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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Ryan Warmley, joined by Tom Strachan. We are talking some

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Speaker 1: players who will make or break your drafts in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six. As a reminder for everybody, all of our

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six consensus rankings and tiers can be found

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Speaker 1: at fantasypros dot com slash rankings. That's where you'll find

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Speaker 1: things like our half PPR Expert consensus rankings. If we

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Speaker 1: reference a players ranking on the show today, generally speaking,

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Speaker 1: unless we go out of our way to identify it elsewise,

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Speaker 1: it is going to be their half PPR Expert consensus ranking.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking some running backs, receivers, quarterbacks, and

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Speaker 1: tight ends that could make or break your drafts. So

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Speaker 1: not necessarily like a bust list. These could be players

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Speaker 1: that have upside that could win you your league on

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Speaker 2: So you can kind of go in either direction.

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Speaker 1: You could, you know, not really polarizing players list, but

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Speaker 1: just a wide range of outcomes list, I think is

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Speaker 1: the right way to put it.

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Speaker 3: Tom, Yeah, definitely, I mean these are guys, but you

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Speaker 3: don't I play a lot of Best Ball of player,

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Speaker 3: lot of higher stake stuff and the guys, but I

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Speaker 3: don't want no exposure to But every time that I'm

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Speaker 3: taking them, I'm having to really be thoughtful about what

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Speaker 3: what the outcomes that I'm hoping for are.

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Speaker 1: And don't worry everybody, despite the fact that this is

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Speaker 1: a Worm and Tom show, we will not just be

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Speaker 1: talking to Ravens the whole time.

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Speaker 2: The fact there's not a single raven On comeback for us,

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Speaker 2: So another time, another time. All right, let's dive right in.

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Speaker 1: We'll start with the running backs here, and first dame

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Speaker 1: on your list is Traveon Henderson.

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Speaker 2: Why is he a make or break player for you?

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Speaker 3: I don't think that there's any bigger make or break

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Speaker 3: players inside the top sort of sixty picks at the minute.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Trevian Henderson's going at fifty eighth overall, which

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Speaker 3: is twenty picks ahead of Romandre Stevenson in the expert

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Speaker 3: consensus rankings.

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Speaker 4: And you look at what he did last year.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, weeks one aweight were incredibly disappointing six point six

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Speaker 3: points per game, and then weeks nine to eighteen, it

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Speaker 3: was seventeen point one fantasy points per game. The weeks

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Speaker 3: where Stevenson missed, of course, were just incredible. For people

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Speaker 3: like us who were very in on Trevion Henderson last year,

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Speaker 3: it was like, Okay, the breakout's happening. We've booked this

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Speaker 3: so many times. The rookie running back who finally gets

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Speaker 3: the opportunity explodes three dud and thirty yards five touchdowns

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Speaker 3: think that the market is definitely taking into account the

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Speaker 3: upside that we saw in that period. They're very much

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Speaker 3: bettering on a second year progression, a second year breakout,

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Speaker 3: and growing on that. But I'm not sure that it's

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Speaker 3: properly taken into account just how good Ramondre Stevenson was

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Speaker 3: last year as well. You know, six of them fantasy

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Speaker 3: points over expected fifth and explosive run rate, and he

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Speaker 3: was better in yards after contact van Henderson. The big

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Speaker 3: kind of pivot point on this decision for me is

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Speaker 3: can Henderson show that he's a good pass protector, because

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Speaker 3: you go back to college and he was good in

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Speaker 3: pass protection, but he never really showed up last year,

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Speaker 3: and I think if you want to build the positive

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Speaker 3: case and say Trevion Henderson is going to break out,

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Speaker 3: it's going to have to start with being able to

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Speaker 3: hold his own on pass protection. But it's very easy

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Speaker 3: to see eva scenario play out this year.

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Speaker 1: Do you tend to lean more towards the make or

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Speaker 3: I'm generally leaning towards that this one is going to

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Speaker 3: break poorly, But I think that in Dynasty he's somebody

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Speaker 3: that'll want to be acquiring because there's still so much

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Speaker 3: potential with him. But I think the Remandre is good

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Speaker 3: enough for the kind of reasons I mentioned before and

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Speaker 3: the way the team of talking about him that it's

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Speaker 3: probably still going to cap him, and the player I've

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Speaker 1: Out of two of these, When you think about the

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Speaker 1: situation that actually Vanna Henderson is in, do you feel

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Speaker 2: In terms of like personnel or what you expect.

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Speaker 1: To play calling to look like in the second full

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Speaker 1: Do you think that case just simply is it's your two,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's one which a lot of people

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Speaker 3: MVP runner up last year, But it's looking at how

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Speaker 3: well that offense played through the regular season. Obviously, the

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Speaker 3: to see them run the ball more? Last year they

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Speaker 3: more situations where they have to pass. Maybe that could

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Speaker 3: benefit Travion Henderson from a pass catching point of view,

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Speaker 3: but overall, I'm a little bit skeptical about his ceiling

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Speaker 1: One guy that I kind of think of in a

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Speaker 1: He's two spots behind him any running back rankings in

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Speaker 1: ECR Henderson RB twenty three, Tooton RB twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a preference of team those two?

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Speaker 1: It's not somebody that's on the list for today, but

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Speaker 2: Let's see what the usage is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it feels a little more obvious

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Speaker 2: How do you compare Henderson to Tuton.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a very similar bet really. I mean

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Speaker 3: you look, these are two headed backfields. Yes there's guys

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Speaker 3: an easier bet on two. And particularly with Chris Rodriguez

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Speaker 1: Another I think's interesting to compare to Henderson is the

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Speaker 1: next guy on your list, his former college teammate, Quinn

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Speaker 1: Shawn Judkins, obviously played together at Ohio State, coming off

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Speaker 1: very very tough, you know, leg injury to Judkins. Is

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Speaker 1: the injury the biggest reason why you view as a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the fractured fibula isn't nothing. We've seen Tony Pollard,

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Speaker 3: hamper him as much as you have us but it's everything.

