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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, September twenty eight to twenty seventeen, Season thirteen,
Speaker 1: episode number forty six. Welcome to a new edition of
Speaker 1: The Break. I'm Derek Eagleton. We're joined by our normal
Speaker 1: cast here. We're in the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star.
Speaker 1: How's everybody feeling this morning? Hello, Derek, good, I feel good? Good. Amber. No,
Speaker 1: I don't know why you say no. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to ever stop that. You know that we've been doing
Speaker 1: this for a long time. Every once in a while,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, Nick, everyone is once a year. That's
Speaker 1: not true. I called you Nikki the other day and
Speaker 1: you actually were okay with you, Like, Hey, what's up?
Speaker 1: So Nikki eats Nikki? It's really Nick e right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's true, Nick, It's accurate. Okay, I'm doing swell. Thank
Speaker 1: you very good. One's fine. All right, let's jump in.
Speaker 1: Let's talk football. How are you doing? You know, that's
Speaker 1: the first time anybody's ever done it? Right, We don't
Speaker 1: spend it back to you. Thank you. I'm feeling fine.
Speaker 1: I don't care for whatever that's worth. I really did. Yeah. Right,
Speaker 1: that's that's new and novel and different. All right, let's talk.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Cowboys. Let's get first into a
Speaker 1: little bit news on DeMarcus Lawrence. Yesterday we heard found
Speaker 1: out that he was a named Defensive Player of the
Speaker 1: Week after his really good game last week versus the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: And then today we find out nick Defensive Player of
Speaker 1: the Month, Defensive Player of the month. They just keep
Speaker 1: rolling in these awards. Don't you just see you're one
Speaker 1: step away from Defensive Player of the year, are you?
Speaker 1: I think he's a few steps away from defensive player
Speaker 1: of the year. I mean weeks, months, year. Okay? You
Speaker 1: are you? Is that what you're thinking is going to happen? Like?
Speaker 1: Is that your hot take of the day. I mean
Speaker 1: he's on paced, you know, for thirty five sacks in
Speaker 1: the year, so the record is only twenty three twenty six.
Speaker 1: So yeah, twenty six. Yeah, he's on face for that. No,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if he'll be a Defensive
Speaker 1: Player of the Year, but we'll see. It's one of
Speaker 1: those situations where like you're like, oh, he won Defensive
Speaker 1: Player of the Week in the month, but like you
Speaker 1: had the graphic made up for it yesterday because it's
Speaker 1: that obvious. It's like, oh, what an honor. Of course
Speaker 1: I am, but yeah, in other words, it wasn't made preseason,
Speaker 1: Like this wasn't a graphic that was made preseason. Is
Speaker 1: that what you're getting. No, I'm saying he's been so
Speaker 1: damn good that we I mean, you know, Taylor and
Speaker 1: Shannon hopefully had those graphics done way ahead of time,
Speaker 1: because that mean it's obvious three sacks in a game
Speaker 1: and three tackles for lost six point five sacks on
Speaker 1: the season really should be seven. But whatever, either way,
Speaker 1: it's not shocking to hear, is what I'm trying to say. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good for him, really good for him, and hopefully he
Speaker 1: can keep it up because the Cowboys really needed I
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting yesterday when you guys made the
Speaker 1: point that it's hard to find a unit on this
Speaker 1: team that's better than the defensive line. And I think
Speaker 1: obviously most of that, it's not hard. Good part is
Speaker 1: about him. It's not hard to find it. You can't.
Speaker 1: You can't objectively, with any basis of facts, say that
Speaker 1: a unit on this team has been better than the
Speaker 1: defensive line. It's a good point. Yeah there, I mean,
Speaker 1: they've been phenomenal. Well, I will say this, and as
Speaker 1: I did think about it a little bit last night,
Speaker 1: I still think you probably a part of them being
Speaker 1: run on in Denver was about that defensive line as well. So,
Speaker 1: as you said after the Denver game, you can't just
Speaker 1: pooh pooh that and just act like that didn't happen.
Speaker 1: That's a significant thing. But everybody else sucked in that
Speaker 1: game too, So relatively speaking, yeah, yeah, they had a
Speaker 1: bad just because everyone was so bad. They've been way
Speaker 1: better when they've been good, and just as bad when
Speaker 1: they've been bad. Yeah, so they're better. All right, let's
Speaker 1: get into some injury talk. Cowboys had I thought a
Speaker 1: pretty positive injury report. Now, of course, yesterday was just
Speaker 1: a walk through, glorified walkthrough, But Dave catch us up
Speaker 1: on the injuries and who didn't practice and who did
Speaker 1: practice on a limited basis it is a walkthrough, So
Speaker 1: I can't stress enough how I mean, if you've seen
Speaker 1: the video of the morning walkthroughs an ox Nard, that's
Speaker 1: what it looked like. Like guys are wearing backward hats.
Speaker 1: Guys are kind of like half jogging in position. Can't
Speaker 1: stress enough? How not like a real practice this was.
Speaker 1: But the most encouraging thing of this entire situation is
Speaker 1: that Jordan Lewis isn't even on the injury report, which
Speaker 1: means he's fine or that's what it should mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's what I've got my eye on. If he's
Speaker 1: not even on the injury report on Wednesday, then I
Speaker 1: fully expect him to play on Sunday, which is huge.
Speaker 1: It's gigantic. Chittabey Woozier was limited, as was Nolan Carroll. Right,
Speaker 1: feel better about Carroll since, I mean, I know that
Speaker 1: your brain is super duper important, but it's not a
Speaker 1: you know, a physical ailment that can hinder you from
Speaker 1: moving around on a practice fields. And wouldn't you think
Speaker 1: with concussions, you're if you're even in a walkthrough, you
Speaker 1: don't want him doing anything if they still are showing signs,
Speaker 1: if you've been cleared to go out and do football
Speaker 1: things on a field. I assume that that's a very
Speaker 1: positive sign for your moving in the right direction. Whereas cheeto.
Speaker 1: Hamstrings are tricky, it's hard to really say, yeah, um,
Speaker 1: Sean Lee was a DNP, which is you know, take
Speaker 1: that for what it's worth. He said yesterday that he
Speaker 1: feels optimistic that this isn't as bad as some other
Speaker 1: hamstring injuries that he's had, but you and that goes
Speaker 1: back to the conversation we had about Odell Beckham that
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys that if he can find
Speaker 1: a way, he's going to find a way and probably
Speaker 1: shouldn't bet against him. But guy with an injury history
Speaker 1: like Sean Lee on short week's rest because of Monday
Speaker 1: Night football, I me, personally, I'm leaning towards just like,
Speaker 1: let's try to get through a game without him and
Speaker 1: not risk him, you know, risk losing him for further
Speaker 1: weeks just because of one game. It's a tough game
Speaker 1: to do it with that running back you're facing, but
Speaker 1: sure is. But it's just it's just a thought that
Speaker 1: I had when I saw that yesterday, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'd rather I'd rather not rush him
Speaker 1: and have him healthy than try to wind up in
Speaker 1: a situation where he's out for even more time. What
Speaker 1: did they list Hitchens that he was limited? Hitchens's hitchensitive.
Speaker 1: Hitchens ran scout team yesterday. That's positive, right, Oh yeah
Speaker 1: again walk through. But he was out there doing football things.
