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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. My name is Rob Lamb.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Joe McCormick. And today we're getting into that

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Speaker 3: Star Wars. That Star Wars gunk. I got a question.

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Speaker 3: We were sort of chatting about this before we hit

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Speaker 3: record today, and I feel like we've got to recreate

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Speaker 3: this moment. I was wondering, you remember when the Force

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Speaker 3: Awakens came out and there were some Star Wars fans

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Speaker 3: who were very angry about various things. One of the

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Speaker 3: things they see that some people were angry about was

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Speaker 3: that I believe the people who now owned the rights

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Speaker 3: to all the Lucas Star Wars properties had declared that

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Speaker 3: a bunch of extended universe stuff, so a lot of

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Speaker 3: the Star Wars books and all that was no longer canon.

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Speaker 3: It didn't really happen in the Star Wars universe. And

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Speaker 3: what I was, what I'm now wondering, is were they

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Speaker 3: also angry that the events of the Ewoks movies didn't happen?

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Speaker 3: Or were there people who were like just furious spamming

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Speaker 3: the internet with spoilers for the movie? Uh? Because like

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Speaker 3: Wilfred Brimley didn't really live in that hut in the woods,

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Speaker 3: and the like the the beaver teeth Ewok creature didn't

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Speaker 3: really run and fast forward and all that.

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Speaker 2: Teak you mean Teak, Joe Teak. Don't act like you

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Speaker 2: don't know Teak's name.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was confused about Teak because it sounds in

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Speaker 3: the movie like they're calling him Teak. But when I

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Speaker 3: looked him up on the internet, people were calling him

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Speaker 3: things like Tege, like his name had a J in it.

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Speaker 3: So I'm very confused now. But you're right, my ears,

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Speaker 3: my ears heard Teak.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, well, yeah, he's Teaked to me. And I

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Speaker 2: guess that comes down to my feelings about canon when

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Speaker 2: Star Wars, which I think i've I've expressed here before,

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Speaker 2: is like I'm kind of like, build your own cannon,

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Speaker 2: you know, you know, for the purposes of enjoying it all,

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Speaker 2: Like just accept what you want and and you know,

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Speaker 2: be happy about it.

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Speaker 3: But I have to have a corporation tell me what

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Speaker 3: really happened in the Star Wars universe.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know, I mean I can see where it's

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Speaker 2: valuable for storytelling purposes, and I understand why they they

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Speaker 2: system where it's like, you know, a class cannon and

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Speaker 2: be like the film we're discussing today, I think was

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Speaker 2: technically C cannon, and instead Disney came in and just said,

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Speaker 2: all right, we got cannon and we got legends, and

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Speaker 2: canon is what is, you know, the official story that

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Speaker 2: we're building new stuff off off. But of course they

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Speaker 2: often go back into legends and draw things out, pick

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Speaker 2: out characters and events and weapons and things like that,

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Speaker 2: and bring them in, bring them back into the fold.

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Speaker 2: And so I mean, you know, so I feel like

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Speaker 2: I feel like there's not too much to get upset about.

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Speaker 2: But but I'm I try to be more easy going

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Speaker 3: Well, obviously C and C canon stands for cool as hell,

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Speaker 3: because this movie is really really cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's fitting that we're recording this shortly before

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving because after we picked it, I realized, oh, this

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Speaker 2: was the thing Like this came out like on Thanksgiving

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Speaker 2: or for the Thanksgiving holiday on ABC television back in

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Speaker 2: the eighties, back in nineteen eighty five. So really we're

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Speaker 2: partaking of a holiday tradition right now.

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Speaker 3: Right, So, once again, like last week with Boggy Creek

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Speaker 3: two and the legend continues, we're covering a sequel colon

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Speaker 3: subtitle film without covering the original. So the movie we're

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Speaker 3: movie Ewoks Colon The Battle for Indoor. But that's actually

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Speaker 3: a sequel to another Ewoks movie. I don't think I've

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I can give you the very brief

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Speaker 2: rundown of the first one, Caravan of Courage, which came

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Speaker 2: out the year before eighty four on ABC Television around Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 2: and it had a pretty simple plot. Basically, it followed Sindel.

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Speaker 2: That's a little girl, the little like super blonde Shirley

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Speaker 3: Wait, sorry, so this is a moon, right, This is

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Speaker 3: not a planet. It's a moon of a planet.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah. Basically Indoor is a gas giant and this

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Speaker 2: has always been some confusion about whether these films take

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Speaker 3: So Corey, who we talked about in Boggy Creek. Wow, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So, so basically, the Ewoks and the kids have to

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Speaker 2: They pull it off, and that's the movie. It's it's

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Speaker 2: it's fun. It's a fun little film. But that is

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Speaker 3: Now, if that is, if that is the Aliens of

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Speaker 3: the Ewoks canon. Battle for Indoor is the Alien three

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Speaker 3: of the Ewoks canon because it starts off basically killing

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Speaker 2: Like Base Basically, it starts off with the family hanging

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Speaker 2: They come and they raid the village. They take Ewoks

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Speaker 2: just really a brutal start to a kid's movie.

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Speaker 3: Do you like Paul Gleeson? I hope not, because he

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Speaker 3: dies in the first few minutes.

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Speaker 2: He was in some other things too, but yeah, he's

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Speaker 3: Classic jerk authority figure of eighties movies.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but the.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these the Marauders have, I think, ultimately an interesting

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, here's the pitch. A young girl loses

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Speaker 3: In space, it is Wilfred Brimley on the dank Moon

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Speaker 4: Somewhat at the end of the Galaxy, two friends were

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Speaker 3: That's until the forces of evil threatened their lives. Don't

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Speaker 2: I like how we got some roars in there, because

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, there's some really good, big nasty creatures that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the blurgs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they're a lot of fun. Because this is

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Speaker 3: Okay, I want to know how this thing got made?

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Speaker 3: Ewok's the Battle for Indoor. We're so this came out

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Speaker 3: familiar with the Ewoks, the QDs space Bears. How do

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Speaker 3: In this by beep beep, beep, beep beep, we have

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Speaker 5: Actually knew perhaps back in the eighties pre Special Editions.

434
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Speaker 3: I don't know though, Oh thank you, Seth. Well, now

435
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 3: I consider myself just fully shamed because I'm on record

436
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 3: not Well. Then again, I don't like a lot of

437
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 3: the stuff they did in the remasters, but a lot

438
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 3: of the changes they made, for example, an Empire are good,

439
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 3: you know, like the new Wampa and all that. That's

440
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 3: good stuff. So maybe this is one of the good

441
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 3: ones too.

442
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 2: Could be well, yeah, if it's done right, you wouldn't notice, right,

443
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,439
Speaker 2: and so that this is one you don't notice, So

444
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 2: it makes sense.

445
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 3: But is Wicket in this movie still Warwick Davis?

