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Speaker 1: Let there be long distance telecommunication. Paul KELBC manning down

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Speaker 1: it out to Indianapolis and the Combine where we find

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Speaker 1: and Danny Serek. Darren, how's it going out there? It's

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Speaker 1: The Jonathan Gannon and MANIASA. Ford talk today and that's

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Speaker 1: how you know for me the Combined is started. Is

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Speaker 1: from there. And Danny, they did confirm, did they not?

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Speaker 1: Just to make sure we're not joking around here. The

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Speaker 1: phone lines are most definitely open, whether it's a number

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Speaker 1: those topics came up for again and awesome for it,

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Speaker 1: and they both talked about how they're happy to have

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Speaker 1: So that, yes, their phone lines are open. He hasn't

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Speaker 1: late April. Where are you right now, Danny, Where exactly

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Speaker 1: the top defender on the board, and like Darren was saying,

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Speaker 1: somebody that you know, hopefully they feel could be a

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Speaker 1: piece to build this defense around for years to come.

431
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Speaker 1: And if the Cardinals feel like they can still get

432
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Speaker 1: those top of type of premium players a couple of

433
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Speaker 1: spots down and you can get some more draft capital,

434
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Speaker 1: that will likely be an option for them as well.

435
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised, I feel like, though, if the

436
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Speaker 1: Cardinals decide not to trade down, because you do have

437
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Speaker 1: this opportunity to get possibly like a game changer again

438
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Speaker 1: for years to come. So I think that really anything

439
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Speaker 1: is up in there at this point. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: that anything would surprise. It will be interesting because it's

441
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Speaker 1: this the first draft for awesome for it as a

442
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Speaker 1: journal manager, and of course with the Cardinals and what

443
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Speaker 1: this staff as a whole, not just the front office,

444
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Speaker 1: but with the scouts and the coaches. What it is

445
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: that they envision this team to become. I'm not sure

446
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: that they would have a set decision on what they

447
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 1: want to do, whether it's training back or picking quite yet.

448
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 1: I think you do have to look at this roster,

449
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Speaker 1: and you have to look at what pending free agents

450
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Speaker 1: you're going to bring back, if any. And I think

451
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Speaker 1: that it's probably too soon for them to have a

452
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Speaker 1: final idea on what it is they want to do

453
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Speaker 1: or who they want to pick, because, like we've talked about,

454
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Speaker 1: you have so many other players you have to figure

455
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Speaker 1: out on this roster. Well. And the other thing too, Paul,

456
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 1: for me is you don't know what the trade partner

457
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Speaker 1: might be. When we sit here and we talk about

458
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Speaker 1: trades in the draft and trading three, what does that mean?

459
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Speaker 1: I mean part of it is, oh, what kind of

460
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Speaker 1: haul might you be able to get? I get that,

461
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Speaker 1: but it also means who are we talking about? Like

462
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Speaker 1: when you mentioned earlier that the that kyper thing, the

463
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Speaker 1: Colts trade up and the Texans trade up, Well, then

464
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Speaker 1: who who's behind you that needs to move up again?

465
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Speaker 1: And where are they coming from? Because you might be

466
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Speaker 1: able to get a haul, but if you're going from

467
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Speaker 1: three to twelve or whatever it might be. I'm just

468
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Speaker 1: throwing numbers out there. Is that I mean, are you

469
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Speaker 1: going to get enough that it's worth dropping all that

470
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Speaker 1: way down? You know? And again, these are the things

471
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Speaker 1: that Montie austin Ford has to measure. Every GM has

472
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Speaker 1: to measure those kinds of things. And yeah, you need,

473
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Speaker 1: you need players. But at the same time, if you

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Speaker 1: if you believe by the time we get to the draft,

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Speaker 1: that Will Anderson, for instance, is a generational pass rusher

476
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Speaker 1: or even just a just a complete stud. And you

477
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Speaker 1: know you're looking at twelve or yeah, you might you're

478
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Speaker 1: going to get a solid player, but nowhere near that.

