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Speaker 1: Welcome in Happy Thanksgiving, Doug gotlim tjos Manzana and for
Speaker 1: Dan Dan as Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio. I
Speaker 1: hope your bird is getting warm. Well. You have somewhere
Speaker 1: to go, whether it's friends or Thanksgiving, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: it's like just a great day from camaraderie, right and
Speaker 1: and you know, a good day to be around people
Speaker 1: that many of us haven't been. You had a chance
Speaker 1: to be around as annoying as family can be when
Speaker 1: you can't be around family because of COVID for a
Speaker 1: long period time, they're a little less annoying today. So
Speaker 1: I hope you ready for a great day and a
Speaker 1: great day of foot ball. TJ. You know what's inevitably
Speaker 1: going to follow the first game or during the first game,
Speaker 1: Why are the Lions on on Thanksgiving because that's the way,
Speaker 1: that's how we roll. But really a disappointing slate of
Speaker 1: games like it, and no fault of the NFL. Right
Speaker 1: if the John Gruden thing or the or the terrible
Speaker 1: car accident doesn't happen, this Raiders game looks a lot different.
Speaker 1: And the Saints, of course, have just been besieged by injuries.
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody who's playing. They have very few
Speaker 1: of their stars playing today against the Bills. And then
Speaker 1: of course the Bears have swooned here and the Lions
Speaker 1: are just bad in rebuild mode. Like, we don't have
Speaker 1: a stellar set of games today. We don't have the
Speaker 1: marquee teams, and aside from the Cowboys that are having
Speaker 1: a good season right now, the Bills, we just don't.
Speaker 1: We don't have the head to head matchup or you're like,
Speaker 1: who's gonna win? I can't wait for that game right right?
Speaker 1: But I'll be honest, I love football, and so at
Speaker 1: nine thirty I will be in front of the TV
Speaker 1: watching the game because I am a fan of football.
Speaker 1: But I will say I just want competitive games. Detroit.
Speaker 1: They they're awful, but they're there. They seem to be
Speaker 1: competitive in every game. They just they're gonna play to
Speaker 1: the end. They're gonna give you everything they have. They
Speaker 1: just they're just going to lose the game at the end.
Speaker 1: But I mean they get in the backup quarterback, like
Speaker 1: it's bad, dude. Now. They said, Jared Goff is gonna play.
Speaker 1: Jared Goff is playing, and so we're gonna get Andy Dalton,
Speaker 1: a backup who was a long time starter for the Bears.
Speaker 1: Give me a competitive game. The Dallas Las Vegas Raiders
Speaker 1: game seems to be the most competitive one. The Raiders
Speaker 1: have kind of just fallen off, but they've had a
Speaker 1: lot of turmoil in that locker room and in that team,
Speaker 1: and so it didn't happen right the way. It was
Speaker 1: kind of a little after to like, oh, we should
Speaker 1: be playing bad. Now, I guess we'll play bad. I mean,
Speaker 1: because they had a promising start to the season, and
Speaker 1: when Gruden being fired and the incident with Rugs, they there.
Speaker 1: It's tough to recover and sustain a season when you
Speaker 1: have so much going on. You're meeting about things that
Speaker 1: a like that instead of football. When Gruen got fired,
Speaker 1: guarantee each position coach met with their players about it.
Speaker 1: Then with the Rugs situation, head coach met with the
Speaker 1: team about it, Your position coach met with you about it.
Speaker 1: And so you're taking time away from football to talk
Speaker 1: about these things and oh it doesn't matter, it does matter.
Speaker 1: And then you go to the Bills and the Saints.
Speaker 1: The Bills need this win bad. I mean, the Coats
Speaker 1: embarrassed them. And if I'm the Saints, I'm saying, oh,
Speaker 1: Trynathan turned around for two hundred plus yards. We should
Speaker 1: be able to get at least one fifty out of
Speaker 1: this and that should be somewhat of a competitive game.
Speaker 1: We just don't have the marquee names in the marquee
Speaker 1: matchups that we would like. I'm telling you right now,
Speaker 1: I think the Colts. The Colts and the Niners are
Speaker 1: the two most underrated teams in the league. Right Remember
Speaker 1: the Colts lost their first three out of the gate,
Speaker 1: but he had new quarterback and they just didn't look good.
Speaker 1: But I mean they're they're beating the Ravens down the
Speaker 1: first half. Obviously Lamar Jackson was incredible. After that, they
Speaker 1: lost to the Titans buy three. But like, this is
Speaker 1: a team that you know that they can run it,
Speaker 1: and honestly, Carson Wentz is back to playing good kind
Speaker 1: of conservative football. Like Carson Wentz eighteen touchdowns, three interceptions,
Speaker 1: that's really good, really really really good. Jonathan Taylor eleven
Speaker 1: hundred yards and he can catch it out of the
Speaker 1: backfield some too. And then your boy Michael Pittman, he's
Speaker 1: got fifty seven catches, by the way. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I share this, but you know your your wide
Speaker 1: receiver workouts during when everything was shut down, Like my Hays,
Speaker 1: my son is like, hey, Dad, can you ask TJ
Speaker 1: when I can when I can go work out with
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman and all those guys here, Like, hey, did
Speaker 1: you know they're playing on Sundays right now. They're not
Speaker 1: working out with TJ. In la Man back COVID. Really
Speaker 1: it gave us a chance to just work work. I
Speaker 1: was with a Pittman in Claypool, I mean, Doug. When
Speaker 1: COVID hit, it's crazy. We didn't stop. We went five
Speaker 1: days a week, Monday through Friday, every single day, and
Speaker 1: it was certain times we go to this park shaff
Speaker 1: froze up. You guys got to put a mask on.