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Speaker 3: It's the fact that this Cleveland team has lost Miles

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Speaker 3: scores were close, they were able to run the ball

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Speaker 3: that they were protecting Shoudeur Sanders at times they were

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Speaker 3: protecting Dylan Gabriel by running the ball. This year, it

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Speaker 3: they've got in both to Sean Watson, what we've gotten

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Speaker 3: to show in Shudeur Sanders, how much do they passed

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Speaker 3: also starting five new offensive linemen over in Cleveland, more

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Speaker 3: out last year, which was awful. But the last part

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Speaker 3: Dylan Samson goes almost one hundred spots behind him in

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Speaker 3: ADP and Dylan Samson is far better in yards per

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Speaker 3: Now that's not to say Judkins can't catch the ball,

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Speaker 3: but Judkins isn't anywhere near as good as Dylan Sampson.

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Speaker 3: And I think that munkin the man who was heavily

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Speaker 1: I really liked Dylan Sampson last year. I still like

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Speaker 1: him this year, especially with that price difference between the two. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So Judkins RB twenty one, Henderson RB twenty three to

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Speaker 2: Obviously Toot not on your list, but somebody that I

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Speaker 1: Kind of like, does this feel when you sat down

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Speaker 1: to cover with your names? Because you have one more

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Speaker 1: running back who is also in this range, he's RB

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Speaker 1: twenty four, does this just feel like the range of

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Speaker 1: that these are where a lot of these names happen

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean Judkins, the argument is very much about

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Speaker 3: like Dylan Sampson Trevion Henderson. It's, you know, it's that

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Speaker 3: ambiguous backfield like I'd like a little bit of Henderson,

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Speaker 3: but probably more at Remandre at the cheaper cost the

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Speaker 3: But these are dead zone running backs, like if you

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Speaker 4: For type of player.

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Speaker 3: We've kind of all covered that a lot of years,

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Speaker 3: but these are the kind of tricky situations that you

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Speaker 3: give me Bucky Irving over quinch On Jokins. I've got

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Speaker 3: more faith in their offense. Give me Juderian Price. I

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Speaker 3: DeAndre Swift. I feel like that's a clearer bet to

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Speaker 1: who's the last running back we're talking about here?

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Speaker 3: and I think that he's going to eat into David

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm kind of with you on this one.

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Speaker 2: There's real upside for all of those guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm interested in this Texans offense. I'm not ready to

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Speaker 1: you said, went out and traded real draft capital for Montgomery,

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Speaker 3: I think we're excellent, and that's why people have bought

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the wide receivers here, who's the first

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like if his cost stays wide receiver eleven,

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Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna have Rice on any teams. No,

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Speaker 1: And like you said, there's there's other names around him

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Speaker 1: in terms of off the field stuff. And like you said,

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that I'm not gonna be the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's incredibly hard to stay

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Speaker 1: It's also not just the receivers that are near him

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Speaker 1: who do you want to talk about next?

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Speaker 3: Well, let's go ter Or McMillan, because he's kind of

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Speaker 3: in that range that we just talked about with Eggbuka

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Speaker 3: Lad McConkey, and those are the guys that I find

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Speaker 3: myself drafting over him repeatedly, Like obviously, it was an

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Speaker 3: incredible season for Terro McMillan last year finishes offensive Rookie

485
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Speaker 3: of the Year, but so much of his output and

486
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Speaker 3: outlook depends massively on Bryce Young, and so much of

487
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Speaker 3: what Bryce Young is doing is depending on the offensive line.

488
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Speaker 3: Now ikey Okanu, left tackle is on the pup to

489
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Speaker 3: start training camp. Right tackle Taylor Martin is also on

490
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Speaker 3: the non football injury list. So it's not exactly the

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Speaker 3: best start the Panthers rampure last year, Like there's no

492
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Speaker 3: doubt in that, like the way they ended up finding

493
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Speaker 3: the way into the playoffs, nobody expected it, nobody expected

494
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 3: pushed the Rams as far as they did in the playoffs.

495
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 3: But this year, the flip side of that is we

496
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Speaker 3: now have to play the third toughest strength of schedule,

497
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 3: according to Sharp Football, Like, that's what happens when you

498
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 3: finish first. Life gets harder. They're playing THEAFC North when

499
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Speaker 3: they play an AFC team, whereas last year they were

500
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Speaker 3: playing VAFC South. You've got the Steelers defense in there,

501
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 3: We've got Ravens defense, which both of us are definitely

502
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 3: expecting to bounce back from the miserable days of zach Or.

503
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 4: And when you look.

504
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 3: At Tyrol Rower, like last year he had such a

505
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,479
Speaker 3: massive domination of the Panthers receiving yards. He accounted for

506
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 3: forty three percent of their air yards, which was the

507
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 3: second highest in the league of burning team total yards

508
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 3: as well. And I'm expecting jale and Coca to take

509
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 3: a step forward.

510
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 4: Like last year.

