WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: How Good Is LA's Defense? 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:06.720 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:09.920 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:13.640 a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:17.960 Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:23.360 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:29.640 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:33.640 It is Thursday, September twenty eight to twenty seventeen, Season thirteen, 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:36.960 episode number forty six. Welcome to a new edition of 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:40.000 The Break. I'm Derek Eagleton. We're joined by our normal 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:43.400 cast here. We're in the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:53.000 How's everybody feeling this morning? Hello, Derek, good, I feel good? Good. Amber. No, 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:55.720 I don't know why you say no. I'm not going 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:57.520 to ever stop that. You know that we've been doing 0:00:57.520 --> 0:00:59.600 this for a long time. Every once in a while, 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:02.600 I'm gonna say, Nick, everyone is once a year. That's 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:04.360 not true. I called you Nikki the other day and 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:06.360 you actually were okay with you, Like, Hey, what's up? 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:12.800 So Nikki eats Nikki? It's really Nick e right, Yeah, 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:19.160 it's true, Nick, It's accurate. Okay, I'm doing swell. Thank 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:22.160 you very good. One's fine. All right, let's jump in. 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:25.040 Let's talk football. How are you doing? You know, that's 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:26.959 the first time anybody's ever done it? Right, We don't 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.160 spend it back to you. Thank you. I'm feeling fine. 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:34.520 I don't care for whatever that's worth. I really did. Yeah. Right, 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.399 that's that's new and novel and different. All right, let's talk. 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.560 Let's talk about the Cowboys. Let's get first into a 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:44.160 little bit news on DeMarcus Lawrence. Yesterday we heard found 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:46.200 out that he was a named Defensive Player of the 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:50.960 Week after his really good game last week versus the Cardinals. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:54.920 And then today we find out nick Defensive Player of 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:56.880 the Month, Defensive Player of the month. They just keep 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.000 rolling in these awards. Don't you just see you're one 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:03.040 step away from Defensive Player of the year, are you? 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:05.400 I think he's a few steps away from defensive player 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:09.600 of the year. I mean weeks, months, year. Okay? You 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:11.840 are you? Is that what you're thinking is going to happen? Like? 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:16.320 Is that your hot take of the day. I mean 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:18.880 he's on paced, you know, for thirty five sacks in 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.560 the year, so the record is only twenty three twenty six. 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:25.160 So yeah, twenty six. Yeah, he's on face for that. No, 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.000 I don't. I don't know if he'll be a Defensive 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:30.440 Player of the Year, but we'll see. It's one of 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:35.160 those situations where like you're like, oh, he won Defensive 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.000 Player of the Week in the month, but like you 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.480 had the graphic made up for it yesterday because it's 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.880 that obvious. It's like, oh, what an honor. Of course 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.600 I am, but yeah, in other words, it wasn't made preseason, 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:47.560 Like this wasn't a graphic that was made preseason. Is 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.520 that what you're getting. No, I'm saying he's been so 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.320 damn good that we I mean, you know, Taylor and 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:54.880 Shannon hopefully had those graphics done way ahead of time, 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.760 because that mean it's obvious three sacks in a game 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.760 and three tackles for lost six point five sacks on 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.239 the season really should be seven. But whatever, either way, 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.320 it's not shocking to hear, is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.519 good for him, really good for him, and hopefully he 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:10.520 can keep it up because the Cowboys really needed I 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:12.720 thought it was interesting yesterday when you guys made the 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.760 point that it's hard to find a unit on this 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.440 team that's better than the defensive line. And I think 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:21.000 obviously most of that, it's not hard. Good part is 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.120 about him. It's not hard to find it. You can't. 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:27.040 You can't objectively, with any basis of facts, say that 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:28.760 a unit on this team has been better than the 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.119 defensive line. It's a good point. Yeah there, I mean, 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.280 they've been phenomenal. Well, I will say this, and as 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:36.440 I did think about it a little bit last night, 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:41.400 I still think you probably a part of them being 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:44.800 run on in Denver was about that defensive line as well. So, 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:48.160 as you said after the Denver game, you can't just 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.200 pooh pooh that and just act like that didn't happen. 