A cliff at one part, but I don't know we
Speaker 3: can get into that. Okay, well, maybe we should just
Speaker 3: give a brief outline of the whole plot, so you
Speaker 3: know the shape of the thing. So we've talked about
Speaker 3: how it starts at you know, this Conan, the Barbarian
Speaker 3: beginning the villages rated the humans Sindel the little girl.
Speaker 3: By the way, I don't know if I mentioned this already,
Speaker 3: but I had to look it up because they've got
Speaker 3: this actress name to Aubrey Miller playing Sindel, the main character,
Speaker 3: the girl, the blonde girl, and clearly they wanted Drew
Speaker 3: barrymore right. This came out two or three years after ET,
Speaker 3: and they were like, let's get Drew Berry Moore. But
Speaker 3: maybe they couldn't afford her or something, so they were like, well,
Speaker 3: get us the Barry Morris kid you can find, And
Speaker 3: I think that's how we ended up with this main
Speaker 3: character here.
Speaker 2: You know, there's apparently a fan theory that Sindel grows
Speaker 2: up to be Captain FAsMA from the sequel trilogy. What. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, there's nothing canon or anything here, but some
Speaker 2: fans put that together and I think they what's your name,
Speaker 2: Gwendolyn Christie, She's also yeah. They was like, yeah, they're
Speaker 2: both blonde. Maybe the math works, I don't know. And
Speaker 2: also this does seem like the kind of experience that
Speaker 2: might harden you towards a life serving the first Order,
Speaker 2: so it kind of makes sense.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Oh right, So the idea is she's exposed to these
Speaker 3: roving bands of marauders. She's like, it's just chaos out here.
Speaker 3: We need order, we need orders, So she's sign up
Speaker 3: with the Empire, try to bring law.
Speaker 2: Order to do this traumatic experience. Yeah, and what direction
Speaker 2: do you go in? She ends up going going that direction.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I don't think it's I don't
Speaker 2: think anybody's gone so far as to do a treatment
Speaker 2: of that, uh in a you know, in novel form
Speaker 2: or anything, or short story form, but that would it
Speaker 2: would be interesting to see how that might be stitched together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's very interesting, though my mind is set
Speaker 3: on it. So, Sindel her human family, they're living with
Speaker 3: the e walks there, Paul Gleeson, her dad, is working
Speaker 3: on this spaceship, trying to repair it or something, and
Speaker 3: then they get attacked by the marauders and then just
Speaker 3: all the humans except Sindel are killed and uh and
Speaker 3: and so the leader of the bad guys, thulsav Room,
Speaker 3: he obviously wants some kind of canister from out of
Speaker 3: Paul Gleeson's spaceship and when he you know, he he
Speaker 3: tries to get it and he's like, the power, I
Speaker 3: have the power. And then this is also where we
Speaker 3: meet the sorceress. And then Sindel and her Ewok buddies
Speaker 3: are captured by the marauding creatures and Wicket promises to
Speaker 3: take care of her. He says, Wicket, take care of Sindel.
Speaker 3: So he speaks in the third person and invokes his
Speaker 3: own name. He's like a very cute teddy bear, Bob Dole.
Speaker 3: And then the Ewoks escape the marauders who have captured them.
Speaker 3: Wicket and Sindel get away, And this movie very much
Speaker 3: continues on the theme that's established in the Return of
Speaker 3: the Jedi that while the Ewoks may look extremely cute
Speaker 3: and like living teddy bears, they are also highly resourceful
Speaker 3: jungle gorilla warriors. They're like the Vietcong of Indoor. They
Speaker 3: know how to use the environment. They set traps, you know,
Speaker 3: they've got very clever tactics for the landscape.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when they are fighting on their own terms, on
Speaker 2: their home turf, they just can't be beat. They can
Speaker 2: take out the Galactic Empire as long as they're fighting
Speaker 2: within the forest of Indoor and using guerrilla tactics.
Speaker 3: Yes, so Wicked and Sendel escape. And this escape sequence
Speaker 3: involves what appears to be teleportation. Do you remember the
Speaker 3: spart where they're just running through the woods and then
Speaker 3: it just cuts to them most of the way up
Speaker 3: a cliff.
Speaker 4: Face.
Speaker 3: I don't know if something was edited out there or
Speaker 3: if they're like, ah, people get the point.
Speaker 2: It feels like that was this cut for time a
Speaker 2: little bit there. Yeah, but it's otherwise a great escape
Speaker 2: sequence because there's like this, you know, they cut a
Speaker 2: hole through the bottom of this cart. They have this
Speaker 2: cart that is being pulled by a blurg and the
Speaker 2: cart seems to be made out of blurg bones and hide.