479
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Speaker 1: You better know what you're getting extra out of that

480
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Speaker 1: and that you're going to be able to turn that

481
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Speaker 1: into something. I agree, But you're going to have to

482
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Speaker 1: look at those those other teams if you're going to

483
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Speaker 1: trade down that and the positions they need. Right, are

484
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Speaker 1: there enough players high enough on your board to where,

485
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Speaker 1: like Darren was saying, that player, you would still be

486
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Speaker 1: happy enough with getting that player. And I think something

487
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Speaker 1: that's important to remember is that the Cardinals pick high

488
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Speaker 1: in every round. So the only you know, training back

489
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Speaker 1: that third overall pick is not the only way to

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Speaker 1: get draft capital. The Cardinals could make a trade for

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Speaker 1: rounds two or three. You can still get draft capital

492
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Speaker 1: later on in the drafting, and you know, still get

493
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Speaker 1: another pick later on in the round and kind of

494
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Speaker 1: maneuver things that way. So it doesn't just have to

495
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Speaker 1: be this third overall play, because again, the Cardinals have

496
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Speaker 1: high picks in every round, so that's not the only

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Speaker 1: way for them to kind of get more bang for

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Speaker 1: their buck. Valid points, absolutely, and to your points. For example,

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Speaker 1: if you're going to trade back and let's say you're

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Speaker 1: still within the top ten, top twelve, well, obviously Will

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Speaker 1: Anderson would be gone, Jalen Carter would be gone. Probably

502
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Speaker 1: Tyree Wilson will be gone from Texas Tech bought. There

503
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Speaker 1: are a couple of blue chip Clemson defensive lineman edge

504
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 1: rushers who might still be there. So if they're a

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Speaker 1: tick behind in terms of the evaluation of Will Anderson,

506
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Speaker 1: which might be a stretch, but if those guys are there,

507
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Speaker 1: because I tell you, you read mel Kiper's quick summary

508
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Speaker 1: on Will Anderson and I'll just read it real quick

509
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Speaker 1: because it's pretty powerful, it's pretty intriguing. It's a pretty

510
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Speaker 1: bold case to stay at number three. When mel Kiper

511
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Speaker 1: writes about Will Anderson, quote, he is a dominant and

512
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Speaker 1: complete edge rusher who might have been the number one

513
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: pick last April if he'd been eligible for the draft.

514
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: Doesn't take plays off, that's a ding, is versatile, plays

515
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Speaker 1: the run well, explosive off the line of scrimmage. Nick

516
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: Saban used him as a stand up outside linebacker as

517
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Speaker 1: a down defensive end, even at d tackle, where he

518
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: blowed up guards and centers at the snap end. Quote

519
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Speaker 1: on Will Anderson, So, I mean, if you have that

520
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Speaker 1: sort of a generational type player, you know, I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: It really is truly going to take a massive haul

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Speaker 1: to move out to number three if indeed Will Anderson

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Speaker 1: is available right there. But we'll see. Explain to me,

524
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Speaker 1: if he's that great, why the Bears wouldn't take him

525
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Speaker 1: at one good point? Absolutely, I totally agree. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're you're You're what's to keep a team from trading

527
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Speaker 1: up and taking Will Anderson. Forget the quarterback, right, if

528
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: it's all if this league is all about the quarterback

529
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Speaker 1: and getting to the quarterback, You're right, it's so we'll see,

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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. He's gonna compete at his pro day, correct,

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Speaker 1: Will Anderson, I believe, I believe. I believe he's not

532
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Speaker 1: doing a whole lot of Most of the top guys

533
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: aren't going to do a ton of stuff here in

534
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: terms of the physical stuff, so that doesn't necessarily surprise me. Yeah,

535
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, I'm sure he'll he'll max out

536
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Speaker 1: at his pro day whenever Alabama's pro day might look.