Speaker 1: He was part of an eleven on eleven situation, which
Speaker 1: is news. So I like, after the buy for him,
Speaker 1: I leaned toward that. Yeah, but I mean that's only
Speaker 1: two games away. That's not far and that's kind of
Speaker 1: what the original thought was, that you kind of get
Speaker 1: through the buy and then after that he should be back, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope. So a linebacker situation looks we'll start looking
Speaker 1: pretty good if if you can you know, if if
Speaker 1: considering nothing would happen, I guess with Damien Wilson, I
Speaker 1: can't imagine the NFL doing anything with that at this point.
Speaker 1: But you know, with with you got Hitchings coming back,
Speaker 1: Sean Lee and then obviously Jayalen Smith, just any kind
Speaker 1: of rotation there, and they're starting to work Duran in
Speaker 1: there a little bit more too. So a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, it looks really troublesome, but now it's getting better.
Speaker 1: If they can get through this game with Sean Lee
Speaker 1: or without him, or depending what happens. He's told a
Speaker 1: few reporters in the locker room, he said, hamstrings, it's
Speaker 1: one of those things. It's like neither it fires up
Speaker 1: or it doesn't. I mean, it's not like it's you
Speaker 1: can kind of limp around on it. I mean, if
Speaker 1: it doesn't go for you, then you can't do anything.
Speaker 1: But he did, like Dave said, he said, I've had
Speaker 1: worse ones than this. Yeah, And so I guess all
Speaker 1: in all, when you look at the injury report, I
Speaker 1: think there were a lot of positive things that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys can at least be hopeful about moving forward. I
Speaker 1: forgot to mention Stephen Pia sat out also. That's I
Speaker 1: feel like that's just gonna be a thing that doesn't
Speaker 1: completely go away for him. I've kind of put this
Speaker 1: in the category of romo of you know Tyron Smith
Speaker 1: last year, right. I just put this in the category
Speaker 1: of it's one of those things where I just expect
Speaker 1: to see Stephen pie on the injury list most of
Speaker 1: the season, and if you don't, then then maybe that
Speaker 1: means it that week he just feels great, but more
Speaker 1: than likely just to manage him. It sounds like that's
Speaker 1: going to be a normal thing, unless they and me speculating.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything, but I guess they could sit
Speaker 1: him down and do a Nyard thing, may designate him
Speaker 1: to return if they wanted to, But as long as
Speaker 1: he can keep managing it and playing every week, I
Speaker 1: feel like they wouldn't want to do that. I guess.
Speaker 1: Doesn't sound like this is something that's gonna go away.
Speaker 1: It sounds like it's just thing. It's there, So I
Speaker 1: don't know if I are necessary. If you signed him,
Speaker 1: you kind of it. It's like a lot of football injuries,
Speaker 1: like it would probably go away if you sat him
Speaker 1: down for a couple of months to get it better.
Speaker 1: But if he can, it's like, but wasn't this something
Speaker 1: that he was struggling with in the past already? Right,
Speaker 1: he had struggled with it in the past. But again,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like it's like DeMarcus Lawrence's backs, Like
Speaker 1: it's there and you could have surgery on it, or
Speaker 1: you could do something with it to help it get better.
Speaker 1: But if you can play, you're probably gonna play. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's football really same thing. You know, you could sit
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith down for a few weeks in his back
Speaker 1: would probably feel a lot better thinking back to last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I guess the point of what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: it sounds like what Amber's saying too, is that if
Speaker 1: it's something that's a recurring thing that's been happening over time,
Speaker 1: even if you sit him down, you'll get temporary relief,
Speaker 1: but as soon as you start playing again, it's probably
Speaker 1: gonna start nagging again. So just kind of manage it.
Speaker 1: And it sounds like they're just gonna manage it by
Speaker 1: giving him more rest and hopefully by Sundays every week
Speaker 1: he's ready to go. Yeah, I guess I just go
Speaker 1: back to thinking before he got here, he had a
Speaker 1: whole offseason and it is still something that he's struggling with,
Speaker 1: so and it might be a situation. We talked about
Speaker 1: them needing roster spots for players, obviously for David Irving
Speaker 1: next week. That's where I was trying to go with that.
Speaker 1: But Brian Price, oh, I was thinking you could move
Speaker 1: Pie down if you if his injuries that bad to
Speaker 1: make that spot. Well, I don't think that they would.
Speaker 1: I don't think they would. But what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: is that cutting price, you know, just because you need
Speaker 1: the spot. It's harder to get through a practice if
Speaker 1: if Pie is not going to work with you every Wednesday.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I mean, guys, I got on a
Speaker 1: practice squad to play defensive tackle one Lewis Neil. I
Speaker 1: don't think anyone would know that if they didn't go
Speaker 1: to the College of choice. That is offensive and not
Speaker 1: the practice. Lewis Neil kicked too much ascid training camp.
Speaker 1: I know people to not know who he was, but
Speaker 1: but you have to admit you know every single LSU
Speaker 1: play in the NFL. Honestly, I probably don't. There's so
Speaker 1: many of them. Not yes, oh wow, there's so many
Speaker 1: of them. They led the league. You probably know, right, Yes, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm a bit of a passionate LSU fan. I would
Speaker 1: tell it a homer. But whatever it was like that
Speaker 1: number might slow down a little bit. Maybe we'll see, um,
Speaker 1: things aren't going well up there. Whatever. I'm just asking
Speaker 1: Arkansas and Texas well, I'm asking I've never claimed that
Speaker 1: things are going great in Austin. I'm just asking. You know,
Speaker 1: the jury's out right, Okay, Um, I think I could know.
Speaker 1: I know, I can't name the whole practice squad because
Speaker 1: I haven't learned the name of the linebacker they just signed,
Speaker 1: Aravon Williams him, I don't think, and um, there's an
Speaker 1: offensive there's an offensive lineman they signed recently who I
Speaker 1: never bothered to learn his name either. But I think
Speaker 1: I got the other eight showers. Yeah, Jamil's back, Brian Brown,
Speaker 1: Lewis Neil. Um, I don't know the guys from camp. Well,
Speaker 1: that's usually what you're practice seah, That's what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: those are guys you know, because you kind of saw
Speaker 1: him play those other guys. It's kind of like hard
Speaker 1: to really Yeah, you're like, okay, i'la all right, let's
Speaker 1: move on. Let's talk a little bit about the Cowboys
Speaker 1: offense versus the Rams defense. And Dave, I know you
Speaker 1: were gonna watch the game last night or watch some
Speaker 1: footage of this team last night and give us a
Speaker 1: scouting reports. So what do you have? I did. I
Speaker 1: did watch the Rams defense on tape last night, and
Speaker 1: my main impression really is I'm sick of here in
Speaker 1: the phrase three four defense, because I mean that's what
Speaker 1: it is at the end of the day, but like,
Speaker 1: that's not what it looks like when these guys play.
Speaker 1: Like I watched the whole San Francisco game, so that's
Speaker 1: I don't know, And it's forty one thirty nine games,
Speaker 1: so you're talking about seventy something defensive snaps. They got
Speaker 1: four or five and six guys down on the line
Speaker 1: like every snap. I mean, yeah, Aaron Donald Mike Brockers
Speaker 1: are really like the key components of this. Like they're
Speaker 1: the two guys that you can count on to be
Speaker 1: down every single snap, but they move all over the place.