511
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 3: He got injured in training camp and then wasn't back

512
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 3: to weeks seven, but then had a reasonable stretch. You've

513
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 3: got j Tavian Sanders, who, yes, might be nothing, but

514
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 3: could be something at the tight end position. They seem

515
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 3: excited about the running back position there. So if all

516
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 3: of these things come together, could they be just a

517
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 3: little bit less reliant on Terror McMillan And the last one,

518
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: it's just like Bryce Young. I mean, we're heading you

519
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Speaker 3: want to talk about make a break year Bryce, and

520
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 3: he's definitely in a make or break year. Fourth worst

521
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Speaker 3: in passing yards per game, second worst by yards per

522
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Speaker 3: passe attempt, and it's just been miserable output for a

523
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 3: fantasy perspective over the course of his career and not

524
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 3: much better in real NFL terms. So yeah, I like Terro.

525
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 3: I really think that he's a fun player I watch.

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Speaker 3: I'm just having a very hard time convincing myself I

527
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Speaker 3: would rather take him over Lad Mconkie, Garrett Wilson, and

528
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Speaker 3: mechag Booker.

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Speaker 1: What percentage chance you think there is that Bryce Young

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Speaker 1: takes a step forward this year, not into like the

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Speaker 1: elite tier or anything, which is that he becomes a

532
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Speaker 1: quarterback that is more viable for support a high level

533
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Speaker 1: fantasy weapon.

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Speaker 3: I don't think i'd put it above twenty five percent.

535
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Speaker 3: I feel like the kind of the best we saw

536
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Speaker 3: of Bryce Young was probably last year when things were

537
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 3: clicking for the team. They were pushing the ball a

538
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 3: little at times, and you know they were winning. But

539
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: I've never seen enough from him where I'm highly confident

540
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Speaker 3: that he's going to turn into I don't know, even

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Speaker 3: say rookie season c J.

542
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Speaker 4: Stroud.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that we're going to get to that

544
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Speaker 3: kind of level. And I think that he's very much

545
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Speaker 3: staring down the barrel of his last season as a star.

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Speaker 1: I feel like with Tteroa McMillan, who's a player that

547
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Speaker 1: I loved just in a vacuum.

548
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 2: I loved him coming out of college.

549
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Speaker 1: I was very much with Debro who obviously talked him

550
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: up in a big way last year during draft season,

551
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Speaker 1: and I love the player. The offensive environment is clearly

552
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,719
Speaker 1: the question mark and what the usage will be. I

553
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: do wonder if he maybe takes a step forward in

554
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: terms of the touchdowns, even if some of the targets

555
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: overall all changes. He feels like he should be such

556
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Speaker 1: a great weapon there. And the first ten weeks last

557
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: season he had two touchdowns. They were both in the

558
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Speaker 1: same game, So he had nine of his first ten

559
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Speaker 1: weeks of his rookie season he did not catch a touchdown,

560
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Speaker 1: and then in the final seven weeks he caught six.

561
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Speaker 1: So I wonder if that is maybe a sign of

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00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: what his usage will look like this upcoming season. Where

563
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: in those games where he was running hotter on touchdowns,

564
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Speaker 1: you know, he had a few games where he had

565
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Speaker 1: like two targets, four targets, four targets. He also had

566
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Speaker 1: some more hit ten twelve targets, so he was kind

567
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: of up and down, but he was getting used more

568
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Speaker 1: in the red zone.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if that will carry over.

570
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Speaker 1: And I also wonder if the fact that they're facing

571
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Speaker 1: a tougher schedule maybe is to his benefit and they'll

572
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 1: have to throw more because they'll be behind more.

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Speaker 2: Often, and they'll say, well, we just.

574
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Speaker 1: Got to know, chuck it up to our best receiver,

575
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Speaker 1: which he is, even if a guy like Coker takes

576
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Speaker 1: a step forward. So I wonder if there is a

577
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Speaker 1: path there. I feel like when I look at him,

578
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Speaker 1: and I wonder if you feel the same way. I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: his ranked is a third round pick right now. I

580
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Speaker 1: don't love that, but I really like it as a

581
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Speaker 1: fourth round pick. That's sort of how I'm feeling. So

582
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Speaker 1: I think it depends where I'm picking, Like if I

583
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: have an early pick, and therefore I have an early

584
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Speaker 1: third pick, you know, picking the third round. I don't

585
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Speaker 1: see myself taking a lot of him. But if I

586
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Speaker 1: can get him like at that three four turn, and

587
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: if he follows a couple of spots, then I feel

588
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Speaker 1: a lot more excited about it. Do you feel similarly

589
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: or are you just like there's too many other players

590
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 1: around here for me to want to take him.

591
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, if you're taking him as your wide receiver. Two,

592
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 3: if you've started running back running back, but I think

593
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 3: that's fine. I think you know we can understand what

594
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Speaker 3: we're getting from him. I think if you've started running

595
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Speaker 3: back running back and then a tight end or a quarterback,

596
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 3: it becomes much harder to be taking him as your

597
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Speaker 3: wide receiver one, or if I've taken a hero RB

598
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 3: approach just that one running back and then gone three

599
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Speaker 3: wide receivers, and I'm getting him as my wide receiver

600
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Speaker 3: three or my flex potentially if you only start two

601
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 3: wide receivers, I feel great about that because if I'm

602
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Speaker 3: going to say that, I expect more from Jale and Coke,

603
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: and then perhaps there is a world where the Panthers

604
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 3: don't rank twenty fifth in red zone trips like they

605
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Speaker 3: did last year, and they have more past attempts down there,

606
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 3: which then gives McMillan more chance to discover touchdowns like

607
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: you mentioned. But I'm being very cautious which teams I

608
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 3: take him on.

609
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Speaker 1: At the moment, we're looking a little further down the

610
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Speaker 1: wide receiver rankings for the last hour. Talk about here,

611
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Speaker 1: tell me why Alec Pierce made this list for you?

