1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:01,200 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 2: You know, now that I've been writing songs for a 3 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 2: long time and lucky to get to do it all 4 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 2: the time, I think it's more of a craps new people. 5 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: Maybe with fake you know, it's definitely an art form. 6 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: But to actually write a song, he's kind of like 7 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 2: build a house. You know, you got to know how 8 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 2: to swing a hammer and how to square corners and 9 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 2: how to you know, follow up plays and things like that. 10 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: You've arrived at the Taking a Walk Podcast, an audio 11 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: diary of music storytelling. Today, your host Buzz Night talks 12 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: with record Labels Country singer songwriter Matt Stell. Rolling Stone 13 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: named his song Prayed for You in twenty nineteen one 14 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: of the ten best Country Songs to Hear. Now, he's 15 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 1: releasing new music, and he talks about his songwriting process 16 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: and much more on Taking a Walk. 17 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 3: Well, Matt Stell, Welcome to the Taking a Walk Virtual Podcast. 18 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 4: Man, I'm glad to be here. Thanks for having me. 19 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 3: So tell me what's going on these days. I know 20 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 3: you're back in Nashville after doing some road warrior work, right. 21 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, Man, we stall the road quite a bit. We'll 22 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: leave out again tomorrow. But like we were, talking, just 23 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: submitted to go. It's I got to get home, sleep 24 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 2: my own bed, start a little laundry. 25 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 4: So, uh, we're we're in good shape. The fun stuff, right, 26 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. 27 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 3: Well, take me back. When was the first moment in 28 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 3: your life that you knew that you were going to 29 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 3: be connected with music? 30 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 4: You know, I always had I always loved music. 31 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: I just I guess assumed everybody loved music, uh the 32 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: way I did. But I guess in college I found 33 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: out that I just really had a passion for it. 34 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: You know. 35 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 4: That's where I kind of picked up a guitar and sat. 36 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 2: In front of a computer like this, and the learned 37 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: how to play and and you know that turned into 38 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: you know, buddies coming over and then you know, frat 39 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: houses and and uh, you know shows and stuff like that, 40 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: and you know, I kind of fell into it that way. 41 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: But I guess I kind of knew, I kind of 42 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: knew I was. I knew music was always gonna be 43 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: a part of what I did, But I didn't know 44 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: that I was going to get to, you know, make 45 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 2: my life about it, you know, build my life around it. 46 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: Was anybody in your family associated with music or musicians. 47 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have a pretty musical family, especially on 48 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: my mom's side. I actually had a couple of cousins 49 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: that had record deals and put out music and and 50 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: did that. And I was actually I was always, you know, 51 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: the athlete. I was the ballplayer, and I never you know, 52 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: I wasn't playing music at the time. And then you know, 53 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: I sort of stumbled on it in college. It was this, 54 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: you know, different, different thing, and I felt like I 55 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 2: had this big learning curve that I had to, uh 56 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: to catch up with everybody. So but but that was 57 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 2: that was probably good, you know, because it showed me 58 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 2: what how good good is and because they were really 59 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: really talented people, and and uh, you know, I learned 60 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 2: a lot from them, both both musically and then you know, 61 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 2: kind of on the business side of stuff too. 62 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 3: Who were some of the mentors that really made a 63 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 3: difference for. 64 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: You all the mentors that really made a difference for me. 65 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot going forward. I know that 66 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 2: you know, my cousin Hey, and uh, she was really 67 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 2: gracious and and uh, you know, and including me and 68 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: some some rites early on, and uh, Automatic and tire 69 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: Song right here in town really went out on a 70 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 2: m for me and and helped me get helped me 71 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: get my first pub deal when I finally did. And 72 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: and you know, I've had and I've had people along 73 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 2: the way I've had you know. Uh, it's it takes 74 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 2: so many people, in so many different ways, uh to 75 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: do this kind of stuff. 76 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 4: Uh. 77 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: Ash Bowers early on, he he really uh you know, 78 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: he gave me an opportunity early on. So I gotta 79 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: I gotta thank him for that. And uh, you know 80 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: a lot of writers too that I just kind of 81 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: were would write with me and I'd learned from him, 82 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: and uh, you know that there's there's some great folks 83 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: there as well. Uh Screwter Caruso. You know, He's one 84 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: that I've written with a lot and learned a lot from. 85 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: And so so yeah, man, I mean the list is long, 86 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: you know, especially from the radio sides. You know, there's 87 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 2: there's a lot of people from the label side and 88 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: stuff like that. But it takes a lot of people. 