Speaker 1: They play like Donald plays three technique, he plays one technique,
Speaker 1: he plays five technique. Brockers plays zero technique, one technique,
Speaker 1: three technique, and five techniques. So they're lining up everywhere
Speaker 1: from the tackle to the guard to the center. You
Speaker 1: got Robert Quinn who plays wide wide. It's like that
Speaker 1: outside linebacker, but his hands on the ground more often
Speaker 1: than not. The same thing goes for Coon Curse type. Yeah,
Speaker 1: same thing goes for Connor Barwin, Like he's the outside linebacker,
Speaker 1: but he lines up as an end way more often
Speaker 1: than anything else. And then you have alec Ogletree who
Speaker 1: is within three feet of the ball damn near every snap,
Speaker 1: Like he's basically another lineman. They got a couple of
Speaker 1: he's basically blitzing every play. Is that what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get into that. Yeah. Not if he's not blitzing,
Speaker 1: he's just down near the line. And honestly, from what
Speaker 1: I watched, again, I'm not rot us. I didn't watch
Speaker 1: every game. I just watched last week, but he's a blitzer.
Speaker 1: He's an extra pass rusher because he's sure in't anything
Speaker 1: that impressed me in pass coverage, that's for sure, and
Speaker 1: honestly as a run stopper for that matter. I'll get
Speaker 1: more into that. The big takeaway that I came away with,
Speaker 1: And maybe this shouldn't be surprising for Wade Phillips's. These
Speaker 1: guys are really aggressive, super duper aggressive. Like again, this
Speaker 1: is a three four front. They send five and six
Speaker 1: man rushes all the time like a lot. Brockers and
Speaker 1: Donald are awesome, and they beat their man more often
Speaker 1: than not. I think if Donald doesn't beat his man
Speaker 1: and get into the backfield, it's because he didn't want
Speaker 1: to or that was not his assignment on that play.
Speaker 1: Because he does it all the time with ease, and
Speaker 1: I think the ease with which should they do it
Speaker 1: actually works against them because I swear to God so
Speaker 1: many times they like overran the play to the point
Speaker 1: where Harlow's hide has three guys in his face right
Speaker 1: here and he just kind of cuts to the left
Speaker 1: and there's green grass over here. That seemed like it
Speaker 1: happened all the time. Alec Ogletree, if he wasn't blitzing,
Speaker 1: he's down near the line. He gave up a thirty
Speaker 1: four yard gain down the seam to the fullback, the
Speaker 1: guy with the goofy name that I can't pronounce U.
Speaker 1: But the forty nine Ers signed him move the offseason
Speaker 1: from Baltimore. You guys, aren't you know not you're tight end?
Speaker 1: You said, fullback? Oh, fullback? The forty nine Ers gave
Speaker 1: a lucrative contract to a fullback. It's like jurishnick or
Speaker 1: it's a weird name, you're a vicious Nope, not right.
Speaker 1: Gave up a thirty four yard gain just really, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, did not look super amazing in coverage. Again,
Speaker 1: like I feel like their whole strategy is to get
Speaker 1: to the quarterback and if they don't. It's it's not
Speaker 1: gonna be pretty, and it's kind of successful honestly, because
Speaker 1: they got four sacks on Brian Hoyer. They forced him
Speaker 1: into an intercept and on the first play of the game.
Speaker 1: But okay, so so here here are the stats that
Speaker 1: kind of back up what I'm trying to say. They're
Speaker 1: twenty second in the league in yards per game. They're
Speaker 1: allowing one hundred and forty rushing yards per game, two
Speaker 1: hundred and five passing yards per game, and they're twenty
Speaker 1: sixth and scoring d largely off of giving up for
Speaker 1: thirty nine to the forty nine ers. But for all
Speaker 1: the talent they have, I just feel like they're aggressive
Speaker 1: to the point that it's not disciplined. Like they give
Speaker 1: they give up cut back lanes, they give up big gains.
Speaker 1: Hoyer hit he hit Pierre Garson for fifty nine yards
Speaker 1: one on one coverage against Tremaine Johnson. What else did
Speaker 1: they give up? They gave up They gave up two
Speaker 1: or three long gains, like right down the middle of
Speaker 1: the field, and San Francisco had four drops on top
Speaker 1: of that. Like, so the main thing I come away
Speaker 1: with is that, yeah, these guys are super aggressive, they
Speaker 1: and try to force you into a mistake. But in
Speaker 1: doing so, I feel like they made a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 1: They were penalized. The Rams were penalized seven times in
Speaker 1: this game. Five of those came on defense, off sides,
Speaker 1: off sides, too many men on the field, roughing the passer,
Speaker 1: defensive pass interference, all of which are undisciplined, not smart penalties.
Speaker 1: Roughing and the two off sides are results of trying
Speaker 1: to get to the quarterback and trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: make a statement with your pass rush. Um, going back
Speaker 1: to our conversation yesterday. Sorry if I'm ready, Um, there
Speaker 1: is a lot of talent here. Wait, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: the Rams have been mediocre to bad for more than
Speaker 1: a decade, so that's to be expected. But Rockers is
Speaker 1: twelfth overall. Donald is fourteenth overall. Robert backs is that
Speaker 1: what you go? Picks? Okay, gotcha? Sorry? Robert Quinn is
Speaker 1: eleventh overall. Ogletree is thirteenth overall. Mark Baron. Mark Baron
Speaker 1: is a safety who's he's their linebacker BAMA former buccaneer.
Speaker 1: He's traded to the Rams. Um Truemain Johnson right seventh overall.
Speaker 1: True that uh same draft as Mo, and he was
Speaker 1: better than Mo and Brockers was and you just kind
Speaker 1: of remember the guy I remember about the Brockers, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that were better than him. Truemaine Johnson, who's their big,
Speaker 1: feisty uh six three corner. He's starting a lot of
Speaker 1: crap when they practiced together at training camp. If you
Speaker 1: remember that a couple of years ago, where was he drafted.
Speaker 1: He's a third round pick. Um LaMarcus Joyner is their
Speaker 1: their main safety out of Florida State. He's a second
Speaker 1: round pick. So they got Yeah, they've got they got talent,
Speaker 1: and they they can do a lot of impressive stuff
Speaker 1: with it. Like I can't I can't express how impressive,
Speaker 1: particularly Brockers and Donald Ark, like they do whatever they
Speaker 1: want most of the time. But again, I feel like
Speaker 1: you can take advantage of a lot of that, and
Speaker 1: like all I was thinking about while I was watching
Speaker 1: this was like, oh, Dak can kill these guys with
Speaker 1: play action and stuff like that, because especially like the
Speaker 1: boot actions and the waggles and stuff like that, where
Speaker 1: you get the whole defense going one way and bring
Speaker 1: it back like they weren't ready for that on any level.
Speaker 1: When Brian Hoyer was doing it, and that's Brian Hoyer.
Speaker 1: That's without the talent that he has around him as well.
Speaker 1: Exactly like you know, I thought I said last week,
Speaker 1: Arizona was really aggressive, but they were disciplined. These guys,
Speaker 1: I just feel like they want to hit you and
Speaker 1: make a statement and worry about the rest of it later.
Speaker 1: Like it seems like just not a very disciplined group.