Speaker 2: So I was like that, and yeah, then they're on
Speaker 2: the run and two marauders are after them, and they
Speaker 2: managed to like duck into a cave and like Wicket
Speaker 2: basically like straight up like murders, the two marauders that
Speaker 2: are after them like the well, now I guess he does.
Speaker 2: And I think the marauders, through their own reckless islands,
Speaker 2: managed to dislodge some boulders that then fall on them
Speaker 2: and you know, make them fall to their deaths.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. They get knocked off of the pass
Speaker 3: of Carodras.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Then they encounter a dragon condor and they have to
Speaker 2: battle that and she gets snatched away by it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: They go into a cave and is Wicket trying to
Speaker 3: build a hang glider. I think he's just building one
Speaker 3: out of bones and hides and stuff. Very cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's the other thing to can mind
Speaker 2: about the Ewoks, Like, yes, they're using like stone age technology,
Speaker 2: but they have mastered non powered flight, Like they can
Speaker 2: build a functional glider and just go for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So he builds that, and then they accidentally disturb
Speaker 3: a dragon. And then what is the deal with this
Speaker 3: dragon's chest? It looks like it's wearing a vest of
Speaker 3: some kind. Do you remember this?
Speaker 2: I don't remember the chest to the drag. I mainly
Speaker 2: just remember it's you know, he has kind of like
Speaker 2: a snaky condory head.
Speaker 3: Uh huh. Well, okay, So the dragon grabs Sindel and
Speaker 3: flies off with her, and then Wickett has to rescue her,
Speaker 3: which he does by like making the dragon drop her
Speaker 3: and then flying down and catching her after she's been
Speaker 3: dropped in a physically implausible scene. But it works. You know,
Speaker 3: it's fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But one of the things that I noted this maybe
Speaker 3: extremely brief monster science note. When they watch the dragon
Speaker 3: flying away, there's this part where they show a planet
Speaker 3: looming over the horizon and it takes up literally half
Speaker 3: the sky. I guess that's supposed to be the gas
Speaker 3: giant that this moon is a moon of Yeah, but
Speaker 3: I was like, that just looks too big. That is
Speaker 3: implausibly big. Though it did make me look up. And
Speaker 3: I think we've sort of talked about this on the
Speaker 3: show before when we were talking about the moons of Jupiter.
Speaker 3: But there are moons you could stand on in our
Speaker 3: Solar system where if you look at the planet that
Speaker 3: this is a moon of the planet, would look much
Speaker 3: bigger than things we're used to seeing in the sky.
Speaker 3: For example, if you stand on the surface of the
Speaker 3: innermost major moon of Jupiter, the Galilean moon Ioh, which
Speaker 3: is very yellow, sulfurous hell, lots of volcanoes erupting all
Speaker 3: the time, you stand on the surface of Io and
Speaker 3: you look at Jupiter, Jupiter would not take up half
Speaker 3: the sky, but it would be very big compared to
Speaker 3: like stuff we're used to seeing, like the Sun or
Speaker 3: the Moon. You can usually, I think cover up the
Speaker 3: Moon if you extend your armfully and you can like
Speaker 3: cover it up with one finger. To cover up Jupiter
Speaker 3: from the surface of Io, you'd probably have to use
Speaker 3: your whole hand. So it's bigger, but it's still not
Speaker 3: the whole sky.
Speaker 2: Right, I guess I didn't notice as much. Maybe, I
Speaker 2: mean I didn't think about it. But I've been playing
Speaker 2: this game No Man's Sky a little bit.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fun beautiful game. You're exploring planets landing on it.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of that in this game, yes,
Speaker 2: where you land on some strange, beautiful world and the
Speaker 2: horizon is just ridunculous. Yeah, like gorgeous. But yeah, if
Speaker 2: you start thinking about the relative size and distances involved,
Speaker 2: it's a bit much at times.
Speaker 3: But so in Sindel, they're out in the woods here
Speaker 3: after they've escaped, and then then they meet the real
Speaker 3: star of the film, which is a tricksy beast with
Speaker 3: scruffy fur and beaver teeth that runs on fast forward.
Speaker 3: And this is Teak, who we've already alluded to. Teak
Speaker 3: is just the best Teak is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's awesome. My wife thinks he has frightening teeth.
Speaker 2: I don't think he is fright He has very He's
Speaker 2: very rabbit like, both in his dental mechanics but also
Speaker 2: in just his overall form. He's this kind of like
Speaker 2: little rabbity fella that runs around at speeds that must
Speaker 2: make him the fastest creature in the Star Wars universe.
Speaker 3: Here's the real question. Is Teak an ewok?