89 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: And uh, and I try to keep my eyes and 90 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: ears open and and ready to learn something as much 91 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: as I can. 92 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 3: You have a multifaceted sort of background in terms of 93 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 3: your schooling and some of the other aspirations that you 94 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: were associated with. So I want to click through a 95 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 3: couple of them. I mean, you played college basketball, didn't you? 96 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 4: I did? Yeah, Yeah I did. I played. 97 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 2: That's actually where I started playing guitar. Because you're on 98 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: campus all winter break. You know, if you're playing PlayStation 99 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 2: with your teammates, or you're you know, that's a play 100 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 2: at practice, you know, that's about it. Or traveling to 101 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: play ball, you know, that's about it. So, uh, that's 102 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 2: where I picked up a guitar. And and but but 103 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: basketball was my first was my first love, was my 104 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 2: first dream. And that one kind of turned into this 105 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: one that I have now. 106 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 3: As somebody who studied communications, myself was fascinated that you 107 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 3: also studied communications. What aspirations around uh communications did you have? 108 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I was really more interested in kind 109 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: of rhetorical studies, American studies, kind of social critique, that 110 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: kind of thing. 111 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 4: I just always it was interested. 112 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: In dealing with, uh, you know, kind of big and 113 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 2: new and interesting ideas. 114 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 4: You know. My my communication. 115 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: My my communication degree wasn't focused in like organization or 116 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: mass communication and broadcasts or anything like that. It was 117 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: it was it was much more of a of a 118 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: an outcropping of h of like social critique and things 119 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: like that. Like I was just always interested in, uh 120 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 2: people's ideas of how things worked, and I had my 121 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 2: own ideas and and so yeah, that that was that's 122 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 2: kind of my my uh communication in a nut show 123 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: where I could really just you know, I could really 124 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 2: call it like rhetoric or argumentation, you know that, you know, 125 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 2: that's that's what I was interested in. 126 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 3: And then the medical side of your aspirations. You were 127 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 3: involved with the medical mission uh to Haiti, and you, 128 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 3: uh you studied pre med. Uh tell me about that. 129 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 4: Well, so I didn't study pre med. 130 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: I thought I was gonna maybe. I thought I was 131 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 2: gonna do it. So I went I went on that. 132 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 2: I went on that medical missus Tria origin along saw 133 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: some doctors and and it was just really blown away 134 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: by how they could just improve people's lives, but as 135 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: you know, help it, you know, directly could help people, 136 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: you know that really needed it the most. And I 137 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 2: was like, man, that's a that's that's pretty special. And 138 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 2: uh so I applied to this pre medical program because 139 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: I had a lot of you know, I've been to 140 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: a lot of school, but I still needed some hard sciences, 141 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 2: you know. I needed my physics and chemistry and what 142 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: have you to be able to apply to some of 143 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 2: these med schools. And I got accepted in a program 144 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 2: for that. 145 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 4: But I. 146 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 2: Because I was in Nashville trying to get a publishing 147 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: deal so I could write songs and that hadn't happened. 148 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: So I got it setted into that program. I was 149 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: gonna pull up stakes and move to the Northeast and 150 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 2: and just really take a fourking road. And man, I 151 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: got the opportunity to write songs about two months before 152 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: I was moving. 153 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 4: So uh, luckily I didn't have to fail. 154 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: I didn't have to flunk out of pre med before 155 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: before not having to do it, because they would have. 156 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 4: Been pretty tough, but I did. I did think that 157 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 4: would be I don't know. 158 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 2: I was just very very wowed by by the way that. 159 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 4: That the medicine can can help people, like right now. 160 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 3: So I'm going to come back to music and medicine 161 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 3: a little bit later on. So what was this band, 162 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 3: the Crashers all about? Man? 163 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 4: That was my first band, dude. 164 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: You know, I was playing acoustics in bars and had 165 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 2: a buddy that he and I started playing together and 166 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: we put a band together and uh we uh yeah, that. 167 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 4: Was our it was our first shot at it. 168 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 2: I was really a lot of those guys lived in 169 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: Missouri and I did too, it uh while I was 170 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 2: in college, and uh then I moved then I moved 171 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: back home around a little rock and but we would 172 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: still tour too, around Plavory show that we could, everywhere 173 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: that we could. And uh, yeah, that was my first 174 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: experience with it and learned a lot, learned, learned what 175 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: to do, what not to do, and and uh, you 176 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 2: know it was Uh, it. 177 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 4: Was a special time for sure. 178 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: You still. 