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Speaker 1: And just to wrap up this this line of thinking,

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Speaker 1: my point is that if Zach Wilson recently can get

539
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Speaker 1: drafted number two overall, if the Niners can trade three

540
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: first round picks and take Trey Lance number three overall, right,

541
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: I mean the Bears traded up to take Mitch Trubisky

542
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Speaker 1: number two ahead of Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson. We

543
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Speaker 1: all know that twenty years ago. I looked at up

544
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Speaker 1: real quick, just from twenty years ago. Yeah, that stretch

545
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Speaker 1: at number three overall, Achille Smith, Joey Harrington, he Schuler

546
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Speaker 1: Old than like a five year span between like ninety

547
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Speaker 1: nine and two thousand or so. There was a lot

548
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: of desperation and a lot of overdrafting and overreaching for

549
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: quarterbacks at number three. And that's my point is how

550
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: might that benefit the Arizona Cardinals. That's an unknown over

551
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: the next couple of months. But what I probably the

552
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: most meaningful thing I've read so far, guys is Darren,

553
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: was Monny's comment to you going into the combine easy

554
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Speaker 1: Cardinals dot Com. He had the quote about, yeah, we're

555
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: working with a collapse timeframe. This is your preview of

556
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: the combine, and he went on to say the on

557
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: field work, the testing, it's another piece of information, saying

558
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Speaker 1: that the medical is the most important, the interviews are

559
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: second most important. It's all boring to the fans, he said,

560
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't say any of the drills at the

561
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: combine are a driver of anything on how we make

562
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: our decisions. And to me, that's the best thing I've heard,

563
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: because it's not about the measurables. It's whether the guy

564
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: can play and whether the guy fits and so all

565
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: all this data that's going to be generated over the

566
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: next week here by the drills and everything else, that's great.

567
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: You put it on the card and then draft card. Okay,

568
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: but I think too many teams and the Cardinals might

569
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: have been guilty of this too, with some of their

570
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: first round flameouts relying too much on the measurables and

571
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: hopefully that's come to an end. Well, you know, again,

572
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 1: there's so much that goes into this, but you know,

573
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Speaker 1: I think it's you want to take guys that are

574
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: good football players, that have proven to be good football players,

575
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: and it's hard to ever believe that a guy is

576
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: going to be he's going to excel on the NFL

577
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: when he didn't excel previous. And it doesn't matter how

578
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: high he can jump or how fast he can run.

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00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, but we see that every year

580
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: and inevitably. I mean you mentioned Anthony Richardson. Anthony Richardson

581
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: did not look in college like he was going to

582
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Speaker 1: be a franchise quarterback. He looked like he had the

583
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: tools to do that, but he didn't look like he

584
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: would be. So the question is is does that win

585
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: over people as we go forward? It's it's really a

586
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: fascinating question. I will say too, just general consensus of

587
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: covering this league's the last couple of years and all

588
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: the scouts that I've talked to, it's the main chunk

589
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: of the analysis comes throughout the year and traveling to

590
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: schools and watching film on these players, like Darren was

591
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: saying the most important parts about the Combine is the

592
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: medicals being out here and those player interviews. Now you

593
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: can get a look at the fundamentals at the drills

594
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: that are run out here at the Combine, but this

595
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: would really just kind of solidify what they had seen

596
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: on film about these players. You know, these drills out

597
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: drowsing combine because obviously they're not you know, there's no

598
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: other variables coming into play of going up against somebody,

599
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: whether offense or defense and all of those things. So

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Speaker 1: the main part being on here is the medical and

601
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: I think that the big chunk of work when it

602
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: comes to evaluating a player is more so on the

603
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: film throughout their season and then those interviews. You know

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Speaker 1: that Moni had mentioned, You're right, Danny, he cited medical

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Speaker 1: number one than the interviews especially, And we talked a

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Speaker 1: little bit about this on the Red Sea Report. If

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Speaker 1: Dave Sears coming over from the Lions, and the Lions

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Speaker 1: from all accounts, when you listen to a Dan Campbell,

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Speaker 1: when you listen to a Chris Spielman, who's right up

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Speaker 1: there one of the decision makers in the Lions front office,

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00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: when you listen to them, they've spent the last couple

612
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: of years looking for a very specific type of mindset

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00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: within a player, and so I think these interviews are

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00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: going to be critical. Now, Darren, the question is, can

615
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: you drill down in what you're fifteen minute interview and

616
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: get past some of the conditioning from the agents right

617
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: to say all the right things and truly get into

618
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: the essence of the player and figure out how much

619
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Speaker 1: he does love the game and how vested he will

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Speaker 1: be in his NFL career. I guess that is the challenge. Ultimately.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget that the meeting at the Combine is not

622
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 1: the only time that they talk to these players. They

623
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: get a handful of visits from some guys at their facility.

