1 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory. 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: Jim Hayes, alongside Lance Lynn, Matt Holliday, Kyle Gibson had 3 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: other business to attend to, but with us today Cardinal 4 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: starting pitcher Matthew Libertore and I think it's a real treat. 5 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: Hello Matthew. How are you? 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: I'm doing well? 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 3: Thank you guys for having me on. Hey you can 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 3: say Happy New Year. You haven't talked to him till today, 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 3: so that's fine. 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, Happy New Year, Happy New Year. All right. 11 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: So, yeah, it was great last year eight and twelve 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: as a starter four point twenty one era. Your first 13 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,959 Speaker 1: full year as a starter, you had twenty nine starts. 14 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: There were some ups and downs, this happens every season. 15 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: A little issue with VLO that you said wasn't necessarily physical, 16 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: it was mechanical. So my first question, and I think 17 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: Lance would back this up that it's. 18 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 4: A brilliant one. 19 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: What is your takeaway from your first full season starting games? 20 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, last year did a lot of learning, probably more 21 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: than I ever had in my career before. I think 22 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: one of the biggest things from me was adding on 23 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: a few extra pounds just to give myself some more durability, 24 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: you know, coming out of that relief roll in twenty 25 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 2: four having thrown like eighty six eighty seven innings and 26 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 2: then jumping all the way up to one hundred and 27 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 2: fifty two the following year, I just felt like I 28 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: wanted to add a little more durability to my body, 29 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: and so I've done that this offseason, and then just 30 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 2: making sure that my mechanics are dialed in. 31 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 5: And know. 32 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: What kind of things I can do to get myself 33 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: back into a good spot if I were to fall 34 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 2: out of sink again, because I don't. I think it 35 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: would be foolish to think that that will never happen again, 36 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: or that will never feel that way again. So really 37 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: just creating some systems and some strategies to help me 38 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: better deal with it the next time I face it. 39 00:01:58,280 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 4: We've talked about this earlier this year. 40 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 3: Everyone talks about, Hey, what you saw from Libby's first 41 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 3: year starting compared to this, and that people don't understand, 42 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 3: like you can start all through the minor leagues. What 43 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 3: was the difference from like hey, in the minor leagues 44 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 3: to the big league day in and day out rotation 45 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 3: compared to like that physical grind, mental grind. You can 46 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 3: do all the what your probably most starts you ever 47 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 3: had in the minor leagues was twenty five to twenty 48 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 3: seven in a season. But it's still different. Even though 49 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 3: you know you're only gonna have thirty to thirty three 50 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 3: if you do a full year, it's still a different 51 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 3: type of grind. Can you explain a little bit of 52 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 3: the things that you learn that you can make it 53 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 3: even better in year two of fully doing it? 54 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the best way I could 55 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: describe the difference is, you know, I got to start 56 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: the future game when I was in the minor leagues, 57 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 2: and I feel like every start in the big leagues 58 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 2: was similar to that feeling up that start, which is 59 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: one start that whole year as a triple A player, 60 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: And so you know, there's four thousand fans in the 61 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: stadium every night, You're playing meaningful games every night against 62 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: the absolute best competition in the entire world. So the 63 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 2: stakes are definitely heightened, the expectations are heightened, and uh, 64 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: it's a lot more stressful on the body and on 65 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: the mind than throwing them minor league games, for sure. Uh. 66 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 2: You know, I think I've put a lot of time 67 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: and effort into the mental side of the game this 68 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 2: aw season. Uh. You know, I have a mental skills 69 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: coach that I work with. We're extremely organized. Uh, trying 70 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 2: to do as much visualization as possible. Really, just trying 71 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: to put myself mentally in those positions before I ever 72 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: have to be in them, so that when I when 73 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: I do face those circumstances. Uh, you know, it doesn't 74 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: feel like it's the first time when it's taken me 75 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: by surprise. You know, I want to step on that 76 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: ound the first game of the year and feel like 77 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 2: it's the thousands. It's the thousandth time that I'm there 78 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: in that game already. So there've been a big emphasis 79 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: on the mental side of things as well as the 80 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: physical and mechanical side of things. 