Speaker 1: Now it has turned into for them, it has turned
Speaker 1: into ten sacks, which they are now sixth in the
Speaker 1: NFL in sacks. And I guess the big question from
Speaker 1: that is do you think the Cowboys can take this
Speaker 1: aggressiveness or will take this aggressiveness and use it against him?
Speaker 1: What does that ten? Or do you think that'll be
Speaker 1: a problem for this offense. Well, I think that it'll
Speaker 1: be both. I mean it'll be a problem because you know,
Speaker 1: they'll catch them on times when they're not ready and
Speaker 1: they'll probably get a few sacks here and there. But
Speaker 1: it's just like that game in twenty fourteen, if you
Speaker 1: remember that they got up twenty one to nothing. I
Speaker 1: mean that their aggressiveness from generas Jenkins at the time
Speaker 1: got a pick six interception, but his aggressiveness also led
Speaker 1: to a touchdown by Dez Bryant that got him back
Speaker 1: in the game and turn things around, So you know,
Speaker 1: aggressiveness will work both ways. I think what's interesting is that,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously you talk about Wade Phillips wanting to
Speaker 1: come in here and probably do some great things against
Speaker 1: the Cowboys as a former coach, But let's not forget
Speaker 1: that that Scott Lenahan on the other side of the ball,
Speaker 1: also coached the Rams as a head coach didn't work
Speaker 1: out as well. Might have something to prove too, even
Speaker 1: though these aren't the same Rams, same city or anything.
Speaker 1: But I still I guarantee it will be a nice
Speaker 1: chess match between Lanahan and Wade Phillips. All Right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take our first break. When we come back, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask the question, Dave. I heard you talking about
Speaker 1: how these particularly the particularly Brockers and Aaron Donald move
Speaker 1: around quite a bit, and I'm gonna ask the question,
Speaker 1: do you think that this can create a problem for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys seeing as though they can now try to
Speaker 1: use those guys to exploit the weaker links of that
Speaker 1: offensive line. We'll talk about that when we come back.
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Speaker 1: Back to the Break, Welcome back. It's the second segment
Speaker 1: of The Break live from the SWBC Mortgage studios at
Speaker 1: the Star, and we're talking about the Cowboys offense versus
Speaker 1: the Rams defense. Dave gave us a good breakdown there,
Speaker 1: and Dave, one of the things that you talked about
Speaker 1: is how they tend to move around Michael Brocker's and
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald two of their better players, right, baby, two
Speaker 1: of the best players they have on defense. I would
Speaker 1: say definitely. And so my question is this offensive line.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys offensive line, We've talked a lot about it.
Speaker 1: There are two guys that are kind of new to
Speaker 1: their positions and so when I call them weaker links.
Speaker 1: It's not so much that I think they're bad players,
Speaker 1: and I want to be clear about that. It's more
Speaker 1: about the fact that they are new to their positions
Speaker 1: in this offensive line and they're being compared to guys
Speaker 1: that are all pros in the other three positions, which
Speaker 1: is also called a weaker link. That's okay, I know,
Speaker 1: I know, but I don't want it to be you know,
Speaker 1: it can be construed as you're saying, well, they're a bum,
Speaker 1: and I don't think that. I think they've actually played
Speaker 1: as well as the rest of the guys on that
Speaker 1: offensive line for the most part, because I think that
Speaker 1: game they played in Denver, you're all pros. We're having
Speaker 1: some right. So so all that being said, all I'm
Speaker 1: saying is do you think that with those two guys
Speaker 1: particularly and being as good at players as they are,
Speaker 1: and because they can move around and play a lot
Speaker 1: of different positions, do you think that this creates an
Speaker 1: opportunity for them to exploit those weaker links more than
Speaker 1: say another team that wouldn't have that flexibility across their
Speaker 1: defensive front. Yes. And if you're a fan of line play,
Speaker 1: I highly encourage you to get yourself a copy of
Speaker 1: game Pass and watched like all twenty two of these
Speaker 1: guys play, because it's really fun. Like, like I told you,
Speaker 1: where all they line up. But you think of defensive
Speaker 1: tackles as being like basically unathletic guys who just clog
Speaker 1: up the middle and try to force their way into
Speaker 1: the backfield. These dudes are athletic. Like you're talking about
Speaker 1: your two main defensive tackles running twist stunts. They ran
Speaker 1: a twist stunt where they were both lined up at
Speaker 1: five techniques so on the tackle, and they crossed each
Speaker 1: other and rushed on the opposite tackle. Wait, they were
Speaker 1: on the outside, both of them on the outside on
Speaker 1: the other side. Donald has lined up on the inside
Speaker 1: shoulder of the left tackle and Brockers has lined up
Speaker 1: on the inside shoulder of the right tackle. And they
Speaker 1: stunt and reverse and go at the other guy. And
Speaker 1: they were fast enough that they did it and it worked.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't even fathom that. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think essional game I don't think they didn't
Speaker 1: get a sack on the play, but like they got
Speaker 1: pressure and I saw it and I had to go
Speaker 1: back and watch it, like four task because everybody was confused,
Speaker 1: like I thought he was on the other side. How
Speaker 1: did he get over here? So saying, and then but
Speaker 1: they can also, you know, they'll they'll play on Frederick,
Speaker 1: They'll play on Martin, They'll definitely play on Chaz Green.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they won't be I mean, they're not afraid
Speaker 1: of the matchup an whatsoever. I mean, everybody will have
Speaker 1: their hands full with these guys. And then on top
Speaker 1: of that, I mean, you know Lyle Collins, you know
Speaker 1: he's had his hands full on the right side throughout
Speaker 1: the season of this point. I don't you know, Connor
Speaker 1: Barwin doesn't strike fear in your heart the way that
Speaker 1: von Miller does, but he's been very productive. He had
Speaker 1: a sack in this last game. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of that has to do with the attention that these
Speaker 1: other guys get. I mean, Robert Quinn had an eighteen
Speaker 1: or nineteen sacks season not all that long ago. So
Speaker 1: you're talking about guys who command a lot of respect
Speaker 1: and a lot of attention, and I think Barwin benefits
Speaker 1: from that. So I think I think Lyle is going
Speaker 1: to have his hands full dealing with him as well
Speaker 1: as these other guys because The point I'm trying to
Speaker 1: make is that they can all line up anywhere. And
Speaker 1: going back to my original point from the very beginning
Speaker 1: is yeah, they call it a three four, but they
Speaker 1: basically play permanently in nickel because you got your down linemen,
Speaker 1: then you bring in your linebackers. Mark Baron and Ogletree
Speaker 1: are only they're the only true linebackers that are ever
Speaker 1: on the field. So you're usually talking about at least four,
Speaker 1: if not five, guys that are trying to get to
Speaker 1: the passers. So offensive line is going to have its
Speaker 1: work cutout. It's like a huge game for Beasley. That's
Speaker 1: what it seems like to me. Well, yeah, actually, I
Speaker 1: was actually gonna go there next because it sounds like
Speaker 1: the strength of this defense is the front and if
Speaker 1: that's the case, then it sounds like there's an opportunity
Speaker 1: here in the passing game. Do you guys agree with that?
Speaker 1: So who is the guy you said bast for you?
Speaker 1: Who's that guy that you think has to show up
Speaker 1: this week and make plays for them from it seems
Speaker 1: like if there is a lot of pressure, you know
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a situation where you know you'll see
Speaker 1: they'll be a nickel where they they'll play a deep
Speaker 1: but they're gonna make sure and prevent the big play.
