1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody, Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky Rhett. 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 2: I feel like we were all just together because we 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: were we were last. 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 3: Night watching the watching the Super Bowl. I'm gonna go ahead, Buck. 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 4: I felt bad because I was walking out of the building. 7 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 5: I just read at the desk, just kind of hanging out, 8 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 5: like like when when they. 9 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 6: Just sitting there there. 10 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 7: You know, I was doing my best Chris Rose impression 11 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 7: for the the re air of our NFL Game Day Final, 12 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 7: which you know is done live from New Orleans. So 13 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 7: those guys shut the Superdome down. And when that gets 14 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 7: shut down, then I pop up and you hear my 15 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 7: voice every now and then on the re air of 16 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 7: NFL Game Day Finals. So I think I get a 17 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 7: I got a credit for that when it wins an Emmy. 18 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 3: So yeah, rightly, so rightfully. 19 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 4: So. 20 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 2: By the way, it's time for the lead block, presented 21 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: by Team Mobile for Business. Football needs a network willing 22 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: to go the extra yard. So do you go further 23 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: with T Mobile for Business, guys, I'm going open, I'm 24 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: going open floor here. We got a chance to watch 25 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: the game together discuss the game. But Buck, I'm curious, 26 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: now we've had a night to kind of sleep on 27 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: it and digest it, what stands out to you the most. 28 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 5: The thing that sends out is just telling over everything 29 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 5: just as we're debating the two teams leading up to 30 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 5: the thing. I think the back to back champion thing, 31 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 5: the three peat thing, the sixteen or seventeen one score 32 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 5: games and a row thing made everyone scared. 33 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 4: To go against the Kan City Chiefs. 34 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 5: But when you really looked at this and if you 35 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 5: did a tell of the tape, it was decidedly in 36 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 5: the eagles favor. 37 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 4: And last night we were. 38 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 5: Talking, I said, it kind of reminded me of when 39 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 5: Mike Tyson got knocked out by Buster Douglasy was fumbling 40 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 5: around for his mouthpiece, and I'm gonna go even farther 41 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 5: with that analogy. It reminded me of Mike Tyson taken 42 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 5: on the event to Holy Field when he bit his ear. 43 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 5: I felt like we saw the Kan City Chiefs act 44 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 5: out of character because very early in the game they 45 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 5: were over one filmed by the talent disparity between their 46 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 5: team and the Eagles, and I think it played into 47 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 5: the way that they played. 48 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 4: We've never seen the Kansa the Chiefs look like. 49 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 3: That, well once once once we have and Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 50 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 7: And that's what this that's what this felt like. This 51 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 7: felt like a team that did not have answers for 52 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 7: a more talented defensive front. I mean, you know they 53 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 7: I think in the second half we saw him try 54 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 7: to kind of chip a little bit more and a 55 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 7: couple of times actually ended up working against them, you know, 56 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 7: chip the edge into the center, Mahome steps up and 57 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 7: banging the interior. I mean, it was like anything that 58 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,119 Speaker 7: they tried, you know. That's what it also felt like too. 59 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 7: It was like, you know, it's like it's you know, 60 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 7: like trying to run up you know, you know, run 61 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 7: up a hill that's got water pouring down it. 62 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 4: You know. 63 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 7: It was just like just kind of fighting against it 64 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 7: everywhere everything they did. You know, even though like we 65 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 7: talked about it at the at our halftime show, you know, 66 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 7: like DeAndre Hopkins like it's a shot to put them 67 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 7: in fueld goal range to get some kind of positivity 68 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 7: before the end of the half, and guy with the 69 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 7: most sure hands maybe in the. 70 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 6: League over the course of his career, loses. 71 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 7: It, you know, just drops it, and you know that 72 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 7: again that adds to kind of the building frustration that 73 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 7: they go into the half the half with. But I 74 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 7: think ultimately DJ with this comes down to and then 75 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 7: for the purposes of what we do here, just extreme 76 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 7: roster construction in terms of developing and committing to the 77 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 7: defensive front. And that's really what showed up in a 78 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 7: large way. I mean you go down through the line. Mean, 79 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 7: you got three first round picks, which you know is 80 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 7: pretty dang good, right, Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith. 81 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 7: The later two obviously the ones that really showed up, 82 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 7: Brandon Lliams, well, Brandy Graham right of course another one 83 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 7: sure as part of the rotation, and then Milton Williams, 84 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 7: Moro Ojamo, You've got Jylex Hunt, who was you know, 85 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 7: like a firecracker coming off the edge, and this one 86 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 7: as a rookie you're throwing Josh Sweaten there as a 87 00:03:58,440 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 7: fourth round pick. 88 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 6: And it's just over the course of the last five. 89 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 7: Years, they've just been pounding that dedication to upgrading and 90 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 7: continuing to fortify that front. And I think that's one 91 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 7: of my favorite things when we get to the draft 92 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 7: is when you see teams you know, go in there 93 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 7: and continue to try to upgrade a position that is 94 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 7: already a perceived strength, right, because that's what allows you 95 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 7: to have this kind of depth and talent when you 96 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 7: get into big games like this. 97 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 3: Oh, I want to get to that point. 98 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 2: Because Jack, our buddy Jack Android, who does great research, 99 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: he had posted this. So think about the twenty four Eagles. 100 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: They lost a Hall of Fame center in Kelsey, six 101 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: time Pro Bowl defensive tackle in Fletcher Cox, their sack 102 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: leader in twenty two and twenty three, and Hassan Reddick. 103 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: They and he didn't write this, but they even missed 104 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 2: on Bryce Huff who they paid, and they still had 105 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: an abundance of riches of all the guys that you 106 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 2: just mentioned there. So it's never a problem solved, move 107 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: on to something else. It is a they are watering 108 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 2: that plant every single year. 109 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 3: Buck. 110 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 2: It is pass rush as offensive line, and they might 111 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: have some other needs, maybe we need to maybe we 112 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 2: need some bushes over it, but you know what, we're 113 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: gonna water these We're gonna water these ones every single year. 114 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 115 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 5: And it's not only that, like they're aggressive in everything 116 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 5: that they do because as much as we've talked about 117 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 5: the last day and a half about their offensive and 118 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 5: defensive lines, they've also made bold moves when it came 119 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 5: to upgrading the playmakers that they wanted. 