1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: you know this is a compiletion episode. So every episode 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: of the week that just happened is here in one 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,159 Speaker 1: there's gonna be nothing new here for you, but you 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: can make your own decisions. Welcome back to it could 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: happen here, a podcast about things falling apart. This week 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 1: we have an episode that is in the vein of 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: what my co host Garrison Davis and I like to 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: call Here's a problem, goodbye episodes. UH. And the problem 13 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: is that there has been a massive and as far 14 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: as I can tell, unprecedented wave of swatting incidents against 15 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: public schools and multiple states over the last couple of weeks. UH. 16 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 1: And here with me to talk about that is the 17 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: person who noticed it first, UH, anti fascist researcher UH 18 00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: and community meeting note taker Molly Conjure. Molly, you are 19 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: socialist dog Mom on Twitter, where you are a sensation 20 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: with your delightful little pups um and also one of 21 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: the best researchers that I know in the biz. Welcome 22 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: to the show. Great to be here. So yeah, you 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: want to start. Yeah. So this has been going on, 24 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: I guess for two weeks. There's been this wave of 25 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: swattings against schools across the country. UM, and I didn't 26 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: notice it until it happened here. Um. We had to 27 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: restart this so many times. I feel like it's great though, 28 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: you should because it happened here. I love it. We 29 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: can say the name of the show and we finally 30 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: get to do it. Yeah, but you know, you know, 31 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: my attention is primarily local. So on Monday, when every 32 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: cop in the region was dispatched to Charlttesville High School 33 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: because there was a false report of an active shooter 34 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: inside the school, Um, it was quickly determined to be 35 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: a squatting right, so they dispatched everybody. They locked the 36 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: school down, they cleared the classrooms with guns. You know, 37 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: kids reported being terrified of you know, because it was 38 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: happy to them. They were just enjoying, you know, an 39 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: afternoon in high school and all of a sudden, there's 40 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: a man with a rifle in their classroom. Um, And 41 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: it was quickly determined to have been a squatting, and 42 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: I was listening over the scanner and by the time 43 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: they were clearing the scene, that's what they were calling it. 44 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: So the police identified it as a swatting, like through 45 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: over the Yeah, and I think that may have they 46 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: may have arrived at that conclusion more quickly because a 47 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: dozen other districts had it at the same time. So 48 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: across the state of Virginia, UM districts you know, from 49 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: Hampton Roads to Arlington, Culpepper, Lynchburg, like tiny towns in 50 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: Shenandoah County, like a town with four thousand people down 51 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: you know, in the southern part of the state, we're 52 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: hit almost exactly the same time with these hoax calls 53 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: about you know, I gotta get somebody down to the 54 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: school because there's somebody with a gun. Good lord. It's 55 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: so you know, it happened all over the place. All 56 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: of these schools were quickly cleared. No one was hurt, 57 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: thank god. UM. But as we think, you know, as 58 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: the news was coming in, I was picking, you know, 59 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: picking through trying to find the districts where this was happening. 60 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: And I was pulling up these news articles and it 61 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: wasn't just us, and it wasn't just that day, so 62 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: it's I think the earliest I can find in this 63 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: rash was what is that two weeks ago in Texas? 64 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: A bunch of districts in Texas were hit. Uh And 65 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: the one in Houston I think is particularly grim because 66 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: the caller, the caller said, you know, oh, ten students 67 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: have already been shot there in the classroom. It's two 68 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: guys with a rs and they gave this is one 69 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: of the one of the ones that the best described 70 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: in the media is that the caller gave a description 71 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: of the two shooters. And that's what scares me, right, 72 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: is that the cops show up with a description in mind, 73 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: they're going to act with extreme prejudice if they see 74 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: someone who fits that description. There's a Hispanic guy in 75 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: the parking lot that you know, it could be a risk. Well, 76 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: and that's that's the first one. Like when I shared 77 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: your early posts on this, people from Houston started showing 78 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: up and saying like, hey, you know, we had something 79 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: like this hit a couple of weeks go, and it 80 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: sounds like it's the same thing. And these are I mean, 81 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: like number one, the scale of this, it feels unlikely 82 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: that at some level. I know there's there's certainly possible, 83 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: an extreme likelihood that some of these are copycats, some 84 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: of these are people falling in. But the sheer number 85 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: of them makes it seems it's hard to believe that 86 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: this would all be unrelated, all of these calls would 87 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: be unrelated to each other. I think, you know, I 88 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: don't know what the background level of normal slottings is, 89 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: right like, I'm sure to a certain degree this is 90 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: happening somewhere all the time. You know, people are saying, oh, 91 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: it's just kids who don't want to take tests. Yeah, 92 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: fifteen schools in Minnesota where hit simultaneously yesterday. This isn't 93 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: kids who don't want to take that right simultaneously, so 94 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: many schools, And it's there is a point there, which is, 95 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: you know, because people when I started sharing this and stuff, 96 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: people like, well, what are we supposed to do? And 97 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: the first thing that occurs to me is actually not 98 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: a preventative measure, but is purely just like, well, we 99 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: should probably have some sort of least at a state 100 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: level system in every state for letting people know how 101 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: many fake swatting attempts agat schools are happening, How many 102 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: like false reports of mass shootings at schools occur like 103 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: it would be because otherwise we can't tell if this 104 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: is rising above the level of background. I think it's 105 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: clear this is because neither of us can think of 106 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: a time when there were this many in such a 107 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: short period of time. But dozens a day, dozens a day, 108 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: there should be some method of keeping track of that 109 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: because it is. I thought, that's a lesson of nine 110 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: eleven rights that don't have inter agency communication. Like you know, 111 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: on Monday, when it was hitting all these schools in Virginia, 112 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: some of the early reports were, you know, quotes from 113 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: local authorities saying we talked to the state police and 114 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: this happened to to other people. It's like, well, I've 115 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: already found ten other reports. Did the state police know 116 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: about these? Yeah? And it's it's this is um. Obviously 117 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: none of this is as bad as a single actual 118 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: mass shooting at a school. But this isn't like nothing either. 119 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: It's not like you you file a false report about, 120 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, a break in and the cops drive 121 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: around a neighborhood for a while, like this is kids 122 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: getting guns pointed in their faces. This is children thinking 123 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: that like their friends have been massacred. This is like 124 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: parents thinking their kids might be dead. This is this. 125 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: This is an act of violence, like doing this as 126 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: an act of violence and it ripples. Right, the effects 127 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: of this are are compound and unfathomable. You know, I 128 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: heard from friends in the community saying, you know, I 129 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: got a text from my thirteen year old son saying, 130 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening, but I love you. And 131 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: even if, even if you know, thirty minutes later, the 132 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: dangerous passed and everyone knows it was a false alarm. 133 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: For that thirty minutes, those parents thought, I thought that 134 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 1: their kids weren't going to come home. And you know, 135 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: it's a background fear the parents have every day. When 136 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: they said that, but that's the text no parent wants 137 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: to get right. You know, before we lost the recording earlier, 138 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: I was telling you about a a surgeon here in Charletsville. 139 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: She's a surgeon at EBA Hospital. So the hospital was 140 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: alerted about a possible mass casualty incident so they could 141 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: prepare their their operating rooms and swimming gets the mass 142 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: casualty incident alert as she's scrubbing in for a scheduled surgery. 143 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: So she has to walk into that, She has to 144 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: walk into that o R without her phone knowing that 145 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: her child's school, to her knowledge in that moment, has 146 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: a mass shooter inside of it. And so she doesn't 147 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: know if when she walks out of that o R 148 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: are her children going to be in there. That's horrific. 149 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: That's horrific. And also like that could get somebody killed. 150 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: And this is nothing care. It would not be surprising 151 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: if she was less able to properly provide care in 152 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: that situation. That's just being a person. Um. So this 153 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: is serious, very serious, and it um So yesterday a 154 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: rash of them hit Minnesota, and some locals in Minnesota 155 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: were saying that so one of the schools that was 156 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: hit was East main Cato High School the day before, 157 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: so the day before yesterday that at that high school, 158 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: a student at that high school attempted suicide with a 159 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: firearm in the parking lot. So kids came back to 160 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: school the day after this. You know, the students survived 161 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: in his hospitalized, but you know they're coming to school 162 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: hopefully to you know, access counseling resources and deal with 163 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: the fact that one of their classmates shot himself in 164 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: the parking lot and suddenly they're sheltering in place and 165 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: there's cops with guns. Just there's a baseline reality for 166 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: these students every day that gun violence is present, and 167 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: this is just cruel to them. One of the things 168 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: that surprises me. We you and I you started what 169 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: was it four days ago now, kind of reporting this 170 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: on your Twitter, which is where you do. You're reporting 171 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: on local news and the anti fascist reporting as well. Um, 172 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: and so I started sharing your stuff and I we 173 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: started chatting about doing an episode. And my suspicion, the 174 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: thing I was expecting was that like, well, we'll probably 175 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: get scooped on this, right, Like there's probably like vice 176 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: or somebody is going to put out something because there's 177 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: just there's too damn many of these. Um it's Thursday now, 178 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: the started Monday. I still haven't seen any coverage of 179 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 1: this as a as a wave of swattings, and I'm 180 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: kind of surprised by at there's a few, Like you know, regionally, 181 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: people are putting together and doing these little quick hits 182 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: about like, oh, this happened in a dozen districts in 183 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: our state. Yeah, but I'm not I'm not seeing anyone 184 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: connect the dots nationally, and you know, and some of 185 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: these local stories are saying the local authorities are talking 186 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: to the FBI, but I don't know that there's a 187 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: cohesive nationwide investigation into this as as a phenomenon. Regionally, 188 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: there is some indication that, like these calls are connected. 189 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: So I saw an article that just came out an 190 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: hour ago in Minnesota that all of the Minnesota calls 191 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: came from the same IP address. Ah, So this that's 192 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what that's the proof we're looking for though, 193 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: that's the evidence we're looking for that, like there's a 194 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 1: significant degree degree to which this stuff is is coordinated. 195 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: And when I because this is something that since you 196 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: started talking about it, every researcher I know who covers 197 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: extremism has been talking about at least a little bit 198 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: in like private conversation signal loops. And the thing that 199 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: keeps coming up is like, is there some ship on 200 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: Kiwi farms? Is there some ship on four chance? Is 201 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: there some ship on like these these little spaces. I 202 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: haven't seen anything nothing, So yeah, and you know, to 203 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: some degree there is the possibility of social contagion, right, 204 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: Like I found a few stories that don't fit the pattern. 205 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,079 Speaker 1: Specific cases like yesterday in Roanoke, a fourteen year old 206 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: girl was arrested for making one of these threats. She 207 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: didn't make all of them, she made this one. Did 208 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: she do this with what she inspired to do? So? 209 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: Because of this? Was it unrelated? It's hard to say. 210 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 1: So this at some point, even if it did originate 211 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: in one incubator, it breaks containment. And I'm I am 212 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: certain that's part of the intent, right, Like when you 213 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: do the benefit of if you're thinking about because again, 214 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: we don't know who did this. We don't know what 215 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: kind of ideology or whatever or why was behind it, 216 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: but we know that a significant number of them like 217 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: occurred from a single source, which means like something coordinated 218 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: was happening at some stage of this. That's a reasonable 219 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: conclusion to draw from the extent information um And I 220 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: think it's just pure psychic terrorism, right because my first 221 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: thought on Monday was, is this someone testing the fences? 222 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: Is this someone timing response times? Is someone watching local 223 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: news coverage to see what kind of equipment the police have? 224 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense at this scale. This isn't how 225 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: you would do that, because this is going to draw 226 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: too much attention, right, and like, why would you want 227 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: to know the you know, the police capabilities in Emporia, Virginia, 228 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: which is just like three truck stops in high school. 229 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: No offense to the beautiful town of Emporia of Virginia. 230 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: It is Virginia's greatest speed trap. God bless them. Yeah, 231 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: but like that, that theory immediately fell by the wayside 232 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: for me because it doesn't make sense. But it is interesting. 233 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: So I've been, you know, trying to compile follow ups 234 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 1: on some of these reports because the initial reporting is 235 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: vague and people use nine one one as shorthand sol 236 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 1: They'll say a nine one one call, But was it 237 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: actually a nine one one call? Because that makes a 238 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: huge difference here dialing nine one one is you know, 239 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: I'm not a genius about how technology works, but if 240 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: I done INLINEE one here of my living room, it 241 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: hits my closest emergency communications center, right, it's my local 242 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: nine one one. If these calls are being made from 243 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: out of state, it takes a high degree of technical 244 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: ability to hit a dispatch center where you aren't. Yeah, right, 245 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: so we know we're not dealing with someone who is 246 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: capable of that Alternatively, we know perhaps that this person 247 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: knows that making a false nine one one call is 248 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: a separately prosecutable crime. Right, So like the articles that 249 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: are specific will say that the call came in directly 250 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: to police dispatch, or the call came in to the 251 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: front desk at the sheriff's office. So these people know 252 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: well enough how to contact the you know, the front 253 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: desk at the police department and the name of a 254 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: school that's nearby right there. It's not it's not so 255 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: vague as as to just be dialing random police stations 256 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: and saying go to the high school. And that also again, 257 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: because we we've just mentioned, I haven't seen any evidence 258 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: of this in the places you would expect if this 259 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: was the way. It's a lot of these docks in 260 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: campaigns have gone the way a lot of Kiwi farm 261 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: stuff goes the way a lot of swatting happens, where 262 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: like you have a shipload of people openly talking about 263 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: and talking about bad things happening to a targeted person, 264 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: and then some of those people do swattings. Right, there's 265 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: no evidence of that, And the way in which it 266 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: seems like the bulk of these have gone doesn't seem 267 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: like the way it would happen if you were just 268 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: kind of targeting someone in a public area and hoping 269 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: that enough people made the decision independently to make these calls. Um. 270 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: There's my other thought too, that you know, it's sort 271 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: of a limpse of TikTok phenomenon, like they're targeting schools 272 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: with you know, woke policies, CRT gender including they're not 273 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: I mean, they get Lynchburg, Virginia, which is Jerry Folwell country. 274 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: There's no demographic or political consistency to the district's being 275 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: targeted well, and the right hasn't picked this up at all. 276 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,719 Speaker 1: I haven't seen any kind of like very no one, 277 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: very few people seem to have at this point. So 278 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: this is just such a h if I were, if 279 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: I were to guess where this is going down, it's 280 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: some some sort of communications platform where people have a 281 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: degree of privacy. Um. And I don't know, if it's 282 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: not testing the fences, which at this point it seems 283 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: too widespread to be, then it may just be kind 284 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: of pure. I mean, one thing that occurs to me 285 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: is just like there's the pure accelerationist of value of 286 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: of setting up this wave and hoping that that the 287 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: copycat effect will just keep it going for a significant 288 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: period of time, of shutting down dozens of schools around 289 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: the country, of traumatizing kids, of continually making those schools 290 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: roll the dice. Because anytime you have a cop with 291 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: an a R bust into a fucking school, hyped up 292 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: thinking there's a shooting, there's a chance someone's going to 293 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: get shot, right, So there's and that's that's I mean, 294 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: there have been deaths from swattings, and that was that 295 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: was But so it happened here two days in a 296 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: row on Tuesday, happened in our middle school. And so 297 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: like the second time they responded, they didn't respond. Is 298 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: hot and heavy. Uh. Yeah, anytime you get you know, 299 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: cops charging into a scenario where they think they might 300 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: get to or have to, depending on how you feel 301 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: about it, use their guns, the risk of someone being 302 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: shot by accident is pastronomical. Yeah, And I honestly, I'm 303 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: kind of shocked that has it happened, especially in the 304 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: cases where you know, the caller gives a specific suspect 305 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: description that you know puts anybody who vaguely meets that 306 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: description at great risk. But I think this is just 307 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: you know, joker mode nihilism. Yeah, that's that is if 308 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: I were to like make a raw irresponsible like public guests. Um, 309 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: not that I don't think this is actually that irresponsible, 310 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: but like we just don't know. But that's that's what 311 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: this that's the the mo this fits best so far 312 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: is kind of raw. I want to disrupt the system, 313 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: I want to scare people, and I want to do 314 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: so in a way. That's the problem with a mass 315 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: shooting from the perspect of someone like this is that 316 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna die or get arrested doing it, right, That's 317 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: the way all of them end, And so that limits 318 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: the number of people who are going to be inspired 319 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: to carry out a mass shooting. If you can show that, yeah, 320 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: people can can call in dozens of these fake reports 321 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: and some of them you know, we're going to end violently, Uh, 322 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: then maybe a bunch more people are willing to do that, 323 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: and the overall level of disruption and chaos that you 324 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: cause is substantially higher. Right, So it's a relatively low 325 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: threshold for involvement. Right, you don't have to be ready 326 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: to die and maybe you won't get caught. Although I 327 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: think because especially in the Minnesota case, they're going to 328 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: catch somebody. Governor Tim Waltz's son goes to man Cato 329 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: High School. No, I mean you you you upset the 330 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: governor's son, You're gonna get Yeah, and you did it 331 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,239 Speaker 1: all from a single like and I have to suspect 332 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: the FBI is looking at this. They never I mean, 333 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: it's policy, they're never going to confirm that until the 334 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: point at which like it becomes there's it's a big 335 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: enough story that they kind of have to for pr reasons. 336 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: But I would be surprised if there was not an 337 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: investigation at the moment. Every couple of days when one 338 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: of these regional stories comes out, you know, they'll quote 339 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: the local FBI field officing, you know, we're working with 340 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: local authorities to help them investigate. But the FBI is 341 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 1: absolutely investigating this nationwide. There's no chance that they're not. Yeah, 342 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: it's it's too it's too clear of a pattern. And 343 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: it's not unprecedented, right that a couple of years ago 344 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: there was that Adam Often swatting ring that those guys 345 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: did go to prison for. So it doesn't have to 346 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: be a lot of guys. This could just be a 347 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: couple of people. So you know, we're saying we're not 348 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: seeing this leak out anywhere. It's not being disgust anywhere. 349 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: It could just be you know, three or four guys. 350 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: It could be for four people in a discord with 351 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,479 Speaker 1: some like auto dialing apps that they've they've either coded, 352 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: are found somewhere on the internet. Um, which if they 353 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: if they are using some sort of like program to 354 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: do this, that's meant for I don't know, sketchy uh 355 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: salesman or whatever, there's a decent chance that's what brings 356 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: them down, um because all of that ship has terrible security, 357 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: but um so does discord. I don't know, Like I, 358 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see what happens here. I think 359 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: one of the questions for from the perspective certainly of 360 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: like people listening, what can be done here? Well, at 361 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: a local level, one thing people can fight for and 362 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: advocate for specialty, especially if you're involved in local government, 363 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: is like I would like to know every year how 364 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: many times the police go to a school over a 365 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: false report of a shooting? Right? How many times are 366 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: classrooms being cleared? How many times are the cops showing 367 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: up for this? Um? Because that's important information and and 368 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: that also should taylor the way the police are being 369 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: trained for this and the ways like the there's a 370 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: number of things that you should be doing. If you know, hey, 371 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: we had no mass shootings this year, but the cops 372 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: showed up with guns drawn forty five times, right, that 373 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 1: that should inform the way you do things in the 374 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: future in order to minimize the trauma these kids go through. 375 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: That's one thing that is an immediate thing people can 376 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: take and that you can do. People can add the 377 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: cat for locally. But it's I mean, it's a tough 378 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: line here, right because you know, I think every district 379 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: is really eager not to be the next Ubal Day 380 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: police of course, so showing up hot and heavy, they're 381 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: going right in there, you knocking down doors and pointing 382 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: guns and kids. You know that the video that came 383 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: out from that classroom in Houston, they frisked several children 384 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: at gunpoint. I'm not sure why that they were sitting 385 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: at their desks, they were obviously not committing a mass shooting. 386 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: Or in Denver on Monday, they evacuated the whole school 387 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: onto the football field with their hands in the air, 388 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: like was not necessarily horror, right, and you know, even 389 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: even as a police abolitionist and recognize that in the 390 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: system in which we currently live, there is no response 391 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: to a school shooting that does not involve the police. 392 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: That's right where we are. But are they Are they 393 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: doing this smart? Yeah? As a as a rule, I 394 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: think everyone can agree that, given the current realities of 395 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: the world we live in, if a guy is shooting 396 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: up a school or a lady, um, it's good for 397 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: people with guns to come and stop them, and that 398 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: that's realistically going to be the police in our current system. 399 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean we can't be like, well, okay, 400 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: they came up fifty times falsely and traumatized all these 401 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: kids by pointing guns at them on the fucking football field. 402 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: We should change the way in which they're responding to 403 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: these like that should be the default. These are things 404 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: people can lobby for at a local level that will 405 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: have an impact on at least the quality of life 406 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: for kids in the schools and for parents you know, 407 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: like you know you all day there was the parent 408 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: who you know slipped around the police line and got 409 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: into the school and got her kid yesterday, no, two days, 410 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: two days ago, in San Antonio, they had a you know, 411 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: a hoax call. Somebody called in swatch showed up, uh, 412 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: and parents showed up because they got the emergency alert text. 413 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: So the parking lot fills with parents. A father punched 414 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: through a window, cut his arm up, and was hand looked, tackled, 415 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: and handcuffed by the police because I just wanted this 416 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: fucking kid. Of course this is going to keep playing 417 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: out or here on Tuesday at the middle school, you know, 418 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 1: I was listening to my scanner. After the you know, 419 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: the cleared buildings, the police left, and then a call 420 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: came over the scanner and said, the school's requesting that 421 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: the police come back to handle the parents because parents 422 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: are angry. Of course they are. So how do we 423 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: how do we navigate this tension of yes, we need 424 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: police to respond if there is a school shooting, But 425 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: how do we as community communities navigate this space where 426 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: we also don't want them to point guns at our kids. 427 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: We don't we don't have a lot of trust and 428 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: communication with our police department. So I don't know if 429 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: that's a space we can navigate. This is a problem 430 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: that has to be adapted to. Right there is the potential. 