Speaker 4: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I look, according to Wookipedia, his species is Teak.
Speaker 3: So maybe the new season of The Mandalorian, we'll have
Speaker 3: a baby Teak.
Speaker 4: Oh Man.
Speaker 2: I would love for Teak to show up again in
Speaker 2: some form or another. I feel like he was an
Speaker 2: absolute joy. It's, you know, very much a It's an
Speaker 2: interesting story with Teak because it's very much a little
Speaker 2: person in a suit, very well done, very well acted.
Speaker 2: The suit is in the like the puppetry that that moves,
Speaker 2: the facial features is is just very well done. I
Speaker 2: totally bought Teak as an actual creature in this. But
Speaker 2: the some of the lore apparently is that Wilfrid Brimley
Speaker 2: apparently can be difficult to get along with and for starters.
Speaker 2: I don't think he liked the directors on this, and
Speaker 2: so if somebody else had to direct him in all
Speaker 2: of his scenes. But on top of this, Peak was
Speaker 2: going to originally be either exclusively a puppet or it
Speaker 2: was going to be a puppet more of the time,
Speaker 2: and Wilfrid was just having none of this. He's like,
Speaker 2: I am not acting the opposite a puppet. You get
Speaker 2: a person in here in a suit, I'll act against
Speaker 2: a person, but get that puppet out of here.
Speaker 3: That's just perfect. Well he's like a puppet. That's witchcraft.
Speaker 3: You know. He doesn't like it at all. But anyway,
Speaker 3: this alludes to the fact that the Teak and Wilfred
Speaker 3: Brimley are a duo. In this movie. Teak leads Sindell
Speaker 3: and Wicket the e walk to the home of Wilfrid Brimley. Again.
Speaker 3: The character's name is Noah, and we meet Wilfred Brimley
Speaker 3: and he's very ornery and he tries to send them away.
Speaker 3: He's like, you can't stay here, get out of my house,
Speaker 3: and the little girl's just like, well, he's just a
Speaker 3: mean old man anyway. But he makes them depart the
Speaker 3: Kingdom of Brimley. So they sit outside being sad and pathetic.
Speaker 3: They're like, we're cold, we're hungry, and he's like, well,
Speaker 3: I'm a mean old man and I don't care. But
Speaker 3: then his heart, with some urging from Teak, his heart
Speaker 3: eventually melts and he lets them into the house and
Speaker 3: they share a fire and then he becomes he becomes
Speaker 3: nice grandpa instead of mean grandpa. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was watching this movie with my son and he
Speaker 2: was initially not having any of this. The this Noah
Speaker 2: character is like, Yeah, this guy's awful.
Speaker 4: He is mean. I don't like him.
Speaker 2: But then yeah, he has a rapid change of heart,
Speaker 2: and then he's all in for the rest of the movie.
Speaker 3: Speaking of the resourcefulness of the Ewoks, one of the
Speaker 3: things that I really enjoyed was there's a scene where
Speaker 3: Wicket makes a fire with a bow drill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird. The domestic scenes in this film are
Speaker 2: some of my favorites. Like they just warm my heart
Speaker 2: in a way that I can't fully explain. But just
Speaker 2: the scenes where they're just setting around eating or cooking
Speaker 2: or playing music together, like these are just, I don't know,
Speaker 2: they're just they're just totally warm experiences. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: I like those more than anything else.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of puppets eating food or I don't
Speaker 3: know if they I guess the facial puppetry of of
Speaker 3: Teak and stuff that I guess that would still be
Speaker 3: puppetry even though there's an actor playing Teak. But like
Speaker 3: the uh, there's the scene where they're eating a pie
Speaker 3: made out of flowers. I didn't fully understand that, like
Speaker 3: they gathered flowers. They're like, we're making pie, and okay.
Speaker 3: But then so after all this, you get these nice
Speaker 3: domestic scenes. They share a fire, they eat flower pie,
Speaker 3: and then we finally cut to the Castle of Pain.
