WEBVTT - News Has to Sleep, too

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<v Speaker 1>In order to be able to cover news twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>to seven. It means people have to work at all

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<v Speaker 1>strange hours of the night. And even if you think

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<v Speaker 1>about a program like Good Morning America, everyone who works

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<v Speaker 1>on that show is waking up at two, three, four,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe five in the morning if they're lucky.

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<v Speaker 2>Diane Mercedo is a journalist, author, and news anchor who

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<v Speaker 2>co hosts ABC News Live. From the anchor chair of

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<v Speaker 2>early morning news shows to field reporting for overnight news coverage,

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<v Speaker 2>Diane has done it all. We rely on journalists like

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<v Speaker 2>her to be there to deliver the stories and information

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<v Speaker 2>that we need to know, and Diane is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most trusted voices in the industry. On an average day,

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<v Speaker 2>she's reporting the news to roughly eight point one million viewers.

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<v Speaker 1>The ultimate reward is relaying this information that I think

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<v Speaker 1>is really important, and I do you consider news of

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<v Speaker 1>public service. And I'm a very sort of principled, idealistic person.

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<v Speaker 3>Even still in my career.

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<v Speaker 2>Things don't stop happening just because the sun goes down.

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<v Speaker 2>Reporting the news is a twenty four to seven job.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had shifts where I went in at noon, i

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<v Speaker 1>went in at three thirty in the morning. I went

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<v Speaker 1>in at one thirty in the morning, camera ready. I've

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<v Speaker 1>gone in at ten or eleven pm and come out

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<v Speaker 1>of work at nine am, And then you try to sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>If the news never sleeps, what does that mean for

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<v Speaker 2>the journalists to report it and how do they disconnect

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<v Speaker 2>from the intensity and severity of current events to onewine

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<v Speaker 2>for healthy sleep. I'm Anahad O'Connor and this is Chasing

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<v Speaker 2>Sleep and iHeartRadio production in partnership with Mattress Firm. As

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<v Speaker 2>a best selling author and a health call with the

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<v Speaker 2>background in psychology, I've spent a lot of my time

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<v Speaker 2>studying and writing about sleep. Sleep is so essential to

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<v Speaker 2>our overall health, but often it's something we overlook and

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<v Speaker 2>it's the first thing we tend to neglect. And each

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<v Speaker 2>episode we'll meet people living and working in extraordinary circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to learn how they rest and recharge their

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<v Speaker 2>bodies and minds to perform at their very best. In

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<v Speaker 2>this episode, we'll uncover what working through the night to

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<v Speaker 2>bring you the news does to the brain and how

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<v Speaker 2>to slow things down to be able to get some

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<v Speaker 2>much needed rest.

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<v Speaker 1>Breaking news is the most challenging part of my job. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's the part that I love the most. It's

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<v Speaker 1>when there's no prompter to rely on, there's no script

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<v Speaker 1>to rely on, sometimes very little information to rely on,

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<v Speaker 1>and you kind of just have to go with your gut.

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<v Speaker 3>It's you and the audience and nothing in between.

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<v Speaker 1>As you're actively getting in this new information, how do

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<v Speaker 1>I best relay this to the audience in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that everyone's gonna understand and be able to take in

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<v Speaker 1>and to be able to capture.

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<v Speaker 3>What the important parts of this story really are.

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<v Speaker 2>There's something deeply exciting about the world of reporting and

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<v Speaker 2>fitting in all the pieces of a story to give

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<v Speaker 2>the public a full picture.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've just always had this intense curiosity about

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to know what was going on in the world

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<v Speaker 1>and wanting to figure it out, like everything was a

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<v Speaker 1>giant puzzle, and the more information I could get, the

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<v Speaker 1>more I could figure out how it all comes together.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no shortage of difficult moments in journalism. Sometimes the

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<v Speaker 2>bigger the story, the bigger the emotional toll it can

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<v Speaker 2>have on the public and the journalists delivering the story.

