1 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: Ron and hit the key, you know, I want to 2 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: hear it crank crank. And before he does that, she 3 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: speaks up and she says, where's the car doctor when 4 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: you need him? I popped on the overhead light of 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: the suburban. I said, I'm right here, and the lady 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: her jaw just hit the ground. The car doctor, take 7 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: some oil out of the engine, you know, take a 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: couple of drops, put it in a dixie cup and 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: put it in the microwave. All right, and if the 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: dixie cup sparks, there's metal fragments in the oil. Being 11 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: super Welcome to the radio home of Ron and Anian 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor, since this is where car owners the 13 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 14 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 15 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: the phone and call in. The garage door are open, 16 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: but I am here to take your calls at and 17 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 1: now running. You know, I think your opinion of ort 18 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: to repair and how to fix it really doesn't count. 19 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: And here's why. Because you're not the guy turning the wrench, 20 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: you're the guy paying the bill. Your opinion counts on 21 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: the quality of the repair and the procedure or process 22 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: by which it was done. Not Hey, I think it 23 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: should be this part, or I think it should be that, 24 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: or you should run these tests and not those tests. 25 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: That's not your job, and that's what I'm here to 26 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: help talk to you about and and separate as we 27 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: march on these next two hours of card doctor in here. Um, 28 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: you know, I thought about it. There's there's just so 29 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: much preconceived information. You want to see how fast information 30 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: changes in orto repair it just did did you say it? 31 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: Did you see it? Go? Bio went like that? Because 32 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: what I knew yesterday won't apply tomorrow and it will 33 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: be a distant memory in a week and a half. 34 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: That's how fast things change. And it's it's moving beyond 35 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: the speed of light. You know, part of the country 36 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: is stuck in the Hey, we're gonna do electric cars. 37 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: We won't need internal combustion engines and gasoline anymore, so 38 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to train a whole new crop of 39 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: mechanics for that, and the rest of the country or 40 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: another part of the country is still working on for 41 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: fair Monts. And somewhere in the middle is the rest 42 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: of us that are trying to get by with some 43 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: old cars, some new cars, and trying to deal with 44 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: the different technologies. I see it all day long. I 45 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: am the only shop in the area I think that 46 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: now has the scan tools that will work on pre 47 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: O B D two cars. And I must be, because 48 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: everybody keeps calling to borrow mind, which I won't. I 49 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: won't learn it out anymore. You've gotta bring me the 50 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: car and will do it together in the parking lot, 51 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:49,839 Speaker 1: or you know, we've got to be on speaking terms. 52 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: And and you know, that's a whole another story. That's 53 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: a that's an off the air, a cup of coffee 54 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: over the counter kind of story. And it made me 55 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: think that the the amount of technology it's out there 56 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: really constitutes the need for the person doing the repair 57 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: to know what he's doing or what she is doing. 58 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 1: Not you. Your job is to walk in. You know, 59 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: I'll put it to you this way. And this is 60 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: what kind of got me on this. A new customer, 61 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: Kim in this week, Linda and her husband Mark, and 62 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 1: um I told her, I said, you know, you must 63 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: have a very interesting family, and she said, how so? 64 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 1: And I said, well, you've got an orange car, which 65 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: is pumpkin. You've got a blue car, which is blue, 66 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: and you've got a red car, which is ruby. So 67 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: you've got ruby, pumpkin and blue. Um. I said, you know, 68 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: they say that the color of the cars shows the 69 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: political makeup of a family, I said, And you guys 70 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: are all over the place. She says, you know it's 71 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: actually true, because that's the way we are. But at 72 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: the end of the conversation, she said, I have to 73 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: tell you, She says, I'm glad we found you, she said, 74 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: because you know, it's nice to be able to take 75 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: the car in no preconceived notions, no games, no nonsense. 