120 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 4: Uh. You saw the trade that they made to acquire 121 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 4: A J. Brown. 122 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 5: They doubled down by making sure they had an elite 123 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 5: receiver that they drafted early in the draft. And DeVante 124 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 5: Smith you think about now, and Quinnan Mitchell first round cornerback. 125 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 4: They double up in the second round. 126 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 2: It feels like they've got first and second und players 127 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: at every position everywhere. 128 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 5: They realized what they lost when Chelsea Gardner Johnson departed, 129 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 5: So what they do They bring him back and pay him. 130 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 5: This is a team that I would say for all 131 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 5: of this stuff we talk about, Uh, their bold moved 132 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 5: whatever is, they quickly acknowledge their mistakes and they quickly 133 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 5: worked to repair them. 134 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 7: Let's talk for a moment though, about risk tolerance too, 135 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 7: because that's a part of this equation as well. Right, 136 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 7: you don't get Jalen Carter where they got Jalen Carter. 137 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 7: You know, if you aren't taking into account the entirety 138 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 7: of the player profile, which. 139 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 6: Is everyone knows had some significant things happen off the. 140 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 7: Field with the car situation, but they're able to get 141 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 7: comfortable enough with it and with the player, and they 142 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 7: bring in. 143 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 6: A support structure to help the player. 144 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 7: I mean, like it wasn't the same type of risk 145 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 7: with with Nolan Smith, but obviously enough for a talented 146 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 7: player like that to slip to him at the back 147 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 7: end of the first round. There was some risk there. 148 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 7: I mean ended up taking to Kobe Dean in the 149 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 7: third round. I would argue at that point, it's not 150 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 7: a risk. Is a really good player they ended up 151 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 7: getting in the third round because other teams weren't willing 152 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 7: to I think that that part of it too, is 153 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 7: kind of intriguing to see play out on this stage. 154 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 2: Well let's let's take those individually. Okay, Yeah, So Jalen 155 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: Carter had off the field issues. If you watch j 156 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 2: Carter's tape, he played with passion, energy, fire like and 157 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 2: you talk to people and do your background on him. Yes, 158 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: needs to grow up. There's some maturity stuff up. This 159 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: guy loves football like he is on the football field, 160 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: you'll see him. I remember a play I think it 161 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 2: was against Kentucky where he's chasing a play, you know, 162 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: thirty forty yards downfield. So he has some off the 163 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: field issues, but he loves football. Nolan Smith didn't have production. 164 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: Everybody was panicked, didn't have sack production. Well, if you 165 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: look at that situation, start, first of all, he loves football. 166 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: This guy plays with energy and passion. He's in a 167 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: rotation with the best defense in football where they blow 168 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: everybody out. So you're in a rotation, you're only gonna 169 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: play half the game anyways, and you're sharing snaps, your 170 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 2: production is not going to be there. You can look 171 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 2: at the whole picture here and see Nakobe Dean. He's undersized, 172 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: you know he's undersized. Well, guess what. He loves football again, 173 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 2: passionate leader and it ended up being Look, the size 174 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: issue got him this year. Maybe you could say that contributed, 175 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: maybe it didn't to his injury. When he was playing, 176 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: he was playing lights out. They have collected all these guys, 177 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: Buck that are they are football character Like there's we 178 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: talk about all the time. There's personal character and there's 179 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 2: football character football character wise on the field. Those guys 180 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 2: that I remember having this discussion, you know, I won't 181 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: mention the player, but as a player is going to 182 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: go on to be a Hall of Famer. 183 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 3: And that was. 184 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: Somebody had told me. A coach of his had said, look, 185 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: he's made mistakes. He you know, don't don't. I don't 186 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: doubt it for a second. But the threat of having 187 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 2: football taken away from him, you can mean he won't 188 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: be able to live without football. He loves football so 189 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: much that I think that will correct some of the 190 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 2: behavioral stuff that he struggled with. 191 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it's It's funny because a lot of us 192 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 5: always talk about, like, hey man, you want guys that 193 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 5: love it, that obsess over it. 194 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 4: They're committed and not just interested in the sport. 195 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 5: And when you talk about all of those guys, and 196 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 5: I've heard Syrian about it, I've heard other coaches talk 197 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 5: about it, like to play for us, they have to 198 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 5: love ball because what we're going to ask them to do, 199 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 5: you have to love it or you will fully embrace 200 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 5: all of the things that they're gonna ask you to do. 201 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 4: I told DJ read this. You may have been out 202 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 4: of the room. 203 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 5: I talked about watching the Eagles in pregame, and I 204 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 5: remember I was working with the Jags and I remember 205 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 5: coming to one of my colleagues like look at the difference, Like, look, 206 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 5: they're having a practice in pregame with the development of 207 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 5: the practice squad and the young guys, and they are 208 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 5: going when I mean they're coming off the field fully 209 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 5: lathered up. I was like wow on a Sunday. And 210 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 5: so what it told me is they're no Burger eaters 211 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 5: on that team, meaning guys that get on the trip 212 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 5: and just eat all the snacks and they're hanging out 213 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 5: on the sideline. 214 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 6: They're gonna work. 215 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody has to work. 216 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 5: And I think neary Nick Sirianne for all the things 217 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 5: that people have kind of taken them to task for 218 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 5: in terms of his personality and all those things, I 219 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 5: believe his pedigree is all over this Eagles team meaning 220 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 5: Mountain Union, three time national champion, played under a great 221 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 5: coach who has a winning tradition. You think about all 222 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 5: the things that he learned along the way, all of 223 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 5: that comes out. Rick Patino talked about how Nick Siriani 224 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 5: in Indianapolis because Nick wanted to know about how to 225 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 5: build a culture a winning environment. How he's always asking 226 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 5: those questions. I think the way that you see this 227 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 5: team play, it is a parent that they have high 228 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 5: standards and they get guys who really relish those standards 229 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 5: and expectations. 