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<v Speaker 2>I wondered about some of those bigger moments in Diane's

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<v Speaker 2>career and how she's learned to process the weight of

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<v Speaker 2>the news she's reporting.

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<v Speaker 1>One big one for me was working on the Eric

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<v Speaker 1>Garner case. I was in Staten Island talking to his friends,

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<v Speaker 1>people who were there, who witnessed the police put him

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<v Speaker 1>in a chokehold. They were all telling me, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're saying he died at the hospital. As far as

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<v Speaker 1>we could tell, he died in front of us. And

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<v Speaker 1>being able to talk to people like that firsthand, see

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<v Speaker 1>additional videos that they took. Regardless of your opinion on

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<v Speaker 1>the case, when you see how any serious news story

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<v Speaker 1>actually touches the people who are directly involved, it affects

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<v Speaker 1>you differently. And that's one of those stories that you

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<v Speaker 1>know even now, I go home sometimes and I find

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<v Speaker 1>myself at midnight watching the video again, listening to the

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<v Speaker 1>audio again.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I do anything about it?

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<v Speaker 1>No. But in the instances like that, your brain doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>always let you sleep because it's so consumed by something else.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you hit a story that just consumes you

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<v Speaker 1>to the point where you can't fall asleep as easily

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<v Speaker 1>as you would like to.

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<v Speaker 2>Journalism requires those in the field to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>manage high levels of emotional stress along with the intense

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<v Speaker 2>pressure of being the first to break the news, no

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<v Speaker 2>matter the hour. At a certain point, that all starts

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<v Speaker 2>to take a toll. And when you're pushing through on

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<v Speaker 2>high levels of adrenaline, how do you come down from

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<v Speaker 2>the reporting high?

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<v Speaker 1>Little by little, I just saw my sleep deteriorate more

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<v Speaker 1>and more and more and more. And I think I

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<v Speaker 1>did what most people do, which is you just assume

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<v Speaker 1>you can.

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<v Speaker 3>Power through it.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the perks of having a job like

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<v Speaker 1>this is that you love it and when you're doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>your adrenaline is pumping and you kind of find a

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<v Speaker 1>way to perform. Your body just goes into showtime mode

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<v Speaker 1>and you dig deep and you do it. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the problem comes around after. It's when you get home

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<v Speaker 1>and now you're trying to un plug from showtime mode,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're trying to tell your body work time is

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<v Speaker 1>over and now it's time to relax and unwind and

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<v Speaker 1>go to sleep. I think, for myself and for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of journalists who are used to that kind of quick,

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<v Speaker 1>fast paced, fast thinking life, it's when you try to

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<v Speaker 1>step back from that that then you start to have

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<v Speaker 1>a problem because you lay down in bed and you're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to tell your body it's time to go to sleep,

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<v Speaker 1>and your body's still in go mode.

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<v Speaker 2>We all know at this point that stress can really

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<v Speaker 2>do a number on our bodies. But I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to an expert to learn more about how stress

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<v Speaker 2>and anxiety impact our sleep. So I decided to catch

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<v Speaker 2>up with doctor Jade Wu. She's a Board certified sleep psychologist, researcher,

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<v Speaker 2>and author of the book Hello Sleep, The Science and

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<v Speaker 2>Art of Overcoming Insomnia Without Medications. And so, with the

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<v Speaker 2>high stress environment of working in a newsroom like Dianda's,

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<v Speaker 2>could you walk us through how stress affects sleep. We

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<v Speaker 2>know that not getting enough sleep can be stressful, but

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<v Speaker 2>how does having high levels of stress effect your sleep?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, stress and sleep are not good friends. So when

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<v Speaker 4>we experience a lot of stress, especially chronic stress, hour

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<v Speaker 4>after hour, day after day kind of stress, the message

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<v Speaker 4>that's sending to our bodies is there must be a

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<v Speaker 4>predator on our tail, because otherwise, why are you so

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<v Speaker 4>high octane all the time, Why are you going, going, going,