Speaker 1: We didn't have masks. He gave us masks continued to
Speaker 1: work out. I mean we went six months Monday through
Speaker 1: Friday every day, didn't miss a day, and now he's
Speaker 1: starting to see the fruits of his labor labor so
Speaker 1: to speak. But speaking of the Coats man, Frank Wright
Speaker 1: is a fantas as a kad coach. He doesn't get
Speaker 1: mentioned enough. The Coats are a really good team and
Speaker 1: he deserves to be given credit because the way they
Speaker 1: started on in three to rebound and play the way
Speaker 1: that they're playing. You gotta give him credit for not
Speaker 1: letting that locker room feel sorry for herself all we're
Speaker 1: gonna have a bad season. He kept them locked in
Speaker 1: and lick at him. Now, Stan Patrick show here on
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio, what about the naggy thing? I talked
Speaker 1: to people in the Bears organization. It's like the one
Speaker 1: guy specifically, it was pretty high rank and he was like,
Speaker 1: none of that's been talked about. It's like a patch
Speaker 1: dot com report. Patch dot com for people who don't know,
Speaker 1: is it's a website. It's basically like a little local
Speaker 1: website where it aggregates any kind of local story. But
Speaker 1: somehow I didn't even know, Like I didn't know that
Speaker 1: they had did their own reporting, but you know, someone
Speaker 1: hurt from someone else that he's gonna get go. How
Speaker 1: do you think they react with the Bears? How do
Speaker 1: you think they react to that news? I mean, honestly, Douglas,
Speaker 1: be honest. Matt Nagie's getting fired when the season's over. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he will whether be fired yet, whether he's fired Friday,
Speaker 1: which is tomorrow Monday, Orange like Matt Nagie will be
Speaker 1: relieved as the head coach of the Chicago Bears. It's
Speaker 1: just when when is he going to be fired? And
Speaker 1: so that they jumped the gun maybe, and the Bears
Speaker 1: are gonna make it look like they jumped the gun
Speaker 1: by not firing him during the season. But Matt Naggie
Speaker 1: is as good as going. They haven't been able to
Speaker 1: consistently field a good football team and you get a
Speaker 1: ricky quarterback, and that could be a saving grace if
Speaker 1: they looked like they had a plan. They justin fields
Speaker 1: first game out it was like, okay, what are they
Speaker 1: doing with the guy? Did they even know what they
Speaker 1: want to do? They even know how they should be playing?
Speaker 1: And then they started to oh, okay, mate, you should
Speaker 1: have had that right out the gate immediate, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is what we want for Justin Phils. This is what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. Put them in so many advantageous situations,
Speaker 1: things that he does well. They weren't doing that. It
Speaker 1: wasn't until the public outcry that it seemed like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's start doing this now for Justin because this really
Speaker 1: fits them. Yeah, Maggie's gone. Let me, I would agree
Speaker 1: with you, but let me let me take the other
Speaker 1: opposite side. Let me defend Matt Nagie for a second. Right,
Speaker 1: so his I'm sure the sale to why he's he
Speaker 1: was the right guy for Justin Fields was he was
Speaker 1: in Kansas City the year that Mahomes red shirt. Right now,
Speaker 1: Mahomes and you know, Mahomes and Justin Fields are two
Speaker 1: completely different quarterbacks right in terms of style and how
Speaker 1: they played in college. Because because Mahomes though he's athletic,
Speaker 1: like he threw for a million yards when he's a
Speaker 1: tech and Fields did too. But Fields is a guy
Speaker 1: who was much more of a runner than than Mahomes was.
Speaker 1: But again, to defend Matt Nagee, I would guess would be, look,
Speaker 1: when we had Mahomes, we didn't have a different offense
Speaker 1: for Pat Mahomes as opposed to Alex Smith. He spent
Speaker 1: the year learning the offense behind Alex Smith, and then
Speaker 1: in week seventeen when he played, we didn't run a
Speaker 1: different offense. We ran the exact same offense. Only he's better,
Speaker 1: He's got more potential. He can make more plays than
Speaker 1: Alex Smith. So my guess is that, yeah, it looked bad,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't supposed to be playing. Then, he was
Speaker 1: supposed to be sitting watching and learning, and only us
Speaker 1: in the media had been yelling out for him. Then,
Speaker 1: you know, like, I mean, look, did they put him
Speaker 1: in a great situation? No, But part of it was
Speaker 1: they spent the whole preseason teaching him to play under center,
Speaker 1: and then they get into the games and they're like, look,
Speaker 1: he's more comfortable in the gun, but he's been working
Speaker 1: under center. What we actually do They hadn't. They hadn't. Really,
Speaker 1: they're trying to get him to be able to function
Speaker 1: in a more traditional offense, but he's not. He's not
Speaker 1: there yet. He hasn't done it enough yet. You're asking
Speaker 1: something of me, can't do I agree with you. You could,
Speaker 1: you got to change on the fly, But but they
Speaker 1: needed a week to prep for that, and that's what
Speaker 1: got exposed. It was but you would think, we drafted
Speaker 1: this guy, he's our quarterback in the future, we have
Speaker 1: a comprehensive plan offensively, how we want to get him
Speaker 1: ready to play. They didn't look like they had that
Speaker 1: until after his first game you would say, Okay, he
Speaker 1: had Mitchell Trubisky. Trubisky was drafted and I believe twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen Naggie became a head coach a year later in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, you couldn't they're they're they're similar now and
Speaker 1: Trubisky doesn't run as much as as good an athlete
Speaker 1: as Justin easily easily, but he wasn't a runner in
Speaker 1: college as much as Justin Fields was. He didn't seem
Speaker 1: to develop him in Intrubisky goes a Buffalo and in
Speaker 1: a preseason you're like, whoa, where did this come from?