Speaker 1: But it seems like the middle, the underneath stuff will
Speaker 1: be there, and that's where Beasley and Winton and those
Speaker 1: guys really do their work. So I'd like to see them,
Speaker 1: you know, I think cold Beasley's gonna bounce back, and
Speaker 1: he didn't have a bad game, but he just wasn't
Speaker 1: targeted a lot. But I think that you'll see that
Speaker 1: this will be a game for him. I agree with that.
Speaker 1: I also I didn't come away from this impressed with
Speaker 1: Trumaine Johnson. He's a big guy, he's aggressive, he's physical.
Speaker 1: If he gets his hands on you, he's probably gonna
Speaker 1: tackle you. But he's I didn't I don't look at
Speaker 1: him as like a shutdown corner. I mean, Pierre Garson
Speaker 1: had a nice night in this game. He had a
Speaker 1: couple of big gainers. He had a couple of plays
Speaker 1: where he was left uncovered for one reason or another.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at this this will be the easiest
Speaker 1: matchup that Dez Bryant has by far through four weeks.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying he's going to have one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty yards or something crazy like that. But it
Speaker 1: should be far easier for him to get favorable looks
Speaker 1: in this game than it has been. I think. Can
Speaker 1: I say something, No, I was I was coming to you.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Now I was just gonna say I'm really not impressed
Speaker 1: by their defense. I'm not worried about it either. I
Speaker 1: know how you talked about a lot of these guys,
Speaker 1: and I do agree that they do have a lot
Speaker 1: of talent, but I don't think they've done enough with it.
Speaker 1: I don't think they've been as productive. I was looking
Speaker 1: at all the stats and just kind of comparing with
Speaker 1: the guys we have on our defense, and what they've
Speaker 1: done has been fairly similar to what the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: done so far. And I think we can all agree
Speaker 1: they haven't been impressive the Cowboys, aside from the defensive line,
Speaker 1: which they the Rams don't have or havn't done nearly
Speaker 1: as much as what our guys have done. Like DeMarcus Lawrence,
Speaker 1: which obviously we really know he's like the top guy
Speaker 1: right now, but as well as Malie Collins, so number
Speaker 1: wise and production wise, they just haven't done much to
Speaker 1: where um, I mean two words. Well, the one thing
Speaker 1: I will point out here is that Aaron Donald missed
Speaker 1: all training camp. He had a holdout, and so he's
Speaker 1: having to kind of work himself into shape. And if
Speaker 1: you go back and look at how he performed last year,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's many people that would say that productively,
Speaker 1: he's not every bit as good, if not better than
Speaker 1: any defensive tackle you probably want to point to in
Speaker 1: the NFL, including Malie Collins. Right, he is up there
Speaker 1: as one of the premier guys, so productively, I hear
Speaker 1: your point, but I think it's a little bit to
Speaker 1: that to looking at his statistics right now, that maybe
Speaker 1: a little MISSI I agree, because he's having to work
Speaker 1: in Yeah, yeah, I definitely agree. The one thing, it's like,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet, so I'm I'm good as
Speaker 1: of right now until I see it. And I don't
Speaker 1: think it'll be a problem if I mean, it'll be
Speaker 1: something that they'll face and they'll have a little bit
Speaker 1: of struggle there, but nothing that will make them lose
Speaker 1: the game. I actually I agree, and I mean I
Speaker 1: came in here and I still believe this, But I
Speaker 1: came in here and said, you know, these aren't your
Speaker 1: older brothers, Rams. They're way more talented than that. This
Speaker 1: isn't a team you can write off. I still think
Speaker 1: that's true. But for the talent they have here, the
Speaker 1: production doesn't doesn't do it justice. And maybe you know
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald's two weeks in system and one of the
Speaker 1: more complicated systems in football. If if players are to
Speaker 1: be believed about Wade Field's defense, so maybe that's part
Speaker 1: of it. The forty nine ers big boyed them twice.
Speaker 1: They went forward on fourth and goal from the one
Speaker 1: twice and scored on scored touchdowns on both plays. Both
Speaker 1: just runs to Carlos hide where they knock them over
Speaker 1: and score a touchdown. It's a good sign for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: So and like I said, I mean, the secondary did
Speaker 1: not impress me in this game. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: talent here. I did think it was interesting. So this game,
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers scored to make it forty one thirty nine.
Speaker 1: They don't get the two point conversion, they recover the
Speaker 1: on side kick and then they so they go into
Speaker 1: a possession where they're near midfield with a chance to
Speaker 1: go down and win the game. Aaron Donald just destroys
Speaker 1: his man, forces an incompletion right away, they send five,
Speaker 1: and the Niners run a screen that they sniff out
Speaker 1: immediately zone coverage on third and long. And then the
Speaker 1: last play of the game, which is like a fourth
Speaker 1: and eighteen after a questionable offensive pass interference call, but
Speaker 1: still Aaron Donald blows his man up and sacks Brian
Speaker 1: Hoyer in the game. So when the chips are down,
Speaker 1: especially if you're in a situation where you have to
Speaker 1: throw the ball, that could be bad news, as it
Speaker 1: is with most really good defensive climate right. But I
Speaker 1: do think there's plenty here that the Cowboys should be
Speaker 1: able to take advantage of. And you talk about Zekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott being great at cutting back and moving in open space,
Speaker 1: I think their aggressiveness should play right into him. Like,
Speaker 1: I think there are plays to be made against these guys.
Speaker 1: This sounds like a lot like the game last year
Speaker 1: against the Bengals a week about the same time of
Speaker 1: the year, Week four, Week five, they walk. They came in.
Speaker 1: The Bengals were I think at the time, like the
Speaker 1: best defensive line in football, yeah, and that they weren't
Speaker 1: allowing anything. And I think the Cowboys oh line took
Speaker 1: it as a big challenge and they won obviously. And
Speaker 1: you know, Zeke's running sixty yards right through the middle
Speaker 1: of the defense, and so I just think this is
Speaker 1: this is one of those type of games where I'll
Speaker 1: be it'll be big on big, It'll be some really
Speaker 1: good talented players that the Rams have drafted to change
Speaker 1: their defensive line. The Cowboys drafted some really good offensive
Speaker 1: linemen to try to change with their line, and then
Speaker 1: this is kind of what you'll get. It'll be it'll
Speaker 1: be one on right there, mano Imano. Yeah, strength, I
Speaker 1: don't know who. I don't know who. They were dominating,
Speaker 1: that's what's you said. That Like, in a one minute
Speaker 1: span on the fourth and one when they really needed
Speaker 1: to stop their offensive line, that from the Niners dominated them.
Speaker 1: But a fourth and seventeen eighteen they couldn't. They got
Speaker 1: dominated on the other end. So it sounds like speed
Speaker 1: and quickness, it's their strength. They can kind of get
Speaker 1: there when it's big on big and pushing people off
Speaker 1: the ball. That hasn't really been the Cowboys strength though,
Speaker 1: knocking people back. So I would say this last year
Speaker 1: when they were in you know, short yard of situations,
Speaker 1: they were pretty good at it, So I guess that
Speaker 1: kind of fits right Leary. Huh with Leary? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're saying without Leary, it's a whole different thing. That's
Speaker 1: nixt guy. Yeah right. I would hate to think that
Speaker 1: the left guard can make that much of a difference. Sorry, Nate,
Speaker 1: but I just think that something there's something here. He
Speaker 1: really wasn't the guy in twenty fifteen. He was the
Speaker 1: guy in twenty sixteen, and then now he's not in
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, and we just they haven't been as good
Speaker 1: short yardage. Well, we have enough of a sample now
Speaker 1: we don't know that, not yet, but we're getting there.