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<v Speaker 4>Why is your heart rate up and your cortisol levels

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<v Speaker 4>are up? You know, all of this is telling our

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<v Speaker 4>bodies there must be a predator. So if there is

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<v Speaker 4>a predator, obviously the last thing you want to do

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<v Speaker 4>is sleep. So it's really hard to turn on and

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<v Speaker 4>off that switch to say, Okay, now I'm on, i

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<v Speaker 4>am reporting breaking news, I am you know, chasing down leads,

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<v Speaker 4>I am in front of the camera in front of

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<v Speaker 4>millions of people, and then switch it off like Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm alone in my quiet room and I want to

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<v Speaker 4>sleep now. It's really hard to just, you know, switch

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<v Speaker 4>on and off like that and get into sleepy mode.

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<v Speaker 2>So, if we're going about our days and tackling the

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<v Speaker 2>challenges that life throws at us, how can we tell

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<v Speaker 2>when stress is reaching a point where it's actively impacting

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<v Speaker 2>our sleep.

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<v Speaker 4>So one of the most common things I hear is

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<v Speaker 4>tired but wired. So someone is exhausted, they're dragging, they

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<v Speaker 4>can't concentrate, they don't feel well. They just want to

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<v Speaker 4>crawl into bed like everything in their body is screaming

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<v Speaker 4>for rest. But when they get into bed, they can't sleep.

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<v Speaker 4>They have insodom. Yet they're staring at the ceiling, They're

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<v Speaker 4>tossing and turning, their mind is racing, you know, and

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes they even feel like panicky feelings in their body.

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<v Speaker 4>That racing mind needs some sort of release. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>you can't just keep kicking the can down the road.

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<v Speaker 4>Your thoughts, your mind really do need your attention. So

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<v Speaker 4>if all day long you're saying, Okay, I'm busy, I'm distracted,

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<v Speaker 4>and I don't have time to process my thoughts or emotions.

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<v Speaker 4>If the first time in your day that you have

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<v Speaker 4>a chance to us your thoughts your emotions is at bedtime,

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<v Speaker 4>when you lay down and it's finally quite and dark,

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<v Speaker 4>then of course your racing mind is going to come

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<v Speaker 4>out to play. It's like been waiting patiently all day,

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<v Speaker 4>like a child talking at your sleep. Okay, now I've

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<v Speaker 4>got your full attention. Let me tell you all of

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<v Speaker 4>the things. This is the tired, bit wired phenomenon that

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of high stress jobs will bring, because then

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<v Speaker 4>your body and mind are really confused about what is day,

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<v Speaker 4>what is night? You know what is on time, what

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<v Speaker 4>is off time, so it has a hard time keeping

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<v Speaker 4>up that. You know biological rhythm to help you up

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<v Speaker 4>regulate when you should be awake, down, regulate when you

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<v Speaker 4>should be asleep. We really should set aside time during

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<v Speaker 4>the day to process our thoughts, to review what we're feeling,

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<v Speaker 4>what we're doing. Let your mind stretch its wings so

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<v Speaker 4>that your mind isn't like jonesing to go at bedtime.

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<v Speaker 4>So this tired but wired feeling is definitely a telltale.

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<v Speaker 2>Sign stress plus crazy hours. Diane was feeling the weight

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<v Speaker 2>of her job and I was impacting her sleep, and

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<v Speaker 2>the little sleep she was getting was starting to impact

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<v Speaker 2>other aspects of her health as well.

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<v Speaker 1>When I first started experiencing issues, I didn't realize that

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<v Speaker 1>they were tied to my sleep. But the first thing

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<v Speaker 1>I noticed was I had horrible acid reflux almost as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as I started working in early morning news. So

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<v Speaker 1>I saw all these doctors about my acid reflux. They

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<v Speaker 1>put me on all this different medication. I started making

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<v Speaker 1>all these dietary changes. Nothing helped, and in fact, I

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<v Speaker 1>started pushing my dinner time earlier and earlier and earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>because I kept reading that you have to have a

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<v Speaker 1>big space between your last meal and the time that

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<v Speaker 1>you go to sleep in order to prevent acid reflux.