431 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: You have this problem, right, which is that it is 432 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: apparently easy to weaponize the reporting system for mass shootings. 433 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: The problem that's compounded by the fact that you can't 434 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: ignore the risk of a mass shooting because kids can die, 435 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: people will get killed if you are wrong about that. 436 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: At the same time, it is unreasonable to say that 437 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: every single time one of these reports happens, if the 438 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: ratio is hundreds of false reports to one actual shooting, 439 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: every time it happens, you go and you stick guns 440 00:21:58,119 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: in the face of a bunch of kids, and you 441 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: trauma to as all these parents who wind up going 442 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: crazy for understandable reasons. There are a way, there are 443 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: structures that can be built into the system to mitigate 444 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: those harms at least, and I think that is, you know, 445 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: from the perspective of who is doing this and how 446 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: can they be stopped? That is a question that will 447 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: be answered either by law enforcement or by independent researchers. 448 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: But but that's that's a research problem, right, That's a 449 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: cracking case problem. My fear is that the response to 450 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: this will be um putting more cops in schools. Right, 451 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: it's you know, the company school doesn't stop the school shooting. 452 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: We know that from you know, empirical evidence, or maybe 453 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: in several of these cases, you know the news story says, 454 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: you know, dispatch contact of the school resource officers who said, no, 455 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: I don't see anything. So is the solution going to 456 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: be put a guy in there who can look Yeah, 457 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: and he's not gonna do anything, but he's gonna Charlottsville, 458 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: the city of Charlesville took ours, took school resource officers 459 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: out of schools last year, two years ago. Time scaped now. 460 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: So my my fear is that even people who a 461 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: plauded that decision will at this point say, maybe we 462 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: should put them back. Maybe we need a guy in 463 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: there with a direct line to dispatch. Yeah, and I 464 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: and maybe we do. I don't don't think they need 465 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: to have It needs to be a man with a 466 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: gun who has the ability to arrest children, right having 467 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: having a first responder on scene at every school who 468 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: can be the yes, there actually is a shooting or 469 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: no there's not. Maybe a se medical training is perhaps 470 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: a different thing that could happen, rather than let's put 471 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: more armed men in schools. Right like that. That's not 472 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 1: an inherently unreasonable proposition, but I don't know. I don't 473 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: know that police are going to be receptive to the 474 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: idea of let's ask some questions first, right, because as 475 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: I was listening to the scanner again, you know, I 476 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: have the most information about the two incidents is that 477 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: were in my neighborhood. Um, I was listening to the 478 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: scanner on Tuesday, and it takes time for cops to 479 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: arrive at a scene, even in a relatively small town. 480 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: By the time they had dispatched this response to the scene, 481 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: they had already spoken to the principle over the phone. 482 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: They already knew this was not true. We'll see. And 483 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: there's another solve problem because if you're if you're having 484 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: guys with guns still show up because it's policy. When 485 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: someone at the school has said no, there's not a shooting, 486 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: well that's again, that is a problem that can be 487 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: altered or that can be fixed to mitigate harm. That 488 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: seems pretty simple, which is be like, well, maybe if 489 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: somebody at this, maybe if the school's principle says no, 490 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: nothing is happening here, you don't send the gun guys. 491 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: Maybe you still send a squad car to check it 492 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: out for die hard purposes. I'm sure, we all remember 493 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: what that movie has to say about these kinds of problems. 494 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: But um, you know, I I there's a lot that 495 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: can be done with the information that this is a problem, 496 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: And to a certain extent, I think I'm hopeful that 497 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: once this kind of blows up, and I'm certain this well, 498 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: I'm certain that maybe even by the time this launches, 499 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: there will be some big national stories about this, because 500 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: this is this is a really substantial problem. Very obviously 501 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: is a substantial problem. Um. I hope that one of 502 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: the things that does is perhaps lead to the authorities 503 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: taking swatting and threats of swatting and communities that engage 504 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: in swatting much more seriously, because by god, they have 505 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: not so far, and it's not the laws about it 506 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 1: are not super consistent state to state that you know, 507 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: there has been some attempts on the federal level to 508 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: make you know, blanket legislation about this specific because you know, 509 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: it's it's illegal to make a false report to the police, 510 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: it's illegal to make you know, a false nine one 511 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: one call, but to specifically and intentionally weaponize an armed 512 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 1: police response because you hope it will hurt someone. In 513 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: most states, isn't its own crime, right, Like, and I 514 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: think in California they have specific legislation that, like you 515 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: can be charred, like financially responsible for whatever it costs 516 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: to have that response. But like, there's not uniform agreement 517 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: that this is a separate crime. This is a separate 518 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,239 Speaker 1: harm that should be punished in a specific way. And 519 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: maybe maybe we'll get that out of this. I don't 520 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: know that that solves it, but again it will Like 521 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: you were saying that this is a lower barrier to 522 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: entry cry, but if you up the punishment, maybe the 523 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: threshold to decide to do it goes up. Yeah. Yeah, Again, 524 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: I think there's there's a variety of things that can 525 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: be done now that we know this is a problem. 526 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 1: And one of the reasons why I think this is 527 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: important for us to cover on a show like this 528 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,959 Speaker 1: is a lot of these are problems that can at 529 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: least be mitigated at the local level. Right, You do 530 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: have power if you're involving yourself in local politics to 531 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: do things like advocate for a system in which you 532 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: track how often this is happening, to do things like 533 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: advocate for changes in how the school handles this sort 534 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: of thing like that is a thing that you that 535 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: people can handle locally, um, and that is you'll get 536 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: a faster response handling it locally as well than you 537 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: will trying to advocate for some sort of big national 538 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 1: swatting law and you're gonna get You're going to get 539 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: faster and better results changing local departmental policy than you 540 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: will getting any law that changes how the police be 541 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: highly unlikely. Yeah, and so I I think this is important. 542 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,479 Speaker 1: I think it's important for people to win gauge with 543 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: this from the perspective of, like, we don't know why 544 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,719 Speaker 1: this is happening or who is doing it yet, and 545 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: it maybe a while before I'm certain we will find 546 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: out at some point these people will get caught, but um, 547 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: it almost doesn't matter because the system is so easy 548 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: to weaponize. The solution is to try to find ways 549 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: to make it less harmful without reducing the ability of 550 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: people with guns to show up if they need to 551 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: to stop someone who's murdering kids. Right, those are the 552 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: two things that need to be done, not reduced the 553 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: efficacy of the system, which is not very good to 554 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: be honest at stopping mass shootings. And and it's pissport 555 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: at that. So it would be hard to make it worse. 556 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: I will say when people talk about, well, what happens 557 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: if they well, they're bad at it now. They're terrible 558 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,959 Speaker 1: at it now. So it's not like I'm not worried 559 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: about making a change to like mitigate the response of swattings, 560 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: in this instance, harming kids, because as it is, the 561 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: system almost never saves them when there is an actual 562 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: mass shooting. So simple reducing the amount of time that 563 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: kids have cops pull guns on them and these false reports, Um, 564 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: that's more of a priority to me than anything else. Um. Yeah, 565 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: when when we're talking about the issue of swatting, and 566 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: I think there again, there's just there's things that can 567 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: be done there Molly, is there anything else you wanted 568 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: to get to on this on this subject? No, I 569 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,719 Speaker 1: think that covers it. I just this is still happening. 570 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: It's happening today like it's it is still ongoing. This 571 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: phenomenon is ongoing, and I think it will continue to 572 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 1: build until it hits a breaking point. Like you said, 573 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: I definitely think some of these people will be caught, 574 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: but I don't know what that changes, right, Like, once 575 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: this breaks containment, once people see that this is a 576 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: thing that they could do. Yeah, yeah, do we do 577 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: we deal with a wave of this before it gets 578 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: under control that gets even bigger or is that what's 579 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: actually happening right now? I don't know. And does this 580 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: when does this, I don't know, desensitize people to the 581 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: idea of these threats. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. 582 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: But no kids get shot. I hope no kids get shot. 583 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: If you're a journalist and you're trying to you are 584 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: trying to report on this in some sort of concerted way. Uh, 585 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: you can find Molly on Twitter a socialist stuck mom, 586 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: she's done, she's reading most of your article for you. 587 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: You can stee like. But I think there are journalists 588 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: listening to this. I think it's important to tell them 589 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: ask the right questions right, like when you're you know, 590 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: when you're getting your three questions into the press conference 591 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: with the local shriff's office, ask specifically, where did the 592 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: call come in? What number was dialed by the caller? Right? 593 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: Because I don't think these are nine one one calls. 594 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: I think people are using nine when one in shorthand, 595 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: So asked where the call came from, the substance of 596 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: the call because I think I imagine that some of 597 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: these calls are verbatim and we just don't know that. 598 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: I think some of them are probably identical, and we 599 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: just don't have any way of It's hard to connect 600 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: the dots when the police won't tell us. So I 601 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: think if you know, if journalists are listening, ask more 602 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: questions than you got in the press release, that's critical 603 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,479 Speaker 1: because if there were if there was a if there 604 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: was a Virginia State like repository where every time we 605 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: get a false swatting attempt against the school, we report 606 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: when it came in, who was called, and what was 607 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: said over the call, right, Um, all of which are 608 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: things that they could pretty easily get because this ship 609 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: is always recorded. Um. I don't know that that's true, though, 610 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: and that's that's another sort of tactical nine one one calls. 611 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: But if you call the front desk at the police station, 612 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: it probably isn't. That is a fucking good point, um. 613 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: In any case, that is another thing that could be 614 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: dealt with, because then you would at least be able 615 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: to see, Oh, there's forty swatting attempts in the state 616 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: in the last five days, and thirty eight of them. 617 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: It was the exact same script. There's probably a single 618 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: source of this that we should be like looking at, um, 619 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: and that can help not just law enforcement who's generally 620 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: bad at these sort of investigations, but people like you 621 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,479 Speaker 1: who are good at these sort of investigation aations and 622 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: can maybe then start doing keyword searches and figure out 623 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,479 Speaker 1: where the funk this stuff is originating from, if it's 624 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: anywhere on the semi open internet. Um. Again, things, there's 625 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: a lot to be done to respond to this problem 626 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: that that doesn't start with like throwing more cops at 627 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: it or or or whatever. Like. There's there's a number 628 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: of different problems that this is revealed, um, so hopefully 629 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: those get solved anyway, Molly, you got anything else to 630 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: plug before we go? Oh, defund your local police department, 631 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: subscribe your local newspaper. Sure, um, and uh yeah, if 632 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: if you're at a school right now, good good luck 633 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: those kids. Yeah, they are really the kids these days 634 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: are dealing with a lot. Um. I'm I'm I'm more 635 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: grateful every year that my my childhood was as uneventful 636 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: as it was, because boy, howdy, is it rough to 637 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,959 Speaker 1: be a student today. And they still have to take 638 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: their tests and tests. Yeah, they have to go to school. 639 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: They got to read The Great Gatsby while this is 640 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: going on. Unbelievable. Um, sorry kids, it's it's it's it 641 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: could happen here. The podcast that we open sometimes, yes, 642 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: this is, this is this is, this is how we 643 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: do this job. Um it is. It is also a 644 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: podcast that is very very often about strikes, and someone's 645 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: presently this is this is an episode that is not 646 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: about the Giant rail strike that everyone was focused on 647 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: that didn't happen. Um. And the reason it's not about Okay, 648 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's not about that because it didn't happen. 649 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: But the other reason it's not about that is that 650 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: there was another giant strike that was really I think 651 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: ignored by both sort of the media and the people 652 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: who normally would be following strikes that was happening at 653 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: about the same time. And that is a massive fift 654 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: person nurses strike up up up in Wisconsin. And to 655 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: talk with us about that, Wait, did I say that Minnesota? 656 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: Did I? Did I confuse Wisconsin and Minnesota? Oh my god, 657 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: I'd always do this. They did treat a strike, you are, yeah, 658 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: I don't. There's some part of my brain that never 659 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: quite like figured out which one was Wisconsin which one 660 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: was Minnesota, and it just like flips them in my mind. 661 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: They're just like they're just the state that's sort of 662 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: over there from Illinois, which I don't I don't really 663 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: have an excuse because like I'm from here, like i've 664 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: I've I've lived not in the Midwest for like six 665 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: months now. Wow, okay, like a year of my life 666 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: when I was like unbelievably small child. Ye, but yeah, 667 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: it is. It is. Yeah, there's been only strikes in Minnesota. 668 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: And with me to talk about the strikes that are 669 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: not happening in Wisconsin is Danielle, who is a nurse 670 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: at Methodist Hospital and a steward for the Minnesota Nurses Association. Danielle, 671 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Thank you, thank you for having me. Yeah, 672 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for coming on. Um. Okay, so 673 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: I guess the first thing that I wanted to talk 674 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: about is the kind of strike that you all were doing, 675 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: because this is something that I've seen a lot with 676 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: nurses strikes, but I don't think people who aren't in 677 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: nurses unions like talking about very much, which is basically 678 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: doing a three day strike or doing a strike that's 679 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: for for for a set number of days, but it's 680 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: not indefinite. UM. And I wanted to ask about that 681 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: specifically as a tactic a bit. Yeah. Absolutely, UM, it's 682 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: not uncommon in the healthcare sector at all to do 683 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: one day, two day, three day, five day, seven day strikes. UM. 684 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 1: We usually leave like an open ended strike for kind 685 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: of a lasted effort um to get the employer's attention. UM. 686 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: So there's a lot to coordinate to compensate for a 687 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: three day strike. UM. It affects everyone's job at the 688 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: hospital and then after three days they have to flip 689 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: everything back. UM. That UM, that type of disruption in 690 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: capital is UM has been really effective um across the nation. 691 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: So we're hoping that they hear us loud and proud, 692 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,439 Speaker 1: but it's challenging. They have a lot of money. Yeah. Yeah, 693 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: And I think from from what I've talked to other 694 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: nurses about this strike and also other people have done 695 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,479 Speaker 1: nurses strikes, is that like there's like a huge pool 696 00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 1: of scabs, which makes me really hard And is it 697 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: is it the case that part of the reason why 698 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,359 Speaker 1: you do one of these limited strikes is that it's 699 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: it's a lot harder for them to coordinate, like bringing 700 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: in scas for limited amount of time that it would 701 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: be for like hiring them full time for an indefinite strike. Yeah, exactly, 702 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: so travel nurses, I mean they are those strike nurses 703 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: come in strictly just for those three days. They are 704 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: oriented for you know, a few hours prior to starting 705 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 1: at seven am on Monday. UM, so there's not a 706 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: lot of time to learn the entire facility. And since 707 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: we are gone, the only ones left to orientate our 708 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: managers or any nurses that have to stay for whatever reason. 709 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: We really didn't have money at all across the line. UM. 710 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: So it just compromises UM patient safety and care in general. Yeah. Yeah, 711 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 1: there's no way to create teamwork with just three days 712 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: of your nurses. UM. So just um the hospital is 713 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: just more accountable for system airs. Um. They try to 714 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 1: keep those issues as internal as possible and not disclose 715 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 1: them to the public. But there's a lot that happened, 716 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 1: you know. They it's funny all the media reports are 717 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 1: like or we're just like straight up printing press releases 718 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,399 Speaker 1: being like there's been no internal disruptions. Stomach, I don't 719 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 1: believe that, Like there's no way, there's like it's just 720 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: not true. They are just lying, so lying, and to 721 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 1: prepare for us to go and strike. I mean, they 722 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 1: try their hardest to discharge as many patients as possible 723 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 1: Sunday prior to our strike, to empty out hospitals. The 724 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: thing is like, you can't just you're not a magician. 725 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: You can't make sick people go away. Um. There was 726 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,399 Speaker 1: a lot of readmissions because of that. You're discharging people 727 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: too quickly. Um. I know what the children's hospitals they 728 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:08,839 Speaker 1: actually um like shuttled forty four children out to other 729 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:15,360 Speaker 1: surrounding hospitals two because they couldn't get enough travelers to work. 730 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: You can't get fifteen thousands travelers. So that's what they 731 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: did to try to undermine us. It's a lot of 732 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: moving things around, and I am hoping the public there's 733 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: an uproar with the public about this. That's I don't 734 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: know who's paying for you know, the cost of shipping 735 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: kids to different hospitals. Yeah, I assume the hospital is 736 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: not going to pay for it. Yeah, God, So yeah, 737 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: I guess we should move into like how we got 738 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: to the point where fifteen thousand nurses or went on strike, 739 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: which I think, I mean, certainly the largest nurses strike 740 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,280 Speaker 1: like in the in the private stactor I can remember, 741 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: Like it's I think I think it's one of the 742 00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: largest the US ever had. Yeah, yeah it is. Yeah. 743 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: Can we talk about like I get and this this 744 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: is there's also sort of a broader question here about 745 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: like what the US healthcare system looks like in here 746 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 1: two of this plague in the sector that's already been 747 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 1: sort of just decimated by like incredibly veno profit seeking, 748 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: greedy corporations. Yeah yeah, so what what what? What? What 749 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 1: would have been the conditions that have been leading up 750 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 1: to this strike that got this many people off of 751 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:34,839 Speaker 1: the line. Um, I mean our health care system has 752 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: been unstable, um for quite some time. Hospitals have been 753 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 1: consolidating so much, like closing clinics and facilities, um, just 754 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: to maximize profit. It's um like there their whole goal 755 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,319 Speaker 1: is kind of like how airlines overbooked for flights, they 756 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: create like an artificial hospital that's shortage in order to 757 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: maximize profit. So they've been doing that for a year 758 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: and then also just buying up little hospitals to control 759 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: the market more. Um, They've also are starting their own 760 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: insurance companies just to double dip into communities wallets. So 761 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: that's been going on prior to the pandemic. Pandemic hit, 762 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 1: they were not ready. They didn't have enough PPE at all, 763 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: because it's not there's no UM, it's not financially incentivized 764 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: to have extra pp on and that's their logic. I 765 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: remember in the beginning of the pandemic, like my aunt 766 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: and uncle work for hospital, and like we were trying 767 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 1: to get the masks and like we wound up like 768 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: we were like doing contracts with like like my like 769 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: literally my family in China was like I know a 770 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 1: guy who knows a guy who could like who who 771 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,280 Speaker 1: like has a mass manufacturing thing. It was o god, 772 00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: it was so grim. It was Yeah, it was a mess, 773 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: and we didn't have enough PPU. We had to reuse 774 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 1: stuff instantly UM. And we were never compensated for it 775 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: either UM. We just were forced to work harder and 776 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: longer UM for the same pay. And now hospitals are 777 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,720 Speaker 1: trying to normalize that staffing UM shortage and say, well 778 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: that's it, that's you know, so you just have to 779 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: work with what we're giving you. Um in this shortage 780 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: is just it's causing unnecessary medical errors and deaths, and 781 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 1: it's just a disservice to our community. Yeah, it's going 782 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 1: kind of down a dark path. So I think all 783 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: of that During the pandemic, hospitals really showed their true colors. 784 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: And I know the nurses really realized that the hospital 785 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 1: is only there too, just like fat in their wallets. 786 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 1: They're not there for us, They're not The goal is 787 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: to make us all leave the bedside and just outsource 788 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,439 Speaker 1: all of their employees. You would escape all liabilities if 789 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: you have all travelers in place, there's um, there's no 790 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: real incentive to hold the hospital accountable for institutional failures. 791 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,759 Speaker 1: Can you explain what travelers are for the audience people 792 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 1: who may not know? Oh? Yeah, absolutely. UM. So travel 793 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:31,840 Speaker 1: nurses come across her like across the entire um nation, 794 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: and they are contracted through travel companies that work with hospitals. UM. 795 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 1: So if there's a nursing shortage, UM, there will be 796 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,839 Speaker 1: open positions to apply for those contract positions that are 797 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,799 Speaker 1: like short terms, so either like a four week six week, 798 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 1: or if it's like a strike, contract would be like 799 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 1: three days, seven days, whatever. It might be UM, and 800 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: they're paid handsomely. I know for our three days strike, 801 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 1: those travel nurses, those strike nurses specifically for three days, 802 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:14,839 Speaker 1: they ten k each for three days, and they didn't 803 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: even know the facility. Some of them never even worked 804 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: in a hospital. I don't I don't understand the requirements. Um. 805 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 1: It's confusing. How Yeah, And I'm not trying to demonize 806 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,360 Speaker 1: travel nurses in any sort of way. There's amazing travel nurses. 