179 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 2: Press Uh there's probably some out there somewhere. Yeah, I 180 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: actually I have recordings of the songs we were playing. 181 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: I guess I probably recorded them with uh with other 182 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: other musicians. But you know, we tried to make a 183 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: record together one time. It didn't go great. And uh 184 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: and then uh so ided up coming to Nashville and 185 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 2: and uh, you know, cutting a record with some studio guys, 186 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: and you know, we turned on that and you know, 187 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: again it was like because you can make music, because 188 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: technology had kind of democratize music where you can make it, 189 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: anybody can make it. 190 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 4: You make a record, a record, you know, you can. 191 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: I have a bunch of stuff from what I was 192 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 2: learning how to make music and how to write music, 193 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: and some of it's all right, and then some of 194 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 2: it's like, look cringey. 195 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 4: But but at the end of the day, you know, 196 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 4: that's that learning process. 197 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 2: You know that you kind of grow up through your 198 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: through try to trial and error, and there's plenty of error, 199 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 2: that's for sure. 200 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 3: I like to talk about your songwriting process, how you 201 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 3: learn that process, and also what you like about it 202 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 3: and what you don't like about the songwriting process. 203 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 204 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 2: Well, I mean my process starts with just having my 205 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: intentna up and you know, coming up with song titles 206 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: anywhere that I that I can. You know, I just 207 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 2: jobbed down on my phone, whether whether one song makes 208 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: me think of, you know, a different angle on something 209 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: totally different if I read something, if I watch something, 210 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: if I hear something that's in a conversation, you know whatever. 211 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: I'm always I'm always jobbing that down to my phone, 212 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 2: you know, and that's where it starts. And then generally 213 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: sometimes I'll write them by myself. Sometimes I'll get in 214 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 2: a room with Sometimes I get in a room with 215 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: a couple of people and and we'll toss ideas around 216 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 2: and come up with. 217 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 4: Something and and go from there. 218 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 2: But I think, you know, now that I've done it, 219 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 2: you know now that I've been writing songs for for 220 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: a long time, and and I'm lucky to get to 221 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: do it all the time. You know, it's kind of 222 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: like writing salts a little bit, like I think it's 223 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: more of a crap than people maybe I would think, 224 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: you know, it's definitely an art form, but to actually 225 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 2: write a song, it's kind of like building a house. 226 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 4: You know, you got to know how to yet to 227 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 4: know how to swing a hammer, and how to square. 228 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: Corners and how to you know, follow follow uh plays 229 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 2: and things like that. But the songwriting part is very 230 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: much that. It's very much knowing how to build a house. 231 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 2: And then the creative part all that is, you know, 232 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 2: the title or the idea is like the plans of 233 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 2: the house. It's like the blueprint kind of thing. So 234 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: that that's that's something that I've learned. That's how I 235 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 2: take about it, and I try to not have any rules, 236 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 2: but that's generally how it comes out for me. It's 237 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 2: usually starts with the lyric and goes from there. Sometimes 238 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: melody sometimes not you know or you know, charge of 239 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: starting it, but that's generally in my process. 240 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 3: Well, since this podcast is called taking a walk, I'd 241 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 3: be remissive I didn't ask you. So if you're in 242 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 3: the middle of that songwriting process, whether on your own 243 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 3: or with others, and you get stalled at any point 244 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 3: in time, do you go take a walk? 245 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 4: I mean sometimes we do. I mean it's uh, I'm 246 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 4: pretty I like to just like literally walk. 247 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 2: Sometimes I just get up and be pacing around the 248 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: room and there's something about that that that I don't know, 249 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: it kind of shifts gears a little bit then, you know, 250 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: kind of sitting. So yeah, definitely, I mean we'll do that, 251 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 2: or sometimes we'll go at lunch or sometimes I just 252 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 2: come back to it, you know later, And a lot 253 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 2: of songs and now I'm not I'm not bashful about it. 254 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: Like a lot of times I get a song done 255 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: or a demo done, I'll listen to it and that'll 256 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: kind of be a little bit of a rough draft 257 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 2: and I'll do some change into it too, So I 258 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 2: definitely live with it. 259 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 4: And literally taking a walk in the room sometimes helps you. 260 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 3: And then also it must be fitting at times to 261 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: have some recordings from demos and pop it in while 262 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 3: you're in the car driving, right. I mean that must 263 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 3: be also helpful. 