446
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's totally Warwick Davis. Warwick Davis is is is

447
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 2: wicked and and always will be. But but it is

448
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,719
Speaker 2: interesting to watch him in this film knowing as Warwick

449
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 2: Davis because in in when he's playing Wicket, there's really

450
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: not much to the role, right, I mean, there's it's

451
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: a physical role. You know, he's doing a fair amount

452
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 2: of tumbling and whatnot. But considering Warwick Davis's place in

453
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: you know, his subsequent career, he feels kind of wasted

454
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 2: in this because of course he would go on to

455
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 2: to be you know, he would be Willow, you know,

456
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 2: the star of that Lucas fantasy film. He would be

457
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 2: the Leprechaun and the Leprechaun horror films. He was in

458
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: the Harry Potter movies playing various I think gobblin creatures.

459
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: So he has all these other roles, sometimes not even

460
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 2: playing a magical being, just playing a person.

461
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 4: You know.

462
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 2: He has proven himself to be a you know, a

463
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 2: good actor, a solid So it's it's interesting to watch

464
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 2: this and know that he's you know, there's there's this,

465
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: there's this future acting talent just sealed in this suit.

466
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 3: I mean, he does a lot more with this role

467
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 3: than you would than you would expect to be possible, because,

468
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 3: to be fair, Wicket, there's not much on the page

469
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: for Wicket in this story we were watching. Rachel commented

470
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 3: halfway through the movie, Wicket is a yes man, and

471
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 3: that is absolutely true. Wicket mostly in this film is

472
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 3: just there to be like yes, yes, yes.

473
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, this is true.

474
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 2: But he also is kind of like he has his

475
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 2: Jack Burton moment at the end because he comes through.

476
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's needed, he comes through. Oh yeah, well

477
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 2: he comes through more than once. There are a few

478
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 2: times where he proves himself, you know, the fighting powerhouse

479
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: of our adventuring party here.

480
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 3: M hm. So despite the scary glassy eyes and the

481
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 3: lack of substance for the role on the page. I

482
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 3: think Warwick Davis does a great job playing Wicked in this.

483
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 2: Now, another person of note in this film is the

484
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: witch Charyl I believe her name, is played by Sion Phillips,

485
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 2: probably the most seasoned actor in the whole production. She's

486
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 2: She's a Welsh actor, probably best known for playing Reverend

487
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: Mother guyas Helen Mullhem in David Lynch's Dune.

488
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 3: You remember her, Oh yeah, you will? You will feel Mike,

489
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 3: I'm jabbar.

490
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she's Yes, she's fabulous in Dune, a weird

491
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: movie we should probably come back to, because even even

492
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: if you strip away the dune in Dune, there's plenty

493
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 2: of just additional Lynchian weirdness in that film. But yeah,

494
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: she's great in that. She was also in Iclaudius, she

495
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: played Cassiopeia in Clash of the Titans, and she also

496
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 2: just did a ton of British TV work, seemingly, you know,

497
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: most of it historical sort of stuff.

498
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 3: So I have a question about this character. She shows up,

499
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 3: she's wearing like a metal corset, and she she looks

500
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 3: kind of like, what's that there's a character in Mortal

501
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 3: Kombat who she kind of reminds me of. I'm not

502
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 3: quite sure what she was called, but she's got like

503
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 3: long hair and she's evil.

504
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 2: Well, confusingly, the character you're thinking of in Mortal Kombat

505
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:26,959
Speaker 2: is Sindel, oh, which is also the girl. Yeah, Sindel.

506
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: Sindel is the girl. Sindell is the evil version in

507
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: Mortal Kanbat.

508
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: Okay, but yeah, so she looks kind of like that.

509
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 3: But then she's a witch like she she has sorceress powers,

510
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 3: and so that makes me wonder in the context of

511
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 3: Star Wars, does that mean she is a force user?

512
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 4: Yes?

513
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 2: So okay, yeah, So this is where it gets complex

514
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: and geeky again because within the context of this film

515
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 2: alone and It's time, she just seems to be a

516
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 2: magical witch thrown in. She's the Witch of Indoor, get it,

517
00:26:59,160 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: you know? Biblical?

518
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, exactly, So she should be calling up the

519
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: prophet Samuel to give a give an omen for the battle.

520
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 2: I guess. So, I mean it's kind of what she does.

521
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: That's kind of a role here. We can sort of

522
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: see the inspiration here, but subsequently it has been retconned,

523
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: I think to understand that she was a.

524
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 4: Rogue Night Sister.

525
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: So Night Sisters are female practitioners of the Force, female

526
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: force sensitive individuals who use the Dark Side and are

527
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 2: capable of great magic. In many cases. They're native to

528
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: the planet Dathomir, which is also the planet that Darth

529
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: Maul's species comes from, and basically in the Clone Wars

530
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 2: animated series, and I think some in Rebels I don't

531
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 2: recall exactly. Mainly in Clone Wars we see these Night

532
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 2: Sister characters showing up and playing an important role and

533
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 2: at times working with or working against the interests of

534
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: the Sith.

535
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 3: But so there, Well, she's got power is that no

536
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: other Force user ever has in Star Wars like she

537
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: can transform into animals. Anakin Skywalker couldn't do that. Even

538
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 3: I don't think Yoda could transform into an animal.

539
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 2: Now, I mean this is but it does feel in

540
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 2: keeping with Night Sister magic. Like the stuff that the

541
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 2: Night Sisters do in the Clone Wars series are more

542
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 2: or more like straight up magic, you know, like bringing

543
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: things back to life, necromantic acts, that sort of thing.

544
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 2: That being said, I do admit like in this film,

545
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 2: she feels, she feels like something other than the Force

546
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: even if she's ultimately using the Force.

547
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 3: I don't recall anybody in this film mentioning the Force.

548
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 3: You wouldn't know the Force exists, right.

549
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's she's like a straight up witch in this film.

550
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: And I say that Phillips isn't given a ton to

551
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: do with this role. But but she's good. I would

552
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: have liked to have seen more from her character, but

553
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: she still she plays a great witch. She has a

554
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: really awesome costume, and the effects are really nice when

555
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: she transforms into a because she already has like a

556
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: rave any feathery cloak and all. And she has this

557
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: magic ring that seems to contain the magic she uses,

558
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: or focuses the magic she's using, We're not sure, but

559
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: it plays an important role later on in the film.

560
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: So she's one of the main villains. But then the

561
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 3: other main villain is the leader of these marauder aliens.

562
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 3: I was when we were watching it. I kept calling

563
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 3: him thulsav Room. So he's the guy who leads the

564
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 3: bad guys who show up at the village at the

565
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: beginning and screw everything up, and he wants power and

566
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 3: he wants there's like a I don't know how to

567
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: explain the plot, but I guess we'll get into that

568
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 3: in a minute. But there's this piece of technology from

569
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 3: a spaceship that he wants because he thinks it'll give

570
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 3: him power. So he's the same species as these other marauders,

571
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: meaning he looks kind of like a reptilian insect orangutan

572
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 3: skeleton type creature, but also with certain angles his silhouette

573
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: and his face hair because he's got this cool beard.