Speaker 1: I mean two and a half years. I almost no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm saying this season with with you got Chazz, and
Speaker 1: now I don't know that we've had enough of a
Speaker 1: samplifize in short yardists to say that they can't do
Speaker 1: it well this year. Were you not arguing a training
Speaker 1: camp that one guy wouldn't make a difference in this
Speaker 1: offensive line? That would have been me. I was arguing me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you were. I think it was me. I know it
Speaker 1: was me. I know, I said the Ron Leary fan club,
Speaker 1: So it was I definitely was on that that it's
Speaker 1: not because to me, I look at it and I say,
Speaker 1: if you got that talented, if those other guys play
Speaker 1: up to the level that we expect them to, then
Speaker 1: a left guard should not be able to platoon this thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just don't think that's And I somewhat agree with
Speaker 1: that as well. I mean, I do agree that one
Speaker 1: position on the line's not going to change a whole lot.
Speaker 1: But when it gets down to third and short, fourth
Speaker 1: and short and you really need to knock people off
Speaker 1: the ball, I'm behind him. I think, run behind him.
Speaker 1: They've done okay, But I do think we clearly have
Speaker 1: seen a change compared to what they We don't have
Speaker 1: enough aside. It's been three games, really really good. Okay,
Speaker 1: from what we've seen, we have seen a change that
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think. Schedule, huh, is there
Speaker 1: any bad defenses on the schedule? I mean, Giants, Broncos, Arizona,
Speaker 1: they didn't have a great defense. Yeah they're kind of man,
Speaker 1: we'll see you next week then. Yeah. It seems like
Speaker 1: every team's got this great defense up front. Atlanta's not
Speaker 1: a great defense or whatever. It's undert we're in that
Speaker 1: score a ton of points. That doesn't really matter, right.
Speaker 1: Dak said yesterday that he thought these first three defenses
Speaker 1: were about as hard as it's gonna get, which I
Speaker 1: don't know him. I will say this, though, Battle hasn't
Speaker 1: played as well as they've played in the past, Like
Speaker 1: they've had some games this year where their defense has
Speaker 1: given up a lot more points than your typically. I'm
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Speaker 1: from Twitter Amber. Has Jordan Lewis jumped Nolan Carroll on
Speaker 1: the depth chart because of his recent play? We know
Speaker 1: Carol is right now, it's looking like we're gonna know question.
Speaker 1: Would you start him right now? If both are healthy?
Speaker 1: Would you start Jordan Lewis over Nolan Carroll? It is
Speaker 1: all sample size, but I think so. I think so too.
Speaker 1: But now we're getting into what the cowboys would do,
Speaker 1: right I don't care what the cowboys are doing. I'm
Speaker 1: asking what you would do, But don't you want to
Speaker 1: know what's more likely to happen? Yeah, kind of, but
Speaker 1: they just don't. They just don't do that because there's
Speaker 1: no need for it. There's Jordan Lewis, is this young
Speaker 1: guy that that's had some injury concerns too, and you
Speaker 1: know he's just just stay hungry, you know. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is the way it works. And Nolan Carroll comes back
Speaker 1: in and he got hurt and because he you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a long leash, but I think
Speaker 1: no one Carroll would come back to his spot if
Speaker 1: he had another game, Like the part of the game
Speaker 1: before he got injured in Denver. Do you think at
Speaker 1: that point the Cowboys, I'm just gonna talking about them,
Speaker 1: you think they would make that move at that point,
Speaker 1: They've got to make some roster moves here and and
Speaker 1: that just took the show with a whole different direction.
Speaker 1: We don't we don't even go there. We don't need
Speaker 1: It's really easy, huh, that really is actually just do it.
Speaker 1: But again again, okay what you would do versus what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, right, But what I'm saying is is that
Speaker 1: I don't think Nolan Carroll would be completely safe from
Speaker 1: that in my opinion, really like as in they would
Speaker 1: just outright cut him. I mean, Cheeto to be healthy,
Speaker 1: I need strides from Mark Marquez White on the practice squad,
Speaker 1: just just not necessarily to bring him up. But if
Speaker 1: you need it, about it maybe, But does it have
Speaker 1: anything to do with how well benabin Wickery can play?
Speaker 1: Does this play? I mean, but I'm saying, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: if you're thought, if you're talking about the possibiliar Carroll
Speaker 1: going away, that you kind of want that vet that's
Speaker 1: gonna be here with Orlando to be I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're gonna cut ben A before you cut Carol, I
Speaker 1: don't and I mean I see the logic, but I
Speaker 1: just don't think they would cut no Carol, not in season.
Speaker 1: He's a veteran. May if if Jordan Lewis had played
Speaker 1: all of training camp and had just whooped him and
Speaker 1: totally claimed that job. Maybe, But you're in season now,
Speaker 1: where anything can happen week to week. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: already dealing with injuries, and the thought of cutting one
Speaker 1: of two guys that has really been through the grind
Speaker 1: of an NFL season over and over again, a veteran guy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. That's
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's not you know, he's got like
Speaker 1: three million and guarantees or something like that. It's not
Speaker 1: even like this is some big obnoxious contract that you
Speaker 1: you know, that you have to get off the books.
Speaker 1: I don't think that makes a ton of sense now
Speaker 1: that you're playing week to week. But you know, and
Speaker 1: I agree with Nick, the Cowboys are always more likely
Speaker 1: to lean toward the veteran in a situation like this,
Speaker 1: in my opinion. But if he gets back in the
Speaker 1: lineup and looks as bad as he did in Denver.
Speaker 1: I mean, once it's hindering your ability to play a
Speaker 1: good defense, they'll that's not a long leash at all.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get a phone call from Jorge in
Speaker 1: Mexico City or Hey, what up guys? Hey, Well, first
Speaker 1: of all, want to say Amber, we gave a great
Speaker 1: Latino touch the Verter. We just make it even better.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Now to get to football, I have a
Speaker 1: comment in the question. The comment is you carting the
Speaker 1: play calling with Scott Linehan. I know Dak's a really,
Speaker 1: really good quarterback. I know it's gonna be great some day,
Speaker 1: but I just feel you still learning, still developing, And
Speaker 1: I feel like the play calling they're taking is like
Speaker 1: they want to make some a pure, pure pocket catch,
Speaker 1: which I think it's not radiot. I mean, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be rady today, but it's things that should get back
Speaker 1: to what they did Latin in the first team, with
Speaker 1: the boots, the waggles, you can seat. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a mobile quarterbacks and uh, I feel like the decent
Speaker 1: sets are are challenging us to to make some pocket tatters.
Speaker 1: But I mean they're they're they're getting the best of us.
Speaker 1: And my question is and then you guys get to
Speaker 1: the ton, But uh, are we still sure that we
Speaker 1: like called layout Collins were right tackles? Can we just
Speaker 1: go back to what we did in twenty fifteen? Guard
Speaker 1: over to the cycle decisions? All right, thanks for the call.