612
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, so why was he with thirty two in ECR

613
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 3: seventy fourth overall? Like this isn't a bad range of

614
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 3: the draft for a guy that we saw have real

615
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 3: ceiling outcomes last year. And I think that plenty of

616
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 3: people all taught themselves into it because of that, I

617
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 3: just get a little bit nervous because the foot injury

618
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 3: we know a o Tas a mini camp he talked

619
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Speaker 3: about the fact that he might not be ready until September,

620
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Speaker 3: and then the way his production came last year was

621
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Speaker 3: just not in a way which we tend to see

622
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Speaker 3: be sticky. So among wide receivers with fifty or more targets,

623
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Speaker 3: Alec person of the highest average depth of target of

624
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 3: nineteen point four yards if that's over a yard more

625
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 3: than any other player. He led the position in yards

626
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 3: perception at T twenty one, which was almost four yards

627
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 3: more than the next receiver. And out of his one

628
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Speaker 3: thousand and three yards that he had last year, four

629
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Speaker 3: hundred and seventy seven of them came on passing place

630
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Speaker 3: twenty or more yards downfield. Daniel Jones was far better

631
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 3: at hitting the deep ball last year than we've seen

632
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 3: throughout his career, but also when he was going deep,

633
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 3: every film was telegraphed with Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones went

634
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Speaker 3: to his first read on one hundred percent of his

635
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Speaker 3: attempts over twenty plus yards last year, which is a

636
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 3: wild number. Like if teams starts to look at last

637
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Speaker 3: year and go, Okay, Daniel Jones when he goes deep,

638
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 3: he's going to his first read and start to shadow

639
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: more coverage over to Alec Pearce because of that. Does

640
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 3: that come down Alec Pierce? Is he going to be

641
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 3: as good coming off his own injury? Daniel Jones coming

642
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 3: off his achilles injury. There's all these little bits where

643
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 3: it just starts to be like, Okay, could I see

644
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 3: Alec Pierce getting seven hundred yards and becoming more useful

645
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 3: near of the line of scrimmage, perhaps finding some layups

646
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: and making up for it in PPR set maybe, but

647
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 3: in half PPR where touchdowns and big yardage totals really help.

648
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit concerned, and I just don't love

649
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 3: drafting injured players during training camp.

650
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. His finished last year was wide receiver twenty eight.

651
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: So since he's already ranked a couple of spots lower

652
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Speaker 1: than that and you're including them on this list, is

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Speaker 1: is it fair to think that you expect a worst season?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: You know, he ran so pure and generally. I'm just

656
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Speaker 3: living in the running backs in this section when you're

657
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Speaker 3: kind of getting down to this area of the draft

658
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Speaker 3: visa the guys in the ambiguous backfields visa the guys

659
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Speaker 3: who are breakout potential.

660
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Speaker 4: You know, I am building a lot of.

661
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Speaker 3: Hero RB teams for a lot of zero RB teams

662
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Speaker 3: and trying to go against the grain of these running

663
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Speaker 3: back heavy drafts. And if you start running back heavy,

664
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Speaker 3: then getting alec person this range probably makes a lot

665
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Speaker 3: of sense, but it's not the way that I'm building.

666
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Speaker 2: Some of the receivers around here.

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Speaker 1: Martin Harrison Junior wide receiver thirty Carnel Tate wide receiver

668
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Speaker 1: thirty one, Brian Thomas Junior wider thirty three. Some really

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Speaker 1: interesting names there for different reasons across the three. Where

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Speaker 1: does pure stack up against those names? Specifically for you?

671
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Speaker 3: So, I think I'd put him last simply because of

672
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Speaker 3: the injury. It's like, you know, it's a fair tiebreaker.

673
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Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, Tait is a big unknown quantity for

674
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Speaker 3: the NFL. Cam Ward obviously needs to take a massive

675
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Speaker 3: jump the Titans. There's a lot that needs to shake

676
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Speaker 3: right for them, but injured players more often than not,

677
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Speaker 3: it feels like that's a very shaky bet to make.

678
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Speaker 3: And depending on the size of your roster, depending on

679
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Speaker 3: the size of you know, how many wide receivers you're

680
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Speaker 3: looking at to start. I just feel like I can

681
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Speaker 3: make bets that I'm happier with elsewhere. And if the

682
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Speaker 3: volatility of those deep passes does start to affect him,

683
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Speaker 3: then it's going to be really difficult targeting because every

684
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Speaker 3: week you could be talking yourself into okay, well, Alec

685
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Speaker 3: person three deep targets. Last week he didn't catch him.

686
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Speaker 3: But last year he was excellent on these. Last year

687
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Speaker 3: he was so good. Variance is going to come back

688
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Speaker 3: to him, and that's not a game I want to play.

689
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Speaker 1: When you're on the clock, the toughest picks are often

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Speaker 1: the ones with both massive upside and real downside. That's

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Speaker 1: pick matters. All right, we got one quarterback and one

698
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Speaker 1: tight end here to wrap things up, Let's start with

699
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Speaker 1: the quarterback. Who will make or break your draft of

700
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Speaker 1: this position.

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Speaker 3: It's Jalen Hurts, and Jalen Hurts has been somebody that

702
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Speaker 3: I've been fairly aggressive on this year, Like nobody seems

703
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: excited for Jalen Hurts, and perhaps this one is leaning

704
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Speaker 3: a little more towards one QB League's than in super flex,

705
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Speaker 3: whereas in super flex he's a very easy click because

706
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Speaker 3: the flow is less noteworthy sometimes, like lots of people

707
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Speaker 3: are putting up maybe forty combined points from the quarterbacks

708
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Speaker 3: and maybe you could offset that.

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Speaker 4: With QB two.

710
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Speaker 3: But in one QB League's I think the Jalen Hurts

711
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Speaker 3: still has the potential to be a top three quarterback.