Speaker 1: It's a preseason, but where did this come from? And
Speaker 1: so I don't know what it is that they're doing
Speaker 1: in Chicago. But it's not conducive for the young quarterbacks
Speaker 1: because Mitchell Trubisky, he took so much of the blame,
Speaker 1: so much of the blame that when you looked at
Speaker 1: when Justin Fields gotten a game, the lack of a plan,
Speaker 1: at least for me, it was alarming. Oh, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if you didn't expect him to start. He's your
Speaker 1: quarterback of the future. We should be building a plan
Speaker 1: the day we draft him on how we wanted to allophim.
Speaker 1: They weren't doing that. Coming up next to what I
Speaker 1: want to do is I want to get into a
Speaker 1: little bit of the Cowboys, but a lot of the Giants.
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Speaker 1: SR to listen lived Jasmin's I'm Doug Gottliman for Dan
Speaker 1: Dan dan Patrick show Fox Sports Radio. Um, who is
Speaker 1: your favorite offensive coordinator you ever played for? Wow? I
Speaker 1: would probably say, uh, I have my most success under him.
Speaker 1: So Bob Bratkowski? Why what? What was it about what
Speaker 1: he did? Or did he just believe in you? What
Speaker 1: was it about uh Bob that the allied to be
Speaker 1: so successful? We called we called him bratt coach bratt Um. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm laughing. I wouldn't say initially he believed in me.
Speaker 1: I might have been forced to believe in me. Um,
Speaker 1: But I learned a lot. And when when I sat,
Speaker 1: learned a lot. For people that don't understand. It's like
Speaker 1: when we are in Cincinnati, we would have to sit
Speaker 1: in meetings the receivers with the offensive line in quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: and it used to be so boring, so boring. They're
Speaker 1: going over protections and you look over guys or on
Speaker 1: their phone or they fallen asleep. I would just take
Speaker 1: notes and I didn't realize I was learning their protections
Speaker 1: and I was learning football because I was just paying attention,
Speaker 1: and we would put plays in and if it was
Speaker 1: one high, you would run it this way. If it
Speaker 1: was too high, you would run it this way. And
Speaker 1: too high could be covered four, cover two, cover six,
Speaker 1: so it would be different variations. And so I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: it's like this everywhere I leave. I go to another
Speaker 1: team and I'm like, hey, so on this play, if
Speaker 1: we get a two high look but it's not covered
Speaker 1: two its quarters, how do you want us to run it? Like? Oh,
Speaker 1: just get open? I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: If the quarterback is going to throw at anticipation, I
Speaker 1: can't just get open. He needs to know how I'm
Speaker 1: going to run it so he can roll with anticipation.
Speaker 1: If he if I'm just gonna get open, he doesn't
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna do. And so we were very
Speaker 1: attention to detail. It probably didn't show as much as
Speaker 1: they gave it to us in Cincinnati, but I learned
Speaker 1: a ton of football from Bratt protections, how to run routes,
Speaker 1: what to do, what not to do in certain situations.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it would be Bratt. And I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: When I was in Cincinnati, towards the end, I was
Speaker 1: a bit of a butthole, just just because you kind
Speaker 1: of get tired of the losing and you want to
Speaker 1: blame the coaches. I promise this is a true story.
Speaker 1: When I left Cincinnati and I went to Seattle, I
Speaker 1: called Bratt and I told him, I said, I want
Speaker 1: to apologize because you were so much better of a coach,
Speaker 1: and I ever gave you credit for now that I'm
Speaker 1: not with you, I just want to let you know
Speaker 1: how much I learned from you and how great of
Speaker 1: a coach you are that I didn't realize when I
Speaker 1: was playing for you. I told him that. I told
Speaker 1: him that. Okay, so my next question would be, who's
Speaker 1: the worst offense coordinate ever played for. I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: I had a worse offensive coording, man, Now, I really
Speaker 1: be honest, because like, for instance, I played for All
Speaker 1: Going Order, I played for Greg nap May Rest in Peace,
Speaker 1: and then I pay for Cam Cameron, and then technically
Speaker 1: it was Hugh and Alexanders. Alexander's offense is very complicated. Um,
Speaker 1: you you can't be a dummy and played for Alexanders.
Speaker 1: If you're a dummy, it's too tough. Cam Cameron his
Speaker 1: run game, like we had concepts in a run game
Speaker 1: that I had never seen. This was like my tenth
Speaker 1: year in the league. Like certain concepts I had never
Speaker 1: seen when I got to Baltimore. Give me, give me
Speaker 1: an example, Give me an example. Like since we'd be
Speaker 1: running the ball to the right, the tight end would
Speaker 1: just sprint to the flats like it was a pass play.