76 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: He just told us what it needed. It needed is fixed, 77 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: it's done, it's out the door. We're so glad not 78 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: to have to be able to we're not forced to 79 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: tell the mechanic what needs to be done. And I 80 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: looked at it and I said, yeah, but that's not 81 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: your job. I said, that's my job. And that's that's 82 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: what the mechanic is supposed to do. You know, for 83 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: all the years I'm doing this, and it's numbering forty 84 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: five or forty six, now I'm gonna have to start 85 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: doing the map again. It's it's a it's a scary 86 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: number because I'm still going to class. I to to 87 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: a month, three a months sometimes, and there's always more 88 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: technology to learn. And I always think, every time I 89 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: sit down in a class, how come everybody that tells 90 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: me how to fix a car, all the consumers that 91 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: are on the other side of the counter. I look around, 92 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: nobody's in that class with me. All right, they never 93 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: have been. And I've come to the conclusion that your 94 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: opinion on what it takes to fix that car probably 95 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: doesn't count. Get rid of your preconceived notions, get rid 96 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: of what your father told you, work to get rid 97 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: of what your grandfather told you, worked, and so on. 98 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: All right, Pick up a book. Read up about O 99 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: B D two diagnostics. Read up about can bus networks. 100 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: Read up about how verial valve timing effects engine operation. 101 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: Read up about the changes in engine in an oil lubrication. 102 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: And those are just some of the things that are 103 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: going on. There's probably twenty five to thirty category changes 104 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: in order repair on a daily basis. The amount of 105 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: information that's being pumped out in the new things that 106 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: they're thinking of to make his test and how it works. 107 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: You don't know how to fix the car sometimes we 108 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: don't know how to fix the car. But that's okay. 109 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: We'll go to school, we'll learn. We don't need you 110 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: to tell us. And I say that with a lot 111 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: of love and respect. Let's get this show start at 112 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: eight zero. Let's get over to Ellerson in Virginia and 113 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: see what's going on here. Ellison, Welcome to the car doctor. 114 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: How can I help? Yeah, run get out to talk 115 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: to you, yeah man, look yeah, two thousand and six 116 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: and Pella, and to check in your like ca moment. 117 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: And if you take the neg the cable off a 118 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: couple of minutes and put it back in private, go out. 119 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: I took the Comma starting time at first, and I 120 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: took the neg cable off and a couple of anything 121 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: put it back on, and then the car wouldn't sell 122 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: weird and if wiggling and jiggle wiles and did everything. 123 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: I called the Chevallet Degaler ship and he told me 124 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: something about that might win in the theft mood and 125 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: mode and then leaves a key on for this and 126 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: that and whatever and anyway, I ended up taking the 127 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: Turtle Cheveld because we couldn't get nothing to work. And 128 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: they said that they something malfunction about the body module 129 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: and that the bogy and molecules or ovident. They did 130 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: something to the computer and they had to reprogram and 131 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: no pots were put on it at all. All leave 132 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: or two hundred thirty dollars. That's about right, Ellison? Is 133 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: this you? Yeah? Just mean? Are you still hiding cars 134 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: out in the cornfield so your wife doesn't see? Yeah? Man, yeah, man, 135 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. That's really cool. How many cars 136 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: you up to? Now? Another five? How many does she 137 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: know about? She? Yes, she peeps through the wonder she 138 00:06:55,839 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: finds and five pala souls. Uh um. That sounds about right. 139 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: I listen, listen, that's just like the opening conversation, right 140 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: about how cars are different now and how we fix 141 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: cars with software and and sometimes improperly disconnecting a battery 142 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: or sometimes just disconnecting a battery. Listen, we've had issues 143 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: with cars here. I'll give you an example, Honda's fourteen fourteen, 144 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: fifteen Hondas, crvs and civics. If you use a memory 145 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: saver into the O B D two port when you 146 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: disconnect the battery, chances are you will blow the fuse 147 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: in the underhood fuse box and the car won't start. 148 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: So you're doing it right, you're following procedure, you're trying 149 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: to save memory and adaptables, and you create a problem. 150 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: And let me tell you, five o'clock on a Friday, 151 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: that's no time to have that problem the first time through, 152 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: and that's when it happened. So you know, disconnecting a 153 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: battery cable, by the way, is the wrong way to 154 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: clear check engine light. The right way is let's scan it. 155 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: Let's see what the code is and then you know, 156 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: then let's go through and clear it if you want 157 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: to clear it using a scan tool. Okay, So in 158 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: other ways they say disconnected barrier cable if you're gonna 159 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: work on something diutical. So I'm scared to free it 160 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: to check my bite cable loosen now because I'm fraid 161 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: I might not start. So what I just got to 162 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: leave it on and because now I agree. Now, now 163 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: you should be able to disconnect the battery to work 164 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: on the car electrically. So you know, was the key 165 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: on possibly when you reconnected the cable, No, it was 166 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: all okay, you know you should be able to connect 167 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: and disconnect the cable back and forth without hurting the car, 168 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: all right, will I tell you what happened about a 169 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: year ago, and but back the memory, I did the 170 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: same thing, took your cable and and put to put 171 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: it back, and the car wouldn't say anything. And I waited, 172 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: and I was in the new and I waited overnight, 173 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: and the next morning to cost started. I got into 174 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: de scoted and it started. We started eating when I 175 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: took it all and put it back. But then I 176 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: didn't didn't touching the thing. The next morning I was 177 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: turned the key and started rid up. You got something 178 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: else going on here, bro, I'd be I'd be looking 179 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: at all the body grounds on this car, making sure 180 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: all the grounds are good, clean and tight, and not 181 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: just the one from the battery cable to the to 182 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: the chassis, but the one from the engine to the chassis. 183 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: I'd be I'd be looking at all grounds, all points 184 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: in between. You've got a bad ground here somewhere, and 185 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: you're disturbing it by disconnecting it, that would be this. 186 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: Then I have added a ground from the bad post 187 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: to it. By that, and I'm adding grounds because I've 188 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: always heard you couldn't have too many grounds. You don't 189 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: have too many grounds. So okay, happy, happy, New Year 190 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: to ye, Ellison. Good to hear from your brother. You 191 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: take good care. Zero nine nine zero zero. That was Ellison. 192 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: That's a whole another. That's a whole another story on 193 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: a whole another level. He's a riot. Um, he's hidding 194 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: cars out in the cornfield and I've been talking to 195 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: him for years and years and years. I'm surprised his 196 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: wife hasn't found all those cars yet. Um. But anyway, 197 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 1: I'm running any in the car doctor. I'll be back 198 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 1: right after this got down. When you get keep Ron's 199 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: number hand eight five five five six zero nine zero 200 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: zero for when you really need advice on your car. 201 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: Here's robbing. Hey, let's get gona talk to Mike in Michigan. 202 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: Ninety eight Lincoln Town Car. Mike, Welcome to the car doctor, sir, 203 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: how can I help? Hey, Ron, thanks for taking my call. Welcome. 204 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: I got a Lincoln Town car on the way home 205 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: from church Christmas morning. I was pulling up to a 206 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: red light, got on the brakes. Everything was normal, but 207 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: halfway through my breaking, the break just sunk about another inch. 208 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: I thought I blew up, maybe a rear brake line 209 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: or something. I was close to home, so I kept 210 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: going got at home, Uh, there's no I the brakes 211 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: and the driveway probably seventy five times got no uh, puddle, 212 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: couldn't find it where it was leaking at all. The 213 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 1: level and the reservoir did not go down at all. 214 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: So my next step I was guessing was a master cylinder. 215 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: Went to O'Reilly's, got a master cylinder, bench, bled it, 216 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: and then when I installed it, I had my I 217 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: tightened the fittings, but before I hit the brake. Once 218 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: I cracked the fittings um and had my wife hit 219 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: the brakes. We did that about ten times, I hope 220 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: when I wasn't going to introduce any air in the 221 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: system by doing it that way, but I still ended 222 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: up with a real soft break. Um. So then we 223 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: went through and bled all four wheels, ended up bleeding 224 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: probably two quarts of of brake fluid through it. Um 225 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: So now I just I'm having a really hard time 226 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: remembering how soft it was before this whole ordeal happened. 227 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: As many times as I pumped it, I just can't 228 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: tell if I've got it to where it needs to be. 229 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: But I will say with the engine off, the first 230 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: pump of the brake, it's rock hard. It's but as 231 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: soon as I started up, it still feels a little 232 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: spongy to me. But I just can't remember if if 233 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: it was that soft before. So I guess my question 234 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: is if the engine is off and you hit the 235 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: brake and it immediately as rock hard, does that mean 236 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: there's no air left in the system or do I 237 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: need to take this someplace and have it bled with 238 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: a scan tool to actuate the APS modulator. Okay, first 239 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: things First, kudos to your wife. She's helping you bleed 240 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: the breaks. I think that's great. Oh yeah, right, leg 241 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: it's about numb now as much as we've been doing. 242 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: You know that she's got a leg like gorgeous George. Um. 243 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: You know she's gonna start weightlifting soon. Um. I think 244 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: that's great. I think that's a cute date. So, you know, 245 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: and I know what you're going through, you know, because 246 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: you always start to play back in your mind ever since, right, 247 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: you know the g was it? Was it ever? Really 248 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: like that? So? Is the pedal different than the first failure? 