624
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: There's some informal meetings that happen around here. You can

625
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: talk to a guy to pro day, But I mean,

626
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: are we ever are you going to have like three

627
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: hours with a guy to really ultimately break them down

628
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: And no, no, And you're still not going to know

629
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Speaker 1: until they're in the cauldron of the NFL. And what's

630
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: funny is is like, I don't even know if it's

631
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: necessarily something where you don't Sometimes I think you it's

632
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: something where you could tell ahead of time, But I

633
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: don't know if it's always the time. I mean, because

634
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: the reality is becoming an adult and going into your

635
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: first job, which in this case for these guys are

636
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: is professional football. That's a cauldron that that changes the

637
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: formula of a person sometimes and you might know the

638
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: person might be who exactly you think he is getting

639
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: in there, and then when you drop them into that cauldron,

640
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: it changes a guy. The chemistry changes, And so I

641
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: do think, you know, we overuse the cliche of the

642
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Speaker 1: inexact science, but I think ultimately, I think there's a

643
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: lot to that because in the end, I don't think

644
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: it's always you're always able to figure out what's what

645
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: ahead of time. I think you have to get into

646
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: it and sometimes it's going to mean a miss and

647
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: it stinks, but it's reality. That's also a big part

648
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: as to where you rely on your scouts and the

649
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: work that they are doing throughout the season, and the

650
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: trips they're making to schools and the relationships they have

651
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: formed with coaches at these different schools to really get

652
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: a better feel for the player as a person and

653
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: their work ethic and all of those types of questions.

654
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: And I think that's where you rely heavily on your

655
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: scouting department, is what they have gathered from the player

656
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: person as a whole. And then kind of like we

657
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: were just talking about, the combine, really just kind of

658
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: solidifying maybe that evaluation, answering any final questions, and I

659
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: think you get a good start and learning about the

660
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 1: person from that sense earlier on throughout the season from

661
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 1: your scouts, and then you can fill in any blinks

662
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: you have at those interviews here in Indy. Is there

663
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: a player or two that are really creating a buzz

664
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: that you think everyone is anxious to see? Are there

665
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: a couple obviously an Anthony richardson right, and maybe even

666
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: the quarterback group with a Will Levis is scheduled to

667
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: throw in a CJ. Strout from Ohio State. I'm just curious.

668
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: Are I don't know, Are there some Is there going

669
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 1: to be some must watch TV there for a certain

670
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: position group or player or two. Well, I do think

671
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: the quarterback thing is going to play into it, just

672
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: because of everything we've talked about it, because of what

673
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: happens at the top of the draft, how it can

674
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: change something. I'll be honest, we haven't really been here

675
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 1: enough to to get that sense yet, because players don't

676
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: get on the field until Thursday, and they don't start

677
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: talking to the media until tomorrow. And the bottom line

678
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: is today was all about existing NFL teams and coaches

679
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: and GM's talking. So the storylines were about that today.

680
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: I mean, today was a lot more about the Packers

681
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 1: basically coming out and saying, we still don't know what's

682
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: going to happen with Aaron Rodgers and that kind of thing.

683
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: Today was still about the team sand the Bears saying, yeah,

684
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: you know, we could still take a quarterback at number one.

685
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens, that kind of thing. I think

686
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 1: once you start getting deeper in the week, that's when

687
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: the players stuff starts coming up, and I think, again,

688
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: how much is that going to be impacted by what

689
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: happens on the field. Have enough of these teams managed

690
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: to stay away from that line of thinking? I guess

691
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: back of a better term, when you're you're getting wowed

692
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,479
Speaker 1: by measurables that you shouldn't be. I mean, we've seen

693
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson play, We've seen Bryce Young play with all

694
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: of these things, and and even in the case of

695
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: Bryce Young, like the one thing I have heard. I

696
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: feel like I've heard a little bit. Is again the

697
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: argument over Bryce Young his size. I mean, he's not

698
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: taller than Kyler Murray really and he's definitely not as thick.