230 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 6: I think that's really interesting. 231 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 7: The other part of this is, you know, we talk 232 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 7: about the players, but I think, you know, we also 233 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 7: need to look at the power of position coaches in 234 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 7: this in this equation too. With the Philadelphia Eagles, you know, 235 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 7: you talk about bringing a group together and you might 236 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 7: be talking about two of the best in the league. 237 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 7: Talking about Clint Hurt who came over in twenty three 238 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 7: to run the defensive line senior defensive assistant and then 239 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 7: obvious Stoutland University with with coach Jeff Stoutland has has 240 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 7: you know, resurrected Makai Becton's career, has developed Jordan Mylotta 241 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 7: into a premier left tackle. You're talking about those interior 242 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 7: guys being a cohesive unit as well, with with Dickerson 243 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 7: and Cam Jurgen stepping in for a legend in Jason 244 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 7: Kelcey and win in a flip in Super Bowl in 245 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 7: the first year without him. Like, I think those two 246 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 7: in particular, not to say that the other guys you know, 247 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 7: don't meet that standard, because they certainly do, but man, 248 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 7: I mean what those guys have done with those units 249 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 7: in particular. Now, look, they've been given great talent, right, 250 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 7: but you got to develop it, and you got to 251 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 7: mold it and you gotta shape it. 252 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 6: I think that's important to know. 253 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 4: I want DJ to bring this up because we talked 254 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 4: about it last night. 255 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 5: He talked about how they are willing to draft guys 256 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 5: that are on the comp they're not quite fully realize 257 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 5: as prospects, but they understand it may take a year 258 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 5: or two for them to do it, and that I 259 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 5: believe is combined with what they have as a coaching staff. 260 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 4: We always talk about coaches. 261 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 5: In today's game, oh man, guys aren't developing like you 262 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 5: got to have a finished product. The Philadelphia Eagles are 263 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 5: not afraid of coaching unrefined prospects. 264 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 4: They have a plan. 265 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 5: In place that if there may be a year or 266 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 5: two out, they're okay with that. All the guys that 267 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 5: you mentioned on the offensive line, those guys weren't ready 268 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 5: to play when they got there, but they afforded the 269 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 5: luxury of sitting a year or two behind a really 270 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 5: good offensive line. To me, is everything that works together. 271 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 5: It's the front office, the coaching staff, and the players. 272 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 5: They all are in lockstep in terms of they know 273 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 5: exactly what they want to get, what fits their environment, 274 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 5: and then their coaches and front office understand how to 275 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 5: maintain that environment. 276 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: And also, I mean, I'll give a shout out to 277 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 2: my guy and Jeremia Washington coach, and yeah, he's coaching 278 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 2: the outside linebackers and pass rushers. And think about we 279 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: came into the league together as scouts. His dad's a 280 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: legendary defensive line coach, but Washed came in as a scout, 281 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: so he has a perspective to look at somebody like 282 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 2: Jlex Hunt, or to look at somebody like Nolan Smith 283 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 2: and see, okay, there's work to The tools here from 284 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: a scouting standpoint are so rich, and then it's up 285 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 2: to me to develop them and coach them and refine them. 286 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 2: But like, give me those guys all day long. Whereas 287 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: I think sometimes traditional coaches we always joke buck they want, hey, 288 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 2: give it to me and clear packaging, already assembled, no 289 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 2: assembly required. I just want to coach scheme. I want 290 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: to be able to tell him we're running this stunt. 291 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: And when we like, here's Keith like no, no, no, we 292 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 2: got to work on fundamentals. Man, we got to stay 293 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 2: after practice and we got to grind through how you're 294 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 2: getting out of your stance. Like, we've got to work 295 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 2: on those things. And I think I was thinking of 296 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn. Aaron Glenn getting the head coaching job with 297 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 2: the Jets. Aaron Glenn started off as a scout. Do 298 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 2: you think that's helped him with some of the pieces 299 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: they've added in the secondary in Detroit over the last 300 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 2: few years because he can sign off and say, I 301 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: know what that's supposed to look like. 302 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 3: Now it's up to me to get it out of them. Yeah. 303 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the relationship is important in terms of 304 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 5: the scouting and the coaching, making sure. 305 00:13:59,120 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 4: They marry up. 306 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 5: So often we act like both of those operations working 307 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 5: silos when they really should be working together. When it 308 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 5: comes to player acquisition and play a development, they need 309 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 5: to be on the same page. 310 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, boy, watch these guys were rolling this gosh. 311 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 7: I mean to see again to think about you know, 312 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 7: it's not just that the blue chip talent. 313 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 6: I mean, even though you could argue. 314 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 7: It was there with guys like Josh Sweat and Jaylex Hunt, 315 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 7: but the fact that they come you know, and. 316 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 3: Like that though yeah, I mean that's what I'm saying 317 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 3: there for that whole ride. 318 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 7: That is a credit to their development, their commitment to it, 319 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 7: and their passion for it. I think that's a great 320 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 7: point you make about a scouting background, you know, for 321 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 7: a coach and understanding what to look for and then 322 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 7: how you. 323 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 6: Can mold those raw skills right and then make it 324 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 6: into a big time player. So credit I think. 325 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: Also I think also Buck is uh if you look 326 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 2: at what's and how he's I mean how he's Look, 327 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: he's the best executive in the NFL. I don't know 328 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: how you and they can argue against it just now 329 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: with what he's done. So but I look at when 330 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: you had how we and the Andy Reid influence of 331 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 2: how what Andy believed in core philosophy wise, and then 332 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: you incorporate really kind of i'll call the Ravens model 333 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 2: that came in when when Joe d and Andy Widel 334 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 2: came in there and then they kind of mixed this 335 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 2: whole thing together. Wash is there who has experience in 336 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: all these different areas they've kind of taken like there's 337 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: there used to be kind of oh, you could be 338 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 2: kind of an analytics team or you're like an old 339 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: school scouting teast, like they have mixed it all together 340 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: and Howie has put it all together where it is 341 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: the it's the envy of the league. 