Speaker 1: Every team I've been on that tight end was blocking.
Speaker 1: But he felt like, if you sprint to the flats,
Speaker 1: you're gonna draw a defender thinking it's a pass play.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I had never seen that before.
Speaker 1: A lot of teams do that now. They weren't doing
Speaker 1: that back then when I was playing. And so just
Speaker 1: his concepts in a run game, the passing game, it
Speaker 1: wasn't as nuanced as Cincinnati and even Seattle. Greg not
Speaker 1: probably had the best playbook that I had, Like he
Speaker 1: had so many great concepts, but he was a guy
Speaker 1: that liked to run a lot of screens. And Hugh Jackson.
Speaker 1: He was a coach that you want to play for
Speaker 1: because I pretty much got my chance to play because
Speaker 1: of Hugh. He came in there and said, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: play the best guys. I'm gonna be honest with you,
Speaker 1: like we were sitting. Then the meeting, Hugh Jackson walks
Speaker 1: in there. It was like twelve receivers. He's like, he
Speaker 1: named four of them, one, two, three, four, pointed him out.
Speaker 1: You four on the team, the rest of you eight
Speaker 1: or battling for two spots. I was like, whoa No
Speaker 1: coach had ever told us that before. Like he was,
Speaker 1: so you play bad. Hey, if you keep playing like this,
Speaker 1: you you're not gonna play. Or if you keep playing
Speaker 1: like this, you're not making a team. He was so
Speaker 1: honest that I appreciated the transparency black or white, no
Speaker 1: gray error with you. And that's what I liked about him.
Speaker 1: He's personable. He makes you want to play for him.
Speaker 1: But I told him, they're not giving me a chance
Speaker 1: to play here, and that's why I said, uh, what, Bratt.
Speaker 1: He probably was forced to play me. He was like,
Speaker 1: I'm playing the best guys. Peter Warre breaks his leg
Speaker 1: against the New York Jets. I get a chance to play,
Speaker 1: and I was a starter for the rest of my career,
Speaker 1: pretty much as T. J. Husbands Ota joining us. I
Speaker 1: bring that out because des Brian had some of the
Speaker 1: best moments of his career playing for the obviously not
Speaker 1: just the Cowboys, but for Jason Garrett as their head coach,
Speaker 1: and Jason Garrett's a play caller. Dez tweets out, if
Speaker 1: you're hearing the news about j G, that's Jason Garrett,
Speaker 1: Darius Tony, you will get to experience the love and
Speaker 1: joy for football throughout your career. When asked by one
Speaker 1: of his followers if he didn't like Garrett, he tweeted, great, dude,
Speaker 1: never respected his philosophy towards players and the game. Translate
Speaker 1: that for me, that's personal. When you say never respected
Speaker 1: his philosophy towards players, that seems a little personal, like
Speaker 1: his philosophy. Did he not respects you? Did he make
Speaker 1: it seem like it wasn't the player, it was the
Speaker 1: exes and knows and not the Joe, so to speak.
Speaker 1: And when I saw that, that that's how I took you.
Speaker 1: I don't believe Das cares for Jason. It might be
Speaker 1: some underlying how much of it is is just did he
Speaker 1: cut him right? Like like Dez Bryan got cut when
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett was the coach. And it's like anybody who's
Speaker 1: ever lost a job or lost you know, a job
Speaker 1: within a job, end of the day, the guy who
Speaker 1: makes the decision is the guy you're going to be
Speaker 1: bitter towards. Right, really, just really dug you really believe
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett made the decision to cut him or Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones and those guys made the decision. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I can't tell you that. Like Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett was viewed as like the other uh, the other
Speaker 1: son to Jerry Jones, right, Like that's that's how he
Speaker 1: everybody like, man, you can't talk to Jason Garrett, he
Speaker 1: might he might as well be a Jones boy. So
Speaker 1: like you blame everybody, I believe there's some underlying disagreements
Speaker 1: that they may have had that we don't know about.
Speaker 1: But I don't believe Jason Garrett. I mean, yeah, he
Speaker 1: was the head coach when das Briant was released, but
Speaker 1: when when you look at it, it was des Briant
Speaker 1: went on. He had from like I believe it was
Speaker 1: like twenty twelve to twenty fourteen. Those three years des
Speaker 1: Brian was lights out. He was scoring and catching touchdowns,
Speaker 1: putting up big yards, and then after that it was
Speaker 1: kind of hit or miss. He he had three years
Speaker 1: and ROB believe he had a thousand yards. He didn't
Speaker 1: crack a thousand yards again in and out of the
Speaker 1: lineup because the injuries. He just wasn't able to get
Speaker 1: back to that level. And it was four years of that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like it was like, Okay, you got six
Speaker 1: hundred yards in twenty fifteen a thousand and twenty. He
Speaker 1: never got close to a thousand yards again. And it
Speaker 1: was four years after those three years where he really
Speaker 1: lit it up. I believe Jerry Jones got rid of him.
Speaker 1: But when you play for a head coach that's an
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, I think these coaches sometimes don't understand, like,
Speaker 1: if you're a good coach, you're going to teach us
Speaker 1: the game. Now that I know the game, don't get
Speaker 1: mad at me for knowing the game that you taught me.