264 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, it's kind of it's it's I do it 265 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: all the time, you know. That's kind of what the 266 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: demos are for, you know, it's kind of to live 267 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: with them and U and then something to share it 268 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 2: with people, you know, when they get to when they 269 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 2: get to the right spot. 270 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 4: You know. 271 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: Typically you know, now there's like a work tape will 272 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: be what we kind of do in the room, even 273 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 2: if it's you know, pretty pretty produced because of how 274 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 2: people can you know, use it, you know, build make 275 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 2: music inside the box, so to speak. So we'll have 276 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 2: that work tape and then we'll work on then we'll 277 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 2: get a demo, and then the demo we'll send out 278 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 2: and then if we decide to cut it, you know, 279 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 2: we'll we'll track that and get a master out of it. 280 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely a lot of a lot of hours 281 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 2: of the car passed by listen into two demos for sure. 282 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 3: Do you ever reach a point where you go, man, 283 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 3: that's a stinker. I can't do anything with that, and 284 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 3: you just move on from it. 285 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: You know, I'm I'm lucky to get to write with 286 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 2: a bunch of really talented people. 287 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 4: So you know, we we can. 288 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: Typically always build a house, you know, but it's like, 289 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: is it you know, is it a house you'd want 290 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 2: to live in? You know, talking about so yeah, I 291 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 2: mean sometimes, you know, I write a lot of songs 292 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 2: that get written and then that's it, and and you know, 293 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: sometimes that's uh, sometimes it's the idea in the first place, 294 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: wasn't you know, so I guess say worth writing or 295 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: didn't didn't produce some of the court We just didn't 296 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:50,719 Speaker 2: do a great job with the. 297 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 4: Idea that day. 298 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 2: So yeah, all the time, man, I mean it's it's 299 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 2: it's a hit up. You win some you lose something 300 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: for sure. 301 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 3: What's your memory of hearing for the first time one 302 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 3: of your songs on the radio? 303 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 2: Well, I remember, maybe not the first time I heard it, 304 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: you know, because you kind of sometimes you hear it 305 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: and then small town uh, and in the small town, 306 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: you know America, you'll hear you know, the song get 307 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 2: played on the on the radio station in town. But 308 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 2: I really like the first time I ever encountered my 309 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: saw sort of in the wild. I was in Vegas 310 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 2: and I was in an uber and uh, and the 311 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 2: lady had the radio on and and uh, my song 312 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: came on and and I was like, man, that's gonna 313 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: sound weird, but that's me right there on the radio. 314 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 4: And I don't know that she believed me, but uh, 315 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 4: but I do remember that I was in an uber 316 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 4: and Vega. 317 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 3: What song was it? 318 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 4: It was pretty for you? It was yeah, yeah. 319 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 3: Do you still like have goosebumps about that moment? 320 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 4: Man, it's pretty special, you know. I. 321 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 2: Uh, it's tough to kind of put everything in perspective 322 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: because at the time, you know, it's it, it's h 323 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: you know, it kind of happens and it and he 324 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 2: can just sort of wash over you a little bit. 325 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: But definitely it is. You know, I think back on 326 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 2: those moments and and how special that is, How special 327 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: that was, and uh, you know, the fact that you know, 328 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 2: people want to hear you know music, you know my 329 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 2: music at all, you know, is the reason I want 330 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 2: to start doing it. 331 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 4: So it does give you that kind of goosebump moment. Yeah. 332 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 3: How great is it having someone like Barry Weiss who's 333 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 3: at the Helm of Records. Uh, you know, that's part 334 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 3: of guiding your career. 335 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I mean it's it's it's it's great to 336 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 2: have somebody believe in you and uh incited to a 337 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 2: record deal and then you have some success together. That's uh, 338 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 2: that's that's that's pretty special. That's what you want to 339 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: that's what you want to happen when you move to 340 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 2: town and and uh so you know, very grateful for 341 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 2: that opportunity and uh and excited to get some new 342 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 2: music out with them. 343 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 4: Uh here, actually pretty soon here What's today Tonight comes 344 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 4: out tonight? Uh uh breaking a boost? 