Speaker 3: It shows these these stone towers. I don't know what
Speaker 3: castle they used to film this at, but it's this
Speaker 3: nasty castle where the skeleton orangutan insect creatures live and
Speaker 3: the raven sorceresses there, and they're all hanging out trying
Speaker 3: to do some kind of magic spell on the canister
Speaker 3: from Paul Gleeson's spaceship. But I didn't really understand this either,
Speaker 3: But maybe it wasn't supposed to make sense.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I probably thought about it way too much because I
Speaker 2: think what we have here is that the Marauders at
Speaker 2: some time in the past themselves crash landed on Indoor,
Speaker 2: and at this point they no longer I suspect that
Speaker 2: the Marauders were more of a primitive society on their
Speaker 2: home world, like maybe they had achieved you know, like
Speaker 2: iron age or or maybe Bronze age technology before they
Speaker 2: got sucked up into galactic affairs, you know, forced to
Speaker 2: be a warrior, cast by some group or another, and
Speaker 2: just thrown in over their head given technology that they
Speaker 2: don't really understand but figure out how to use effectively,
Speaker 2: like the blasters that they have, you know, that are
Speaker 2: all just again held together with dirty gauze. There are
Speaker 2: a couple of scenes of one of them setting around
Speaker 2: drunkenly tinkering with some sort of electrical contraption and electric
Speaker 2: uting itself in the process. So yeah, you get that
Speaker 2: sense that they sort of know how the technology works,
Speaker 2: they know it well enough to use it, but they
Speaker 2: don't understand other concepts. So at some point in their
Speaker 2: past they might have understood that they need a power
Speaker 2: sell to give them the power to return to orbit
Speaker 2: and return to galactic affairs. But at this point, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe it's generations afterwards. All that has survived is this
Speaker 2: idea that if they get a hold of a power cell,
Speaker 2: that is the power. And so Terrek believes that he
Speaker 2: no longer understands it in in terms of technological power,
Speaker 2: but in terms of like personal cosmic power, personal magical power.
Speaker 3: Through the decay of the lore over the years, what
Speaker 3: was initially a technological utilitarian need has become a religion.
Speaker 3: We need this object of power in order to give
Speaker 3: us basically the magic to do what we want.
Speaker 2: Right, And as far as the castle goes, I interpreted
Speaker 2: that as being like ruins that they found, like those
Speaker 2: are the ruins of some even you know, some previous
Speaker 2: Indrian civilization that was snuffed out or expired.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I guess that would make sense. So they're
Speaker 3: trying to work their magic and it's not going well.
Speaker 3: And then as we come back to Wilfred Brimley, Sindel
Speaker 3: and Wicked and Teak and they're in the problem. Well, actually,
Speaker 3: they find out that Wilfrid Brimley himself has a crash spaceship.
Speaker 3: Seems that there are a lot of crash spaceships around here,
Speaker 3: and he's been trying to repair it. Right, is he's
Speaker 3: been working on it for all these years?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Basically, Again, the comparisons between this movie and No Man
Speaker 2: Sky are tremendous because you land on a planet No
Speaker 2: Man Sky and they're just crash spaceships everywhere, and that's
Speaker 2: kind of how it is here. Yeah, So he has
Speaker 2: a crash spaceship, but he has he's been working to
Speaker 2: repair it, but he does not have a power cell.
Speaker 3: So and then in the process of discovering this, the
Speaker 3: characters just get more and more sappy toward each other.
Speaker 3: Wilfrid Brimley gets all sweet and he opens up to
Speaker 3: the child and the e walk. He gets Sindel to
Speaker 3: sing a song at one point, and I don't mean
Speaker 3: to be mean to this child actor, but it is
Speaker 3: so bad, like Wickett can barely pretend to clap at
Speaker 3: the end of the song. Another thing I noticed that.
Speaker 3: So you mentioned that the cart made by the Marauder
Speaker 3: creatures looks like it's made out of bones, and you're
Speaker 3: right about that. Maybe it's made out of the Blurg bones.
Speaker 3: Sometimes Wilfrid Brimley's hut in the woods also looks like
Speaker 3: it's made out of bones like that, Like that's stone
Speaker 3: age mammoth bone hut we talked about in an episode
Speaker 3: not too long ago.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it seems like there are various megafauna
Speaker 2: on the planet that can be butchered and made into houses.
Speaker 3: But it's the forest moon of Indoor though, like they're
Speaker 3: not hurting for lumber.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's true. Yeah, why there's wood everywhere. Why build
Speaker 2: anything out of a bone?
Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting, I wonder. But anyway, so one morning you
Speaker 3: get the third act kicks into gear because one morning
Speaker 3: Sindell is lured out of the house by something that
Speaker 3: she thinks is the sound of her mother's singing, and
Speaker 3: then Wicked and Wilfrid Brimley go after her, and Sindell
Speaker 3: comes across this weird fairy type lady in a flowing
Speaker 3: white dress who's out in the forest with a white horse.
Speaker 3: But of course it's a trap. This is the Sorceress,
Speaker 3: the witch from the beginning. She snatches Sindel and rides
Speaker 3: off on a horse to the Castle of Pain.
