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Speaker 2: Day, stat of the day, poll question, all of that forthcoming.
Speaker 2: Sean Salisbury, our good buddy, former NFL quarterback and of
Speaker 2: course quarterback at USC. Oh, we've got some things to
Speaker 2: talk about with USC, don't we.
Speaker 4: Also?
Speaker 2: Bill plashk La Times columnist, Around the Horn contributor. He
Speaker 2: had some things to say about USC football tonight. Diamondbacks
Speaker 2: at the Phillies, Rangers at the Astros, and the forty
Speaker 2: nine ers at the Vikings Seeton. What's pole question? We're
Speaker 2: going to start out with first hour, worst loss of.
Speaker 5: The weekend, Dan, Okay, Yeah, here we go. Yeah you
Speaker 5: want to start. Yeah, we're going to mix up college
Speaker 5: in the NFL. Here, all right, let's start with an
Speaker 5: easy one. Bill's lose twenty nine to twenty five to
Speaker 5: the Patriots.
Speaker 4: That is a terrible loss. Yeah, but it was predicted
Speaker 4: on this show. Still a terrible loss. Yeah. I saw
Speaker 4: it coming. I don't know if anybody else did.
Speaker 2: But that's how I told you all Friday that's going
Speaker 2: to happen.
Speaker 5: This is actually the pole question. Things Dan told us
Speaker 5: on Friday. Yes, USC losing the Utah you told us
Speaker 5: on Friday that was going.
Speaker 2: To I said, they're rebuilding that that is not a
Speaker 2: good football team prior to that loss.
Speaker 4: So let me go back to the Bills.
Speaker 2: I know they've lost defensive players, defensive starters, really good
Speaker 2: defensive players. But offensively, you know, that's where the offense
Speaker 2: has to pick up the slack. You're playing New England.
Speaker 2: You should be able to beat New England. You're eight
Speaker 2: and a half point favorites. Granted it's on the road.
Speaker 2: And while I want to give credit to Mac Jones
Speaker 2: and the Patriots Bill Belichick's three hundredth win, this is
Speaker 2: about Buffalo because now we're kind of getting into that
Speaker 2: area of like who's real is Buffalo is Miami reel?
Speaker 2: You know, we look at the AFC East and we go,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh. You know, there's gonna be three teams
Speaker 2: that will be playoff worthy there, and that's including the Jets.
Speaker 2: But that was before Rogers got hurt. They're probably still
Speaker 2: better than the Patriots. But then I don't know how
Speaker 2: good Buffalo is. And I'm going to base a little
Speaker 2: bit of this on that defense is not fully assembled.
Speaker 2: But offensively, this is where Josh Allen, you know, be
Speaker 2: a great quarterback. And then Miami last night. Miami's fun
Speaker 2: to watch. They haven't beaten anybody. They played some good
Speaker 2: teams and they get beat Now they're missing a couple
Speaker 2: of defensive backs. I get that, but I have no idea,
Speaker 2: and we don't have a great team. There's not a
Speaker 2: great team in football college over the NFL. They're good.
Speaker 2: I mean, Chiefs are good, Philadelphia good, maybe really good.
Speaker 2: What if the Niners lose to the Vikings tonight, I
Speaker 2: don't know, throw it out there. No, when Kirk Cousins
Speaker 2: is Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 5: Is that the craziest thought, just saying, Uh.
Speaker 4: Give me some of the other losses worst losses.
Speaker 5: Well, I'll give you the other NFL worst loss Lions
Speaker 5: thirty eight six to the Ravens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all that goodwill that was built up. Hey, Jared
Speaker 2: Goff deserves to be an MVP candidate. Like, that's what's amazing.
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell team, and they didn't put up a fight.
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson looked wonderful, And that's one of those reminders.
Speaker 2: I still think that's a dark horse super Bowl team,
Speaker 2: I really do. And that division like when the Bengals
Speaker 2: are probably considered the worst team in the division. And
Speaker 2: they's still a good team. You know, Brown's are good,
Speaker 2: although we'll talk about the Deshaun Watson situation, which is
Speaker 2: still baffling. And then the Steelers. The Steelers are there.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're good, but they're there. And
Speaker 2: then you had the Ravens, who have that capability of
Speaker 2: beat you know when you out physical a physical team.
Speaker 2: I mean that says a lot about both of them.
Speaker 2: I mean the Lions. It's like, wait a minute, all
Speaker 2: this goodwill, you guys are the story Jared Goff playing great,
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell Coach of the Year.
Speaker 4: It's all there.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's all there until it disappeared.
Speaker 5: Is it all gone?
Speaker 4: They're gonna have to build back my trust? Are we
Speaker 4: saying that it's now all completely gone? Bounce of good will? No,
Speaker 4: not all of it.
Speaker 2: But they've got to earn my love back. They got
Speaker 2: to take me out on some dates. They you know this,
Speaker 2: this has to be. They got a romance me, some flowers,
Speaker 2: some chocolates. You know, it's by they're five and two.
Speaker 5: Somehow, it's very different than the Ravens five and two today, because.
Speaker 4: The Ravens beat them to make them five and two.
Speaker 4: Are the Dolphins five and two. It's very different, yes,
Speaker 4: because they haven't beaten anybody. What else?
Speaker 5: Uh, let's see we got so we didn't really spend
Speaker 5: much time talking USC losing to Utah.
Speaker 4: That's not great.