699
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: He's more more like Devanta Smith. And so is that

700
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 1: a guy that you're going to be comfortable putting behind

701
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: center knowing that injuries happen. Ye? No, great point. And

702
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: then the other question that both Monnie and Jonathan Ginn

703
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: and God was about DeAndre Hopkins. So do we have

704
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: a sense Danny as to when we'll get an answer

705
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: on DeAndre Hopkins, not necessarily on when something will happen.

706
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: It does kind of feel like they are up to

707
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: the possibility of making a trade when it comes to Hopkins.

708
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that would be something that would

709
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: come before the draft and that would affect maybe some

710
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 1: pieces they need and what they're going to be focusing

711
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 1: on there. I would imagine you would wait a couple

712
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: weeks from now, because if that's the case, you're going

713
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: to want to see maybe what free agents are going

714
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: to hit the market and what options you might have

715
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: on that front. There's a chance that not nothing happens that,

716
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: especially not having Kyra Murray to start the season. You

717
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: probably want a top wide receiver like DeAndre Hopkins on

718
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: the field to make life a little easier for whatever

719
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: quarterback the Cardinals do end up starting next season with.

720
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 1: I really think that anything is possible when it comes

721
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: to Hopkins. But the vibe that I was getting from

722
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,479
Speaker 1: Gannon and Austin Fort at the podium on Tuesday, which

723
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: matches with what we had per prior to them talking

724
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: here at the Combine, is that they are open to

725
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 1: the possibility of trading Hopkins now awesome. Fort did confirm

726
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: that he had a talk with Hopkins and that he

727
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: felt it was productive, but that was really all we

728
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: got from him on the front of what those discussions entailed.

729
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: It was interesting to me, Paul One, that Austin Ford

730
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: mentioned that he talks about Hopkins and his representative, and

731
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: if we remember correctly, DeAndre when he signed his extension,

732
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: it was made very clear that DeAndre did it on

733
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: his own and he didn't have an agent. So I

734
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 1: thought that was kind of interesting. I'm gonna, I'm gonna,

735
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I think it's still wide open, and

736
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: I know they keep talking about we love to have

737
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: him around and everything. But I've been doing this for

738
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: a long time, and it just feels if you're if

739
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: you're going to keep a guy, or if you thinking

740
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: that's still a really strong possibility, I feel like you're

741
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: a little stronger with talking about him potentially staying. Then

742
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, which was what Gannon's first words out

743
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: of his mouth when it was asked if DeAndre Hopkins

744
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: was going to be around this season for the Cardinals.

745
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: He said, I'm not sure now. It's it's honest, and

746
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: I do think. I do think, like Danny said, I

747
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: do think everything is on the table right now, but

748
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: it's certainly not It's certainly not like, oh, he's going

749
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: to be here, we want this guy here. I mean,

750
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: how many times, Paul, have we heard somebody say, well,

751
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: we want this guy here and then they move it

752
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: later and all things changed, you know. But I it's

753
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: I don't feel like it's ever the other way where

754
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: you're wishy washy and then and then later the person

755
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: ends up staying and it's like, oh, yeah, we always

756
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: thought he was going to stay, you know. It just

757
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: never feels that way. Totally agree, and that, combined with

758
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: the previous last time that Jonathan Gannon met the media

759
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: during the coordinator press conferences. He said he had yet

760
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: to talk to DeAndre Hopkins at that point. I thought

761
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: that was telling in a way because he was definitely

762
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: going to stay. I would figure there would have been

763
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: a conversation. So there's at least going to be some

764
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: serious discussions, I would guess. And best case scenario, MANI

765
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: a savor walks out of Indianapolis and gets on a

766
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: flight back to the AC and he had serious inquiries

767
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: from like the Browns. You know, all the Browns fans

768
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: want to reunite. You know, d hop with Deshaun Watson.

769
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: A Giants team that is it was pretty competitive this year, right,

770
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: but was short on receiving talent and just got rid

771
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: of Galaday. You know, whether it's a New England, the

772
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: affinity Belichick and DeAndre Hopkins. I know Bill O'Brien is

773
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: back in New England and that probably precludes it. I

774
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: mean even a Cowboys team now that's lamenting. You know

775
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: their receiver room and after getting rid of Amari Cooper

776
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: and Jerry Jones, now, last thing you want to do

777
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: is lose a trade to the Cowboys. I get it,

778
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: But there are teams out there I think are interested,

779
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: and I was just going to throw in there. I

780
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: didn't mean to step on you there, but it's tough

781
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: to see when you're gonna finish when I'm in Indianapolis

782
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: and you're in Phoenix. So I gotta admit that one.