Speaker 2: Yeah the horse turns black and then process oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah uh. And then thulsav Rooum wants Sindel to
Speaker 3: use her magic to make the stolen canister work, and
Speaker 3: she of course doesn't know how to do this, and
Speaker 3: then he has a meltdown and throws her in a
Speaker 3: prison cell. But there's a there's a rescue scene that
Speaker 3: kicks off. So Wilford, Brimley, Wicket and Teak they they
Speaker 3: sort of gear up and they go to the castle
Speaker 3: on a mission of rescue. There's a grappling hook infiltration.
Speaker 3: This whole infiltration scene with with Teak, I think is
Speaker 3: really fun.
Speaker 2: It is, it's it's it's a lot of fun because
Speaker 2: you got you got the grappling hook going in. It's
Speaker 2: you know, Teak is your stealth specialist flying ahead. There's
Speaker 2: a oh, there's a there's a wonderful scene where where
Speaker 2: once they are inside and just getting in is pretty exciting.
Speaker 2: But then they they all three stack up on top
Speaker 2: of each other and put a cloak over themselves to
Speaker 2: pretend to be one marauder to in order to pass
Speaker 2: unnoticed through their drunken meat hall.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, the bad guys are doing this thing where
Speaker 3: I guess this sometimes happens, especially in kids movies, where
Speaker 3: the bad guys are all hanging out and they're having
Speaker 3: a big old feast and they're eating and drinking and
Speaker 3: they're just constantly emitting non stop, growling, maniacal laughter, and
Speaker 3: it makes you wonder, what are they talking about? What's
Speaker 3: so funny? It's just non.
Speaker 2: Stop Yeah, yeah, I don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 2: I mean, clearly they're talking about. I mean, there's that
Speaker 2: one guy who's working with electrical equipment, so maybe there's
Speaker 2: a lot of like insider techie humor on his end,
Speaker 2: but everybody else is just drinking and laughing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But then Wilfrid Brimley, Wicket Antique free the Ewoks
Speaker 3: and Sindell from the Castle prison. The escape sequence reveals
Speaker 3: that Ewoks once again, they're pretty handy with blasters in
Speaker 3: a pinch, and everybody escapes via a zip line, and
Speaker 3: then they do the thing they do, the thing that
Speaker 3: Kevin McAllister does in Home Alone, where the bad guys
Speaker 3: try to come on the zip line after them and
Speaker 3: they cut it so they fall into the moat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the acid moat?
Speaker 3: Oh is it? Is it acid or does it have
Speaker 3: some kind of creature in it? I couldn't tell if
Speaker 3: it was supposed to be piranhas or if the liquid
Speaker 3: itself was harmful.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're a little they're a little vague on
Speaker 2: that point.
Speaker 3: There's something in there that bubbles and messes you up. Oh,
Speaker 3: and there's a great line I love when they're reunited.
Speaker 3: So we find out that Wilford Brimley had a friend
Speaker 3: that he crash landed on this planet with and and
Speaker 3: his bones are there in the Castle of Pain. And
Speaker 3: when they when Sindel and Wilford Brimley meet back up,
Speaker 3: Sindel says to him, I'm sorry about your friend. They
Speaker 3: killed him for the power thing.
Speaker 2: And there there is Serah's bones, like just bones just
Speaker 2: basically it's been a high school science display.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like really dry bones, like they look fossilized. So
Speaker 3: I don't know along Wilfred Brimley supposed to have been there,
Speaker 3: but yeah.
Speaker 2: Now and when they're when they're freeing the ewoks, an
Speaker 2: important thing is that there's a second there where the witch.
Speaker 2: The Witch is locked up too, we've learned, and all
Speaker 2: this of the Witch is is is as much a
Speaker 2: prisoner as they are in many ways, like Carrot keeps
Speaker 2: asking her to release the magic and she can't do it.
Speaker 2: And there's this confusing scene when they're still locked up
Speaker 2: where the Witch is like like talking to a Sindel
Speaker 2: and says, well, why didn't you release the magic when
Speaker 2: you asks you release the magic? Did you try waving
Speaker 2: your hand over it or something? And it seems it's
Speaker 2: a confusing sequence that, more than anything in this film,
Speaker 2: forces me to do a lot of mental gymnastics to
Speaker 2: make work, because if she she's like this magical being,
Speaker 2: like where does she come from? Like the night Sister
Speaker 2: excuse like that seems to work for a lot of this.
Speaker 2: You can say, well, she's a you know, a forced
Speaker 2: sensitive individual from another planet like everybody else in this scenario.
Speaker 2: She got stuck on this planet or got stuck with
Speaker 2: the Marauders at some point or another. But she clearly
Speaker 2: knows about spaceships. She that's revealed later. She you know,
Speaker 2: she's she, I guess, knows about a wider universe. So
Speaker 2: doesn't she realize this is a power cell? The best
Speaker 2: I can do to understand this is maybe she's just
Speaker 2: been in with the Marauders so long. She's like she's
Speaker 2: gone mad. She's like bought into Trek's madness, into thinking
Speaker 2: that the power cell has magical properties.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: That is an admirable retcon rob you. You've come as
Speaker 3: close as a person could.