Speaker 2: No, it's not And man, oh man La is coming
Speaker 2: at USC. They're coming at Lincoln Riley. Caleb Williams looked
Speaker 2: like he had checked out. He was sitting on the
Speaker 2: bent like not even fired up. Final drive, Get up,
Speaker 2: let's go be involved. He's probably thinking, I got that
Speaker 2: Wendy's commercial. I gotta shoot on Monday. I gotta remember
Speaker 2: by lie.
Speaker 4: Oh what happened? Oh they kicked a field? Oh darn it?
Speaker 4: And then they're not made available.
Speaker 2: They don't talk after the game, like come on, Usually
Speaker 2: you have offensive player, defensive player, coach and the quarterback.
Speaker 4: That's your standard procedure there. Yeah.
Speaker 5: See, why do you think it is that he didn't
Speaker 5: let the player speak?
Speaker 4: I don't have no idea. I have no idea.
Speaker 5: Is it like to protect themselves from themselves?
Speaker 4: Is it to protect him from them? Is it? What
Speaker 4: do you think it? I didn't go check check.
Speaker 2: I don't know what Caleb Williams is going to say.
Speaker 2: It just feels like there's more to what's going on there.
Speaker 2: And you know that when I brought this up preseason
Speaker 2: about maybe they're a package deal. If you said to
Speaker 2: USC fans today, hey, Lincoln Riley and Caleb when they
Speaker 2: leave good he has the same record as Clay Helton
Speaker 2: did after twenty two games, seventeen to five.
Speaker 4: Now stead of a day, stall of a day, stat
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Speaker 2: odds to win the Heisman? Where do you think Caleb
Speaker 2: Williams is in the top five? If you said he's
Speaker 2: not there, you'd be correct. Yes, JJ McCarthy of Michigan,
Speaker 2: Michael Pennix Junior, the third, Jaden Daniels, Jordan Travis, Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 4: That's it. That's according to DraftKings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll talk to Plashki about this and Sean Salisbury
Speaker 2: And it was out on social media. Could you see
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams not playing the rest of the season to
Speaker 2: have himself get ready for the draft, And I was like, Wow,
Speaker 2: I don't know what that says to GMS owners coaches
Speaker 2: in the NFL, Nick Bosa did it, but you know
Speaker 2: he had a stomach and abdominal injury that was real.
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams doesn't have any injury that I know of,
Speaker 2: but I and maybe that's so far down the line
Speaker 2: that people are speculating that, But I have no idea.
Speaker 2: Haven't spoken to Caleb Williams before. By the way, if
Speaker 2: you're an Oklahoma fan, do you feel today, You're like,
Speaker 2: we lost our coach, we lost our quarterback, We're undefeated,
Speaker 2: We're uh, we're doing okay there.
Speaker 5: Hey, I said this is gonna be the best thing
Speaker 5: to happen to us. I said, best thing that's gonna
Speaker 5: ever happen to us. Yeah, getting rid of those guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you got uh, you got what eight more
Speaker 2: years of Lincoln Riley? How long is that contracts? A
Speaker 2: like a John Gruden ten year, one hundred million dollars deal?
Speaker 2: All right, what else do you have?
Speaker 4: Their seat?
Speaker 2: No counter?
Speaker 5: We got a couple more losses that were doozies, okay, Uh,
Speaker 5: North Carolina thirty one twenty seven to Virginia. Virginia I
Speaker 5: think was one in five going into that game. That's
Speaker 5: about as bad a loss as you could have.
Speaker 4: Yes it is. That is, Yes it is.
Speaker 2: And that's one of those where you're watching, you're going, right, hey, guys,
Speaker 2: come on, let's go get it together.
Speaker 4: Than they didn't.
Speaker 6: Yes, Marv, this feels like one of those those losses.
Speaker 6: Even next year when the playoffs are expanded that North
Speaker 6: Carolina wouldn't get in because they lost to a one
Speaker 6: in five Virginia team.
Speaker 4: We're gonna hold it against them, yes, Todd.
Speaker 2: That's what happens when you take a cavalier approach and
Speaker 2: you think you're gonna win.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Tod, Thank you? What else do you have?
Speaker 5: Some Why are they all bad losses and not good wins?
Speaker 5: We have the lie I know, we did, the Liones.
Speaker 5: We have Michigan State good Grete forty nine. Nothing that is, you.
Speaker 2: Know, a couple of years ago, a little brother. Indeed,
Speaker 2: this wouldn't have happened. Like Michigan State was competitive, and
Speaker 2: it felt like always competitive, even the first two years
Speaker 2: of Mel Tucker, uh Mark D'Antonio, it always felt like, Okay,
Speaker 2: they're they're kind of spirited, they're sneaky good. They always
Speaker 2: get a you know, a couple of good running backs
Speaker 2: there in the pros.
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden there was nothing there.
Speaker 7: Yes, in twenty twenty one, Michigan State was eleven and two.
Speaker 7: That's two seasons ago, you know, five, six, seven years ago.
Speaker 7: I'm the marked Tonio years thirteen wins, eleven twelve, they'd
Speaker 7: beat Michigan here and there. They were always like competitive,
Speaker 7: that's a no show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, any other bad losses seating.
Speaker 5: Those are the ones we're going with. I'm sure there
Speaker 5: were others, but those seemed to.
Speaker 4: Be the baddest of the bad.
Speaker 2: But USC loses to Utah at home with Utah with
Speaker 2: a backup quarterback. And I know that they got a
Speaker 2: lot of kids, good kids from at least you know,
Speaker 2: they were recognized in the transfer portal, but I don't
Speaker 2: know if they got any of them them on defense.