Speaker 1: And so when I voice my opinion, whether I should
Speaker 1: voice it or not, I'm voicing the philosophies that you
Speaker 1: taught me. And if I think what you're saying isn't correct,
Speaker 1: should I not voice that? Because these philosophies are coming
Speaker 1: from you and what you have taught me. And that's
Speaker 1: what happens. Coaches, they teach you the game. As soon
Speaker 1: as you question what you've been taught, they don't question me. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you know. It's just that That's where I
Speaker 1: think it could be a disconnect. But Jason good was
Speaker 1: he not awful with New York? Oh my god? They
Speaker 1: were terrible? How can you be How can you be
Speaker 1: that bad? How can they be that bad? How can
Speaker 1: how can you have dudes running into each other in
Speaker 1: the middle of the season. And you know what's crazy,
Speaker 1: it's what they got dudes like they have dudes on
Speaker 1: that team that if you their receiving corps is really good.
Speaker 1: Player for player talent wise, they're really good, say Quin Parker,
Speaker 1: you don't know what he is yet coming back from
Speaker 1: his injury. Daniel Jones has shown flashes doun, they're awful
Speaker 1: on offense. Man Andre Freddy Kitchens uh come back with
Speaker 1: the magic that he had when they fired Hugh in
Speaker 1: Cleveland and when he had Baker. If he does that,
Speaker 1: it's really gonna make Jason Garrett look even worse. But
Speaker 1: the Giants were awful and Das Bryant just stated his
Speaker 1: opinion on Jason Garrett. If Freddie Kitchens turns us around,
Speaker 1: we gotta look at das Brian and say, oh, he's
Speaker 1: onto something. Doug gottlie TJA, husband's out of end for
Speaker 1: Dan the Dan that's this is Dan Patrick Show on
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. Um yeah, he uh he went does
Speaker 1: went on and said trash, I can't help people like
Speaker 1: to hear my thoughts about sports. I mean, dude, did
Speaker 1: coach my entire care or Trust me, I'm not the
Speaker 1: only one who feels the same way about him. The
Speaker 1: difference between me and a lot of people is, I
Speaker 1: don't sugarcoat ish. Guy sacrificed a lot and get misused, right,
Speaker 1: So it didn't feel like he was used any He
Speaker 1: did have an outstanding career, like a Ring of Honor,
Speaker 1: not Hall of Fame caliber career, but it is. It
Speaker 1: is fascinating. Let's let's bring in George Reister. Of course
Speaker 1: he's a full RNFL tight end. Oh we don't have okay,
Speaker 1: but he's a co host of Fox Football Sunday with
Speaker 1: Dan Bayer. That's Sunday five to eight Eastern time on
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio, also host of the Reichsterer or Wrong podcast.
Speaker 1: George will join us in a second. Did you how
Speaker 1: me and George Reister met no, man, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: It's a funny story. Obviously, he goes to Oregon. I
Speaker 1: go to Oregon State. We're in college. We're at a
Speaker 1: Red Robin. Dude, this is a true story. We're at
Speaker 1: rare Robin and I had just had my oldest daughter,
Speaker 1: so here I am a college student. I'm in there
Speaker 1: in Red Robin with my daughter in her car seat,
Speaker 1: my wife or who was my girlfriend at the time,
Speaker 1: and the waitress brings me a note in a note
Speaker 1: that's like talking trash to me, like we're gonna beat y'all,
Speaker 1: but but it's expletives this. We played Oregon that week,
Speaker 1: and I said, who sent this to you? I take
Speaker 1: a peek over there. It's like three guys from working.
Speaker 1: So I told my girlfriend, I said, take take the
Speaker 1: car seat, go to the car. I'm about to run
Speaker 1: up on these dudes. And so I go over there,
Speaker 1: like I'm like, they go probably would me, but I'm
Speaker 1: for sure get one of them. I go over there.
Speaker 1: George Reisters one of them. Dude. It's so funny. He
Speaker 1: was like, oh, here's a freshman. Oh man, I'm just
Speaker 1: having fun. Like I was so angry that I couldn't
Speaker 1: be angry because he was laughing about the old time.
Speaker 1: I'm just having fun, man, I didn't mean no harm.
Speaker 1: I'm just a freshman having fun. I know we played
Speaker 1: y'all this week. That was my introduction to George Reister,
Speaker 1: thinking I'm about to fight him in Red Robbing and
Speaker 1: here he is a freshman and just having fun. George,
Speaker 1: that is that accurate at Red Robin? Yes, that is
Speaker 1: a That's exactly the way that played out. Red Robin
Speaker 1: kind of underrated by the way. I just just point out,
Speaker 1: I'm not a sponsor of the show. I just like
Speaker 1: Red Robin. Good Burgher's like, right, like a good that's
Speaker 1: a good you know what, You're gonna get a good
Speaker 1: sit down burger deal. Yeah. Yeah, and you And at
Speaker 1: that point in time in Eugene, there weren't a ton
Speaker 1: of options either, so so it was there or Olive Garden,
Speaker 1: you know that was, or organ Electric Station if you
Speaker 1: wanted to get a you know, a nice meal. Georgia. Um,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett gets let go. TJ said, basically, the Giant's
Speaker 1: offense is a joke. Um, how much of it is? Garrett?
