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Speaker 1: Welcome to Playmakers. I'm Haley Ellwood and today my guest

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Speaker 1: is Angela Lichica. Angela is the president and CEO of

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Speaker 1: Lichica Sports and she also serves as the managing director

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Speaker 1: of the Player's Coalition. So, Angela, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for coming on, Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to be here. I know we were just

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Speaker 1: talking off camera. This is like the magic of Playmakers

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Speaker 1: because earlier this season I have Tracy Odie Blunt from

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Speaker 1: the NFL on we finish, and instantly after the conversation,

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Speaker 1: She's like, you know what you need to connect with

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Speaker 1: You need to connect with Angela because obviously so much

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty has happened, and there's so many conversations

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Speaker 1: So you created Lichica Sports in two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 1: You have over two decades experience in sports, media philanthropy.

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Speaker 1: Why did you choose to create Lichika Sports? I, like

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Speaker 1: you had mentioned, you know, I've been in sports my

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Speaker 1: whole career, and I had always known that I wanted

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Speaker 1: for me to not only be able to diversify outside

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Speaker 1: of just you know, one sport work in front office,

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Speaker 1: but also to be able to conduct business the way

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Speaker 1: I thought it should be conducted. Our industry could be

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Speaker 1: for me to be able to maintain my moral integrity

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Speaker 1: as I continued. And then secondly, in something that I'm

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Speaker 1: the most proud of is that where women led organization,

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Speaker 1: there's eleven us. And when I was coming up, you know,

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Speaker 1: I had a job with Santego Statement's basketball team where

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Speaker 1: Coach Fisher sat me down and said, I cannot have

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Speaker 1: you here as a female. And I couldn't understand that,

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Speaker 1: and I beg begged him, and to think about that

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Speaker 1: for me to be able to have an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: And one of the things I'm most proud of. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you led me into my second question, which was going

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Speaker 1: to be about that that stew Fisher conversation. Though, that

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Speaker 1: how special is it for you to have created that

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Speaker 1: tell Coach Fisher all the time, you know that his

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Speaker 1: decision and his leap of faith in me changed the

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Speaker 1: trajectory of my career. So that was over twenty years

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Speaker 1: But what that ended up doing and my time at

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Speaker 1: San Diego State traveling with the team, being in the

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Speaker 1: and maintaining my professionalism. That then opened the door for

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Speaker 1: Chargers at the time, and that allowed me to have

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Speaker 1: Because of my experience with Coach Fisher, I was able

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Speaker 1: So without Coach Fisher, you know, I give him so

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Speaker 1: much credit and trust in me and I. You know,

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Speaker 1: talk about that trickle down effect. Because I started with

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Speaker 1: the Chargers in twenty fourteen. I initially was a part

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Speaker 1: thank you for that, for the opportunity that you initially had,

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Speaker 1: because that's it. It's it's set that set the tone

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Yeah, and Bill Johnston, you know, when

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Speaker 1: And I was horrified because I that that little complaint,

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Speaker 1: I was fortunate that Bill had my back in that

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Speaker 1: If you don't mind me saying that, it was a

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Speaker 1: male dominated. I'm so happy you said that because one

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Speaker 1: I ask you a question, yes, absolutely, were you when

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Speaker 1: The Player's Coalition is an independent organization of professional athletes

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Speaker 1: who are dedicated to impacting criminal justice reform, police community relations, education,

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Speaker 1: it is an NFL program. And it started though back

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Speaker 1: safe platform to be progressive and aggressive on issues that

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Speaker 1: matter to them with a lot of education and knowledge

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Speaker 1: and hoping we maximize their impact while really minimizing your time. Well,

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Speaker 1: we greatly look forward to that progressive and aggressive I

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Speaker 1: love that. Thank you so much for sharing everything that

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Speaker 1: you do with Lichica and also with the Player's Coalition.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, these are conversations that are going to continue,

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Speaker 1: but to be able to have them is something that's

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Speaker 1: really important to me, and i'd so thank you for

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Speaker 1: coming on. Oh, thank you so much. We really appreciate

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Speaker 1: the support