Speaker 2: You just going where where's the defense here? Let's see
Speaker 2: anything else that needs to be mentioned here. Ohio State
Speaker 2: over Penn State. It just feels like Penn State has
Speaker 2: a ceiling, like they're like, okay, hey, nine or ten
Speaker 2: wins bowl game, Okay, but you just don't put them
Speaker 2: in there with Ohio State and Michigan that they're like
Speaker 2: a light heavyweight.
Speaker 4: They're not a heavyweight. They're a light heavy Yes, Mark.
Speaker 6: They feel like on the same level as North Carolina.
Speaker 6: Where that one loss, all right, and that's saying something
Speaker 6: because it's Penn State. But now like oh they Ohio
Speaker 6: State's one loss in Penn State's one loss means something
Speaker 6: different because we think Ohio State can play with the
Speaker 6: Georgia in Alabama. We don't think that Penn State can
Speaker 6: play with those big.
Speaker 2: Dogs, Okay, but that it's almost worthy of against the
Speaker 2: grain type.
Speaker 4: There you go. I like it, Marv calling out Penn State.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Yes.
Speaker 2: Eight seven seven three DP show operator Tyler standing by
Speaker 2: best and worst of the weekend. What you saw that
Speaker 2: you liked you didn't like, And we'll settle on a
Speaker 2: poll question here.
Speaker 4: Sean Salisbury will join us.
Speaker 2: Coming up, and baseball Diamondbacks at the Phillies and Rangers
Speaker 2: at the Astro is forcing a game seven. The road
Speaker 2: team has won every game in that series. And then
Speaker 2: you got the Niners at the Vikings. What are the
Speaker 2: Niners favored? Let me see, Let's let me see if
Speaker 2: I can guess them.
Speaker 7: We're gonna play guess a line.
Speaker 4: Guess the line forty nine ers are.
Speaker 7: Five and one at the Vikings, who are two and four.
Speaker 4: The line is, I'm gonna say six and a half.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna give it to you. It's seven San Francisco
Speaker 7: by seven. You'll probably get it six and a half somewhere, Okay,
Speaker 7: you always can, Yeah, okay, yes, Tom?
Speaker 2: Do you have factor in the Kirk Cousins not well
Speaker 2: in primetime games?
Speaker 8: Do you add a couple of points to that?
Speaker 6: Do you? Would you make them like eight and a
Speaker 6: half point favorite?
Speaker 2: Maybe they did, Maybe they did, I don't know, six
Speaker 2: and a half. This is where Kirk Cousins is Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2: No Devo Samuel playing tonight. I guess Christian McCaffrey is
Speaker 2: expected to play. Yeah, see that's not good. The fact
Speaker 2: that Devo's not playing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you want him on the field. Thank you?
Speaker 4: Back after this?
Speaker 7: Will you leave McCaffrey on the bench until you're losing
Speaker 7: one of those things you rest him until you need them?
Speaker 4: I don't know that point favorite, awfully dismissive.
Speaker 2: And I'm still trying to figure out what happened with
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson because I didn't I wasn't watching the game
Speaker 2: when he got hurt.
Speaker 4: He was thrown to the ground. He snapped his.
Speaker 2: Head off the turf and I thought, okay, he's got
Speaker 2: a concussion. Then they said he was medically cleared to play,
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking okay, And then they said that they
Speaker 2: were going to sit him, and then I saw where
Speaker 2: it was. It was phrased and framed he was benched,
Speaker 2: and I go wait was he was? He benched because
Speaker 2: he was playing poorly his shoulder, his head. And then
Speaker 2: DeShawn talked about it after the win against the Colts.
Speaker 9: I want to go out there and try to have
Speaker 9: a team as much as possible and go out there
Speaker 9: and play and the perform at your pee. But the
Speaker 9: decision was was best for, you know, the team, and
Speaker 9: they thought that was the best. And you know Pja
Speaker 9: did a great job of finishing the game and everyone
Speaker 9: else played having the job to get the win.
Speaker 4: Okay, something's going on there now.
Speaker 2: The coaches didn't want him to play, and then the
Speaker 2: coaches what two weeks ago said that DeShawn wasn't ready
Speaker 2: to play.
Speaker 7: It feels like the less he plays, the more they win.
Speaker 4: I mean, PJ.
Speaker 2: Walker didn't look great, but he looked good enough, and
Speaker 2: he hung in there. And there were some bad calls
Speaker 2: at the end, like really bad calls in the end,
Speaker 2: at least one that a ball was not catchable and
Speaker 2: they called the defensive back on like consecutive penalties there
Speaker 2: pass interference. But the Browns ended up winning the game.
Speaker 2: And Miles Garrett looks like he's a he's just there's
Speaker 2: nobody like him in the NFL. I was going to go, hey,
Speaker 2: there's this movie about this guy who's so much bigger
Speaker 2: and so much more athletic, and and he's like you
Speaker 2: know Jack and the Beanstalk type thing. I mean, he's
Speaker 2: jumping over people, running around people. He's just like one
Speaker 2: of those guys where you go he is different than
Speaker 2: anybody else in the NFL wild And he was all
Speaker 2: over the field. Yes, Tid, there are a couple of
Speaker 2: players that would look like they didn't even bother trying
Speaker 2: to block it, and he just kind of there was
Speaker 2: like no one even there and just kind of.
Speaker 8: He's going to get past us anywhere.
Speaker 2: I think, I think you might have a better game plan,
Speaker 2: Like then you can mess with his mind, like we're
Speaker 2: not even going to block you, and then you'll be
Speaker 2: like oh wait a minute, what are they running now?