Speaker 2: Come, because otherwise it's a real I say, it's a
Speaker 2: real weak point in this particular script. But at any rate,
Speaker 2: they Seendel refuses to let Wicket free. Her says no,
Speaker 2: she's evil, and swats the keys out of his hands,
Speaker 2: and then go down to the sewer, and then and
Speaker 2: then Once the good guys have escaped, the Marauders come back.
Speaker 2: They act for a second like they're just gonna gun
Speaker 2: down the witch in the cage, but instead they free
Speaker 2: her and they're like, yeah, come with thus, and you're
Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna get this thing back. She transforms into
Speaker 2: her raven form, but after she does so, Terrek takes
Speaker 2: the magic ring off of the ravens claw there and
Speaker 2: puts it on a necklace around his own neck. Presumably
Speaker 2: this means she cannot change back into her human form
Speaker 2: until she gets that ring back from Terrek. Oh.
Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't understand that at the time. Now I do.
Speaker 3: That makes sense. But Terrek also seems to maybe is
Speaker 3: he getting power from the ring or something? I don't know.
Speaker 3: Is it like is it like the one Ring?
Speaker 2: I don't think he gets anything out of it. No,
Speaker 2: until in the very final scene with him, he gets
Speaker 2: it in all the wrong ways, which, well, right, we'll
Speaker 2: touch on.
Speaker 3: So the Marauders then chase our heroes. They chase Wilfrid Brimley, Sindell,
Speaker 3: and the e walks an Teak, and the heroes are
Speaker 3: going to remember Wilford Brimley has a spaceship that's up
Speaker 3: on cinder blocks in his yard. They're going to that
Speaker 3: and Wilfrid Brimley is going to do something with the
Speaker 3: power cell. I think he's going to repair his ship,
Speaker 3: and I don't know they'll escape or something. But there's
Speaker 3: of course there of course has to be an Ewok battle,
Speaker 3: just like in Return of the Jedi, and there is one.
Speaker 3: So the Ewoks battle the marauders in the woods and
Speaker 3: they use traps and they use the environment and it's
Speaker 3: much like the Return of the Jedi scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's marauders versus e Woks, and it's pretty good.
Speaker 2: Lots of traps going off, and then eventually Noah gets
Speaker 2: the ship's defenses running, so he starts busting out. First
Speaker 2: of all, there's like this enormous blaster cannon on the
Speaker 2: side of the ship that folds out and starts taking
Speaker 2: down enemies. And then there are also these two what
Speaker 2: seemed to be open air gunnery positions, Like they're not
Speaker 2: completely enclosed, so either that's a flawed in the whole
Speaker 2: design or they're only intended for use steering, like while
Speaker 2: the ship is in an atmosphere or something. But at
Speaker 2: any rate, they've got like three gunnery positions now, I think,
Speaker 2: adding to the use of traps. And they have a catapult,
Speaker 2: which of course ends up firing an Ewok at a
Speaker 2: Marauder at one point, right, he gets in on the action.
Speaker 2: There's a wonderful scene where he starts a little fire
Speaker 2: underneath one of the Blurg's feet. He starts a Blurg stampede.
Speaker 3: I mean, since he is essentially the flash, he would
Speaker 3: think he would be pretty useful in a fight. He
Speaker 3: can like fast forward run to any position.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he wraps he fast forward vine wraps the
Speaker 2: Marauder to a tree at one point.
Speaker 3: Yes, there are lots of vines that That also makes
Speaker 3: me think about how the spaceship is not only so,
Speaker 3: the spaceship that's up on cinder blocks is covered in
Speaker 3: vines that look very flammable. When they start shooting the lasers,
Speaker 3: it looks like, I don't know, it looks like a
Speaker 3: fire hazard. But of course, the as you might expect,
Speaker 3: it's a yubnub. The humans and the Ewoks win the
Speaker 3: battle against the Marauders. And yeah, but then the bad
Speaker 3: guy Trek He even after the battle is over, he
Speaker 3: captures Sindel and he tries to bargain with Wilfrid Brimley.
Speaker 3: He's like, give me the power, defy me, and she
Speaker 3: is doomed. And then Wilfrid Brimley and Tulsa Thulsa room duel,
Speaker 3: so it's Soared versus Walking Stick, and for a second
Speaker 3: it looks like Terrek is gonna win, but then Wickett
Speaker 3: uses his sling and hits I guess the jewel on
Speaker 3: the ring on Terrek's necklace that he got from the witch,
Speaker 3: and for some reason, hitting that with the sling or
Speaker 3: the stone from the sling makes Terrek get just crispified.