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.960 That's a significant thing. But everybody else sucked in that 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:57.920 game too, So relatively speaking, yeah, yeah, they had a 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:02.080 bad just because everyone was so bad. They've been way 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.360 better when they've been good, and just as bad when 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:09.119 they've been bad. Yeah, so they're better. All right, let's 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.800 get into some injury talk. Cowboys had I thought a 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.400 pretty positive injury report. Now, of course, yesterday was just 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:19.480 a walk through, glorified walkthrough, But Dave catch us up 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.040 on the injuries and who didn't practice and who did 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:25.919 practice on a limited basis it is a walkthrough, So 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.679 I can't stress enough how I mean, if you've seen 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.480 the video of the morning walkthroughs an ox Nard, that's 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.719 what it looked like. Like guys are wearing backward hats. 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:38.200 Guys are kind of like half jogging in position. Can't 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:40.960 stress enough? How not like a real practice this was. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:45.599 But the most encouraging thing of this entire situation is 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.440 that Jordan Lewis isn't even on the injury report, which 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:52.160 means he's fine or that's what it should mean. Yeah, 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:53.880 So that's what I've got my eye on. If he's 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.080 not even on the injury report on Wednesday, then I 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:59.279 fully expect him to play on Sunday, which is huge. 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:04.840 It's gigantic. Chittabey Woozier was limited, as was Nolan Carroll. Right, 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:09.520 feel better about Carroll since, I mean, I know that 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.520 your brain is super duper important, but it's not a 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:16.479 you know, a physical ailment that can hinder you from 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.279 moving around on a practice fields. And wouldn't you think 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:25.039 with concussions, you're if you're even in a walkthrough, you 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.760 don't want him doing anything if they still are showing signs, 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.200 if you've been cleared to go out and do football 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.640 things on a field. I assume that that's a very 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:36.080 positive sign for your moving in the right direction. Whereas cheeto. 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.400 Hamstrings are tricky, it's hard to really say, yeah, um, 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:44.800 Sean Lee was a DNP, which is you know, take 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:46.880 that for what it's worth. He said yesterday that he 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.800 feels optimistic that this isn't as bad as some other 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:54.000 hamstring injuries that he's had, but you and that goes 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.320 back to the conversation we had about Odell Beckham that 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:58.360 he's one of those guys that if he can find 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:00.359 a way, he's going to find a way and probably 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:04.719 shouldn't bet against him. But guy with an injury history 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.720 like Sean Lee on short week's rest because of Monday 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:12.320 Night football, I me, personally, I'm leaning towards just like, 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.120 let's try to get through a game without him and 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:17.120 not risk him, you know, risk losing him for further 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.640 weeks just because of one game. It's a tough game 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:21.479 to do it with that running back you're facing, but 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.800 sure is. But it's just it's just a thought that 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.320 I had when I saw that yesterday, I'm like, yeah, 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.600 I don't know, I'd rather I'd rather not rush him 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:31.960 and have him healthy than try to wind up in 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.240 a situation where he's out for even more time. What 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:39.320 did they list Hitchens that he was limited? Hitchens's hitchensitive. 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:43.799 Hitchens ran scout team yesterday. That's positive, right, Oh yeah 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:49.880 again walk through. But he was out there doing football things. 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.880 He was part of an eleven on eleven situation, which 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:56.880 is news. So I like, after the buy for him, 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:00.799 I leaned toward that. Yeah, but I mean that's only 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.479 two games away. That's not far and that's kind of 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:07.400 what the original thought was, that you kind of get 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:10.600 through the buy and then after that he should be back, right, Yeah, 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:14.640 I hope. So a linebacker situation looks we'll start looking 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.560 pretty good if if you can you know, if if 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:20.720 considering nothing would happen, I guess with Damien Wilson, I 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:24.840 can't imagine the NFL doing anything with that at this point. 