342 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 6: Man. 343 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: They got somebody, as somebody texted me, they got they 344 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: got Sakwan Barkley for. 345 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 3: Gabe Davis Prices. Like, think about that for a second. 346 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 5: I mean not only like that is great, and I 347 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 5: want to go back to what you were talking about 348 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 5: in terms of the best of both worlds, right, And 349 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 5: I can tell you, as someone who didn't grow up 350 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 5: scouting in the Baltimore Ravens system, it was always the 351 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 5: envy of the league when we talked about it because 352 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 5: it's team like they never missed on top picks. And 353 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 5: then you talk about the Eagles and the analytics and 354 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 5: how they were able to mix that in the other 355 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 5: thing that I'm going to talk about in Red alluded 356 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 5: to it when he talked about the coaching, making Sirianni 357 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 5: be the CEO type coach, making him concentrate on being 358 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 5: the head coach as opposed to the head coach, class 359 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 5: play caller and those things. I believe their merits to that, 360 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 5: and I believe that Sirianni deserves a lot of credit, 361 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 5: one for improving as a coach, but two the foresight 362 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 5: that the upper management had and saying, hey, we need 363 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 5: you to learn how to run the entire operation. Your 364 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 5: job is to manage the team. DJ you talked to 365 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 5: me about what they say fundamental days, where they spend 366 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 5: days like things that show up on tape, they fix 367 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 5: the problems. 368 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 4: You know, we heard in postgame Brandon Graham talked. 369 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 5: About we didn't have any victory Mondays, and so to me, 370 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 5: I can tell you having been around the team that 371 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 5: had a lot of Mondays off, when you work on 372 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 5: Monday to correct the things that showed up on Sunday, 373 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 5: it allows you to jump on Wednesday, which is the 374 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 5: first practice day of the week, with clarity in terms 375 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 5: of what we need to do and how we need 376 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 5: to get better. This is a team that is not 377 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 5: only a development team when it comes to the long range. 378 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 5: They are an improvement team that each week they try 379 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 5: to take steps to get better. 380 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 4: And we saw it comedy in the championship. 381 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 2: I want to get back to you on that. Talking 382 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 2: about those fundamental days. One of the things that we've 383 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 2: talked about previously is non negotiables right. We did a 384 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 2: whole episode on this in the past about hey, these 385 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 2: are things every team should have that you should have 386 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 2: a spouting philosophy that says we can take them in 387 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: different shapes and sizes, but we will not compromise on this, 388 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 2: and you can go position by position. We talk about 389 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 2: you know, Bill Belichick and that presentation. He will not 390 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 2: play with the dumb safety. I don't care for the 391 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 2: most athletically gifted guy in the world if you are 392 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 2: not smart and not play safety for him, not happening. 393 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: And what one of the tenants that we've talked about 394 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 2: over the last few years. And it's something to keep 395 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 2: in mind as we go into this draft. And I'll 396 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 2: give I'll give the Chiefs credit on this as well. 397 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 2: Do you want the most underrated thing in scouting right 398 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 2: now is tackling? 399 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 3: Look at the tackling. 400 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, the tackling on the perimeter. And look at Cooper 401 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 2: dejen and his batting average out there in space against 402 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 2: those athletes, and. 403 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 3: Flip it around. 404 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 2: Look at some of the like Nick Bolton and some 405 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 2: of the tackles Chili good. 406 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 3: It was great. 407 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 2: And that's why I'm I'm sitting here going, oh, you know, 408 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 2: I get paid to cover. Not not anymore, man, not 409 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 2: in this league. If you can't tackle with the way 410 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 2: the past game is horizontally in this league right now, 411 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: all this, you know the shell coverage, you better get 412 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 2: some corners that can freaking tackle. 413 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 5: Man, it's funny that you brought that up. When I 414 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 5: was at the East West Shrine game. I didn't get 415 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 5: a chance to talk to PJ. Fleck from Minnesota directly, 416 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 5: but I was listening to a podcast. We were talking 417 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 5: about the things that they've done to punch above their 418 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 5: weight at the University of Minnesota and the things that 419 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 5: they talk about turnovers one. Mis tackling was two because 420 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 5: mistackling leads to explosive plays. And when we looked at 421 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 5: those two teams play, particularly the Eagles who decided we're 422 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 5: not gonna blitz, We're gonna play an umbrella coverage which 423 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 5: required you to tackle in space. Man, it is underrated 424 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 5: the value in having guys on the perimeter that can 425 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 5: get players down in one on one situations. 426 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 4: You never saw the cancer. 427 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 5: The Chiefs really have those big explosive plays that they 428 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 5: can have with their speed athletes and Xavier Worthy and 429 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 5: Marquis Solery Brown on the horizontal things and that is a. 430 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 4: Testament to their ability to tackle well in space. 431 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 7: Well, look at some of the players you know from 432 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 7: some universities you know that have top flight defenses that 433 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 7: send guys to the league. I mean, you look at 434 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 7: what Tom Allen has done in his career at Penn 435 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 7: State going down to Clemson. It's takeaways, tackling, effort, takeaways, 436 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 7: tackling effort. Kane Wamick at Alabama the same way. Takeaways 437 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 7: tackling and effort, takeaways tackling. So like that, I mean, 438 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 7: and then you find guys that fit those bills. And 439 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 7: obviously the scouts like you can see that when I'm 440 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 7: sure you guys can attest when. 441 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 6: You go to schools like you can see the schools that. 442 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 7: Make the emphasis on that type of fundamental as it 443 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 7: comes to And look, I know it's it's a lot 444 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 7: different now is where you know, we tackle far less, 445 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 7: we talk about it far less, you know, in the landscape. 