574
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 3: He looks like James Randy looked in the eighties. Did

575
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 3: you notice this comparison picture of the amazing Randy like

576
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 3: on Johnny Carson in the seventies or eighties. It's it's

577
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 3: this guy. It's Terrek.

578
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 4: Huh.

579
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: I didn't get that as much as I got kind

580
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: of a faint like George C. Scott vibe from him.

581
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's a very different direction.

582
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, this is this is Terrek, the towering warlord

583
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: of the Marauders. I also say that, even though all

584
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: the Marauders tend to look pretty good, clearly Terrek, when

585
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 2: you're the ruler of a group of marauders, you're gonna

586
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: get more screen time. You're also going to get more

587
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: of that FX budget. So while sometimes the guys in

588
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: the background are look maybe you know, they look all right.

589
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: Terrek looks really good, like the makeup effects are really well.

590
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 4: Done on him.

591
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.

592
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: And he's played by the towering Dutch actor Carl Strucken,

593
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 2: who would who went on to play Lurch in both

594
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: nineties Adams Family movies as well as the Giant on

595
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: Twin Peaks. And he's been in a ton of stuff.

596
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 2: And I think he did the voice of Terrek as well.

597
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: I was looking at the credits to see if they

598
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: were doing that thing where they have a different voice

599
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: actor for a very physical role. But I think this

600
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: is Stroken doing the voice as well, and it's his deep,

601
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: you know, giant voice, and it's it's quite effective.

602
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 3: You know. Where he really looks great, even better than

603
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 3: in the movie is in this poster you showed me

604
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 3: for the movie that you found where it's like holding

605
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 3: a big sword. He's like this the Darth Vader in

606
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 3: the original Star Wars poster, towering over everything, looming in

607
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 3: the background. Though, I have to say also, and I

608
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 3: know you you pointed this out as well, this poster

609
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 3: is extremely misleading about what's in this movie.

610
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And apparently this was like the home video video

611
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: version of the poster too, like this, this was not

612
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 2: just pre product stuff like this. They were like, it's good,

613
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: put it on the VHS and send it out, because

614
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: it does have a whole bunch of weird things that

615
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: clearly show that it was created prior to the completion

616
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: of the movie. Like, I don't know where to begin here.

617
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: For instance, it has a giant teek. It's got multiple

618
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: space ships in the background, even though there's only ever

619
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: one it has.

620
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 3: There are space battles in this movie, but yeah, it

621
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 3: makes it look like there's going to be.

622
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

623
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 2: It also shows a han solo looking character with a

624
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: blaster on the front that I think is supposed to

625
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: be the dad from the first movie. But yeah, it

626
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: makes no sense here because he played even the dad

627
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: in this movie plays no real role.

628
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, whoever this is, this is not somebody in the movie. Yeah.

629
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: And then you have you have Wicket Antique there standing

630
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 2: battle ready. But then you have a Sindal there holding

631
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: a big old knife, like a big dagger, like she's

632
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: ready to jump into combat and start stabbing a maroder

633
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 2: in the neck.

634
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 3: That is not indicative of what happens in the movie

635
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: and she it looks like I don't know. I wondered

636
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,719
Speaker 3: if also in this depiction they're trying to make it

637
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: more ambiguous that she might be a boy.

638
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I can see that too, like if.

639
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 3: They were like, oh, we need to make sure that

640
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: boys want to watch this, so don't want to give

641
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: them the impression that the main character is a girl.

642
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: I'm glad the Blurg made the cover too, though the

643
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: Blurd's in the background totally.

644
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: And there are these mountains that I don't recall being

645
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 3: in the movie, these like snow capped peaks. Is that

646
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: in the film?

647
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 4: I don't think so, I don't remember any mountains. Now

648
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 4: there's like.

649
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 3: A cliff at one part, but I don't know we

650
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 3: can get into that. Okay, well, maybe we should just

651
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 3: give a brief outline of the whole plot, so you

652
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 3: know the shape of the thing. So we've talked about

653
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 3: how it starts at you know, this Conan, the Barbarian

654
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 3: beginning the villages rated the humans Sindel the little girl.

655
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: By the way, I don't know if I mentioned this already,

656
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: but I had to look it up because they've got

657
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: this actress name to Aubrey Miller playing Sindel, the main character,

658
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 3: the girl, the blonde girl, and clearly they wanted Drew

659
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 3: barrymore right. This came out two or three years after ET,

660
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 3: and they were like, let's get Drew Berry Moore. But

661
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: maybe they couldn't afford her or something, so they were like, well,

662
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 3: get us the Barry Morris kid you can find, And

663
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 3: I think that's how we ended up with this main

664
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 3: character here.

665
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: You know, there's apparently a fan theory that Sindel grows

666
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: up to be Captain FAsMA from the sequel trilogy. What. Yeah,

667
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: I mean, there's nothing canon or anything here, but some

668
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: fans put that together and I think they what's your name,

669
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: Gwendolyn Christie, She's also yeah. They was like, yeah, they're

670
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: both blonde. Maybe the math works, I don't know. And

671
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: also this does seem like the kind of experience that

672
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 2: might harden you towards a life serving the first Order,

673
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: so it kind of makes sense.

674
00:34:58,760 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 4: I don't know.

675
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 3: Oh right, So the idea is she's exposed to these

676
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 3: roving bands of marauders. She's like, it's just chaos out here.

677
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 3: We need order, we need orders, So she's sign up

678
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 3: with the Empire, try to bring law.

679
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: Order to do this traumatic experience. Yeah, and what direction

680
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: do you go in? She ends up going going that direction.

681
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I don't think it's I don't

682
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: think anybody's gone so far as to do a treatment

683
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: of that, uh in a you know, in novel form

684
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: or anything, or short story form, but that would it

685
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 2: would be interesting to see how that might be stitched together.

686
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's very interesting, though my mind is set

687
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 3: on it. So, Sindel her human family, they're living with

688
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 3: the e walks there, Paul Gleeson, her dad, is working

689
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: on this spaceship, trying to repair it or something, and

690
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 3: then they get attacked by the marauders and then just

691
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 3: all the humans except Sindel are killed and uh and

692
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 3: and so the leader of the bad guys, thulsav Room,

693
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 3: he obviously wants some kind of canister from out of

694
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 3: Paul Gleeson's spaceship and when he you know, he he

695
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 3: tries to get it and he's like, the power, I

696
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 3: have the power. And then this is also where we

697
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 3: meet the sorceress. And then Sindel and her Ewok buddies

698
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 3: are captured by the marauding creatures and Wicket promises to

699
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 3: take care of her. He says, Wicket, take care of Sindel.

700
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 3: So he speaks in the third person and invokes his

701
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 3: own name. He's like a very cute teddy bear, Bob Dole.

702
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: And then the Ewoks escape the marauders who have captured them.