345 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: My next My next next singles out tonight, so should 346 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 2: be a fun ride again hopefully. 347 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 3: And what other stuff are you working on after that single? 348 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 4: Man, I'm constantly writing. I've got another another five tracks cut. 349 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back in the studio here in November 350 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 2: and finish out, finish out a project. And I can't 351 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: wait to get that released out into the world because 352 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: I think it. I'm really proud of it. I'm proud 353 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: of the songs I've written for it. This is the 354 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 2: most personal stuff that I've done. You know, there was 355 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 2: a time when I had people, uh when I was 356 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: when I had people that thought they knew what was 357 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 2: best for me that I probably listened to too much. 358 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: I tried to steer what I do and tell me 359 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 2: who I am and what I should do. You know, 360 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 2: you make those kind of mistakes, and those are tough 361 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 2: mistakes to make. But I learned the less of that 362 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 2: that I'm gonna let. I'm gonna let what I think 363 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: is worth cutting be the be the funnel, and then 364 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 2: everybody else can have their opinions and not the other 365 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: way around. You know, I still want opinions from from folks, 366 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 2: but uh, it has to uh. You know, at the 367 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 2: end of the day, the reason I love music is 368 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: because you know that kid that's sitting on the end 369 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: of his dorm room, uh, the bed in his dorm 370 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: learning how to play on the computer. Like the feeling 371 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: that my favorite songs gave me is what I'm chasing. 372 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 2: And if I don't get that feeling, then that that's 373 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 2: I'm in, that ceiling, that's the kind of business I'm in. 374 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 4: And anything short of that, I'm not gonna do. 375 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 3: What's some of the music from other folks that you're 376 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 3: listening to these days? 377 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 4: Oh man? You know, I I listened to that news 378 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 4: Zach Grive record. 379 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 2: I like it probably the best of anything that he's 380 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 2: put out. I've listened to Jason as Bowls of the Weather, 381 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,239 Speaker 2: Van's record that's really grown on me. I mean I 382 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 2: liked it in the first place, but I find myself 383 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: going back to it. It's anytime whenever. Whenever he puts 384 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 2: out stuff, it's definitely worth worth a listen. I'm trying 385 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: to think of some there's there's been some great country 386 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: records that have that have dropped in some great songs, 387 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 2: and I'd have to look on my phone right now 388 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 2: of all that stuff. But I listened to quite a 389 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: bit of music and and all genres too. You know, 390 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 2: I love I love country music, but uh, you know 391 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 2: I I love I love all kinds of stuff. 392 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 4: So I'm constantly looking for what's new and fresh. 393 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 3: What would surprise your fans that you listened to that 394 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 3: maybe they wouldn't think you would. 395 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 4: Oh man, that's a good question. 396 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 2: I mean, on the way I was dropping in Colorado 397 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,959 Speaker 2: yesterday and we were listening to Guy Clark and we 398 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 2: were listening to JP Sacks and the same and Jerry 399 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 2: Jeff Walker all on the same playlist. And so I 400 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: think that James McMurtrie is one of my all time 401 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 2: favorites too. So you know, like those kind of uh, 402 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 2: those writers like that. I don't know if that surprise folks 403 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 2: all that much. I mean I thought this that last 404 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 2: Tennis Swift record, Midnights was was fantastic. I love that, Uh, 405 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: I love uh And Noah Khan stuff. 406 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 4: Is this cool? 407 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 2: Man, It's it's uh, it's fun to see that, to 408 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 2: see that kind of organic thing popping his head out, 409 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 2: and so like I could, I could go on and on. 410 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 4: Man, I I'm a fan of all kinds of stuff. 411 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 3: That's a that's a good window inside the depth of 412 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 3: your music with some of the stuff that you mentioned. 413 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I mean I think, you know, especially in 414 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 2: this day and age, you know, we all kind of 415 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 2: grew up with with music at our fingertips and so 416 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 2: because because you you know, you can literally have every 417 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 2: song in the world with a president button, that generally 418 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: means that you're that you're genres or you know, people 419 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 2: may have a favorite genre, but they'll venture outside of 420 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 2: that for sure. 421 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 3: What would you tell someone listening to this that's a 422 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 3: aspiring musician, that would be advice to keep them on 423 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 3: the long road. 424 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 2: Well, I would say that you know, a write songs, 425 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: if you love to write songs, write songs, you know, 426 00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 2: you never know what's going to happen, but what it 427 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 2: does happened, you know, you have to learn how to 428 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 2: build that house. Like I was talking about before, you 429 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,239 Speaker 2: got to learn the craft. And even if you are 430 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: reinventing the craft, you know, it's like you still you 431 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 2: still have to kind of you still have to know 432 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 2: how it's done to make choices, that know how things 433 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 2: are done, to make. 434 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 4: Choices to do them differently. 