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<v Speaker 1>What I didn't know, and what no one ever talks about,

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<v Speaker 1>is that for some people, it's really hard to go

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<v Speaker 1>to bed when you're hungry, and lack of sleep can

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<v Speaker 1>cause acid reflux.

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<v Speaker 3>The other symptom I noticed was dry eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>I started feeling just this, this is comfort in my

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<v Speaker 1>eyes that I had never felt before, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know what was causing it. I started feeling foggy at times,

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<v Speaker 1>mentally foggy, like I couldn't focus, and I felt exhausted,

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<v Speaker 1>but not sleepy. I think the breaking point for me

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<v Speaker 1>ended up being when I developed a tolerance to ambient

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<v Speaker 1>So I called my doctor and her advice to me was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you're only taking half of the lowest dose,

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<v Speaker 1>so just take.

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<v Speaker 3>A full pill.

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<v Speaker 1>And I kind of decided right then and there that

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<v Speaker 1>this is not going to be the way forward for me.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was kind of my big Eureka moment of

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<v Speaker 1>I need to find a better solution.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Wu has seen many struggle with sleep the same

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<v Speaker 2>way Diane has, and she recognizes that when you get

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<v Speaker 2>to this breaking point, it can be hard to see

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<v Speaker 2>the path out of poor sleep.

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<v Speaker 4>To see patients who are really struggling and who really

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<v Speaker 4>feel like they've tried everything then feeling kind of hopeless,

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<v Speaker 4>to be able to turn that around for them, to

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<v Speaker 4>give them optimism and to really help them to re

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<v Speaker 4>connect with their sleep really kind of changes their whole life.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's a famous saying among really busy people,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll sleep when I'm dead.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, I heard that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sure you get that a lot. What are

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<v Speaker 2>some of your big highlights for why sleep is so important? Ted?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you what do you say to people who say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I can skimp on sleep and focus on

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<v Speaker 2>other things.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, to me, sleep is not just the empty space

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<v Speaker 4>in between your days, right. Sometimes we think of it

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<v Speaker 4>as like, oh, it's just filler. It's just like quiet time,

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<v Speaker 4>and if I can squeeze more into my day, how

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<v Speaker 4>awesome would that be. But the problem is that if

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<v Speaker 4>you don't sleep well, then you don't have that nourishment,

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<v Speaker 4>you don't have that basic foundation for health and well being.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think of it as empty space. I think

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<v Speaker 4>of it as water in between continents. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 4>the very thing that makes life possible. So we do

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<v Speaker 4>need to fill our oceans and make sure that, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we have the rest that we need, we have the

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<v Speaker 4>sleep that we need.

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<v Speaker 2>It's amazing how interconnected all of these pieces are within

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<v Speaker 2>our brains. It's like a car engine. When everything is

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<v Speaker 2>going well, you can just cruise on down the street.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you have a bad radiator or one of

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<v Speaker 2>your spark plugs is out of whack, well you might

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<v Speaker 2>still get the car from point A to point B,

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<v Speaker 2>but it will be a struggle and one that can

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<v Speaker 2>become dangerous. So how do you solve a serious sleep

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<v Speaker 2>problem like a journalist, Well, you report on it.

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<v Speaker 1>I sat down with my producers at World News Now,

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<v Speaker 1>and given we were an overnight show, I knew our audience,

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<v Speaker 1>many of them, presumably were struggling with a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the same issues. I knew a lot of my coworkers

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<v Speaker 1>were two for that matter, and so I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to set out on this mission to fix

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<v Speaker 1>my sleep. Do you guys want me to document it?