81 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: Also some changes for the Cardinals starting rotation. Sonny Gray 82 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: traded away that bringing dustin May now you're a guy 83 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: though with the years you've been at it, you were 84 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: in the bullpen before you became a starter. Uh, is 85 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: there more of a leadership role for you? 86 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 4: Do you think? 87 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: I know, you guys got great coaches. You know, Dusty 88 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: is a great pitching coach, But does that kind of 89 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: kind of add to what's put on your plate to 90 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: be sort of a leader, because probably gonna be. And 91 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: there's other veterans in the mix too, but there's gonna 92 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: be some young guys in there. 93 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely gonna be the youngest clubhouse I've ever 94 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 2: been a part of. You know, we don't have anybody 95 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: like lyonce who has been around and done this for 96 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: a very long time, has so much knowledge and wisdom 97 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: and you know, has really just seen all the different 98 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: sides of this game. 99 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 4: You know. 100 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 2: Fortunately for me in my short career so far, I 101 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 2: feel like I've I've had a lot of experience with 102 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 2: different things, and I've gone through a lot of different 103 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: things which I think can provide some value for or 104 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 2: some guys that might go through something similar. So, you know, 105 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: if I'm able to help in any way, I'd obviously 106 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 2: love to step into that role. I'm by no means 107 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: am I going to call myself a bit or say that, 108 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: you know, I should be the leader of the clubhouse. Yeah. 109 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: I want everybody as a group to be better than 110 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 2: they were yesterday, and so if there's a role that 111 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 2: I can step into that helps facilitate that somewhat, you know, 112 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: I'm all for it. 113 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 4: No, that's awesome. 114 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 3: I mean you're looking at well, Jim as you know, 115 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 3: you're looking at a spot where you've got dm A 116 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: coming in who's obviously known as being a great guy. 117 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 3: You got a good group of young guys that you've 118 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 3: come up with or that you've been able to be 119 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 3: a part of them coming up to the big leagues 120 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 3: with what are you looking forward to as being a 121 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 3: part of a deep staff this year but also a 122 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 3: staff that's all trying to truly establish themselves of every 123 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 3: day the ability to make starts every five days and 124 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 3: being part of that. Have you talked to Dusty a 125 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 3: little bit about, Hey, this is what I experienced last year, 126 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 3: this is what I'm going to you know, hoping to 127 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 3: improve on this year, and then how that can help 128 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 3: the guys around you, whether it's McGreevy or whether it's 129 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 3: Leahy going to transfer, you know, maybe in to get 130 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 3: some starts this year. So you're kind of a guy 131 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 3: who's done it all so far in a short period 132 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 3: of time. You got the short end of the stick 133 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 3: at times too, kind of like Layy did. So I 134 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 3: think there's a you know, and it even Polante's dealt 135 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 3: with some of the same things you've dealt with too, 136 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 3: So you guys have a I guess McGreevy has too, 137 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: if you start looking at the way everybody's been bounced 138 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 3: around and done stuff. So you guys got a group 139 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 3: of people that want to prove that you belong in 140 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: rotations and that everyone knows you. 141 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 4: Guys have that ability. 142 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 3: How are you guys going to kind of bond together 143 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 3: here to make sure everybody is porn in the same direction. So, hey, 144 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,679 Speaker 3: we belong here and we can we can help carrying 145 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 3: his staff as this group. 146 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, first and foremost, I think we've got 147 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: a bunch of guys that do believe in themselves and 148 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 2: do believe that they are bigly starting the church, which 149 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 2: I think is a great place to start from. I 150 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 2: think having a group of relatively younger guys, you know, Dustine, 151 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: maybe maybe a year or two older than some of us, 152 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: but having a group of relatively younger guys, I think 153 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: it's gonna be good because they bring a certain hunger, 154 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: you know. Besides Dustin, I wouldn't say that anybody in 155 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: our our rotation has been doing this for a very 156 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: long time and so you have a lot of guys 157 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: that are really looking to establish themselves and make a 158 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: name for themselves and really define what their role is 159 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: in that rotation, including myself. Uh. And I think that 160 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 2: that can be a really fun place to work from 161 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: and grow from because there's competition amongst us, and not 162 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: that we're competing against each other, but you know, we're 163 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: all pushing each other to be the best version of 164 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: ourselves possible. And I think that that's a really good 165 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: breeding ground for growth and development. 