Speaker 4: Not only a double team, there's no one blocking at all.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, is he he is huge? Like big
Speaker 2: men aren't supposed to act like that. Just not All right,
Speaker 2: let me take a break. Our good buddy Sean Salisbury
Speaker 2: USC Trojan apologists will join us. Coming up, we'll get
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Speaker 5: Man, I forgot about this one, but we have to
Speaker 5: add in the Iowa loss.
Speaker 4: Speaking of bad calls, that was brutal.
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Speaker 2: He's been hammering the under with Iowa football and that's
Speaker 2: the lowest over under in college football history. And even
Speaker 2: if they scored on the touchdown on the punt return,
Speaker 2: they still wouldn't have gone over.
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Speaker 2: slash eqs. Was there anything that the officials could have
Speaker 2: done in that Iowa ending when the punt returner he
Speaker 2: didn't signal for a fair catch. He was saying, don't
Speaker 2: touch it like he was. I think that that was
Speaker 2: the feeling I got. He didn't raise his hand up
Speaker 2: like you always do with a fair catch, and they're
Speaker 2: down too, and I thought he was just saying, hey,
Speaker 2: stay away from the football. And then he goes over
Speaker 2: and grabs it and then takes it back for a touchdown.
Speaker 2: But it was nullified because they said that it was
Speaker 2: a fair catch.
Speaker 7: Yes, the rule book, it says you have to raise
Speaker 7: your hand clearly above your head, above your shoulders, you
Speaker 7: know where it's like clearly. The guy never did that,
Speaker 7: but he made like a whipping move with his arm
Speaker 7: that these days the refs aren't sure.
Speaker 2: But can can somebody get together and go, hey, can
Speaker 2: I overrule? It feels like everybody is so sensitive that
Speaker 2: they don't want to hurt anybody's feelings and say that
Speaker 2: referee may have made a mistake.
Speaker 4: There there's no.
Speaker 7: Actual review on that play, But like you said, they
Speaker 7: could have done a quick huddle up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because your job is to get it right. You
Speaker 2: may hurt somebody's feelings the process, but get it right.
Speaker 2: Sean Salisbury, former NFL USC quarterback, host of The Shawn
Speaker 2: Salisbury Show and Sports Talk seven ninety in Houston.
Speaker 4: Good morning, Sean, An, How we do anything?
Speaker 8: How are you ma man?
Speaker 4: Are you a USC apologist today?
Speaker 1: I'm still stuck on the dumbass fair catch call that
Speaker 1: the refs made.
Speaker 8: They got it wrong? Yeah, No, I'm not an apologist.
Speaker 1: Dan.
Speaker 8: This in the last time They're gonna lose this year. Well,
Speaker 8: they got Oregon still Washington, Washington.
Speaker 1: And you Seela, UCLA's got really good defensive team speed.
Speaker 1: Washington could score from the tailgate, you know, on Meet
Speaker 1: Friday on the Dan Patrick Show. And we know how
Speaker 1: good organ is Dan when you play offense like that.
Speaker 1: But can't get stops on defense at the most critical times.
Speaker 1: I'm not apologizing for him. I thought their defense would
Speaker 1: be better and Alex Sprinch would have them better. They've
Speaker 1: lost physicality in the interior and that's been going on
Speaker 1: for a minute. But you can't keep winning games forty
Speaker 1: eight to forty four or this won't be their last loss.
Speaker 1: And Utah always man handles them physical physically. And I
Speaker 1: think Kyle Whittingham, outside of Nick Saban's the best college
Speaker 1: football coach on the planet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I praise, but you know, he's done a great
Speaker 2: job and he's beaten USC. I think that's what regularly,
Speaker 2: you know, four consecutive times there. But I'm watching the
Speaker 2: final drive and maybe this is piling on Caleb Williams,
Speaker 2: but he's on the bench and your defense is out there.
Speaker 2: I be involved, and it didn't feel like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: there's just an indifference there that it's kind of strange.
Speaker 2: And I said this two weeks ago as a friend
Speaker 2: of mine who's an NFL scout. He said, look, they're
Speaker 2: not a good team. Caleb Williams covers up a lot
Speaker 2: of this, but they're really not if you look at
Speaker 2: the totality of the team. They're not threatening for a
Speaker 2: national championship, he said. People think they are.
Speaker 4: They're not.
Speaker 2: And he said, I wouldn't be surprised if they end
Speaker 2: up with four losses this year.
Speaker 8: Well halfway there, maybe five, Dad, if they're not careful
Speaker 8: with the three opponents they have.
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more with the guy than with the
Speaker 1: guy you're talking about whoever was you were discussing with.
Speaker 1: I listen, he covers not just a few his ability
Speaker 1: the last couple of years to make every play on
Speaker 1: the planet. It'll cover up for a lot of weaknesses.
Speaker 1: And it's not just defensively. I mean they got some,
Speaker 1: but they also have some physical as far as domination weaknesses.
Speaker 1: He bails you out all the time, which when one
Speaker 1: guy's that good and it's the quarterback and a quarterback
Speaker 1: driven league at every level now, high school, college, pro,
Speaker 1: we automatically think they're a great team. They're not a
Speaker 1: great team. They're a good team with a great talent.
Speaker 1: But I also know what you're talking about. I try
Speaker 1: to guard against Dan. I do because I think the
Speaker 1: guy's a special player. I try to guard against the
Speaker 1: disinterest look and the optics of does he care? Because
Speaker 1: remember they used to say that about Eli Manning. Remember
Speaker 1: Dan the shoulder shrug. He doesn't care when it's two
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. So I'm trying not to be the guy,
Speaker 1: but I'm with you. I'm thinking, Man, is he ready
Speaker 1: to move on?