Speaker 1: Oh God, I mean on some level, right, But but
Speaker 1: you you have to look at the whole, the whole
Speaker 1: organization from from a top down there general manager Dave Gettlman,
Speaker 1: he's been a disaster since he's I mean, they haven't
Speaker 1: put together a great roster, they haven't drafted well. Quine
Speaker 1: can't can't stay hell, Daniel Daniel Jones has been yo yoing.
Speaker 1: That's gonna make it hard for anybody to win. I mean,
Speaker 1: and Jason Garrett, if you look his offense in Dallas
Speaker 1: put up points. So so it's hard to think that
Speaker 1: it's that it's exclusively him and not Joe Judge's program.
Speaker 1: So when when when you look at it the situation
Speaker 1: in New York, do you think Freddy Kitchens can recreate
Speaker 1: that magic that he did in Cleveland with Baker when
Speaker 1: he was promoted to the OC. I mean no, because
Speaker 1: I don't think that. Okay, I'm not a huge Baker guy, right,
Speaker 1: I think Baker is a pretty that he what he's
Speaker 1: put on films so far has been pretty average and
Speaker 1: some but low average stuff. And when you have to,
Speaker 1: you know, scheme around a quarterback and say, look, as
Speaker 1: long as we can keep him around twenty five past
Speaker 1: attempts a game, that's going to be the best version
Speaker 1: of him that lets you know that you do not
Speaker 1: have an elite quarterback or an elite system. And the
Speaker 1: New York Giants are going to have to do something
Speaker 1: similar to that with with Daniel Jones. But the difference
Speaker 1: is is that the Giants don't have the same offensive
Speaker 1: line that the Cleveland Browns do, so they can't, you know,
Speaker 1: just hand the ball to say Kwon Barkley twenty times
Speaker 1: a game and then and then at the end of
Speaker 1: the game, he's gonna have one hundred and fifteen yard.
Speaker 1: So this is this is the case of Jason Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett was the every coach has the one the one
Speaker 1: time that they can pull together out of jail free
Speaker 1: card and far the opposite coordinator or fire the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: And when you do that, you've essentially started the clock
Speaker 1: on your own firing. And that's where you know, and
Speaker 1: that's where Joe Judge is, even though he's only in
Speaker 1: his second year. The NFL wants not necessarily microwave results,
Speaker 1: but this team doesn't seem to be getting any better.
Speaker 1: George Reiser joining us here on the Dan Patrick Show
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. What do you do if you're Seattle,
Speaker 1: Like I think all of us would say, like, Russell's
Speaker 1: been amazing and he's carried that team, right, he doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to want to be there. It feels like Pete
Speaker 1: Carroll's out of steam, out of gas. And then they
Speaker 1: haven't drafted. Well, so you got GM, you got coach,
Speaker 1: you got quarterback. But a quarterback is the hardest to replace.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, he's the most valuable if you
Speaker 1: want to move him to try and regenerate this thing. George,
Speaker 1: I put you as the owner of the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 1: What do you do to fix that thing? Oh? Man,
Speaker 1: oh man, you you can't. You can't treat this like that.
Speaker 1: You would treat you know, a family where where somebody's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: we're just staying. We're just staying for the kids at
Speaker 1: this point. And you know, we got to get him
Speaker 1: through college and then we'll break up. No, absolutely not, man,
Speaker 1: this team. If I'm the owner, yeah, I've seen I've
Speaker 1: seen enough. I mean, Russ, if you don't want to
Speaker 1: be be here, all right, man, go we will get
Speaker 1: you to where you want to be, just just as
Speaker 1: long as they compensate us fairly on the on the
Speaker 1: back end. But but you can go and have at it,
Speaker 1: enjoy yourself. And Pete, Pete Carroll, he does seem like
Speaker 1: he's out of gas. He's an older man, and he's
Speaker 1: a he's a guy who needs a new challenge. When
Speaker 1: he left us USC, yes there were scandals and and
Speaker 1: and gentalty coming, but he was out of gas that
Speaker 1: he was ready for a new challenge and Pete Carroll's
Speaker 1: new challenge. Actually, I mean, this man't work out perfectly
Speaker 1: for USC because they would happily have him, have him back,
Speaker 1: and he may be like, all right, man, I'm good,
Speaker 1: I'm done. I'll go back to college and get a
Speaker 1: fresh fresh start and try to recreate the magic again.
Speaker 1: So if I'm the owner, dude, I gotta I gotta start.
Speaker 1: I gotta start over, head coach, let sell my most
Speaker 1: valuable asset, which is Russell Wilson. The way I can
Speaker 1: start over and then see what the hell I can
Speaker 1: get for Jamal Adams, because as good as he was
Speaker 1: with New York Jet, he's not been that same guy
Speaker 1: that they traded two first round picks for it. Man,
Speaker 1: it's so much to just talk about what you you trade. Russell,
Speaker 1: there's not a head coach that wants that job, and
Speaker 1: so they get assets. Pete Curll and the Seattle Seahawks
Speaker 1: they haven't shown that they can draft guys that can contribute.
Speaker 1: So getting assets for Russell does what it gives. It
Speaker 1: gives a new coach hope. That's what That's what it gives.