712
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Speaker 3: But if things go wrong for him, if this new

713
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Speaker 3: offense doesn't click, then he has the potential to be

714
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Speaker 3: fringe quarterback one territory sort of quarterback ten, quarterback eleven.

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Speaker 3: You go back to what we've seen from Jalen Hurts

716
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Speaker 3: over the last few years, Like last year, the rush

717
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Speaker 3: attempts were down, but he was still second among all

718
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Speaker 3: the quarterbacks of one hundred and five. He just wasn't

719
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Speaker 3: really breaking anything great. He was second in QB rush

720
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Speaker 3: attempts with sorry QB rush touchdowns with eight, so normally,

721
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Speaker 3: like most quarterbacks. We'd be very happy with eight Russian touchdowns.

722
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Speaker 3: Like if Lamar Jackson suddenly had eight rushing touchdowns in

723
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Speaker 3: a season, that would boy his numbers to an incredible number.

724
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Speaker 3: But because Jalen Hurts wasn't getting it done through the

725
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Speaker 3: air last year, his career low was in various passing stats,

726
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Speaker 3: it did make it harder. The Eagles average just twenty

727
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Speaker 3: two points per game last year, which ranked nineteenth in

728
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Speaker 3: the NFL. But we know how bad the offense was,

729
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Speaker 3: Like the offense was awful on third down attempts. They

730
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Speaker 3: ranked twenty fourth in the league. That's what gets your

731
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Speaker 3: offensive coordinator sacked or demoted whatever they did with him,

732
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Speaker 3: and you bring in a new offensive coordinator and sure Manyon,

733
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Speaker 3: who they clearly seem to want to change. How Jalen

734
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 3: Hurts is throwing the ball. That's so much a Jailen Hurts.

735
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Speaker 3: It's been dink and dunk or it's been real deep threats.

736
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Speaker 3: And Jake Seely has made some great points on our

737
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Speaker 3: channel over the last few months talking about some of

738
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Speaker 3: which people still seem to be missing. That like Jalen

739
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Speaker 3: Hurts can throw the ball in the middle, he just

740
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Speaker 3: doesn't do it a lot like eighty fifth out of

741
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Speaker 3: eighty eight eligible quarterbacks in percentage of throws between the

742
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Speaker 3: numbers below fifteen a yards over the last five years.

743
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Speaker 3: But when he does pass fare he's a fourth floist

744
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Speaker 3: off target rate on these passes, the highest touchdown per

745
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Speaker 3: attempt rating eighth and completion rate. So now you've got

746
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Speaker 3: mackay Lemon, you've got Eli Stowers, And I don't think

747
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Speaker 3: people are baking in enough that McKay Lemon and Eli

748
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 3: styles can really work in these areas. But it can

749
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Speaker 3: really help this offense be more efficient to keep it

750
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Speaker 3: moving rather than relying on the big plays, rather than

751
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Speaker 3: relying on you know, chucking it deep to aj Brown,

752
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Speaker 3: if it can feed across the middle of the field,

753
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Speaker 3: get a bit more yards after the catch, like last

754
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Speaker 3: year they generated a career low four point three yards

755
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Speaker 3: after the catch per completion, And I've thoroughly put that

756
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 3: on the offensive coordinator this year. I think that's going

757
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 3: to spike and I think that's going to give them

758
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 3: to the red zone more often, where perhaps we see

759
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Speaker 3: the return of a touch push with a healthy offensive line, I.

760
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Speaker 1: Feel like the most common piece of advice you hear

761
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Speaker 1: this time of year. I feel like you've heard a

762
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Speaker 1: lot of years, but I've heard it even more this

763
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Speaker 1: year from people in the industry. Is I want to

764
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Speaker 1: be drafting a quarterback in tier one or I want

765
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Speaker 1: to be waiting because it's such a deep position hurts

766
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Speaker 1: us in tier two at least in the Consentus ranking

767
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Speaker 1: these QB six, that's very much in the range of

768
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks that the general advice not getting into specific names,

769
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Speaker 1: but the thirty thousand fotview advice is avoid guys in

770
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Speaker 1: this range. Do you feel similar to that where you

771
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Speaker 1: would rather get Alan Lamar May or you know, wait

772
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Speaker 1: till the end of it, be the last guy to

773
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Speaker 1: take your starting quarterback and get you know, a Dak

774
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Speaker 1: Prescott at Jackson dar at a rock party, or take

775
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Speaker 1: us like a Kyler Jordan Love there's just so many

776
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Speaker 1: names late, Or are you more willing to play in

777
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Speaker 1: the sandbox of the other the other guys in tier two?

778
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Speaker 1: Just to read it again, this is based on ECR

779
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Speaker 1: jayde Daniels, Jalen Hurts, Caleb Williams.

780
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Speaker 2: Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of players that I really like there,

782
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: and I think it have really good, good seasons, but

783
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Speaker 1: they're in that range that typically is supposed to quote

784
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Speaker 1: unquote be avoided.

785
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Speaker 3: I'm happy living in that range, and I think that

786
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 3: that range has plenty of upside. I mean, you know,

787
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Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence we just saw have career high Russian touchdowns.

788
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 3: Jane Daniels, we know what he can do when he's healthy, Like,

789
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 3: there is so much upside.

790
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Speaker 4: Caleb Williams.

791
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Speaker 3: If you can get more accurate and get the ball

792
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Speaker 3: out slidely quick or whatever, then the upside is obviously

793
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Speaker 3: there for somebody we're incredibly excited for coming into the league.