249 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: I would say it's better than the first failure. Yeah, 250 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: I'm but it's it's pretty it's I mean, yeah, it's 251 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: definitely better. Than that. I'm just trying to figure out 252 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: if it's as good as it was before it ever happened. Okay, 253 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: so have you driven this? No, stop, stop bleeding and 254 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: sitting there, go drive it. You can't. You can't judge 255 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: a break pedal. And I've learned this from experience. Just 256 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: it's just something I've seen over the years. You'll sit 257 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: there and you'll pump until you're blue in the face. 258 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: And is it would have? Could have? Should have? Because 259 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: there's a certain dynamic of the brake pedal, of the 260 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: of the pad and the and the amount of friction 261 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: ability of the pad to lock the rotor before it 262 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: provides resistance to the pedal before you know what I'm saying. 263 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: There's a whole interaction of dynamics that go on here. 264 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: So you get it to the point where you know, 265 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: if the first hit it doesn't go down and it 266 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: doesn't pump up, then in theory there should be no 267 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: air in the system and and the next step would 268 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: be to judge it by driving it. All right, Okay, Well, 269 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: one more quick question is since I obviously introduced air 270 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: into the lines during this this master cylinder change, um 271 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: that air I'm guessing would have had to have made 272 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: its way through the ABS module module. Well, is it 273 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: possible to be able to to get that air out 274 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: of it just by manual bleeding? Is I mean, is 275 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: it possible? I did that because I've heard that if 276 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: you get air in that thing, you almost have to 277 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: take it in to have it, uh professionally bled with 278 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: a stand tool. I've seen it. I've seen it both ways, Mike, 279 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: and it's it's a judgment call on how good or 280 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: bad is the pedal? All right, you'll you'll probably end 281 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: up there because I think you're gonna be You're gonna 282 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: be curious for lack of a better way to put 283 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: it until you get it back to where you think 284 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: it's as good as it can be. But the first 285 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: step is to drive it. You know. One of the 286 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: things I've always I was always disappointed in is that 287 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: it's so hard. Because here's the perfect example. I'd love 288 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: to see that somebody made plugs for the end of 289 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: the brake lines where they go into the master. Just 290 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: just put a solid plug into the fitting, bleed the 291 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: master out. How good is the pedal? Pedal is good, 292 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: then you know there's no more air in the master 293 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: and then work your way down the line and you 294 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: can do that. We've actually got some fittings that I purchased, 295 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: and then I took some brake line and I saw her. 296 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: I welded in, I made. I made my own fittings, 297 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: is what I'm getting in. I've got a variety, but 298 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: things you're always changing and always adapting. I always thought 299 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: a tool company missed an opportunity by coming out with 300 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: brake line fitting updates to help in the bleeding process. Um, 301 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: long story short, I would tell you to drive this 302 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: again and how does it feel? Maybe burp it again 303 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: after you know you drive it, because you you are 304 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: going to dislodge. If there's any air in there, you 305 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: will dislodge some air and push it down closer to 306 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: the caliper in all likelihood. Well, what about getting on 307 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: a gravel road and forcing it into an as situation? 308 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: Not a bad idea. It's all good stuff, you know, 309 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: it's all good stuff. Now you are going to see 310 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: is this a rear drum front disc car? So you 311 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: are going to see any because now now it's in 312 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: your mind, all right, brother, you're gonna see any deficiency 313 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: in a brake system. And if any one of those 314 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: calipers doesn't move freely. If anything here is binding and 315 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: not working as it once did before the master cylinder failure, 316 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: your mind is going to pick up on it faster 317 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: than any mechanic would. So you know, always consider do 318 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: we have do we have uh, you know, good caliper 319 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: action to roll four wheels? I've actually, if I checked 320 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: them all, I had to replace one because the one 321 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: of the slides was locked up, so I could replace 322 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: one caliber, right. I've actually had scenarios where we've put 323 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: calipers on four wheel break cars and the pedal quality 324 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: will actually suffer because the caliper was stuck against the 325 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: rotor and you know it, it just had minimal amount 326 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: of movement, and it it takes some driving, and it 327 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: takes some finesse and some finagling to get the pedal 328 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: back to where it's supposed to be. I know, it's 329 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: it's it's sort of the flies logic. You would think 330 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: the caliper could adjust itself out and make up the 331 