807 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,239 Speaker 1: I've worked with some. They're great people, but they're UM. 808 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 1: It just undermines um, like our profession. Like it's it's 809 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: hard to improve our profession when you have people that 810 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: can replace you. Um, there's no real change we can make. 811 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,719 Speaker 1: It's just we're fighting each other. And travel nurses are 812 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 1: independent contractors. Yeah, exactly, So the hospital doesn't pay them benefits. Um, 813 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 1: they don't vacation, they don't call in six Um. They 814 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,400 Speaker 1: save the employer a lot of money. UM because they 815 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 1: don't have to like provide any hospital resources such as 816 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 1: like employee health or workers compensation or anything like that. 817 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 1: And they just have that six week contract that they 818 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 1: focus on and they they're definitely paid their worth. There's 819 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: less liability on the hospital too. If there's any medical errors, 820 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 1: it's easier to like blame the travel nurse instead of 821 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 1: blaming like institutional failures. Um, travel nurses, they just they 822 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 1: can't unionize. There's just not a way. There's not like 823 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: a common area for them to come together and yeah, 824 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: create a union. So that's the hospitals like that. Um. 825 00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 1: Also when you have more travel nurses that hospital, that's 826 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: less funding that can go to our union. So like 827 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: we pay union dues every month, UM, and if hospitals 828 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,240 Speaker 1: are hiring more travel nurses, our union gets less funny, 829 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 1: less power. Sadly, Okay, do you do? You do? You 830 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,880 Speaker 1: know who else wants everyone to work as contract workers 831 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: so they can't unionize. Ever, it's it's the products and 832 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:32,440 Speaker 1: services that support the show. And we're back. So all right, 833 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,919 Speaker 1: I guess moving on from that, well, okay, I guess 834 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,320 Speaker 1: I guess before we fully move on to talking about 835 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,120 Speaker 1: how the striker was sort of organized, UM, can we 836 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,399 Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about what staffing shortages looks 837 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,319 Speaker 1: like and what what the effect that has on patients is? 838 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,320 Speaker 1: Because I think people like I think people this is 839 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,200 Speaker 1: something people like kind of conceptually understand but don't like 840 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,800 Speaker 1: viscerally get what it means to have a staffing shortage 841 00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 1: in a hospital mhm h UM. So with inadequate nursing 842 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:12,840 Speaker 1: UM staffing levels by experienced nurses, UM, there's an increased 843 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:20,080 Speaker 1: rate of patient falls, infections, medical errors UM, increase in deaths, 844 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:27,400 Speaker 1: increase in pressure ulcers UM, increase in readmission rates. So 845 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 1: having to go back to the hospital because UM, you 846 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: weren't given like high quality care at the hospital. It 847 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,400 Speaker 1: is just kind of mediocre if nurses are kind of 848 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,040 Speaker 1: strapped with time and I have to divide their attention 849 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 1: between too many patients. So I don't know if you 850 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: actually are legally allowed to say this, but like how 851 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,520 Speaker 1: many patients like per day roughly are like you are, 852 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:57,160 Speaker 1: like you are treating patients are retreating the day um 853 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:03,080 Speaker 1: Our hospital at Methodist has a out four beds and 854 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:08,279 Speaker 1: we've been at capacity so above a hundred percent, And 855 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:09,920 Speaker 1: you're probably wondering, well, how do you get above a 856 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:17,200 Speaker 1: dent um? The e er will board patients, meaning a 857 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,040 Speaker 1: patient will stay on a cart and they'll be in 858 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,200 Speaker 1: a hallway and always will be lined up with patients 859 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,480 Speaker 1: that are just waiting for other patients and other units 860 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:33,480 Speaker 1: to be discharged so they can take that bed. UM, 861 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,480 Speaker 1: so they can wait in the e R for up 862 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,319 Speaker 1: to two to three days just waiting to be like 863 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:45,359 Speaker 1: really admitted. UM. So we've been at capacity for a 864 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:51,960 Speaker 1: long time, and that is that is purposely done to 865 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:57,839 Speaker 1: maximize profit, just because of they've been consolidating, closing other 866 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:03,160 Speaker 1: hospitals UM and other neighborhoods. Like they're like they're they're 867 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,399 Speaker 1: charging all those people who are just like laying there 868 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:10,280 Speaker 1: in a hallway right absolutely, or even UM if people 869 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,280 Speaker 1: come in for surgery and they have to after surgery, 870 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,080 Speaker 1: they go to recovery. They can sit in recovery for 871 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 1: up to eight hours, which normally after surgery you only 872 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,440 Speaker 1: need to be there like a half hour to an 873 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,319 Speaker 1: hour kind of depending on how you will wake up 874 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,319 Speaker 1: from anesthesia, and then you go to your room. But 875 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,360 Speaker 1: we are just holding them in recovery because we're waiting 876 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,360 Speaker 1: on beds and rooms to be available. Because the hospital 877 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:41,160 Speaker 1: does not plan an advance at all. That's not cost effective. Yeah. Well, 878 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,719 Speaker 1: I mean it's funny because it's like it's it really 879 00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,080 Speaker 1: seems it's sort of one of those things where it's 880 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,600 Speaker 1: like literally this entire process would be enormously less expensive 881 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 1: if you hired like four more people and didn't close 882 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,799 Speaker 1: every hospital around you. But like, you know, it's it's 883 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,279 Speaker 1: it's not it's not about efficiency. It's about like making 884 00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,480 Speaker 1: sure you have as many dying people like sitting in 885 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,799 Speaker 1: a hallway so you can charge them more. It's like exactly, 886 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:12,600 Speaker 1: it's people are profitable, not healthy people. Yeah, m hmm, yeah, 887 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,799 Speaker 1: I mean it's really it's like there's just something like 888 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,640 Speaker 1: sort of particularly venal and disgusting about here. It's like, 889 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's all of the same, like, Okay, 890 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,080 Speaker 1: well we we've we've we've built up a monopoly, and 891 00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 1: we're using your monopoly to force everyone to user services. 892 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,720 Speaker 1: And then we're you know, we're we're using contract workers 893 00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,359 Speaker 1: to a place to people who would normally do the job. 894 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,440 Speaker 1: But it's like, well, it's with health care, and it's 895 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,760 Speaker 1: like instead of just like every TV show being awful, 896 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,680 Speaker 1: it's here's a bunch of people who are getting sick 897 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,799 Speaker 1: and dying because we just don't have enough nurses exactly. 898 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,080 Speaker 1: And then the only thing the hospitals do, um is 899 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,480 Speaker 1: um they have all the managers go around and tell 900 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,440 Speaker 1: nurses okay, today we gotta flex up. They'll use terminology 901 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,239 Speaker 1: like that that sounds like empowering and like strong man, 902 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,640 Speaker 1: we've gotta flex up today, meaning we want you to 903 00:49:54,719 --> 00:50:01,440 Speaker 1: take more patients than you like safely can meeting. Like 904 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,040 Speaker 1: if you're if you work on a medical surgical unit, 905 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,880 Speaker 1: it's usually like fortified patients is what's recommended for one 906 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,520 Speaker 1: nurse to have for twelve hours. They'll ask you to 907 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 1: take six or seven Jesus, and they'll call it flexing up, 908 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,600 Speaker 1: and they're like, well, yeah, but Boble, there's flex up. 909 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,160 Speaker 1: Why aren't you flexing up? And it's just it's that 910 00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:26,520 Speaker 1: type of like corporate speak and empowerment language um that 911 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:31,879 Speaker 1: forces us to risk our license. Yeah, and I think 912 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,080 Speaker 1: one of the consequences of this that, I mean, it's 913 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,520 Speaker 1: really obvious if you've been following sector at all, is 914 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,960 Speaker 1: that Okay, Well, it turns out if you if you 915 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,640 Speaker 1: work a bunch of people like basically to death and 916 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,279 Speaker 1: you don't give them a free sources and you're making 917 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,960 Speaker 1: them take too many patients, it's that people just start quitting. 918 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,920 Speaker 1: And yeah, can you talk a bit about sort of 919 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,280 Speaker 1: the shortage that's been happening because of that too, Because 920 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,640 Speaker 1: that's I think a really bleak like just in the 921 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,319 Speaker 1: long term too. It's just, uh, I don't know, like 922 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,280 Speaker 1: if you want to have an even vaguely functioning society, 923 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,439 Speaker 1: the fact that you can't keep people as nurses, yeah, 924 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:18,239 Speaker 1: really bad. Absolutely. Yeah. Pandemic hit and nurses realize that 925 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,000 Speaker 1: they're just they're not being paid their worth. There's travel 926 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,359 Speaker 1: jobs that are you can make two under grant a year, 927 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,640 Speaker 1: three under grand a year, um, just doing travel nursing. 928 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,279 Speaker 1: And then they're kind of sold on the idea that 929 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:36,160 Speaker 1: you own your schedule and you can just kind of 930 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,200 Speaker 1: plan around vacations and other times off you need, and 931 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,720 Speaker 1: you just kind of book like a four week stint 932 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:46,200 Speaker 1: at a hospital. If you don't like it, you can leave. Um. 933 00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,480 Speaker 1: So they kind of just sell our jobs back to us. 934 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:54,360 Speaker 1: But it's not good healthcare. Yeah, it's just it's like 935 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,719 Speaker 1: you know, I've talked about this with like like people 936 00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,799 Speaker 1: who work at Starbucks, for example, where it's like, well, okay, 937 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,600 Speaker 1: if if you're just constant moving people around and nobody's 938 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,600 Speaker 1: like actually stays at a place, and you never you 939 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,560 Speaker 1: never build up a community of people who are working 940 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,560 Speaker 1: with like your cares, you know, it's like, Okay, well 941 00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,440 Speaker 1: you're not gonna get good stuff. It's like, yeah, like 942 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:15,719 Speaker 1: this is like like this is people's lives. Yeah exactly. 943 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,960 Speaker 1: And those um travel travel nurses, I mean, their their 944 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,120 Speaker 1: goals are usually like financial freedom, like all of our 945 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,359 Speaker 1: goals um so, and their goals are always short term. 946 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:28,960 Speaker 1: You know, all I have to do is just deal 947 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,719 Speaker 1: with this hospital for four weeks and then I'm gone, Well, 948 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,960 Speaker 1: how is that going to fix any institutional area errors? 949 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,120 Speaker 1: I mean, are issues there? I mean, they never will 950 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,560 Speaker 1: hold the employer accountable. Yeah, and especially like it seems 951 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,200 Speaker 1: like like you know, even even even if like everyone 952 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:46,840 Speaker 1: walking like I don't, I don't think you could have 953 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,040 Speaker 1: a functional hospital system if everyone was a travel nurse. 954 00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,319 Speaker 1: But like at some point it feels like there's no 955 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,600 Speaker 1: way for there to be, like there's no way for 956 00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,240 Speaker 1: people to like keep leaving hospitals to go be travel nurses. 957 00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,839 Speaker 1: And also for travel nurse is pay to stay that high? 958 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,640 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Eventually it'll get saturated, and that's kind of 959 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,200 Speaker 1: the goal of hospitals to push all of their UM 960 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:14,279 Speaker 1: permanent employees into traveling. So once that industry becomes saturated, 961 00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,200 Speaker 1: then you can decrease wages, and we'd have to compete 962 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:21,960 Speaker 1: amongst each other, um, for certain jobs with certain hours 963 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,439 Speaker 1: that we need or whatever. We'll just be Um, it's 964 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,960 Speaker 1: just a race to the bottom. We're just gonna Yeah. 965 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:38,080 Speaker 1: Then the employer will control the market. And it's yeah, um, 966 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:42,120 Speaker 1: And I can't imagine twenty years from now, um, trying 967 00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,239 Speaker 1: to be a travel nurse. It's just going to be 968 00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,800 Speaker 1: hard to compete with those younger people that are that 969 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,719 Speaker 1: could work harder and faster and longer than me for 970 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:55,520 Speaker 1: less money. It's not sustainable for a career. Yeah, it's 971 00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,200 Speaker 1: it's just doesn't seem like a good way to do healthcare. 972 00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:06,640 Speaker 1: Like yeah that also oh yeah, m hm, exactly. Yeah. 973 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,000 Speaker 1: So I guess the next thing you want to talk 974 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,520 Speaker 1: about in terms of okay, so how do you make 975 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,240 Speaker 1: this better? Is about Yeah, this is a very large 976 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:19,160 Speaker 1: multi hospital strike across multiple cities, which is really impressive 977 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:20,560 Speaker 1: thing to pull off. And I was warning to talk 978 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:25,319 Speaker 1: about how how that happens. Yeah, you know, the pandemic 979 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,080 Speaker 1: really pushed a lot of nurses to want to fight 980 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,160 Speaker 1: for change. Um. And I think that it all started there. 981 00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,640 Speaker 1: We all started coming together with the same issues and 982 00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:42,000 Speaker 1: problems and um, yeah, finally just started organizing more. Um. 983 00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:46,239 Speaker 1: All these hospitals were currently unionized, but somewhere more like 984 00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:52,240 Speaker 1: involved in their union than others. UM. I'd say now 985 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,360 Speaker 1: a lot of nurses are more involved in the union. 986 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:59,880 Speaker 1: And it's a lot of younger nurses too. UM, just 987 00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,640 Speaker 1: because there people are finally realizing that we are the union. 988 00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,839 Speaker 1: It's not a separate entity from us. It's something that 989 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,680 Speaker 1: we can control and be a part of and be 990 00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:17,400 Speaker 1: able to use it to balance power. UM. So it 991 00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:22,160 Speaker 1: just yeah, it's our only way to fight um, this 992 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,000 Speaker 1: healthcare sector. I also want to ask about what the 993 00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:32,160 Speaker 1: negotiation process has been like, because I mean five months 994 00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,200 Speaker 1: is I mean, you know, okay like that you very 995 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,760 Speaker 1: rarely get fast contracts when you're dealing with bosses. But yeah, 996 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,440 Speaker 1: like the contract negotiation process seems to have been really bad, 997 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:49,680 Speaker 1: even by sort of like regular contract association standards. Yeah, 998 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:56,160 Speaker 1: for sure. I mean our negotiations. We probably have negotiations 999 00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,759 Speaker 1: like once a week, once every other week, um, and 1000 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,840 Speaker 1: the hospital shows up with five of their like elites 1001 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,000 Speaker 1: that just hied behind a corporate lawyer. It was just 1002 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,839 Speaker 1: a union busting lawyer. And all they do is just 1003 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:13,000 Speaker 1: gaslight and demonize us and say, well, the hospital staffing 1004 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,560 Speaker 1: shortage is your fault because you guys are calling in 1005 00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,720 Speaker 1: sick too much or I mean, they just turn everything 1006 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:24,879 Speaker 1: around to blame the nurses. It's very demoralizing. It's um, 1007 00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:29,680 Speaker 1: we feel very just underappreciated, especially with everything we've gone 1008 00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,400 Speaker 1: through with the pandemic, and they've just been dismissive of 1009 00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:36,440 Speaker 1: what we're um, what our needs are and anything, especially 1010 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,080 Speaker 1: like like the like the calling in sick too much, 1011 00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,239 Speaker 1: just like well, yeah, okay, maybe your nurses wouldn't be 1012 00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,000 Speaker 1: getting sick if you were making them work with no people, 1013 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:50,359 Speaker 1: like with PPE a pandemic, like Jesus Christ. Oh, It's 1014 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,360 Speaker 1: just it's just comical the arguments as they have, I know, 1015 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,040 Speaker 1: and like we don't we can't ever get vacation that 1016 00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,040 Speaker 1: we're asking for. I mean, one of one of our 1017 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,040 Speaker 1: proposals is just to get a two week block vacation 1018 00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:08,480 Speaker 1: for every nurse in the hospital, guaranteed every year. Um, 1019 00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,400 Speaker 1: because we don't even get that. We we have a 1020 00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,560 Speaker 1: cap on our vacation hours and then we get denied 1021 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,520 Speaker 1: our vacation constantly, people calling sick because we need a 1022 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:25,360 Speaker 1: day off. We need a break. Yeah, we're out. Like yeah, yeah, 1023 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,280 Speaker 1: Like okay, like if you have vacation hours, but you 1024 00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:31,160 Speaker 1: can't use them, you don't actually have them, Like it's 1025 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:36,320 Speaker 1: not how this works exactly. Yeah, it's it's a benefit 1026 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,520 Speaker 1: they control. Yeah. One of the things that I've been 1027 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,280 Speaker 1: reading about that you've all been fighting for. That it's 1028 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,400 Speaker 1: really interesting to me because it's something I've seen in 1029 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,640 Speaker 1: a few other struggles kind of proposed, but never like 1030 00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:55,240 Speaker 1: really like put in the center of the thing is 1031 00:57:55,320 --> 00:58:02,080 Speaker 1: talking about like all right, like giving giving giving workers 1032 00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:06,440 Speaker 1: a role in staffing decisions. Yeah, yeah, you can you 1033 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,640 Speaker 1: talk about that because that that's really interesting to me. Yeah, 1034 00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:14,160 Speaker 1: absolutely so. Um, I mean, currently we don't own our profession, 1035 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:19,120 Speaker 1: We have no say in staffing ratios. The hospitals decide 1036 00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:28,120 Speaker 1: um what is safe care, and they're doing it absolutely wrong. Um. 1037 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,360 Speaker 1: So we want to be able to take that back 1038 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,240 Speaker 1: and control that and to say this is what we 1039 00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,680 Speaker 1: need because our patients are sicker. Um, they're staying longer 1040 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:44,160 Speaker 1: in the hospital, and in order to provide safer care, 1041 00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:50,560 Speaker 1: we you know, these need this many nurses for this 1042 00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,280 Speaker 1: many patients. Um. So what would that be on like 1043 00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,760 Speaker 1: a sort of like Okay, you like you have a negotiation. 1044 00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,080 Speaker 1: You said, this is this is like the like this 1045 00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:01,920 Speaker 1: is just the ratio is just like a data this 1046 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,320 Speaker 1: is an individual, day to day thing. Um. Yeah, I'm 1047 00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:10,520 Speaker 1: wondering how this would work. Yeah, right now, let's see. 1048 00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,600 Speaker 1: I know we are asking for like a committee that's 1049 00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:18,280 Speaker 1: made up of I mean administrative staff but also nurses. 1050 00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,600 Speaker 1: But we want the nurses to be able to have 1051 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:26,680 Speaker 1: the power to implement policies and change um if they 1052 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:33,360 Speaker 1: think it needs to be done. Yeah. So it would 1053 00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:37,840 Speaker 1: be like a grid review. I think it's nearly as 1054 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,120 Speaker 1: what we're asking for, um, but can be up to 1055 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:46,520 Speaker 1: quarterly if need be. Kind of just depending on what 1056 00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:52,040 Speaker 1: we're hearing from other employees on other units. Um. So. 1057 00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:56,560 Speaker 1: I I think it's kind of like on a a 1058 00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:01,600 Speaker 1: week to week evaluation to see what's working in it's not. Um. 1059 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,439 Speaker 1: I know. The hospital's argument for that is it would 1060 01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:10,360 Speaker 1: take nurses away from the bedside, but in reality that 1061 01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:18,160 Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. In reality, it would retain staff. Yeah. Well, 1062 01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,400 Speaker 1: and also okay, it's like, oh no, we've we've we've 1063 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,560 Speaker 1: taken a nurse away from the bedside for one hour 1064 01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,840 Speaker 1: to go to a committee meeting where they say we 1065 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:31,080 Speaker 1: could put more nurses in and like we watched this 1066 01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:36,120 Speaker 1: committee like made outside of UM like that like those 1067 01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,800 Speaker 1: nurses schedules, and then we also want them to be 1068 01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,880 Speaker 1: paid for their time. Hospital disagrees with all of that. 1069 01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:43,800 Speaker 1: They don't even want to pay nurses for their time 1070 01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:54,160 Speaker 1: to create safe staffing ratios. It's hard. So like the 1071 01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,520 Speaker 1: people that are empowered, they're just a bunch of narcissists, 1072 01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,880 Speaker 1: that's all they are. UM, and that's the only way 1073 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:02,800 Speaker 1: to remain in power is to have no empathy for 1074 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:07,160 Speaker 1: your employees. So that is what we're up against. So 1075 01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,200 Speaker 1: every negotiation, I feel like I'm just arguing with a 1076 01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:17,400 Speaker 1: two year old. Yeah, I mean it really like they 1077 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,040 Speaker 1: really seem like a kind of people who you can 1078 01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,200 Speaker 1: only actually the only language they understand is power, and 1079 01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,000 Speaker 1: like the only way you can get invest them of 1080 01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:28,000 Speaker 1: anything is just like whacking them over the head with it. 1081 01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:36,600 Speaker 1: Which David Graper had this thing about UM. It was 1082 01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:40,080 Speaker 1: it him. I think he had this thing about how 1083 01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:47,360 Speaker 1: like the trying to think of how he actually phrased it. 1084 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,600 Speaker 1: It was basically like, Okay, if if you have a 1085 01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,960 Speaker 1: lot of like if you have like a large amount 1086 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,680 Speaker 1: of actual physical power over someone, you don't need to 1087 01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,600 Speaker 1: like use eloquent arguments at all. You can just sort 1088 01:01:58,640 --> 01:01:59,920 Speaker 1: of like tell them what to do and they have 1089 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,480 Speaker 1: to do it. And like, the less actual physical power 1090 01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,120 Speaker 1: you have, the more you have to sort of like 1091 01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,480 Speaker 1: use argumentation to convince people to do things. And this 1092 01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,640 Speaker 1: really seems like the peak of cure. A bunch of 1093 01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,360 Speaker 1: people who have been so powerful for so long they 1094 01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,800 Speaker 1: don't even like they don't even know how to make 1095 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,840 Speaker 1: a compelling argument because I've never had to. All all 1096 01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:20,880 Speaker 1: they all they've ever had to do is use brute force, 1097 01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,800 Speaker 1: And it like sucks trying to use like logic and 1098 01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:30,480 Speaker 1: reason against people who like by design don't know and 1099 01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,200 Speaker 1: don't want to know how to do this because if 1100 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,000 Speaker 1: if they if they're ever in a position where they 1101 01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,200 Speaker 1: have to, it means that their power has been diminished. 1102 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:41,840 Speaker 1: Mm hmm exactly. Well. And also nurses like we're natural 1103 01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,040 Speaker 1: people pleasers were like kind of a we can be 1104 01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,600 Speaker 1: a little more submissive, and we've been like that for 1105 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,440 Speaker 1: years and we're finally standing up for ourselves. And they 1106 01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:54,200 Speaker 1: really don't have arguments. Yeah, I mean, it's like they're 1107 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,800 Speaker 1: killing people, Like it's like they're they're killing people for 1108 01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,960 Speaker 1: money that there's not like there's not actual mortal destiny 1109 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:07,440 Speaker 1: patients here exactly. I know. Yeah, it's just God, what 1110 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,760 Speaker 1: a terrible way to run a health care system. Like 1111 01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:15,000 Speaker 1: just oh I know, and um, I know a lot 1112 01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:19,200 Speaker 1: of hospitals are getting more into like creating executive care 1113 01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:23,280 Speaker 1: and executive hospitals executive clinics and which all that is 1114 01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:28,680 Speaker 1: is just a hospital that is just dedicated to exactly 1115 01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,840 Speaker 1: like the elites. And you would pay that hospital like 1116 01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,680 Speaker 1: a country club membership, so like to under granted or 1117 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,560 Speaker 1: whatever it's. They're not going to take Medicare, they're not 1118 01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:42,520 Speaker 1: going to take Medicaid. Um, it'll be strictly out of pocket, 1119 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:47,520 Speaker 1: not insurance, out of pocket um money. And you can 1120 01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,560 Speaker 1: just get all of the care you need at that 1121 01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:53,680 Speaker 1: one facility. Um, it'll have all specialties, you can see 1122 01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,640 Speaker 1: them same day, you can text your doctor. It's just 1123 01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:01,280 Speaker 1: health care that's just on demand and readily available for 1124 01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:07,240 Speaker 1: those people that can pay it. I know. I mean meanwhile, 1125 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,560 Speaker 1: everyone else is like waiting seventeen hours with like a 1126 01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:16,600 Speaker 1: hole in them in a hallway exactly like fair View 1127 01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,720 Speaker 1: is one of the hospital chains in our UM in 1128 01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:23,040 Speaker 1: Minnesota and they're creating a thousand bad hospital for the 1129 01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:26,880 Speaker 1: ultra elite. They're going to be doing that soon. And 1130 01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,720 Speaker 1: then they're also bargaining with the nurses and saying that 1131 01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,920 Speaker 1: they don't have money to pay them raises, they don't 1132 01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:34,840 Speaker 1: have money to give them family leaves, they don't have 1133 01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:39,720 Speaker 1: money to UM create better staffing models, you know. And 1134 01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:41,080 Speaker 1: one of the things I keep hearing about this is 1135 01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,720 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, like the rich hospitals will subsidize the 1136 01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:45,480 Speaker 1: ones that don't make money. It's like, no, they won't, Like, 1137 01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:46,880 Speaker 1: you're just gonna you're just going to keep all of 1138 01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,520 Speaker 1: that money and continue not funding the poorer hospitals, Like 1139 01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,200 Speaker 1: you won't you already do this. You can't actually fool 1140 01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:55,760 Speaker 1: anyone who has a bit more than two seconds like 1141 01:04:56,200 --> 01:05:01,280 Speaker 1: looking at this works exactly. I know. I know they're 1142 01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,360 Speaker 1: going to prioritize those executive hospitals and just fuddle all 1143 01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,280 Speaker 1: their money and resources that direction. It'll for sure be 1144 01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,880 Speaker 1: non union and they will push so much non union propaganda. 1145 01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:19,240 Speaker 1: Athles abilities two mm hmmm, Yeah sucks, not suck it. 1146 01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:23,080 Speaker 1: It does suck, I know, And just a lot of 1147 01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,840 Speaker 1: people don't know about it. It's scary what we're what 1148 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:31,360 Speaker 1: we're heading towards, and that's that's that's what we're fighting for, 1149 01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,160 Speaker 1: our fighting against. And I mean, I mean, I will 1150 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,200 Speaker 1: say like I do feel like a lot of the 1151 01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, I've been thinking about this a lot, 1152 01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:44,160 Speaker 1: with like what happened in and like why that kind 1153 01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:48,600 Speaker 1: of thing happens, And I think a lot of like, Okay, 1154 01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,520 Speaker 1: there is an extent to which people sort of don't 1155 01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,880 Speaker 1: care about violence. There's an extent to which people like 1156 01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,120 Speaker 1: are able to sort of like rationalize it. But but 1157 01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,160 Speaker 1: I think there is an extent to which, like the 1158 01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,520 Speaker 1: average person on the street has no idea this is 1159 01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,760 Speaker 1: happening until there's like sitting in a hospital room, and 1160 01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:07,760 Speaker 1: then they don't understand why it's happening, and so I think, yeah, 1161 01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:09,840 Speaker 1: like I I don't like this. This is not an 1162 01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:13,160 Speaker 1: acceptable state of affairs, and I think I don't know, 1163 01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,720 Speaker 1: like the one people starting to fight back, and then 1164 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,480 Speaker 1: when people like actually know about what is happening, I 1165 01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,720 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be like hopefully it will become harder 1166 01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:25,800 Speaker 1: and harder for them to do this stuff, because you know, hey, 1167 01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:31,560 Speaker 1: like yeah, people are literally dying and being like previously 1168 01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:36,320 Speaker 1: injured because the hospital refuses to pay more. Exactly. No, 1169 01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:40,840 Speaker 1: they just the hospitals just push that propaganda that they're underfunded, 1170 01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:45,560 Speaker 1: they can't afford stance, they can't afford this, and there's 1171 01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,640 Speaker 1: a nursing shortage and there's nothing they can do about it. 1172 01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,600 Speaker 1: And it's actually there's not a nursing shortage at all. 1173 01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,520 Speaker 1: There's a shorge and nurses that want to deal with 1174 01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:59,760 Speaker 1: this ship. Yeah, they're just leaving the bedside for better jobs. 1175 01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:03,880 Speaker 1: I think the thing I wanted to sort of start 1176 01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,160 Speaker 1: closing on is about like, okay, like that there there 1177 01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,760 Speaker 1: is some negotiation going on about pay raises because hey, 1178 01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,360 Speaker 1: guess what inflation is happening, etcetera, etcetera. But like the 1179 01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:18,320 Speaker 1: extent to which the negotiations aren't about like a aren't 1180 01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,200 Speaker 1: about pay because this is something we've been seeing. I mean, 1181 01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,000 Speaker 1: this is a this is a thing with the with 1182 01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,880 Speaker 1: the rail strike that's temporarily been averted. This is the 1183 01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:26,360 Speaker 1: thing there has been a thing in a lot of places. 1184 01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:28,960 Speaker 1: It's been a thing that's been driving people out of 1185 01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:34,000 Speaker 1: the workplace just everywhere. Is that. Yeah, like it's like 1186 01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:37,520 Speaker 1: this strike isn't really like if I think it's like 1187 01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, okay to tell me this is wrong. 