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:28.120 But you know, with with you got Hitchings coming back, 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.680 Sean Lee and then obviously Jayalen Smith, just any kind 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:33.720 of rotation there, and they're starting to work Duran in 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.840 there a little bit more too. So a couple of 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:41.120 weeks ago, it looks really troublesome, but now it's getting better. 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.080 If they can get through this game with Sean Lee 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.200 or without him, or depending what happens. He's told a 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:49.760 few reporters in the locker room, he said, hamstrings, it's 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.120 one of those things. It's like neither it fires up 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:54.800 or it doesn't. I mean, it's not like it's you 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:56.560 can kind of limp around on it. I mean, if 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:58.960 it doesn't go for you, then you can't do anything. 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.679 But he did, like Dave said, he said, I've had 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.680 worse ones than this. Yeah, And so I guess all 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:06.200 in all, when you look at the injury report, I 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.240 think there were a lot of positive things that the 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:11.480 Cowboys can at least be hopeful about moving forward. I 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:16.240 forgot to mention Stephen Pia sat out also. That's I 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.200 feel like that's just gonna be a thing that doesn't 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:21.600 completely go away for him. I've kind of put this 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:25.480 in the category of romo of you know Tyron Smith 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:27.760 last year, right. I just put this in the category 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:29.680 of it's one of those things where I just expect 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:31.720 to see Stephen pie on the injury list most of 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.880 the season, and if you don't, then then maybe that 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.520 means it that week he just feels great, but more 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:39.920 than likely just to manage him. It sounds like that's 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:44.240 going to be a normal thing, unless they and me speculating. 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:46.400 I don't know anything, but I guess they could sit 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:50.400 him down and do a Nyard thing, may designate him 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:53.040 to return if they wanted to, But as long as 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.280 he can keep managing it and playing every week, I 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:56.880 feel like they wouldn't want to do that. I guess. 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:58.840 Doesn't sound like this is something that's gonna go away. 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:00.800 It sounds like it's just thing. It's there, So I 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.240 don't know if I are necessary. If you signed him, 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.520 you kind of it. It's like a lot of football injuries, 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.320 like it would probably go away if you sat him 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:10.480 down for a couple of months to get it better. 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.520 But if he can, it's like, but wasn't this something 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.440 that he was struggling with in the past already? Right, 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:18.680 he had struggled with it in the past. But again, 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.800 it's kind of like it's like DeMarcus Lawrence's backs, Like 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.520 it's there and you could have surgery on it, or 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:26.560 you could do something with it to help it get better. 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.160 But if you can play, you're probably gonna play. I mean, 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.480 that's football really same thing. You know, you could sit 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.079 Tyrn Smith down for a few weeks in his back 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.640 would probably feel a lot better thinking back to last year. Yeah, 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:38.839 I I guess the point of what I'm saying, and 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.120 it sounds like what Amber's saying too, is that if 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.680 it's something that's a recurring thing that's been happening over time, 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.199 even if you sit him down, you'll get temporary relief, 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:48.720 but as soon as you start playing again, it's probably 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.480 gonna start nagging again. So just kind of manage it. 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.040 And it sounds like they're just gonna manage it by 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:57.520 giving him more rest and hopefully by Sundays every week 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:59.040 he's ready to go. Yeah, I guess I just go 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:01.839 back to thinking before he got here, he had a 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:05.160 whole offseason and it is still something that he's struggling with, 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.640 so and it might be a situation. We talked about 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:12.720 them needing roster spots for players, obviously for David Irving 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:14.839 next week. That's where I was trying to go with that. 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:19.400 But Brian Price, oh, I was thinking you could move 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.920 Pie down if you if his injuries that bad to 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:23.840 make that spot. Well, I don't think that they would. 