166 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: I think we brought this up last week on the 167 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: show Lance. I'm pretty sure on the last show we did. 168 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: But opening day starter, I think it means a lot 169 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: to fans. I don't know if it means a lot 170 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: to younger pictures. But your name was drawn out maybe 171 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: May does. 172 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 4: It means a lot of every starting picture Jim? 173 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: So does it matter to you, if be honest with us, 174 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: do you want to be the Cardinals opening day Starter? 175 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: I think that's a fair question. 176 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not gonna lie on it and make something 177 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: I've thought about since the season ended. You know, whether 178 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 2: that that honor is given to me or not is 179 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 2: not one hundred percent in my control. But I'd be 180 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: lying if I'm sad if I said that I'm not 181 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 2: doing everything in my power to force their hand on that. 182 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, and Jim, you don't want you don't want any 183 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 4: other answer to be said than that right there. 184 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 3: That tells you what kind of competitor Libby is, but 185 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 3: also what he believes his abilities are. He believes that 186 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 3: he's an ace and he has a stuff and we've saw, 187 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 3: as he said, we saw times of that last year 188 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 3: when he was able to do it. But that's the 189 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 3: growing process, is how can we sustain it for thirty 190 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 3: plus starts throughout a year and he's doing the things 191 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 3: that he needs to do mentally, My question would be 192 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 3: going forward physically, when you're talking about pitch usage and stuff, 193 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 3: is that Is there anything that was glaring that you 194 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 3: and the industry and the pitching staff coaches have talked 195 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 3: about this offseason that might be able to make maybe 196 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 3: things uptick. Maybe a righty or a lefty maybe help 197 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: you get through games a little easier. Is there anything 198 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 3: that's kind of stuck out that might be a thing 199 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 3: going into spring training? 200 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, I know my slaughter is going to 201 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: be my best wipeout pitch against right handed hitters. And 202 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 2: I'll try and get into this without giving away too 203 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: many secrets in case any competition is watching. 204 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 4: But good idea. I like that. 205 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: I that a little on the second half. It turned 206 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: into a kind of a blended cutter for me, and 207 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 2: I lost a lot of swing and miss because of that. 208 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 2: So really making sure that I'm homed in on that 209 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: shape and what that feels like coming out of my 210 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 2: hand to start the year, I think is going to 211 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 2: be very beneficial for me. And then there is a 212 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: potential extra pitch in the works now that I think 213 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 2: could help me quite a bit against right handed hitters. 214 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 2: I'll break it out in spring this year, but Ivan 215 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 2: Thurning both pends this offseason so far, and I think 216 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: that it could it could really be a weapon for me. 217 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, don't give a scouting report on that, but that's 218 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: good news that you've expanded the repertoire. We're going to 219 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: take a break right here. You're watching Cardinal Territory on 220 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network. 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Number goals, 245 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: and if they are could you share them with us? 246 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: Dude, I think the way I look at goal setting 247 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: is maybe a little different how other people do. I 248 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: wouldn't say that I choose numbers to look at by 249 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 2: the end of the season. I think that can be 250 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 2: somewhat missing At times. I try and judge my outings 251 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 2: based off of what we call on execution journal, And 252 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,599 Speaker 2: so you know, every pitch, the only thing that you 253 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 2: have the ability to control is deciding what to throw 254 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 2: in your commitment to throwing it, and then your ability 255 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 2: to execute on that commitment. And so I'll go back 256 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: through every outing after and do this journal where I 257 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 2: watch each pitch and I think about what I wanted 258 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: to do with that pitch, where I wanted to throw it, 259 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,719 Speaker 2: what the plan was, and did I execute or did 260 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 2: I not? And so you know, if I can maintain 261 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 2: above a seventy percent execution rate outing after outing, I'm 262 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: usually in a pretty good spot. And we will track 263 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 2: and one on one counts two I started tracking two 264 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: strike kill counts a little bit last year, but that's 265 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 2: how i'd judge it. And so I'd say, I have 266 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 2: a threashold that I would like to stay abolved throughout 267 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 2: the course of the season, and I think that if 268 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: I do that, the numbers will take care of themselves. 