1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: I should like to congratulate you and having done a 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: fantastic job on behalf of the people of the United States. 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: And it's an honor to have worked with you. And 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what your timing is, but stick around. 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 1: Let's do this deal. Trumps in London. We're not going 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: to talk about the stupid high school gossip crap about 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: who said something mean about who just I can't believe 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: the media falls for that. Anyway, there is some pretty 9 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: important stuff happening. I'm I'm concerned about taking on two 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: different countries with trade as the weapon. Deborah J. Saunders 11 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: is the white House, a white House correspondent for the 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: Las Vegas Review Journal. They have no white Horse correspondents 13 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: at the Review Journal as far as I know. Debora 14 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: joins us, Now, how are you the white horse correspondent's 15 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: busy at the track today? I'm working in these new 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: protein bars, Debora, and they really hang on your teeth, 17 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: why in your cheeks? And I'm showing white house becomes 18 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: white horse very quickly, so listen. Obviously, Donald J is 19 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: embracing tariffs as a weapon. I've got the Chinese trade negotiation, 20 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: as I prefer to call it, which is necessary and important, 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: but I'm a little surprised to see him unleashing the 22 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: same threat on Mexico. In fact, your recent article little 23 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: enthusiasm found for Trump's planning to impose tariffs on Mexico. 24 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: What's the story, Well, there is little enthusiasm. So my 25 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: theory as as we speak now just sort of based 26 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: on the way things usually work here is Trump came, 27 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: he's wanted to close the border. He didn't because it 28 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: was the consequences were too big. He comes up with 29 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: these ideas that he wants to use to get people 30 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: to bend to his will. So closing the border he 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: can't do. So he thinks about, oh, I'm gonna do 32 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: a tariffs, and aids inside the White House try to 33 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: talk him out of it, and it works, and it works, 34 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: and then one day's his Nope, you're not talking to 35 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: me out of it. I'm going to do it. And 36 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: then uh, he's done that, and now it's supposed to 37 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: start June ten, and now you have a new group 38 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: of people telling him, know, this is really a bad idea. 39 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: So we know that the Foreign Minister of Mexico is 40 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: going to be meeting with Secretary of State Mike Pompey tomorrow, 41 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: and the question is are they going to work out 42 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: something that makes it look like boast both sides can 43 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: save face? Uh, and basically the charists go away, or 44 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: are we going to go forward as Trump's suggested could 45 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: happen when he was speaking at this press conference this morning, 46 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: and really have a two front trade war that could really, 47 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: you know, probably the US economy. I was just talking 48 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: to an economist you said, excided could bring us into 49 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: a recession if he got up to with Mexico. Well, listen, 50 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: before we get too far down the road of whether 51 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: tariffs are an appropriate lever, what is Trump asking the 52 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: Mexicans to do? He doesn't say, he won't say what 53 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: he wants them to well exactly, but in other words, 54 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: there's no I want you to reduce the number of 55 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: people crossing the order by there's no there's no criteria 56 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: that there's no set of criteria that have been released, 57 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: So we don't know exactly what it is. Well, and 58 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: if you don't know, nobody does. I mean, well, Donald, Jane, 59 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: Mike Pompeo might know, but you're a White House correspondent. 60 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: They've sent out a letter that when they when they 61 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: announced this, they said, we don't want to have we 62 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: want to just sort of decide based on what we're seeing. 63 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: I mean that was in that was in the announcement, 64 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: so that there is no uh, they're not asking for 65 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: anything specific. They're just trying to squeeze Mexico to give 66 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: to staunch the flow of immigrants from Central America. Well, 67 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: I get that, but can this do this? Yeah, that's 68 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: a It's a serious problem. There's no doubt about that. 69 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: Or I think it's no no doubt for most people now, 70 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: and it's not a manufactured crisis. It's a real crisis, 71 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: and Mexico has got to help with us. Is So, 72 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: is Trump just feel like because the battle with China, 73 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: that's a serious battle of heavyweights. But he's got a 74 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: lot of people on his side. Even Chuck Schumer's saying, 75 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: you know, stay stronghold the course on Mexico. I don't 76 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: see anybody on Trump's side. Um, for the greater issues, certainly, 77 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: you mean, but for the tariff's hair off the tariff 78 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: as a weapon. But does Trump just think we're so 79 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: much bigger than Mexico that he can just, you know, 80 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: laterally bend them to his will. Yeah, but again, I 81 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: mean I also think there have been times a way 82 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: of seeing him sort of talk big about the results 83 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: he's going to get, and you don't really see much. 84 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: But there's a bit, there's a nice ceremony and people 85 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: shake hands and they all feel good. The question is 86 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: how tough is he going to be about getting concessions 87 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: from them. Leaving the goals vague allows you to get 88 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: out at any time so that you can make it 89 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: so no one can meet them, and and it and 90 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: it makes it harder for Mexico to UM to really 91 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: know for sure what it is supposed to do. I mean, 92 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: we do know that they have done things to UM 93 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: to stage the flow of of immigrants from Central America, 94 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: but there's only so much they can do. Debra J. Saunders, 95 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: Whitehouse correspondent for the Las Vegas Review Journal. Well, one 96 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: thing is clear, Deborah, I mean, it's got to be 97 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: at the southern end of Mexico that the action takes place. 98 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: Just not letting the Central Americans in the whole keep 99 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: them from coming into the US. Thing North Korea and 100 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: and East Germany and prisons keep people in that's that's 101 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: not really a legitimate thing. For a state to do. Yeah, 102 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if I agree. There's not that much 103 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: they can do if they attack the southern border, which 104 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: is a much smaller border than our border with Mexico. 