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<v Speaker 1>And I will find doctors and do whatever they ask

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<v Speaker 1>me to do, and we can put together the story

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that I try and what works and

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<v Speaker 1>what doesn't, and then we'll bring it to our viewers

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<v Speaker 1>and so they can learn from it.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be right back after a brief message from our

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<v Speaker 2>partners at Mattress Firm, and now back to chasing sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>In my quest to find a doctor to work with

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<v Speaker 1>me to do this whole news story and document my adventure.

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<v Speaker 1>I had learned that cognitive behavioral therapy is the gold

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<v Speaker 1>standard treatment for insomnia. Once we finally got this test done,

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<v Speaker 1>I got the official insomnia diagnosis. So I started reading

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<v Speaker 1>more and more about CBTI because I knew that that's

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<v Speaker 1>what was going to be coming next for me, and

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<v Speaker 1>in the effort to be a very prepared journalist, I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to get ahead of the game as much as

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<v Speaker 1>I could and understand what it is that I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be covering and talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>And part of the reason we.

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<v Speaker 1>Experienced insomnia over and over and over again is because

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<v Speaker 1>we spend so much time awake and frustrated in bed

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<v Speaker 1>that your brain starts to learn that bed is not

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<v Speaker 1>a calm, safe space where we go to be sleepy.

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<v Speaker 1>Your brain starts to learn, oh, bed is a stressful

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<v Speaker 1>place where we have to be alert. And so going

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<v Speaker 1>to bed triggers this arousal that keeps you awake. It's

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<v Speaker 1>why you feel like you're dozing off on the couch

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<v Speaker 1>one second, and then all of a sudden you go

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<v Speaker 1>to go to sleep and boom, you're wide awake and

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<v Speaker 1>your brain is going a mile a minute. That's something

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<v Speaker 1>called conditioned arousal.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need to be a news anchor to have

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<v Speaker 2>experienced this feeling. Your muscles are sore, your body is

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<v Speaker 2>begging for sleep, but you just lie on the bed

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<v Speaker 2>and stare at the ceiling. More often than not, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the manifestation of the effects of stress on your

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<v Speaker 2>sleeping cycle. So now the question is how do we

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<v Speaker 2>fix this? Is there anything we can do from our

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise comfortable beds to get our minds into sleep mode.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually, most of what we can do about this is

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<v Speaker 4>what we do outside of bed. So for example, leading

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<v Speaker 4>up to bedtime, we really need to have a nice

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<v Speaker 4>wind down routine, a buffer zone between the day and

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<v Speaker 4>the night, or for people who are working nights between

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<v Speaker 4>you know, they're on time versus off time. That might

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<v Speaker 4>be the best way to describe it. So leading up

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<v Speaker 4>to bedtime, we need to be switching from doing mode

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<v Speaker 4>to being mode. So doing mode is like getting our

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<v Speaker 4>chores done, crossing off to do lists, getting the kids

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<v Speaker 4>ready for bed, preparing for work, checking emails, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>doing all of these things that are goal oriented and

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<v Speaker 4>very active. We want to be switching from that mode

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<v Speaker 4>to being mode, which is more like getting in touch

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<v Speaker 4>with our body, getting in touch with our emotions, kind

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<v Speaker 4>of winding down from the day and putting a way

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<v Speaker 4>to do lists, putting away sort of goal oriented activities

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<v Speaker 4>and really switching more to a grounded, centered kind of mode.

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<v Speaker 4>And to do that, you know, we can really design

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<v Speaker 4>our own wind down routines. Often people will have a

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<v Speaker 4>nice you know, like bath or shower, skincare routine, get

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<v Speaker 4>into Pj's, cuddle off with the dog, maybe read the

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<v Speaker 4>book for a little bit, chat with your partner, but

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<v Speaker 4>save you know, big conversations for tomorrow because we're winding

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<v Speaker 4>down out. So having that buffer in between your really

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<v Speaker 4>on go, go go kind of day versus your relaxing

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<v Speaker 4>and sleepy night is very important.