783
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: But I will say that like. It's also notable that

784
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: Joel Corey, a former agent who writes for CBS sports

785
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: dot Com, now noted that while DeAndre Hopkins signed a

786
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: contract that had a no trade clause, the no trade

787
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: clause was avoided when he got suspended, So all of

788
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: a sudden, the Cardinals have a little bit more leeway

789
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: in terms of where they might be able to send him.

790
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: Now there's things involved there. If DeAndre says, well, I

791
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: want to contract extension with somebody when I go there,

792
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: Otherwise I'm not I'm not going to want to stick around,

793
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna be a prom or whatever. I mean,

794
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: that could be a thing. But I do think the

795
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: Cardinals have some options there, and you just laid out

796
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: a number of them that would make some sense. Well.

797
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: And two again, if you decide to make this decision

798
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: sooner rather than later, and you have an idea of

799
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: the free agency that are going to hit the market.

800
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: That could play a role into what you are asking

801
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: for and what you're receiving in this trade, or if

802
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: you're going to get a couple more draft picks, and

803
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: then the Cardinals might not feel the need to maybe

804
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: trade back from that third overall spot because they're going

805
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: to get more draft capital from a trade with Hopkins.

806
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: So again, this could lead to other possibilities, So it

807
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: really wouldn't surprise me. I guess if you're going to

808
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: do that move, you would wait for free agency to

809
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: begin and then maybe make that trade and see how

810
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 1: that can help you in the draft, No doubt, and

811
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: I think there will be a pursuit of DeAndre Hopkins.

812
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: I think there's enough out there in terms of what

813
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: number one receivers have done to complete an offense and

814
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: Rory propel a contender to that next level that I

815
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: think there will be enough intrigue and interest. So the

816
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: question is what can you make the trade for, and

817
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: then you have to weigh the cost benefit ratio, etc.

818
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: So it's interesting. I also thought it was interesting too.

819
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: Ran Carthon met the media the new Titans GM coming

820
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: over from the forty nine ers, and they asked about

821
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: his philosophy for team building. I'm just gonna read the quote.

822
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: This is Ran Carthon, new GM of the Titans, his

823
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: philosophy building a team. Quote, it's cute and sexy to

824
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: play Golden State Warriors football in September and October when

825
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: the weather is good, but the teams are playing in January,

826
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: play tough defense and run the football end quote. I

827
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: just I saw that quote, and I think I think,

828
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: I surmise Darren, it does apply, I think to the

829
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: direction the Cardinals are going to go and as opposed

830
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: to the Golden State Warriors brand of football, where we're

831
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: going to spread the field and we're gonna run that

832
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: sort of offense. I would say, the new iteration of

833
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 1: this Arizona Cardinals team and where it's going. It feels

834
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: like that's the direction what Ran Carthon just said to

835
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: the media. Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't foresee

836
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: Monty awesome Fort having such a sexy quote like that

837
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: like Rand Carthon did, But I would agree with you.

838
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: I think talking to both Gannon and awesome Fort the

839
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: number of times that I've had and knowing where awesome

840
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: for it comes from which is Tennessee in New England.

841
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: I do think that that's kind of the thought process

842
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: that they want to get to, and let's face it,

843
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: in some ways that helps you a little bit in

844
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: terms of I do feel like there are ways to

845
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: build your team quick or in that style than perhaps

846
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: other style way. You need some magnificent skill players to

847
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: make it work all the time. Any other talk Danny

848
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: had either presscommers about some of the pending free agents,

849
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's the offensive line of Calvin Beecham

850
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: and Will Hernandez. You know. Obviously Zach Allen Byron Murphy

851
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: was asked by the media any other names of veterans

852
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons to both the head coach and the GM,

853
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: but any other names that were prominent they were asked

854
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: by the media in regards to the Cardinal's future. No,

855
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: those are really the main ones. Was Zach Allen and

856
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: Buyer Murphy as penning free agents and talking about Isaiah Simmons.