Speaker 1: It gives them a hope because if if he can say, all, right,
Speaker 1: look these guys haven't drafted well, but now we've got
Speaker 1: a bunch of draft picks, I'll do better. Because you know,
Speaker 1: all coaches think that they have the magic sauce, the
Speaker 1: magic knowledge that's gonna put them in that's going to
Speaker 1: allow them to win when the last guy couldn't. So
Speaker 1: if if he gets some control over the draft picks,
Speaker 1: oh god, there will be coaches that take that job
Speaker 1: because it's a great fan base. If you do well,
Speaker 1: they will support you and treat you almost similar to
Speaker 1: the way the Pittsburgh Steelers do, where they're not just
Speaker 1: gonna go fire and a head coach because of a
Speaker 1: bad season. They're gonna be very patient and you know,
Speaker 1: and give you an opportunity to win. And so so
Speaker 1: the hope is the most important thing as opposed to
Speaker 1: you know what what you have on that team. I mean,
Speaker 1: look at the New York Jets. Robert Robert Sala and
Speaker 1: other people were lining lining up to take that job.
Speaker 1: And that is after that's even rasterwise. Absolutely, Doud George h.
Speaker 1: Do you think the Kansa City Chiefs are back? Yes?
Speaker 1: I proclaimed them back to t J you better stop it. Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: when we think of the Chiefs, what do we think
Speaker 1: of how they beat us? Scoring points? Okay, they got
Speaker 1: to score points, but ahead, yeah, hey they are here.
Speaker 1: They got their mojo back, baby, oh bhave that's that's
Speaker 1: what you say about the Kansas City Chiefs. All the
Speaker 1: rest of the teams in the AFC performed so poorly
Speaker 1: that they left them after what a three and four start,
Speaker 1: get back in it and get back in first place.
Speaker 1: They got their swagger back. Because what happened with the
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs in the beginning of the season was
Speaker 1: is that Patrick Mahomes in particular, like if you notice,
Speaker 1: like he was always living living in the margins, you know,
Speaker 1: like a half inch here, half inch there, just making
Speaker 1: a pass that you know where he's throwing it in
Speaker 1: a shoebox, and then he was missing the shoebox by
Speaker 1: like a foot, and then that was turning into interceptions.
Speaker 1: And now he had to put a governor on himself
Speaker 1: just a little bit the way he hold up let
Speaker 1: me let me not play this to live in the margins,
Speaker 1: I actually have to change my game now and and
Speaker 1: evolved because that's the same thing that Brady does. Brady
Speaker 1: with with with Randy Moss was different than than him
Speaker 1: with Dion Branch and the rest of the crew was
Speaker 1: different than he was with Julian Edelman and the after
Speaker 1: those guys like sometimes he was a dinky dunk quarterback
Speaker 1: and won a Super Bowl and sometimes different guys. My
Speaker 1: homes is playing with the same guys year after year.
Speaker 1: Um except for there because if you look at uh teacher,
Speaker 1: I think you'll you will agree with me. As good
Speaker 1: as uh Tyreek Hill is, I don't think he's a
Speaker 1: true number one wide receiver. I think that he needs
Speaker 1: somebody else on the outside to be able to compliment
Speaker 1: him the way then he can go through his thing,
Speaker 1: which is take the top off the defense. And if
Speaker 1: Kansas City can have another wide wide receiver and run
Speaker 1: the ball well, then then those linebackers have to have
Speaker 1: to honor and they can't keep two high safeties up.
Speaker 1: They got to bring somebody down in the box to
Speaker 1: try to stop the run or to try to help, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, double cover the true number one wide wide receiver,
Speaker 1: which was you know, they had Sammy Sammy walking in
Speaker 1: the other guys and that helped them out. And this
Speaker 1: year they're not getting that from Nicole Hardman. So that's
Speaker 1: where the Again City Chiefs have had to adjust their
Speaker 1: game and that's why they're winning. Now. Well, that's why everybody,
Speaker 1: everybody got to get paid, and that's why something's got
Speaker 1: to go. I mean, Sammy was probably their fourth option.
Speaker 1: But I understand, I understand what you're saying, kind of
Speaker 1: in Layman's terms. For me. I just they don't run,
Speaker 1: They can't and don't run the football, and they choose
Speaker 1: not that to go with that underneath. Andy Reid has
Speaker 1: always been that way, has he? I know? Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's always And I'll say this, Tarry Kill like, I
Speaker 1: don't think he does. I don't think I know he
Speaker 1: doesn't get the respect that his game warrants. Like people
Speaker 1: look at Terrey Hill and say, oh man, he's so fast.
Speaker 1: Terry Kill is fast, He's quick, he can get down
Speaker 1: the field, he can run routes and create separation, but
Speaker 1: all we see is the big play. Terry Hill is
Speaker 1: one of the best receivers in the league because he
Speaker 1: can do everything. He's not as tall and so he
Speaker 1: doesn't get the credit that he deserves because he's so fast.
Speaker 1: But he's actually a complete receiver. We just don't put
Speaker 1: him in a DeAndre Hopkins DeVante Adams category, but he
Speaker 1: should be up there because his impact and the way
Speaker 1: he can affect the game is the same. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: agree with that, but TJ, would you agree that that
Speaker 1: he's also as good as he is as good of
Speaker 1: a route route runner and all that stuff. That the
Speaker 1: fact that they don't have another guy who can just
Speaker 1: run and get open one on one on one puts
Speaker 1: more pressure on Tarik which which which means that they
Speaker 1: can keep a safety over the top much much more
Speaker 1: because or lean the safety and chase the safety to
Speaker 1: that to that side because they don't believe the other
Speaker 1: guy can get open. George, great stuff man, Thanks for
Speaker 1: joining us. George Reister. Check out the Reister a wrong podcaster.