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: clearance and the difference, But for some reason I've never 332 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: been able to come up with it doesn't and it 333 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,479 Speaker 1: takes a matter of bleed the system. Maybe play with 334 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: maybe play with some pedal adjustment under the dash. Make 335 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: sure all the caliper slides move, make sure the pads 336 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: move in their brackets. There's a bunch of things that 337 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: you have to go over. How many miles are on 338 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: this car? So is there any slop in the pivot 339 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: underneath where the pedal hinges going into the booster. No, 340 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: I can't know, not that I've noticed. I've never really 341 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: inspected that, you know, for that, but I not by 342 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: driving it. You know, I've never really noticed. You may 343 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: want to, You may want to take down the lower 344 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: valance and get under the under the dash, under that 345 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: front seat and just you know, take your hand and um, 346 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, stroke the pedal, look to see is there 347 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: any slop? Now, keep in mind, you know you want 348 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of give there because you don't want 349 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: to be you don't want the pedal to always be on. 350 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: It'll keep the brake lights on. But at a quarter 351 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,479 Speaker 1: million miles, I wouldn't be surprised there may be an 352 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: adjustment on that uh nut with the fush rod going 353 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: into the booster. If there is, yeah, you may want 354 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: to tweak it. Just the hair market beforehand, so you 355 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: can always put it back because I bet you there's 356 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: a little bit of slop here too, and that's gonna 357 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: transmit to low pedal in your foot when you're applying 358 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: the break. But drive it first and then we'll go 359 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: from there. Talk to you soon. I'm running any of 360 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: the car Doctor. We're back right after this, the back 361 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: garding the end of the car Doctor. Let's go over 362 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: to Alan in Florida, Ranger two point nine and the 363 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: high idol issue. Allen, Welcome to the car Doctor. How 364 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: can I help? Well, I'm trying to figure out if 365 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: I can if the UH rear, the gear ratio and 366 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: the rear end has affected the UH the computer. Okay, 367 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: so tell me the story. What's going on here? Well, 368 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: when I picked up the vehicle fifteen years ago, UM, 369 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 1: the guy told me to change load to gear a 370 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: show in the in the rear rent. I drove it 371 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: for some time and then realized that the U I 372 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: had an issue with a high idol. I come up 373 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: to a stop sign that's still idling a little bit high. 374 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: What's high? None that will none that would settle down? 375 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: What's high? Oh? So what you're saying is it you're 376 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: pulling up to a traffic light and it's a twelve 377 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: and then it drops to normal after yeah, after I stop. Okay, Um, 378 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: I've got an eighty seven Ranger V six three leader. Yeah, 379 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: does the exact same thing. Okay, if that answers your question. 380 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: So they they will have a bit of delay, all right. 381 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: My experience has been they will have a bit of delay. 382 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: All right, it's not it's not an instantaneous you know, 383 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: dropped back to idle. Now where is idol? Is? Idle? 384 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: Is idle? Eight hundred seven hundred? Is a stick? I have? 385 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: I basically have the same thing, different engine. You have 386 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: a two nine. I have a three. Oh alright, you know, 387 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: and my bridle is around that's a and that's about 388 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: where they oile. All right? Now? How far off is 389 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: the and I'll tell you the story. I'll even add 390 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: to the story. Um, I've replaced the rear in the truck, 391 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: although I use the same gear ratio, so that won't apply. 392 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: So how far off is the rear gear ratio? I 393 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: don't really know the numbers or anything like that. That's 394 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: one thing I don't know much about. Um I can 395 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: I can give you a simple way to check it. 396 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: Do you live near the highway or can you get 397 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: out to the highway with the truck? Oh yeah, go 398 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: mile marker a mile marker with the vehicle reading sixty 399 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: or for that mat and and just time it. It It 400 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: should take a minute to go mile market a mile 401 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: marker at sixty or you know, do you have a smartphone, 402 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: download the app. They have a bunch of spidometer apps. 403 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: You can download no charge and it will give you 404 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: it's it's it's probably within a mile or two of 405 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: dead reckoning of actual speed. Yeah, I know my sidometer 406 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 1: is off, all right, Well the question will be how much. Now. 407 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: The other thing you have to be aware of is 408 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: sometimes spiometers are off at different um different mile per 409 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: hour ranges, all right, as vehicles age. And this is 410 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: an older vehicle, not not gonna just this is an 411 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: older vehicle I've got. I've got an older car that 412 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: the spiometer is is dead reckoning on. It's good from 413 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: zero to sixty above sixty and starts ending two miles 414 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: every five miles an hour over. Yeah, so you know 415 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: that's a that's a that's a mechanical cluster in the 416 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: spring that provides attention against the counterweight is getting stretched out. 417 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: But you know, to go in and change it. I'll 418 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: probably never find another spring that close to being accurate anyway, 419 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: Hence all the vacuum lines. I chased, all the stent suits. 