857
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: Of course, Kyler Murray was brought up to both game

858
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: and an awesome for it. It was what we have

859
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: heard up until this point, which is that Kyler Murray

860
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: is attacking his rehabiting or happy with where he's at

861
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: right now. There is no timetable for his return. They

862
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: just want to make sure that he is healthy and

863
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: feeling good and confident to that when he does return,

864
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: he feels his best and he can still be a

865
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: threat with those legs. So nothing knew on that front,

866
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: but that was the only other player that they were

867
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: each asked about, but again reiterated that they are happy

868
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: with the work ethic that Kyler Murray has been putting

869
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: into that rehab. They're happy with where he's at right

870
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: now in that process. It's just about making sure that

871
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: he is taking his time in the sense that he

872
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: will feel ready to go when it's time for him

873
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: to come back. Anybody go with Darren the question about

874
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 1: the veteran quarterback then inevitably is going to be added

875
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 1: to this roster now, especially in light of some injury

876
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: news on Cole McCoy. Anybody throughout there like, oh, I

877
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: don't know, Marcus Mariota was released this morning. Coach, what

878
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: do you think about the former Falcons quarterback? You know,

879
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: it's funny there was no names were wrought up. Let's

880
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: put it that way. No names were brought up. They

881
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: didn't they didn't commit necessarily to adding a veteran quarterback.

882
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 1: Now monti as and Ford did say, look, it always

883
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: makes sense to add competition there at quarterback, but he

884
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: then added that goes for every position, and then kind

885
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: of took the steam out of whatever comment he might

886
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: have been making of the quarterback. If you're just going

887
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: to go and say every position is like that, but

888
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it's an absolute lock they

889
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: add a veteran quarterback. You would think they would, but

890
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how that's going to work. I'm curious

891
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: to know what they do with Colt McCoy, Like, if

892
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: Colt McCoy they decide, yes, we want Colt McCoy here,

893
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: and he's our guy. Okay, I'm assuming Kyler Murray might

894
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: just end up on the Physically unable to Perform list

895
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 1: to start the season, but we're gonna have to see

896
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: on his timeline because if you do, if you have

897
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: him on the PUP list, that means he misses at

898
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: least the first six games, and that's a significant chunk. Now,

899
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: you might be willing to make that jump, but if

900
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: you don't want him to miss six games, then you

901
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 1: have to have him on the roster. Then you're almost

902
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: guaranteed that you're going to have to have another veteran

903
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: quarterback because you can't afford to be taking up you

904
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: can I don't think you can afford to take Barasch

905
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: spot with Colt and somebody completely untested. So this, to

906
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: me is going to be one of the more fascinating things,

907
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: and I do think the timeline of Kyler Murray is

908
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: going to impact that and how it plays out and

909
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: how big of a jump do you want to make

910
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,919
Speaker 1: with that veteran quarterback. I mean again, the other thing

911
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: is is if are you are you going to basically

912
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: leap frog Colt McCoy as your starter to bring in

913
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: somebody else, or are you bringing in just another body

914
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: and then somebody to again compete with Colt McCoy and

915
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: may the best man win, but it's not necessarily somebody

916
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: you're bringing in who will absolutely start. I think that's

917
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: one of the more fascinating storyline to the offseason, given

918
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's situation. By the way, the name I've been

919
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: thrown out there, as you guys know for many weeks now,

920
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: was shot down and resounding fashion by our Drew Stanton

921
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: last Friday, on a special edition of The Red Sea Report,

922
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: the thirteen year NFL veteran quarterback former Cardinals QB I

923
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: brought up Jacoby Brissett, and he said, Paul Jacoby Brissette

924
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: had a good enough season for Cleveland, He's gonna get

925
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: big enough money that it wouldn't be a good fit

926
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: for the role that he would be playing with the Cardinals.

927
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: Not to mention he's going to get a lot of

928
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: interest from his former gim, Nick Asserio in Houston, who's

929
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: in desper need of a quarterback, and or Josh McDaniels

930
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: in Vegas is former coach in New England. So according

931
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: to Drew, we can just crossed Jacoby Brissette off that list.