1188 01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:42,480 Speaker 1: I don't think the strike would have happened if it 1189 01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:45,600 Speaker 1: had just been people not getting paid enough, like I 1190 01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,720 Speaker 1: I think if there was adequate staffing, and I think 1191 01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,280 Speaker 1: if there was like if people weren't paying for us 1192 01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:51,800 Speaker 1: to take more patients, like there wouldn't be a strike 1193 01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:56,919 Speaker 1: right now or there wouldn't have been a strike. Yeah. Possibly, Yeah, 1194 01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:00,919 Speaker 1: for sure. I think, Um, we're definitely not paid our worth, 1195 01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:04,800 Speaker 1: but also that's not all we want. There's definitely way 1196 01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:13,840 Speaker 1: more to it. Um yeah, it's um, we just we 1197 01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,680 Speaker 1: want to reclaim our profession. Yeah. Like it seems like 1198 01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,080 Speaker 1: it really seems like they're like the stuff that's happening, 1199 01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:25,759 Speaker 1: and I think sort of broadly like is like it's 1200 01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,599 Speaker 1: not just sort of about conversation. It's about the fact 1201 01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:33,280 Speaker 1: that for I mean my entire lifetime for like twenty 1202 01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:37,640 Speaker 1: five years, but like before that, like employers have had 1203 01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:39,880 Speaker 1: almost limited power and they've used are almost limited power 1204 01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:44,400 Speaker 1: to just make everyone's lives absolutely living hell. And they've 1205 01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:46,760 Speaker 1: they've used it to sort of like just to force 1206 01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,720 Speaker 1: to force people to work hours that are like unbelievable, 1207 01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:53,040 Speaker 1: to force people to like, you know, like like force 1208 01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:57,120 Speaker 1: people to stand there with like like cans so they 1209 01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,040 Speaker 1: can pee into while they're still on an assembly line. 1210 01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,800 Speaker 1: Force people just like this, like unbelievably just sort of 1211 01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,680 Speaker 1: horrible and degrading stuff. That's like it's like, no, you 1212 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,280 Speaker 1: can't actually just fix this with higher wages. You actually 1213 01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:11,960 Speaker 1: have to change, like something actually has to change about 1214 01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,280 Speaker 1: how the workplace works, because otherwise people are just going 1215 01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:22,920 Speaker 1: to stop. Exactly, yeah, exactly, Um yeah, I know. One 1216 01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,280 Speaker 1: of our proposals, we want to work a max of 1217 01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,960 Speaker 1: three twelve hours shifts in a row because right now 1218 01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,160 Speaker 1: our contract says we can't work more than seven twelve 1219 01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,600 Speaker 1: hours shifts in a row, and we obviously that is 1220 01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,120 Speaker 1: way too much and that's something that would mean even 1221 01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,240 Speaker 1: even three is like like, isn't it really? Like every 1222 01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,960 Speaker 1: single time I read one of these things, it's like okay, 1223 01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,840 Speaker 1: like hey, I like, yeah, okay, we we we we 1224 01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,160 Speaker 1: want for only one of our fingers to be cut 1225 01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,360 Speaker 1: off per shift instead of four, And it's like this 1226 01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:56,759 Speaker 1: is like, oh God, It's like the demands are incredibly 1227 01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:01,680 Speaker 1: reasonable considering being asked to do, Like Jesus, don't all, 1228 01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,320 Speaker 1: oh yeah, we want the hospitals to have six months 1229 01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:09,760 Speaker 1: of PPE on hand at all times. They've already declined that. Yeah. 1230 01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:12,519 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, who who who needs PPE? Like 1231 01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,040 Speaker 1: really everyone in the splice She's like, oh who who 1232 01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,400 Speaker 1: needs to have? Who who needs to have? Like stories 1233 01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:20,680 Speaker 1: of critical spare parts? No one. This this will never 1234 01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:22,559 Speaker 1: come back to haunts. We will never be in any 1235 01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:24,559 Speaker 1: position where we said you don't have the spirit parts? 1236 01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:29,640 Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, I know. Um, we have a 1237 01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:34,680 Speaker 1: pandemic proposal we want, um, we want to pass and 1238 01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,400 Speaker 1: that's just to give the nurses the power to decide 1239 01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:43,360 Speaker 1: um what we need when another pandemic hits, um, to 1240 01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:49,640 Speaker 1: provide SafeCare and like safety for ourselves. Um. Yeah. The 1241 01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:53,320 Speaker 1: hospital didn't include us on any decisions during the pandemic. 1242 01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:58,599 Speaker 1: It was yeah, we were just used and abused. Yeah, 1243 01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,360 Speaker 1: and we had to use our own stick time and 1244 01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:05,400 Speaker 1: vacation if we were exposed or if we had quarantines. 1245 01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:09,360 Speaker 1: So if we're diagnosed with COVID yeah, which also like, 1246 01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:16,000 Speaker 1: but did you get COVID? What is happening? Um, I've 1247 01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,960 Speaker 1: only had it once that I know of. Yeah, I 1248 01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:22,600 Speaker 1: mean that okay oldly had it once. It's like I 1249 01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,320 Speaker 1: don't know anyone who worked as a nurse who didn't 1250 01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,040 Speaker 1: get COVID at least once, and most of them got 1251 01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:32,760 Speaker 1: it at least twice. Oh yeah, just god, I don't know. 1252 01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:41,280 Speaker 1: It's just so bleak, like I know, and it just 1253 01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,600 Speaker 1: depended on like your patient population. I'm in surgery, so 1254 01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:51,200 Speaker 1: I'm a little more like guarded from that um COVID population. 1255 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,840 Speaker 1: You know, we only did surgery if if UM they 1256 01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,519 Speaker 1: really needed it done and if they were positive for COVID, 1257 01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,720 Speaker 1: so we kind of got to pick and choose a 1258 01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:05,000 Speaker 1: little bit. Um. But other nurses obviously they could not 1259 01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:14,080 Speaker 1: avoid COVID. Yeah, yeah, I don't It's just god, like, 1260 01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:15,519 Speaker 1: I can't just go like just this is just the 1261 01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,400 Speaker 1: worst possible way you can run a medical system. And 1262 01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:24,360 Speaker 1: it is just I know, and I know, like I 1263 01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:28,360 Speaker 1: know in UM let see, Sandford is another big hospital, 1264 01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:30,640 Speaker 1: joint giant that's like in South Dakota, North Dakota, and 1265 01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,400 Speaker 1: I'm from South Dakota, so that's kind of all like 1266 01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:36,800 Speaker 1: really hits home for me. UM is they're hiring seven 1267 01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:45,240 Speaker 1: foreign nurses, like from Venezuela, Mexico wherever. Um as like 1268 01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:50,080 Speaker 1: they're pretty much using them as travel nurses um just 1269 01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:55,639 Speaker 1: to avoid actual travel nurses here UM. They will bring 1270 01:12:55,800 --> 01:13:01,519 Speaker 1: them here um by and they'll sign like a three 1271 01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:05,000 Speaker 1: year contract UM. The hospital will provide housing for them, 1272 01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:12,719 Speaker 1: and they will drop wages significantly. In the nursing world, 1273 01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:16,360 Speaker 1: especially in South Dakota and North Dakota, they're definitely not 1274 01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,040 Speaker 1: going to be paid their worth. I know they're going 1275 01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:22,320 Speaker 1: to be exploited more than we are. I had family 1276 01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,439 Speaker 1: like that actually did the antelocole is talking about who 1277 01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:26,240 Speaker 1: are doctors, Like, we're in North Dakota for a bit 1278 01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,120 Speaker 1: and they were just like this is the worst, and 1279 01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,600 Speaker 1: they like they left for like they left for a 1280 01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:34,040 Speaker 1: vast improvement and being in a hospital in Nebraska, which 1281 01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:38,280 Speaker 1: is like yeah. And I also like I want to 1282 01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:40,400 Speaker 1: talk about this a little bit because this is like 1283 01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:43,479 Speaker 1: a this is interesting what the Philippines too, where like 1284 01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,400 Speaker 1: there's there's like there are a whole industries of like 1285 01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,920 Speaker 1: basically training people and then shipping them to the US 1286 01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,600 Speaker 1: so they can be like just horribly exploited. Um. And 1287 01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:54,240 Speaker 1: then that's been like one of the things that's been 1288 01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:58,000 Speaker 1: like I don't know, like bolstering the profits of the 1289 01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:00,880 Speaker 1: medical sector for a long time is step usually just 1290 01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,400 Speaker 1: like import people and exploit them and yeah, and like 1291 01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:06,000 Speaker 1: the fact that they're like, oh god, this is some 1292 01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:10,840 Speaker 1: like the the fact that these people are gonna be 1293 01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,640 Speaker 1: like living in like houses that are owned by their 1294 01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:19,120 Speaker 1: bosses is some real like yeah gilded age ship. Yeah, 1295 01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:20,479 Speaker 1: I mean, well, I mean the thing I think it 1296 01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,719 Speaker 1: most like this is this is like standard practice in China, 1297 01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:27,479 Speaker 1: for example, and it's a disaster. Like I like, I 1298 01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:29,200 Speaker 1: don't I don't know if people have ever like actually 1299 01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,760 Speaker 1: seen pictures of what the inside of these dormitories look like, 1300 01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,720 Speaker 1: but like it is like these are you get a 1301 01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,880 Speaker 1: room that is like smaller from the college dorm room 1302 01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,680 Speaker 1: that doesn't have air conditioning that like I don't know, 1303 01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:42,920 Speaker 1: I I we talked about it on this show, like 1304 01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,719 Speaker 1: the h We talked about a worker like a couple 1305 01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,679 Speaker 1: of weeks ago who like died from the heat wave 1306 01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:50,920 Speaker 1: because when he came home, I mean, keep people working 1307 01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:52,680 Speaker 1: a bunch of shifts and he had to work like 1308 01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:55,679 Speaker 1: he had to work a shift in like a hundred 1309 01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,960 Speaker 1: and four degrees like loading stuff onto a train, and 1310 01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,080 Speaker 1: he came back home there's no reconditioning, and he's in 1311 01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:02,840 Speaker 1: this tunty apartment and he died in his bed because 1312 01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:04,760 Speaker 1: you know, it was it was too hot, and like 1313 01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:07,160 Speaker 1: like this is the kind of stuff that happens, especially 1314 01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,920 Speaker 1: when you have like like when when when you're sleeping 1315 01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:11,760 Speaker 1: in corporate dormatories and we're sleeping in a place that 1316 01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,719 Speaker 1: like your boss owns, Like this is the ship that happens, 1317 01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:19,559 Speaker 1: and it's really really bleak. And I hope these people 1318 01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:24,760 Speaker 1: are able to unionize and like fight their bosses, but like, yeah, 1319 01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,160 Speaker 1: I don't know it. Yeah, well, I mean fear of 1320 01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:30,840 Speaker 1: being exiled. I highly doubt they're going to be able 1321 01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:34,080 Speaker 1: to unionize. Yeah, because yeah, because I mean guess everything, 1322 01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:37,680 Speaker 1: like like the way the visa process works, right, Like 1323 01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:41,120 Speaker 1: it's really easy to like if someone's here to work 1324 01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,920 Speaker 1: visa and then suddenly you're like, oh, hey, I want 1325 01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:45,920 Speaker 1: to unionize, it's like, well, nope, screw you. You don't 1326 01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:53,840 Speaker 1: have a job anymore. We're gonna get you deported. Yeah, exactly, 1327 01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,000 Speaker 1: which I mean, I guess. It's it's it's you know, 1328 01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:58,800 Speaker 1: it's it's it's another one of those things where like 1329 01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:04,200 Speaker 1: like all of the different sort of disparate like fights 1330 01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:07,400 Speaker 1: people are having are connected like like this, this this 1331 01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:11,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't be happening, like if we didn't have the sort 1332 01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,920 Speaker 1: of border regime that we have right now, Like okay, 1333 01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,880 Speaker 1: if firmigration system wasn't just like you know and like 1334 01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,680 Speaker 1: and it just like if it wasn't just like a 1335 01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:26,000 Speaker 1: giant like torture machine for millions of people, the stuff 1336 01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:27,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't be happening if you weren't in this sort of 1337 01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,519 Speaker 1: moments of like you know, if you if you weren't 1338 01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:32,360 Speaker 1: at a moment where the power of unions has been 1339 01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:35,040 Speaker 1: collapsing for decades, Like if you weren't, if you weren't 1340 01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:38,960 Speaker 1: in a place where like I mean even even even 1341 01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:42,439 Speaker 1: sort of like on on on the level of Obama 1342 01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,200 Speaker 1: going like we're not gonna like we're gonna make our 1343 01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,519 Speaker 1: healthcare system worse because it will cost insurance jobs if 1344 01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:53,880 Speaker 1: you make it any better, Like it's like uh yeah, 1345 01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,240 Speaker 1: Like like I feel like I feel like the medical 1346 01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,720 Speaker 1: sector is like like people do working in healthcare is 1347 01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:02,120 Speaker 1: like it's one of these places where just like every 1348 01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:04,719 Speaker 1: possible it's it's kind of it's kind of like prisons 1349 01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:06,840 Speaker 1: where it's like like everything that's gone wrong in our 1350 01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:10,800 Speaker 1: society just like gets focused into like one nexus point 1351 01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:12,840 Speaker 1: and it's the point where people have to go where 1352 01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:19,800 Speaker 1: they die, I know. And the only thing that's holding 1353 01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:24,840 Speaker 1: hospitals accountable are unions in this country. Yeah, if there 1354 01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:29,439 Speaker 1: was no unions, the wages would be much lower. And 1355 01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:33,679 Speaker 1: I don't even know where healthcare would be right now. Yeah, 1356 01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. Not good. I mean, like I can't 1357 01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:40,640 Speaker 1: I can keep going back the China because it's like 1358 01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:43,360 Speaker 1: that's like the other healthcare system as a disaster that 1359 01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:45,840 Speaker 1: like I have family and and it's like, well, I mean, 1360 01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:47,160 Speaker 1: I guess the thing that's been happening in the U 1361 01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,519 Speaker 1: S two of like the increasing violence you can staff, 1362 01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:53,000 Speaker 1: but like China has a huge, a huge problem with 1363 01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:57,240 Speaker 1: basically riots breaking out because people like someone's family member 1364 01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,360 Speaker 1: dies because their their care was really bad, and so 1365 01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:01,240 Speaker 1: they'll just be like riot and people will go tack 1366 01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:05,560 Speaker 1: the doctors and it's like yeah, it's like okay, like 1367 01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:09,840 Speaker 1: I get why they're doing this, but it's like it sucks. 1368 01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:11,479 Speaker 1: And this is this is a huge problem they've had 1369 01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:16,080 Speaker 1: with with retention because their numbers are like they're they're 1370 01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:22,240 Speaker 1: like their staff to patient ratios are unreal awful and yeah, 1371 01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:23,640 Speaker 1: and like you know, like that that that kind of 1372 01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:30,400 Speaker 1: stuff makes health care systems fall apart. Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, 1373 01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:33,200 Speaker 1: and that's kind of like they've been doing that here. 1374 01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:36,880 Speaker 1: I mean, hospitals have been demonizing nurses instead of like 1375 01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:41,840 Speaker 1: actually saying that they do have institutional failures and it's 1376 01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,240 Speaker 1: their faults and we're only as strong as like the 1377 01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:48,040 Speaker 1: safety protocols and policies that are in place. Yeah, and 1378 01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,519 Speaker 1: like I mean, like the best nurse in the world 1379 01:18:50,640 --> 01:19:00,280 Speaker 1: can't be three nurses, like yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, and yeah, 1380 01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:04,320 Speaker 1: so if they kind of do this for a nursing deal, um, 1381 01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,479 Speaker 1: I mean South Dakota, North Dakota their right to work states, 1382 01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,760 Speaker 1: so they it's almost impossible to unionize. You can, but 1383 01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:16,160 Speaker 1: it's it takes a lot of work. Uh. But when 1384 01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:18,960 Speaker 1: most your staff is already travelers, like I was told 1385 01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:24,479 Speaker 1: by another nurse, like in North Dakota, Sanford their staff 1386 01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,200 Speaker 1: is travelers, Well, how the help can you even attempt 1387 01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:31,200 Speaker 1: to unionize? And that's that's the goal of hospitals is 1388 01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:36,240 Speaker 1: just to create so much turnover where yeah, I mean, yes, 1389 01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:39,800 Speaker 1: just turning hospitals into Amazon, which the system meditoriously works great, 1390 01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:50,400 Speaker 1: it's exactly. And travelers are less likely to speak up 1391 01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,519 Speaker 1: because they're just afraid of their contract being canceled or 1392 01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:56,960 Speaker 1: they're going to be blacklisted. And blacklisted just means like 1393 01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:00,320 Speaker 1: there's a um common website that all hospital as will 1394 01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:03,760 Speaker 1: go on just to look at travel nurses that are 1395 01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:08,080 Speaker 1: recommended um not to call or not to give a 1396 01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:14,920 Speaker 1: contract to Jesus yeah exactly so, and you can blacklist 1397 01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:19,280 Speaker 1: a nurse for any reason, um yeah, and the reasons 1398 01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,439 Speaker 1: they're not disclosed. It just says do not call next 1399 01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:26,960 Speaker 1: to that name. Well, but completely ruins their travel career. Yeah, 1400 01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,120 Speaker 1: it's like it's amazing. It's so formalized. Like I know 1401 01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,320 Speaker 1: people have been blacklisted from other professions, but it was 1402 01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:34,519 Speaker 1: like very like it was kind of an under the 1403 01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,639 Speaker 1: table thing. This is just like not a not We're 1404 01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:38,680 Speaker 1: we were literally going to put your name on a 1405 01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:46,240 Speaker 1: list that everyone just has, Like oh god, yeah exactly. 1406 01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:50,960 Speaker 1: So if there is, you know, think the issues at 1407 01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:54,240 Speaker 1: a hospital, those nurses are less likely to speak up 1408 01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,120 Speaker 1: and they're less likely to even you know, leave their 1409 01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:03,560 Speaker 1: contract because they're afraid of retaliation like that. It just 1410 01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:08,760 Speaker 1: incentivizes just a terrible care. Yeah okay, well well well 1411 01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:10,719 Speaker 1: we have now spent an enormous amount of time talking 1412 01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:14,000 Speaker 1: about how unbelievably messed up. This whole system is, um, 1413 01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:18,320 Speaker 1: what can people do to a help this strike and 1414 01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:21,800 Speaker 1: be like, will help with contract negotiations and be like, 1415 01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:26,040 Speaker 1: just in general, try to fight for better health care 1416 01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:29,599 Speaker 1: for people. I know I've been asked that a lot too. UM. 1417 01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,360 Speaker 1: We do have a website with um M and a 1418 01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:37,519 Speaker 1: Minnesota nursing association where we do like to have people 1419 01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:44,320 Speaker 1: share their stories about surprise bills or firsthand experiences with understaffing, UM, 1420 01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:48,040 Speaker 1: et cetera. UM. And that's something like we've just been 1421 01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:54,680 Speaker 1: kind of collecting stories, UM, just so we can kind 1422 01:21:54,720 --> 01:22:01,600 Speaker 1: of keep exposing UM the corruption. UM. Also, donating to 1423 01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:05,920 Speaker 1: our strike fund is always much appreciated. Yeah, yeah, we 1424 01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:09,439 Speaker 1: will put it out a link to that in the description. Yeah, 1425 01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:13,800 Speaker 1: that's how you create change, just this public pressure. Yeah. 1426 01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:16,280 Speaker 1: Do you do you have anywhere else anything else that 1427 01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:19,200 Speaker 1: you want to say? I don't think so. I don't 1428 01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:22,519 Speaker 1: think so. I feel like I covered a lot UM. Yeah, 1429 01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:26,200 Speaker 1: I just wanted to bring awareness to this topic. Yeah, 1430 01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:27,920 Speaker 1: thank you so much for bringing on the show. I'm 1431 01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:30,080 Speaker 1: for talking to us about this because yeah, this is 1432 01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:34,000 Speaker 1: definitely something that people need to hear and I'm really 1433 01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:37,240 Speaker 1: glad you were able to join us. Thank you for 1434 01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,559 Speaker 1: having me appreciate it. Yeah, this has been NI could 1435 01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:44,280 Speaker 1: happen here a podcast by cools On Media, and I 1436 01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,720 Speaker 1: guess also my heart. Uh yeah, you can find us 1437 01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:50,080 Speaker 1: in the usual places. Uh yeah, make make the world 1438 01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:51,640 Speaker 1: a better place for nurses in a worse place for 1439 01:22:51,720 --> 01:23:14,679 Speaker 1: hospital executives. Yes, it could happen here. It's not it's 1440 01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:18,439 Speaker 1: not October yet, but this is a preview of kind 1441 01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,880 Speaker 1: of how I'll be recording certain things when Halloween gets near. 1442 01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:25,120 Speaker 1: So I'm done with my work for the day. The 1443 01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:29,400 Speaker 1: rest of you didn't take over. Now, I guess that 1444 01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:33,720 Speaker 1: that's me high yep, it's me. It's Christopher. What is that? 1445 01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:37,280 Speaker 1: What is this episode about? Christopher? Is it about? No? 1446 01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:39,320 Speaker 1: This is this is about a thing that did not 1447 01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,439 Speaker 1: happen somewhere else, which I guess is slightly off kilter 1448 01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:46,639 Speaker 1: for us. But yeah, it also with me is Garrison 1449 01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:52,679 Speaker 1: and Treen and Sophie and yeah, yeah, excellent. Alright, seems 1450 01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:55,600 Speaker 1: like the episodes started. Good work, everybody, all right, we 1451 01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:58,000 Speaker 1: did it. We got there. We've we've've gotten through the introduction. 1452 01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:01,320 Speaker 1: Now we can get to a conspiracy theory. That's been 1453 01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:04,840 Speaker 1: like all over Twitter, but not kind of in the 1454 01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:07,320 Speaker 1: usual places where you'd expect a conspiracy theory to be 1455 01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:11,200 Speaker 1: on Twitter, and that is this whole thing where an 1456 01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:13,880 Speaker 1: enormous number of people were convinced that she Jumping had 1457 01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:15,519 Speaker 1: been ounced it in a coup and that he was 1458 01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:20,559 Speaker 1: being held by the army under house arrest. And okay, 1459 01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:25,479 Speaker 1: so we're recording this earlier today. I think She Jumping 1460 01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:29,360 Speaker 1: like reappeared and it, you know, we had the final 1461 01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:31,439 Speaker 1: definitive proof that he had not in fact been like 1462 01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:36,519 Speaker 1: disappeared by the Chinese Army. Yeah, yeah, I remember the 1463 01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:40,040 Speaker 1: way I encountered this was Twitter informingly that people were 1464 01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:42,880 Speaker 1: like discussing it, and I spent like three seconds looking 1465 01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:46,439 Speaker 1: at what accounts were saying that Jim Ping was being 1466 01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:50,519 Speaker 1: fucking coud, and it was all like, um, I don't know, 1467 01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:56,600 Speaker 1: uh anime tip Goblin four to three, like like analyzing 1468 01:24:56,680 --> 01:25:01,320 Speaker 1: satellite photos and stuff like, no, we don't I'm just 1469 01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,320 Speaker 1: gonna I'm just gonna wait to hear what's up with 1470 01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:09,600 Speaker 1: this one? Great? Yeah, someone actually did like sorry, like 1471 01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:13,519 Speaker 1: a like a word cloud of like like a network 1472 01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:15,240 Speaker 1: map of who was spreading it, and it was it 1473 01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:19,000 Speaker 1: counts with names like that. Yeah, I mean, and it 1474 01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:24,280 Speaker 1: has spawned like articles from outer zera. It's way worse 1475 01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:26,640 Speaker 1: than that. It's way worse than that. Like okay, well, 1476 01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,600 Speaker 1: I always skip ahead a slight bit to uh. The 1477 01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:33,679 Speaker 1: place we were at two days ago was the Republic 1478 01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,439 Speaker 1: Media Network, which is like was one of the biggest 1479 01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:39,240 Speaker 1: news networks in in India. I saw some I saw 1480 01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:41,160 Speaker 1: a source claiming they get a hundred and fifty five 1481 01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:47,480 Speaker 1: million views a week because literally in the world. They 1482 01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:51,640 Speaker 1: were literally running a China watcher's parody tweet, like like 1483 01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:53,519 Speaker 1: he had they had a China watch. A guy had 1484 01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:55,160 Speaker 1: a thread that was like him making fun of it, 1485 01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:57,200 Speaker 1: that was like him walking to like red and empty 1486 01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:59,240 Speaker 1: places and being like this is a coup, and they 1487 01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:02,040 Speaker 1: like they st it up ran the like his tweets 1488 01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:06,000 Speaker 1: like as a news story about the coup, like unreal bullshit, 1489 01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:08,880 Speaker 1: Like I I know, oh boy, well, this is again 1490 01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:12,240 Speaker 1: a point we make regularly on on all of our shows. 1491 01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:15,080 Speaker 1: But like you can't, you can't have that kind of 1492 01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:19,160 Speaker 1: fun anymore, Like it just immediately gets picked up and weaponized, 1493 01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:22,799 Speaker 1: like making making jokes about like fake oh yeah, idiots 1494 01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:26,640 Speaker 1: are spreading bullshit about a coup. I'm gonna make fakeku news. Well, congratulations, 1495 01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:28,560 Speaker 1: now you've convinced the third of India that there's a 1496 01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,920 Speaker 1: coup in China. Yeah, Like I think like the China 1497 01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:34,200 Speaker 1: watchers I think were like because okay, like and this 1498 01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:35,800 Speaker 1: is the thing where there there are there are very 1499 01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:38,599 Speaker 1: specific China watch people. I am very mad at because 1500 01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:40,800 Speaker 1: when when when they were interviewed by the press, when 1501 01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:42,240 Speaker 1: they were writing about it, they were like, Wow, the 1502 01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:44,200 Speaker 1: coup could kind of be plausible, but it's not happen. 1503 01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:47,120 Speaker 1: It's like no, no, it's not, it is not. I'm sorry, 1504 01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:50,200 Speaker 1: Like it is a joke. Like any anyone who actually 1505 01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:52,879 Speaker 1: plausibly suggests that j Ping is going to get overthrown 1506 01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:54,920 Speaker 1: in a coup is not serious. This is not a 1507 01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,640 Speaker 1: serious person. This kind of happened, like this is this 1508 01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,880 Speaker 1: is this is like this is like fucking like Steve 1509 01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,000 Speaker 1: Bannon is getting the death penalty ship Like it's actually 1510 01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:06,479 Speaker 1: less plausible than that, Like it's it's nonsense, Like there's 1511 01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:08,200 Speaker 1: and when you say because I'm not I'm not a 1512 01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:10,400 Speaker 1: China government now, or when you say it's impossible, is 1513 01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:12,800 Speaker 1: it just because like we have a long history of 1514 01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:16,080 Speaker 1: what happens when like people who are in power in 1515 01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:19,320 Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist Party lose power and it's not coup's well, 1516 01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean here's the thing, right, so people will make 1517 01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:23,120 Speaker 1: a there's like there's like a whole big thing about 1518 01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,760 Speaker 1: how like Hu Jintao was like the first like successful 1519 01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,120 Speaker 1: like like non violent like like transition of power in 1520 01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:29,920 Speaker 1: Chinese history, and like that's kind of true like in 1521 01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,800 Speaker 1: the modern CCP because like so after Mao, there's another 1522 01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:36,960 Speaker 1: guy who takes power and he gets like fucked up 1523 01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,040 Speaker 1: by Dan Jo Ping and like his sort of minions. 1524 01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:41,439 Speaker 1: But like, okay, so the first thing you have to 1525 01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:42,960 Speaker 1: understand about this, and this is something that's gonna come 1526 01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:45,439 Speaker 1: up later here is that the Chinese Army is not 1527 01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:47,920 Speaker 1: going to stage a coup. Like this is impossible. It 1528 01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:49,680 Speaker 1: is not going to happen. The Chinese Army is not 1529 01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:52,400 Speaker 1: a political faction that works like this. There has never 1530 01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:55,599 Speaker 1: been like that. The Chinese Army has never done a coup, 1531 01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:58,680 Speaker 1: like like the Army of the People's Liberation Army has 1532 01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,519 Speaker 1: never done into coup. That's not how this works. It 1533 01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:03,280 Speaker 1: is it is like it is insane. It is like 1534 01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,800 Speaker 1: just bafflingly incomprehensible that anyone would think they could do this, 1535 01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:08,519 Speaker 1: because they can't. Like this, this is this is this 1536 01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:10,080 Speaker 1: is not what, this is not what the p l 1537 01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:13,120 Speaker 1: A is as an institution. Insofar as people get overthrown 1538 01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,240 Speaker 1: inside of the party, it's by other people in the 1539 01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:18,280 Speaker 1: party doing like factional maneuvering against them, and that can 1540 01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:22,120 Speaker 1: sort of happen. But like, okay, this is the year two. 1541 01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:26,800 Speaker 1: She jumping has basically like clawbered everyone in the party who, 1542 01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:29,920 Speaker 1: like anyone who was actually going to present a serious 1543 01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,960 Speaker 1: challenge to him, like was claubed like ten years ago, 1544 01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:37,120 Speaker 1: so I mean ten tens probably slightly overseight, but like, 1545 01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:39,680 Speaker 1: you know, he he just finished part part of the 1546 01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:42,640 Speaker 1: background to the stories that he just finished purging like 1547 01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:46,680 Speaker 1: a few of his like last remaining like kind of 1548 01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:50,599 Speaker 1: seriously not even really serious, but like he's did another 1549 01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:52,240 Speaker 1: one of anti corruption purges and he's like had a 1550 01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:55,519 Speaker 1: guide like executed for corruption, right, Like this isn't like 1551 01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,840 Speaker 1: that that that that's how stuff actually works in the 1552 01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,519 Speaker 1: party is someone gets arrested for corruption and then put 1553 01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:02,840 Speaker 1: in prison for a long time or killed like but 1554 01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:05,080 Speaker 1: like like you know, executed for like corruption like that 1555 01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:07,040 Speaker 1: that that's how this actually works. There's there's like there 1556 01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:09,080 Speaker 1: are no cups. This is bullshit. I'm gonna yell at 1557 01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:11,600 Speaker 1: China watch her specifically who was talking about this like 1558 01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:15,599 Speaker 1: at the end of this episode, because I'm mad about it, um, 1559 01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:18,639 Speaker 1: like so like and obviously like right now like obviously 1560 01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:21,600 Speaker 1: today like singas we appeared in public, so like this 1561 01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,519 Speaker 1: is obviously bullshit. Uh, five days ago, if we turned 1562 01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,600 Speaker 1: back the clock, it was exactly as bullshit as it 1563 01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:31,599 Speaker 1: was then. But there's there is some other contexts here, 1564 01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:34,559 Speaker 1: which is that So one of the reasons why anyone 1565 01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:36,240 Speaker 1: is even talking about this in the first place is 1566 01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:39,599 Speaker 1: that UM, on October six, which is like a bit 1567 01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,439 Speaker 1: over two weeks from now, uh, the CCP is going 1568 01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:45,760 Speaker 1: to have the National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party. 