703
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 3: Wicket and Sindel get away, And this movie very much

704
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: continues on the theme that's established in the Return of

705
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 3: the Jedi that while the Ewoks may look extremely cute

706
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 3: and like living teddy bears, they are also highly resourceful

707
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 3: jungle gorilla warriors. They're like the Vietcong of Indoor. They

708
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 3: know how to use the environment. They set traps, you know,

709
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 3: they've got very clever tactics for the landscape.

710
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, when they are fighting on their own terms, on

711
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: their home turf, they just can't be beat. They can

712
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 2: take out the Galactic Empire as long as they're fighting

713
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: within the forest of Indoor and using guerrilla tactics.

714
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: Yes, so Wicked and Sendel escape. And this escape sequence

715
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 3: involves what appears to be teleportation. Do you remember the

716
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: spart where they're just running through the woods and then

717
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: it just cuts to them most of the way up

718
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 3: a cliff.

719
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 4: Face.

720
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: I don't know if something was edited out there or

721
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: if they're like, ah, people get the point.

722
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: It feels like that was this cut for time a

723
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: little bit there. Yeah, but it's otherwise a great escape

724
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: sequence because there's like this, you know, they cut a

725
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 2: hole through the bottom of this cart. They have this

726
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: cart that is being pulled by a blurg and the

727
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: cart seems to be made out of blurg bones and hide.

728
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 2: So I was like that, and yeah, then they're on

729
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 2: the run and two marauders are after them, and they

730
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 2: managed to like duck into a cave and like Wicket

731
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: basically like straight up like murders, the two marauders that

732
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 2: are after them like the well, now I guess he does.

733
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: And I think the marauders, through their own reckless islands,

734
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: managed to dislodge some boulders that then fall on them

735
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 2: and you know, make them fall to their deaths.

736
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. They get knocked off of the pass

737
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 3: of Carodras.

738
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

739
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 2: Then they encounter a dragon condor and they have to

740
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: battle that and she gets snatched away by it. Yeah.

741
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 3: They go into a cave and is Wicket trying to

742
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 3: build a hang glider. I think he's just building one

743
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 3: out of bones and hides and stuff. Very cool.

744
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's the other thing to can mind

745
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 2: about the Ewoks, Like, yes, they're using like stone age technology,

746
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 2: but they have mastered non powered flight, Like they can

747
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 2: build a functional glider and just go for it.

748
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. So he builds that, and then they accidentally disturb

749
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: a dragon. And then what is the deal with this

750
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 3: dragon's chest? It looks like it's wearing a vest of

751
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 3: some kind. Do you remember this?

752
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 2: I don't remember the chest to the drag. I mainly

753
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: just remember it's you know, he has kind of like

754
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: a snaky condory head.

755
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 3: Uh huh. Well, okay, So the dragon grabs Sindel and

756
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 3: flies off with her, and then Wickett has to rescue her,

757
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 3: which he does by like making the dragon drop her

758
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: and then flying down and catching her after she's been

759
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 3: dropped in a physically implausible scene. But it works. You know,

760
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 3: it's fun.

761
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

762
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 3: But one of the things that I noted this maybe

763
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 3: extremely brief monster science note. When they watch the dragon

764
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 3: flying away, there's this part where they show a planet

765
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 3: looming over the horizon and it takes up literally half

766
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 3: the sky. I guess that's supposed to be the gas

767
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 3: giant that this moon is a moon of Yeah, but

768
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 3: I was like, that just looks too big. That is

769
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 3: implausibly big. Though it did make me look up. And

770
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: I think we've sort of talked about this on the

771
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 3: show before when we were talking about the moons of Jupiter.

772
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: But there are moons you could stand on in our

773
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 3: Solar system where if you look at the planet that

774
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 3: this is a moon of the planet, would look much

775
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 3: bigger than things we're used to seeing in the sky.

776
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: For example, if you stand on the surface of the

777
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 3: innermost major moon of Jupiter, the Galilean moon Ioh, which

778
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 3: is very yellow, sulfurous hell, lots of volcanoes erupting all

779
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 3: the time, you stand on the surface of Io and

780
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: you look at Jupiter, Jupiter would not take up half

781
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 3: the sky, but it would be very big compared to

782
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 3: like stuff we're used to seeing, like the Sun or

783
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: the Moon. You can usually, I think cover up the

784
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: Moon if you extend your armfully and you can like

785
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 3: cover it up with one finger. To cover up Jupiter

786
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 3: from the surface of Io, you'd probably have to use

787
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 3: your whole hand. So it's bigger, but it's still not

788
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 3: the whole sky.

789
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 2: Right, I guess I didn't notice as much. Maybe, I

790
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: mean I didn't think about it. But I've been playing

791
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 2: this game No Man's Sky a little bit.

792
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's funny.

793
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, fun beautiful game. You're exploring planets landing on it.

794
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of that in this game, yes,

795
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: where you land on some strange, beautiful world and the

796
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 2: horizon is just ridunculous. Yeah, like gorgeous. But yeah, if

797
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 2: you start thinking about the relative size and distances involved,

798
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: it's a bit much at times.

799
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 3: But so in Sindel, they're out in the woods here

800
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: after they've escaped, and then then they meet the real

801
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 3: star of the film, which is a tricksy beast with

802
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 3: scruffy fur and beaver teeth that runs on fast forward.

803
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 3: And this is Teak, who we've already alluded to. Teak

804
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: is just the best Teak is.

805
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's awesome. My wife thinks he has frightening teeth.

806
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 2: I don't think he is fright He has very He's

807
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: very rabbit like, both in his dental mechanics but also

808
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: in just his overall form. He's this kind of like

809
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 2: little rabbity fella that runs around at speeds that must

810
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: make him the fastest creature in the Star Wars universe.

811
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 3: Here's the real question. Is Teak an ewok?

812
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 4: I don't think so.

813
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: No.

814
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: I look, according to Wookipedia, his species is Teak.

815
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 3: So maybe the new season of The Mandalorian, we'll have

816
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 3: a baby Teak.

817
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 4: Oh Man.

818
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: I would love for Teak to show up again in

819
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: some form or another. I feel like he was an

820
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 2: absolute joy. It's, you know, very much a It's an

821
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 2: interesting story with Teak because it's very much a little

822
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: person in a suit, very well done, very well acted.

823
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: The suit is in the like the puppetry that that moves,

824
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: the facial features is is just very well done. I

825
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: totally bought Teak as an actual creature in this. But

826
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: the some of the lore apparently is that Wilfrid Brimley

827
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: apparently can be difficult to get along with and for starters.

828
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: I don't think he liked the directors on this, and

829
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: so if somebody else had to direct him in all

830
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 2: of his scenes. But on top of this, Peak was

831
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: going to originally be either exclusively a puppet or it

832
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 2: was going to be a puppet more of the time,

833
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 2: and Wilfrid was just having none of this. He's like,

834
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: I am not acting the opposite a puppet. You get

835
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: a person in here in a suit, I'll act against

836
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: a person, but get that puppet out of here.