446 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 2: But for the corner position, I would argue that, well, 447 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 2: I got Bucket's been in the league longer than I was, 448 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: but I got in a three and we did literally 449 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 2: have we had conversations that he's a cover corner like 450 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 2: he's he'sn't really tackle. 451 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 3: We were paying him to cover. He's a cover corner. 452 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 2: And now and I you know, my opinion on it 453 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 2: is that just we've seen so many condensed formations and 454 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 2: offensive coaches have gotten so smart and that they are 455 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 2: going to make you the force player and you can't 456 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 2: hide anymore out there on the perimeter. 457 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 4: It has always been a part of the game. It 458 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 4: has always been a thing. 459 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 5: Like I can tell you going back to when I 460 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 5: was in Jacksonville and we played against the Titans or 461 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 5: the Oils, whatever they would call at the time, with 462 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 5: Eddie George. They would deliberately crack the safeties and make 463 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 5: the cornerback have to tackle Eddie George over and over 464 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 5: and over again. 465 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 4: Tackling has always been a part of it. 466 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 5: And I'm gonna say this because people and some coaches 467 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 5: like to use the lack of practic this time, we're 468 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 5: not putting pads on. 469 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 4: As an excuse for not having a good tackling team. 470 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 5: That's not it, man. The fundamentals can be taught without 471 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 5: having the pass on. You have to be committed to 472 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 5: doing time on task to being a really good tackling team. 473 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 5: And it also not only has to be who you 474 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 5: bring in. They need to be good tacklers, but it 475 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 5: has to be a point of emphasis. You can't cut 476 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,479 Speaker 5: out three to five minutes of tackling to get some 477 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 5: more scheme stuff. I love what we're was saying, takeaways, 478 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 5: tackling and effort. To me, that's really what it's about. 479 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 5: And we're seeing that the great teams, they all emphasize 480 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 5: those things. 481 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 2: Have no doubt that was now, well, that's a rap 482 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 2: actually for the lead block presented by Team Mobile for Business. 483 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 2: Football means a network will undergo the extra yard. So 484 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 2: do you go further with Tea Mobile for Business. We're 485 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 2: gonna take a quick pause. Let's hit the chief side 486 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: of this thing. We haven't hit that title. We'll hit 487 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 2: that right after this. All right, guys, let's jump over 488 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 2: to the other side here the Kansas City chiefs. I'll 489 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: give you my quick analogy and uh, you know what, 490 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 2: we'll get into all the things there and where they 491 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: go and this you know, sky's not falling Kansas City. 492 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 2: You've got Patrick Mahomes, you've got Andy Reid, you've got 493 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 2: a great defense. We'll get to all that stuff. But 494 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 2: my my image that I had was, you know, if 495 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 2: the super Bowl was on the if the super Bowl 496 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 2: was on the thirtieth floor of a building, the Chiefs 497 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 2: have to use the stairs, man like, they don't have 498 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 2: an elevator anymore like that. That it's hard like And 499 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 2: that's what's incredible what they've done. And they've won all 500 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 2: these games this year, all these one possession games, all 501 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 2: these close games, all these late comebacks, but it felt 502 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: like everything was so hard and eventually that wasn't going 503 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 2: to work, you know, And I thought in this game 504 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 2: it was you know they got that was just kind 505 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 2: of exposed in this one. Every single worth that they 506 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: had which they had been able to overcome and cover up, 507 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 2: got exposed. 508 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 509 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 7: Look, and I think you know, the thing that we're 510 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 7: going to talk about now is how do they rebuild 511 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 7: the offensive line because that that is exactly what got 512 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 7: exposed in their last Super Bowl loss to the Tampa 513 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 7: Bay Buccaneers in the COVID year. And then that's kind 514 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 7: of where we felt like this was going now and 515 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 7: they're gonna have to spend a lot of resources and 516 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 7: was that was that. 517 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 2: The trade for I got to go back and look 518 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,479 Speaker 2: that up now, Was that did they trade for Orlando 519 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 2: Brown right after that Super Bowl? 520 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 7: Yeah, that was the first remake, the first iteration of 521 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 7: the remake, right, it was after that. 522 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 6: And then remember Toney was already. 523 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 3: There, right, yeah, he's been there. 524 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 6: He was the free agency signing. 525 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 7: But it was the tackles that they really redid, and 526 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 7: that's when they went out and got you know, was 527 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 7: it John Taylor right after that too? I felt like 528 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 7: that was not long after right there, and you know, 529 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 7: they spent all that money to go get those guys 530 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 7: in those resources and then you know, fortified the interior 531 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 7: right after that, right, Uh, well with Creed Humphrey and 532 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 7: then and Trey Brown. So they've got to go they 533 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 7: gotta go that route again with. 534 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 3: The tax traymith, right, what I say, Trey Brown? 535 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, you're right. So yeah, I I think that's that's 536 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 6: the one thing. 537 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 7: And then the other part of it is is like 538 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 7: this you know, kind of slow deceleration from where they were, 539 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 7: uh when they won a Super Bowl before this last run, 540 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 7: right it, which which was a complete you know, I 541 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 7: don't want to say. 542 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 6: Complete, but it was a it was a it was 543 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 6: a total. 544 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 7: Slowing down from the way that they attacked defenses in 545 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 7: the past, right Tyreek kill's gone, We're gonna find a 546 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 7: different way to operate, and they had done that very well. 547 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 7: But when you can't protect, and when you can't you know, 548 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 7: allow your quarterback to make some of those you know, 549 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 7: some of those quicker some of those throws, and allow 550 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 7: your your receivers to make plays with the ball in 551 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 7: their hands. 552 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 6: Like you're just you're not going to. 553 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 7: Have a successful outing at the highest level against top 554 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 7: tier talent. 555 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 6: And that's just they just didn't have, you know, the 556 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 6: wardaddies to borrow your expression. 