1569 01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,160 Speaker 1: And this this is like the big one, right like 1570 01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,800 Speaker 1: every five years, like the whole party gets together, and 1571 01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:53,800 Speaker 1: it's where they choose the members of the Pullet Bureau, 1572 01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:56,520 Speaker 1: and it's where they choose the members of the absolutely 1573 01:29:56,680 --> 01:30:00,760 Speaker 1: terribly named Pullet Bureau Standing Committee of the Chinese Communist Party. 1574 01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:04,640 Speaker 1: And there's like another thing. There's like another like all 1575 01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:07,240 Speaker 1: this stuff is like it's it's based on like like 1576 01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:09,760 Speaker 1: this the structure of like this is based on the 1577 01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:13,160 Speaker 1: party structure that the Bolsheviks set up. What would be 1578 01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:16,519 Speaker 1: the kind of comparison to this for American There really 1579 01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:18,160 Speaker 1: is there not not. I mean it's it's kind of 1580 01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:20,400 Speaker 1: like like the closest thing would be a presidential election. 1581 01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:24,240 Speaker 1: But imagine if a presidential election was like like I 1582 01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:26,840 Speaker 1: imagine if presidential election was one party got together and 1583 01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:29,960 Speaker 1: that chose the president. So it is it's it's a 1584 01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:32,760 Speaker 1: committee that kind of gets the different bureautic leaders of 1585 01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:37,519 Speaker 1: different sectors. Well it's it's it's also much like so 1586 01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:40,040 Speaker 1: it's basically like it has all of the leader sort 1587 01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:41,800 Speaker 1: of like going down like the ranks of the party 1588 01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:45,200 Speaker 1: like that you have like like each like like city 1589 01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:47,720 Speaker 1: or whatever, like people will you send delegates to it? 1590 01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:50,640 Speaker 1: Like originally it was like like back in like the 1591 01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:52,360 Speaker 1: like when the Bolsheviks. You're doing this in in like 1592 01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:56,640 Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen nineteen, right, Like it's okay, the like these 1593 01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:58,519 Speaker 1: are based off of like like the whole party, like 1594 01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:00,800 Speaker 1: like the bullshit party would have a congress and all 1595 01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:02,840 Speaker 1: of the sort of leading organizers and all like everyone 1596 01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:04,800 Speaker 1: like all the sort of like local party factions were 1597 01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:06,560 Speaker 1: like elected person and they would set a delegate to 1598 01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:08,439 Speaker 1: the thing and then they would all fight out and 1599 01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:09,880 Speaker 1: figure out what their policy was going to be. Now 1600 01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:13,120 Speaker 1: it's like there's I mean, they're there are power striggles, 1601 01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:15,080 Speaker 1: I go on, but the whole like this is an 1602 01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:17,200 Speaker 1: actual representative of like a mass party thing is just 1603 01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:19,080 Speaker 1: sort of gone. It's just this, this is this is 1604 01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:22,280 Speaker 1: sort of like what what what was actually gonna happen 1605 01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:23,920 Speaker 1: at this one is we're going to see exactly how 1606 01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:25,599 Speaker 1: much power like she j and Ping is gonna take 1607 01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:28,960 Speaker 1: because he's I mean, the big story that was talking 1608 01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:31,200 Speaker 1: about is like she'simping at the last one of these, 1609 01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:33,640 Speaker 1: like well not the last one of these. It was 1610 01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:35,320 Speaker 1: it was, it was it was a different congress. But 1611 01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:37,360 Speaker 1: he he was able to like eliminate the two term 1612 01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:40,720 Speaker 1: limit on Chinese leaders that have been imposed sort of 1613 01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:42,680 Speaker 1: like after Mao because people were like maybe this is 1614 01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:45,519 Speaker 1: a bad idea. So she's gonna he's gonna get it, 1615 01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,640 Speaker 1: Like he's gonna get get a third term. There's a 1616 01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:50,760 Speaker 1: bunch of debate over like exactly how much power he's 1617 01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:52,639 Speaker 1: going to get and like what titles he's gonna get 1618 01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:55,519 Speaker 1: but like I don't know, I'll do an episode about 1619 01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:59,040 Speaker 1: that after it happens. But basically there's there's this all 1620 01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:01,439 Speaker 1: there's all the sort of politic intrigue stuff swirling around 1621 01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:03,200 Speaker 1: because this is like this is like this is like 1622 01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:07,479 Speaker 1: the big political events like of of the sort of 1623 01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:11,280 Speaker 1: like modern periods, um the other thing that was happening. Well, 1624 01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:12,800 Speaker 1: and this is also why he was like pershing some 1625 01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:18,479 Speaker 1: of his opponents because like, well, you know, so, I 1626 01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:20,200 Speaker 1: guess the everything we should we could talk about with 1627 01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:22,040 Speaker 1: this is like if people have listened to revolutions, like 1628 01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:24,360 Speaker 1: this is how Stalin took over the party, which is 1629 01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:26,000 Speaker 1: that you figured out that the like the way you 1630 01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:29,280 Speaker 1: take over those the state apparatus is by you you 1631 01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:31,400 Speaker 1: make yourself that like the head of the Pullit Buro, 1632 01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:33,280 Speaker 1: and then you have enough you have like you you need. 1633 01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:34,800 Speaker 1: All you need to do is control like three people 1634 01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:36,120 Speaker 1: on the Pullit Bureau and you can just sort of 1635 01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:38,400 Speaker 1: like dictate policy down inline for the party and this 1636 01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:40,280 Speaker 1: gives you, this gives you control the states, like this 1637 01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:43,000 Speaker 1: is this is sort of this that's all like that's 1638 01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:45,920 Speaker 1: like the like ancestor of this. It's still a very 1639 01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:51,120 Speaker 1: similar kind of structure sort of. Um. Mostly it's just like, yeah, 1640 01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:53,720 Speaker 1: there's an important political event going on and the other 1641 01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:56,439 Speaker 1: things that she Shouping was out of the country, so 1642 01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:58,400 Speaker 1: he was doing he was doing a tour of Central 1643 01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:00,960 Speaker 1: Asia for like, like he's doing one of those sort 1644 01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:03,439 Speaker 1: of like fluff tourious people do of like we're like 1645 01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:06,479 Speaker 1: reaffirming or like trade ties and stuff. So he was 1646 01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:08,960 Speaker 1: in samarcand and then he came back I think on 1647 01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:11,960 Speaker 1: the twenty first, and then he was just sort of 1648 01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:15,920 Speaker 1: vanished for a few days. And the reason that he 1649 01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:17,920 Speaker 1: vanished was that he was in quarantine, which is the 1650 01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:20,479 Speaker 1: thing that like is real in China but everyone else 1651 01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:25,559 Speaker 1: has just like forgotten exists. And so he was actually 1652 01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:28,160 Speaker 1: doing the thing that like you're supposed to do because 1653 01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:31,400 Speaker 1: he was came back from an international trip. Yeah. Well 1654 01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:33,439 Speaker 1: and also like, well, I hate to say you've got 1655 01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:35,760 Speaker 1: to hand it to Zesi and pain, but I guess 1656 01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:37,360 Speaker 1: you've got to hand it to him. That is there 1657 01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:40,360 Speaker 1: what you should do after getting back from an international trip. 1658 01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:42,240 Speaker 1: Like Jenny Winely, one of the few things that will 1659 01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:44,680 Speaker 1: say about is he has gotten COVID less times than 1660 01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:48,680 Speaker 1: Joe Biden. He has not gotten COVID right, like he 1661 01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:50,720 Speaker 1: hasn't gotten it. And the reason he hasn't gotten is 1662 01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:53,439 Speaker 1: because they actually sort of like there are ways in 1663 01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,360 Speaker 1: which the way that they take COVID policy seriously is nuts, 1664 01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:59,000 Speaker 1: Like they are like anti lockdown riots happening right now 1665 01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:03,000 Speaker 1: because they locked like an entire like they locked on 1666 01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:06,400 Speaker 1: an entire town because one person got COVID, which like whatever, 1667 01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:08,080 Speaker 1: and you can you could argue with the COVID policy, 1668 01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:12,000 Speaker 1: but they he he doesn't have COVID. So my mind 1669 01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:14,519 Speaker 1: that no one was like this might be an option 1670 01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:17,600 Speaker 1: of why he's not around. Well, every everyone who was 1671 01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:20,840 Speaker 1: like serious, like like anyone who liked you, Yeah, it 1672 01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:23,920 Speaker 1: was like it was all nonsense. People who were spreading 1673 01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:26,759 Speaker 1: it like it was all it was all random Twitter accounts. 1674 01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:29,599 Speaker 1: I think what would kind of the missing piece here 1675 01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:32,240 Speaker 1: and what's actually happened is that so those of you 1676 01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:35,320 Speaker 1: who have followed my career, uh will know that there's 1677 01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:37,360 Speaker 1: a website called Belling Cat that I wrote at that 1678 01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,200 Speaker 1: has been in the news pretty continuously for the last 1679 01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:44,600 Speaker 1: almost ten years because they kind of helped invent the 1680 01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:49,320 Speaker 1: modern concept of open source research UM and open source intelligence, 1681 01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:52,280 Speaker 1: which has really had its biggest moments since the invasion 1682 01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:54,599 Speaker 1: of Ukraine, because suddenly there's all this footage of tanks 1683 01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:57,320 Speaker 1: getting blown up, of of Russian soldiers doing this and 1684 01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:00,519 Speaker 1: doing that, and of you know, cities change inging hands 1685 01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:02,120 Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and people have been following the 1686 01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:05,120 Speaker 1: war through a lot of these big O SENT accounts. UM. 1687 01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:07,519 Speaker 1: Kind of the last huge moment in O SENT prior 1688 01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:10,760 Speaker 1: to the invasion of Ukraine was was January six UM, 1689 01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:13,280 Speaker 1: and that was another big moment for people understanding it. 1690 01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:16,280 Speaker 1: And kind of one of the popular conceptions of open 1691 01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:19,200 Speaker 1: source intelligence is that random guys on the internet are 1692 01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:22,160 Speaker 1: getting better intel than you know, the CIA or whatever. 1693 01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:25,800 Speaker 1: Which there's a degree to which that that's true, because 1694 01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:29,840 Speaker 1: a lot of random people did become experts in stuff like, um, 1695 01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:33,280 Speaker 1: you know, different kind of munitions tracking and whatnot, and 1696 01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:36,680 Speaker 1: did a better job of tracing certain things than than 1697 01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:39,120 Speaker 1: state agencies were doing, which is why like some of 1698 01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:43,040 Speaker 1: those people. UM. Anyway, it's a whole long story, but 1699 01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:45,400 Speaker 1: the problem is that it's led people to believe that 1700 01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:48,679 Speaker 1: the best intelligence often comes from random people on the Internet, 1701 01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:51,120 Speaker 1: and no one of the things if you if you're 1702 01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:53,519 Speaker 1: trying to evaluate someone who was claiming to provide o 1703 01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:55,840 Speaker 1: sent the most one of the most important things to 1704 01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:58,920 Speaker 1: do is number one, can you actually trace their work back? 1705 01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:02,200 Speaker 1: Is it possible to like follow their they're thinking and 1706 01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:04,320 Speaker 1: their conclusions to determine whether or not what they're saying 1707 01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:06,240 Speaker 1: is nonsense? And number two, do they have like a 1708 01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:10,160 Speaker 1: track record, because like, for example, Eric Toler and Elliot Higgins, 1709 01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:12,519 Speaker 1: who I worked with for a while, have like a 1710 01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:15,519 Speaker 1: ten year track record of being consistently right about things 1711 01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:19,080 Speaker 1: and breaking massive stories and doing stuff like uncovering Russian 1712 01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:22,960 Speaker 1: g r U agent operations and stuff. Um and these 1713 01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:25,160 Speaker 1: were just random accounts that no one had ever heard 1714 01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:28,240 Speaker 1: of on Twitter claiming to have detailed, figured out detailed 1715 01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:31,960 Speaker 1: information about a coup in the Chinese government. There's there's 1716 01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:34,800 Speaker 1: nothing behind them. Yeah, well it's it's funny too because like, okay, 1717 01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:37,000 Speaker 1: so once once, like actual people, we're gonna get this 1718 01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:38,800 Speaker 1: a second. Like once actually people started picking it up. 1719 01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:41,880 Speaker 1: Like if you just googled any of the people who 1720 01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:44,280 Speaker 1: were like writing about this, it's it takes like five 1721 01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:47,560 Speaker 1: seconds to figure out this person's just nuts. And but 1722 01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:49,639 Speaker 1: nobody did it because it's it's Twitter. And so instead 1723 01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:53,920 Speaker 1: of what happened is um so this thing starts like 1724 01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:58,040 Speaker 1: on Chinese Twitter, like it's it's people like like yeah, 1725 01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:00,040 Speaker 1: it starts on like like the Chinese speaking part of 1726 01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:03,120 Speaker 1: like China Twitter. I'm gonna read a thing from the 1727 01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:06,240 Speaker 1: Indian News at first post, which like did a kind 1728 01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:08,240 Speaker 1: of clean up job of like hey, all of the 1729 01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:10,360 Speaker 1: other Indian heulets you're covering this, I've just have just 1730 01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:13,320 Speaker 1: completely lost their minds. Here's like what actually sort of happens. 1731 01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:18,360 Speaker 1: Um quote. A Twitter account New Highland Vision, which has 1732 01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:23,840 Speaker 1: over followers, wrote on September that former Chinese President Hu 1733 01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:29,200 Speaker 1: Jintao and former Premier When Jaibao, had persuaded Song Ping, 1734 01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:31,719 Speaker 1: the former member of the Pull Up Euro Standing Committee, 1735 01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:34,880 Speaker 1: to take control of the Central Guard Bureau from she. 1736 01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:38,160 Speaker 1: So I don't My guess is that makes no sense 1737 01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:42,000 Speaker 1: to anyone on like anything. Yeah, so this is Jim Well, okay, 1738 01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:44,840 Speaker 1: so what this is? This is some like old school, 1739 01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:50,040 Speaker 1: very very weird like old school Chinese inside baseball ship. Um. 1740 01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:51,800 Speaker 1: The first thing you should know about this is this 1741 01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:53,640 Speaker 1: is completely The first way you can tell this is 1742 01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:57,320 Speaker 1: nonsense is that Song Ping is not doing shit, and 1743 01:37:57,400 --> 01:37:59,160 Speaker 1: Song Ping is not doing ship because this man is 1744 01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:03,560 Speaker 1: a hundred and five five years old. This man was 1745 01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:11,400 Speaker 1: born in seventeen. Baby, it's his time, It's his turn, 1746 01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:15,880 Speaker 1: you know what. Credit to China. I thought we lived 1747 01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:19,639 Speaker 1: in a cliptocracy run by like an aging Ghougle cast. 1748 01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:24,160 Speaker 1: But damn, hundreds of five the queen could have lived 1749 01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:29,280 Speaker 1: so much longer, like to be fair, to try to 1750 01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:32,639 Speaker 1: have this guy's like three generations out like this is okay. 1751 01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:35,799 Speaker 1: So the sort of like fantasy here is like kujent 1752 01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:40,880 Speaker 1: Tao like taking power, and hugent Tao is like he 1753 01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:43,479 Speaker 1: was one of the guys who came in like like 1754 01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:45,720 Speaker 1: when he kind of made his bones, like purging the 1755 01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:49,200 Speaker 1: people in the CCP who would like hadn't been hard 1756 01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:52,840 Speaker 1: enough on the Janaman protesters. But he's he's like he's 1757 01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:54,800 Speaker 1: one of the sort of perform and opening guys. Um 1758 01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:58,800 Speaker 1: like song Ping is like one of the guys who 1759 01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:02,040 Speaker 1: like helped like kojent Tao advanced on them, like kojent Tau. 1760 01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:05,080 Speaker 1: It's like a guy from like the nineties, right, Like 1761 01:39:05,439 --> 01:39:08,439 Speaker 1: these are like like people who at one point we're 1762 01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:11,559 Speaker 1: genuinely powerful and are now like I don't know, I mean, 1763 01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:13,479 Speaker 1: there's persistent rumors they do stuff behind the scenes, but 1764 01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:18,560 Speaker 1: like it's it's I don't know. They are like unbelievably 1765 01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:22,800 Speaker 1: and ferociously decrepit. H Okay, do you know what else 1766 01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:27,439 Speaker 1: is unbelievably and ferociously decrepit done, um, the gold company 1767 01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:33,840 Speaker 1: that's now advertising. Guys, listen, listeners, you're you're probably gonna 1768 01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:36,400 Speaker 1: hear some gold ads from very They're very silly ads. 1769 01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:39,080 Speaker 1: People do seem to be enjoying them. I'm gonna tell 1770 01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:41,160 Speaker 1: you two things. Number one, don't buy gold. The only 1771 01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:43,559 Speaker 1: precious medals you should invest if you're going to invest 1772 01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:46,000 Speaker 1: in precious medals, which I don't necessarily recommend, the only 1773 01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:50,760 Speaker 1: ones you should invest in our lead, hand and brass. Yeah. Um, 1774 01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:55,240 Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't care about these. Like look when 1775 01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:57,479 Speaker 1: the fucking c i A or the FBI or the 1776 01:39:57,560 --> 01:39:59,880 Speaker 1: Washington State Highway Patrol is advertising on our show. We 1777 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,320 Speaker 1: if those ads are moved, I don't care. You're not 1778 01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:05,360 Speaker 1: gonna buy gold. Don't buy gold, but we'll take their 1779 01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:08,800 Speaker 1: money and we'll use it to pay our salaries. It's fine, Like, 1780 01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:13,720 Speaker 1: enjoy it. We're back, boy. You know what, guys, I 1781 01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:16,120 Speaker 1: said what I just said there, and I just bought 1782 01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:19,080 Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty seven thousand dollars in gold. I'm 1783 01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:22,280 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna go bury it right now. Actually exactly exactly. 1784 01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:24,760 Speaker 1: I can't even buy gold. I'm allergic to it for 1785 01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:30,439 Speaker 1: really yeah, I really really really yeah, I'm not going 1786 01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:33,679 Speaker 1: to be rich. I didn't know you could be allergic 1787 01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:35,880 Speaker 1: to gold. I also did I knew you could be 1788 01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:39,640 Speaker 1: allergic because like rings and stuff. Yeah, that makes me 1789 01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:42,800 Speaker 1: like the yeah, the metal. I'm not like like die 1790 01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:45,439 Speaker 1: if I touch it, but like, yeah, came up on 1791 01:40:45,439 --> 01:40:47,880 Speaker 1: an allergy test, so it's like legit. I wonder if 1792 01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:50,880 Speaker 1: you're only allergic to like broke people gold, and if 1793 01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:54,320 Speaker 1: you're not a lerned maybe poor people gold. I love 1794 01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:57,439 Speaker 1: that there's poor people golden people. I know, I know. 1795 01:40:57,640 --> 01:40:59,800 Speaker 1: It's just very funny that that's and I'm sure that 1796 01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:03,360 Speaker 1: people advertising on our shows are selling like it's like 1797 01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:08,800 Speaker 1: asbestos bricks covered in goldlief. We should talk about this 1798 01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:14,280 Speaker 1: and not let's continue, Okay, So back back back to 1799 01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:17,519 Speaker 1: another kind of incredibly bizarre fantasy. So like the there's 1800 01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:20,160 Speaker 1: there's a group of like people who are like like 1801 01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:22,760 Speaker 1: Chinese dissidents or whatever, but like whose thing is that? 1802 01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:25,600 Speaker 1: Like they think that like jumping is like an unreconstructed 1803 01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:28,640 Speaker 1: maoist and that like you know one day like that 1804 01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:30,800 Speaker 1: like the people from the reform period who like ended 1805 01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:32,880 Speaker 1: Maoism or wondering gonna like sweep him out of power. 1806 01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:37,360 Speaker 1: Like this is nonsense, Like it's like the only equivalent 1807 01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:38,800 Speaker 1: I can think of this is like every once in 1808 01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:41,040 Speaker 1: a while you'll see some Russia expert ranting about how 1809 01:41:41,080 --> 01:41:43,760 Speaker 1: like Putin is like on the verge of being overthrown 1810 01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:45,640 Speaker 1: and like some like liberal no one has ever heard 1811 01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:47,760 Speaker 1: of the nineties is going to do the same ship. 1812 01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:50,200 Speaker 1: By the way, the fake Osan that comes out because 1813 01:41:50,200 --> 01:41:52,240 Speaker 1: it's all stuff like look, they've closed the streets in 1814 01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:55,160 Speaker 1: Moscow and like this street, you know, they've got military out, 1815 01:41:55,200 --> 01:41:57,040 Speaker 1: and it's like, well, yeah, they're having a parade. It's 1816 01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:58,840 Speaker 1: like a pre announced parade. They do this every year. 1817 01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:01,160 Speaker 1: They hold this exact rate every year and they close 1818 01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:03,200 Speaker 1: the street down the same way. And you can find 1819 01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:06,200 Speaker 1: that if you look into it. But people can take 1820 01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:08,960 Speaker 1: like post a bunch of pictures on Twitter of like 1821 01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:13,400 Speaker 1: cleared streets and like soldiers blocking intersections, and it looks 1822 01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:15,720 Speaker 1: to somebody who doesn't know anything about Russia, like wow, 1823 01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:19,439 Speaker 1: these the ocean people have done it again. They've uncovered 1824 01:42:19,479 --> 01:42:22,720 Speaker 1: another coup against Putin. Well, it's one thing, one thing, 1825 01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:24,320 Speaker 1: one thing. The other thing that I'll say about cus 1826 01:42:24,360 --> 01:42:27,000 Speaker 1: is because we we like in the last like maybe 1827 01:42:27,080 --> 01:42:29,200 Speaker 1: three or four years, have actually been a lot of coups. 1828 01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:31,960 Speaker 1: But the thing about a coup, right is it like 1829 01:42:32,200 --> 01:42:34,240 Speaker 1: one of the things that happens very quickly usually in 1830 01:42:34,280 --> 01:42:36,439 Speaker 1: a coup. If if the coup plotters are winning, is 1831 01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:39,280 Speaker 1: that like they there's you'll you'll you'll you'll see a 1832 01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:42,240 Speaker 1: message from something called like the Government of National Salvation 1833 01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:44,839 Speaker 1: or some ship and they'll like start putting out statements. 1834 01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:47,720 Speaker 1: And if you don't see a statement from like the 1835 01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:51,840 Speaker 1: the United Liberation Army of National Salvation or whatever, like 1836 01:42:52,439 --> 01:42:56,360 Speaker 1: it's not happening. That's what I'm gonna call mine. Wait, 1837 01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:58,840 Speaker 1: I'm just like, okay, I understand how it's spreads, Like 1838 01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:00,479 Speaker 1: I'm sure we're gonna get in to it, but I 1839 01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:03,759 Speaker 1: understand how it's spread to like people on the internet 1840 01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:05,760 Speaker 1: that wants something to latch onto. But if you're saying 1841 01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:07,719 Speaker 1: it got to like El Jazeera and all that stuff, 1842 01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:11,880 Speaker 1: like there wasn't like a journalist. It's the thing. Okay, 1843 01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:14,400 Speaker 1: So there there there's a couple. Yeah, we're gonna get 1844 01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:16,240 Speaker 1: to that. Like, so there's just two different kinds of 1845 01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:18,600 Speaker 1: things happening, right. One of the things about this conspiracy 1846 01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:20,320 Speaker 1: is that there's a lot of people who see it 1847 01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:22,600 Speaker 1: and are like like like that there. I saw a 1848 01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:25,519 Speaker 1: guy who was like an Ultramaga account right like his things, 1849 01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:28,679 Speaker 1: like he was like nuclear Ultramaga who posted a picture 1850 01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:30,040 Speaker 1: that was like, oh my god, this is an explosion 1851 01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:31,280 Speaker 1: in Beijing and it was like, no, this is how 1852 01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:34,200 Speaker 1: much enging explosion jails and fifteen and they always they 1853 01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:35,680 Speaker 1: only have I've ever seen this. The next day he 1854 01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:37,439 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm sorry, that's actually not what I thought. 1855 01:43:37,439 --> 01:43:41,200 Speaker 1: It was like even those guys who at this supports 1856 01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:45,400 Speaker 1: to Nuclear Ultra Mega, it was just like people you know, 1857 01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:47,640 Speaker 1: normally expect to get bulled over by this stuff, and 1858 01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:50,559 Speaker 1: they were like, this is nonsense, Like what is happening? 1859 01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:52,840 Speaker 1: You know, I'm glad that we can rely on the 1860 01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:56,759 Speaker 1: journalistic credibility of Nuclear Ultra Maga and these uncertain times, 1861 01:43:56,840 --> 01:44:02,520 Speaker 1: thank god. Well, Nuclear Ultra Maga was being more responsible 1862 01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:06,400 Speaker 1: than most of the mainstream Indian journalistic outlets, which is terrifying. 1863 01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:09,360 Speaker 1: So okay, so like like the thing about this, this 1864 01:44:09,720 --> 01:44:11,960 Speaker 1: the original version of this conspiracy though, is this is 1865 01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:15,400 Speaker 1: like this is gibberish. No, nobody knows what the Central 1866 01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:18,280 Speaker 1: Guard Bureau is, Like I had to look that up, 1867 01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:20,799 Speaker 1: Like apparently it's a it's a like the Sential Guard Bureaus, 1868 01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:22,360 Speaker 1: like this thing that's in charge of like protecting like 1869 01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:24,640 Speaker 1: high level leaders or whatever. Like it's nonsense, like this 1870 01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:28,320 Speaker 1: is this is like pure inside baseball ship for like 1871 01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:32,960 Speaker 1: like people who are like really committed, like Chinese dissident 1872 01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:36,800 Speaker 1: what pads. However, what happens next is so people start 1873 01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:39,080 Speaker 1: kind of picking up on it, and in particular there's 1874 01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:41,760 Speaker 1: a person of Jennifer zang Zen, who has like two 1875 01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:46,240 Speaker 1: hundred thousand Twitter followers. Um starts, she starts posting this 1876 01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:48,919 Speaker 1: video that claims to be p l A military vehicles 1877 01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:51,439 Speaker 1: heading to Beijing on September twenty two, and this is 1878 01:44:51,439 --> 01:44:54,280 Speaker 1: like ghost viral. Um. So yeah, I mean, let me 1879 01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:58,160 Speaker 1: give us three options. Once footge it's funished from the 1880 01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:04,240 Speaker 1: video game three you game, let's think, let's think you know, so, yes, 1881 01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:07,519 Speaker 1: I I actually think this is real military footage, and 1882 01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:09,400 Speaker 1: I think it's actually kind of recent. It's just that 1883 01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:12,360 Speaker 1: like it's really easy in China to just like look 1884 01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:16,160 Speaker 1: at a road and see a military trip. Option three, 1885 01:45:16,479 --> 01:45:19,280 Speaker 1: it's footage of some fucking like tank on the road 1886 01:45:19,479 --> 01:45:22,840 Speaker 1: in China. I'm gonna take it. Was just like armored cars, 1887 01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:24,479 Speaker 1: which is like I think that, like like I just 1888 01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:27,320 Speaker 1: moved troops around. I just did a road trip up 1889 01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:31,960 Speaker 1: to northern Washington for a parkour conference and nerd, I know, 1890 01:45:32,360 --> 01:45:35,800 Speaker 1: and we we we passed three military helicopters flying this 1891 01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:40,360 Speaker 1: guy we passed like we we we passed like two 1892 01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:44,040 Speaker 1: muh like a troop carriers. We passed a whole bunch 1893 01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:45,720 Speaker 1: of military equipment. I'm not gonna thill the and be 1894 01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:50,320 Speaker 1: like they're invading Oregon, like like what, No, like this 1895 01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:52,040 Speaker 1: this is this is a thing. Like if you take 1896 01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:54,280 Speaker 1: one thing out of this episode, is that any time 1897 01:45:54,439 --> 01:45:57,479 Speaker 1: someone says that they are seeing troop movements, it is 1898 01:45:57,520 --> 01:45:59,559 Speaker 1: always alive that this is a Houston dream Hong Kong 1899 01:45:59,680 --> 01:46:02,280 Speaker 1: because everyone was like terrified the army was gonna show up, 1900 01:46:02,280 --> 01:46:04,920 Speaker 1: and like every two days there'll be another videos almost 1901 01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:08,400 Speaker 1: like there's an army confine moving into every It's always fake, 1902 01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:11,120 Speaker 1: it's never real. It's like the only time it's ever 1903 01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:13,479 Speaker 1: real is if there's actual shooting, like if there's a 1904 01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:16,559 Speaker 1: literal war going on, maybe, well, and it's never real, 1905 01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:19,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna know when it's real. It's also if you 1906 01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:21,880 Speaker 1: want to look about at times, because there are times 1907 01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:25,559 Speaker 1: where people do osent on military movements and it's meaningful. 