Speaker 3: He just sort of like burns up and turns into
Speaker 3: an ash husk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great petrification scene because it's like it
Speaker 2: hits the ring. And then Arrek has this moment. You know,
Speaker 2: he's wanted power this whole time, he wants magical power,
Speaker 2: and now he's gotten it, and you know, not from
Speaker 2: the source he was after, but here's the power, and
Speaker 2: it just just fries him like a charp oil, like
Speaker 2: just chah charborl like it, like you just put him
Speaker 2: in the microwave too long, just turns him to this
Speaker 2: smoking ash and stone and it's it's a pretty great sequence.
Speaker 2: And then afterwards, like the wickets trying to get too
Speaker 2: close to it, and Noah's like, don't, don't, don't, don't
Speaker 2: even look at it, don't get close to it. It's
Speaker 2: just like just an unwholesome affair.
Speaker 3: It doesn't taste as good as he smells. But then
Speaker 3: of course they fly away, Wilford, Brimley and Sindel evacuate
Speaker 3: the planet. The Sindel is now a child of space,
Speaker 3: and I don't know what happens after that. Maybe they
Speaker 3: go on adventures, or maybe Sindel joins the Empire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that would make sense if you go the
Speaker 2: Captain FAsMA direction. I think they were going to do
Speaker 2: a third one of this. I've seen rumblings about that
Speaker 2: that originally there was going to be a third e
Speaker 2: Wok movie, but it never never came to fruition. So
Speaker 2: one can only wonder.
Speaker 3: And so that's the end. Yub nob yub nub.
Speaker 2: I care and just Teak stay behind.
Speaker 4: I don't remember.
Speaker 3: I should know that.
Speaker 2: I think take stays. I think Teak is a child
Speaker 2: of Indoor like the Ewoks, and should not leave.
Speaker 3: If Teaks had been made to fly they would have
Speaker 3: been born with power cells.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, what happens if Teak is on board a ship
Speaker 2: traveling at warp speed and then he runs at full
Speaker 2: speed back through the hallways.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's one of those good relativity questions. Man, I
Speaker 3: wish I'd thought of this ahead of time. We could
Speaker 3: have worked that out.
Speaker 2: That's homework, homework for your listeners who want to do
Speaker 2: some deep thinking there. So in terms of you know,
Speaker 2: deep thinking about this one again, I think my main
Speaker 2: area of contemplation is just about the role of different
Speaker 2: species at different technological levels within the galactic community of
Speaker 2: Star Wars, because just in this film, just think of
Speaker 2: all the different technological levels we encounter, Like there's there
Speaker 2: are the e Walks, which again seem to have just
Speaker 2: peak Stone age technology at their hands. We have them
Speaker 2: who again probably didn't have a tremendous technological achievement level
Speaker 2: before they were seemingly thrust into galactic affairs. So you
Speaker 2: almost kind of I almost have to pity the Marauders,
Speaker 2: you know, because did they how much, say, did they
Speaker 2: have in the current state of their species. You have
Speaker 2: the possible medieval level technology that we see in that
Speaker 2: castle of some I guess forgotten or extinct species that
Speaker 2: may have lived on Indoor at one point. You've got
Speaker 2: people like sind Sindell's family and Noah who are part
Speaker 2: of the space faring community at large, but having crash landed,
Speaker 2: having lost some of their technology, are well on their
Speaker 2: way towards just being a living at a lower level
Speaker 2: of technological achievement, you know, like Noah has become an
Speaker 2: old man in a hut cooking over fires instead of
Speaker 2: a spacefaring adventurer.
Speaker 3: Well, this makes me wonder if maybe Indoor at the
Speaker 3: time of the Star Wars movies is in a dark
Speaker 3: age kind of like after the late Bronze Age collapse,
Speaker 3: where you'd had these big empires that were developing urban
Speaker 3: centers and trade and technology, and then something happens, some
Speaker 3: kind of environmental collapse. Maybe there's a collapse of you know,
Speaker 3: just a confluence of different factors, you know, military invasions,
Speaker 3: famine and that kind of stuff that leads to civilization
Speaker 3: level collapse and then a lot of knowledge of how
Speaker 3: to do things is just lost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Marauders may have played some role in that,
Speaker 2: either as you know, as a faction or you know,
Speaker 2: mercenaries who were brought in to be a part of
Speaker 2: this this this situation, and of course eventually the Galactic
Speaker 2: Empire itself does show up, you know, they they show
Speaker 2: up in Return of the Jedi, but they have a
Speaker 2: very strategic and surgical interest in the Moon of Indoor.