837
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 3: That's just perfect. Well he's like a puppet. That's witchcraft.

838
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 3: You know. He doesn't like it at all. But anyway,

839
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 3: this alludes to the fact that the Teak and Wilfred

840
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 3: Brimley are a duo. In this movie. Teak leads Sindell

841
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 3: and Wicket the e walk to the home of Wilfrid Brimley. Again.

842
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 3: The character's name is Noah, and we meet Wilfred Brimley

843
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 3: and he's very ornery and he tries to send them away.

844
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 3: He's like, you can't stay here, get out of my house,

845
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 3: and the little girl's just like, well, he's just a

846
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 3: mean old man anyway. But he makes them depart the

847
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 3: Kingdom of Brimley. So they sit outside being sad and pathetic.

848
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 3: They're like, we're cold, we're hungry, and he's like, well,

849
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 3: I'm a mean old man and I don't care. But

850
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 3: then his heart, with some urging from Teak, his heart

851
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 3: eventually melts and he lets them into the house and

852
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 3: they share a fire and then he becomes he becomes

853
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 3: nice grandpa instead of mean grandpa. Yeah.

854
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: I was watching this movie with my son and he

855
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: was initially not having any of this. The this Noah

856
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 2: character is like, Yeah, this guy's awful.

857
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 4: He is mean. I don't like him.

858
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: But then yeah, he has a rapid change of heart,

859
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: and then he's all in for the rest of the movie.

860
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 3: Speaking of the resourcefulness of the Ewoks, one of the

861
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 3: things that I really enjoyed was there's a scene where

862
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 3: Wicket makes a fire with a bow drill.

863
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird. The domestic scenes in this film are

864
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: some of my favorites. Like they just warm my heart

865
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: in a way that I can't fully explain. But just

866
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 2: the scenes where they're just setting around eating or cooking

867
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: or playing music together, like these are just, I don't know,

868
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: they're just they're just totally warm experiences. Yeah, I think

869
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 2: I like those more than anything else.

870
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 3: There's a lot of puppets eating food or I don't

871
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 3: know if they I guess the facial puppetry of of

872
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 3: Teak and stuff that I guess that would still be

873
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: puppetry even though there's an actor playing Teak. But like

874
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 3: the uh, there's the scene where they're eating a pie

875
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 3: made out of flowers. I didn't fully understand that, like

876
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 3: they gathered flowers. They're like, we're making pie, and okay.

877
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 3: But then so after all this, you get these nice

878
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: domestic scenes. They share a fire, they eat flower pie,

879
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: and then we finally cut to the Castle of Pain.

880
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 3: It shows these these stone towers. I don't know what

881
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 3: castle they used to film this at, but it's this

882
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: nasty castle where the skeleton orangutan insect creatures live and

883
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 3: the raven sorceresses there, and they're all hanging out trying

884
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 3: to do some kind of magic spell on the canister

885
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 3: from Paul Gleeson's spaceship. But I didn't really understand this either,

886
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 3: But maybe it wasn't supposed to make sense.

887
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 4: I don't know.

888
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: I probably thought about it way too much because I

889
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 2: think what we have here is that the Marauders at

890
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: some time in the past themselves crash landed on Indoor,

891
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: and at this point they no longer I suspect that

892
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 2: the Marauders were more of a primitive society on their

893
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 2: home world, like maybe they had achieved you know, like

894
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: iron age or or maybe Bronze age technology before they

895
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: got sucked up into galactic affairs, you know, forced to

896
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: be a warrior, cast by some group or another, and

897
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 2: just thrown in over their head given technology that they

898
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: don't really understand but figure out how to use effectively,

899
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: like the blasters that they have, you know, that are

900
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: all just again held together with dirty gauze. There are

901
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: a couple of scenes of one of them setting around

902
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 2: drunkenly tinkering with some sort of electrical contraption and electric

903
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: uting itself in the process. So yeah, you get that

904
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: sense that they sort of know how the technology works,

905
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: they know it well enough to use it, but they

906
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: don't understand other concepts. So at some point in their

907
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 2: past they might have understood that they need a power

908
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 2: sell to give them the power to return to orbit

909
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: and return to galactic affairs. But at this point, you know,

910
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 2: maybe it's generations afterwards. All that has survived is this

911
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 2: idea that if they get a hold of a power cell,

912
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: that is the power. And so Terrek believes that he

913
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: no longer understands it in in terms of technological power,

914
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,720
Speaker 2: but in terms of like personal cosmic power, personal magical power.

915
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 3: Through the decay of the lore over the years, what

916
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: was initially a technological utilitarian need has become a religion.

917
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 3: We need this object of power in order to give

918
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 3: us basically the magic to do what we want.

919
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 2: Right, And as far as the castle goes, I interpreted

920
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: that as being like ruins that they found, like those

921
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 2: are the ruins of some even you know, some previous

922
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 2: Indrian civilization that was snuffed out or expired.

923
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I guess that would make sense. So they're

924
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,959
Speaker 3: trying to work their magic and it's not going well.

925
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 3: And then as we come back to Wilfred Brimley, Sindel

926
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 3: and Wicked and Teak and they're in the problem. Well, actually,

927
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 3: they find out that Wilfrid Brimley himself has a crash spaceship.

928
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 3: Seems that there are a lot of crash spaceships around here,

929
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 3: and he's been trying to repair it. Right, is he's

930
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 3: been working on it for all these years?

931
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 2: Yeah?

932
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

933
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: Basically, Again, the comparisons between this movie and No Man

934
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 2: Sky are tremendous because you land on a planet No

935
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 2: Man Sky and they're just crash spaceships everywhere, and that's

936
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 2: kind of how it is here. Yeah, So he has

937
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 2: a crash spaceship, but he has he's been working to

938
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 2: repair it, but he does not have a power cell.

939
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 3: So and then in the process of discovering this, the

940
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 3: characters just get more and more sappy toward each other.

941
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 3: Wilfrid Brimley gets all sweet and he opens up to

942
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 3: the child and the e walk. He gets Sindel to

943
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 3: sing a song at one point, and I don't mean

944
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 3: to be mean to this child actor, but it is

945
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 3: so bad, like Wickett can barely pretend to clap at

946
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 3: the end of the song. Another thing I noticed that.

947
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 3: So you mentioned that the cart made by the Marauder

948
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 3: creatures looks like it's made out of bones, and you're

949
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 3: right about that. Maybe it's made out of the Blurg bones.

950
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 3: Sometimes Wilfrid Brimley's hut in the woods also looks like

951
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 3: it's made out of bones like that, Like that's stone

952
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 3: age mammoth bone hut we talked about in an episode

953
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 3: not too long ago.

954
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it seems like there are various megafauna

955
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: on the planet that can be butchered and made into houses.

956
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 3: But it's the forest moon of Indoor though, like they're

957
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 3: not hurting for lumber.