Speaker 8: Is this? Is he bored with this?
Speaker 1: Knowing that if he doesn't make a play, they can't win.
Speaker 1: And it's true, if he plays average, they just won't win,
Speaker 1: they won't even be in a game.
Speaker 2: So I think could shut out? Could he shut it
Speaker 2: down this season?
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I I would hope that would Dan, That
Speaker 1: would validate how people are, what people what you're saying
Speaker 1: right now about the disinterest not up on the sidelines,
Speaker 1: I know that's been his routine, regularly sitting there with
Speaker 1: his head back and looking up. So and I'm not
Speaker 1: apologizing for me that I don't like the optics of it,
Speaker 1: but I also know when the guy's been that good,
Speaker 1: what else am I going to complain about?
Speaker 8: Even though I'll try to find something with USC football?
Speaker 1: But he maybe Dan, if you'd asked that question a
Speaker 1: decade ago, to look at you like, what do you mean?
Speaker 8: Shut it down? Nobody shuts it down, but we're at.
Speaker 1: A time now, name, image and likeness protect that or
Speaker 1: there's money, uh, first pick or second pick of the draft,
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. Maybe Dan, I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: as a teammate, that would drive me frigging crazy if
Speaker 1: it did, especially with the three games they got to play. Now,
Speaker 1: if it's a bad Bowl game, you're gonna leave, don't
Speaker 1: play in it. I get it when I say bad
Speaker 1: not a January one Bowl game.
Speaker 8: I understand.
Speaker 1: But I hope he doesn't shut it down because that
Speaker 1: would validate what a lot of people want to believe
Speaker 1: that he's disinterested, even though if he's disinterested, imagine how
Speaker 1: good a player he'd be if he was interested. But
Speaker 1: they're a decent team. They don't threaten anybody, and there's
Speaker 1: three or four teams in the Pac twelve outside of
Speaker 1: him carrying them that are better than the Trojans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got the odds to win the Heisman, and
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams is not in there anymore. JJ McCarthy is tops,
Speaker 2: then Michael Pennix, Junior, Jayden Daniels, Jordan Travis and Dylan
Speaker 2: Gabriel and Dan.
Speaker 1: You need that Heisman moment right now. I think McCarthy.
Speaker 1: Somebody had asked me yesterday and when I was talking
Speaker 1: to Fritzy last night, McCarthy to me is the number
Speaker 1: one choice as well.
Speaker 8: It was all packed twelve.
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels has played well, but again they don't play defense.
Speaker 1: You start to look around the country and say, okay,
Speaker 1: well then who is it? It's no longer the Pac twelve.
Speaker 1: Bo Nick's hanging around with the accuracy. Pennis had his
Speaker 1: moment where he I don't know if he lost it,
Speaker 1: but fell off a little bit against Arizona State.
Speaker 8: Drake May had his moment.
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams had his against Notre Dame moment meaning where
Speaker 1: they fall off. McCarthy hasn't had that yet, and he's
Speaker 1: gonna get his heisman moment when they play Ohio State
Speaker 1: and what will be a huge game and a few more.
Speaker 1: I like McCarthy is the number one choice. He protects
Speaker 1: the ball and he kills you more ways than one.
Speaker 1: I actually think Michigan is as complete a team as
Speaker 1: we have in football right now, and that includes Georgia.
Speaker 4: Are they great?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 8: Really good? I don't think we have a great team.
Speaker 1: I think that with Kirby Smart and the way they
Speaker 1: recruit and the way they develop and teach at Georgia,
Speaker 1: there's no doubt they're really good. But I still think offensively,
Speaker 1: I'm not sold yet that Georgia's that dominant can go
Speaker 1: score forty against a great defense, although I know how
Speaker 1: good they are and we know, and I think when
Speaker 1: you lose that many defensive players on Georgia, it's hard
Speaker 1: to overcome year after year. I don't think we have
Speaker 1: a great team in college football, and I think the
Speaker 1: eighth team in the country can win the national championship.
Speaker 1: I think Washington could go win the national title if
Speaker 1: played right. But as far as complete and really good
Speaker 1: and a quarterback, CA can beat you more ways than one.
Speaker 8: Michigan's as good as we got in the country.
Speaker 2: Shawn Sulisbury, former NFL USC quarterback, host of The Shawn
Speaker 2: Salisbury Show. You can hear that on Sports Talk seven
Speaker 2: to ninety in Houston. The worst loss of the weekend,
Speaker 2: if I said the Bills against the Patriots, the Lions
Speaker 2: against the Ravens, other who had the worst loss.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was the Lions because this is
Speaker 1: about two or three of these I expected this year
Speaker 1: from them.
Speaker 8: They're good for this fore you go and say what
Speaker 8: are you doing?
Speaker 1: I think it was more impressed on Baltimore's side, and
Speaker 1: I also don't think it was the worst loss because
Speaker 1: I actually think Detroit can run away and hide in
Speaker 1: this division. But with Buffalo battle in Miami, who got
Speaker 1: there from Philly last night, and we know Belichick's defense
Speaker 1: always shows up. I think that was the most impressive
Speaker 1: pointing the show yesterday, Dan, I you know when you're
Speaker 1: gambling or you're talking about point spreads. I thought New
Speaker 1: England would get inside the number. I just didn't think
Speaker 1: they beat him, but they were impressive. That was their
Speaker 1: best offensive performance. As far as I'm concerned of Mac
Speaker 1: Jones protecting the ball, I'm gonna go with Buffalo because
Speaker 1: Buffalo now validates what we keep thinking, great talent. Uh,
Speaker 1: when are they going to close this out? When are
Speaker 1: they going to do what Kansas City does? When are
Speaker 1: they going to be New England when Brady was there,
Speaker 1: where they got all this skill set? Can they dominate
Speaker 1: you running it? Can they can they handle typical and
Speaker 1: constant success? I think that was It's tough to go
Speaker 1: to New England and win, but to me, that was
Speaker 1: the one because that's going to be a much tighter
Speaker 1: division than the than the Detroit Lions in the NFC North.