420 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: I've replaced everything I could find. I can't find anything wrong, 421 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: but read everything. Do you have AF I shut the 422 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: thing off? Just computer reset it. It's fine for how long? Um? 423 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: Not very long? It reverts back to what it was right, 424 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: it learns. Is that a computer issue? I think it's normal. Well, 425 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: what I would the other thing I would do is, 426 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: you know, if if you want to really see um, well, 427 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: I don't know that that's a fair test. I was 428 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: gonna say, disconnect the IAK and drive it and see 429 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: what happens. But I really think what you're seeing is 430 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: remember in the old days when cars had carburetors, Yeah, 431 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: all right, and what they have on the side of 432 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: the carburetors. As as more mission controls came on board 433 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: and things got a little more complicated, they had a 434 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: dash pot, right, They had a mechanical dash pot that 435 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: kept the throttle from slam and shut. I think what 436 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: they're giving you is they're giving you an electronic dash pot. 437 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: Because my Ranger does the exact same thing. To tell 438 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: you the truth, it's done it since. And I actually 439 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: worked on my Ranger. It used to be a customers 440 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: vehicle and then when it blew the rear didn't want 441 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: to fix it. We brought it from him. But I 442 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: worked on that truck geez, probably since it had forty 443 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 1: thousand miles on it. And and and you know, it's done 444 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: it as long as I've ever seen it. It's never 445 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: really given me cause for concern. Yeah, back to what 446 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: you say about the over vehicles. He used to have 447 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: back pressure when you let off the throttle. Well, right, 448 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: they'd have a well, they'd have a dash pot. Right. 449 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: They wouldn't want this throttle the slam shut. They wouldn't 450 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: want the idol to drop down to us, you know, 451 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: to to base sidle right away. They wanted it to 452 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 1: get there on a cushion. Uh. This vehicle have air conditioning. 453 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure it does. Living in Florida. Yeah, well I 454 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: bought it. I bought the vehicle in Alaska. And you know, 455 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 1: if it's got air I bet I bet the I 456 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: bet the way the idol drops down low is a 457 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: little different with the air on than the air off. 458 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: Does that change it? Um? And then it didn't seem 459 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: to a because I'm thinking, I'm thinking maybe engine load 460 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: you know, do this. Let's let's be scientific about this, 461 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: all right. However you do it, figure out how far 462 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: off that sparometer is? Alright, I can actually I can 463 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: tell you or off it is. It it's off for 464 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: four miles an hour up to about thirty, and then 465 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: up to forty it's about three miles per hour off, 466 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: and then after about sixty it's almost it's about a 467 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: mile off. How do you how do you know that? 468 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: What are you gauging that against? Um? I like with 469 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: my phone GPS? Okay, so you do have a GPS 470 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: on your phone. You do have miles per hour on 471 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: your phone? Yeah? Okay, then you know as much as 472 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: it as much as much work as it might be. 473 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: I think to go through and change the gear ratio, 474 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna matter. I think I think 475 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: that generation Ranger, it was either there was a three 476 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: seventy three gear ratio and the next one was way down, 477 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: was right. I think that's and you probably have the 478 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: highway gear. You probably have the lower numerical gear. The 479 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: three is what you're telling me. So what you could 480 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: do is if you can figure out and there's there's 481 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: ways to figure out what gear ratio is in this mark, 482 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: the drive shifts, spend, the wheel count, the number of 483 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: revolutions you could see. If the factory scan tool, the 484 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: I d S has the ability to program what rears 485 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: in the vehicle under calibration, I don't know if it'll 486 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: do it on a ninety. That's kind of old. You know, 487 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: it was probably stored in the processor at the time 488 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: of the flash when the vehicle was first when the 489 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: vehicle was first assembled. But there are ways to correct that, 490 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: but I don't think that's going to fix it for you. 491 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: The last, the last thought I have is if you 492 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: have access to a scan tool and you think this is, 493 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: you know, a vacuum leak. I'd love to see what 494 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: fuel trims are. I'd love to see I'd love to 495 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: see where fuel trims are. I let's see what our 496 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: two censor activity is. If everything looks normal, I'm back 497 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: to my first statement. I think what you're seeing is 498 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: a normal condition for that generation truck. That's what they 499 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: tend to. That's my experience. I haven't seen a lot. 500 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: I will I will admit that I have not seen 501 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: a lot of manual transmission rangers. I've seen five, and 502 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: I can attest that I've seen four of them do it. 503 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 1: Three of them do it, four of them do it. 504 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 1: Four I can see if I've seen four of them 505 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: do it. I have to think back in my mind. 506 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: It's been a while since I've seen them all. And 507 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: you haven't ever changed to computer route. Now, I've never 508 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: had a change of computer route. And the truck ran fine. 509 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: It never gave me. It never gave me a light, 510 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: It never gave me a stalling issue. It never gave 511 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: me a reason to even consider it. So, you know, 512 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: unless you've got a symptom beyond hey, I think you know. 513 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: Here we are again. You know I think the idle 514 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 1: speed is too high. I'm gonna tell you, I think 515 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: it's normal. Come to New Jersey. Come to New Jersey. 516 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: You can drive my eighty seven. You'll say, uh, it's 517 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: sixty six. I think we are off the Parkway. I 518 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: lived there for nine years. Uh Pennington, Okay, Yeah, And 519 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,719 Speaker 1: you're no, you're not far enough up. You gotta come 520 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: all the way up. You gotta you gotta, you gotta 521 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: come all the way up to the land. The pizza 522 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: and good bagels. No, that's even further. We're way up. 523 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: Let's see where what eggs it? Are we off the parkway? 524 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: Mikey and we sixty six? I think we're sixty six? 525 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,479 Speaker 1: Mikey scratching his head. Now, I got him thinking too. 526 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,239 Speaker 1: Were we won sixty six? Were one sixty six? That's it? 527 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: I knew there was another number in there anyway. The 528 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: spring of your coming up through Well, you're always welcome. 529 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 1: Listen to the coffee pots, always on everybody, So all right, Alan, 530 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: You're very welcome, sir. You take good care of a 531 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: happy new year. Zero nine zero the car doctors coming back, 532 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: don't go away? Welcome back, corminated the car doctor, Tony 533 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: and Georgia. Oh nine Dodge Ram, what's going on here? 534 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 1: Hey do buddy? I love listen to your show? You there? Yes, sir? 535 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: How are you? Can you hear me? I can can 536 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: you hear me? Can you agree to me? Weird sound 537 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: at first? And then it's good, Yeah, that's my voice. 538 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: That's that's the natural tone of my voice. Um, it 539 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: just sounds weird. So that's why they put me on radio. Actually, 540 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 1: that's why. That's a whole another story. How can I 541 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: help you today, kiddo? Well, first off, I love your show. 542 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: I've been listening to it over the last year. I 543 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 1: own a lawn care business in Georgia, and all day 544 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: while I'm owing along, I listened to the show and really, 545 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: really really enjoy it. So let me let me ask 546 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: you a question before you ask me a question. You're ready. 547 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: So you do you do lawn care? Do you repair mowers? 548 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: Or you cut grass? I cut grass? Okay? Has the 549 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: ethanol issue affected you with your mowers? Um? It really 550 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: has not affected me that much. I have had a 551 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: fuel line dry up, you know here there. You know 552 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: that I've had to replace. But really that's about it. 553 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: But maybe that's because you know the fuel you know, 554 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: I run through twenty gallons a week, you know what 555 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: I'm saying, So it doesn't really sit in there. How 556 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: many more? How many more? How many mowers are you 557 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: running on a weekly basis? Well, I have four different 558 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: mowers you know that we use here and there, and 559 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: there's no snow or anything here, so we're out working 560 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: in the yard year round. Holy cow, that's against that's 561 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: against the religion here in New Jersey. Um. You know, well, 562 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: my dad and his whole side of the family is 563 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: from upstate New York, so I'm pretty familiar with what 564 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,959 Speaker 1: you guys got going on. So you're the other end. 565 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: You're the other end of the spectrum. You were the 566 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: good son you got out, Uh, I hear you? Yeah? Well, 567 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: well my mom my mom's from Georgia and once they 568 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: got married, they moved here. So I've been here in 569 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: my whole life. Once again, the rule applies. If mom 570 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:57,719 Speaker 1: is not happy, nobody's happy. Don't tell anybody. How can 571 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: I help you, Tony? What's going on? All? Right? So 572 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: I got a P zero one seven one lean code 573 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: on my two thousand nine Ramifred and I've been chasing 574 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: it for almost a year now. UM. You know, I've 575 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: I've cleaned the injectors. UM. I've checked resistance on injectors. 