Speaker 2: Like they they are seem to be only interested in
Speaker 2: establishing a shield generator base to protect the second Death Star,
Speaker 2: which is being built within that system. Otherwise, I don't
Speaker 2: think they particularly care what the Ewoks are doing. They
Speaker 2: don't care if there happen to be a band of
Speaker 2: marauders on the other side of the moon doing their thing.
Speaker 2: They don't care if there's some other random shipwrecked individuals.
Speaker 2: They have a task to take care of. So anyway,
Speaker 2: that's some just additional stuff I was thinking about, as
Speaker 2: well as just wondering how fast Teak is in relation
Speaker 2: to everything else. I will say that this, of course
Speaker 2: is a topic that gets a lot better treatment in
Speaker 2: other works, you know, I mean, it's part of the
Speaker 2: whole prime directive thing in Star Trek.
Speaker 4: I know. Ian M.
Speaker 2: Banks gets into the affair amount in his culture novels. It's,
Speaker 2: you know, once you start populating a fictional galactic community
Speaker 2: with different species at different technological levels and then interacting
Speaker 2: with each other, You're going to get a lot of
Speaker 2: these questions, you know, and a lot of it. A
Speaker 2: lot of the reason I think that we contemplate that is,
Speaker 2: of course, we see examples of similar interplays having happened
Speaker 2: on our own planet in human history. What happens when,
Speaker 2: you know, from when one more technically technologically advanced society
Speaker 2: interacts with another one, you know, typically, uh, it's it's
Speaker 2: not a good situation, especially for the lower technological level society.
Speaker 2: But you see some interesting scenarios happening, such as the
Speaker 2: cargo cult scenario that we mentioned previously on the stuff
Speaker 2: to Blow your Mind episode in our interview with Werner Herzog.
Speaker 2: You know, uh, you know, the idea of people encountering
Speaker 2: a higher technological level society, a higher technological system, and
Speaker 2: then being changed by that, but also surviving that encounter
Speaker 2: as well. So, yeah, there's a there's a lot of
Speaker 2: there's a lot of deeper thinking here to consider in
Speaker 2: terms of you know, very very technological level interaction in
Speaker 2: a galactic community.
Speaker 3: Really, don't we all just want the power? We all
Speaker 3: just want the power thing. That's the power thing. Give
Speaker 3: me the power thing.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, in terms of where to watch this film,
Speaker 2: I really wish I could tell everybody that you can
Speaker 2: just just sign up for Disney Plus and watch a
Speaker 2: you know, a nice remastered cut of the of both
Speaker 2: Ewok movies alongside all the other awesome Star Wars content there.
Speaker 2: But the thing is you can't. Yeah, you can't get
Speaker 2: it on Disney Plus. I think you can still pick
Speaker 2: these films up on DVD and a cool double pack.
Speaker 2: I was looking around, and yet you can. You can
Speaker 2: buy them, and some of the prices are not unreasonable
Speaker 2: if you if you know where to look. But I
Speaker 2: had to watch this on Russian YouTube, so that sadly
Speaker 2: might be your only option.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as long as we're admitting bootleg experiences, I watched
Speaker 3: this movie a while ago on one of those versions
Speaker 3: that tries to avoid copyright detection by like putting it
Speaker 3: in a window within a window and having like fish
Speaker 3: swimming around it all the time and weirdly zooming in
Speaker 3: and moving on stuff. So so so kudos to the
Speaker 3: people who put that amount of effort in to steal movies.
Speaker 2: But I mean, check around when you're listening to this, hopefully,
Speaker 2: But if you're listening to this, though, like months later,
Speaker 2: Disney Plus will have added these films. I hope that
Speaker 2: they do, or that some other legitimate means of watching
Speaker 2: it will be available I think at some point on
Speaker 2: Amazon Prime. Yeah, yeah, I mean I would I would
Speaker 2: have I would have bought these suckers earlier if I could.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck finding it, But people want it enough
Speaker 2: that it's going to continue to be available one way
Speaker 2: or another, hopefully legitimately available in the near future. All right, Well,
Speaker 2: on that note, we're gonna go ahead and finish up
Speaker 2: this episode of Weird House Cinema again. Weird House Cinema
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Speaker 2: the future, but especially if you have thoughts on the
Speaker 2: Ewok movies, particularly the Battle for Indoor. Did you watch
Speaker 2: it as a kid like I did? Did you have
Speaker 2: have a well worn VHS copy of it? I'd love
Speaker 2: to hear your thoughts on that, your thoughts about how
Speaker 2: it fits into the broader Star Wars universe.
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