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<v Speaker 2>The driving forces that push us to calm down and

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<v Speaker 2>actually get some rest are so strong, and the unique

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<v Speaker 2>stresses of journalism require unique solutions. I was curious, how

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<v Speaker 2>do journalists like Diane take some of the more tragic

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<v Speaker 2>or emotional parts of the job and release them in

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<v Speaker 2>order to get the amount of rest that they need.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think I've just sort of naturally, through the

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<v Speaker 1>course of doing this job for so long, learned that

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<v Speaker 1>I need to create a separation to be able to function,

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<v Speaker 1>But that doesn't mean that you know, there aren't some

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<v Speaker 1>stories that do affect you in that way. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think for me, it's been a lot of just about

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<v Speaker 1>just acceptance.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's okay if I'm not shedding tears about every story

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<v Speaker 1>that I report on air, even if they are a tragedy,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's also okay if every now and then there

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<v Speaker 1>is one where I do shed tears on air about it.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, if I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Crying over every story, that would probably be fine too.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think a lot of it is just sort

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<v Speaker 1>of accepting what your body needs to do to process

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<v Speaker 1>those emotions, and just to make sure you are acknowledging

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<v Speaker 1>them and processing them, which I think I do a technique.

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<v Speaker 3>That I have used.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not necessarily about separating the sympathy and empathy part

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<v Speaker 1>of things, but more about organizing my thoughts and my

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<v Speaker 1>worries and my feeling. Sort of processing all of that

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<v Speaker 1>and realizing what I can and can't control. I think

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<v Speaker 1>has been a huge part of my sleep recovery. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is a practice called constructive worry, and I often

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<v Speaker 1>just refer to it as a worry list or a

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<v Speaker 1>brain dump because it sounds so silly, but you just

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<v Speaker 1>you take a notebook and you divide a page down

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<v Speaker 1>the center, and on the left hand side of the

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<v Speaker 1>page you just write down anything that's on your mind,

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of thing that would keep you awake at night,

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<v Speaker 1>or that might wake you up in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the night. And now your brain starts racing. Write any

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<v Speaker 1>of that stuff on the page, and then on the

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<v Speaker 1>right hand side you write down the very next step

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<v Speaker 1>toward resolving that issue. The exercise itself also gets you

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<v Speaker 1>focused on solutions instead of problems. And when you're stuck

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<v Speaker 1>in this sort of insomnia cycle where you get into

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<v Speaker 1>a pattern of going to bed and suddenly your brain

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<v Speaker 1>starts racing, we often at that time are more susceptible

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<v Speaker 1>to catastrophic thinking, and so we often will ruminate on

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<v Speaker 1>problems and it will feel like there's no way out

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<v Speaker 1>of this. And so by doing this exercise, you sort

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<v Speaker 1>of retrain your brain into thinking, Okay, problem, solution, what

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<v Speaker 1>are we going to do about that, instead of just problem, problem,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, problem. And part of the reason why

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<v Speaker 1>we cauldastrophize, at least one of the leading theories on

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<v Speaker 1>it is that the areas of our brain that focus

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<v Speaker 1>on things like rational thinking turn off while we're sleeping.

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<v Speaker 1>They kind of sleep as well, and so if you're

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<v Speaker 1>awake in the middle of the night, let's say at

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<v Speaker 1>a time that you're normally sleeping, that part of your

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<v Speaker 1>brain is still asleep. So now you're thinking about your problems,

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<v Speaker 1>but without the part of your brain that controls the

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<v Speaker 1>irrational thought. That's why it's so much easier to go

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<v Speaker 1>into that spiral in the middle of the night. And

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<v Speaker 1>often I found by writing things down, when I look

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<v Speaker 1>at them the next day, it seemed absurd that I

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<v Speaker 1>was so worried about this thing. And I think just

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<v Speaker 1>knowing that helps the next time you're in that position

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<v Speaker 1>to realize, wow, I think it's the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>world that this thing happened, But it's probably just because it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Two o'clock in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>And I bet, just like last time, when you know

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<v Speaker 1>it's nine am, I'm going to realize that this really

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<v Speaker 1>isn't so bad. And sometimes just knowing that can help

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<v Speaker 1>turn the temperature down on that anxiety that's keeping you awake.