1908 01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:27,800 Speaker 1: A good example would be the month that led up 1909 01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:30,240 Speaker 1: to the invasion of Ukraine, in which case you were 1910 01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:33,519 Speaker 1: able to clearly show here is satellite footage three months 1911 01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:35,560 Speaker 1: ago of this place from the air, and here is 1912 01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:38,200 Speaker 1: it now, and there's like a million more guys. They're 1913 01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:40,240 Speaker 1: clearly something is going on, and we can show this 1914 01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:43,320 Speaker 1: pattern repeating in a bunch of areas, right, and this 1915 01:46:43,439 --> 01:46:45,120 Speaker 1: and this is this is a very different thing from 1916 01:46:45,240 --> 01:46:47,240 Speaker 1: the thing that goes viral on Twitter is someone will 1917 01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:49,600 Speaker 1: just post a video of it and if so, and 1918 01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:52,680 Speaker 1: if what's happening is they're posting a video of some 1919 01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:55,720 Speaker 1: military looking trucks, that person is and and that's all 1920 01:46:55,800 --> 01:46:58,400 Speaker 1: it is nine percent at the time that person is 1921 01:46:58,439 --> 01:47:01,080 Speaker 1: full of ship. Yeah it's and this is this is 1922 01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:03,120 Speaker 1: like one of the most common patterns of just like 1923 01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:06,400 Speaker 1: weird bullshit conspiray stuff. Is this stuff people like love 1924 01:47:06,479 --> 01:47:09,800 Speaker 1: this again the thing that's happening to open source intelligence 1925 01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:11,840 Speaker 1: is the thing that happens to everything cool that comes 1926 01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:13,439 Speaker 1: on the end. You have this, you have this, This 1927 01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:15,880 Speaker 1: thing is figured out that is made possible because of 1928 01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:19,000 Speaker 1: new technology. People do really rad ship and in the 1929 01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:21,360 Speaker 1: case of O Sin, it's like, prove that the Russian 1930 01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:25,040 Speaker 1: government shot down in h seventeen over fucking Ukraine, and um, 1931 01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:27,479 Speaker 1: you know, solve all of these war crimes being committed 1932 01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:30,040 Speaker 1: in different areas by figuring out exactly who the perpetrators 1933 01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:31,760 Speaker 1: were and where they were committed in all this ship 1934 01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:34,840 Speaker 1: based off of like sketchy video footage, and then the 1935 01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:38,519 Speaker 1: thing goes viral and elements of the aesthetics of it 1936 01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:42,040 Speaker 1: are taken by people who just want to spread bullshit 1937 01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:45,360 Speaker 1: um or in some cases who think they're actually doing 1938 01:47:45,439 --> 01:47:49,240 Speaker 1: real research and they're just dumb, and you know, then 1939 01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:51,880 Speaker 1: then you you get to this point where kind of 1940 01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:58,120 Speaker 1: this thing that was pretty wild and pretty um pretty 1941 01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:00,639 Speaker 1: free for a while has to a degree to which 1942 01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:03,040 Speaker 1: it has to become professionalized so that people can know 1943 01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:05,760 Speaker 1: who is full of shit and who is not, and 1944 01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:08,559 Speaker 1: like who has a track record and who doesn't. UM. 1945 01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:10,479 Speaker 1: And I'll go back to in terms of like how 1946 01:48:10,520 --> 01:48:12,760 Speaker 1: you can tell if something is real osent kind of 1947 01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:16,599 Speaker 1: the the earliest big case study of like ocent researchers 1948 01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:19,960 Speaker 1: breaking something is proving that the Russian government shot down 1949 01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:22,680 Speaker 1: MH seventeen, this Malaysian air flight over Ukraine when the 1950 01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:24,920 Speaker 1: Russians were blaming the Ukrainians for it. And the way 1951 01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:27,599 Speaker 1: they did it is there were pictures in the wreckage 1952 01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:30,160 Speaker 1: of the aircraft that were taken, numerous ones that showed 1953 01:48:30,200 --> 01:48:33,519 Speaker 1: pieces of the missile. Some of those pictures had numbers 1954 01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:37,519 Speaker 1: on them. All weaponry, military grade weaponry has serial numbers 1955 01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:39,720 Speaker 1: and ship and using those serial numbers, people were able 1956 01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:42,240 Speaker 1: to track it back to the Buck missile battery that 1957 01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:45,400 Speaker 1: the mistil had been on. And because the Buck missile 1958 01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:47,960 Speaker 1: battery also has like numbers and ship, you can trace 1959 01:48:48,040 --> 01:48:50,519 Speaker 1: its progress. They figured out what base had originated at, 1960 01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:53,400 Speaker 1: and then using a mix of like videos civilians had 1961 01:48:53,439 --> 01:48:55,400 Speaker 1: taken and like other stuff that were able to kind 1962 01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:57,800 Speaker 1: of trace the path of this Buck missile as it 1963 01:48:57,920 --> 01:49:00,760 Speaker 1: left Russia and entered Ukraine and then found it in 1964 01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:03,360 Speaker 1: a village like a video evidence that just some taxi 1965 01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:05,719 Speaker 1: driver was literally a guy who had like a fucking 1966 01:49:05,800 --> 01:49:08,479 Speaker 1: car camera on and he just uploaded footage from like 1967 01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:11,439 Speaker 1: driving around town. You see in this town next to 1968 01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:14,439 Speaker 1: where the plane was shot down, the Buck missile launcher 1969 01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:17,839 Speaker 1: that has the missile that shot down MH seventeen. Driving 1970 01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:20,200 Speaker 1: through that town the day that the plane is shot down, 1971 01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:22,320 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, okay, well there you go, and and 1972 01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:24,760 Speaker 1: and again. It's the thing in terms of like how 1973 01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:27,519 Speaker 1: to tell if something is valid ocent. You can track 1974 01:49:27,640 --> 01:49:30,599 Speaker 1: all of that back. Every stage of it makes sense, 1975 01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:33,639 Speaker 1: every stage of it is repeatable to a lay person. 1976 01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:37,120 Speaker 1: And um, and and if they're good, they're gonna demonstrate 1977 01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:40,280 Speaker 1: their work as they tell this, as they like show 1978 01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:43,840 Speaker 1: here's the steps that I took. Um, they're never gonna 1979 01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:47,439 Speaker 1: just say here's a video of two army vehicles. Look 1980 01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:51,120 Speaker 1: troop movements. You know. Yeah, okay, we're gonna be getting 1981 01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:54,240 Speaker 1: into who she is after these ads. O oh um. 1982 01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:59,880 Speaker 1: You know, when I'm thinking about shooting down civilian airliners, 1983 01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:06,880 Speaker 1: I wish I had gold in my basement. I was wondering, Yeah, 1984 01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:12,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna be It came around next year we're launching 1985 01:50:12,439 --> 01:50:16,440 Speaker 1: our first tribute sche exclusively using Gold as the projectile 1986 01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:18,840 Speaker 1: and the the end the end mission, by the end 1987 01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:20,960 Speaker 1: is to set up next to the airport and shoot 1988 01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:25,280 Speaker 1: down as many planes as possible using the gold tribute. Wow, Garrison, 1989 01:50:25,479 --> 01:50:29,880 Speaker 1: Garrison Davis threatening international air travel. I hope your passport 1990 01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:33,840 Speaker 1: comes in soon, buddy, before about this in the State Department. 1991 01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:40,519 Speaker 1: Here's here's the bads. I just got my my gold 1992 01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:43,040 Speaker 1: purchase flag. I don't know what's going on, but it's 1993 01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:46,200 Speaker 1: not letting me buy anymore, so I I think they're 1994 01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:50,800 Speaker 1: onto me. Wow. Um yeah, that's that's on. Listeners. We 1995 01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:52,680 Speaker 1: need you to just buy all of the gold you 1996 01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:55,680 Speaker 1: can and mail it to Garrison so that Garrison can 1997 01:50:56,240 --> 01:51:03,280 Speaker 1: fight climate change with his gold powered anti aircraft catapult. So, Chris, 1998 01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:07,800 Speaker 1: how's it going? Okay? So okay. So the thing that 1999 01:51:07,880 --> 01:51:10,439 Speaker 1: also should include people in like that something was going 2000 01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:13,439 Speaker 1: wrong is if literally any of the people who were 2001 01:51:13,439 --> 01:51:16,599 Speaker 1: reachtween Jennifer Zing had like literally just googled her name 2002 01:51:17,240 --> 01:51:19,439 Speaker 1: because it's okay. So if you if you do this, 2003 01:51:19,560 --> 01:51:21,040 Speaker 1: what you find out is that she is a self 2004 01:51:21,120 --> 01:51:24,200 Speaker 1: proclaimed human rights activists and journalists who writes for like 2005 01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:27,240 Speaker 1: really weird right wing outlets in Japan and also writes 2006 01:51:27,240 --> 01:51:32,960 Speaker 1: for the Epoch Times. Now, finally we could pull back 2007 01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:34,960 Speaker 1: the curtain and reveal what has been going on this 2008 01:51:35,200 --> 01:51:38,080 Speaker 1: entire time, which is that, and then this is yeah, 2009 01:51:38,439 --> 01:51:40,479 Speaker 1: what what's actually going on here is that Jennifer Zang 2010 01:51:40,600 --> 01:51:42,400 Speaker 1: is part of the Fallen Gong, which is like a 2011 01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:45,439 Speaker 1: very very weird right wing Chinese cult. She was like 2012 01:51:45,800 --> 01:51:48,160 Speaker 1: like she like had to leave China because she went 2013 01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:51,200 Speaker 1: to write a book about them, like this, this whole 2014 01:51:51,280 --> 01:51:53,880 Speaker 1: thing has been a food on Falling Gong off the 2015 01:51:54,880 --> 01:52:00,479 Speaker 1: time there we go back, okay, good, so yeah, okay, 2016 01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:01,840 Speaker 1: so people who don't know what the call and going 2017 01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:05,080 Speaker 1: is there they were, okay, So it's the thing that 2018 01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:06,639 Speaker 1: kind of emerged out of a bunch of these sort 2019 01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:10,000 Speaker 1: of like g meditation practices. But in late eighties and nineties, 2020 01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:12,320 Speaker 1: like the fall and Gong, it turns into this like 2021 01:52:12,439 --> 01:52:15,800 Speaker 1: this full scare will agist cult that's like and as 2022 01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:18,760 Speaker 1: as as a CCP like increasingly sort of represses them, 2023 01:52:19,200 --> 01:52:23,519 Speaker 1: they become like increasingly anti communist. Um you've they're they're 2024 01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:25,920 Speaker 1: like literally like you cannot be a Chinese person in 2025 01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:28,160 Speaker 1: the US and not running too these people fucking everywhere. 2026 01:52:28,160 --> 01:52:30,360 Speaker 1: They're just like march through China town. I mean, there's 2027 01:52:30,439 --> 01:52:35,639 Speaker 1: billboards for their fucking music show thing like everywhere around 2028 01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:37,880 Speaker 1: fucking where I live, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah that 2029 01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:39,400 Speaker 1: they have they have a show called Shen You and 2030 01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:42,360 Speaker 1: like I'm betting mostly yeah that's yeah, that's the China 2031 01:52:42,439 --> 01:52:49,479 Speaker 1: before communism. Ye yeah, and everywhere everywhere it is. The 2032 01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:52,320 Speaker 1: actual show is wild. Yeah, yeah, they have. They have 2033 01:52:52,360 --> 01:52:54,080 Speaker 1: a huge network in the U. S. And like the 2034 01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:57,080 Speaker 1: actual thing that it is, it's like it's mostly like 2035 01:52:57,160 --> 01:53:00,000 Speaker 1: China for companies and the actual things. This is weird combination, 2036 01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:02,400 Speaker 1: you know, like half asked Buddhism and Taoism and then 2037 01:53:02,479 --> 01:53:09,280 Speaker 1: like absolutely insane anti evolution ship like Christian Buddhism as well. 2038 01:53:09,400 --> 01:53:12,639 Speaker 1: It's like this, there's a whole bunch of weirds. It's 2039 01:53:12,680 --> 01:53:16,240 Speaker 1: not just like it's bigger, well, it's it's more Buddhist, 2040 01:53:16,360 --> 01:53:18,559 Speaker 1: but yeah, it's it's it's very it's very it's it's 2041 01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:23,080 Speaker 1: a very very weird cult thing and like Times, yeah, 2042 01:53:23,120 --> 01:53:29,240 Speaker 1: the fascist newspaper. Yeah, although weirdly weirdly the Epoch Times. Okay, 2043 01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:30,840 Speaker 1: so this is this is a part of the story 2044 01:53:30,920 --> 01:53:33,920 Speaker 1: that's very odd, which is that I'm about sure at 2045 01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:37,120 Speaker 1: that original So so the original account that did this, 2046 01:53:37,439 --> 01:53:41,599 Speaker 1: that um that did the original conspiracy that the New 2047 01:53:41,680 --> 01:53:44,519 Speaker 1: Highland Vision thing. It was like a pretty new account 2048 01:53:44,520 --> 01:53:46,160 Speaker 1: and had a bunch of followers and it just vanished, 2049 01:53:47,120 --> 01:53:49,080 Speaker 1: and there were a bunch of other accounts, like tiny 2050 01:53:49,120 --> 01:53:51,840 Speaker 1: accounts that were also New Highland Visions. I'm about eight 2051 01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:53,720 Speaker 1: to nine sure, but that that was a fall and 2052 01:53:53,800 --> 01:53:57,840 Speaker 1: Gong thing. But weirdly, the Epoch Times doesn't really touch this. 2053 01:53:59,640 --> 01:54:03,200 Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's it's very weird. Um. They're like, 2054 01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:07,439 Speaker 1: I'm gonna read a passage from from the Epoch Times 2055 01:54:07,479 --> 01:54:08,640 Speaker 1: and it's like epok Times in as so far as 2056 01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:11,120 Speaker 1: to talk about it, are citing x Indian officials talking 2057 01:54:11,160 --> 01:54:14,080 Speaker 1: about it. But like here, here, here's a pack. Here's 2058 01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:17,200 Speaker 1: like a quote from a passage of like the thing 2059 01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:20,439 Speaker 1: they're writing about, like a potential like stuff like okay 2060 01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:24,160 Speaker 1: Yang noted in this article that Lee was promoted to 2061 01:54:24,280 --> 01:54:27,559 Speaker 1: Commander of Northern Theater Command in nineteen sorry in two 2062 01:54:27,600 --> 01:54:30,519 Speaker 1: thous seventeen by she and that Lee led the formation 2063 01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:33,280 Speaker 1: of flags in the military parade on the anniversary marking 2064 01:54:33,320 --> 01:54:37,040 Speaker 1: the CCPs takeover of China, which shows that she values him. 2065 01:54:37,240 --> 01:54:40,320 Speaker 1: Like this is just like the most boring asked China 2066 01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:43,200 Speaker 1: watchers ship I've ever seen like that. The Epoch times 2067 01:54:43,240 --> 01:54:45,920 Speaker 1: didn't like cover this as like like they did. They 2068 01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:47,880 Speaker 1: didn't do the like the thing that all the rest 2069 01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:49,560 Speaker 1: of all long people were doing, which is this sort 2070 01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:52,000 Speaker 1: of like, oh my god, there's a coup like they 2071 01:54:52,200 --> 01:54:54,800 Speaker 1: just did. That kind of makes sense because if they're 2072 01:54:54,840 --> 01:54:56,600 Speaker 1: on the inside in any way, they kind of know 2073 01:54:56,760 --> 01:54:58,800 Speaker 1: it's billshit, so they don't want to kind of ruin 2074 01:54:59,000 --> 01:55:01,760 Speaker 1: some of their reputation, at least in like the far 2075 01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:04,040 Speaker 1: right in the States. So it makes sense that they 2076 01:55:04,080 --> 01:55:06,920 Speaker 1: would only cover it in the extent of them quoting 2077 01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:10,840 Speaker 1: like other people, so that they're actually not actually giving 2078 01:55:10,840 --> 01:55:14,080 Speaker 1: their kind of definitive opinion on it. Yeah, it's interesting, 2079 01:55:14,360 --> 01:55:16,040 Speaker 1: and I think also because I mean think, I think 2080 01:55:16,040 --> 01:55:17,320 Speaker 1: the thing is that they also knew that this thing 2081 01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:19,280 Speaker 1: has limited shelf life because the moment that she should 2082 01:55:19,280 --> 01:55:21,920 Speaker 1: being reappears in public everyone knows is bullshit. Yep. But 2083 01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:25,440 Speaker 1: before then, So the new version of this of this 2084 01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:27,840 Speaker 1: conspiracy cost is around like four things. One is the 2085 01:55:27,880 --> 01:55:30,680 Speaker 1: sort of military convoys going to Beijing thing there too, 2086 01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:32,560 Speaker 1: There's I guess there's five because there's also technically that 2087 01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:34,400 Speaker 1: there's there's the image of the explosion that they claim 2088 01:55:34,400 --> 01:55:36,400 Speaker 1: as in Beijing. That's like not in Beijing. It was 2089 01:55:36,440 --> 01:55:39,640 Speaker 1: from like seven years ago. Um, there's there's the they're 2090 01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:42,200 Speaker 1: the big The big one is there's this image going 2091 01:55:42,320 --> 01:55:44,800 Speaker 1: around that is like partially it's fake, and then people 2092 01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:46,280 Speaker 1: try to do on sand on it and it sucks. 2093 01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:50,720 Speaker 1: Um is they there's this thing that that's like Beijing 2094 01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:55,480 Speaker 1: as canceled its flights and trains, and there's like there's 2095 01:55:55,520 --> 01:55:59,000 Speaker 1: the original pictures of it are fake, right, and then 2096 01:55:59,160 --> 01:56:01,600 Speaker 1: people try to go on flight trackers to like check 2097 01:56:01,640 --> 01:56:03,960 Speaker 1: if it's happening, but they don't know how to use 2098 01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:07,240 Speaker 1: flight trackers, so they look at the planes are like, 2099 01:56:07,320 --> 01:56:08,880 Speaker 1: oh my god, has been canceled. If you look at 2100 01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:11,160 Speaker 1: the actual map, there's just a bunch of planes over Beijing, 2101 01:56:11,480 --> 01:56:13,480 Speaker 1: which is the thing you would expect there to be happening. 2102 01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:14,920 Speaker 1: And they were like and it was one of those 2103 01:56:14,920 --> 01:56:17,320 Speaker 1: normal things where like like the actual thing that was 2104 01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:19,640 Speaker 1: happening was there were there were some cancellations, but like 2105 01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:22,280 Speaker 1: that's because flights get canceled. Yeah, Like it was just 2106 01:56:22,280 --> 01:56:25,000 Speaker 1: completely normal flight cancelation stuff or like it wasn't even 2107 01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:27,760 Speaker 1: like asistically significant number of which is regular flight cancelations 2108 01:56:27,800 --> 01:56:30,080 Speaker 1: and then like planes that had landed but people were 2109 01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:32,600 Speaker 1: being like they were canceled. It's like no, like they 2110 01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:36,040 Speaker 1: got there. Yeah, so that happened. There was a lot 2111 01:56:36,120 --> 01:56:39,640 Speaker 1: of people trying to like do research stuff and just failing. Um, 2112 01:56:39,960 --> 01:56:42,440 Speaker 1: there's there's this whole thing about she's being like missing 2113 01:56:42,520 --> 01:56:46,000 Speaker 1: this really important military meeting, which like he actually he 2114 01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:48,440 Speaker 1: genuinely wasn't there, but he wasn't there because he was 2115 01:56:48,520 --> 01:56:51,800 Speaker 1: quarantining and he like sent he sent like a message 2116 01:56:51,800 --> 01:56:54,920 Speaker 1: to it. It was interesting because the like the Epoch 2117 01:56:54,960 --> 01:56:57,800 Speaker 1: Times actually reports on that like that that passages that 2118 01:56:57,800 --> 01:57:00,160 Speaker 1: I read about, like the weird the like people trying 2119 01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:02,160 Speaker 1: to figure out who's holding a flags you get promoted 2120 01:57:02,200 --> 01:57:06,360 Speaker 1: like that that that's about that meeting. Um. But yeah, 2121 01:57:06,360 --> 01:57:07,800 Speaker 1: and then then the last thing it's just like where 2122 01:57:07,880 --> 01:57:10,240 Speaker 1: is she jumping? Like blah blah blah blah. If he's fine, 2123 01:57:10,280 --> 01:57:13,040 Speaker 1: why isn't he? And this stuff like it's it's especially 2124 01:57:13,080 --> 01:57:15,520 Speaker 1: the flights and the convoy stuff like starts spreading like wildfire, 2125 01:57:16,040 --> 01:57:18,720 Speaker 1: and the thing that happens that like this thing should 2126 01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:21,600 Speaker 1: have died, like there shouldn't have been enough stuff to 2127 01:57:21,640 --> 01:57:24,800 Speaker 1: keep it going, but it hit b JP Twitter, which 2128 01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:28,960 Speaker 1: is like so like so the b j P is 2129 01:57:29,080 --> 01:57:31,320 Speaker 1: is basically like it's it's the fascist party that controls 2130 01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:37,880 Speaker 1: India there like like really fanatical like Hindu extremists, right wingers, Um, 2131 01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:44,520 Speaker 1: they hate Muslims. They suck there, Like I would, I 2132 01:57:44,600 --> 01:57:46,560 Speaker 1: would argue I think there's a decent argument for this 2133 01:57:46,760 --> 01:57:48,760 Speaker 1: that this is the closest thing to like a conventional 2134 01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:52,800 Speaker 1: twenty century fascist party that exists on Earth. We've talked 2135 01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:55,600 Speaker 1: about the and the and the epic times on here before, 2136 01:57:55,840 --> 01:57:57,880 Speaker 1: or at least on pastards. I I know, I've talked 2137 01:57:57,880 --> 01:58:01,640 Speaker 1: about them a decent amount of christ you have the Yeah, 2138 01:58:01,960 --> 01:58:03,280 Speaker 1: they're kind of they're kind of one of the one 2139 01:58:03,280 --> 01:58:06,920 Speaker 1: of the recurring characters. Um. Yeah. But what what's what's 2140 01:58:06,920 --> 01:58:09,480 Speaker 1: interesting here is is is that one of their ops, 2141 01:58:09,960 --> 01:58:13,840 Speaker 1: like it just the op doesn't really go towards sort 2142 01:58:13,880 --> 01:58:15,800 Speaker 1: of like American right way Twitter. It goes towards Indian 2143 01:58:15,880 --> 01:58:19,480 Speaker 1: right wing Twitter, which that which which is notable. Yeah. Yeah. Well, 2144 01:58:19,480 --> 01:58:21,240 Speaker 1: And and the reason I think this is a lot 2145 01:58:21,240 --> 01:58:23,160 Speaker 1: of this is happening is that, like, so do you 2146 01:58:23,240 --> 01:58:24,920 Speaker 1: have everyone remember a couple of years back when like 2147 01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:26,760 Speaker 1: a bunch of Indian and Chinese soldiers like be be 2148 01:58:26,840 --> 01:58:28,880 Speaker 1: each other to death in like the mountains with sticks. 2149 01:58:29,160 --> 01:58:31,880 Speaker 1: It was pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah, so like this is 2150 01:58:31,920 --> 01:58:34,760 Speaker 1: like a thing that there's there's been border disputes between 2151 01:58:34,840 --> 01:58:39,680 Speaker 1: China and India like since India was created basically like um, 2152 01:58:40,040 --> 01:58:43,360 Speaker 1: they they fought like okay, the the war that people 2153 01:58:43,480 --> 01:58:46,040 Speaker 1: want to talk about the least in the nineties two 2154 01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:49,920 Speaker 1: Sino Indian War where Mao just kind of like invaded 2155 01:58:50,440 --> 01:58:52,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of India and just like absolutely kicked the 2156 01:58:52,600 --> 01:58:54,080 Speaker 1: ship out of the Indian army. And this has been 2157 01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:56,680 Speaker 1: a sort of like there's this sort of like a 2158 01:58:56,760 --> 01:59:01,040 Speaker 1: recurring in like Indian nationalist like bug bear thing where 2159 01:59:01,120 --> 01:59:03,520 Speaker 1: like I mean when when border attentions flare up, like 2160 01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:06,800 Speaker 1: India people, you get a bunch of like really terribly 2161 01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:09,680 Speaker 1: animated things of like an Indian soldier with a giant 2162 01:59:09,760 --> 01:59:11,840 Speaker 1: staff like beating the shout of a dragon or something. 2163 01:59:12,320 --> 01:59:14,440 Speaker 1: This is just sort of like something that happens on 2164 01:59:14,480 --> 01:59:19,720 Speaker 1: like Indian right wing Twitter and Jordan Peterson ship. Yeah. Literally, 2165 01:59:19,960 --> 01:59:22,560 Speaker 1: like it's it's really funny because you get two of 2166 01:59:22,680 --> 01:59:25,840 Speaker 1: the like absolutely funniest Like you get the sort of 2167 01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:28,520 Speaker 1: like the Chinese like wolf warrior like accounts and the 2168 01:59:28,640 --> 01:59:30,600 Speaker 1: like b JP people going at it and it's just 2169 01:59:31,000 --> 01:59:33,160 Speaker 1: unbelievably funny to watch because they're too like two of 2170 01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:37,880 Speaker 1: the most like absolutely psychotic, like insane nationalists in the world, 2171 01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:39,240 Speaker 1: and you just you just gonna watch them fight for 2172 01:59:39,280 --> 01:59:42,440 Speaker 1: a bit and it's it's a good time. Unfortunately, like 2173 01:59:43,280 --> 01:59:48,320 Speaker 1: so these guys pick it up and it rapidly like okay, 2174 01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:50,160 Speaker 1: one of the things like that, there's there's right wing 2175 01:59:50,280 --> 01:59:58,400 Speaker 1: Indian astrologer was going to get overthrown stopping that's that's 2176 01:59:58,400 --> 02:00:03,840 Speaker 1: one of the words to this is ever Wait, that's 2177 02:00:03,920 --> 02:00:06,720 Speaker 1: kind of interesting to me. That's kind of interesting a 2178 02:00:06,920 --> 02:00:11,480 Speaker 1: right wing Indian astrology. There's a lot of people who 2179 02:00:11,480 --> 02:00:16,040 Speaker 1: are into astrologya and specifically a lot of that is 2180 02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:18,920 Speaker 1: very influential in the rs S, which is kind of 2181 02:00:19,000 --> 02:00:22,400 Speaker 1: the Indian fascist movement that is backing Mody, who's the 2182 02:00:22,440 --> 02:00:24,840 Speaker 1: guy who runs the country right now, Who's yeah, it's 2183 02:00:24,920 --> 02:00:28,160 Speaker 1: it's not it's not weird that that that that's happened. 2184 02:00:28,240 --> 02:00:31,280 Speaker 1: Given the context of Indian policy, it's not surprising to 2185 02:00:31,400 --> 02:00:34,280 Speaker 1: put it sucks. It does suck. It's for sure sucks. 2186 02:00:34,440 --> 02:00:36,840 Speaker 1: We can say that for certain I wonder what sign 2187 02:00:36,920 --> 02:00:45,320 Speaker 1: he is? Am I right? Guys fucking liberals? The energy 2188 02:00:45,360 --> 02:00:49,920 Speaker 1: actually so superbar in some swammy who was a guy? 2189 02:00:50,120 --> 02:00:53,280 Speaker 1: Who was this guy was a six term b JP MP, 2190 02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:55,560 Speaker 1: He was a he was a this man was a 2191 02:00:55,680 --> 02:00:59,920 Speaker 1: government minister. At one point starts tweeting about this whole 2192 02:01:00,080 --> 02:01:02,920 Speaker 1: thing and then like it just it's just like this 2193 02:01:03,080 --> 02:01:05,960 Speaker 1: thing just like goes through the actual Indian media sphere 2194 02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:09,480 Speaker 1: like fucking wildfire. Um. The z News, which is an 2195 02:01:09,480 --> 02:01:12,240 Speaker 1: outlet founded by the deceased right wing media like in 2196 02:01:12,320 --> 02:01:15,800 Speaker 1: Indian media billionaire Supross Chandra, who are rest and pissed 2197 02:01:15,800 --> 02:01:18,800 Speaker 1: by the way, died in August, runs a story called 2198 02:01:19,040 --> 02:01:22,600 Speaker 1: China Coup Beijing hiding something big jij and ping in 2199 02:01:22,720 --> 02:01:27,280 Speaker 1: deep trouble what rumors suggest. Like The fucking Economic Times, 2200 02:01:27,640 --> 02:01:30,480 Speaker 1: this is the second largest English language business paper in 2201 02:01:30,560 --> 02:01:34,400 Speaker 1: the world, runs a story titled quote Chinese President ge 2202 02:01:34,560 --> 02:01:36,960 Speaker 1: removed from power in a coup. Here's what we know 2203 02:01:37,120 --> 02:01:40,520 Speaker 1: so far is nuts. Like I mentioned this at the beginning, 2204 02:01:40,560 --> 02:01:41,760 Speaker 1: like what part of part of the reason this goes 2205 02:01:41,840 --> 02:01:44,920 Speaker 1: viral is that Republic media network like like like a 2206 02:01:45,240 --> 02:01:47,960 Speaker 1: probably India's largest TV network is just just runs with 2207 02:01:48,040 --> 02:01:52,160 Speaker 1: the fucking runs with it as a story and well 2208 02:01:52,200 --> 02:01:56,680 Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's like it's like there. I guess the 2209 02:01:56,720 --> 02:01:58,360 Speaker 1: way I would describe it as like they don't like 2210 02:01:58,520 --> 02:02:01,919 Speaker 1: Fox News has like a really really elaborate like like systems, 2211 02:02:01,960 --> 02:02:03,480 Speaker 1: because they've been doing this for ages where they have 2212 02:02:03,520 --> 02:02:07,280 Speaker 1: a very very elaborate system for like running like running 2213 02:02:07,280 --> 02:02:09,600 Speaker 1: a dumb thing from Twitter like and turning it into 2214 02:02:09,680 --> 02:02:13,080 Speaker 1: like turning into like a package story. Uh that this 2215 02:02:13,280 --> 02:02:15,080 Speaker 1: is not what's happening here. They are just live like 2216 02:02:15,240 --> 02:02:17,400 Speaker 1: live reporting from Twitter. And I think this is I 2217 02:02:17,400 --> 02:02:20,640 Speaker 1: don't know, like I think it's like it's it's it's 2218 02:02:20,720 --> 02:02:23,040 Speaker 1: it's a degree of laziness that like you see this 2219 02:02:23,120 --> 02:02:25,360 Speaker 1: in American journalism a lot too, where like people just 2220 02:02:25,480 --> 02:02:27,720 Speaker 1: literally report, like report Twitter like things that happened on 2221 02:02:27,760 --> 02:02:29,680 Speaker 1: Twitter like this. This this is how. This is how 2222 02:02:29,720 --> 02:02:32,160 Speaker 1: like gobblin mode became a thing. Like there's a lot 2223 02:02:32,200 --> 02:02:33,480 Speaker 1: of stories that are just it's just looking to Twitter 2224 02:02:33,600 --> 02:02:36,280 Speaker 1: and they're basically doing this. And part of the everything 2225 02:02:36,280 --> 02:02:37,840 Speaker 1: that's going on here is that, like you know, so 2226 02:02:38,680 --> 02:02:42,040 Speaker 1: like Indian media has just become increasingly right wing over 2227 02:02:42,080 --> 02:02:44,440 Speaker 1: the past decade, and they've gotten like increasingly more fascists 2228 02:02:44,440 --> 02:02:45,560 Speaker 1: and when you and you know, the everything is like 2229 02:02:45,600 --> 02:02:50,320 Speaker 1: fascists are incompetent and like this is basically the result 2230 02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:52,880 Speaker 1: of the sort of hollowing out of the Indian media sphere, 2231 02:02:53,000 --> 02:02:55,840 Speaker 1: is that these like Matt, like these absolutely titanic like 2232 02:02:55,960 --> 02:02:58,360 Speaker 1: cable and news networks are running this just like like 2233 02:02:58,680 --> 02:03:01,600 Speaker 1: stuff that is so bull ship that like like the 2234 02:03:01,720 --> 02:03:05,440 Speaker 1: fucking newsman, Like there was a news Max anchor, Grant 2235 02:03:05,560 --> 02:03:08,520 Speaker 1: stitching Field, which was a news Max host like has 2236 02:03:08,560 --> 02:03:10,920 Speaker 1: like a video about this, and the video both starts 2237 02:03:11,000 --> 02:03:13,600 Speaker 1: and ends with him going this is probably bullshit, and 2238 02:03:13,640 --> 02:03:16,280 Speaker 1: then in the middle there's like some incomprehensible thing that 2239 02:03:16,400 --> 02:03:20,040 Speaker 1: he like half read an Ebuk Times article didn't understand. 2240 02:03:20,120 --> 02:03:23,680 Speaker 1: He starts ranting about like the general of the Northern 2241 02:03:23,760 --> 02:03:25,920 Speaker 1: War who has just been relieved of his duties as 2242 02:03:25,920 --> 02:03:29,280 Speaker 1: a direct quote, by the way, absolutely nonsense, Like yeah, 2243 02:03:29,320 --> 02:03:31,120 Speaker 1: but like even even those guys were kind of like 2244 02:03:31,280 --> 02:03:34,320 Speaker 1: this is whack, like we we can't run with this. 2245 02:03:34,480 --> 02:03:37,320 Speaker 1: But that like the sort of like like the the 2246 02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:43,120 Speaker 1: sort of like Indian fascists people are like so incredibly 2247 02:03:43,200 --> 02:03:45,840 Speaker 1: desperate for just like any like like even more so 2248 02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:47,920 Speaker 1: than the American right and more are desperate for just 2249 02:03:48,040 --> 02:03:50,160 Speaker 1: like here's an anti China story we can just sort 2250 02:03:50,160 --> 02:03:52,400 Speaker 1: of like throw out because of the sort of increased 2251 02:03:52,400 --> 02:03:55,920 Speaker 1: tensions around the border, etc. This stuff just this stuff 2252 02:03:56,000 --> 02:04:00,600 Speaker 1: just explodes. Um And eventually you get like that the 2253 02:04:00,720 --> 02:04:04,800 Speaker 1: Indian media outlets who are like still actual like outlets 2254 02:04:05,040 --> 02:04:07,480 Speaker 1: who are like, hey, guys, this is nonsense, like the 2255 02:04:07,600 --> 02:04:09,920 Speaker 1: Hindu stand Times and the Tribune and write stories that 2256 02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:13,880 Speaker 1: are like really, like are you guys kidding me? Like 2257 02:04:14,000 --> 02:04:19,680 Speaker 1: come on, this is like obviously fake. Um yeah, and 2258 02:04:19,800 --> 02:04:21,440 Speaker 1: and and and at certain point, like this whole thing 2259 02:04:21,480 --> 02:04:23,240 Speaker 1: is it's sort of like phase, but it has this 2260 02:04:23,720 --> 02:04:25,560 Speaker 1: there's there's no there's. But then there's a sort of 2261 02:04:25,640 --> 02:04:27,920 Speaker 1: second wave of it, which is there are a bunch 2262 02:04:27,960 --> 02:04:32,560 Speaker 1: of people who are like weird like Chinese dissident quote 2263 02:04:32,640 --> 02:04:35,520 Speaker 1: unquote people but who aren't like who aren't following Gong, 2264 02:04:35,640 --> 02:04:38,560 Speaker 1: people who like looked at this and we're like, this 2265 02:04:38,720 --> 02:04:40,600 Speaker 1: is obviously a lie. I'm not going to jump in 2266 02:04:40,640 --> 02:04:42,920 Speaker 1: on this leave of the bulshit. But then we're like, okay, 2267 02:04:42,960 --> 02:04:46,280 Speaker 1: I've got a second layer of this. Um there there 2268 02:04:46,400 --> 02:04:49,560 Speaker 1: there's there's someone Dr Lee Magnyan who's like she's like 2269 02:04:49,600 --> 02:04:52,640 Speaker 1: an old school like COVID bio, like bioweapon, like lab 2270 02:04:52,760 --> 02:04:57,920 Speaker 1: truther person um. She was like okay, okay, no, no, no, 2271 02:04:58,080 --> 02:05:00,560 Speaker 1: hold on, hold up, what's happening here? That this whole 2272 02:05:00,680 --> 02:05:04,960 Speaker 1: discourse was a she jumping op to distract everyone from 2273 02:05:05,000 --> 02:05:07,240 Speaker 1: the the alliance with Putin that he's going to announce 2274 02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:12,680 Speaker 1: at the party Conquerors. Yeah, and like like he needs 2275 02:05:12,720 --> 02:05:14,760 Speaker 1: to like secretly cover up the fact that he's going 2276 02:05:14,800 --> 02:05:17,480 Speaker 1: to create an alliance to destroy the free world. It's 2277 02:05:17,600 --> 02:05:20,280 Speaker 1: just like it's it's it's a real it's a it's 2278 02:05:20,320 --> 02:05:23,040 Speaker 1: a real circus of just like like all like you 2279 02:05:23,200 --> 02:05:24,760 Speaker 1: you gotta see like this whole sort of second and 2280 02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:27,200 Speaker 1: third waves of media grifters like looking at this story 2281 02:05:27,320 --> 02:05:29,160 Speaker 1: of being like okay, how do we spin this out? 2282 02:05:29,480 --> 02:05:31,880 Speaker 1: And it's I don't know, like I I feel like 2283 02:05:31,920 --> 02:05:34,240 Speaker 1: that this is a part of like this part of Twitter, 2284 02:05:34,520 --> 02:05:37,640 Speaker 1: like the sort of like it's just this kind of 2285 02:05:37,720 --> 02:05:41,480 Speaker 1: there's a kind of intersection of like weird Chinese cranks 2286 02:05:42,120 --> 02:05:45,680 Speaker 1: and like China Watch or Twitter where you get a 2287 02:05:45,760 --> 02:05:49,480 Speaker 1: bunch of these very weird things. But yeah, I've talked 2288 02:05:49,520 --> 02:05:51,200 Speaker 1: about this, but like the thing's interesting to me is 2289 02:05:51,240 --> 02:05:52,880 Speaker 1: it's like the sent to which the right doesn't pick 2290 02:05:52,920 --> 02:05:54,040 Speaker 1: this up, like this is the kind of thing like 2291 02:05:54,120 --> 02:05:56,360 Speaker 1: you would expect like Alex Jones to be talking about, 2292 02:05:56,840 --> 02:05:59,520 Speaker 1: and especially I can tell like Alex Jones doesn't cover 2293 02:05:59,720 --> 02:06:05,040 Speaker 1: like fucking Bucky Barnes, like e talks about it like briefly, 2294 02:06:05,600 --> 02:06:08,080 Speaker 1: like on like but like while Alex has like walked 2295 02:06:08,120 --> 02:06:11,000 Speaker 1: out of the room, talks about it for like five 2296 02:06:11,080 --> 02:06:14,200 Speaker 1: seconds and then stops, and I was like, really, like 2297 02:06:14,280 --> 02:06:18,360 Speaker 1: Alex Jones is gonna cover this, like uh, maybe it's 2298 02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:22,360 Speaker 1: It's possible I missed part of it. Paying is is 2299 02:06:22,640 --> 02:06:26,960 Speaker 1: if like less secure in power and can be overthrown 2300 02:06:27,200 --> 02:06:29,840 Speaker 1: by other elements in the Chinese government than China is 2301 02:06:29,920 --> 02:06:32,400 Speaker 1: kind of less scary that Alex Jones. Ten's Yeah, that's 2302 02:06:33,040 --> 02:06:36,280 Speaker 1: so that's might be part of it. Yeah, we'll give 2303 02:06:36,360 --> 02:06:39,000 Speaker 1: him some time. Maybe he'll get on this later. Yeah, 2304 02:06:39,040 --> 02:06:41,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. He's got a lot going on right now. Yeah. 2305 02:06:43,960 --> 02:06:45,800 Speaker 1: Oh god, Okay, So the last thing I want to 2306 02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:48,640 Speaker 1: talk about is like, so I've been saying I'm talking 2307 02:06:48,640 --> 02:06:52,000 Speaker 1: about China watchers this whole time. There's like basically there's 2308 02:06:52,040 --> 02:06:56,600 Speaker 1: kind of a academic careers last profession like in the us. 2309 02:06:56,760 --> 02:06:58,880 Speaker 1: That's like being a China watcher. And so you get 2310 02:06:58,920 --> 02:07:01,920 Speaker 1: like some internationally degree, you get some like cultural studies degree, 2311 02:07:01,960 --> 02:07:03,000 Speaker 1: and you go to China for a bit and you 2312 02:07:03,080 --> 02:07:05,440 Speaker 1: come back and then like your job is to write 2313 02:07:05,480 --> 02:07:10,240 Speaker 1: about like the inscrutable Oriental mind. And I they're like 2314 02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:11,560 Speaker 1: one or two of these people are like a couple 2315 02:07:11,600 --> 02:07:13,360 Speaker 1: of these people who are like have some respect for 2316 02:07:14,640 --> 02:07:19,640 Speaker 1: real at large. I literally cannot with these people. Um, well, 2317 02:07:19,800 --> 02:07:21,600 Speaker 1: so what did the Guardian writing an article about this 2318 02:07:21,720 --> 02:07:23,480 Speaker 1: later on? And they're like yeah, because this is not happening. 2319 02:07:23,800 --> 02:07:26,200 Speaker 1: But the guy they quote writes in a Twitter threat, 2320 02:07:26,280 --> 02:07:29,920 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read this tweet because I Jesus Christ. 2321 02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:33,560 Speaker 1: A palace coup in a time of political pressuurization is 2322 02:07:33,600 --> 02:07:38,200 Speaker 1: not implausible. Gorbachevan Yeltson were detained during the USSR Russia 2323 02:07:38,320 --> 02:07:42,040 Speaker 1: transition period. A coup is not an anathema to China either. 2324 02:07:42,640 --> 02:07:47,520 Speaker 1: Emperor kuang Hu was arrested by dowager Empress Sishi when 2325 02:07:47,560 --> 02:07:50,080 Speaker 1: he attempted reforms that, by the way, the same the 2326 02:07:50,120 --> 02:07:52,360 Speaker 1: second thing he's talking about that is from like I 2327 02:07:52,400 --> 02:07:57,800 Speaker 1: think it's eighteen nine, is the last coup he can find, 2328 02:07:58,240 --> 02:08:00,840 Speaker 1: Like you can just say ship like there's a ti 2329 02:08:00,960 --> 02:08:02,720 Speaker 1: like you you would you could literally say whatever the 2330 02:08:02,720 --> 02:08:05,040 Speaker 1: funk you want, and people will be like, oh yeah, no, no, no, 2331 02:08:06,160 --> 02:08:08,680 Speaker 1: this coup. That is literally two political there are there 2332 02:08:08,720 --> 02:08:12,800 Speaker 1: are two entire political systems that China has had between 2333 02:08:13,120 --> 02:08:17,560 Speaker 1: right now and the time that the emperor's regent like 2334 02:08:18,200 --> 02:08:23,680 Speaker 1: overthrew the the emperor to stop, like just just come on, 2335 02:08:24,760 --> 02:08:29,160 Speaker 1: like why why why why are people allowed to say this? 2336 02:08:29,320 --> 02:08:31,200 Speaker 1: Like why why are people allowed to go oh yeah, 2337 02:08:31,560 --> 02:08:34,440 Speaker 1: Gorba Trough and Yelton got cooed. So that means that 2338 02:08:34,480 --> 02:08:37,800 Speaker 1: there can be a coup in China like this this 2339 02:08:37,960 --> 02:08:40,480 Speaker 1: this is one of the experts, Like I just like 2340 02:08:40,520 --> 02:08:43,360 Speaker 1: like one of these every single every single one of 2341 02:08:43,360 --> 02:08:45,240 Speaker 1: these articles has this passage where they're like, oh, well, 2342 02:08:45,280 --> 02:08:47,080 Speaker 1: part of the reason why this happening is because the 2343 02:08:47,240 --> 02:08:50,840 Speaker 1: Chinese government is so unbelievably not transparent, and I'm like, no, like, 2344 02:08:51,320 --> 02:08:52,920 Speaker 1: part of the reasons this is happening is because you 2345 02:08:53,000 --> 02:08:56,040 Speaker 1: guys just literally will say bullshit, which means that people 2346 02:08:56,040 --> 02:08:58,440 Speaker 1: will just believe like literally you can just say anything 2347 02:08:58,440 --> 02:09:00,960 Speaker 1: about China. You can say it like it's all like 2348 02:09:01,080 --> 02:09:04,200 Speaker 1: it all comes down once again as every problem in 2349 02:09:04,240 --> 02:09:06,280 Speaker 1: the world does to the twenty far hour news cycle. 