Speaker 1: It'll come down to the last week or two in
Speaker 1: in in that division in the AFC East.
Speaker 8: The NFC North will be one in early in early
Speaker 8: December by the Lions.
Speaker 2: Explain to me how Travis Kelsey, you know what he's
Speaker 2: going to do and they still couldn't stop him knowing
Speaker 2: what he was going to do?
Speaker 4: Right, how does it happen? You know you're game planning
Speaker 4: for Travis Kelce.
Speaker 1: Right, Dad? What did the Belichick approach or anybody? I'm
Speaker 1: not letting your best beat me. Not name the quarterback
Speaker 1: and guess what the best every week he beats you.
Speaker 1: And you know it helps that they got a play
Speaker 1: call that knows how to deploy him and motion him
Speaker 1: and Andy Reid and put him in positions. The thing
Speaker 1: that's most baffling to me and go back and look
Speaker 1: like in the playoff game and that game against Buffalo
Speaker 1: when they were back and forth and in Super Bowls, Dan,
Speaker 1: I don't know why people give him.
Speaker 8: Such a free runoff the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: You know how in basketball like the Bulls would bring
Speaker 1: in like Will Purdue Lukela. They have like three guys
Speaker 1: for six fouls you at eighteen to give. I don't
Speaker 1: know why we don't maul him at the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: even in motion. I know you back off a little,
Speaker 1: but take your foul, go clutch and grab. You cannot
Speaker 1: give him free rein I want to make him work
Speaker 1: more at the line of scrimmage than I do in space.
Speaker 8: You give him in space. It's the old choice route. Okay.
Speaker 1: If they play an inside man, run away, play an
Speaker 1: outside man, you run away inside in zone, stretch the
Speaker 1: outside leverage of the zone and sit and then Mahomes
Speaker 1: and him are just playing school yard, even though it's
Speaker 1: designed well. It's like go down there to the car
Speaker 1: and make a left behind Dan's Mercedes and stand there
Speaker 1: and we'll throw it to you. And that's the way
Speaker 1: it works. But I don't get in professional sports how
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're doubling him like you do
Speaker 1: the gunner on or the covering punts. You can't let
Speaker 1: the best player at his position in the world have
Speaker 1: free reign. And just when we think Kansas City's offense
Speaker 1: man are they the same? Mahomes still goes and throws
Speaker 1: for four hundred yards. You cannot let that guy. It'd
Speaker 1: be like saying, hey, let's give Derrick Henry in his
Speaker 1: prime when he's running forty carries and just open up
Speaker 1: a hole for him. You got to stop the team's
Speaker 1: best and make somebody else beat you for some reason.
Speaker 1: I guess it's harder than we described because nobody seems
Speaker 1: to be able to do it.
Speaker 2: Help me understand what's going on with the Browns and
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 8: I don't know, Dan. I'm bothered by it, though.
Speaker 1: I'm bothered by because I think winning teammates over matters,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how they feel in the locker
Speaker 1: room about him. I know from a distance we speak
Speaker 1: of optics on Caleb william The optics don't look good.
Speaker 8: The optics do not look good.
Speaker 1: I don't like it when the guy's pronounced fit and
Speaker 1: doesn't play, and then when he goes and plays.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know how severely he was hurt and all that,
Speaker 1: but you could make the easy case that you say, well,
Speaker 1: he got paid, got the bag, so he's taking time off,
Speaker 1: and load management fits him like it does the NBA.
Speaker 1: It bothers him. I don't think Deshaun Watson's ever going
Speaker 1: to put his team in position to win a super
Speaker 1: Bowl again. I know why he's easy to root against
Speaker 1: if you're some people. He's an enormous talent and the
Speaker 1: Browns are really good. But I like what PJ. Walker did.
Speaker 1: I don't know, and Dan, you know this. It gets
Speaker 1: to a certain point if you're not running through a wall,
Speaker 1: running jumping over a wall, or going around the wall
Speaker 1: for that guy, your quarterback, and maybe they still are,
Speaker 1: then you got a problem. And this team is a
Speaker 1: playoff team with Super Bowl aspirations and I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on, but there's a disconnect and I just
Speaker 1: don't know where it is. And if Deshaun Watson, I'll
Speaker 1: ask simply does he still love playing football? That I
Speaker 1: don't know, and I don't know where the level of
Speaker 1: his pain tolerance is. It doesn't look good optics wise,
Speaker 1: and especially when the guy who comes in is winning
Speaker 1: games for you.
Speaker 2: And they only owe him one hundred and ninety million
Speaker 2: dollars guaranteed the next three years, so that shouldn't be
Speaker 2: a problem.
Speaker 8: No, he'll be okay, I mean, I mean, you know,
Speaker 8: but who's counting? Dan? Why what I mean, who's keeping score?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 4: A million over the next three years.