557 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 7: To fight this uh this way, to fight that battle 558 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 7: this way. 559 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 6: I'll be curious to see how they reinvent themselves with 560 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 6: this one. 561 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 5: Well, look, man, at one, I think the reinvention that 562 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 5: they were able to do, and I'll say this, five Super. 563 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 4: Bowls and six years is ridiculous. 564 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 5: The only thing, the only thing that I can say 565 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 5: comes close to that is in the same realm as 566 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 5: the Buffalo Bill's going four straight. 567 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 4: I came to the Bills on the heels of that. 568 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 5: But just the resilience, the competitive stamina, the focus that 569 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 5: you have to have to go back to back to 570 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 5: back like the Chiefs have gone and to think about 571 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 5: five times in six years, it's remarkable. Even though they 572 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 5: have a three and two record in that run is 573 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 5: one of the great runs. 574 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 4: That we've seen in the National Football League. 575 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 5: To me, this kind of feels like that pause that 576 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 5: the New England Patriots had after they won three and 577 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 5: four years, where you have to take a reset and 578 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 5: it may take them a while to kind of get back. 579 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes would give them a chance, but I think 580 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 5: what we saw they kind of have to bottom out 581 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 5: a little bit and build it back up. They've been 582 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 5: able to kind of patchwork the offensive, the offense for 583 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 5: a little bit, the offensive line and the playmakers. They 584 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 5: got to commit to building this offense up right way 585 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 5: for them to legitimately have a chance to deal with 586 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 5: some of the talented teams that they're going to face 587 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 5: over the next few years. This is a chance for 588 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 5: Beach and Andy Reid to really reset refolks and do it. 589 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 5: And I'm actually glad that they got knocked out and 590 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 5: they didn't lose it on cars because I believe this 591 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 5: gives them a chance to really see where the flaws 592 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 5: and the weakenses are in their team. 593 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the defense is still in great shape. 594 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 2: I mean, they play they played fine, they stopped the run, 595 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 2: they did what they had to do. They let the 596 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 2: ball go over their head a couple times, but that 597 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 2: was a risk. That was the way they had to 598 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 2: play that game against that Eagles offense. So defensively, they're 599 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 2: still They've got some free agents, but they're still in 600 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 2: a good spot there. 601 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 3: I would say. The hardest thing is tackles are hard 602 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 3: to find. Man, when you're picking thirty, thirty one or 603 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 3: thirty two every year, there's not many of them and 604 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 3: their premium positions and they go so at some point 605 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 3: time and I don't know that this is the right one, 606 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 3: but at some point in time they're going to have 607 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 3: to probably be aggressive and go try and go get one, 608 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 3: like trade up and go get a tackle. Think about 609 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 3: the Eagles, They've had the luxury of having Lane Johnson 610 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 3: as a Hall of Famer, and you just plug it. 611 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 3: You you draft one of those guys in the top five, 612 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 3: and you hit, you set it, you set it and 613 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 3: forget it. Like he's said, like that, you don't have 614 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 3: to worry about that. And then they they struck gold. 615 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 2: Uh you know with my lotta and uh in a 616 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 2: late round on a rugby player and ended up hitting 617 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 2: on that. 618 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 3: But that's it's so hard to do. 619 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 2: So I look at it, you know, doing the Charger 620 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: games of gosh, you know, you think, man, the Charger's 621 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 2: got a long way to go to figure out how 622 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 2: to close the gap. I'm like, you know what, they've 623 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 2: got the two tackles, like two young tackles that you 624 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 2: can just set it and forget it. Like they're hard 625 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 2: to find. Man, They're really really hard to find. That's 626 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 2: gonna be the biggest challenge for the Chiefs to me, 627 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 2: and Brett Veach is really really good and he's gonna 628 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 2: he's gonna have to figure out a way to go 629 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 2: address that. They can't they can't run through the tournament. 630 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 2: In my opinion, it's gonna be hard to continually run 631 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 2: through that tournament playing the way they've had to play. 632 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 2: And in hindsight, I know in they said Joe Tounei 633 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 2: was their most valuable player for kicking out to left tackle. 634 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 2: But last night was the first time that I thought 635 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 2: about it, and I thought, you know what, did weaken 636 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 2: two positions? Like if he's a guard, he's really good 637 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 2: at guard, And now we can develop all we can 638 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 2: send all our help, and like I said, it felt 639 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 2: like in this one buck there was these holes in 640 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 2: the boat and they plug one and then there was 641 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 2: water coming out of another one. 642 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 5: You know, there is something to be said for that, 643 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 5: Like in moving someone out, you basically weaken two positions. 644 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 5: Because Tuney's not a natural left tackle and you've given 645 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 5: up what he was as an all pro guard. There's 646 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 5: something they have to consist it. But they have to 647 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 5: fix that. I mean we've said it. I mean for 648 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 5: two years they've had issues on the edges. I mean 649 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 5: it's been a huge issue. They tried to throw money 650 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 5: at it with Juwan Taylor. He certainly, in my mind, 651 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 5: has been a disappointment in terms of what they thought 652 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 5: that he would be on Perimer. They have to fix 653 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 5: that because, look, if number fifteen is uncomfortable, they don't 654 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 5: have a chance. They have to make sure that he 655 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 5: is always comfortable, because if he's comfortable, he can get 656 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 5: it done by himself. 657 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 6: Well, I mean you think about it. 658 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 7: You know, outside of the twenty one draft, right, which 659 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 7: is when they nailed it on Creed Humphrey in the 660 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 7: second and Trey Smith in the sixth, there's not another 661 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 7: guy that rotates in there that they've hit from the 662 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 7: draft on the offensive line. 663 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, since twenty one, right, since twenty one or before? 664 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, or before. 