Speaker 1: Here him on Fox Football on They with Dan Bayer.
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Speaker 1: The best. Appreciate you joining us and Happy Thanksgiving. Yep,
Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving to you guys. To man. The Pro Football
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame announced their semi finalists for next year's
Speaker 1: induction class. I'm gonna I'm gonna just do spitball at TJ.
Speaker 1: Just give him the name and he'll tell me in
Speaker 1: or out. That's how I'm coming next. That's gonna be fun.
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Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so the semifinalists
Speaker 1: for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, TJ. I've been announced. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna spitball the names of some first
Speaker 1: year eligible guys and you tell me, because the way
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame should work is like either in
Speaker 1: or out right, like there's no real you don't be
Speaker 1: You're not a not a Hall of Famer, not a
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Not a Hall of Famer. Okay, now
Speaker 1: you're a Hall of Famer, right, that doesn't really work
Speaker 1: right crazy? Okay, maybe numbers wise, that can't get you
Speaker 1: in the first year, but really you should be a
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Okay, Devin Hester is he? Is he
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer special teamer? Yes? Can best special
Speaker 1: teamer to ever play? Is he? Here? Here's here's the
Speaker 1: argument again. Yes, but the reason is because most guys
Speaker 1: who are great return guys, they're more valuable elsewhere, so
Speaker 1: you don't keep them at return guy their entire career.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. So I guess I'll say no.
Speaker 1: Then I talked to you out of it that quick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a great point. I mean because I always thought
Speaker 1: Devin Hester, like God, he's so good with the balls
Speaker 1: in his hand, with the ball in his hands, why
Speaker 1: I don't play on my receiver board exactly. But no, man,
Speaker 1: he the dude was fantastic as a kick off a
Speaker 1: part returner. I mean he he was fantastic. No, it's great,
Speaker 1: it's it was great. And I don't know. Here's one.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we'll ever have one at all again,
Speaker 1: because of the way the rules are set up. You
Speaker 1: can't form a wedge, you can't double team. For some reason,
Speaker 1: the kickers were just way stronger. They kicking the ball
Speaker 1: out the end zone. Now when I was playing, I
Speaker 1: mean you were getting the ball right at the goal
Speaker 1: line a three yard I mean they're kicking it all
Speaker 1: the way through. But yeah, we won't see it again.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, you know what if kickers can get
Speaker 1: in because they're specialists, and punters can get in because
Speaker 1: they're specialists. Devin Hester was a specialist. He was the
Speaker 1: best return guy the league of scene. Yeah he should
Speaker 1: be in. Okay, so he's in, he's out. He's in,
Speaker 1: he's out. By the way, Dion Sanders was better. He
Speaker 1: just didn't stay at return man his entire career. Okay.
Speaker 1: And Quan Bolden and Kuan Bolden. Now, Quana guy played
Speaker 1: has played a little quarterback. He became. He became a
Speaker 1: great possession wide receiver. He was super physical, He was
Speaker 1: a winner, really well respected. Um huge huge numbers, but
Speaker 1: a lot of stat accumulation. More so than just like
Speaker 1: one incredible year a Quon Bolden Hall of Famer. Now,
Speaker 1: when you asked me about receivers, I just go to
Speaker 1: one thing, where they better than Chad. No, Andre Johnson.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it was better than Chad, but at
Speaker 1: least equal. Yes, DeMarcus Ware, Yes, Vince wilferk mhmm. That's tough.
Speaker 1: Not this year, so then no, he did not be
Speaker 1: this year? Then no, Steve Steve Smith wide receiver, Steve Smithy. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know about I think TV. I think TV would.
Speaker 1: I think TV might help him. I think it. It
Speaker 1: won't help him this year, but I think it. Amas
Speaker 1: Steve has great stats. But he played I want to
Speaker 1: say fifteen sixteen years and I mean he was also
Speaker 1: a good returner. But Steve, because Steve was small height wise,
Speaker 1: but he was so tough, so fast, made two in
Speaker 1: and out of rouse. He was incredible. I mean it
Speaker 1: was his mentality. Man, that dude has a mentality. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was gonna fight anybody. Teammate nine teammate didn't care. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he didn't care. I'm laughing yet because I know Steve.
Speaker 1: I mean he did have he did have Jake Dilomas
Speaker 1: as quarter, but it wasn't like he had Marino back
Speaker 1: there slinging into him. He was just a playmaker. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get in he'll he'll get in for sure. Just
Speaker 1: Robert mathis no. Wow, it's a quick no, a quick note.
Speaker 1: That wasn't even the thought quick no. All right, So
Speaker 1: all the wide receivers except for my bolden get in.
Speaker 1: You know what my philosophy is when it comes to
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. And if they did it this way,
Speaker 1: it would be easy. If you weren't a top five
Speaker 1: player for three to four years over the course of
Speaker 1: your career. I have I have, I have a got
Speaker 1: on for you. We'll talk about that. Plus, Lebron had
Speaker 1: two fans ejected. Do we like that