Speaker 1: Right, And there's a good chance he may not be
Speaker 1: the one quarterback. And I'm in February. You can get
Speaker 1: you to January. We still wonder if he can get
Speaker 1: you to February. But there's got to be the passion
Speaker 1: and love for it. I always ask quarterbacks when they
Speaker 1: come to me young, I say to their parents, they say,
Speaker 1: does he loved to play? He loves to play? Fine,
Speaker 1: And that exists all the way through to the end.
Speaker 1: And I'm assuming DeShawn loves to play. But there is
Speaker 1: some kind of disconnecting. The optics look horrible.
Speaker 2: The uh you know, the brotherly shove, the push tush
Speaker 2: it works, it works too well, and sometimes it feels
Speaker 2: like the extra point before they moved it back, like
Speaker 2: you know, it's boring.
Speaker 8: Automatic can if.
Speaker 2: You're on the competition committee and they asked for your vote,
Speaker 2: is the push push in play next year?
Speaker 1: Uh? No? And here's why, Dan, here's why my excuse
Speaker 1: would be if I was on that committee. Is one
Speaker 1: is you know how we always say, hey, let's air
Speaker 1: on the side of protecting football players. We want to
Speaker 1: protect them. Yet I can think of nothing works for
Speaker 1: a quarterback other than getting hit in the back of
Speaker 1: the head. Blindside is having guys at outweigh you one
Speaker 1: thousand pounds pushing you from behind while the others are coming,
Speaker 1: and if they hit you high and you're getting pushed low,
Speaker 1: that'll bend back.
Speaker 8: It's a blown knee wait to have.
Speaker 1: The first time a star blows out his knee, if
Speaker 1: it was hurts or somebody else, that rule goes away.
Speaker 8: Hell, they'll have an emergency meeting.
Speaker 2: But Sean, the Eagles are choosing to do this right,
Speaker 2: You're exactly right, and the rules let them.
Speaker 1: So they got bulldozer behind them pushing them and they
Speaker 1: But the second Jalen hurts, he amen, my lower back
Speaker 1: feels like a disc went down into my hamstring.
Speaker 8: Then it'll change.
Speaker 1: But right now the rule says go for it, and
Speaker 1: they're really damn good at it. But to me it
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's boring. Boring football sometimes wins games.
Speaker 1: We've seen that a lot. But when it comes to this,
Speaker 1: if you're actually airing on the side of protecting the player,
Speaker 1: which we do so often in this league and overboard,
Speaker 1: maybe just maybe that you would.
Speaker 8: Want to think about that too.
Speaker 1: But if you notice, Dan, the only time we really
Speaker 1: want to protect the players when it's a head shot.
Speaker 1: We don't really care about their knees or their lower
Speaker 1: back or their shoulder. We care about the head. But
Speaker 1: I hated the quarterback sneak anyway because people are always
Speaker 1: flying at your head.
Speaker 8: With that.
Speaker 1: Now you've got people pushing, people pulling the whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say that that's not long for the NFL.
Speaker 1: But right now, if you're the Eagles, you do it well,
Speaker 1: use it. Why wouldn't you if you're not afraid to.
Speaker 4: Thanks Bud, good to talk to you.
Speaker 8: Appreciate you astros tonight. Brother should be a good one.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 8: Can somebody get somebody out that'd be nice at home.
Speaker 4: And a home team win a game.
Speaker 8: There you go, thanks brother, I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Sean Salisbury FORMUSC quarterback. You know, here's the thing we
Speaker 2: talk about quarterback safety. That push tush brotherly shove is
Speaker 2: not about the quarterback getting injured. It's about those offensive
Speaker 2: and defensive linemen. I mean, Jason Kelsey said, man, it's crushing.
Speaker 2: I mean literally, it's crushing on these guys that force
Speaker 2: those guys all you know, in a pig pile here,
Speaker 2: that's where the concern somebody steps on somebody's ankle or
Speaker 2: somebody's knee gets twisted. I'm not worried about the quarterback
Speaker 2: because Jalen Hurts was crowdsurfing like he just they kind
Speaker 2: of lift him up and just send him on his
Speaker 2: way there. I don't I would be more concerned with
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Speaker 2: the weekend. Buddha leads us off in San Francisco. Hi, Buddha,
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Speaker 8: DP?
Speaker 3: Good morning boys? Thank you Todd any given Sunday, Dan,
Speaker 3: the NFL wins yet again. Always great content and this
Speaker 3: is why it is the King of sports. I mean
Speaker 3: so many headlines. I mean Andy said Taylor can hang
Speaker 3: around all she wants. Dan, you spoff the Patriots into
Speaker 3: winning existence this weekend, much to the chagrin of Tyler.
Speaker 3: I think of all the survivor pools that got squashed yesterday,
Speaker 3: my goodness. But best of the weekend, Dan, Texas Ranger
Speaker 3: Sports in Game seven, Best two words in sports and
Speaker 3: the Dodgers fan, Dan, you know what I think about
Speaker 3: Houston suck at Astros and worst of the weekend Dan,
Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson. I mean, what a fall from the top
Speaker 3: for him. And he went from Davos Sweeney anointing him
Speaker 3: as like the next Michael Jordan and he was a
Speaker 3: top tier qv in the NFL, and now he's just
Speaker 3: a huge.
Speaker 4: Cloud of mystery.
Speaker 3: It's very strange and it's kind of sad to watch dpe.
Speaker 4: Thank you bout him. Yeah, something's going on there.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to understand ownership, the head coach, the quarterback,
Speaker 2: who's clearing him to play, who doesn't want him to play?
Speaker 4: Was he told to sit? Was he binged?