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:25.520 I don't think they would. But what I'm saying is 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:29.880 is that cutting price, you know, just because you need 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:33.839 the spot. It's harder to get through a practice if 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.160 if Pie is not going to work with you every Wednesday. 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:37.679 So I mean, I mean, guys, I got on a 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:42.959 practice squad to play defensive tackle one Lewis Neil. I 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:45.760 don't think anyone would know that if they didn't go 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:49.640 to the College of choice. That is offensive and not 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:55.120 the practice. Lewis Neil kicked too much ascid training camp. 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:57.000 I know people to not know who he was, but 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:59.720 but you have to admit you know every single LSU 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:04.199 play in the NFL. Honestly, I probably don't. There's so 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.880 many of them. Not yes, oh wow, there's so many 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:11.720 of them. They led the league. You probably know, right, Yes, Okay, 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.800 I'm a bit of a passionate LSU fan. I would 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:16.920 tell it a homer. But whatever it was like that 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:20.640 number might slow down a little bit. Maybe we'll see, um, 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:24.840 things aren't going well up there. Whatever. I'm just asking 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.920 Arkansas and Texas well, I'm asking I've never claimed that 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.640 things are going great in Austin. I'm just asking. You know, 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:34.599 the jury's out right, Okay, Um, I think I could know. 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:36.959 I know, I can't name the whole practice squad because 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.560 I haven't learned the name of the linebacker they just signed, 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:46.160 Aravon Williams him, I don't think, and um, there's an 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:49.120 offensive there's an offensive lineman they signed recently who I 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.160 never bothered to learn his name either. But I think 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:56.280 I got the other eight showers. Yeah, Jamil's back, Brian Brown, 0:11:56.480 --> 0:12:01.800 Lewis Neil. Um, I don't know the guys from camp. Well, 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:03.760 that's usually what you're practice seah, That's what I'm saying, Like, 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:05.360 those are guys you know, because you kind of saw 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.199 him play those other guys. It's kind of like hard 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:13.280 to really Yeah, you're like, okay, i'la all right, let's 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:15.720 move on. Let's talk a little bit about the Cowboys 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.199 offense versus the Rams defense. And Dave, I know you 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:20.199 were gonna watch the game last night or watch some 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:22.319 footage of this team last night and give us a 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:25.040 scouting reports. So what do you have? I did. I 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:28.079 did watch the Rams defense on tape last night, and 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:32.400 my main impression really is I'm sick of here in 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:36.079 the phrase three four defense, because I mean that's what 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.000 it is at the end of the day, but like, 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.080 that's not what it looks like when these guys play. 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:44.680 Like I watched the whole San Francisco game, so that's 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.200 I don't know, And it's forty one thirty nine games, 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:51.160 so you're talking about seventy something defensive snaps. They got 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:53.720 four or five and six guys down on the line 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:58.439 like every snap. I mean, yeah, Aaron Donald Mike Brockers 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.680 are really like the key components of this. Like they're 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:03.439 the two guys that you can count on to be 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:07.280 down every single snap, but they move all over the place. 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:11.439 They play like Donald plays three technique, he plays one technique, 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:16.480 he plays five technique. Brockers plays zero technique, one technique, 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.199 three technique, and five techniques. So they're lining up everywhere 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:21.559 from the tackle to the guard to the center. You 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:25.719 got Robert Quinn who plays wide wide. It's like that 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.480 outside linebacker, but his hands on the ground more often 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.480 than not. The same thing goes for Coon Curse type. Yeah, 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:35.040 same thing goes for Connor Barwin, Like he's the outside linebacker, 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.000 but he lines up as an end way more often 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:40.880 than anything else. And then you have alec Ogletree who 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:44.640 is within three feet of the ball damn near every snap, 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:48.000 Like he's basically another lineman. They got a couple of 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:51.160 he's basically blitzing every play. Is that what I'm gonna 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:54.840 I'm gonna get into that. Yeah. Not if he's not blitzing, 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.880 he's just down near the line. And honestly, from what 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:00.840 I watched, again, I'm not rot us. I didn't watch 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:04.400 every game. I just watched last week, but he's a blitzer. 