665 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 7: I mean, like we were talking about all the you know, 666 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 7: all the guys that have been on that line for 667 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 7: the Eagles, you know, even prior to that. But I mean, like, 668 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 7: you know, Janie Morris, third round pick in twenty three, 669 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 7: Kingsley Suamantilla, second round pick this year, rookie didn't hadn't 670 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 7: worked out. I don't know if they're ready to close 671 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 7: the book on that yet, but you know, there's some 672 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 7: time there perhaps, But then you know, the other guys 673 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 7: are you know, kind of depth players it was, you know, 674 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 7: Norzad Hanson, Like, you know, it just hasn't hit that 675 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 7: way for them outside of those two guys. 676 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 6: Score really dang good. Let's not take away from that, 677 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 6: but you know. 678 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 7: There's just not that there's not that that kind of 679 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 7: cupboard full of guys. 680 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, we have to mention it. 681 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 2: I know, he's he's a no doubt first ballot Hall 682 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 2: of Fame are going to go down as arguably the 683 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 2: best player to ever play the position, at least in 684 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 2: the conversation. But Kelsey doesn't have the juice he had, 685 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 2: you know, three years ago, four years ago. So they 686 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 2: need they need to get some more dynamic players to 687 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 2: add to their skill position group. That's that's got to 688 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 2: go along with it. And I would also add had 689 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 2: zero run game, none, and they don't have They don't 690 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 2: have a big time back. 691 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 4: I mean, well that that was the thing. 692 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 5: They don't have anyone that when we stand up in 693 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 5: the defensive meeting and we talked about, hey, guys, this 694 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 5: week we got the cancy the Chiefs. Who's the running 695 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 5: back that we fear that we have to stop. Look, 696 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 5: they tried it a few years ago, Clyde edwars Allar, 697 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 5: but it wasn't. 698 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 4: It didn't work out for them. 699 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 5: They need a big time back that will offset some 700 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 5: of the pressure and attention that you put on Patrick Mahomes. 701 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 5: We've seen it and it's one of the things that 702 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 5: I think will be the theme of the off season. 703 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 5: We can talk about the renaissance of the running backs, 704 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 5: but I would say it's not necessarily just the renaissance 705 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 5: of the back. Is teams that had established quarterbacks paired 706 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 5: them with an established back and it opened up the offense. 707 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 5: Look at the Eagles, look at the Ravens, even look 708 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 5: at the Packers. When you have a marquee back playing 709 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 5: with the marquee quarterback, it makes it nearly impossible. 710 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 4: For a defense to really come up with the answers 711 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 4: to defense. 712 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 7: And you know, the last thing I'll say on the Chiefs, 713 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 7: and you know where they're at from a roster standpoint, is, 714 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 7: you know, we also got to take into consideration. 715 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 6: You know, Rashie Rice was out for pretty much. 716 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 3: That's dude, that's a great point. 717 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 7: That's a that's a huge You could make an argument 718 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 7: as to whether he's not, you know, a wide receiver 719 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 7: one on on. 720 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 6: Every team in the league, but he was on this. 721 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 7: Team, yes, and that's tough to overcome when, like, you know, 722 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 7: you don't just have again another guy like that you 723 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 7: can you could throw in there. Obviously they traded for 724 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 7: DeAndre Hopkins, tried try it just never quite got there. 725 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 2: Yea, with hot No, I think that's a great point, 726 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 2: you get. I mean, think about if they can somehow 727 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 2: go find a tackle and free agency, I don't know, 728 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 2: you know, you don't Ronnie Stanley on the back nine. 729 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 2: Maybe he comes in there. 730 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 3: I don't know. 731 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 2: There's ways you can try and address that, and then 732 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 2: if you get an explosive back, which this draft has 733 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 2: plenty of, you can find your future tight end in 734 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 2: this draft as well. It can look different. There's not 735 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 2: a lot that needs to be done defensively. I mean, 736 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 2: they have a lot of talented young players. Got to 737 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 2: pay some of them, but they're in great shape on 738 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 2: that side of the ball. All right, guys, it's time 739 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 2: for Hot or Not, brought to you by with Sabbi 740 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 2: Hot Cloud Storage Buck. There's only one coordinator in this 741 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 2: game that's gonna leave, and that's Kellen Moore. Looks like 742 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 2: it's gonna be the head coach of the New Orleans 743 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 2: Saints and coming off of a hot performance to say 744 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 2: the least, with the last two games, the NFC Championship 745 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 2: Game and then the Super Bowl. 746 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 5: Look, man, I'm gonna say this, I am really really 747 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 5: impressed by the growth that Kellen Moore displayed as a coach. 748 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 5: We always talk about players getting developed, and this is 749 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 5: the developmental league for players, but it's also a developmental 750 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 5: league for coaches. You had a chance to see Kellen 751 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 5: Moore as as a coordinator for the Charges. We all 752 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 5: watched him as the coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys, and 753 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 5: I would say that Kellen Moore's growth as a run 754 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 5: game caller in terms of calling the run game, being 755 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 5: creative with the run game and those things, man, it's 756 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 5: going to help him so much going forward as a 757 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 5: head coach and maybe head coach, play caller and those things. 758 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 5: What he was able to do with the Eagles is 759 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 5: I couldn't even imagine how he's gonna be able to 760 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 5: do it because I'm like, man, he's gonna bring the 761 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 5: same playbook that he said other places, they're gonna try 762 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 5: and throw it. It's not gonna match the personnel. And 763 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 5: early in the year he put all the creativity in 764 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 5: the run game as opposed to the passing game. And 765 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 5: this offense, even though the Super Bowl numbers don't reflect it, 766 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 5: their creative running game keeps defensive coordinators up at night 767 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 5: and then it allows them to be a little more simplistic, 768 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 5: but the passing game yet still explosive in both areas. 769 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's smart, and I think the evolution for Kellen. 