2350 02:09:06,360 --> 02:09:08,800 Speaker 1: Where is this bullshit? Sure, but like got to fill 2351 02:09:08,880 --> 02:09:11,320 Speaker 1: air time. It's happening right now. People are talking about it, 2352 02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:13,160 Speaker 1: so we get to talk about it. We don't have 2353 02:09:13,280 --> 02:09:15,240 Speaker 1: to say it's true. We can just like talk about 2354 02:09:15,320 --> 02:09:18,360 Speaker 1: it and then we filled some airtime and uh, you know, 2355 02:09:18,560 --> 02:09:21,680 Speaker 1: we keep making money. It's good and now we're talking 2356 02:09:21,720 --> 02:09:25,600 Speaker 1: about it. Yeah. And it's like, if it's a topic 2357 02:09:25,680 --> 02:09:29,160 Speaker 1: that people are not like, I'm gonna say something, then 2358 02:09:29,240 --> 02:09:31,200 Speaker 1: add a caveat. If it's a topic that people are 2359 02:09:31,520 --> 02:09:34,920 Speaker 1: not very knowledgeable about, like the inner workings of Chinese politics, 2360 02:09:35,120 --> 02:09:36,680 Speaker 1: then they're going to be easier to believe it now 2361 02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:40,120 Speaker 1: even now. Obviously the strategy can work even for topics 2362 02:09:40,200 --> 02:09:43,960 Speaker 1: that people are knowledgeable about sometimes um, but especially in 2363 02:09:44,080 --> 02:09:48,280 Speaker 1: something related to like foreign countries that most Americans know 2364 02:09:48,480 --> 02:09:50,840 Speaker 1: very little about, then yeah, that's super easy to believe. 2365 02:09:50,960 --> 02:09:53,640 Speaker 1: Like remember a few years ago when everyone convinced themselves 2366 02:09:54,200 --> 02:10:01,840 Speaker 1: that uh, Kim jongoon died. Yeah, yeah, because because people 2367 02:10:02,040 --> 02:10:05,080 Speaker 1: because people are really to believe something. It's yeah, it's 2368 02:10:05,160 --> 02:10:06,880 Speaker 1: like like they're there, there's there's there's a thing I've 2369 02:10:06,880 --> 02:10:08,120 Speaker 1: been like I've run into a lot where like that 2370 02:10:08,200 --> 02:10:09,880 Speaker 1: there's there's a bunch of like there's a bunch of 2371 02:10:09,920 --> 02:10:13,320 Speaker 1: people in the American left who's like basically and I 2372 02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:15,760 Speaker 1: don't even really know how they came to believe this, 2373 02:10:15,880 --> 02:10:18,400 Speaker 1: because this isn't something that the CCP even says about itself, 2374 02:10:18,920 --> 02:10:20,760 Speaker 1: but like they've they've come to believe that China has 2375 02:10:20,840 --> 02:10:22,680 Speaker 1: universal health care, which it doesn't. They used to have 2376 02:10:22,800 --> 02:10:24,360 Speaker 1: one and then they got rid of it, like they 2377 02:10:24,600 --> 02:10:27,360 Speaker 1: literally dismantled the universal health there system. Like there are 2378 02:10:27,360 --> 02:10:29,320 Speaker 1: people who believe that like like China has like a 2379 02:10:29,480 --> 02:10:31,760 Speaker 1: right to housing and that everyone in China just gets 2380 02:10:31,800 --> 02:10:34,320 Speaker 1: a house and and like like this is all of 2381 02:10:34,400 --> 02:10:38,200 Speaker 1: this ship that's like it just has like it's it's 2382 02:10:38,240 --> 02:10:40,760 Speaker 1: so completely uncoupled from reality that like I can't I 2383 02:10:40,840 --> 02:10:43,000 Speaker 1: can't even trace the source to where they got this stuff. 2384 02:10:43,000 --> 02:10:45,400 Speaker 1: But it's really easy to spread because yeah, it's just 2385 02:10:45,400 --> 02:10:48,040 Speaker 1: like nobody knows any especially like yeah, it's it's a 2386 02:10:48,080 --> 02:10:50,720 Speaker 1: foreign country, nobody knows anything about it, and you can 2387 02:10:50,840 --> 02:10:53,120 Speaker 1: and like the actual people who are experts will just 2388 02:10:53,400 --> 02:10:56,800 Speaker 1: like start spouting shit about how it's plausible there could 2389 02:10:56,800 --> 02:11:00,200 Speaker 1: be a coup against Ji jimping because fucking emperor was 2390 02:11:00,280 --> 02:11:04,160 Speaker 1: overthrown a hundred, a hundred and twenty four years ago. 2391 02:11:05,120 --> 02:11:12,640 Speaker 1: Like it's it's it's endlessly frustrating. And yeah, anyway, so 2392 02:11:14,880 --> 02:11:21,680 Speaker 1: don't don't use the internet, attack global communications infrastructure. Um 2393 02:11:22,760 --> 02:11:26,040 Speaker 1: and yeah, buy gold, buy some gold. And if you 2394 02:11:26,080 --> 02:11:29,960 Speaker 1: see something on Twitter or really anywhere online, instantly believe 2395 02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:34,080 Speaker 1: it no matter what it is. Yeah, live your life 2396 02:11:34,120 --> 02:11:37,560 Speaker 1: that way, it's it's fine. Also, should we plug our 2397 02:11:37,800 --> 02:11:42,520 Speaker 1: our lives our live show that Yeah, so we're doing 2398 02:11:42,640 --> 02:11:47,280 Speaker 1: a live virtual it could happen here and Q and 2399 02:11:47,360 --> 02:11:51,000 Speaker 1: A the entire squad will be there. You can get 2400 02:11:51,080 --> 02:11:56,760 Speaker 1: tickets from moment, dot ceo, slash I c h ah. 2401 02:11:56,880 --> 02:11:59,320 Speaker 1: It's all over our socials if you're looking for it, 2402 02:11:59,680 --> 02:12:03,520 Speaker 1: and that will be on October that's six pm Pacific time. 2403 02:12:04,680 --> 02:12:10,080 Speaker 1: Mark your calendars, market calendars, calendar, dot ceo, slash I 2404 02:12:10,400 --> 02:12:15,520 Speaker 1: c h h. I feel that was beautiful. Good for you, Sophie, 2405 02:12:15,640 --> 02:12:18,120 Speaker 1: And I know we've had a lot of debate about 2406 02:12:18,120 --> 02:12:20,400 Speaker 1: what we're gonna be talking about, and I think one 2407 02:12:20,400 --> 02:12:22,920 Speaker 1: of the most important things in current events right now 2408 02:12:23,000 --> 02:12:25,839 Speaker 1: that kind of indicates the kind of collapse of American 2409 02:12:25,920 --> 02:12:28,760 Speaker 1: society is all of the Try Guys discourse. So we 2410 02:12:28,840 --> 02:12:33,520 Speaker 1: are going to be preparing a two hour Try Guys 2411 02:12:33,880 --> 02:12:36,480 Speaker 1: two hours, two hour presentation on the evolution of the 2412 02:12:36,520 --> 02:12:39,320 Speaker 1: Try Guys discourse and what really happened behind the scenes 2413 02:12:39,560 --> 02:12:42,520 Speaker 1: and how it impacts American politics. Going spoilers, none of 2414 02:12:42,600 --> 02:13:04,320 Speaker 1: them were ever married. Bye, hello, and welcome to it 2415 02:13:04,440 --> 02:13:08,240 Speaker 1: could happen here. This is Sharine, and you are listening 2416 02:13:08,320 --> 02:13:12,000 Speaker 1: to the first of two parts of the little series. 2417 02:13:12,080 --> 02:13:15,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to do about Yemen. I think, Um, I've 2418 02:13:15,720 --> 02:13:19,880 Speaker 1: been really interested in the history of countries that are 2419 02:13:19,960 --> 02:13:24,120 Speaker 1: currently in turmoil because understanding the history of how they 2420 02:13:24,200 --> 02:13:28,720 Speaker 1: got there is usually so important to understanding their present. 2421 02:13:29,360 --> 02:13:31,600 Speaker 1: So Yemen is one of those places I think that 2422 02:13:31,880 --> 02:13:36,000 Speaker 1: is always in the news as experiencing something horrific, and 2423 02:13:37,400 --> 02:13:41,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to know exactly how we got to where 2424 02:13:41,240 --> 02:13:45,280 Speaker 1: we are. So I wanted to focus on primarily modern 2425 02:13:45,440 --> 02:13:48,560 Speaker 1: events in the last several years, for example. And so 2426 02:13:48,720 --> 02:13:51,640 Speaker 1: this first episode is going to cover everything up till 2427 02:13:51,720 --> 02:13:54,920 Speaker 1: two eighteen, and then our next episode will cover the 2428 02:13:55,080 --> 02:14:00,280 Speaker 1: years after that. But before we jump to the modern times, 2429 02:14:00,360 --> 02:14:02,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to do a chronology of some key events 2430 02:14:02,600 --> 02:14:06,440 Speaker 1: that had led up to uh the nineteen nineties essentially, 2431 02:14:07,080 --> 02:14:10,120 Speaker 1: So we're gonna rewind all the way back to the 2432 02:14:10,240 --> 02:14:13,360 Speaker 1: fifteen hundreds. I know, but still the stuff is interesting 2433 02:14:13,440 --> 02:14:15,440 Speaker 1: to me. I hope it is to YouTube. Let's get 2434 02:14:15,480 --> 02:14:18,760 Speaker 1: into it. In the fifteen hundreds, the Ottomans absorbed part 2435 02:14:18,840 --> 02:14:21,480 Speaker 1: of Yemen into their empire, but they're expelled in the 2436 02:14:21,560 --> 02:14:26,879 Speaker 1: sixteen hundreds. Centuries later, in eighteen thirty nine, Aiden Yemen's 2437 02:14:26,920 --> 02:14:30,560 Speaker 1: capital comes under British rule, and then when the Suez 2438 02:14:30,600 --> 02:14:33,920 Speaker 1: Canal opens up in eighteen sixty nine, the city serves 2439 02:14:34,000 --> 02:14:37,920 Speaker 1: as a major refueling port. In eighteen forty nine, the 2440 02:14:37,960 --> 02:14:41,480 Speaker 1: Ottomans returned to the north of Yemen. However, around World 2441 02:14:41,520 --> 02:14:44,880 Speaker 1: War One in nineteen eighteen, the Ottoman Empire dissolves and 2442 02:14:45,200 --> 02:14:49,240 Speaker 1: North Yemen gains independence and is ruled by Imam Yahiah. 2443 02:14:50,240 --> 02:14:53,640 Speaker 1: After thirty years in power, in nineteen forty eight, Yahya 2444 02:14:53,800 --> 02:14:57,320 Speaker 1: is assassinated. So many things happened in nineteen forty eight. 2445 02:14:57,440 --> 02:15:00,240 Speaker 1: I swear to God that years cursed. But anyway, after 2446 02:15:00,480 --> 02:15:04,280 Speaker 1: has assassinated, his son Ahmed fights off opponents of feudal 2447 02:15:04,440 --> 02:15:08,680 Speaker 1: rule and he succeeds his father. In sixty two, Imam 2448 02:15:08,760 --> 02:15:12,400 Speaker 1: Ahmed dies and he succeeded by his son. However, army 2449 02:15:12,480 --> 02:15:15,320 Speaker 1: officers then sees power and they set up the Yemen 2450 02:15:15,440 --> 02:15:19,160 Speaker 1: Arab Republic and this sparks a civil war between royalists 2451 02:15:19,200 --> 02:15:22,920 Speaker 1: supported by Saudi Arabia and the Republicans. Essentially they are 2452 02:15:22,960 --> 02:15:26,920 Speaker 1: backed by Egypt. In nineteen sixty seven, Britain withdraws from 2453 02:15:26,960 --> 02:15:30,040 Speaker 1: the South of Yemen after years of a pro independence 2454 02:15:30,080 --> 02:15:34,000 Speaker 1: and surgency, and its former territories unite as the People's 2455 02:15:34,040 --> 02:15:37,880 Speaker 1: Republic of Yemen. In nineteen sixty nine, a communist coup 2456 02:15:38,200 --> 02:15:41,440 Speaker 1: renamed the South of Yemen the People's Democratic Republic of 2457 02:15:41,520 --> 02:15:45,640 Speaker 1: Yemen and reorients it towards the Soviet Block. The Soviet 2458 02:15:45,680 --> 02:15:48,080 Speaker 1: Block a k a. The Eastern Bloc for those that 2459 02:15:48,160 --> 02:15:51,080 Speaker 1: need a quick refresher like I did. It's also known 2460 02:15:51,120 --> 02:15:54,360 Speaker 1: as the Communist Block, the Socialist Bloc, and the Soviet Block, 2461 02:15:54,720 --> 02:15:57,000 Speaker 1: and it was the group of socialist states in Central 2462 02:15:57,040 --> 02:16:00,320 Speaker 1: and Eastern Europe, East Asia, Southeast Asia after cut in 2463 02:16:00,360 --> 02:16:02,960 Speaker 1: Latin America that was under the influence of the Soviet 2464 02:16:03,080 --> 02:16:06,920 Speaker 1: Union that existed during the Cold War. In nineteen seventy, 2465 02:16:07,040 --> 02:16:10,160 Speaker 1: Republican forces in Yemen triumph in the North Yemen Civil 2466 02:16:10,200 --> 02:16:13,960 Speaker 1: War in seventy two. There are border classes between the 2467 02:16:14,040 --> 02:16:17,080 Speaker 1: two Yemen's the North and the South, and a ceasefire 2468 02:16:17,240 --> 02:16:20,680 Speaker 1: is broken by the Arab League. In nineteen seventy eight, 2469 02:16:20,880 --> 02:16:25,240 Speaker 1: Ali becomes President of North Yemen. He's gonna be popping 2470 02:16:25,320 --> 02:16:29,320 Speaker 1: up a lot in this history and also some modern times. 2471 02:16:29,440 --> 02:16:33,360 Speaker 1: So is a name that we should remember going forward. 2472 02:16:33,959 --> 02:16:36,720 Speaker 1: In seventy nine, a year after saw That becomes president, 2473 02:16:36,879 --> 02:16:40,520 Speaker 1: there's new fighting that begins between the two Yemens. In 2474 02:16:40,640 --> 02:16:44,320 Speaker 1: eighty six, about seven years later, thousands die in a 2475 02:16:44,360 --> 02:16:47,280 Speaker 1: power struggle in the South, which effectively drives the first 2476 02:16:47,360 --> 02:16:51,440 Speaker 1: generation of leaders from office. Hight that Abubuk of Us 2477 02:16:51,720 --> 02:16:55,000 Speaker 1: then takes over and begins to work towards the unification 2478 02:16:55,200 --> 02:16:59,480 Speaker 1: of these two states in Yemen. However, this unification is 2479 02:16:59,600 --> 02:17:03,280 Speaker 1: pretty uneasy in the early years in the nineteen nineties. 2480 02:17:03,480 --> 02:17:06,800 Speaker 1: After the reunification of Yemen in May of nineteen nine, 2481 02:17:08,320 --> 02:17:11,360 Speaker 1: transitions from President of North Yemen Opposed that he had 2482 02:17:11,400 --> 02:17:14,480 Speaker 1: held since nineteen seventy eight to the President of the 2483 02:17:14,560 --> 02:17:17,560 Speaker 1: Republic of Yemen. At the same time, the z d 2484 02:17:17,720 --> 02:17:21,600 Speaker 1: Shia group on Subtle Allah or the Hoothies gradually gained power, 2485 02:17:22,040 --> 02:17:24,880 Speaker 1: and the group's rise has at this point the tacit 2486 02:17:24,920 --> 02:17:28,080 Speaker 1: support of President saw That. At this point, the Soviet 2487 02:17:28,160 --> 02:17:32,720 Speaker 1: Bloc implodes the tension between these former states indoors, even 2488 02:17:32,760 --> 02:17:35,240 Speaker 1: though they're technically supposed to be united. At this point, 2489 02:17:35,360 --> 02:17:37,520 Speaker 1: the former states of Yemen is what I'm talking about here, 2490 02:17:37,879 --> 02:17:41,920 Speaker 1: So we block is over, so a civil war begins. 2491 02:17:42,440 --> 02:17:46,600 Speaker 1: Just years after the reunification of Yemen, the unintegrated armies 2492 02:17:46,640 --> 02:17:49,120 Speaker 1: of the North and the South face off, resulting in 2493 02:17:49,200 --> 02:17:51,560 Speaker 1: a brief civil war that resulted in the defeat of 2494 02:17:51,600 --> 02:17:55,280 Speaker 1: the Southern army and short up Yemen's reunification. In May 2495 02:17:55,360 --> 02:17:58,160 Speaker 1: of July of that year, President saw That declares a 2496 02:17:58,280 --> 02:18:02,720 Speaker 1: state of emergency and dismisses Vice President Alibad and other 2497 02:18:02,760 --> 02:18:06,000 Speaker 1: Southern officials who declare the secession of the South before 2498 02:18:06,080 --> 02:18:11,800 Speaker 1: being defeated by the National Army. A year later, Yemen 2499 02:18:11,959 --> 02:18:15,840 Speaker 1: and Ratria clash over the disputed Haniche Islands in the 2500 02:18:15,920 --> 02:18:20,080 Speaker 1: Red Sea. International arbitration awarded the bulk of these islands 2501 02:18:20,200 --> 02:18:24,720 Speaker 1: later to Yemen. In this brings us to the two thousands, 2502 02:18:24,840 --> 02:18:27,960 Speaker 1: which introduces al Qaeda into Yemen, and I guess the 2503 02:18:28,040 --> 02:18:31,120 Speaker 1: rest of the world. But in two thousand, President saw 2504 02:18:31,200 --> 02:18:34,879 Speaker 1: That reaches a border demarcation agreement with Saudi Arabia which 2505 02:18:34,959 --> 02:18:37,520 Speaker 1: is known as the Treaty of Jedda, and he seeks 2506 02:18:37,560 --> 02:18:40,560 Speaker 1: to disarm the Hoothies, whom he had previously viewed as 2507 02:18:40,560 --> 02:18:44,440 Speaker 1: a useful weapon against Saudi interference in Yemen. In October 2508 02:18:44,520 --> 02:18:47,520 Speaker 1: of that year, the U S Naval vessel USS Coal 2509 02:18:47,840 --> 02:18:52,440 Speaker 1: is damaged in an Alcada suicide attack in Aiden. Seventeen 2510 02:18:52,720 --> 02:18:56,240 Speaker 1: U S personnel are killed with this attack. In February 2511 02:18:56,280 --> 02:18:59,160 Speaker 1: two thousand and two, Yemen expels more than a hundred 2512 02:18:59,280 --> 02:19:03,640 Speaker 1: foreign Islam mcclaric's in a crackdown on al Qaeda. In 2513 02:19:03,720 --> 02:19:06,959 Speaker 1: October of that year, al Qaeda attacks and badly damages 2514 02:19:07,120 --> 02:19:10,480 Speaker 1: the oil supertanker m vy Limburgh in the Gulf of Aiden, 2515 02:19:10,840 --> 02:19:14,279 Speaker 1: and this kills one person and injures twelve other crew members, 2516 02:19:14,520 --> 02:19:16,880 Speaker 1: and it also costs Yemen a lot of money in 2517 02:19:17,200 --> 02:19:20,760 Speaker 1: lost ports revenues. Between two thousand and four and two 2518 02:19:20,760 --> 02:19:24,720 Speaker 1: thousand and ten. Is the Hoothy Insurgency or the Hoothy Rebellion? 2519 02:19:25,320 --> 02:19:28,360 Speaker 1: Tensions run high at this point between Sauce government and 2520 02:19:28,400 --> 02:19:32,120 Speaker 1: the Hoofies. After Sawce border deal with Saudi Arabia. The 2521 02:19:32,200 --> 02:19:35,720 Speaker 1: Hoothies are led by Hussain Badadadana Hoothie at this time, 2522 02:19:36,240 --> 02:19:39,960 Speaker 1: and Houthi eventually leads a rebellion against the MNI government 2523 02:19:40,080 --> 02:19:43,400 Speaker 1: into thousand and four. In June through August of this year, 2524 02:19:43,680 --> 02:19:47,360 Speaker 1: hundreds die as troops battle the Shia insurgency that is 2525 02:19:47,440 --> 02:19:50,120 Speaker 1: led by her Sanna Hoothi in the north. Starting in 2526 02:19:50,200 --> 02:19:53,160 Speaker 1: June of two tho four saw this government begins arresting 2527 02:19:53,320 --> 02:19:56,240 Speaker 1: hundreds of Hoothy members and issues a reward for her 2528 02:19:56,320 --> 02:20:00,440 Speaker 1: saying Baddan and Hoothies arrest the leader of the Huthie's. 2529 02:20:01,400 --> 02:20:05,160 Speaker 1: This fighting continues until al Huthi is killed in September 2530 02:20:05,280 --> 02:20:08,440 Speaker 1: of two thousand and four. In two thousand and five, 2531 02:20:08,760 --> 02:20:11,920 Speaker 1: between March and April, fighting between the Hoothies, which are 2532 02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:16,920 Speaker 1: now led by Hussain's brother Abdi Huthi, and government forces 2533 02:20:17,040 --> 02:20:21,120 Speaker 1: surges and this leaves hundreds dead. More than two hundred 2534 02:20:21,200 --> 02:20:24,440 Speaker 1: people are killed in a resurgence of fighting between government 2535 02:20:24,520 --> 02:20:28,120 Speaker 1: forces and the supporters of the previously slain leader of 2536 02:20:28,160 --> 02:20:31,200 Speaker 1: the Hoothies, Hussan and Huthi, who had died before his 2537 02:20:31,280 --> 02:20:34,760 Speaker 1: brother had took power and this fighting ceases after the 2538 02:20:34,879 --> 02:20:37,720 Speaker 1: sides reach an agreement, resulting in the surrender of the 2539 02:20:37,800 --> 02:20:42,000 Speaker 1: Hoothies top military commander. Between two thousand and five thousand 2540 02:20:42,040 --> 02:20:45,640 Speaker 1: and six. These sporadic clashes between the government and the 2541 02:20:45,680 --> 02:20:49,440 Speaker 1: Houthis continue, but in March two thousand and six President 2542 02:20:49,520 --> 02:20:53,640 Speaker 1: saw Grant's amnesty to six hundred Hoothie fighters. I think 2543 02:20:54,000 --> 02:20:57,160 Speaker 1: this is part of the reason that President saw That 2544 02:20:57,280 --> 02:20:59,880 Speaker 1: goes on to win the two thousand and six election 2545 02:21:00,160 --> 02:21:03,840 Speaker 1: and remains president. However, in early tw thousand and seven, 2546 02:21:03,959 --> 02:21:07,640 Speaker 1: the Hoothy rebels and Sluce government again find themselves at odds. 2547 02:21:08,200 --> 02:21:11,440 Speaker 1: Fighting continues for five months and many are killed or 2548 02:21:11,520 --> 02:21:15,640 Speaker 1: wounded in the clashes between security forces and Hoothy rebels 2549 02:21:15,640 --> 02:21:20,480 Speaker 1: in the north. This continues until rebel leader Omnica Hoothy 2550 02:21:20,959 --> 02:21:23,760 Speaker 1: accepts a cease fire agreement with saw There and this 2551 02:21:23,879 --> 02:21:27,280 Speaker 1: happens in June thou seven. With the help of the 2552 02:21:27,360 --> 02:21:30,560 Speaker 1: ceasefire had not turned a year old when even more 2553 02:21:30,680 --> 02:21:33,840 Speaker 1: fighting breaks out between the government and the rebels. By 2554 02:21:34,000 --> 02:21:37,320 Speaker 1: July of two thousand and eight, are all declares an 2555 02:21:37,440 --> 02:21:40,760 Speaker 1: end to the fighting, and the Hoothy dominated Sada governorate 2556 02:21:41,840 --> 02:21:44,440 Speaker 1: in September of this year, an al Qaida attack on 2557 02:21:44,520 --> 02:21:49,480 Speaker 1: a US embassy in Sanna kills twelve people. Let's take 2558 02:21:49,560 --> 02:21:52,520 Speaker 1: our first little break before I forget, and we'll jump 2559 02:21:52,600 --> 02:21:57,520 Speaker 1: back in um see what happens next, and we're back. 2560 02:21:58,560 --> 02:22:01,920 Speaker 1: We left off in September thousand and eight after an 2561 02:22:01,920 --> 02:22:05,360 Speaker 1: al Qaeda attack on a US embassy killed twelve people, 2562 02:22:06,000 --> 02:22:09,400 Speaker 1: and in November of that year, police fire warning shots 2563 02:22:09,440 --> 02:22:13,640 Speaker 1: at opposition rallies and Sanna. These demonstrators were demanding electoral 2564 02:22:13,760 --> 02:22:17,400 Speaker 1: reform and fresh polls. Between two thousand and nine two 2565 02:22:17,400 --> 02:22:21,720 Speaker 1: thousand and ten, as Operations Scorched Earth. In August of 2566 02:22:21,760 --> 02:22:25,480 Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, the MNY military launches Operations Scorched 2567 02:22:25,560 --> 02:22:29,320 Speaker 1: Earth to crush the Hoothy Rebellion and SADA. At this point, 2568 02:22:29,480 --> 02:22:33,359 Speaker 1: Hoothy rebels begin fighting with Saudi forces and cross border clashes. 2569 02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:36,760 Speaker 1: Tens of thousands of people are displaced by the fighting. 2570 02:22:37,400 --> 02:22:41,359 Speaker 1: This fighting continues until after rounds of offers and counteroffers, 2571 02:22:41,600 --> 02:22:45,360 Speaker 1: SAWA's government agrees to a ceasefire with Opdoismatical Houthi and 2572 02:22:45,440 --> 02:22:49,039 Speaker 1: the rebels. In February thousand and ten. The MNI military 2573 02:22:49,160 --> 02:22:54,440 Speaker 1: simultaneously carries out Operation Blow to the head Yes Operation 2574 02:22:54,560 --> 02:22:57,080 Speaker 1: Blow to the Head. This is a crackdown on both 2575 02:22:57,120 --> 02:23:00,080 Speaker 1: the rebels and al Qaeda and the Arabian Peninsula ch 2576 02:23:00,120 --> 02:23:03,240 Speaker 1: are known as a q a P. Thousands flee the 2577 02:23:03,320 --> 02:23:08,080 Speaker 1: government offensive against the separatists in the southern Chebwa province. 2578 02:23:08,800 --> 02:23:12,840 Speaker 1: In September of that year, government forces besiege the governorate 2579 02:23:13,040 --> 02:23:16,000 Speaker 1: of Chebua in southeast Yemen to root out the a 2580 02:23:16,160 --> 02:23:20,440 Speaker 1: q a P militants. By two thousand eleven, the Arab 2581 02:23:20,560 --> 02:23:25,520 Speaker 1: Spring reaches Yemen. In January, demonstrations calling for the end 2582 02:23:25,640 --> 02:23:28,920 Speaker 1: of saw that thirty three year rule begin. Saw the 2583 02:23:29,160 --> 02:23:32,280 Speaker 1: offer some concessions, promising not to seek re election, but 2584 02:23:32,400 --> 02:23:36,440 Speaker 1: the protests spread security forces and saw the supporters launch 2585 02:23:36,480 --> 02:23:39,879 Speaker 1: a crackdown that eventually leaves between two hundred and two 2586 02:23:39,959 --> 02:23:43,960 Speaker 1: thousand people dead. There's such a huge discrepancy between the 2587 02:23:44,120 --> 02:23:47,400 Speaker 1: death toll because it's hard to know how many people 2588 02:23:47,720 --> 02:23:50,400 Speaker 1: are suffering, how many people die from these kinds of attacks, 2589 02:23:51,680 --> 02:23:54,120 Speaker 1: especially when there's not a lot of international interference or 2590 02:23:54,120 --> 02:23:59,920 Speaker 1: international care. Essentially, In April two thousand eleven, saw General 2591 02:24:00,440 --> 02:24:05,160 Speaker 1: People's Congress the GPC agrees to a Golf Cooperation Council 2592 02:24:05,240 --> 02:24:08,600 Speaker 1: broker deal to hand over power, but the president refuses 2593 02:24:08,640 --> 02:24:12,720 Speaker 1: to sign on. This prompts the influential Hashid tribal Federation 2594 02:24:12,879 --> 02:24:16,560 Speaker 1: and several army commanders to back the opposition, after which 2595 02:24:16,920 --> 02:24:21,400 Speaker 1: clashes erupt in Senna. In June thousand eleven, President saw 2596 02:24:21,440 --> 02:24:23,840 Speaker 1: That seriously injured in a bombing and he travels to 2597 02:24:23,840 --> 02:24:28,040 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia for medical treatment. In September thousand eleven, saw 2598 02:24:28,120 --> 02:24:32,240 Speaker 1: That returns to the presidential palace amid renewed clashes. It 2599 02:24:32,400 --> 02:24:34,840 Speaker 1: is not until November thousand eleven that he signs a 2600 02:24:34,920 --> 02:24:38,879 Speaker 1: deal that states that his deputy, ad Abu Mansour al Hadi, 2601 02:24:39,000 --> 02:24:42,760 Speaker 1: assumed power and form a unity government. This unity government 2602 02:24:42,840 --> 02:24:46,040 Speaker 1: would include a prime minister from the opposition, and it's 2603 02:24:46,080 --> 02:24:49,880 Speaker 1: formed after months of protests. This same month, a U 2604 02:24:50,080 --> 02:24:53,480 Speaker 1: s born al Qaida leader in Yemen, an El Alacki, 2605 02:24:53,760 --> 02:24:58,160 Speaker 1: is killed by US forces. In February had he is 2606 02:24:58,200 --> 02:25:00,960 Speaker 1: sworn in for a two year term as president after 2607 02:25:01,040 --> 02:25:04,240 Speaker 1: an election in which he stood unopposed. However, he is 2608 02:25:04,320 --> 02:25:07,000 Speaker 1: unable to counter the al Qaeda attacks in the capital 2609 02:25:07,080 --> 02:25:11,480 Speaker 1: as the year goes on. Thousand fourteen is was considered 2610 02:25:11,600 --> 02:25:15,199 Speaker 1: the years of the post Arab Spring, and in January, 2611 02:25:15,920 --> 02:25:20,480 Speaker 1: the National Dialogue Conference concludes after ten months of deliberations, 2612 02:25:20,520 --> 02:25:22,880 Speaker 1: agreeing to a document on which the new constitution of 2613 02:25:22,959 --> 02:25:27,000 Speaker 1: Yemen would be based. In February, a presidential panel approves 2614 02:25:27,080 --> 02:25:30,240 Speaker 1: of a political transition plan that includes a draft federal 2615 02:25:30,320 --> 02:25:33,879 Speaker 1: constitution for Yemen that organizes the country into a federation 2616 02:25:34,000 --> 02:25:37,560 Speaker 1: of six regions. This was aimed to accommodate the Hoothie 2617 02:25:37,600 --> 02:25:41,920 Speaker 1: rebels and Southern grievances, but the Hoothie sees control of 2618 02:25:42,040 --> 02:25:44,160 Speaker 1: most of Senna in August of that year and they 2619 02:25:44,240 --> 02:25:47,760 Speaker 1: reject the deal. Following two weeks of anti government protests, 2620 02:25:47,840 --> 02:25:51,440 Speaker 1: President had He dissolves his cabinet and overturns a controversial 2621 02:25:51,640 --> 02:25:55,560 Speaker 1: rise in fuel prices. By October thousand fourteen, the Hoothies 2622 02:25:55,600 --> 02:25:59,200 Speaker 1: take control of most of Yemen's capital, Senna. The following month, 2623 02:25:59,320 --> 02:26:01,400 Speaker 1: the rebels see used the Red Sea and the port 2624 02:26:01,600 --> 02:26:07,000 Speaker 1: of Kudaita. In January, after being placed under house arrest 2625 02:26:07,080 --> 02:26:11,040 Speaker 1: by the Hoothies, had He resigns as president. Despite previous 2626 02:26:11,080 --> 02:26:14,240 Speaker 1: attempts to craft a power sharing agreement between Haddie and 2627 02:26:14,240 --> 02:26:17,879 Speaker 1: the Hoofies, the two had continued to clash. The Hoothies 2628 02:26:17,959 --> 02:26:21,880 Speaker 1: later reject a draft constitution that was proposed by Haddie's government. 2629 02:26:22,720 --> 02:26:25,600 Speaker 1: A month later, the Hoothies take control of the Yemeni 2630 02:26:25,680 --> 02:26:29,720 Speaker 1: government and appoint in Presidential Council to replace President Haddie, 2631 02:26:30,040 --> 02:26:32,040 Speaker 1: but this is a move that is swiftly denounced by 2632 02:26:32,040 --> 02:26:36,240 Speaker 1: the United Nations. President Haddie then flees the presidential palace 2633 02:26:36,280 --> 02:26:39,320 Speaker 1: and Sanna and he escapes to his southern stronghold of Aiden, 2634 02:26:39,800 --> 02:26:43,000 Speaker 1: and this is where he later rescinds his resignation, declaring 2635 02:26:43,080 --> 02:26:46,800 Speaker 1: himself the legitimate president and deems the Hoothie takeover a coup. 2636 02:26:47,640 --> 02:26:50,520 Speaker 1: The month after that, in March thousand and five, the 2637 02:26:50,640 --> 02:26:54,360 Speaker 1: Islamic State claimed its first attacks in Yemen, which were 2638 02:26:54,440 --> 02:26:58,240 Speaker 1: two suicide bombings that targeted Shia Masks and Senna, the capital, 2639 02:26:58,680 --> 02:27:01,000 Speaker 1: and this resulted in a hund than thirty seven people 2640 02:27:01,080 --> 02:27:05,000 Speaker 1: being killed. The Hoothies start and offensive against government forces 2641 02:27:05,120 --> 02:27:08,960 Speaker 1: and advanced towards southern Yemen. President Haddie then flees Adn 2642 02:27:09,080 --> 02:27:12,720 Speaker 1: and takes refuge instead in Saudi Arabia. Shortly thereafter, the 2643 02:27:12,800 --> 02:27:16,560 Speaker 1: Hoothies sees parts of ties, a city in southwestern Yemen, 2644 02:27:17,560 --> 02:27:20,400 Speaker 1: after repeated please from Haddie, who was still taking refuge 2645 02:27:20,400 --> 02:27:23,560 Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia, a Saudi led coalition of Arab states, 2646 02:27:23,680 --> 02:27:28,800 Speaker 1: including the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Morocco, Jordan, Bahrain, Sudan, 2647 02:27:28,920 --> 02:27:33,560 Speaker 1: and Kuwait initiates Operation Decisive Storm in support of the 2648 02:27:33,600 --> 02:27:38,600 Speaker 1: ousted president. The coalition launches air strikes against Hoothie targets, 2649 02:27:38,760 --> 02:27:42,360 Speaker 1: deploys small ground forces, and imposes a naval blockade in 2650 02:27:42,480 --> 02:27:45,720 Speaker 1: order to halt the Hoothie's advance on Aidan. The United 2651 02:27:45,760 --> 02:27:49,640 Speaker 1: States then announces its intention to aid in the coalition's efforts. 2652 02:27:50,560 --> 02:27:53,680 Speaker 1: In April. A month later, the coalition declares an end 2653 02:27:53,840 --> 02:27:58,039 Speaker 1: to Operation Decisive Storm. Saudi Arabia announces it would move 2654 02:27:58,080 --> 02:28:02,840 Speaker 1: on to a phase described as Operation Restoring Hope. Despite 2655 02:28:02,920 --> 02:28:06,640 Speaker 1: the announcement, the Saudi leg Coalition continues to bomb Hoothy 2656 02:28:06,720 --> 02:28:09,840 Speaker 1: positions and the United States increases its arms sales for 2657 02:28:09,920 --> 02:28:13,320 Speaker 1: the Saudi campaign in Yemen. Let's take our second break 2658 02:28:13,440 --> 02:28:16,760 Speaker 1: and we will be right back to continue this little history. 2659 02:28:17,040 --> 02:28:21,360 Speaker 1: So b rb Okay, we're back, and we are still 2660 02:28:21,480 --> 02:28:27,320 Speaker 1: in April, when the Saudi leg coalition continues to bomb 2661 02:28:27,360 --> 02:28:31,120 Speaker 1: Hoothy positions and the United States increases its arms sales 2662 02:28:31,240 --> 02:28:34,959 Speaker 1: for the Saudi campaign in Yemen. This is after Saudi 2663 02:28:34,959 --> 02:28:37,400 Speaker 1: Arabia announced that it would move on to a phase 2664 02:28:37,760 --> 02:28:42,680 Speaker 1: described as Operation Restoring Hope despite the bombing campaign that 2665 02:28:42,800 --> 02:28:45,800 Speaker 1: the Saudis are carrying out. The Hoothies capture the city 2666 02:28:45,840 --> 02:28:49,520 Speaker 1: of Oak, which is a small city and the capital 2667 02:28:49,600 --> 02:28:55,120 Speaker 1: of the Chebua government in Yemen. It's also southeast from Senna, 2668 02:28:55,280 --> 02:28:57,680 Speaker 1: and it's not that far. It's it only about four 2669 02:28:57,800 --> 02:29:02,120 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty kilometers south of Santa. After three Saudi 2670 02:29:02,160 --> 02:29:05,160 Speaker 1: officials die in a Hoothy attack at the Saudi border, 2671 02:29:05,440 --> 02:29:09,600 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia boosts its border security. The Hoothy fighters also 2672 02:29:09,720 --> 02:29:13,560 Speaker 1: condemn a u N Security Council resolution imposing an armed 2673 02:29:13,560 --> 02:29:17,240 Speaker 1: embargo on the group, calling the decision an act of aggression. 2674 02:29:18,160 --> 02:29:22,600 Speaker 1: A month later, Alia, the previous president had been accused 2675 02:29:22,640 --> 02:29:26,160 Speaker 1: of sighting previously with Hoothy rebels and support of Hattie's 2676 02:29:26,160 --> 02:29:30,080 Speaker 1: ouster and May Saw the Henyemni forces loyal to him, 2677 02:29:30,160 --> 02:29:33,840 Speaker 1: announced a formal alliance with the Hoothies. The Saudis and 2678 02:29:33,920 --> 02:29:38,119 Speaker 1: the Hoothies then agree to a five day humanitarian ceasefire. 2679 02:29:39,200 --> 02:29:43,040 Speaker 1: US President Barack Obama convenes a g c C meeting 2680 02:29:43,240 --> 02:29:46,400 Speaker 1: the Gulf Corporation Council at Camp David to resolve the 2681 02:29:46,480 --> 02:29:49,920 Speaker 1: crisis in Yemen, but only two states send their leaders, 2682 02:29:50,480 --> 02:29:53,280 Speaker 1: which is very sad to me. A month later, we're 2683 02:29:53,320 --> 02:29:57,360 Speaker 1: in June and the leader of the al Qaeda in 2684 02:29:57,480 --> 02:30:01,920 Speaker 1: the Arabian Peninsula, the a q a P, Nassaid al Wahishi, 2685 02:30:02,240 --> 02:30:04,560 Speaker 1: is killed in a U S drone strike in Yemen. 2686 02:30:06,959 --> 02:30:10,240 Speaker 1: A month after that, after months of fighting with Sunni 2687 02:30:10,320 --> 02:30:13,920 Speaker 1: tribesmen and a q a P militants, the Hoothies take 2688 02:30:13,959 --> 02:30:20,520 Speaker 1: control of the entire Cheboa government. The following month, President 2689 02:30:20,600 --> 02:30:24,000 Speaker 1: Haddie returns to Aidan after Saudi backed government forces and 2690 02:30:24,080 --> 02:30:27,959 Speaker 1: those loyal to Haddie recapture the port city from Hoothy forces. 2691 02:30:30,200 --> 02:30:34,320 Speaker 1: Introduces some foreign intervention, which always sounds like a good idea. 2692 02:30:35,320 --> 02:30:38,360 Speaker 1: In April of that year, the U n sponsors talks 2693 02:30:38,440 --> 02:30:42,080 Speaker 1: between the Haddie government and the coalition of Hoothies, as 2694 02:30:42,120 --> 02:30:46,840 Speaker 1: well as former President saw this General People's Congress. Between 2695 02:30:46,879 --> 02:30:52,400 Speaker 1: October sixteen and May, both sides of the conflict allegedly 2696 02:30:52,480 --> 02:30:56,480 Speaker 1: break their ceasefires. The United Nations and others try to 2697 02:30:56,600 --> 02:31:00,520 Speaker 1: broker peace talks and political resolutions. The Hoothy his claim 2698 02:31:00,560 --> 02:31:04,480 Speaker 1: responsibility for firing missiles into Saudi Arabia, including the capital 2699 02:31:04,560 --> 02:31:10,520 Speaker 1: of Rial. Also in humanitarian agencies and watchdogs decry the 2700 02:31:10,640 --> 02:31:14,360 Speaker 1: Yemen crisis as one of the worst humanitarian emergencies in 2701 02:31:14,480 --> 02:31:18,120 Speaker 1: the world. There are thousands of civilians dead and wounded 2702 02:31:18,160 --> 02:31:20,840 Speaker 1: at this point, and there's also an outbreak of cholera 2703 02:31:21,480 --> 02:31:24,600 Speaker 1: and a potential famine that would also leave thousands on 2704 02:31:24,680 --> 02:31:29,600 Speaker 1: the brink of starvation. In November seventeen, Saudi Arabia intercepts 2705 02:31:29,640 --> 02:31:32,800 Speaker 1: a missile fired towards its airport in the Real and 2706 02:31:32,879 --> 02:31:36,920 Speaker 1: blames the Hoothies Iran and Lebanon's has Belah for escalating 2707 02:31:36,959 --> 02:31:40,800 Speaker 1: the war. A month later, after saw they had reverse 2708 02:31:40,920 --> 02:31:44,480 Speaker 1: course and sided with the Saudi led coalition. Fierce fighting 2709 02:31:44,680 --> 02:31:47,160 Speaker 1: in Senna between the Hoothies and the forces loyal to 2710 02:31:47,240 --> 02:31:50,879 Speaker 1: SA leave the former president dead. SAA has now dead. 2711 02:31:51,480 --> 02:31:54,440 Speaker 1: The Hoothies at this point are controlling much of northern Yemen, 2712 02:31:54,720 --> 02:31:58,160 Speaker 1: but they still face stiff opposition from the Saudi led coalition. 2713 02:31:58,840 --> 02:32:03,000 Speaker 1: President Handy, whose loyalist control much of South Yemen, has 2714 02:32:03,080 --> 02:32:05,800 Speaker 1: called for a popular uprising against who the the rule 2715 02:32:05,840 --> 02:32:11,120 Speaker 1: in the north. Son, who saw that the former president 2716 02:32:11,200 --> 02:32:15,200 Speaker 1: that has now died. The son is Ahmed Ali, and 2717 02:32:15,320 --> 02:32:19,080 Speaker 1: he has vowed revenge against the Huthie's for his father's assassination. 2718 02:32:20,320 --> 02:32:24,080 Speaker 1: We're now in eighteen, and a lot happens in eighteen. 2719 02:32:24,200 --> 02:32:26,160 Speaker 1: That the last year we're going to talk about. But 2720 02:32:26,240 --> 02:32:28,480 Speaker 1: there's a lot of months in ten. So let's start 2721 02:32:28,480 --> 02:32:32,920 Speaker 1: with January. In January eighteen and a firefight the Southern 2722 02:32:33,160 --> 02:32:38,080 Speaker 1: Transitional Council the STC, the United Arab Emirates backed separatist movement. 2723 02:32:38,840 --> 02:32:42,199 Speaker 1: It seeks a revival of the formally independent South Yemen, 2724 02:32:42,280 --> 02:32:45,960 Speaker 1: and it sees his control of Aiden. Aiden is Yemen's 2725 02:32:46,000 --> 02:32:49,160 Speaker 1: main southern city and government headquarters, and it was also 2726 02:32:49,240 --> 02:32:51,959 Speaker 1: the previous capital if you remember, all the way back went. 2727 02:32:52,840 --> 02:32:56,959 Speaker 1: By March of that year, twenty two million Yeminies require 2728 02:32:57,080 --> 02:33:01,840 Speaker 1: humanitarian aid. In February, Mary the u N appoints long 2729 02:33:01,959 --> 02:33:06,200 Speaker 1: time British diplomat Martin Griffiths as Special Envoy of the 2730 02:33:06,280 --> 02:33:10,600 Speaker 1: Secretary General for Yemen. Between March and May, after thousand 2731 02:33:10,640 --> 02:33:15,160 Speaker 1: and eighteen, fighting escalates along Yemen's western coast and dozens 2732 02:33:15,200 --> 02:33:18,600 Speaker 1: are killed in Saudi air attacks and security raids. A 2733 02:33:18,680 --> 02:33:23,200 Speaker 1: Saudi led coalition drone strike kills Sachaliel Samad, who was 2734 02:33:23,320 --> 02:33:27,119 Speaker 1: president of Yemen's Supreme Political Council, making him the most 2735 02:33:27,240 --> 02:33:30,880 Speaker 1: senior Hoothy casualties since the coalition began its activities in 2736 02:33:32,360 --> 02:33:36,720 Speaker 1: International opposition to the coalition's operations grows. After an air 2737 02:33:36,840 --> 02:33:39,840 Speaker 1: raid kills more than twenty people at a wedding party 2738 02:33:40,800 --> 02:33:44,640 Speaker 1: in may Ua, e forces take over the island of Sakatra, 2739 02:33:45,240 --> 02:33:48,400 Speaker 1: occupying the airport and the seaport and causing tensions with 2740 02:33:48,440 --> 02:33:54,120 Speaker 1: the Yemeni government officials. Between June and July, Yemeni President 2741 02:33:54,240 --> 02:33:58,520 Speaker 1: Adre Mansur Hadi meets with the UAE Crown Prince Muhammad 2742 02:33:58,640 --> 02:34:02,880 Speaker 1: bin Dad and Night, and by July, the coalition launches 2743 02:34:02,920 --> 02:34:07,359 Speaker 1: and offensive on the port of Kudeida. Between August and October, 2744 02:34:08,720 --> 02:34:13,160 Speaker 1: international outrage over the Saudi led coalitions war and Yemen grows. 2745 02:34:13,280 --> 02:34:17,120 Speaker 1: After an air raid strikes a school bus, killing forty Yemeni, 2746 02:34:17,440 --> 02:34:21,119 Speaker 1: mostly children. Public opinion of US support for the war 2747 02:34:21,240 --> 02:34:24,560 Speaker 1: effort in the United States plummets as it is reported 2748 02:34:24,600 --> 02:34:26,800 Speaker 1: that the bomb that was used in the air raid 2749 02:34:27,000 --> 02:34:31,360 Speaker 1: was US supplied. In October, US resident and Washington Post 2750 02:34:31,440 --> 02:34:36,080 Speaker 1: columnists Jamaica Shogi is assassinated by Saudi agents in Istumble, 2751 02:34:36,400 --> 02:34:39,480 Speaker 1: and this raises additional questions about the U S support 2752 02:34:39,560 --> 02:34:43,200 Speaker 1: for Yad's war on Yemen U and efforts to mediate 2753 02:34:43,280 --> 02:34:46,160 Speaker 1: between the MNY government and the Hoothie rebels in Geneva, 2754 02:34:46,240 --> 02:34:51,400 Speaker 1: Switzerland are fruitless. At the end of November and December, 2755 02:34:51,920 --> 02:34:56,120 Speaker 1: the US political establishment begins to have some unrest for 2756 02:34:56,280 --> 02:34:59,600 Speaker 1: withdrawing US support from the Saudi led coalition in Yemen. 2757 02:35:00,200 --> 02:35:04,600 Speaker 1: Former Obama administration officials, including the future Secretary of State 2758 02:35:04,640 --> 02:35:09,200 Speaker 1: Anthony B. Lincoln, the future UN Ambassador nominee Linda Thomas Greenfield, 2759 02:35:09,600 --> 02:35:12,760 Speaker 1: and the future National Security Advisor to President Joe Biden, 2760 02:35:12,959 --> 02:35:16,560 Speaker 1: Jake Sullivan. They all sign an open letter expressing remorse 2761 02:35:16,680 --> 02:35:19,920 Speaker 1: for their support of the war and urging all sizes 2762 02:35:20,000 --> 02:35:22,520 Speaker 1: to end the fighting because a letter in thoughts and 2763 02:35:22,600 --> 02:35:26,119 Speaker 1: prayers is exactly what we need. In December of eighteen, 2764 02:35:26,320 --> 02:35:29,120 Speaker 1: the U S Senate for the first time, votes to 2765 02:35:29,200 --> 02:35:32,920 Speaker 1: invoke the War Powers Resolution to force the US military 2766 02:35:33,080 --> 02:35:37,560 Speaker 1: to end its participation in the Yemen War. Later that month, 2767 02:35:37,760 --> 02:35:41,000 Speaker 1: after un mediated talks, the mn E government and the 2768 02:35:41,040 --> 02:35:45,240 Speaker 1: Hoothies signed the Stockholm Agreement that includes prisoner swaps, a 2769 02:35:45,360 --> 02:35:48,880 Speaker 1: mutual redeployment of forces away from the jode deport and 2770 02:35:49,080 --> 02:35:52,560 Speaker 1: a committee to discuss the contested city of Tayis. The 2771 02:35:52,680 --> 02:35:55,800 Speaker 1: ceasefire is set to take effect on December eighteenth, after 2772 02:35:55,879 --> 02:36:00,680 Speaker 1: thousand eighteen. Overall, the Stockholm Agreement fails to eachieve its goals, 2773 02:36:00,920 --> 02:36:05,440 Speaker 1: and neither side agrees to withdraw from Hodeida. This is 2774 02:36:05,440 --> 02:36:08,440 Speaker 1: where I'm going to leave you for today. Um really 2775 02:36:08,560 --> 02:36:14,000 Speaker 1: uplifting point, huh. But tomorrow will continue on starting in 2776 02:36:14,040 --> 02:36:17,160 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, and they'll take us to present day, where 2777 02:36:17,440 --> 02:36:19,760 Speaker 1: a lot of ship is still happening. But I hope 2778 02:36:19,879 --> 02:36:22,920 Speaker 1: this little history of Yemen has given you an idea 2779 02:36:23,400 --> 02:36:26,360 Speaker 1: of how exactly a country can keep having so much 2780 02:36:26,440 --> 02:36:32,520 Speaker 1: unrest because of constant leadership squabbles just to say the least, uh, 2781 02:36:32,840 --> 02:36:39,879 Speaker 1: and coup attempts and fighting and international intervention. So that's 2782 02:36:39,879 --> 02:36:43,840 Speaker 1: all for today, and uh, you'll hear me tomorrow if 2783 02:36:43,879 --> 02:37:04,520 Speaker 1: you want to. Goodbye, Hello you beautiful people, Welcome back 2784 02:37:04,800 --> 02:37:09,120 Speaker 1: to it could happen here. This is Sharene again. If 2785 02:37:09,240 --> 02:37:13,080 Speaker 1: you listened to our previous episode from yesterday, you would 2786 02:37:13,200 --> 02:37:17,080 Speaker 1: know that we are today continuing and finishing up this 2787 02:37:17,240 --> 02:37:20,560 Speaker 1: little two part series about the history of Yemen. Trying 2788 02:37:20,640 --> 02:37:24,520 Speaker 1: to understand how its history has led up to Yemen 2789 02:37:24,600 --> 02:37:28,720 Speaker 1: being in present day one of the worst humanitarian crises 2790 02:37:28,800 --> 02:37:33,080 Speaker 1: in the world. So, yeah, we're talking about the history, 2791 02:37:33,200 --> 02:37:35,520 Speaker 1: and last episode we talked about the history up until 2792 02:37:36,400 --> 02:37:39,600 Speaker 1: the end of and we're going to continue on from 2793 02:37:39,640 --> 02:37:42,680 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen because that's how time works. But I will say, 2794 02:37:44,280 --> 02:37:45,800 Speaker 1: I don't know why I feel like I need to 2795 02:37:45,840 --> 02:37:49,240 Speaker 1: provide a disclaimer, but this is who I am. I 2796 02:37:49,320 --> 02:37:52,400 Speaker 1: feel like I sounded like a board professor in the 2797 02:37:52,480 --> 02:37:56,440 Speaker 1: previous episode, so I apologize if it sounded a bit flat. 2798 02:37:57,120 --> 02:38:00,400 Speaker 1: There are just so many dates and names that I 2799 02:38:00,640 --> 02:38:02,960 Speaker 1: feel like I need to get right, and I'm still 2800 02:38:02,959 --> 02:38:05,760 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to talk about history in 2801 02:38:05,959 --> 02:38:10,800 Speaker 1: a fun and engaging way, if that's even possible. So 2802 02:38:11,120 --> 02:38:14,800 Speaker 1: bear with me. Hopefully there were some things you found 2803 02:38:14,879 --> 02:38:21,240 Speaker 1: interesting and we can continue on this journey together. Okay, 2804 02:38:21,680 --> 02:38:26,720 Speaker 1: enough about me, please, let's continue on. In January twenty 2805 02:38:26,840 --> 02:38:32,160 Speaker 1: nineteen in Yemen, so the previous month, December, theem Andy 2806 02:38:32,240 --> 02:38:35,200 Speaker 1: government and the Hohothies had signed the Stockholm Agreement that 2807 02:38:35,320 --> 02:38:39,240 Speaker 1: included prisoner swaps, a mutual redeployment of forces away from 2808 02:38:39,320 --> 02:38:42,560 Speaker 1: Hoodet to port and a committee to discuss the contested 2809 02:38:42,680 --> 02:38:46,160 Speaker 1: city of Tais. The ceasefire was set to take effect 2810 02:38:46,240 --> 02:38:52,199 Speaker 1: on December, but overall this agreement fails to achieve its goals, 2811 02:38:52,400 --> 02:38:57,120 Speaker 1: and neither side agreed to withdraw from Hodeida. So as 2812 02:38:57,160 --> 02:39:00,480 Speaker 1: we enter into twenty nineteen, the fighting is continuing. The 2813 02:39:00,560 --> 02:39:03,920 Speaker 1: Hoothies launched a drone attack on the air based north 2814 02:39:03,959 --> 02:39:07,360 Speaker 1: of Aden, and this injures dozens and also kills the 2815 02:39:07,480 --> 02:39:12,359 Speaker 1: head of Yemeny intelligence. Back over in Washington, the Secretary 2816 02:39:12,400 --> 02:39:16,560 Speaker 1: of Defense, James Mattis. He had resigned in December eighteen, 2817 02:39:16,760 --> 02:39:20,080 Speaker 1: but his resignation takes effect in February of twenty nineteen, 2818 02:39:20,480 --> 02:39:23,480 Speaker 1: and this marks an end to the Trump administration's efforts 2819 02:39:23,560 --> 02:39:27,400 Speaker 1: to engage in the Yemen peace process. In April, Trump 2820 02:39:27,640 --> 02:39:31,080 Speaker 1: vetoed a bipartisan congressional measure that would force the US 2821 02:39:31,160 --> 02:39:34,720 Speaker 1: military to end its role in the Yemen War. By June. 2822 02:39:34,959 --> 02:39:38,240 Speaker 1: The U a E. Unilaterly scales back its military presence 2823 02:39:38,240 --> 02:39:41,240 Speaker 1: in Yemen while continuing to support the STC a k 2824 02:39:41,440 --> 02:39:45,360 Speaker 1: A the Southern Transitional Council, and the STC had sees 2825 02:39:45,400 --> 02:39:49,480 Speaker 1: at this point more power in Aiden. Meanwhile, the Hoothies 2826 02:39:49,640 --> 02:39:53,160 Speaker 1: step up their efforts to attack Saudi territory, including launching 2827 02:39:53,240 --> 02:39:58,120 Speaker 1: missiles at oil installations and airports. The Saudi and Yemeni 2828 02:39:58,200 --> 02:40:02,080 Speaker 1: forces capture Abus Amma and Mohajid, who is the leader 2829 02:40:02,160 --> 02:40:05,200 Speaker 1: of the so called Islamic State Yemen Province the I 2830 02:40:05,560 --> 02:40:09,720 Speaker 1: s y P. In July, the Emirates or the UAE 2831 02:40:09,959 --> 02:40:13,760 Speaker 1: announces it has completed its troop draw down or minimization 2832 02:40:13,959 --> 02:40:17,920 Speaker 1: in Yemen, but by August the STC effectively assumes control 2833 02:40:18,120 --> 02:40:21,520 Speaker 1: of the southern governance of a den Aban and Shabwa. 