269 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, now that's a good way to do it. Back 270 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 3: when I was coming up, Jim, you're asking him, is 271 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 3: it what's your numbers? I want to make thirty three starts, 272 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 3: I want to throw two hundred innings, and I want 273 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 3: to win fifteen games. Right, those were kind of the 274 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 3: ideas of the old days when you came up. But 275 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 3: the way your process oriented, which I don't think fans 276 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 3: understand some of it, some of them do, like old fans. 277 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 3: If you do what you're talking about right now, you're 278 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 3: going to look up at the end of the year, 279 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 3: you're going to be above five hundred pitcher with ten 280 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 3: plus wins, with you know, your one hundred and eighty 281 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 3: plus innings and your thirty plus starts. Because it's processed 282 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 3: day to day. You're a very process oriented person. Is 283 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 3: there anything that you've done to kind of I see 284 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 3: that you've you've added some things, right, You've added a 285 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 3: layer of it post start and all that too, which 286 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 3: is great for you because I feel like sometimes you 287 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 3: were a throat, you would go throw through things instead 288 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 3: of maybe using these abilities to think through things so 289 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 3: you don't have to throw as much to feel it. 290 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 3: I think you've gotten to the point now I'm hoping 291 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 3: or while we're talking, right, it's like, Okay, I know 292 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 3: what I struggled with my last start. Does that make 293 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 3: sense because I went through my postgame, my check my 294 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 3: checklist or whatever. Now is it, Hey, I can go 295 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 3: concentrate on these strows and I don't have to overthrow 296 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 3: to get to where I need to do. So hopefully 297 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 3: as the season goes on this year, it goes into, hey, 298 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 3: we don't have the dip, right, that's the big thing. 299 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 3: We don't want to worry about the dip, so we 300 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 3: can kind of slowly here and then we just keep 301 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 3: kind of slowly going up. Is that your hope that 302 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 3: going into this season with those processes that you've developed 303 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 3: over the last year. 304 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely. 305 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: I mean that in essence is the ultimate goal. You know, 306 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 2: I've always been a very hard worker, and I've always 307 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: been a big thinker, and I've always been process oriented, 308 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 2: but I've never been as organized as I am now, 309 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 2: So I think a lot of times when things didn't 310 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: go my way, I always thought that I could outwork 311 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 2: those problems. And while that might work in high school 312 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: and you're on a seven day routine or in the 313 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 2: minor leagues when you're pitching once maybe twice a week, 314 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: you can get away with a lot of that stuff. 315 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: But as we talked about earlier, there's a different stress 316 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 2: making them start every five or six days in the 317 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 2: big leagues in front of forty thousand fans against the 318 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 2: best hitters on the planet. So you know, the goal 319 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 2: of all my organization and the filters that I put 320 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 2: myself through after these outings is to help me narrow 321 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 2: down and really focus in on the things that do 322 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 2: need to be worked on, so that I'm not spinning 323 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: my tires working on things that I'm already doing a 324 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: really good job at and now I'm putting myself behind 325 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 2: the eight ball because I have to play catch up, 326 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: if that makes sense. 327 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: So, Libby, I want to thank you not only for 328 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: coming on but also showing us a different side of 329 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: Lance Linn. Now, I've known Lance for a long time, 330 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: his approach in terms of media, Gruff on this show 331 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: kind of kind of a wise guy, right, But with you, 332 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: I this is coach Lance linn Like, it's a different 333 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: softer Lance lin. So my question is what was Lance 334 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: like in the clubhouse working with the younger guys, because this, 335 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: for me is a real eye opener. 