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.760 He's an extra pass rusher because he's sure in't anything 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.520 that impressed me in pass coverage, that's for sure, and 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:14.120 honestly as a run stopper for that matter. I'll get 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.640 more into that. The big takeaway that I came away with, 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:22.240 And maybe this shouldn't be surprising for Wade Phillips's. These 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:27.080 guys are really aggressive, super duper aggressive. Like again, this 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:30.440 is a three four front. They send five and six 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:35.000 man rushes all the time like a lot. Brockers and 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:39.920 Donald are awesome, and they beat their man more often 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.680 than not. I think if Donald doesn't beat his man 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:44.800 and get into the backfield, it's because he didn't want 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:46.920 to or that was not his assignment on that play. 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.840 Because he does it all the time with ease, and 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.800 I think the ease with which should they do it 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.280 actually works against them because I swear to God so 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:59.040 many times they like overran the play to the point 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:02.760 where Harlow's hide has three guys in his face right 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:04.240 here and he just kind of cuts to the left 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:07.600 and there's green grass over here. That seemed like it 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:11.160 happened all the time. Alec Ogletree, if he wasn't blitzing, 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.680 he's down near the line. He gave up a thirty 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.360 four yard gain down the seam to the fullback, the 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.320 guy with the goofy name that I can't pronounce U. 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.680 But the forty nine Ers signed him move the offseason 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.680 from Baltimore. You guys, aren't you know not you're tight end? 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.760 You said, fullback? Oh, fullback? The forty nine Ers gave 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:32.720 a lucrative contract to a fullback. It's like jurishnick or 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.440 it's a weird name, you're a vicious Nope, not right. 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.360 Gave up a thirty four yard gain just really, in 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:45.280 my opinion, did not look super amazing in coverage. Again, 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.840 like I feel like their whole strategy is to get 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:53.320 to the quarterback and if they don't. It's it's not 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.440 gonna be pretty, and it's kind of successful honestly, because 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:59.240 they got four sacks on Brian Hoyer. They forced him 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:01.200 into an intercept and on the first play of the game. 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.200 But okay, so so here here are the stats that 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.000 kind of back up what I'm trying to say. They're 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:12.080 twenty second in the league in yards per game. They're 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:15.040 allowing one hundred and forty rushing yards per game, two 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.200 hundred and five passing yards per game, and they're twenty 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:21.000 sixth and scoring d largely off of giving up for 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.800 thirty nine to the forty nine ers. But for all 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:28.200 the talent they have, I just feel like they're aggressive 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:31.520 to the point that it's not disciplined. Like they give 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.160 they give up cut back lanes, they give up big gains. 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:38.360 Hoyer hit he hit Pierre Garson for fifty nine yards 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:42.480 one on one coverage against Tremaine Johnson. What else did 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.720 they give up? They gave up They gave up two 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.160 or three long gains, like right down the middle of 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:52.800 the field, and San Francisco had four drops on top 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:57.200 of that. Like, so the main thing I come away 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:59.880 with is that, yeah, these guys are super aggressive, they 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:02.440 and try to force you into a mistake. But in 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.040 doing so, I feel like they made a lot of mistakes. 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.240 They were penalized. The Rams were penalized seven times in 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:13.240 this game. Five of those came on defense, off sides, 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.880 off sides, too many men on the field, roughing the passer, 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:24.000 defensive pass interference, all of which are undisciplined, not smart penalties. 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:28.520 Roughing and the two off sides are results of trying 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:30.840 to get to the quarterback and trying to, you know, 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:35.600 make a statement with your pass rush. Um, going back 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:39.600 to our conversation yesterday. Sorry if I'm ready, Um, there 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:41.600 is a lot of talent here. Wait, Like I mean, 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:44.000 the Rams have been mediocre to bad for more than 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:48.240 a decade, so that's to be expected. But Rockers is 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:53.040 twelfth overall. Donald is fourteenth overall. Robert backs is that 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:56.680 what you go? Picks? Okay, gotcha? Sorry? Robert Quinn is 0:17:56.720 --> 0:18:02.679 eleventh overall. Ogletree is thirteenth overall. Mark Baron. Mark Baron 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:07.720 is a safety who's he's their linebacker BAMA former buccaneer. 