794
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Speaker 3: As for Jalen Hurts, I've done a lot of after

795
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 3: this offseason, and I've seen him drop down as far

796
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Speaker 3: as QB nine. I've seen him drop fifteen spots past

797
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Speaker 3: ADP because people just are going by that idea of

798
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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna wait quarterback feels deep, and because that's happening,

799
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Speaker 3: it's such an easier click for me. I think that

800
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Speaker 3: you rarely, if ever have to reach to get Jalen

801
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Speaker 3: Hurts unless you're drafting with somebody you know as an

802
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Speaker 3: Eagles fan who feels particularly good about him. But I

803
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Speaker 3: think the Jalen Hurts is underpriced, and I think he's

804
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Speaker 3: very easy to get, and if you don't get him,

805
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Speaker 3: that range also feels fine. But yeah, I'm I'm very

806
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Speaker 3: much fine with that whole tier.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's funny.

808
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Speaker 1: I historically would say that philosophically speaking, I am with

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Speaker 1: the early court quarterback or late and this year feels like,

810
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Speaker 1: you know, I even agree with that in a vacuum

811
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Speaker 1: because the top.

812
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Speaker 2: Is so strong and the depth is so strong.

813
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Speaker 1: But when I just read those names to you, I

814
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Speaker 1: hadn't actually like sat down and remind myself, like who

815
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Speaker 1: was actually in ti your tea. Literally quarterbacks five through

816
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Speaker 1: ten Daniels, Hurts, Caleb Herbert, Lawrence, and the Dak Prescott's

817
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: right at top of tier three in Arkansas the rankings.

818
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm just good.

819
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Speaker 1: I'm really in on that group of quarterbacks and they

820
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: are some of my favorite guys this year at cost.

821
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Speaker 1: And you know, Hurts, he's the QB six. It's like

822
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: a late fifth round pick in the overall rankings. So

823
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Speaker 1: these other guys like Caleb Herbert Marks are even deeper.

824
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Speaker 1: I think I'm very willing to play in the sandbox

825
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: right there along with you. Like you know Caleb here

826
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Speaker 1: two with Ben Johnson, Herbert, with Mike McDaniel, Lawrence the

827
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Speaker 1: way he finished last year, let alone obviously the guy

828
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Speaker 1: you brought up in Hurts, Who's I think you're right,

829
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Speaker 1: people are are nobody is going to bid you up

830
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: on Jalen Hurts in your draft.

831
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think even if you are concerned about

832
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Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts and you want to take a late round

833
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Speaker 3: flyer to just give yourself a little bit of insurance,

834
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Speaker 3: It's not something I tend to do. But the guys

835
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Speaker 3: who are going undrafted in standards twelve team one quarterback leagues,

836
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Speaker 3: guys like Jared Goff, Bo Nicks, Baker Mayfield, these are

837
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Speaker 3: the guys who are going to be on waivers. But

838
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Speaker 3: you could take one of those with your last round

839
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Speaker 3: pick and sit back and go Okay. If Jalen Hurts

840
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Speaker 3: miss often stinks in week on Week two, I have

841
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Speaker 3: my guy who is going to be in every week

842
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Speaker 3: staff for the rest of the season, who will be

843
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 3: probably pretty decent.

844
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

845
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're I haven't really gone into this draft season

846
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Speaker 1: anticipating targeting Hurts too much. You're kind of talking me

847
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Speaker 1: into not really having to target him, but being happy

848
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Speaker 1: if he kind of you know, gets gets to a

849
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Speaker 1: place un comfortable with I.

850
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Speaker 3: Mean, I just think, like Jalen Hurts, how many quarterbacks

851
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Speaker 3: after him are truly in the mix to be VQB

852
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Speaker 3: one overall? Like if we got a fourteen touchdown Russian

853
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Speaker 3: season from Jalen Hurts, which isn't out of the question,

854
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Speaker 3: if a passing offense is a little more impressive and

855
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Speaker 3: we get to thirty touchdowns and you know, a reasonable

856
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 3: amount say six hundred rushing yards above or above, then

857
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Speaker 3: I think that Jalen Hurts could easily be in like

858
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Speaker 3: top two, top three territory pushing for QB one. And

859
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Speaker 3: I don't think there's many players after him with that

860
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Speaker 3: kind of ceiling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you look like some would make the case.

862
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Speaker 1: Not me, but someone make the case for Jackson Dart.

863
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Speaker 1: I'm too scared off by, you know, just the way

864
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Speaker 1: he plays and what that offense is gonna look like

865
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Speaker 1: in general like that, he would not be my choice,

866
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Speaker 1: But I know there are some who are really high

867
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Speaker 1: excited as upside given the rushing you know, I think

868
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Speaker 1: you could like make there's always somebody like a pass

869
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: first quarterback who just runs really hot on passing touchdowns

870
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: every year. You know, maybe that's Jordan Love this year,

871
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 1: or like I don't know, somebody later who then makes

872
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: a push for like a QB one finish.

873
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's really like.

874
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: The guys at the top, you know, Alan Lamar, Drake

875
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: May for the obvious reasons, and then it's like hurts.

876
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: You know, maybe Herbert he's been QB two before and

877
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: now it gets a new offense. But you're right, it's

878
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: not a very long list. It's a lot of more

879
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,479
Speaker 1: safety of Jared Goff, Matthew Stafford, bo Knicks in John

880
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: Payton's offense more so than a guy that like you

881
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: really could see being QB well, Like like last year,

882
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: I think there was a lot of people myself included, saying,

883
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: you know, Drake May is going late, he might not

884
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: be great, but there's a world where he's competing for

885
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: a QB one season. I don't see as like Milik

886
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: Willis if you just really think the rush is going

887
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: to be there, but like who is he throwing to?

888
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: It gets harder to squint and see that.