958
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 2: Yeah that's true. Yeah, why there's wood everywhere. Why build

959
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 2: anything out of a bone?

960
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting, I wonder. But anyway, so one morning you

961
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: get the third act kicks into gear because one morning

962
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 3: Sindell is lured out of the house by something that

963
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 3: she thinks is the sound of her mother's singing, and

964
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 3: then Wicked and Wilfrid Brimley go after her, and Sindell

965
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 3: comes across this weird fairy type lady in a flowing

966
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 3: white dress who's out in the forest with a white horse.

967
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 3: But of course it's a trap. This is the Sorceress,

968
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 3: the witch from the beginning. She snatches Sindel and rides

969
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: off on a horse to the Castle of Pain.

970
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah the horse turns black and then process oh.

971
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah uh. And then thulsav Rooum wants Sindel to

972
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 3: use her magic to make the stolen canister work, and

973
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 3: she of course doesn't know how to do this, and

974
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 3: then he has a meltdown and throws her in a

975
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 3: prison cell. But there's a there's a rescue scene that

976
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: kicks off. So Wilford, Brimley, Wicket and Teak they they

977
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 3: sort of gear up and they go to the castle

978
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 3: on a mission of rescue. There's a grappling hook infiltration.

979
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 3: This whole infiltration scene with with Teak, I think is

980
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 3: really fun.

981
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 2: It is, it's it's it's a lot of fun because

982
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 2: you got you got the grappling hook going in. It's

983
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 2: you know, Teak is your stealth specialist flying ahead. There's

984
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 2: a oh, there's a there's a wonderful scene where where

985
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: once they are inside and just getting in is pretty exciting.

986
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 2: But then they they all three stack up on top

987
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: of each other and put a cloak over themselves to

988
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 2: pretend to be one marauder to in order to pass

989
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 2: unnoticed through their drunken meat hall.

990
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, the bad guys are doing this thing where

991
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 3: I guess this sometimes happens, especially in kids movies, where

992
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 3: the bad guys are all hanging out and they're having

993
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 3: a big old feast and they're eating and drinking and

994
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 3: they're just constantly emitting non stop, growling, maniacal laughter, and

995
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 3: it makes you wonder, what are they talking about? What's

996
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 3: so funny? It's just non.

997
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 2: Stop Yeah, yeah, I don't know what they're talking about.

998
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: I mean, clearly they're talking about. I mean, there's that

999
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 2: one guy who's working with electrical equipment, so maybe there's

1000
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 2: a lot of like insider techie humor on his end,

1001
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 2: but everybody else is just drinking and laughing.

1002
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 3: Yeah. But then Wilfrid Brimley, Wicket Antique free the Ewoks

1003
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 3: and Sindell from the Castle prison. The escape sequence reveals

1004
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 3: that Ewoks once again, they're pretty handy with blasters in

1005
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 3: a pinch, and everybody escapes via a zip line, and

1006
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 3: then they do the thing they do, the thing that

1007
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: Kevin McAllister does in Home Alone, where the bad guys

1008
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 3: try to come on the zip line after them and

1009
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 3: they cut it so they fall into the moat.

1010
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, the acid moat?

1011
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 3: Oh is it? Is it acid or does it have

1012
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 3: some kind of creature in it? I couldn't tell if

1013
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 3: it was supposed to be piranhas or if the liquid

1014
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 3: itself was harmful.

1015
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're a little they're a little vague on

1016
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 2: that point.

1017
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 3: There's something in there that bubbles and messes you up. Oh,

1018
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 3: and there's a great line I love when they're reunited.

1019
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 3: So we find out that Wilford Brimley had a friend

1020
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 3: that he crash landed on this planet with and and

1021
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 3: his bones are there in the Castle of Pain. And

1022
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 3: when they when Sindel and Wilford Brimley meet back up,

1023
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 3: Sindel says to him, I'm sorry about your friend. They

1024
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 3: killed him for the power thing.

1025
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 2: And there there is Serah's bones, like just bones just

1026
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 2: basically it's been a high school science display.

1027
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, like really dry bones, like they look fossilized. So

1028
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 3: I don't know along Wilfred Brimley supposed to have been there,

1029
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 3: but yeah.

1030
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 2: Now and when they're when they're freeing the ewoks, an

1031
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: important thing is that there's a second there where the witch.

1032
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 2: The Witch is locked up too, we've learned, and all

1033
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 2: this of the Witch is is is as much a

1034
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 2: prisoner as they are in many ways, like Carrot keeps

1035
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 2: asking her to release the magic and she can't do it.

1036
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 2: And there's this confusing scene when they're still locked up

1037
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: where the Witch is like like talking to a Sindel

1038
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 2: and says, well, why didn't you release the magic when

1039
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 2: you asks you release the magic? Did you try waving

1040
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 2: your hand over it or something? And it seems it's

1041
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 2: a confusing sequence that, more than anything in this film,

1042
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 2: forces me to do a lot of mental gymnastics to

1043
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 2: make work, because if she she's like this magical being,

1044
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 2: like where does she come from? Like the night Sister

1045
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: excuse like that seems to work for a lot of this.

1046
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 2: You can say, well, she's a you know, a forced

1047
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: sensitive individual from another planet like everybody else in this scenario.

1048
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: She got stuck on this planet or got stuck with

1049
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 2: the Marauders at some point or another. But she clearly

1050
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 2: knows about spaceships. She that's revealed later. She you know,

1051
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 2: she's she, I guess, knows about a wider universe. So

1052
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: doesn't she realize this is a power cell? The best

1053
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 2: I can do to understand this is maybe she's just

1054
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 2: been in with the Marauders so long. She's like she's

1055
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 2: gone mad. She's like bought into Trek's madness, into thinking

1056
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 2: that the power cell has magical properties.

1057
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1058
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 3: That is an admirable retcon rob you. You've come as

1059
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 3: close as a person could.

1060
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 2: Come, because otherwise it's a real I say, it's a

1061
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: real weak point in this particular script. But at any rate,

1062
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: they Seendel refuses to let Wicket free. Her says no,

1063
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: she's evil, and swats the keys out of his hands,

1064
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 2: and then go down to the sewer, and then and

1065
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 2: then Once the good guys have escaped, the Marauders come back.

1066
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: They act for a second like they're just gonna gun

1067
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 2: down the witch in the cage, but instead they free

1068
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: her and they're like, yeah, come with thus, and you're

1069
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna get this thing back. She transforms into

1070
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: her raven form, but after she does so, Terrek takes

1071
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 2: the magic ring off of the ravens claw there and

1072
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 2: puts it on a necklace around his own neck. Presumably

1073
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: this means she cannot change back into her human form

1074
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 2: until she gets that ring back from Terrek. Oh.

1075
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't understand that at the time. Now I do.

1076
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 3: That makes sense. But Terrek also seems to maybe is

1077
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 3: he getting power from the ring or something? I don't know.

1078
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 3: Is it like is it like the one Ring?