Speaker 2: I have no idea what And maybe he's being smart,
Speaker 2: Maybe he does have an injury and wants to make
Speaker 2: sure that he's there for the second half. He went
Speaker 2: one for five in the game, now maybe one for
Speaker 2: five because of the injured shoulder, but he's been medically
Speaker 2: cleared to play and then they sat him. That's what
Speaker 2: I don't understand, uh Tyler in Texas, Hi Tyler.
Speaker 11: I want to Dan, Hey, I'm a diehard Notre Dame
Speaker 11: fan here and I just wanted to give a little
Speaker 11: hot take about USC. I think that the brand of
Speaker 11: USC is dead. You and Sean talked about it. They
Speaker 11: have two or three more losses in them this year,
Speaker 11: and then you look at Caleb Williams is probably gone
Speaker 11: at the end of the year, Lincoln Riley is probably gone.
Speaker 11: Whatever players might you know, Mass Exodus leave and then
Speaker 11: you start looking towards next year as they joined the
Speaker 11: Big Ten. Their schedule next year is absolutely brutal. They
Speaker 11: open up with LSU, they have Notre Dame, they play Washington,
Speaker 11: Penn State in Michigan. So that's probably five losses right there,
Speaker 11: and you know, looking forward going into the Big Ten,
Speaker 11: it's going to be a struggle for USC. So I
Speaker 11: think that the brand of USC might be dead. But hey, Dan,
Speaker 11: at least they're getting the Big Ten money, right.
Speaker 4: Yes, they thank you to that.
Speaker 2: Creat Yeah, that's another thing when you talk about you know,
Speaker 2: PAC twelve has been really competitive. Now you go into
Speaker 2: the Big Ten next year and are you going in
Speaker 2: without your quarterback? You know, we thought, gosh, if it's
Speaker 2: a package deal, they would be losing Caleb Williams and
Speaker 2: their head coach. Now, if you're a USC fan, you
Speaker 2: might be going, can we lose our coach? We're going
Speaker 2: to lose our quarterback. Can we also lose our coach?
Speaker 2: He knows how to coach offense. I mean, you got
Speaker 2: three Heisman quarterbacks. But he's won in four in bowl games,
Speaker 2: zero to three in the college football playoffs, and really
Speaker 2: is just indifferent towards the defense. I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: even think he has a special teams coach there. That's
Speaker 2: where you go, No, we're good, We're just gonna outscore everybody.
Speaker 4: Yeah, pulling.
Speaker 7: Doesn't this make the twenty twenty four NFL Draft much
Speaker 7: more saucy that now at least it's a discussion about
Speaker 7: the number one pick, when like six weeks ago, it
Speaker 7: felt like Caleb Williams was Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning, Peyton Manning.
Speaker 7: There's a discussion about him and Ryan Leaf. You know,
Speaker 7: he wasn't the biggest short thing. But like since Andrew Luck,
Speaker 7: there hasn't been this big of a short thing, and
Speaker 7: now feels like it's a discussion.
Speaker 2: Well, Caleb Williams can still be the best quarterback. I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's the discussion. He's just not a heisman.
Speaker 2: The reason why he's not is he's lost Notre Dame
Speaker 2: and he lost this game. I mean, he didn't look
Speaker 2: good against Notre Dame. But I I this is what
Speaker 2: happens when the quarterback comes back. How many times are
Speaker 2: you successful when we go, oh my god, he's coming back.
Speaker 2: The expectation level, you know, Matt Liiner, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: you know, how great can he be? And then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden people start to chip away at.
Speaker 5: You a little zero point zero percent.
Speaker 2: You know, Sam Darnold when he came back, Deshaun Watson
Speaker 2: when he came back. You just I mean these are
Speaker 2: recent ones where you go, I don't know. Now we've
Speaker 2: had these analysts who a bit on the show to go,
Speaker 2: you know, I would take my Ryan Leave said, I
Speaker 2: take Michael Pennox over him. Dan Arlovsky loves Drake May
Speaker 2: So there's at least a little.
Speaker 4: Bit of a conversation there.
Speaker 2: But I would thing that most of the scouts on
Speaker 2: the outside looking in, you know, because you don't know
Speaker 2: what kind of personality he has. You know his dad's
Speaker 2: heavily involved. And you know, is there an arrogance there?
Speaker 2: Did he want a piece of a team?
Speaker 4: Are there certain teams he won't go to? Like? Those
Speaker 4: are the red flags that you got to be aware of.
Speaker 2: But as far as being a great quarterback, I think
Speaker 2: he's still a great quarterback. Andrew in Washington, Hi Andrew,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind?
Speaker 12: Good morning, Dan? And then thanks for taking my.
Speaker 13: Call my best and my best is going back to
Speaker 13: my MMW GOOTW my most must watch games of the
Speaker 13: week on Friday. Yes, I called it to Dan. I
Speaker 13: was on the bandwagon Patriots over Bills and also Florida
Speaker 13: State beating Duke to go seven to ozho for the
Speaker 13: first time since twenty fourteen. Now, I also have a
Speaker 13: quick stat of the day, if.
Speaker 12: You don't mind. With one hundred and thirty seven receiving
Speaker 12: yards last night, AJ Brown becomes only the third wide
Speaker 12: receiver in NFL history with one one and twenty five
Speaker 12: or more receiving yards in five straight games. The other
Speaker 12: two Calvin Johnson in twenty twelve and Pat Studstill in
Speaker 12: nineteen sixty six.
Speaker 2: Stat of the Day, Stat of the Day Bob as
Speaker 2: Stat of the day.
Speaker 4: Stat of the day here comes that? What stat of
Speaker 4: the day?
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