889
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, And it's also like offensive efficiency and buying

890
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 3: into the overall environment, isn't it? And like the Eagles,

891
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: when the offensive line is healthy enough to believe in

892
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 3: that there's enough reason. We've seen it before from the

893
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 3: Eagles where it's like, you know, the Giants, there's not

894
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 3: much about that situation. I'm willing to buy into it

895
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 3: the minute.

896
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's wrap up with the tight end that you

897
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: want to talk about here, Sam Laporta.

898
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 2: Why is he make or break?

899
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean eighty fourth overall tight end A. I

900
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 3: would take him easily over Kyle Pitts and Harold Fannin.

901
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: I think that we're going to see his ranking jump

902
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 3: significantly over the next week or two.

903
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 4: He's been completely.

904
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 3: Cleared from injury ahead of camp. He had a herniate

905
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 3: at disc last year, and I think that as people

906
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 3: realize but he's not going to miss any of training camp,

907
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 3: we're going to see people start to push him up again.

908
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 3: Going back to what we're looking for from Jalen Hurts

909
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 3: to WONSI position in th tight end, who give me

910
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 3: tight end one overall outcomes and I think the reporter

911
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 3: is potentially the lowest possible tight end who can do that. Obviously,

912
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 3: the flip side of this is if James and Williams.

913
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 3: Ever eventually breaks out properly, then it might be a

914
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 3: poor pick, but something our guys on the Betting Pros

915
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 3: podcast have talked about this week. The Lions have the

916
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: easiest strength of schedule according to Sharp Football. Now you've

917
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 3: got Drew Petson coming in as the offensive coordinator. He

918
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 3: came from Arizona. He was received for the last two

919
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 3: years where Trey McBride had one hundred and forty seven

920
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: targets and one hundred and sixty nine in those years.

921
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 3: Sam Laporter twenty touchdowns in forty two regular season games,

922
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: multiple games of ninety plus yards last year. There just

923
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 3: aren't many tight ends who can give you that, like

924
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: give you the yardage and give you the touchdown total

925
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 3: obviously missed some time last year, but here the third

926
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 3: best catch rait, sixth and yards per game, fourth and

927
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 3: yards per out run, third and yards per target and

928
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 3: sixth and yards per reception. This Lion's offense just does

929
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 3: better when Sam Laporter's on the field. This over the

930
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 3: course of his career with the Lions, we've scored thirty

931
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 3: one point four points with him, twenty four point eight

932
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 3: without him. I just can't find a downside for Sam

933
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 3: Laporter outside of perhaps Jameson Williams can take away to ballmore.

934
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 4: But I really buy into him.

935
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: So you said you'd easily take him over Pitts and

936
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: Fan and that's tight end seven and tightened six respectively.

937
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: Laport's tight end eight.

938
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: What about the other guy in that tier at Tucker Craft,

939
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: who was awesome last year but coming off of his

940
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: own season ending injury.

941
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean anybody who's listened to the Best Ball

942
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 3: Show with myself and Andrew, Like last year we were

943
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: both heavily in on tuocker Craft and taking him every

944
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 3: single draft pretty much. I'm still massively in on Tucker Craft.

945
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 3: I think that took A Craft again, is one of

946
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: those guys who has the potential leap up and give

947
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 3: you tight end one overall outcomes. I don't think I

948
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: can take Sam Laporte ahead of Tucker Craft. But if

949
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 3: took A Craft missus a bunch of training camp, which

950
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 3: isn't necessarily something we're expecting at this point, it sounds

951
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 3: like he's well on his way to full health as well,

952
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: and then maybe I could see myself start to take a

953
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 3: little Laporter over him. But like, look, the Lions, uh

954
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 3: talk better not. It's the Lions are projected to the

955
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 3: most passing yards and the most passing touchdowns of any

956
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: team in the league, but nobody seems to be really

957
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 3: excited to draft anyone apart from a mom Rustling Brown

958
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 3: and Jamia Gibbs.

959
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: So Laporta, like I said, ranked eighth, sounds like you

960
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: maybe have him up about six if he's not getting

961
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: past Kraft for you, do you feel like similar question

962
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: to quarterback?

963
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: You know, would you rather be taking you.

964
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: Know, a Brock Bowers or Colston Loveland early and then

965
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: if you don't get them waiting for like you know,

966
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews at tight end fifteen chick or Concho a

967
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: tight end nineteen? Would you rather take that approach or

968
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: would you rather get one of these tier two guys

969
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: you obviously like Laporta. Do you like playing in this

970
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: sandbox for the tight end similar to the quarterbacks?

971
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean my guys so far this season. I

972
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 3: was looking through my most drafted guys last night and

973
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 3: it's Colston Loveland, it's took A Craft, and it's Sam

974
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 3: Lapau of evy three guys. So I typically I am

975
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 3: taking somebody relatively early. I like Isaiah likely if I

976
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: miss out on those guys because I think you know,

977
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 3: I just said, I don't want to buy into a

978
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 3: lot in New York. But I'm happy to buying to

979
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 3: Isaiah likely because I think he's going to start the

980
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 3: season strong. He's a chance to score a few touchdowns

981
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 3: nice and early in games which are going to be

982
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,919
Speaker 3: tricky for them. If they can find themselves in past

983
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 3: heavy environments, then perhaps he starts a season well. So

984
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 3: likely somebody I've been clicking a lot, obviously as a

985
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 3: Ravens fan, as a bit of ex Ravens bias, I

986
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 3: don't mind Mark Andrews. Pat's made some great points about

987
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 3: how prime he could be for a bounce back, and

988
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: really nobody else in Baltimore outside of Jay Flowers is

989
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 3: being projected for very much. Andrews has always been the

990
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: red zone option and Chigakong Quo obviously lots of fun.