1079
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 2: I don't think he gets anything out of it. No,

1080
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: until in the very final scene with him, he gets

1081
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 2: it in all the wrong ways, which, well, right, we'll

1082
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: touch on.

1083
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 3: So the Marauders then chase our heroes. They chase Wilfrid Brimley, Sindell,

1084
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 3: and the e walks an Teak, and the heroes are

1085
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 3: going to remember Wilford Brimley has a spaceship that's up

1086
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 3: on cinder blocks in his yard. They're going to that

1087
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 3: and Wilfrid Brimley is going to do something with the

1088
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 3: power cell. I think he's going to repair his ship,

1089
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 3: and I don't know they'll escape or something. But there's

1090
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 3: of course there of course has to be an Ewok battle,

1091
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 3: just like in Return of the Jedi, and there is one.

1092
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 3: So the Ewoks battle the marauders in the woods and

1093
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 3: they use traps and they use the environment and it's

1094
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 3: much like the Return of the Jedi scene.

1095
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's marauders versus e Woks, and it's pretty good.

1096
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 2: Lots of traps going off, and then eventually Noah gets

1097
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: the ship's defenses running, so he starts busting out. First

1098
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 2: of all, there's like this enormous blaster cannon on the

1099
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 2: side of the ship that folds out and starts taking

1100
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 2: down enemies. And then there are also these two what

1101
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 2: seemed to be open air gunnery positions, Like they're not

1102
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 2: completely enclosed, so either that's a flawed in the whole

1103
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 2: design or they're only intended for use steering, like while

1104
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 2: the ship is in an atmosphere or something. But at

1105
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 2: any rate, they've got like three gunnery positions now, I think,

1106
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 2: adding to the use of traps. And they have a catapult,

1107
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 2: which of course ends up firing an Ewok at a

1108
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 2: Marauder at one point, right, he gets in on the action.

1109
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 2: There's a wonderful scene where he starts a little fire

1110
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 2: underneath one of the Blurg's feet. He starts a Blurg stampede.

1111
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 3: I mean, since he is essentially the flash, he would

1112
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 3: think he would be pretty useful in a fight. He

1113
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 3: can like fast forward run to any position.

1114
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he wraps he fast forward vine wraps the

1115
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 2: Marauder to a tree at one point.

1116
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 3: Yes, there are lots of vines that That also makes

1117
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 3: me think about how the spaceship is not only so,

1118
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 3: the spaceship that's up on cinder blocks is covered in

1119
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 3: vines that look very flammable. When they start shooting the lasers,

1120
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 3: it looks like, I don't know, it looks like a

1121
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 3: fire hazard. But of course, the as you might expect,

1122
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 3: it's a yubnub. The humans and the Ewoks win the

1123
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 3: battle against the Marauders. And yeah, but then the bad

1124
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 3: guy Trek He even after the battle is over, he

1125
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 3: captures Sindel and he tries to bargain with Wilfrid Brimley.

1126
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 3: He's like, give me the power, defy me, and she

1127
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 3: is doomed. And then Wilfrid Brimley and Tulsa Thulsa room duel,

1128
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 3: so it's Soared versus Walking Stick, and for a second

1129
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 3: it looks like Terrek is gonna win, but then Wickett

1130
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 3: uses his sling and hits I guess the jewel on

1131
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 3: the ring on Terrek's necklace that he got from the witch,

1132
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 3: and for some reason, hitting that with the sling or

1133
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 3: the stone from the sling makes Terrek get just crispified.

1134
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 3: He just sort of like burns up and turns into

1135
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 3: an ash husk.

1136
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great petrification scene because it's like it

1137
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 2: hits the ring. And then Arrek has this moment. You know,

1138
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 2: he's wanted power this whole time, he wants magical power,

1139
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 2: and now he's gotten it, and you know, not from

1140
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 2: the source he was after, but here's the power, and

1141
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: it just just fries him like a charp oil, like

1142
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 2: just chah charborl like it, like you just put him

1143
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 2: in the microwave too long, just turns him to this

1144
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: smoking ash and stone and it's it's a pretty great sequence.

1145
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: And then afterwards, like the wickets trying to get too

1146
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 2: close to it, and Noah's like, don't, don't, don't, don't

1147
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 2: even look at it, don't get close to it. It's

1148
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 2: just like just an unwholesome affair.

1149
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 3: It doesn't taste as good as he smells. But then

1150
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 3: of course they fly away, Wilford, Brimley and Sindel evacuate

1151
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 3: the planet. The Sindel is now a child of space,

1152
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 3: and I don't know what happens after that. Maybe they

1153
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 3: go on adventures, or maybe Sindel joins the Empire.

1154
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that would make sense if you go the

1155
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 2: Captain FAsMA direction. I think they were going to do

1156
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 2: a third one of this. I've seen rumblings about that

1157
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 2: that originally there was going to be a third e

1158
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 2: Wok movie, but it never never came to fruition. So

1159
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 2: one can only wonder.

1160
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 3: And so that's the end. Yub nob yub nub.

1161
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 2: I care and just Teak stay behind.

1162
00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 4: I don't remember.

1163
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 3: I should know that.

1164
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 2: I think take stays. I think Teak is a child

1165
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,439
Speaker 2: of Indoor like the Ewoks, and should not leave.

1166
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 3: If Teaks had been made to fly they would have

1167
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 3: been born with power cells.

1168
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1169
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 2: Also, what happens if Teak is on board a ship

1170
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 2: traveling at warp speed and then he runs at full

1171
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 2: speed back through the hallways.

1172
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 3: Oh, that's one of those good relativity questions. Man, I

1173
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 3: wish I'd thought of this ahead of time. We could

1174
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 3: have worked that out.

1175
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 2: That's homework, homework for your listeners who want to do

1176
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 2: some deep thinking there. So in terms of you know,

1177
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 2: deep thinking about this one again, I think my main

1178
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 2: area of contemplation is just about the role of different

1179
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 2: species at different technological levels within the galactic community of

1180
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 2: Star Wars, because just in this film, just think of

1181
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 2: all the different technological levels we encounter, Like there's there

1182
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 2: are the e Walks, which again seem to have just

1183
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 2: peak Stone age technology at their hands. We have them

1184
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 2: who again probably didn't have a tremendous technological achievement level

1185
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 2: before they were seemingly thrust into galactic affairs. So you

1186
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 2: almost kind of I almost have to pity the Marauders,

1187
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 2: you know, because did they how much, say, did they

1188
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 2: have in the current state of their species. You have

1189
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 2: the possible medieval level technology that we see in that

1190
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 2: castle of some I guess forgotten or extinct species that

1191
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 2: may have lived on Indoor at one point. You've got

1192
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 2: people like sind Sindell's family and Noah who are part

1193
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 2: of the space faring community at large, but having crash landed,

1194
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 2: having lost some of their technology, are well on their

1195
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 2: way towards just being a living at a lower level

1196
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 2: of technological achievement, you know, like Noah has become an

1197
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 2: old man in a hut cooking over fires instead of

1198
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 2: a spacefaring adventurer.