770 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 7: You think about this three teams in three years, right 771 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 7: with Dallas to the Chargers and the now to the Eagles, 772 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 7: and man, I think that. 773 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 6: Point soon before. Yeah, I think a lot. 774 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 7: Of times when you start seeing that kind of movement, 775 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 7: you wonder like, all right, is the is the is 776 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 7: the luster coming off a once very shiny object in 777 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 7: terms of the coaching community. But man, he is he 778 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 7: has really found himself in Philly and yeah, I mean 779 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 7: having a generational talent and Saquon Barkley this certainly helps, 780 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 7: and a really good offensive line and the tools to 781 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 7: work with that way. But I think now it's so 782 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 7: valuable for him to really see it and to explain that, 783 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,879 Speaker 7: you know, in detail, that formula you know, to Jeff 784 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 7: Ireland and a Mickey Loomis. I'm like, guys, I know 785 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 7: I can win if we find ways to simulate that 786 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 7: type of construction. And the Saints have done in the past, 787 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 7: I mean, arguably had one of the greatest drafts in 788 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 7: history in the Alvin Kamara Draft, Ryan Ramcheck, Marshaun Lattimore, 789 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 7: that whole thing. Like they I'm not saying they can 790 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 7: do that again, but they can find ways to reemphasize 791 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 7: what's important, especially to a Kellen Moore let offense and team, 792 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 7: and we'll see where they. 793 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 3: Go with it. 794 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 2: Jeff Ireland's really good man. He is a good evaluator, 795 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 2: and I think if you give him the instructions buck 796 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 2: like that, that's to me as a great personnel guy, 797 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 2: when you say, hey, this is what we're looking for, 798 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 2: he can go find it. 799 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:15,399 Speaker 4: Yeah. 800 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 5: No, I think it would be interesting DJ. I'm pretty 801 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 5: sure this was in his background. Kellen Moore's dad was 802 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 5: a great high school coach, yes. 803 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, and his brothers a coordinator at Missouri. 804 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. So like he understands what this is. 805 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 5: This is not something that I would say is going 806 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 5: to be challenged or daunting in terms of doing it. 807 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 5: What I want to see and this is what I 808 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 5: believe the Saints haven't done. I want to know what 809 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 5: that their identity was. I felt like it was very 810 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 5: clear in a parent for years under Sean Payton what 811 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 5: the New Orleans Saints were about. On O offense, despite 812 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 5: all the stuff with Drew Brees, They're still gonna run 813 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 5: the football when they did best, they were gonna run 814 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 5: the football with multiple backs. They're gonna do it. On defense, 815 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 5: They're gonna be very aggressive. I'm looking forward to seeing 816 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 5: the Saints kind of get back to that because when 817 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 5: I think about the Saints. The first thing I think 818 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 5: about is don't patrol and then whatever they've been on 819 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 5: offense with Drew Brees or whatever, if he can marry 820 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,280 Speaker 5: those two things where they have Dome patrol on defense 821 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,280 Speaker 5: and that fun offense. 822 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 4: Time me up. I'll be ready to go that. 823 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 7: Don't you disparage the Domet patrol by suggesting that there 824 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,760 Speaker 7: could be another There will never be another Pat Swilling 825 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 7: Ricky Jackson, Von Johnson and Sam Mills. 826 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 6: Let me make that perfectly clear. 827 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: I just like I just remember seeing the picture that 828 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: would hang, the banner that would hang, Uh, is incredible, 829 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: just a little bit of that. 830 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 4: I just there's so much history and energy and. 831 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 7: That they've got to have a dominant d that Look, 832 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 7: the offense is funded, the screens and the shots that 833 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 7: they were doing with with with Sean Payton was in 834 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 7: you know, Robert Meacham and Dewrie Henderson running sixty yards 835 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 7: downfield virtually uncovered like that. 836 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 6: That stuff was awesome. 837 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 7: But man, that don't rocks when that defense is rolling, 838 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 7: and I think that this is an aging defense. 839 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 4: Now. 840 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 7: Look, Cam Jordan has been one of the best players 841 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 7: in the league. The Mario Davis has been one of 842 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 7: the best players in the league. Can they help you 843 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 7: usher in the new era or do you really have 844 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 7: to tear it down? I think it's I think it's 845 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 7: probably the former. I think they probably help usher it in. 846 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it. It's gonna be interesting to 847 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 2: see you. Obviously, we'll wait and get let that announcement 848 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 2: become official. But a nice finish if it is a 849 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 2: finish for Kellam Moore there in Philadelphia. That was this 850 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 2: week's Hot or Not segment, brought to you by with 851 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 2: Sabi Hot Cloud Storage, store more and do more with 852 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 2: your data. 853 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 3: Try them for free at Withsabi dot Com. 854 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 2: Closing closing statements here buck anything else you want to 855 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 2: add before we get out of here on that Super Bowl. 856 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 5: Football is great like no matter what we say about it, 857 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 5: no matter how those the results end up. Football is 858 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 5: so great like to think about how the season started 859 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 5: and then we watch it finish up with the Eagles 860 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 5: winning the Super Bowl in dominant fashion, all of the 861 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 5: twist and turns through the season to watch it end 862 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 5: of like that is one of the reasons why look, man, 863 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 5: I am a football jockie. 864 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 4: Sign me up for it anytime. 865 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 5: But now we get to close that chapter and we 866 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 5: get to kind of cast our eyes towards the draft 867 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 5: and the Combine, the draft and all of that as 868 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 5: everyone has completely hit the reset button saying, hey, that 869 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 5: was twenty four. We're ready to go to twin twenty five. 870 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 5: We can win it. 871 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,839 Speaker 4: I'm excited about this part in the process. 872 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 6: Bucky, that was beautiful. There ain't no time for nostalgia Indianapolis. 873 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 6: Two weeks today. 874 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 7: Man, the combine is coming down the pipe and hitting 875 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 7: around it. Man. 876 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 6: Draft season is here, and it does not wait. 877 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope. That's it's hope season. Yeah. 878 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,359 Speaker 2: And if you want to have hope, just look at 879 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 2: what the team the toys in the trophy did over 880 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 2: this period of time one year ago. 881 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 3: That that was it. 882 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 2: They built a super Bowl finishing piece in this free 883 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 2: agency and in the draft, and they went and won 884 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 2: the whole thing. And that's what's so great about football 885 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 2: versus some of these other sports. Every single city, no 886 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 2: matter where you are, no matter what you need, you 887 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 2: have hope that you can go find it this offseason. 888 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 3: And we're going to be the. 889 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 2: Place to discuss all of it as we head towards 890 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 2: free agency. 891 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 3: And the draft. So we appreciate you hanging with us. 892 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 3: We'll see you next time, right here on move sticks.