105 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:37,799 Speaker 1: I think they could do a lot more to stop 106 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: people from getting into their own country. Okay, But um, 107 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,119 Speaker 1: I guess we're asking them to do what we won't 108 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: do ourselves. Uh. And and I believe that that's an 109 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: interesting point right now, right there. And And also, I mean, 110 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: we do know that Mexico has agreed to let people 111 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: stay there while they were trying to get asylum. I mean, 112 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: we know that the concessions that have been made. So 113 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: that's a very good point you make. So Trump is 114 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: supposed to say to Mexico, Hey, you gotta get control 115 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: of your southern border. We've been sneaking people into your 116 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: country for decades. Do Yeah, what are you high? You know? 117 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: That's funny. I thought that was kind of a I 118 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: wasn't sure what you meant, ever, But the more I 119 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,679 Speaker 1: think about it, the more ironic it becomes. I'm looking, 120 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the border with the Guatemala and Belize. 121 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: As you know, does anybody fling from Belize or is 122 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: it just too pleasant. I haven't heard of Belizians. It's 123 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: not considered part of the Northern Triangle countries that are 124 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: Why not they get drummed out for something I perhaps, 125 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: perhaps perhaps are happy and believe I've never been to 126 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: belieze I, but I'm sure it's in fine place. Will 127 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: stipulate the Belizians are happy. Um, so, yeah, you've got 128 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: to control your border because people are coming through the country, 129 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: or we'll put tariff signing. Well, well, we'll see how 130 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: it goes. Listen, I tell you this, and I've got 131 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:02,559 Speaker 1: to voice this for Trump fans. Nothing has been done, 132 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: nothing but lies, hypocrisy, shot, lip service, and the rest 133 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: of it on immigration. And there are a hell of 134 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people in the United States who would 135 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: prefer a somewhat haphazard threatening of tariffs and then pulling 136 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: it back and then going finding Plan B as opposed 137 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: to what I think. And I'm certainly not accusing you 138 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: of this, but the mainstream media trying to make Trump 139 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: a joke for perhaps making missteps, but he's trying to 140 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: do something at least. Yeah, I mean, it's in my mind, 141 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: it's too bad that when when Republicans control both the 142 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: House in the Senate that they didn't work on on 143 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: the on the asylum. Yeah, no, kidding, take away that advantage, right, 144 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: that this is gonna be the big mistake for the 145 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: Trump first term. Um, just as people thought it was 146 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: a big mistake for Obama not to do something about 147 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: the Dream Act. And I think people are going to 148 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: be looking at this insane. You had a chance to 149 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: do something serious, but you thought you thought that you 150 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: could just I think something should be done and things 151 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: would happen, and you didn't understand how much work it 152 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: is to get things through Washington. And now I just 153 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen next. It's possible 154 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: that we go further. The thing is that one of 155 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: the reasons that the U. S. Economy is doing really well, 156 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: I believe are the Trump tax cuts right, and they 157 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: brought certainty for companies that had an understanding of the 158 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: fact that they could keep more of their money and 159 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: they had a good idea of how things would work. Um. 160 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: And when you when you now make them think that 161 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: they're not sure how they're going to handle their supply 162 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: chains and what they're going to be able to get, 163 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: you know what goods they'll be able to get from 164 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: different places. That adds an uncertainty that I don't think 165 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: is good for the economy. And so there are a 166 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: number of people the tax Foundation is an example that 167 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 1: think that this just takes away all the benefits from 168 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: from from from you know, between China Mexico for sure. 169 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: But but this takes away the benefits of the Tax 170 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,599 Speaker 1: Cuts and Jobs Act. Debor J. Saunders, White House correspondent 171 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: for the Las Vegas Review Journal. Debora, thank Q as 172 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: always great to talk to you. Thank you for having me. 173 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: Well done. So yeah, I could, I could easily see that, 174 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: especially as we're in the final crunch time of only 175 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: five and twenty days till the election. Um, those who 176 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: would like to see the Trump administration uh, you know 177 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: reelected are saying, oh, for God's sake, the one thing 178 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: you can't do is mess up the economy. So they're concerned. 179 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: We shall see. Jack the chihuahua, a popular pet name 180 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: for the state Mexico. Is it going to cost more 181 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 1: now because of the tariffs the Chihuahua. I have this 182 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: because listen, the mainstream media that hates Trump is making 183 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: a big deal over you know how it could really 184 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: screw up the economy and it could be a headwin 185 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: we don't need. But this is according to see an 186 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: end business. If President Donald trump'sose tariffs on Mexican products 187 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: go through, Chippotle burritos could get a little more expensive 188 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: then their paragraph two, and then paragraph three and on 189 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: their in paragraph four. Uh, this is the Chipotle chief 190 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: finance officer said, if the tariffs become permanent, which is 191 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: never going to happen, that's not that that The point 192 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: is that anyway, if they did, Jack, brace yourselves. Chipotle 193 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: and I quote could also consider passing on these costs 194 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: through a modest price increase, such as about a nickel 195 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: on a burrito. Wow. Um so sense, friends, you can't 196 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: even consider yourself in the world of journalism if you 197 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: write stories about and if they became permanent, that's not 198 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: even on the table. That's just not even a part 199 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: of the conversation. Were even talking about that, And even 200 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: if it did, it's still just five cents on my 201 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: burrito nickel. I need a burrito right now out that's 202 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: my supporting Mexico or the United States. If I'm supporting 203 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: the United States right if I continue to buy Mexican products, 204 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: at the higher price. I don't know. I'm confused. The 205 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: long and short of it is, I'm going to eat 206 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: a burrito farm Strong and Getty