991
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm kinda I'm very much happy if I

992
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 3: can leave one of Loveland's took A Craft or Sam Laporter.

993
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 4: In every draft.

994
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 2: I'm more in on Andrews than likely.

995
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: When thinking about that former Ravens tight end room, I

996
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: think another year removed from his you know broken leg

997
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: we have, there's just so much history of his chemistry

998
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: with Lamar Jackson. I think in a new offense, you know,

999
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: when stuff starts to break down, as the offense is

1000
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: sort of working through the rust, it will be very

1001
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: natural for Lamar to during scramble drills look for Mark

1002
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: Andrews and say this has been my guy my entire career.

1003
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: I also just expect a bounce back season from like

1004
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: a healthy Lamar and everything. So I think the touchdown

1005
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: opportunities will be there for Andrews, and I like, you know,

1006
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: Elijah Surratt, I like some of the Titans they drafted,

1007
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: but there's not a lot of certainty here. It's Zay

1008
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: Flowers and Mark Andrews and then maybe Brasha Bateman finally

1009
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: puts it all together. So I think any in any

1010
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: given drive from the Ravens where Derrick Henry is not

1011
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: the guy that's getting a touchdown, Mark Andrews is probably

1012
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: the best bet of everybody else on the team. So

1013
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 1: if you think it's going to be a successful offensive

1014
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: season for this team, I think there's gonna be a

1015
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: lot of touchdowns throwing Andrews's way. I don't know if

1016
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: the high yardage show will be there, But I love

1017
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: him as a guy who's going outside the top twelve.

1018
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: If you miss out on you know, the lovelens and

1019
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: crafts of the world.

1020
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we started saying we weren't going to

1021
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: talk any Ravens the end of this, like you go back.

1022
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 3: Lamar was bad in the red zone last year, but

1023
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 3: he had a sixty two percent pressure rate in the

1024
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 3: red zone, which was the highest.

1025
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 4: He had the highest.

1026
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 3: I think it was the second highest sack rate in

1027
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 3: the red zone because the offensive line just wasn't good

1028
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 3: down there, and there was also a high dropped pass

1029
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 3: rate in the red zone. If that variance bounces back

1030
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 3: to what we've seen previously, and I always feel like

1031
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 3: if you give Lamar an average offensive line, then you

1032
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 3: get MVP level play out of him. If you give

1033
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 3: him a terrible interior offensive line light last year, that's

1034
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 3: when things fall apart. So yeah, it's easy to buy

1035
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 3: back in on Mark Andrews.

1036
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, So we had to think that in

1037
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: of course, even though the segment about saying Laporta I

1038
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: BEFO were.

1039
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: Get out of here.

1040
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: Any just kind of final thoughts on how you approached

1041
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: like what is your overall philosophyl With last question on

1042
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: targeting players who you view through the lens of these

1043
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: are make or break guys. Do you find yourself generally

1044
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: leaning more towards I'm going just your pure upside. Do

1045
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 1: you find yourself leaning towards a different point the draft.

1046
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: I want to have some certainty here. You know, injuries

1047
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: and down seasons will find me naturally, So let me

1048
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: get some certain you know, things that I can sort

1049
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: of rely on and have a little confidence they're going

1050
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: to have at least have a high floor. Do you

1051
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: like to approach guys that you do see as make

1052
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: or break? What do you kind of think about targeting

1053
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: just these guys in general and not just any specific name.

1054
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, in general. I'm looking at situations, so like for

1055
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 3: Juggins one, like if there's a situation like that where

1056
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 3: I'm fating somebody because I think the backup is undervalued.

1057
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: Dylan Samson's not going in most twelve team drafts, but

1058
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: I'm going to pull him up. I'm going to make

1059
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 3: sure that I get I'm going to make sure that

1060
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 3: he's drafted because I don't want to be fighting it

1061
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 3: out on waivers. I think I'd like to stand on

1062
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 3: convictions for those late round players, but I aren't getting

1063
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 3: drafted to make sure I get them and I have

1064
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 3: them on my roster, And if you know what they

1065
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 3: don't work out, then you can roster churn in pretty quickly. Otherwise,

1066
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 3: it's kind of understanding you're scoring, setting how many roster

1067
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 3: spots you've got, how the league format is like in Bestball,

1068
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 3: And it's always a bigger justment for me because I'll

1069
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 3: draft hundreds of Best Ball teams in the offseason. When

1070
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 3: he gets to redraft, going right now is the time

1071
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 3: where I need to be mindful of what the floor

1072
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 3: is on this team. So if I've got a really

1073
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 3: high floor, like if I started this draft, say with

1074
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 3: a mom Ras Saint Brown, and then you get in

1075
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 3: like I don't know Drake London and Zay Flowers in

1076
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 3: my first three picks, then I've gone running back heavy

1077
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 3: for the rest of the draft. Is that a situation

1078
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 3: where Alec Pace suddenly makes sense to me? Yeah, I

1079
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 3: don't mind taking Alec pass because I don't need him

1080
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 3: early on in the season. If he starts hitting, then

1081
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 3: maybe one of these other guys gets injured, or maybe

1082
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 3: I can make a trade because people will start remembering

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Speaker 3: what he did last year. So it's always just kind

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Speaker 3: of like looking at the balance of a roster, looking

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Speaker 3: at the makeup of players and saying, what what does

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Speaker 3: it take for these guys to hit?

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Speaker 4: And what can I do if it does happen.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we'll go ahead and say goodbye from there.

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Speaker 1: Thanks everybody for checking out this episode on Make or

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Speaker 1: Break Players in your twenty twenty six drafts.

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Speaker 2: For Tom, I'm Ryan Warmley. Thanks for tuning in. Well,

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