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:12.920 He's traded to the Rams. Um Truemain Johnson right seventh overall. 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:18.359 True that uh same draft as Mo, and he was 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.840 better than Mo and Brockers was and you just kind 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:24.440 of remember the guy I remember about the Brockers, Yeah, 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.840 that were better than him. Truemaine Johnson, who's their big, 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:31.600 feisty uh six three corner. He's starting a lot of 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:33.960 crap when they practiced together at training camp. If you 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:36.879 remember that a couple of years ago, where was he drafted. 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.320 He's a third round pick. Um LaMarcus Joyner is their 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.560 their main safety out of Florida State. He's a second 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:47.160 round pick. So they got Yeah, they've got they got talent, 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:50.119 and they they can do a lot of impressive stuff 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.520 with it. Like I can't I can't express how impressive, 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:57.359 particularly Brockers and Donald Ark, like they do whatever they 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:00.480 want most of the time. But again, I feel like 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:02.800 you can take advantage of a lot of that, and 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:04.720 like all I was thinking about while I was watching 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:07.520 this was like, oh, Dak can kill these guys with 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:11.159 play action and stuff like that, because especially like the 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:13.640 boot actions and the waggles and stuff like that, where 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:15.600 you get the whole defense going one way and bring 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:19.400 it back like they weren't ready for that on any level. 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:22.520 When Brian Hoyer was doing it, and that's Brian Hoyer. 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:25.560 That's without the talent that he has around him as well. 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:29.080 Exactly like you know, I thought I said last week, 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:33.639 Arizona was really aggressive, but they were disciplined. These guys, 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:35.720 I just feel like they want to hit you and 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.520 make a statement and worry about the rest of it later. 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:44.040 Like it seems like just not a very disciplined group. 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.600 Now it has turned into for them, it has turned 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:49.320 into ten sacks, which they are now sixth in the 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.920 NFL in sacks. And I guess the big question from 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:56.119 that is do you think the Cowboys can take this 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.879 aggressiveness or will take this aggressiveness and use it against him? 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:01.879 What does that ten? Or do you think that'll be 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:06.040 a problem for this offense. Well, I think that it'll 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.040 be both. I mean it'll be a problem because you know, 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:12.040 they'll catch them on times when they're not ready and 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:14.159 they'll probably get a few sacks here and there. But 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:17.159 it's just like that game in twenty fourteen, if you 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:19.399 remember that they got up twenty one to nothing. I 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:23.480 mean that their aggressiveness from generas Jenkins at the time 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:27.240 got a pick six interception, but his aggressiveness also led 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:29.960 to a touchdown by Dez Bryant that got him back 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:32.440 in the game and turn things around, So you know, 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:36.560 aggressiveness will work both ways. I think what's interesting is that, 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.200 you know, obviously you talk about Wade Phillips wanting to 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:42.280 come in here and probably do some great things against 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:44.639 the Cowboys as a former coach, But let's not forget 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:48.080 that that Scott Lenahan on the other side of the ball, 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:51.720 also coached the Rams as a head coach didn't work 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:54.159 out as well. Might have something to prove too, even 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:57.000 though these aren't the same Rams, same city or anything. 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:00.920 But I still I guarantee it will be a nice 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:03.520 chess match between Lanahan and Wade Phillips. All Right, we're 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:05.080 gonna take our first break. When we come back, I'm 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:07.879 gonna ask the question, Dave. I heard you talking about 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:13.280 how these particularly the particularly Brockers and Aaron Donald move 0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:15.640 around quite a bit, and I'm gonna ask the question, 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:17.520 do you think that this can create a problem for 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:20.000 the Cowboys seeing as though they can now try to 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:22.960 use those guys to exploit the weaker links of that 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:24.760 offensive line. We'll talk about that when we come back. 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:27.120