2834 02:40:22,080 --> 02:40:25,360 Speaker 1: By the end of August, the forces conduct air raids 2835 02:40:25,440 --> 02:40:27,760 Speaker 1: against the yemen government forces that are headed to a 2836 02:40:27,879 --> 02:40:31,760 Speaker 1: den to attempt to regain control. Also in August, the 2837 02:40:31,840 --> 02:40:37,120 Speaker 1: Hoothies launch Operation Victory from God against Saudi forces, and 2838 02:40:37,280 --> 02:40:41,920 Speaker 1: the Hoothies continue to escalate its attacks on Saudi oil installations. 2839 02:40:42,520 --> 02:40:47,199 Speaker 1: These operation names I will say poetic in a depressing 2840 02:40:47,360 --> 02:40:51,160 Speaker 1: sad way. In September, the Hoothies claimed to have used 2841 02:40:51,240 --> 02:40:55,400 Speaker 1: drones to bomb oil processing facilities in two cities in 2842 02:40:55,520 --> 02:40:59,680 Speaker 1: eastern Saudi Arabia. The attacks result in Saudi Arabia losing 2843 02:40:59,680 --> 02:41:03,120 Speaker 1: about half its output capacity, and even though the Hoothies 2844 02:41:03,240 --> 02:41:07,000 Speaker 1: take credit for the bombings, The international community at large 2845 02:41:07,240 --> 02:41:10,680 Speaker 1: blames Iran because Iran was thought to have provided the 2846 02:41:10,760 --> 02:41:14,560 Speaker 1: technical expertise that was needed to carry out such attacks. 2847 02:41:15,400 --> 02:41:18,480 Speaker 1: In November of twenty nineteen, in an effort to end 2848 02:41:18,520 --> 02:41:21,920 Speaker 1: the fighting between the coalition partners in Southern Yemen, Saudi 2849 02:41:21,959 --> 02:41:24,600 Speaker 1: Arabia and the U a E broker a power sharing 2850 02:41:24,680 --> 02:41:28,199 Speaker 1: agreement between their respective partners in the Yemen Government Forces 2851 02:41:28,720 --> 02:41:32,760 Speaker 1: and the STC. The Riad Agreement, which is what it 2852 02:41:32,879 --> 02:41:36,680 Speaker 1: was called, is signed in early November, but by December 2853 02:41:37,040 --> 02:41:42,280 Speaker 1: clashes resume between the two forces. Literally just a few 2854 02:41:42,360 --> 02:41:48,160 Speaker 1: weeks after it was signed. In January of leading up 2855 02:41:48,200 --> 02:41:52,040 Speaker 1: to February, fighting between the Saudi leg coalition and the 2856 02:41:52,120 --> 02:41:55,960 Speaker 1: Hohothies picks up. Huthi forces carry out missile attacks on 2857 02:41:56,040 --> 02:42:00,120 Speaker 1: military training caps and in Saudi Arabia's southern provinces is 2858 02:42:00,959 --> 02:42:05,760 Speaker 1: Whothies claimed to quote unquote liberate roughly a thousand, five 2859 02:42:05,879 --> 02:42:09,000 Speaker 1: hundred square miles of territory from the Al Jeff and 2860 02:42:09,160 --> 02:42:13,080 Speaker 1: Mareb governance from Saudi led forces, but this is a 2861 02:42:13,160 --> 02:42:19,520 Speaker 1: claim that the coalition denies. In March, remember when Huthi 2862 02:42:19,680 --> 02:42:23,160 Speaker 1: forces capture the strategic city of Husum in the edge 2863 02:42:23,200 --> 02:42:26,640 Speaker 1: Jeff offensive and the Saudi forces carried out a retaliatory 2864 02:42:26,720 --> 02:42:31,920 Speaker 1: air strike on Senna, the capital. March, if y'all remember, 2865 02:42:32,480 --> 02:42:36,440 Speaker 1: it's also when COVID officially made its big world debut. 2866 02:42:36,879 --> 02:42:39,760 Speaker 1: And I know the first cases happened in like late 2867 02:42:39,840 --> 02:42:42,360 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, but I do think COVID really stole the 2868 02:42:42,440 --> 02:42:46,240 Speaker 1: show in March and has been the show ever since. 2869 02:42:46,720 --> 02:42:50,080 Speaker 1: But regardless, the Whosi's capturing the city of a Husum 2870 02:42:50,120 --> 02:42:52,800 Speaker 1: and the Saudi forces striking back with an air strike 2871 02:42:52,920 --> 02:42:55,480 Speaker 1: on Senna, this all happens in the midst of the 2872 02:42:55,600 --> 02:42:59,320 Speaker 1: beginnings of the COVID pandemic. The United Nations urges both 2873 02:42:59,400 --> 02:43:01,920 Speaker 1: sides to maintain the cease fire in order to prevent 2874 02:43:02,000 --> 02:43:06,039 Speaker 1: the pandemic from spreading in Yemen. This doesn't happen spoiler alert, 2875 02:43:06,440 --> 02:43:09,440 Speaker 1: But fearing that the hoothy rebels would control any incoming 2876 02:43:09,520 --> 02:43:13,600 Speaker 1: financial aid, the Trump administration announced as a freeze on 2877 02:43:13,760 --> 02:43:18,480 Speaker 1: seventy three million dollars in humanitarian aid to Yemen, which 2878 02:43:18,560 --> 02:43:22,640 Speaker 1: is a very big number, like objectively, but it's a 2879 02:43:22,720 --> 02:43:26,280 Speaker 1: huge number as far as what Yemen needs, as far 2880 02:43:26,360 --> 02:43:29,520 Speaker 1: as food and shelter and money like that. Makes a 2881 02:43:29,640 --> 02:43:32,880 Speaker 1: huge difference for a country that is in deep need 2882 02:43:32,959 --> 02:43:40,360 Speaker 1: of assistance, but Trump sucking sucks okay. In April, Saudi 2883 02:43:40,400 --> 02:43:44,200 Speaker 1: Arabia initiates a unilateral two weeks ceasefire to mitigate the 2884 02:43:44,320 --> 02:43:49,119 Speaker 1: risks of the new coronavirus pandemic. Days later, Yemen records 2885 02:43:49,200 --> 02:43:53,359 Speaker 1: its first known case of COVID nineteen. Despite the ceasefire, 2886 02:43:53,760 --> 02:43:56,879 Speaker 1: the Hoothies and the Saudi Look Coalition are both accused 2887 02:43:56,959 --> 02:44:00,280 Speaker 1: of carrying out attacks In the south. The st SEE 2888 02:44:00,520 --> 02:44:04,120 Speaker 1: once again demands self rule and it breaks its agreement 2889 02:44:04,160 --> 02:44:08,640 Speaker 1: with the national government. In June, the Southern Transitional Council 2890 02:44:08,879 --> 02:44:13,160 Speaker 1: deposes the recognized government in Skatra, with government supporters decrying 2891 02:44:13,240 --> 02:44:17,400 Speaker 1: the move as a coutata. The following month, the STC 2892 02:44:17,600 --> 02:44:20,320 Speaker 1: says that it has renounced its claim to self rule 2893 02:44:20,640 --> 02:44:24,320 Speaker 1: and will return to the previously agreed upon power sharing structure. 2894 02:44:25,120 --> 02:44:28,440 Speaker 1: Like not even two months, not even two months after 2895 02:44:29,160 --> 02:44:33,320 Speaker 1: the STC demanded self rule, It's like, actually, I was 2896 02:44:33,440 --> 02:44:36,040 Speaker 1: just kidding. I want to go back to the power 2897 02:44:36,080 --> 02:44:39,040 Speaker 1: sharing structure from before, and a lot of back and 2898 02:44:39,160 --> 02:44:41,520 Speaker 1: forth like this always seems to be happening in Yemen, 2899 02:44:41,640 --> 02:44:45,119 Speaker 1: but it also happens if you just keep in mind 2900 02:44:45,959 --> 02:44:49,480 Speaker 1: and so many nations that haven't necessarily maintained their roots 2901 02:44:49,520 --> 02:44:53,360 Speaker 1: long enough for something to grow, and I think Yemen 2902 02:44:53,400 --> 02:44:57,520 Speaker 1: has been in this soil stage for a really long time. 2903 02:44:57,840 --> 02:44:59,920 Speaker 1: If you just want to go with me with this metaphor, please. 2904 02:45:00,560 --> 02:45:04,040 Speaker 1: In October twenty the warring sides and Yemen carry out 2905 02:45:04,080 --> 02:45:08,400 Speaker 1: the conflict's largest prisoner swap. The following month, Saudi Arabia 2906 02:45:08,480 --> 02:45:12,039 Speaker 1: and the Hoothies have reportedly initiated back channel talks. From 2907 02:45:12,080 --> 02:45:15,720 Speaker 1: the saudiast side. Saudi officials indicated their willingness to sign 2908 02:45:15,760 --> 02:45:18,960 Speaker 1: a ceasefire and deal and end the Saudi air and 2909 02:45:19,040 --> 02:45:22,240 Speaker 1: sea blockade in exchange for the creation of a buffer 2910 02:45:22,360 --> 02:45:26,959 Speaker 1: zone between Hohothi controlled territory and Yemen and the Kingdom's borders. 2911 02:45:27,520 --> 02:45:30,160 Speaker 1: The Hohothies later claimed to have fired a missile at 2912 02:45:30,200 --> 02:45:35,120 Speaker 1: the coastal Saudi city of Judda. December, the STC and 2913 02:45:35,200 --> 02:45:38,680 Speaker 1: the Haddy government they formalize a new power sharing agreement 2914 02:45:38,720 --> 02:45:43,360 Speaker 1: in Aden. Prime Minister main Amadic Said is reappointed as 2915 02:45:43,480 --> 02:45:46,400 Speaker 1: head of the Hatty government's new cabinet, with the seats 2916 02:45:46,440 --> 02:45:49,879 Speaker 1: also going to both the STC and Yemen's Islaw party. 2917 02:45:50,760 --> 02:45:54,240 Speaker 1: Just weeks later, the new cabinet arrives in aid and 2918 02:45:54,240 --> 02:45:57,680 Speaker 1: from Saudi Arabia and an attack on the airport kills 2919 02:45:57,720 --> 02:46:01,720 Speaker 1: at least two dozen people, but no none of the ministers, 2920 02:46:02,560 --> 02:46:05,280 Speaker 1: the Hatty government, and the STC and much of the 2921 02:46:05,320 --> 02:46:08,840 Speaker 1: international community. They blame the Hoothies for the attack, and 2922 02:46:09,080 --> 02:46:14,760 Speaker 1: Saudi warplanes conduct a retaliatory air raid on Senna January. 2923 02:46:15,920 --> 02:46:20,640 Speaker 1: The Trump administration uses the December attack to justify designating 2924 02:46:20,720 --> 02:46:23,920 Speaker 1: the Hoothies as a foreign Terrorist organization or an f 2925 02:46:24,040 --> 02:46:27,560 Speaker 1: t O. The Hoothies are still able to consolidate control 2926 02:46:27,879 --> 02:46:32,600 Speaker 1: over about seventy of the empty population, and they threatened 2927 02:46:32,640 --> 02:46:35,920 Speaker 1: my Rib, which is a stronghold near the northeast corner 2928 02:46:36,000 --> 02:46:39,560 Speaker 1: of their control zone. My Rib is going to come 2929 02:46:39,680 --> 02:46:43,760 Speaker 1: up a bit, so ma Rib is a stronghold just 2930 02:46:44,040 --> 02:46:49,280 Speaker 1: beyond the threshold of the Hoothies control And then you 2931 02:46:49,360 --> 02:46:54,800 Speaker 1: guessed it. February. President Biden now enters the arena and 2932 02:46:54,879 --> 02:46:58,880 Speaker 1: he decides to take a new path. He announced his 2933 02:46:59,040 --> 02:47:02,199 Speaker 1: changes to the US policy towards Yemen, and this includes 2934 02:47:02,240 --> 02:47:06,520 Speaker 1: revoking the Hoothy FTO designation. So we'revoking the designation that 2935 02:47:06,600 --> 02:47:10,520 Speaker 1: the Hoothies are forced terrorist organization, and Biden also declares 2936 02:47:10,560 --> 02:47:13,040 Speaker 1: an end to the US support for the Saudi led 2937 02:47:13,120 --> 02:47:17,680 Speaker 1: coalitions offensive operations in the conflict. He appoints Timothy Lender 2938 02:47:17,800 --> 02:47:21,320 Speaker 1: King as the Special Envoy for Yemen. Biden shows his 2939 02:47:21,440 --> 02:47:24,760 Speaker 1: support in the UN lad peace process and he provides 2940 02:47:24,800 --> 02:47:28,320 Speaker 1: assurances to Saudi Arabia regarding the defense of its territory. 2941 02:47:29,360 --> 02:47:32,800 Speaker 1: Let's take our first little break here. I don't have 2942 02:47:33,360 --> 02:47:35,560 Speaker 1: a witty little segway to go to an ad break, 2943 02:47:36,600 --> 02:47:38,280 Speaker 1: but you know the drill. Just listen to the ads 2944 02:47:38,400 --> 02:47:41,160 Speaker 1: or press skip or whatever you do, and we will 2945 02:47:41,160 --> 02:47:47,160 Speaker 1: were back. We're back. This is Sharne. You probably need that. 2946 02:47:47,680 --> 02:47:51,240 Speaker 1: So okay, we left off with Biden showing support in 2947 02:47:51,280 --> 02:47:56,320 Speaker 1: the UN peace process and he's providing assurances to Saudi 2948 02:47:56,360 --> 02:47:59,600 Speaker 1: Arabia regarding the defense of its territory. But it also 2949 02:48:00,400 --> 02:48:03,600 Speaker 1: is after he declares an end to US support for 2950 02:48:04,040 --> 02:48:08,720 Speaker 1: the Saudi's offensive operations in the Yemen conflict. So after this, 2951 02:48:09,000 --> 02:48:12,920 Speaker 1: the Hoothy rebels launched an offensive in Marib City. Mari 2952 02:48:13,160 --> 02:48:16,680 Speaker 1: again is the final stronghold for government forces in the north. 2953 02:48:17,280 --> 02:48:20,240 Speaker 1: The city is also very significant because of its location. 2954 02:48:20,959 --> 02:48:24,200 Speaker 1: It is located very close to some of northern Yemen's 2955 02:48:24,320 --> 02:48:29,600 Speaker 1: richest oil fields. Marib also hosts nearly one million internally 2956 02:48:29,680 --> 02:48:34,960 Speaker 1: displaced persons, and intense clashes are expected to displace thousands more. 2957 02:48:35,879 --> 02:48:39,640 Speaker 1: By Marche, the conflict between the Hattie government and the 2958 02:48:39,680 --> 02:48:44,920 Speaker 1: Hoothies escalates in Marib. The fighting coincides with ongoing Hoothie 2959 02:48:44,959 --> 02:48:48,800 Speaker 1: missile and drone attacks against Saudi oil facilities, airports and 2960 02:48:48,879 --> 02:48:53,320 Speaker 1: air bases. Saudi Arabia retaliates with air strikes, particularly in 2961 02:48:53,360 --> 02:48:57,279 Speaker 1: the capital of Senna. The US then condemns the Hoothies 2962 02:48:57,280 --> 02:49:01,520 Speaker 1: actions riyad Ak Saudi arab Yeah. They propose a ceasefire, 2963 02:49:01,840 --> 02:49:04,840 Speaker 1: and this ceasefire would include the reopening of the Judaida 2964 02:49:04,920 --> 02:49:08,960 Speaker 1: Seaport and the Senna Airport. Who's these reject this proposal 2965 02:49:09,200 --> 02:49:11,640 Speaker 1: on the grounds that a full lifting of the ongoing 2966 02:49:11,680 --> 02:49:16,520 Speaker 1: blockade is a prerequisite for any such agreement. Between April 2967 02:49:16,560 --> 02:49:21,320 Speaker 1: and May one, strikes and counter strikes continue and they escalate. 2968 02:49:21,879 --> 02:49:25,000 Speaker 1: Both the U N Security Council and Ron's Foreign Minister 2969 02:49:25,200 --> 02:49:29,200 Speaker 1: Mohammad Javad Zadiv they voiced their support for the ceasefire 2970 02:49:29,280 --> 02:49:33,680 Speaker 1: between the various Yemeni forces. A discussion takes place between 2971 02:49:33,959 --> 02:49:37,480 Speaker 1: the Saudi Crown Prince mohammedd bsen Man and the us 2972 02:49:37,560 --> 02:49:41,119 Speaker 1: IS Special Envoy for Yemen, Tim Lender King. Lender King 2973 02:49:41,200 --> 02:49:44,080 Speaker 1: pushes for the Saudi Live Coalition to loosen the blockade 2974 02:49:44,160 --> 02:49:48,200 Speaker 1: on Jodeida and Senna. The u N Special Envoy for 2975 02:49:48,320 --> 02:49:52,800 Speaker 1: Yemen is Martin Griffiths at this point, and he's a 2976 02:49:52,840 --> 02:49:56,959 Speaker 1: British diplomat, so the us IS Special Envoy is Lender King. 2977 02:49:57,400 --> 02:50:01,119 Speaker 1: The u N s is Griffiths, and the Hoothies refused 2978 02:50:01,160 --> 02:50:04,440 Speaker 1: to meet with the u N Special Envoy to discuss 2979 02:50:04,480 --> 02:50:07,840 Speaker 1: any kind of the escalation of the conflict. We're now 2980 02:50:07,959 --> 02:50:12,480 Speaker 1: in auguste and a Hoothie attack wounds eight civilians on 2981 02:50:12,560 --> 02:50:16,920 Speaker 1: Saudi soil and it damages a commercial airliner. Amid continued 2982 02:50:16,959 --> 02:50:20,320 Speaker 1: attacks like this from the Hoothy rebels, the Biden administration 2983 02:50:20,400 --> 02:50:24,120 Speaker 1: withdraws and removes its most advanced missile defense systems from 2984 02:50:24,160 --> 02:50:28,959 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia. Also by August of last year, nearly twenty 2985 02:50:29,080 --> 02:50:34,200 Speaker 1: million people, or two thirds of Yemen's entire population, are 2986 02:50:34,320 --> 02:50:39,199 Speaker 1: dependent on humanitarian aid for their daily needs. This includes 2987 02:50:39,480 --> 02:50:43,280 Speaker 1: very basic things like water and food and shelter, electricity, 2988 02:50:43,440 --> 02:50:48,280 Speaker 1: medical care, Martin Griffiths says that five million Yemenis are 2989 02:50:48,400 --> 02:50:52,360 Speaker 1: quote one step away from succumbing to famine and the 2990 02:50:52,480 --> 02:50:56,400 Speaker 1: diseases that go with it. As Hoothies continue to gain 2991 02:50:56,520 --> 02:51:00,240 Speaker 1: ground against Taddi government forces in Marib. The kind Tree 2992 02:51:00,280 --> 02:51:03,680 Speaker 1: of Oman It's also officially called the Sultanate of Oman. 2993 02:51:04,160 --> 02:51:07,880 Speaker 1: It's an Arabian country located in southwestern Asia at the 2994 02:51:07,920 --> 02:51:11,480 Speaker 1: Persian Gulf. So a Man attempts to broker a peace 2995 02:51:11,560 --> 02:51:16,519 Speaker 1: deal between Saudi Arabia and the Hoothies. Hoothy negotiators refused 2996 02:51:16,560 --> 02:51:19,880 Speaker 1: to meet with the newly appointed UN Special Envoy for Yemen, 2997 02:51:20,040 --> 02:51:23,760 Speaker 1: Hans Gruenberg, before the Saudi led coalition commits to the 2998 02:51:23,840 --> 02:51:28,200 Speaker 1: full lifting of the blockade on Jodda and Senna. After 2999 02:51:28,680 --> 02:51:33,440 Speaker 1: a very fleeting lull in hostilities in September of last year, 3000 02:51:33,520 --> 02:51:36,680 Speaker 1: the Hoothie rebels renew their offensive in the Marib government. 3001 02:51:37,600 --> 02:51:40,160 Speaker 1: The habit is a key district in the south of 3002 02:51:40,240 --> 02:51:44,520 Speaker 1: the city of Marib, and government forces had previously recaptured 3003 02:51:44,600 --> 02:51:49,280 Speaker 1: the habit from Hoothie control in July one, but in 3004 02:51:49,400 --> 02:51:52,920 Speaker 1: September the Hoothy rebels capture it again, and they continue 3005 02:51:52,920 --> 02:51:56,400 Speaker 1: their offensive in the Battle for Marib City. At this 3006 02:51:56,520 --> 02:51:59,040 Speaker 1: point in the timeline, the MNY people are taking to 3007 02:51:59,120 --> 02:52:02,520 Speaker 1: the streets and testing over the collapse of Yemen's currency 3008 02:52:03,000 --> 02:52:08,080 Speaker 1: and the inaccessibility for basic daily necessities. Government security forces 3009 02:52:08,160 --> 02:52:12,320 Speaker 1: forcefully respond to these widespread protests across southern Yemen, and 3010 02:52:12,440 --> 02:52:18,160 Speaker 1: this at the time kills three protesters. On September eight one, 3011 02:52:18,720 --> 02:52:22,760 Speaker 1: the WHO the execute nine people on charges of involvement 3012 02:52:22,879 --> 02:52:26,360 Speaker 1: in the Saudi like Coalition air strike of April twousand eighteen. 3013 02:52:26,959 --> 02:52:30,640 Speaker 1: This strike had killed Salva highly A Cement, who was 3014 02:52:30,840 --> 02:52:34,880 Speaker 1: the Who's the aligned de facto president of Yemen. A 3015 02:52:34,959 --> 02:52:38,040 Speaker 1: week or so later, on September seven of last year, 3016 02:52:38,360 --> 02:52:41,760 Speaker 1: a U s official delegation is formed and it includes 3017 02:52:41,920 --> 02:52:46,199 Speaker 1: the National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan, the Special Envoy to Yemen, 3018 02:52:46,280 --> 02:52:49,920 Speaker 1: Timothy Lender King in the National Security Council's Coordinator for 3019 02:52:49,959 --> 02:52:54,160 Speaker 1: the Middle East and North Africa, Brett McGurk. This delegation 3020 02:52:54,360 --> 02:52:58,120 Speaker 1: goes to meet with Saudi Arabia's Mahamanisman as well as 3021 02:52:58,160 --> 02:53:03,320 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia's Deputy Defense Minister, and this is done in 3022 02:53:03,440 --> 02:53:07,480 Speaker 1: an attempt for a diplomatic solution for the Yemen conflict. 3023 02:53:08,280 --> 02:53:12,200 Speaker 1: By October one, the U N Human Rights Council votes 3024 02:53:12,240 --> 02:53:16,280 Speaker 1: against renewing the mandate for the Group of Eminent International 3025 02:53:16,360 --> 02:53:19,360 Speaker 1: and Regional Experts on the Yemen a k A. This 3026 02:53:19,480 --> 02:53:22,080 Speaker 1: is called the g e e UM and it had 3027 02:53:22,120 --> 02:53:25,760 Speaker 1: previously been the only independent body that was monitoring all 3028 02:53:25,920 --> 02:53:30,879 Speaker 1: parties to the conflict. An investigation in reported possible war 3029 02:53:31,000 --> 02:53:34,800 Speaker 1: crimes committed by all parties in Saudi Arabia had been 3030 02:53:34,840 --> 02:53:39,360 Speaker 1: accused of attempting to shut down the investigation. Clashes are 3031 02:53:39,400 --> 02:53:42,119 Speaker 1: continuing in Marib at this point between the Haddi government 3032 02:53:42,200 --> 02:53:45,440 Speaker 1: forces and the Houthies. By October seventeenth of last year, 3033 02:53:45,520 --> 02:53:48,840 Speaker 1: the Hoothies gained control of three districts in the Chebua 3034 02:53:48,959 --> 02:53:53,439 Speaker 1: government as well as two districts of the Marib government. Basically, 3035 02:53:54,120 --> 02:53:57,600 Speaker 1: they're slowly capturing district after districts in their efforts to 3036 02:53:57,680 --> 02:54:02,240 Speaker 1: have full control. In Nomber of One, the Hoothies sees 3037 02:54:02,400 --> 02:54:05,320 Speaker 1: the former site of the U. S Embassy in Senna 3038 02:54:05,840 --> 02:54:10,160 Speaker 1: and it detains its local employees. United States calls for 3039 02:54:10,600 --> 02:54:13,360 Speaker 1: the immediate release of these employees and it demands that 3040 02:54:13,440 --> 02:54:17,880 Speaker 1: the Hoothies vacate the premises, who the spokesperson announces the 3041 02:54:17,959 --> 02:54:21,199 Speaker 1: capture of two more districts in Marib, after already taking 3042 02:54:21,360 --> 02:54:25,080 Speaker 1: two other ones the month prior. Government forces prepared to 3043 02:54:25,200 --> 02:54:29,040 Speaker 1: defend their last remaining northern stronghold a k A Marib 3044 02:54:29,120 --> 02:54:33,160 Speaker 1: City and some two million civilians at this point are 3045 02:54:33,240 --> 02:54:39,760 Speaker 1: now trapped in the Marib governorate. Coalition aligned forces abandoned 3046 02:54:39,800 --> 02:54:42,640 Speaker 1: their position in the port city of Hohodeida, and this 3047 02:54:42,800 --> 02:54:47,080 Speaker 1: allows the rebels to retake the city. A ceasefire agreement 3048 02:54:47,160 --> 02:54:50,320 Speaker 1: had prohibited fighting between the two sides, and the government 3049 02:54:50,400 --> 02:54:53,360 Speaker 1: forces state that they are withdrawing troops from Houdeida to 3050 02:54:53,480 --> 02:54:58,080 Speaker 1: send them to reinforce the front lines. Okay, last year 3051 02:54:58,120 --> 02:55:02,880 Speaker 1: I break, here we go, but m we're back. Okay, 3052 02:55:03,280 --> 02:55:07,680 Speaker 1: we're wrapping out one and in December of last year, 3053 02:55:07,879 --> 02:55:11,440 Speaker 1: due to following international funding, the World Food Program the 3054 02:55:11,680 --> 02:55:16,440 Speaker 1: WFP cuts food aid tm in In November one, the 3055 02:55:16,680 --> 02:55:21,480 Speaker 1: WFP had targeted eleven point one million dollars for food assistance, 3056 02:55:22,000 --> 02:55:25,840 Speaker 1: but as the humanitarian situation deteriorates, the cost of food 3057 02:55:26,000 --> 02:55:30,360 Speaker 1: dramatically increases and becomes even harder to access. In the 3058 02:55:30,440 --> 02:55:35,320 Speaker 1: early months of January and February, the Hoothie rebels launched 3059 02:55:35,400 --> 02:55:39,680 Speaker 1: a series of unprecedented attacks against the UAE and Saudi Arabia. 3060 02:55:40,240 --> 02:55:43,320 Speaker 1: This included air attacks across the border and the seizing 3061 02:55:43,440 --> 02:55:45,360 Speaker 1: of a u A E vessel in the Red Sea. 3062 02:55:46,160 --> 02:55:49,120 Speaker 1: The Saudi Let Coalition response to these attacks with a 3063 02:55:49,240 --> 02:55:52,840 Speaker 1: bombing campaign and senna an attack on a northern prison 3064 02:55:53,080 --> 02:55:56,960 Speaker 1: and a strike on a telecomps facility in Hoodeta. This 3065 02:55:57,120 --> 02:56:00,959 Speaker 1: results in a four day internet blackout across the country 3066 02:56:01,600 --> 02:56:05,480 Speaker 1: and at this point ua E backed forces regained control 3067 02:56:05,680 --> 02:56:09,280 Speaker 1: of some areas near marib On February twenty three of 3068 02:56:09,360 --> 02:56:12,879 Speaker 1: this year, the U S Treasury Department announced new sanctions 3069 02:56:12,959 --> 02:56:16,600 Speaker 1: against individuals involved in a funding network for the Hoothies. 3070 02:56:17,320 --> 02:56:20,280 Speaker 1: During this time, the u N Security Council renewed for 3071 02:56:20,720 --> 02:56:25,080 Speaker 1: one year it's arms embargo on Yemen and continue to 3072 02:56:25,160 --> 02:56:28,640 Speaker 1: travel band and asset freeze on actors who threatened the piece. 3073 02:56:29,240 --> 02:56:32,160 Speaker 1: The Council condemns the Hoothie attacks on Saudi Arabia and 3074 02:56:32,200 --> 02:56:37,200 Speaker 1: the UAE that struck civilians and civilian infrastructure. Four countries 3075 02:56:37,280 --> 02:56:39,920 Speaker 1: in the u N abstained from this u N Security 3076 02:56:39,959 --> 02:56:44,640 Speaker 1: Council decision, and those four countries are Mexico, Ireland, Norway 3077 02:56:44,760 --> 02:56:48,440 Speaker 1: and Russia. On March six, the Hoothies reach an agreement 3078 02:56:48,560 --> 02:56:50,879 Speaker 1: with the United Nations to address the issue of an 3079 02:56:50,920 --> 02:56:53,960 Speaker 1: abandoned oil tanker in the Red Sea, the fs O 3080 02:56:54,120 --> 02:56:57,720 Speaker 1: Safer that pose a threat of a massive oil spill. 3081 02:56:58,520 --> 02:57:02,120 Speaker 1: The World Food Program declares that the humanitarian situation in 3082 02:57:02,200 --> 02:57:05,360 Speaker 1: Yemen is worsening because of the Russian war on Ukraine 3083 02:57:05,840 --> 02:57:10,080 Speaker 1: and the Whothies continue their attacks against Saudi oil facilities 3084 02:57:10,200 --> 02:57:14,360 Speaker 1: while the coalition continues its strikes against Senna and Judeida. 3085 02:57:15,400 --> 02:57:18,520 Speaker 1: Talks that are sponsored by the Gulf Corporation Council in 3086 02:57:18,600 --> 02:57:22,440 Speaker 1: the Yard begin between various parties to the Yemen conflict. 3087 02:57:22,840 --> 02:57:25,920 Speaker 1: The who these declined to participate in this, stating that 3088 02:57:26,160 --> 02:57:29,520 Speaker 1: these talks should be held in a neutral country. That 3089 02:57:29,680 --> 02:57:33,760 Speaker 1: same day, Sadi Arabia announces the secession of all military 3090 02:57:33,800 --> 02:57:39,400 Speaker 1: operations and Yemen as of March of this year. In April, 3091 02:57:39,480 --> 02:57:42,000 Speaker 1: the U n brokered a two month truce between the 3092 02:57:42,080 --> 02:57:45,000 Speaker 1: warring parties that was to start with the holy month 3093 02:57:45,080 --> 02:57:49,200 Speaker 1: of Ramadan for Muslims. The agreement was a notable step 3094 02:57:49,280 --> 02:57:54,040 Speaker 1: toward peace, as the last nationwide coordinated sensation of hostilities 3095 02:57:54,480 --> 02:57:58,959 Speaker 1: was during the peace talks in As these peace efforts 3096 02:57:59,040 --> 02:58:03,120 Speaker 1: gained traction with a two month cease fire exile, President 3097 02:58:03,720 --> 02:58:07,880 Speaker 1: menso had He transfers powers to a new Presidential Leadership Council. 3098 02:58:08,400 --> 02:58:11,840 Speaker 1: This council is led by a Shad E lalami Uh 3099 02:58:12,000 --> 02:58:14,040 Speaker 1: and members of the council were selected at a g 3100 02:58:14,200 --> 02:58:18,400 Speaker 1: c C sponsored talk in Ryab. It also includes those 3101 02:58:18,560 --> 02:58:22,840 Speaker 1: associated with the secessionist Southern Transitional Council, as well as 3102 02:58:22,920 --> 02:58:25,720 Speaker 1: those that were formerly part of the government under Haddie. 3103 02:58:26,360 --> 02:58:30,520 Speaker 1: Hadd He fires Vice President Daili Mussain e Lahmar, who 3104 02:58:30,640 --> 02:58:34,400 Speaker 1: has long been resented by the Hoothies, and Haddi delegates 3105 02:58:34,440 --> 02:58:38,320 Speaker 1: his powers to the Presidential Council. After the transfer of 3106 02:58:38,400 --> 02:58:40,760 Speaker 1: power is announced, Saudi Arabia and the U a E 3107 02:58:41,000 --> 02:58:44,600 Speaker 1: say they will provide three billion dollars to support Yemen's 3108 02:58:44,680 --> 02:58:51,039 Speaker 1: decimated economy. Despite a two month troops Hoothy forces resume 3109 02:58:51,120 --> 02:58:53,800 Speaker 1: attacks on the front lines of the battle from Marib, 3110 02:58:54,240 --> 02:58:58,199 Speaker 1: which had previously been static since February, and this happens 3111 02:58:58,280 --> 02:59:00,560 Speaker 1: after the U a E backed forces is pushed the 3112 02:59:00,640 --> 02:59:03,680 Speaker 1: Hoothies out of the center of one of the districts 3113 02:59:03,720 --> 02:59:07,280 Speaker 1: in my Rib, the Hareb District. It's during this time 3114 02:59:07,360 --> 02:59:10,600 Speaker 1: that the Hoothies also signed a action plan to prevent 3115 02:59:10,680 --> 02:59:14,000 Speaker 1: the recruitment and the use of children in the armed conflict. 3116 02:59:14,480 --> 02:59:18,560 Speaker 1: A senior Hoothy military official had said in that the 3117 02:59:18,680 --> 02:59:23,360 Speaker 1: group inducted eighteen thousand child soldiers into its army, some 3118 02:59:23,560 --> 02:59:27,320 Speaker 1: of whom were as young as ten years old. That's 3119 02:59:27,360 --> 02:59:31,640 Speaker 1: a that's a baby. Oh my gosh, it's really My 3120 02:59:31,800 --> 02:59:35,880 Speaker 1: heart hurts all the time. Okay, we're getting close to 3121 02:59:35,959 --> 02:59:39,560 Speaker 1: modern times here. In August of this year, the head 3122 02:59:39,680 --> 02:59:44,680 Speaker 1: of Yemen's Presidential Leadership Council, Alalami, he ordered the UAE 3123 02:59:44,840 --> 02:59:48,560 Speaker 1: back separatists to stop military operations in the Yemen's South. 3124 02:59:49,400 --> 02:59:52,240 Speaker 1: This notice was issued to the head of the STC 3125 02:59:52,520 --> 02:59:54,960 Speaker 1: and it was seen as an attempt by Alami to 3126 02:59:55,040 --> 02:59:58,600 Speaker 1: step in and stop an STC campaign against the rival 3127 02:59:58,680 --> 03:00:03,000 Speaker 1: factions within the government umbrella, and this would include Yemen's 3128 03:00:03,160 --> 03:00:07,280 Speaker 1: ISLAP Party. He said that all military operations should be 3129 03:00:07,440 --> 03:00:11,600 Speaker 1: stopped until the implementation of a troop redeployment in Yemen's South, 3130 03:00:12,080 --> 03:00:14,360 Speaker 1: and this was something that was stipulated in a power 3131 03:00:14,440 --> 03:00:17,120 Speaker 1: sharing agreement from twenty nineteen, and he wanted this to 3132 03:00:17,160 --> 03:00:20,920 Speaker 1: be fully implemented before they moved forward. These divisions within 3133 03:00:21,040 --> 03:00:25,760 Speaker 1: the Council really exposed its precarious nature because all the 3134 03:00:25,800 --> 03:00:29,640 Speaker 1: members are often ideologically opposed and they're only united by 3135 03:00:29,680 --> 03:00:32,920 Speaker 1: the opposition that they have to the Iran allied Hohothies 3136 03:00:33,160 --> 03:00:35,160 Speaker 1: as well as the support that they have from the 3137 03:00:35,240 --> 03:00:40,200 Speaker 1: Saudi led military coalition. In the southern Cheboa Governorate, which 3138 03:00:40,280 --> 03:00:44,320 Speaker 1: is a very resource rich area, the STC has made 3139 03:00:44,360 --> 03:00:47,280 Speaker 1: gains against the Slab Party and it's said in September, 3140 03:00:47,879 --> 03:00:50,840 Speaker 1: which is right now, that it had launched a quote 3141 03:00:50,920 --> 03:00:55,080 Speaker 1: anti terror operation in Chebwa's neighboring governorate of A Bienne. 3142 03:00:55,640 --> 03:00:59,879 Speaker 1: This operation, according to them, would quote cleanse of Bienne 3143 03:01:00,040 --> 03:01:03,720 Speaker 1: of terrorist organizations, which would include al Qaeda, while also 3144 03:01:03,840 --> 03:01:08,359 Speaker 1: securing Yemen's temporary capital of Aden and other southern governorates. 3145 03:01:09,640 --> 03:01:14,240 Speaker 1: After the Hoothies kind of invaded this governor. In the 3146 03:01:14,440 --> 03:01:17,560 Speaker 1: STC and other pro ua E factions, they blamed the 3147 03:01:17,640 --> 03:01:21,600 Speaker 1: Isla party for allowing the Hoothy advance. The removal of 3148 03:01:21,680 --> 03:01:26,600 Speaker 1: an ISLA aligned governor Mohammad Sawado in December of last year. 3149 03:01:26,879 --> 03:01:31,360 Speaker 1: This cemented the ascendancy of pro UAE forces, but the 3150 03:01:31,440 --> 03:01:35,520 Speaker 1: instability in the south of Yemen really complicates any kind 3151 03:01:35,600 --> 03:01:38,600 Speaker 1: of u and effort for a permanent ceasefire or an 3152 03:01:38,640 --> 03:01:42,120 Speaker 1: attempt to pave the way for political negotiations to end 3153 03:01:42,160 --> 03:01:45,720 Speaker 1: the war. The u N broker ceasefire agreement that we 3154 03:01:45,800 --> 03:01:49,160 Speaker 1: talked about being implemented in April this year a k Ramadan. 3155 03:01:49,640 --> 03:01:52,920 Speaker 1: It has drastically reduced the fighting between the two sides, 3156 03:01:53,200 --> 03:01:57,119 Speaker 1: but the outbreaks of violence still continue. This month, al 3157 03:01:57,200 --> 03:02:01,680 Speaker 1: Qaeda attacks killed at least thirty sold errs. The STC, 3158 03:02:02,040 --> 03:02:06,240 Speaker 1: which again is Yemen's main southern separatist group, is backed 3159 03:02:06,280 --> 03:02:09,440 Speaker 1: by the UAE and last month it expanded its presence 3160 03:02:09,520 --> 03:02:12,840 Speaker 1: throughout the Southern Abian province and what it described as 3161 03:02:12,879 --> 03:02:17,000 Speaker 1: a move to quote combat terrorist organizations and it's singling 3162 03:02:17,080 --> 03:02:20,880 Speaker 1: out al Qaeda. In a series of tweets, the STC 3163 03:02:21,040 --> 03:02:24,640 Speaker 1: dominated Security Belt said that six al Qaeda fighters were 3164 03:02:24,720 --> 03:02:27,520 Speaker 1: killed after the group launched a quote terrorist attack on 3165 03:02:27,600 --> 03:02:32,120 Speaker 1: its forces in the Ahua district in Ebion. It also 3166 03:02:32,200 --> 03:02:35,160 Speaker 1: added that yas said Nassai Shai, who was a commander 3167 03:02:35,280 --> 03:02:38,800 Speaker 1: belonging to the Security Belt quote anti terror brigade. It 3168 03:02:38,920 --> 03:02:41,280 Speaker 1: said that he was killed in the attack along with 3169 03:02:41,480 --> 03:02:44,840 Speaker 1: a number of his companions. I just wanted to bring 3170 03:02:44,920 --> 03:02:48,840 Speaker 1: in that little news because it just kind of happened 3171 03:02:48,879 --> 03:02:52,440 Speaker 1: this month, and obviously things are continuing to happen and 3172 03:02:53,560 --> 03:02:57,879 Speaker 1: it changes month after month, as you can tell. I'm 3173 03:02:57,959 --> 03:03:03,120 Speaker 1: laughing because it's said. Ut. Hopefully this gives some context 3174 03:03:03,400 --> 03:03:06,680 Speaker 1: to why Yemen is struggling so much, and I want 3175 03:03:06,720 --> 03:03:10,880 Speaker 1: to read some of the stuff, some of the statistics 3176 03:03:10,959 --> 03:03:14,720 Speaker 1: about Yemen really quick, because the scale of this is 3177 03:03:14,840 --> 03:03:18,720 Speaker 1: so immense. So this is from the World Food Program's website. 3178 03:03:19,640 --> 03:03:23,440 Speaker 1: The w FPS emergency response in Yemen is our largest 3179 03:03:23,520 --> 03:03:26,520 Speaker 1: anywhere in the world. The current level of hunger and 3180 03:03:26,640 --> 03:03:30,640 Speaker 1: Yemen is unprecedented and is causing severe hardship for millions 3181 03:03:30,680 --> 03:03:36,400 Speaker 1: of people. Despite ongoing commanitarian assistance, seventeen point four million 3182 03:03:36,520 --> 03:03:39,600 Speaker 1: Yeminies are food and secure. The number of food and 3183 03:03:39,680 --> 03:03:43,000 Speaker 1: secure people is projected to go up to nineteen million 3184 03:03:43,240 --> 03:03:48,240 Speaker 1: by December. The rate of child malnutrition is one of 3185 03:03:48,320 --> 03:03:52,240 Speaker 1: the highest in the world, and the nutrition situation continues 3186 03:03:52,320 --> 03:03:56,560 Speaker 1: to deteriorate. A recent survey showed that almost one third 3187 03:03:56,640 --> 03:03:59,680 Speaker 1: of families have gaps in their diets and hardly ever 3188 03:04:00,000 --> 03:04:04,400 Speaker 1: sumed foods like vegetables, fruit, dairy products, or meat or 3189 03:04:04,480 --> 03:04:10,160 Speaker 1: pulses a k a. Beans, peas, and lagoons. Malnutrition rates 3190 03:04:10,160 --> 03:04:13,320 Speaker 1: among women and children and Yemen remain among the highest 3191 03:04:13,360 --> 03:04:16,440 Speaker 1: in the world, with one point three million pregnant or 3192 03:04:16,440 --> 03:04:20,040 Speaker 1: breastfeeding women and two point two million children under five 3193 03:04:20,440 --> 03:04:25,480 Speaker 1: requiring treatment for acute malnutrition. Sometimes I think we can 3194 03:04:25,560 --> 03:04:31,920 Speaker 1: forget how many people is in a little statistic millions 3195 03:04:32,000 --> 03:04:35,879 Speaker 1: of people were talking. Two point two million children, one 3196 03:04:35,959 --> 03:04:42,240 Speaker 1: point three million pregnant or breastfeeding women. Just that number 3197 03:04:42,360 --> 03:04:44,959 Speaker 1: is so immense I can't comprehend it. And the fact 3198 03:04:45,000 --> 03:04:47,119 Speaker 1: that this is protected to go up by nineteen million 3199 03:04:47,520 --> 03:04:52,360 Speaker 1: in general for all yemen ease by December is devastating. 3200 03:04:52,600 --> 03:04:57,440 Speaker 1: And I think remembering how big numbers are, as elementary 3201 03:04:57,480 --> 03:05:00,640 Speaker 1: as that sounds, is pretty important for time to time, 3202 03:05:00,680 --> 03:05:02,280 Speaker 1: because I think at this point we are kind of 3203 03:05:02,440 --> 03:05:06,480 Speaker 1: unphased by numbers. But let me continue from the World 3204 03:05:06,720 --> 03:05:09,800 Speaker 1: Food Programs website really quick and wrap this all up. 3205 03:05:10,760 --> 03:05:14,480 Speaker 1: The humanitarian situation in Yemen is extremely fragile, and any 3206 03:05:14,560 --> 03:05:18,560 Speaker 1: disruption of the pipeline of critical supplies such as food, fuel, 3207 03:05:18,600 --> 03:05:21,760 Speaker 1: and medicines has the potential to bring millions of people 3208 03:05:21,959 --> 03:05:27,640 Speaker 1: closer to starvation and death. The WFP calls for unimpeded 3209 03:05:27,680 --> 03:05:31,240 Speaker 1: access to reach those most in need and avert famine. 3210 03:05:32,480 --> 03:05:36,959 Speaker 1: So here we are in a quick bury depressing submarine. 3211 03:05:37,720 --> 03:05:41,400 Speaker 1: Since twenty sixteen, a food in security crisis has been 3212 03:05:41,480 --> 03:05:45,160 Speaker 1: ongoing in Yemen, and this began during the Yemeni Civil War. 3213 03:05:46,560 --> 03:05:49,280 Speaker 1: The current level of hunger and Yemen is unprecedented and 3214 03:05:49,440 --> 03:05:53,520 Speaker 1: is causing severe hardship for millions of people. And despite 3215 03:05:53,560 --> 03:05:58,360 Speaker 1: ongoing humanitarian assistance, seventeen point four million Yemenis at this 3216 03:05:58,480 --> 03:06:01,360 Speaker 1: point in time our food instcut year, and this number 3217 03:06:01,440 --> 03:06:03,600 Speaker 1: of food and secure people is projected to go up 3218 03:06:03,720 --> 03:06:09,200 Speaker 1: by nineteen million by December. Maybe I'm being repetitive, but 3219 03:06:09,240 --> 03:06:12,720 Speaker 1: I think it's important to comprehend the crisis in Yemen 3220 03:06:13,040 --> 03:06:15,360 Speaker 1: is one of the most dire crises in the world, 3221 03:06:16,160 --> 03:06:20,760 Speaker 1: and this is brought on by protracted conflict, droughts, floods 3222 03:06:20,800 --> 03:06:24,320 Speaker 1: that are intensified by the climate crisis, COVID nineteen and 3223 03:06:24,480 --> 03:06:28,560 Speaker 1: other diseases. And despite all of this tragedy that we've 3224 03:06:28,600 --> 03:06:35,199 Speaker 1: been talking about, despite this humanitarian criminal thing that is happening, 3225 03:06:35,720 --> 03:06:39,160 Speaker 1: Yemen has failed to attract adequate support from donors for 3226 03:06:39,400 --> 03:06:45,840 Speaker 1: years and now it risks slipping further into oblivion. What 3227 03:06:45,959 --> 03:06:49,680 Speaker 1: a terrible depressing way to end this podcast, but I 3228 03:06:49,760 --> 03:06:52,680 Speaker 1: really do hope that these episodes at least gave you 3229 03:06:52,959 --> 03:06:55,680 Speaker 1: more awareness about what's going on in Yemen and just 3230 03:06:55,800 --> 03:06:59,600 Speaker 1: how dire the situation is. And there are so many 3231 03:06:59,680 --> 03:07:01,680 Speaker 1: com it's in the world. There are so many causes 3232 03:07:01,760 --> 03:07:05,039 Speaker 1: that deserve our attention, obviously, but I do think it's 3233 03:07:05,040 --> 03:07:07,560 Speaker 1: important from time to time to think about the causes 3234 03:07:07,680 --> 03:07:10,480 Speaker 1: that you may not be affected by and remember that 3235 03:07:10,520 --> 03:07:14,160 Speaker 1: everyone is human just like you and the privilege that 3236 03:07:14,240 --> 03:07:18,240 Speaker 1: you have um if you choose to engage with your 3237 03:07:18,280 --> 03:07:21,320 Speaker 1: privilege and use it for good, can make a huge 3238 03:07:21,400 --> 03:07:25,640 Speaker 1: difference to people that need assistance. At this point, I'm 3239 03:07:25,680 --> 03:07:28,760 Speaker 1: going to start rambling, so before I do that, I 3240 03:07:28,840 --> 03:07:31,080 Speaker 1: just want to thank you for paying attention to my 3241 03:07:31,760 --> 03:07:37,520 Speaker 1: PROFESSORI talk and saying that office hours are now closed. 3242 03:07:38,160 --> 03:07:47,640 Speaker 1: Good eye. Hey. We'll be back Monday with more episodes 3243 03:07:47,800 --> 03:07:50,279 Speaker 1: every week from now until the heat death of the universe. 3244 03:07:50,879 --> 03:07:53,240 Speaker 1: It could happen. Here is a production of cool Zone Media. 3245 03:07:53,480 --> 03:07:56,120 Speaker 1: For more podcasts and cool Zone Media, visit our website 3246 03:07:56,160 --> 03:07:58,280 Speaker 1: cool zone media dot com, or check us out on 3247 03:07:58,320 --> 03:08:00,680 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast Us, or wherever 3248 03:08:00,800 --> 03:08:03,280 Speaker 1: you listen to podcasts. 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