1199
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 3: Well, this makes me wonder if maybe Indoor at the

1200
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 3: time of the Star Wars movies is in a dark

1201
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 3: age kind of like after the late Bronze Age collapse,

1202
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 3: where you'd had these big empires that were developing urban

1203
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 3: centers and trade and technology, and then something happens, some

1204
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 3: kind of environmental collapse. Maybe there's a collapse of you know,

1205
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 3: just a confluence of different factors, you know, military invasions,

1206
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 3: famine and that kind of stuff that leads to civilization

1207
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 3: level collapse and then a lot of knowledge of how

1208
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 3: to do things is just lost.

1209
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Marauders may have played some role in that,

1210
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 2: either as you know, as a faction or you know,

1211
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 2: mercenaries who were brought in to be a part of

1212
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 2: this this this situation, and of course eventually the Galactic

1213
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 2: Empire itself does show up, you know, they they show

1214
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 2: up in Return of the Jedi, but they have a

1215
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 2: very strategic and surgical interest in the Moon of Indoor.

1216
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 2: Like they they are seem to be only interested in

1217
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 2: establishing a shield generator base to protect the second Death Star,

1218
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 2: which is being built within that system. Otherwise, I don't

1219
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 2: think they particularly care what the Ewoks are doing. They

1220
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 2: don't care if there happen to be a band of

1221
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 2: marauders on the other side of the moon doing their thing.

1222
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 2: They don't care if there's some other random shipwrecked individuals.

1223
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 2: They have a task to take care of. So anyway,

1224
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 2: that's some just additional stuff I was thinking about, as

1225
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 2: well as just wondering how fast Teak is in relation

1226
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 2: to everything else. I will say that this, of course

1227
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 2: is a topic that gets a lot better treatment in

1228
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 2: other works, you know, I mean, it's part of the

1229
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 2: whole prime directive thing in Star Trek.

1230
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 4: I know. Ian M.

1231
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 2: Banks gets into the affair amount in his culture novels. It's,

1232
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 2: you know, once you start populating a fictional galactic community

1233
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 2: with different species at different technological levels and then interacting

1234
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 2: with each other, You're going to get a lot of

1235
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 2: these questions, you know, and a lot of it. A

1236
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 2: lot of the reason I think that we contemplate that is,

1237
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 2: of course, we see examples of similar interplays having happened

1238
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 2: on our own planet in human history. What happens when,

1239
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 2: you know, from when one more technically technologically advanced society

1240
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 2: interacts with another one, you know, typically, uh, it's it's

1241
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 2: not a good situation, especially for the lower technological level society.

1242
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 2: But you see some interesting scenarios happening, such as the

1243
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 2: cargo cult scenario that we mentioned previously on the stuff

1244
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 2: to Blow your Mind episode in our interview with Werner Herzog.

1245
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 2: You know, uh, you know, the idea of people encountering

1246
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 2: a higher technological level society, a higher technological system, and

1247
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 2: then being changed by that, but also surviving that encounter

1248
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 2: as well. So, yeah, there's a there's a lot of

1249
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: there's a lot of deeper thinking here to consider in

1250
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 2: terms of you know, very very technological level interaction in

1251
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 2: a galactic community.

1252
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 3: Really, don't we all just want the power? We all

1253
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 3: just want the power thing. That's the power thing. Give

1254
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 3: me the power thing.

1255
01:04:58,360 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 4: All right.

1256
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 2: Well, you know, in terms of where to watch this film,

1257
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 2: I really wish I could tell everybody that you can

1258
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 2: just just sign up for Disney Plus and watch a

1259
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,919
Speaker 2: you know, a nice remastered cut of the of both

1260
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 2: Ewok movies alongside all the other awesome Star Wars content there.

1261
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 2: But the thing is you can't. Yeah, you can't get

1262
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,439
Speaker 2: it on Disney Plus. I think you can still pick

1263
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 2: these films up on DVD and a cool double pack.

1264
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 2: I was looking around, and yet you can. You can

1265
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 2: buy them, and some of the prices are not unreasonable

1266
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 2: if you if you know where to look. But I

1267
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 2: had to watch this on Russian YouTube, so that sadly

1268
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 2: might be your only option.

1269
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, as long as we're admitting bootleg experiences, I watched

1270
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 3: this movie a while ago on one of those versions

1271
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 3: that tries to avoid copyright detection by like putting it

1272
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 3: in a window within a window and having like fish

1273
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 3: swimming around it all the time and weirdly zooming in

1274
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 3: and moving on stuff. So so so kudos to the

1275
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 3: people who put that amount of effort in to steal movies.

1276
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 2: But I mean, check around when you're listening to this, hopefully,

1277
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,479
Speaker 2: But if you're listening to this, though, like months later,

1278
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 2: Disney Plus will have added these films. I hope that

1279
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 2: they do, or that some other legitimate means of watching

1280
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 2: it will be available I think at some point on

1281
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 2: Amazon Prime. Yeah, yeah, I mean I would I would

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Speaker 2: have I would have bought these suckers earlier if I could.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck finding it, But people want it enough

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Speaker 2: that it's going to continue to be available one way

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Speaker 2: or another, hopefully legitimately available in the near future. All right, Well,

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Speaker 2: on that note, we're gonna go ahead and finish up

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Speaker 2: this episode of Weird House Cinema again. Weird House Cinema

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Speaker 2: is our special Friday episode. Our core episodes of Stuff

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Speaker 2: to Blow Your Mind are still very much science and

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Speaker 2: culture and those are still publishing on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

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Speaker 2: This is a little extra fun that you get at

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Speaker 2: the end of the week to listen to if you want,

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Speaker 2: or you can skip them, or you can note what

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Speaker 2: the movie is, go watch the movie, come back. You know,

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Speaker 2: there are multiple ways to enjoy Weird House Cinema or not.

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Speaker 2: Of course, we want to hear from you. Are you

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Speaker 2: enjoying what we're doing here. Do you have recommendations for

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Speaker 2: the future, but especially if you have thoughts on the

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Speaker 2: Ewok movies, particularly the Battle for Indoor. Did you watch

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Speaker 2: it as a kid like I did? Did you have

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Speaker 2: have a well worn VHS copy of it? I'd love

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Speaker 2: to hear your thoughts on that, your thoughts about how

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Speaker 2: it fits into the broader Star Wars universe.

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Speaker 4: Everything is up for grabs, huge things.

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Speaker 3: As always to our excellent audio producer Seth Nicholas Johnson.

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Speaker 3: If you would like to get in touch with us

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Speaker 3: with feedback on this episode or any other, to suggest

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Speaker 3: a topic for the future, or just to say hello,

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Speaker 3: you can email us at contact. That's Stuff to Blow

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Speaker 3: your Mind dot com.

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Speaker 1: Stuff to Blow Your Mind is production of iHeartRadio. For

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