Speaker 1: First of all, let's still go back to anything from
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. Let's let's don't do anything about twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: to go back to UM you know with their four
Speaker 1: win season. They're already halfway there with two wins, So
Speaker 1: I that sounded good. But then who's your right tackle? Well,
Speaker 1: he's saying, kick Chaz back out. But here's deal, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. Guys, that's not gonna happen this season
Speaker 1: that we're gonna happen. That's an offseason thing. They are
Speaker 1: unless there's injuries. They are set that Lyle Collins is
Speaker 1: going to be their right tackle and Chaz Green is
Speaker 1: going to be their left guard. The way that you
Speaker 1: say that, though, is kind of like, well, they're not
Speaker 1: gonna cut Kellen Moore. Like you, you think it should happen,
Speaker 1: but it won't, and I disagree because you made this decision.
Speaker 1: We answered this in the mailback this morning. Actually, like
Speaker 1: you made this decision. We all said heading into the
Speaker 1: season that Lyle would probably have his growing pains and
Speaker 1: not be an all pro from the get right. That
Speaker 1: has played out fletely to form. He hasn't been terrible,
Speaker 1: he hasn't been great. He's had his struggles, he's had
Speaker 1: his wins again. But again, when you're you're into the
Speaker 1: season now, where you're playing a game every sixth day,
Speaker 1: why are you trying to shuffle this thing. You're only
Speaker 1: going to get better by giving these guys reps where
Speaker 1: they are. That's the only way this is gonna work.
Speaker 1: And it hasn't been as good as last year. And
Speaker 1: I think that troubles people because it's a lot of
Speaker 1: fun when you're dominating the way that they did last year.
Speaker 1: But they haven't been bad by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 1: They just they've been okay. And just to be clear,
Speaker 1: I wasn't saying they should but they won't. I was okay,
Speaker 1: I was saying they should not and they won't. You're wording,
Speaker 1: I believe you're wording made it sound like you were
Speaker 1: saying they should, but they won't. No, no, And I
Speaker 1: guess the reason why I was kind of coming off
Speaker 1: like that is because I was trying to express to
Speaker 1: him that this is kind of a moot point. For
Speaker 1: those people that are out there that believe like him,
Speaker 1: it's a moot point. They're not going to do that.
Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense and how NFL teams are run.
Speaker 1: But if you think about it logically, that's not the
Speaker 1: smart call at this point. I mean, if you get
Speaker 1: through the whole season and then you decide that this
Speaker 1: really probably isn't going to work long term, come talk
Speaker 1: to me. But I think this thing is playing out
Speaker 1: exactly how you probably thought it should or you should
Speaker 1: have thought it, yeah, which is that these two guys
Speaker 1: are having their growing pains, but they're getting the job
Speaker 1: done more often than not, and they'll get better with
Speaker 1: playing time. I don't think shuffling the lineup and hoping
Speaker 1: that it's magically better is the right way to do it.
Speaker 1: The first part of that, I think that it was
Speaker 1: a good that's a good observation about Dak and what
Speaker 1: they're doing with him in the pocket. And yes, they
Speaker 1: are trying to do that, and it's not just to
Speaker 1: try to develop him from that standpoint to be a
Speaker 1: good pocket passer. It's because that will help the offense
Speaker 1: if he can stand in there and make some throws.
Speaker 1: And I think he's shown that he can do that.
Speaker 1: But in that game against the Cardinals, it was clear
Speaker 1: that they had to move him. He needed to move
Speaker 1: to make plays. He needed to run. All of the
Speaker 1: touchdowns or three other than the one with Dak, I
Speaker 1: mean with Zeke, but the three touchdowns were a product
Speaker 1: of his legs. He was rolling right throwing or running
Speaker 1: and flipping into the end zone. I think that they
Speaker 1: kind of realized that in that game, and I think
Speaker 1: you'll see a little bit more of that. Something else
Speaker 1: I would throw in. And this isn't me trying to
Speaker 1: be amateur scout. This is from conversations I've had here
Speaker 1: with people. It's harder to do that type of stuff
Speaker 1: when you're playing three or four teams. You're talking about
Speaker 1: outside linebackers that play like why to the title, they
Speaker 1: played disciplined, and they're gonna be there every time. You're
Speaker 1: gonna be right in your quarterback's face when he's trying
Speaker 1: to do that stuff. And you've seen it play out
Speaker 1: so far this season, even and it's worked a couple
Speaker 1: of times. But when Dak has done those actions. He's
Speaker 1: had guys in his face from the get Yeah, some
Speaker 1: of that it happened against Arizona too. Like I said,
Speaker 1: sometimes the players still worked, but it's not like it
Speaker 1: was really faking anybody out. So I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I think you'll still see it, and I think it'll
Speaker 1: work better when they play some more traditional style defenses. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think that that run that he had, that
Speaker 1: the touchdown run, to me, that's more kind of what
Speaker 1: you want to do if you're gonna use him with
Speaker 1: his legs. Is it's it's not always going to work
Speaker 1: on the boots, like you said, when you got a
Speaker 1: team that either it's really fast or they're keeping somebody
Speaker 1: in to kind of spy him. I think in those
Speaker 1: kind of situations, you gotta get from point A to
Speaker 1: point being the fastest way you can, which is a
Speaker 1: straight line, and so you fake the run and then
Speaker 1: you just let him take off, take off into a
Speaker 1: hole that he sees, rather than having to boot out
Speaker 1: to the outside where the defender can then float out
Speaker 1: there with him. So I think they just got to
Speaker 1: mix it up and give a good mixture. And I
Speaker 1: think if they do that and use his legs not
Speaker 1: all the time, but use his legs in good situations.
Speaker 1: And I think there's a way to make this, make
Speaker 1: this thing better and make him more effective as a quarterback.
Speaker 1: What helps the Cowboys probably promability to She was just
Speaker 1: throwing her. Is that the question that you're asking throwing
Speaker 1: the collar? I said something I understand Amber, Like I
Speaker 1: don't speak Spanish, but I know what she's the Amber whisperer.
Speaker 1: It's just because I do those videos with her after
Speaker 1: the games. I will say this when I'm editing those
Speaker 1: videos and I'm postgame with Dave, I'll be speaking Spanish
Speaker 1: and he's like, he'll make facial expression. Is that it's
Speaker 1: all context clues, Like you can you pick out a
Speaker 1: word or like, you know, like the word Mexico is
Speaker 1: the same in Spanish and English, Like you pick that out?
Speaker 1: Shut up? Context clues. You can figure out a sentence
Speaker 1: in another language if you can understand like three words. Anyways,
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. And see miss Brian brought us that
Speaker 1: I can work. Well, are you saying that I'm not
Speaker 1: good when I'm done that? Oh? Like, like I don't
Speaker 1: have the experience of listening to that. It's a great point. Apparently,
Speaker 1: not because you have no clue what I say. Anyway,
Speaker 1: if you put me on camera, I'd be able to
Speaker 1: do it. Don't ask me to do videos with you,
Speaker 1: so you're too busy like figuring out how do they
Speaker 1: making sure I'm good at it? Though? Right? No? No, okay, guy?
Speaker 1: So what helps the Cowboys probability to win? Converting third
Speaker 1: downs to keep the chains moving or red zone efficiency?
Speaker 1: They've been pretty bad at converting third downs, haven't they.