435 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 2: So I would say, right as much as you can, 436 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: you know, I think, you know, from a pragmatic standpoint, 437 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 2: I think if you have dreams of playing music for 438 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 2: a living, if you have jade of writing music for 439 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,479 Speaker 2: a living, that uh uh, you know you're gonna need 440 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 2: to keep your overhead low, you know, not making where 441 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: you don't live very expensive so you don't have to 442 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: uh you know, have stide hustles that take over and 443 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 2: become your main hustle and turn music into your side hustle. 444 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 4: That's another like thing I think, Uh yeah, man, you 445 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 4: know there were times in my life. 446 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 2: Where where I didn't you know, no one knows what's 447 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 2: gonna happen, and I got extremely. 448 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 4: Lucky, you know, you know, getting a record deal and 449 00:20:59,280 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 4: all that stuff. 450 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 2: But uh, you want to be ready for when that 451 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 2: stuff happens, and you want to get around other creating 452 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 2: people as well, like you get to get you around. 453 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 2: That's what the best part about Nashville is, UH is 454 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: that it's it's there's no place that that has this 455 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 2: uh concentration of musical talent, you know, per capita, whether 456 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 2: that's players, whether that's writers, especially writers, And so I 457 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 2: would say get around as many of those people as 458 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 2: you can because you're. 459 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 4: Gonna learn from each other. 460 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 2: And I should have moved to Nashville sooner and I 461 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 2: would have gotten I would have benefited from it because 462 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 2: being around of the credit people, you're constantly propelling each 463 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 2: other to to get better and to and to do 464 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 2: the next the next cool thing. 465 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 4: So those maybe a couple of things. But what do 466 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 4: I know? 467 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 3: You know a lot in Nashville. There's some pretty incredible 468 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:55,719 Speaker 3: venues that must be unbelievably energizing to play at. Uh. 469 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 3: What are you some of your favorite experiences from playing 470 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 3: at some of those legendary places? 471 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 2: Well, I mean playing the opery is is you know, 472 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 2: that's probably my best memory of one of my favorite memories. 473 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 4: I should say. You know, I'm from a town of 474 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 4: three hundred people. 475 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 2: Uh, and when I played the Opry, I mean most 476 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 2: of the town, people that had left Conway County, people 477 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: that hadn't left Arkansas, and who knows how long made 478 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 2: the trip to Nashville to see me play on the Opry. 479 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 2: And my you know, family from Texas and Florida, Carolina 480 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 2: is all over came and uh that was really special. 481 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 2: And uh now, uh, I don't know, man, it's just 482 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 2: that that that is the one of the memories that 483 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: sticks out for me the most. And I had my 484 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 2: had my mama, my grandmama was backstage and and uh 485 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 2: that was so fun and. 486 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 4: And man it was it was really really cool. 487 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 3: Well, I want to close with this come back to 488 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 3: your medicine aspirations. We produced this other podcast and it's 489 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 3: called Music Save Me, and it's about the power of 490 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 3: music as a healing force and what it means to folks. 491 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 3: Do you think that music has healing therapeutic powers? 492 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, just coming from a from 493 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 2: my perspective, I would definitely say that yes, in a sense, 494 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 2: you know, like music. I think I think music enriches 495 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: life as much as it heals anything. 496 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 4: You know what I mean. 497 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: It's it can definitely get your mind in the right 498 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 2: place in all those in all those different ways. But 499 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 2: uh so, I think it definitely has a role in 500 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 2: that way. 501 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 3: Well, I wish you well on all the future and 502 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 3: congratulations on all your successes. Matt Stell. It's awesome to 503 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 3: have you on Taking a Walk. I so appreciate it. 504 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 4: Absolutely, buzz man. I appreciate you having me and I 505 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 4: hope we run into each other soon. 506 00:23:58,800 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 3: I hope. 507 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: So we hope you enjoyed country music artist Matt Stell 508 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,959 Speaker 1: on Taking a Walk. If you like this and other episodes, 509 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: leave us a review and share it with everyone. 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