336 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 337 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: I think what you're seeing is what what you got 338 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: in the clubhouse. You know, I don't want to give 339 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: too much way, but I think that you know, Lance 340 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: is a big teddy bear and when he pitches, he's 341 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 2: the most intimidating dude on the planet. I would never 342 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 2: step in front of him. But Lance one of my 343 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 2: favorite people to go talk to. Him and Kyle Gibson. 344 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 2: I think we're both tremendous human beings and always wanting 345 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 2: to talk and give advice and talk about their experiences 346 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: and share what they know in an effort to try 347 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: and help us. And you know, I called Lance before 348 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 2: the start of the season last year when I got 349 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: put into the rotation. You know, I hadn't really done 350 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: much scouting work in my career before, and when I did, 351 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 2: it did not work very well for me. So we 352 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 2: spent like an hour and a half on the phone 353 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: before my first started the season, Latch, You're just figuring 354 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 2: out how I can look at hitters and how I 355 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 2: can make all the numbers make sense for me, and 356 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 2: how they can tell a story about who I'm facing 357 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: and what that means to me, and how what I 358 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 2: should throw based off of those things. 359 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 5: Uh. 360 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 2: And that was one of the most valuable conversations I 361 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: had the entire season, and that happened before I threw 362 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 2: the first pitch of the year. 363 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 4: We think he called you a teddy bear. 364 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 3: Teddy bear, that's fine when your your teammates are your brothers, man, 365 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 3: and that's you know. And then there's times when, well, 366 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 3: as we know, Libby did a better job at being 367 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 3: able to get that out of me than save. 368 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 4: Up Plante of the world. 369 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 3: And we loved Dre as much as you know anyone 370 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 3: can love Dre. But Dre likes to poke the bear, 371 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 3: and you'll get the bear Libby liked. Libby had the 372 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 3: ability to come to me and we're gonna get the 373 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 3: We'll get the teddy side of the bear, not the 374 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 3: not the grizzly. And that's where Palante would get the 375 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 3: grizzly more more because he kind of asked for it, 376 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 3: but Blonte likes that's what he wants. So But and 377 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 3: you know, every ed's Jim as you know, every guy 378 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 3: on your team, everybody talks a different language. And I 379 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 3: told Libby this last year, and I think I helped 380 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 3: him talk to Dusty and Dusty's language at times. Because 381 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 3: every coach, every player has their way of processing things 382 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 3: and the things that they think do things the right way. 383 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 3: You have to find your way, and then you have 384 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 3: to be able to understand other people's ways and then 385 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 3: be able to explain that. And that's the fun part 386 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 3: of pitching, and the fun part of competing is figuring 387 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 3: out what makes guys pick, how they process things, what 388 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 3: they think they're good at, how to stick with what 389 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 3: they're good at, and also how to always improve with 390 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 3: a little bit of pieces that you can day in 391 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 3: and day out, like Libby is doing. 392 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 4: And that's the beauty of it. 393 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 3: And that's why you know, we've talked so highly of 394 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 3: him here, Kyle and I have because we've seen the process. 395 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 4: Right when when Libby was in the bullpen. 396 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 3: He figured out why he was a good reliever, but 397 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 3: he was always picking brains on. Okay, how can I 398 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 3: translate this into starting? What's my process to do it 399 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 3: when I have to do it one out of every 400 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 3: five days, over and over again? And how can I 401 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 3: do those things? And he was doing this research while 402 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 3: he was getting people out in the bullpen. And that's 403 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 3: the thing that I loved about him. He always knew, hey, 404 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 3: I have the starter stuff. I know my job right 405 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 3: now is to get really or get people out in 406 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 3: the bullpen. But I'm going to be a starter because 407 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 3: I have that ability, So why not learn as I'm 408 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 3: doing both? And that was one thing that I really 409 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 3: enjoyed being his teammate and watching him go through those processes. 