Speaker 1: I don't know about for the season. Yes, Denver game
Speaker 1: they were horrible. Now we're focusing in this coming yet,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying just as a train third and long.
Speaker 1: They were two and nine. What's what's third and long
Speaker 1: in the NFL? Like a third and lungs at ten?
Speaker 1: I thought third and seven or eight six or more? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what? They're converting on third and long like
Speaker 1: the percentage wise six percent awful, six percent last than
Speaker 1: the league two for nine on third down against Arizona
Speaker 1: two for nine and that was their best game of
Speaker 1: the seat. Well, I don't guess. That just means on
Speaker 1: first down they're not really running the ball very well.
Speaker 1: First down, second down, they're getting behind the change, does it? Yes,
Speaker 1: because well, but because if they get in third one,
Speaker 1: third and two, it's more manageable. They can get these
Speaker 1: but they're not. They're not getting to third and one
Speaker 1: and third and two that's the times they get to
Speaker 1: third down. If they're converting second downs more frequently, then
Speaker 1: I'm saying they're not running the ball well to start
Speaker 1: it off, they're they're getting themselves behind the chains early
Speaker 1: in the in the down and distance, and then it's
Speaker 1: the next thing you know, it's third and ten, third
Speaker 1: and eleven. It's not working. I completely agree. So, but
Speaker 1: to answer the question, um, it's it's more important to
Speaker 1: move the chains on third down. It's more important than
Speaker 1: it is in red zone. I think because you can
Speaker 1: always kick a field goal and you're going to make it.
Speaker 1: Let's so, if you don't get it on third and
Speaker 1: four from midfield, then you have to punt. If you
Speaker 1: don't get it on with the nineteen yard line, you
Speaker 1: kick a field goal. I think that's eric you don't
Speaker 1: never get to the nineteen. No, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think that that one necessarily necessitates the other. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that, yes, they both are problems for them right now.
Speaker 1: First down is a problem for them right now. Third
Speaker 1: down is a problem for them right now. I don't
Speaker 1: know that first down necessarily equates to always to third
Speaker 1: down success. So I don't know if I agree with
Speaker 1: that part of it, but I get your gist, and
Speaker 1: that's why I didn't really argue to because first to
Speaker 1: get you just a first and tend to start the
Speaker 1: game Zeke for negative one second and eleven, Zeke for one,
Speaker 1: so you're in third and ten. Next possession, Zeke up
Speaker 1: the middle for negative three. Second and thirteen pass incomplete,
Speaker 1: so you're in third and thirteen. Next drive, first and
Speaker 1: ten offsides brings you to first and five. Zeke runs
Speaker 1: on first and five for no gain incomplete. They converted
Speaker 1: that probably because it was second and five, first and
Speaker 1: ten complete, the terrence for eight, Zeke up the middle
Speaker 1: for one, and then that third and one Zeke busts
Speaker 1: a thirty yard game. They haven't been great on first down,
Speaker 1: and I agree with that. That's why I just said.
Speaker 1: I just said there's they have a problem on first down,
Speaker 1: they also have a problem on third down. One doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily cause the others. What I'm saying, there's not a
Speaker 1: causal relationship between the two. If they don't get at
Speaker 1: least like three yards on first down. I'm calling that
Speaker 1: a wash. Like I'm just I'm assuming something bad's going
Speaker 1: to happen based on what we've seen. So how does
Speaker 1: first down not affect third down? Like there? No, No,
Speaker 1: that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is there
Speaker 1: there are times when they get the third down that
Speaker 1: it's not about first down. And there are also times
Speaker 1: when they convert on second down. So even if they
Speaker 1: didn't do much on first down, they convert on second down,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't matter, So you never factor that into
Speaker 1: the third down conversion rate. Yeah, I'm saying. Well, so
Speaker 1: all I'm saying is yes, they I think we're all
Speaker 1: agreeing from the standpoint. They got a problem on first down,
Speaker 1: they got a problem on third down, and they got
Speaker 1: to fix both of them because I think they're both
Speaker 1: an issue for them right now. Okay, what are the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: What is the chances that the Cowboys used Seek the
Speaker 1: way Minnesota is using Cook. I haven't really watched them
Speaker 1: play much other than Monday nine. I assume that means
Speaker 1: more as a receiver, I mean, because it seems like
Speaker 1: Cook is I mean, I know Dalvin Cook is off
Speaker 1: to a good start, which you've said you kind of
Speaker 1: wanted to see the Cowboys. Yeah. I mean Zeke has
Speaker 1: gotten three or four receptions, I think, or three or
Speaker 1: four chances at a reception in every game that they've
Speaker 1: played so far. But I still don't think it's enough.
Speaker 1: Like I don't. I don't think it's creative enough. You
Speaker 1: know what I was encouraged by though this week that
Speaker 1: twice they ran the you know we were talking to
Speaker 1: last week. I mentioned that angle, Yeah, where they kind
Speaker 1: of run, they flare him out and then he cuts
Speaker 1: back into the middle, And they did it twice last week.
Speaker 1: And I'm really thinking if they just start doing things
Speaker 1: like that a little more, find routes that he can
Speaker 1: get open on, find routes where you isolate him in
Speaker 1: man coverage against a linebacker, he should win that matchup.
Speaker 1: And that's what you're talking about from a standpoint of creativity.
Speaker 1: If they can find those kinds of things and not
Speaker 1: just always whenever he gets a pass it's just the flair.
Speaker 1: We're only going to get two or three yards at
Speaker 1: the best. Then I think that's where you're going to
Speaker 1: see more production out of the running game for ridicularly,
Speaker 1: I would like to and I know that they did
Speaker 1: try to get him the ball on a couple of those,
Speaker 1: but I would still like to see him used more
Speaker 1: creatively as a receiver. I agree it just when he
Speaker 1: goes out, it seems like it's always as a decoy
Speaker 1: and they try to screen with him and it didn't
Speaker 1: work out. But more often than not, it just seems
Speaker 1: like it's a dump off that isn't really designed to
Speaker 1: get more than three or four yards. It seems like
Speaker 1: a screen ought to be able to work, like they
Speaker 1: ought to be able to be really good this team.
Speaker 1: You can screen them if they're that aggressive. Yes, I
Speaker 1: man misdirection delayed any anything out of the ordinary delays
Speaker 1: misdirection play action leaf licker. It should work against these guys.
Speaker 1: These guys only care about My team tried that in
Speaker 1: the game the other day, and were you just jumping
Speaker 1: up and down. You didn't care about the result. You
Speaker 1: were just like they did. Well, here's here's a part
Speaker 1: of it. You better get it blocked, okay, if you
Speaker 1: can't block, and then you're only wasted more time. So
Speaker 1: Larkansas tried it against A and M. They didn't work
Speaker 1: because they can't block. So that so did you get
Speaker 1: the ball knocked around? Quarterback caught it and then he
Speaker 1: had to duck and go underneath and throw it over
Speaker 1: the middle. Nothing happened. Now get it blocked first. A
Speaker 1: fleeflicker that doesn't work is like such a It's so
Speaker 1: disappointing because like you see the quarterback get the ball,
Speaker 1: you know, oh, oh my god, fleeflicker and then it's
Speaker 1: just you he gets backed or it doesn't go anywhere,
Speaker 1: and then you're like, the way it works, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: I won't see that for a while. Try that. Not
Speaker 1: gonna do that again this season. All right, we appreciate
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