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<v Speaker 2>Diane's journey to find better sleep took her down a

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<v Speaker 2>path of a lot of research and reporting, and ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>she wrote a book. It's called The Sleep Fix Practical,

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<v Speaker 2>proven and Surprising Solutions for insomnia, snoring, shift work, and more.

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<v Speaker 2>Her goal in writing the book was to help others

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<v Speaker 2>learn from her struggles and discoveries so they could find

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<v Speaker 2>fixes to their own sleep problems.

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<v Speaker 1>I think one of the hardest parts for me was

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know it was anxiety that was keeping me awake.

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading all of these articles and all of

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<v Speaker 1>these things about the temperature in the room and the

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<v Speaker 1>perfect bedtime routine and swearing off screens and quitting caffeine,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was trying all of these things. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't consider myself an anxious person in general, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea that it was anxiety that was

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<v Speaker 1>playing such a huge role in.

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<v Speaker 3>Why I wasn't sleeping.

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<v Speaker 1>If I had known that, I probably would have sought

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<v Speaker 1>out therapy or some you know, other techniques to address that.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's not what I was looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking for sleep solutions, and generally sleep solutions

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<v Speaker 1>don't address anxiety. And really, textbook insomnia just means your

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<v Speaker 1>arousal levels are too high. It essentially my layman's translation

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<v Speaker 1>for it is Insomnia is when you can't sleep because

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<v Speaker 1>you can't relax, and there are a number of things

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<v Speaker 1>that can do that for you. It can happen if

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<v Speaker 1>you're too excited about something, but of course it can

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<v Speaker 1>also happen if you're really stressed and worried about something,

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<v Speaker 1>and normally if it happens for a long time, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the latter. So for me, the anxiety, you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>addressing this sort of fast paced lifestyle and just the

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<v Speaker 1>way that my brain works was something that I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stumbled into accidentally.

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<v Speaker 2>So for our listeners who may be curious about their

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<v Speaker 2>own sleep, he adventure, do you have any advice for

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<v Speaker 2>how people can assess and may get a better understanding

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<v Speaker 2>of their own sleep.

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<v Speaker 4>I do recommend that if you're struggling with your sleep,

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<v Speaker 4>consult with a sleep specialist, even just to get an

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<v Speaker 4>assessment to figure out, you know, is it because of

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<v Speaker 4>shift work or do you have another sleep disorder. There

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<v Speaker 4>are so many things that we don't know that we

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<v Speaker 4>don't know about sleep, So I really caution folks not

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<v Speaker 4>to just go down that internet rabbit hole of reading

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<v Speaker 4>loss and lots of articles and self diagnosing. There are

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<v Speaker 4>people who also work too hard on their sleep. I

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<v Speaker 4>have lots of insomnia patients, for example, who say they

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<v Speaker 4>have the perfect sleep hygiene routine from all these articles

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<v Speaker 4>they've read, but now they're trying so hard to perfect

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<v Speaker 4>their sleep routine that they are kind of psyching themselves

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<v Speaker 4>up and almost creating insomnia anxiety in the evenings for themselves,

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<v Speaker 4>and they end up with orthosomnia, which is the condition

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<v Speaker 4>of having insomnia because you're working too hard to track

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<v Speaker 4>your sleep. Everyone's situation is different, and that's why I

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<v Speaker 4>think seeking help from a sleep professional is so important. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 4>I think listening to our bodies and trusting our bodies

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<v Speaker 4>to tell us, like if you feel sleepy, that's your

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<v Speaker 4>body trying to tell you something important, and if you

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<v Speaker 4>feel awake, that's also a sign that maybe it's not

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<v Speaker 4>time to force sleep, it's not the right timing, or