410 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 3: And I was able to do it as a young 411 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 3: kid myself starting in the bullpen, so I had a 412 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 3: little bit of background in that, so it made it 413 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 3: fun to, you know, kind of see and coach people 414 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 3: through that. 415 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: And I've seen from Litty like he's always been like 416 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: a mature guy, even when he was a younger player 417 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: when he first came up. He had an aura of 418 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: maturity about him. But I wonder, so last year was 419 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: a big year for you, your first time as a 420 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: full time starting pitcher. You learned that and now it's 421 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: a different team, it's a younger team, part of a reset, 422 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: and they're looking at you as front of the rotation guy. 423 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: How do you look at this season? For you going 424 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: into it and doesn't feel any any different than maybe 425 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: going into last season. 426 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, that's that's a way that 427 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 2: I want to carry and then I look forward to carrying, 428 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 2: you know, growing up, that's that's everything that I dreamed of. 429 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 2: So you know, I'm very excited for this year. And 430 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 2: as far as the group that we have, you know, 431 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: why not us? You know, you saw the Dbacks food 432 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 2: a few years ago or they had a super young group, 433 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 2: and you know, the beautiful thing about baseball is anybody 434 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 2: can went on any given day for any given reason. 435 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 2: And so you know, you put the right group together 436 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 2: that creates the right culture, and all of a sudden 437 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 2: you start playing a good brand of baseball. You know, 438 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: things can turn around real quick. So you know, you 439 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 2: can call it a rebuild. The front officers can call 440 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 2: it a rebuild or reset or whatever we want to do. 441 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 2: But I don't think anybody's showing up to spring cashing 442 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 2: in on the season already. I think we all want 443 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: to show up and compete. We all have personal reasons 444 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: to compete for and therefore we have reasons to compete 445 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 2: as a team too. So you know, I'm trying to 446 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 2: approach this with the idea that really anything can happen 447 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 2: if we if we put the right bricks in place 448 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 2: and line at us. 449 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: I got one more question before we let let me 450 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: get on with his day. If that's okay, Lance, and 451 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: it's about his boy, Nolan Gorman. 452 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 4: I know you guys are boys. 453 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: You talk about a young team, you talk about personal 454 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: reasons to want to compete and do well. So we 455 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen with Nolan Arnatto yet, 456 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: but clearly the Cardinals are looking to make a move 457 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: because they would like to see what Nolan Gorman can do. 458 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: And look, last year was a rough one. They were 459 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: good spots for him, but he was trying to stay 460 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: within the process that he believed in. Tell me something 461 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: about Nolan Gorman, what you expect from him and why 462 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: you believe that he will find it again? 463 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think for and foremost I know that he 464 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 2: deals with failure incredibly well. He's a guy where you know, 465 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 2: I've questioned at times like hey are you even upset, 466 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 2: you just struck out four times, and like you're able 467 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 2: to have a conversation with me, like I wouldn't be 468 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: able to sleep tonight. And what I've kind of learned 469 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 2: is that, say, probably one of his most admirable qualities 470 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 2: is his ability to just flush it and keep moving forward. So, yes, 471 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 2: we've seen the stretches of what he can do, and man, 472 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 2: it's so special and he does turn it on in 473 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 2: that way. But I think the most reassuring thing to 474 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: me is I haven't seen any of the struggles that 475 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 2: he's gone through really get to him or really affect 476 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 2: him in a way that I think would hurt his career. 477 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 2: And so you know, he's put in a ton of 478 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 2: work again this offseason. I think his swing is in 479 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 2: a great spot again this offseason, and I don't see 480 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 2: any reason why he can't come out and be the 481 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,239 Speaker 2: guy that we all know he can and that he 482 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 2: knows he can too. 483 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: Mabby, I appreciate you coming on and showing us the 484 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: softer side of lance Lynn. Lance I want to thank 485 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: you because you're actually coaching him, and I'm like, this 486 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: guy should be a coach somewhere. I think that'll happen somewhere. Oh, 487 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: it's because you're sitting on a pile of money. Gentlemen, 488 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,959 Speaker 1: it's been a pleasure, Libby. Thanks for making time, Lance, 489 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: thank you for being a teddy bear that's going to 490 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory. We'll see 491 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: you on the next episode. Hopefully that one won't suck.