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Speaker 1: Sometimes I forget how much power Mazielle and the Legion

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Speaker 1: But what they really controlled wasn't just institutions. It was

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Speaker 1: that control reached deep into the media. Editors, reporters, publishers.

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Speaker 1: Everyone knew the red lines, the invisible limit between what

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Speaker 1: could be said about Masielle and what couldn't. His name

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Speaker 1: opened doors, and it closed them to Crossing him could

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Speaker 1: mean losing everything, a job, a reputation, a career, and

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Speaker 1: silence was bought and sold like currency. Even now, journalism

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Speaker 1: and when it came to Marseille, few dared to ask

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Speaker 1: He's been reporting for more than forty years, politics, organized crime, corruption.

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Speaker 1: He's seeing what happens when you push too far and

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Speaker 1: what telling the truth can cost you. This is a

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Speaker 1: bonus episode of Sacred Scandal. The next two episodes will

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Speaker 1: understand how the Legion of Christ really worked, not just

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Speaker 1: journalist Roberta Arza about the night Mexican television broke the

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Speaker 1: My name is Elena Sada and this is secret Scandal,

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Speaker 1: the many secrets of Marcelle Macil. Episode eleven interview with

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Speaker 1: Czido Gomez Leva. We'll be back after a short break.

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Speaker 1: This conversation was recorded by Roberta Garza earlier this year.

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Speaker 1: You'll hear her voice asking the questions and Zido answering

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Speaker 1: in Spanish. Our producer Alvaro Espedes will translate Zido's answers

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Speaker 2: El dos de Mario Dello and basi it I remember

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Speaker 2: it was the twelfth of May of nineteen eighty seven.

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Speaker 2: Channel forty Your channel, what the first to broadcast the

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Speaker 2: notice of Marcel Marseille's abuses. You were the first media

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Speaker 3: He had Likestoria labiano concerre missus santis.

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Speaker 4: The original story had come out a few months earlier,

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Speaker 4: In Mexico, the first outlet to follow that story was

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Speaker 1: At that time, the Legion was one of the most

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Speaker 3: La Prescium, Bino and Premier were part The first notice

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Speaker 4: Representatives from the Legion even went to the newsroom in person.

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Speaker 4: As the air date got closer, the team started getting

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Speaker 1: That last one, the threat of losing add money, turned

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Speaker 2: Were those threats very explicit, like did they actually tell

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Speaker 2: A part of a woman as much so, apart from

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Speaker 4: On the very afternoon the program was scheduled to air,

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Speaker 2: Now you he told us that the government, the Mexican

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Speaker 1: It was a tense and confusing moment. Some officials openly

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Speaker 4: Wherever Mexico's elide gathered, Mazill was there. The Legionaries' universities

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Speaker 1: Eventually that truth brought about what Zido calls the defeat,

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Speaker 1: are Carmen Graterol, Isaac Lee, and j H. Carr, mixing

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Speaker 1: on sound designed by Patrick and Jonnes, original music by

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Speaker 1: Darko and I Am based on Patrick Hart's original composition.

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Speaker 1: Executive users that I heard are Leo Gomez and Arlene Santana.

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Speaker 1: Alexis Cardoza also serves as producer. Circars Scandal was created

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Speaker 1: by Melanie Bartley and Paula Varos