932
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: So and by the way, in case in case you're

933
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: wondering the working list, because I've added a few names

934
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: to it. You guys ready for this? Here we go. Okay,

935
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: we'll throw out Brissette, Andy Dalton, Sam Darnold, Mike White,

936
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, Teddy Bridgewater, Gardner, Minshew Mariota, Tyler, Taylor, Heineke,

937
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: Jared Stidham, Carson Wentz, case Keenum, Chase Daniel, and we're

938
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: not including Derek Carror, Jimmy G's a Again, it's a

939
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: fascinating list of quarterbacks out there, but there's a lot

940
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: of teams that deep quarterbacks. Yep. And again you're gonna

941
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: have to convince somebody to come here and say, well,

942
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: we want you to play, but you're going to what

943
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: we either want you to play or compete with Cole

944
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: McCoy to play. And then when Kyler Murray's healthy, you're

945
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: going to be on the bench anyway. So that's going

946
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: to take some guys out of the possibility if they've

947
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: got a chance to start all seasons somewhere else. All right,

948
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: So it's quitting time for you guys in Indianapolis. What's next, Danny?

949
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 1: What's on the docket tonight? You know, you know who's

950
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,959
Speaker 1: handling the social after work hours event calendar. What's what's

951
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: lined up? It's been a group effort. We ended up

952
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: teamwork at its best right. Yes, other Cardinals employees and

953
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: I did some a little different than Darren last night,

954
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: but we didn't make sure to meet up at one

955
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: of our local favorite local spots out here, so I'm

956
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: sure we will do the same tonight. We've got our

957
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: big dinner at the famous Saint Elmo's Steakhouse tomorrow evening,

958
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: which I'm excited about. Darren's looking at me, so I'm

959
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: not sure what he wants to add, but i will

960
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: say Darren's fun for those of you, For those listeners

961
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: who might think that Darren is not fun, Aaron was

962
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: a fun It could be a great time when we're out.

963
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: I will I will vous for him on that. That

964
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: was a pretty backhanded compliment there. For what funny is

965
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: Danny said, we did something different last night. We didn't

966
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: do anything different, We just didn't go together. It turned

967
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: out we ended up going to the same restaurant. We

968
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: just happened to be there at different now. We didn't

969
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: know that, but we actually went to the same restaurant.

970
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: So it's good. That's good. So according to Danny, it's

971
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: the first Scoutter report filed at the Combine twenty twenty

972
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: three that Darren urban actually belies his Scoutter report from

973
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: years past and in truth is actually fun in person.

974
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying, Danny? Did I hear that right? Yes,

975
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: that is what I'm saying, Darren. Darren has been fun

976
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: so far, so I'm excited for the restaurants. You have

977
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: a few more people from our team joining us here tonight,

978
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: so it should be a good time. And I do

979
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: want to mention real quick Paul to the listeners. We've

980
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 1: actually had a few listeners which thank you for listening.

981
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: You who have in the last week or so made

982
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: a comment about the Paul Binga that we haven't playing

983
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: started the year, whether that's been reviews, whether that's been

984
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: through the mailback. So we do appreciate that people are

985
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: enjoying us. Darren and I did not bring our Bingo

986
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: cards out to Endo. We both had bingo, which is

987
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: how we ended last week's podcast. So we need to

988
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: make a new board. But I will say we have

989
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: been having requests for people who have maybe wanting to

990
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: be to be joining us along from home and playing

991
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: with us. So we are working through the logistics about

992
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: making that possible for those of you who are interested

993
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: in playing Paul Bingo with us. It wouldn't be possible

994
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: without Paul KELVC just everybody. Some are enjoying the feedback

995
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: on the bingo. Some are enjoying the feedback on the

996
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: Bingo card more than others. Let's just clarify that, Okay,

997
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: and with you guys being at the Combine, No, we

998
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to get around a cryptocurrency or bitcoin,

999
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: so you can take that off the stink of bingo

1000
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: card right about now. You know what I think we

1001
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: should have We should have walked it off with Darren's

1002
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: comment about he's actually more fun in person and on

1003
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: the road than people might expect. Let's leave it right

1004
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: there for this road trip edition from the Combine. Twenty

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