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<v Speaker 4>you just don't have enough sleep drive yet. So I

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<v Speaker 4>think listening to your body is a good start, and

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<v Speaker 4>consulting with a sleep specialist can kind of take you

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<v Speaker 4>all the way. As a news anchor, of course, you

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<v Speaker 4>have to be really on right for the cameras, and

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<v Speaker 4>you have to be really sharp mentally, you have to

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<v Speaker 4>ask challenging questions to whoever you're interviewing. All of those

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<v Speaker 4>things require mental focus, being alert, It requires being to

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<v Speaker 4>switch gears in your mind very quickly. All of that

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<v Speaker 4>improves when you have better sleep and better circadian functioning.

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<v Speaker 4>So if we can stay on track with our rhythms

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<v Speaker 4>and have that good quality sleep, then we can definitely

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<v Speaker 4>function better as a news anchor or a whatever we

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<v Speaker 4>do with our lives.

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<v Speaker 2>The drive and determination that allowed Diane to thrive in

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<v Speaker 2>the high octane field of journalism is also what allowed

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<v Speaker 2>her to fix her sleep when it was veering dangerously

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<v Speaker 2>off track. And with the return of good sleep came

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<v Speaker 2>all the health benefits too.

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<v Speaker 1>Once I just started to sleep better, all of these things,

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<v Speaker 1>like a flywheel now turning in the right direction, started

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<v Speaker 1>getting better.

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<v Speaker 3>My acid reflux went away.

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<v Speaker 1>My eating habits improved, because when you lack sleep, your

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<v Speaker 1>hormones for feeling hungry and feeling satisfied get completely thrown

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<v Speaker 1>out of wax. So suddenly I just started eating better

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<v Speaker 1>without even trying, as opposed to before I was trying

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<v Speaker 1>all these diets and all these different things to improve

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<v Speaker 1>my eating habits. That just sort of fell into place.

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<v Speaker 1>My dry eyes went away, my thought process felt clearer.

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<v Speaker 1>I started making better decisions and feeling less tempted by

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<v Speaker 1>things like screen time at night. And you just start

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<v Speaker 1>to realize how much it all ties together, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you can just pull on one thread, sometimes that's enough

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<v Speaker 1>to get everything then moving in the right direction. So

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<v Speaker 1>much of this journey for me has been learning to

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<v Speaker 1>surrender in many ways.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't be.

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<v Speaker 1>The doer, the fixer, the perfectionist here in many ways

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<v Speaker 1>I have to learn to let go and now the

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<v Speaker 1>ability to sit at this seat for ABC News Live

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<v Speaker 1>and have people invite me now not only into their

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<v Speaker 1>homes every day, but their offices every day, the gym

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<v Speaker 1>every day, wherever it is that they are watching.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you really feel like you form a relationship with

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<v Speaker 3>the viewers.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't take that lightly, and I feel really privileged

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all for this episode. Join me again next week,

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<v Speaker 2>when we learn about how healthcare professionals prioritize and schedule

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<v Speaker 2>sleep while they're saving lives. We'll hear from an er

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<v Speaker 2>doctor in New York City about how he chases sleep

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<v Speaker 2>through the stress of changing work schedules and life and

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<v Speaker 2>death scenarios.

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<v Speaker 5>During residency, I had to do ICU rotations that did

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<v Speaker 5>have twenty four to twenty seven hour shifts. Doesn't sound

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<v Speaker 5>possible and I didn't think it was, but somehow you

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<v Speaker 5>make it through it.

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<v Speaker 2>You can find me on Twitter at Anahad O'Connor. Until

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<v Speaker 2>next time, hoping you're living your best while sleeping your best.

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<v Speaker 2>Chasing Sleep is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with

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<v Speaker 2>Mattress Firm. Our executive producer is Molly Sosha, our EP

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<v Speaker 2>of post is Matt Stillo, our producer is Sierra Kaiser,

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<v Speaker 2>and this show is hosted by Anahad O'Connor.