576 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: I've even rented the little the little lights to make 577 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: sure the power is good to injectors. UM. I had 578 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: a couple broken off exhaust manifold bolts and me and 579 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: my dad welded through a nut and extracted all those 580 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: and all new gaskets. UM. I got a new mopar 581 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: map sensor UM, and of course I ran the injector 582 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: cleaner through it and um and then I even bought 583 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: a smoke machine to UH to test for vacuum leaks 584 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: and tried to multiple different vacuum locations and with a 585 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: big plug tested back through the exhaust clean and throttle body. 586 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: Got new um I ridium spark plugs, all new O 587 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: two sensors and uh my fuel trims are pretty good. 588 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: There you know minus three at idle minus five or so, 589 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: you know when you get moving. Um, I've cleaned the 590 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: p twop and I have a I do have a 591 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: range MBS manager on there to turn off the MDSUM 592 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: but it's in the truck runs great, drives great. It's 593 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: just every now and then when you're sitting there at 594 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: idle boom, you know, being a little checking pot on 595 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: and this is this is the code. Do you do 596 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: you have the ability to look at freeze frame? Do 597 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: you know what freeze frame is? Yes? Well, I'm I'm 598 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: not a professional like you, but I do. I have 599 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: a I have a blue driver scan tool which is 600 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: an awesome, awesome little tool. It does have freeze frame. 601 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it has motion six and it has 602 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: all that. So so get familiar with freeze frame on 603 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: your tool. You want to go look at that, because 604 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: freeze frame is a video snapshot of what the conditions 605 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: were when the code set. I'd like to know. I'd 606 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: like to know what we're chasing. I'd also like to 607 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: know is if if, and typically fuel trim fault codes 608 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: will set or beyond. So if Bank one goes to 609 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: twenty six, but Bank two is at twenty two, you're 610 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: gonna get a fault code for one. Not too but 611 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: to being that high tells us something to Also, I'll 612 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: use the word also instead of two. You get what 613 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: I'm saying, right, Well, it's it's it's always set the 614 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: code for that Bank one. Um My. You know my 615 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: long term fuel trims. You know our one point six 616 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:49,719 Speaker 1: through thirty point five on bank one, um and you know. 617 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: So it's it's weird. It's like sometimes like it won't 618 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,479 Speaker 1: come on for a few days and then all right, 619 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: I'll tell you. I'll tell you what. Tony, Sit tight, 620 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: let me pull over. Take this pause. I don't want 621 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: to rush this. We'll be coming right back. Came running 622 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: any of the car, doctor, don't go away, welcome back. 623 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: Run into the car doctor, Tony. You're still there, Tony. 624 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: So here's the deal, all right, we want to look 625 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,239 Speaker 1: at freeze frame. Freeze frame is gonna tell us what 626 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: the fuel trim was on Bank one when this happened. 627 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: All right, we want we want to look at short term, 628 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: we want to look at long term. We also want 629 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: to be aware of fuel trim on bank too. Like 630 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: I said, if Bank two is encroaching but it doesn't 631 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: hit the mark, if it's at and Bank one is 632 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: at being the point at which it sets the fault, 633 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: I'd be looking for something common to both banks. If 634 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: it's if it's strictly Bank one, If Bank one is 635 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: a Bank two is at five, then I've got to 636 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: look for something that's particular just to Bank one. You 637 00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: get what I'm saying. Okay, that's that's But the only 638 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: thing I haven't checked. I haven't checked fuel pressure yet. 639 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: I mean, the fuel pump sounds good when you turned 640 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,720 Speaker 1: the key on. Do you think that could be something? 641 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,720 Speaker 1: I could answer that question here. You answer the question 642 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: real quick. If both banks are showing lean, do you 643 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: think it could be a fuel pump? Well, only only 644 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: one bank is showing lean. Okay, If one bank is 645 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: showing lean, explained to me, And I'm not saying not 646 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: to check it, but how could it be a fuel 647 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: pump only on one bank both both banks are fed 648 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: by the same pump. Doesn't make any sense. So start 649 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: thinking of how this works. If this was a lawnmower, 650 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: how would you fix it? And there's this multiplied by 651 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: eight for the number of cylinders. All right, last thing, 652 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: just think about could there be a bulletin update for this. 653 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,479 Speaker 1: I don't think it will be. I think it's gonna 654 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,439 Speaker 1: be more than that. But look at fuel trim fuse frame, 655 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,479 Speaker 1: look at bulletins. Think about swapping on two censors side 656 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: to side. Call me back, I'm on any of the 657 00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: car doctor mechanics aren't expensive, They're priceless. She was super 658 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 1: Dow