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Speaker 1: Media ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: This is a tap in that is a very special

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Speaker 2: tap in one because you finally get to hear Matt

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Speaker 2: Awsowski's voice speak a moment.

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Speaker 1: Matt, Hello, how's it going?

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Speaker 3: Happy to be here?

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Speaker 1: Hey?

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Speaker 2: He sounds black, don't he?

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Speaker 1: He used to be on a radio somewhere.

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Speaker 3: I have heard that I have a voice for radio

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Speaker 3: in the past, ye, but I've never believed it.

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Speaker 1: You have an NPR voice, PBS voice.

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Speaker 3: Well, just in time for their defunding. I'm really pleased.

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Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say something like make

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Speaker 2: sure you support public radio, and.

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Speaker 3: Don't you don't make sure you support public radio? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and also cools on media.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, which is kind of what brings us here today

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Speaker 2: speaking of the ending of public radio. So, uh, these

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Speaker 2: next ten or so episodes, these next ten or so

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Speaker 2: tap ins will be with me and Matt and they

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Speaker 2: are about a poetry record we put together and are

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Speaker 2: putting out called The Endling and it is totally produced

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Speaker 2: by Matt and it's as my first full poetry album.

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Speaker 2: So first, let me tell you what an endling is

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Speaker 2: and then get into like, what's Matt, what your initial

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Speaker 2: with that perfect So honestly I got the term endling

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Speaker 2: from a Radio Lab episode which at some point I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna send them this album because I had never heard

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Speaker 2: of what this was until this episode. And the premise

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Speaker 2: is they were asking about like the extinction of the

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Speaker 2: kind of sad, like, is there is there something we

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Speaker 2: call that? And then they go, well, actually we have

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Speaker 2: a story about it. He not radio Labs set up,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: Uh, and.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to w n y z uh anyway.

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Speaker 1: Amazing sound design, amazing sound design.

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Speaker 2: So then they interview this this guy who kind of

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Speaker 2: asked the same question, who lived in a uh you know,

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Speaker 1: I can't even think of a word of it, uh.

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Speaker 2: But he was essentially all of his siblings are passed,

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Speaker 2: just kind of wondered, Yo, I wonder if there's a

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Speaker 2: but they landed on the term endling, right, And where

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Speaker 2: they came up with that is like, okay, well like

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So the animal picks up, you know, if we're talking

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Speaker 2: A second, there are such things as chickens, and chickens

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Speaker 2: are like we know the descendant of dinosaurs, right, there

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Speaker 2: which the Neanderthals.

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, like even if

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Speaker 2: has to do with her politics is I mean gestures wildly,

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Speaker 2: like like this there we are living at the end

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Speaker 2: So my thought from a creative standpoint is like, okay,

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Speaker 1: Maybe we can curate the things that we pass on.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we can be more purposeful and in a lot

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Speaker 2: of ways, Look, this is the vision of cool zone media.

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Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm saying, It's like, all right,

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Speaker 2: we're seeing we're seeing society collapse, like you know, but

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Speaker 1: What can and live on?

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Speaker 1: And how do we what do we hope the future

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Speaker 2: You know, So that's kind of the idea of the

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Speaker 2: poetry of the Endling beautiful?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what resonated with you? Met? Well?

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Speaker 3: I think all of this stuff, you know. The question

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Speaker 3: lead you to writing poetry about it? But that was

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Speaker 1: Right? And then like what do I value now? Like

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Speaker 2: And I think that that's what this poem was about.

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Speaker 2: can truly mourn. But now you can say, Okay, there's

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Speaker 2: My otherest daughter had her first experience with the Los

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Speaker 2: Angeles Toe Trucking Institution in the sense that she blocked

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Speaker 2: Wuaki ordered last week. You feel me like you start

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Speaker 2: And it's just like, man, what was my priorities? Why

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Speaker 2: remember that they have been a warm blanket and north

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Speaker 1: That's a bar who needs luggage to paradise? Who needs

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Speaker 2: Forgiveness feels as involuntary is breathing, and all inner mirror

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Speaker 1: And why am I comparator too? You can have it all.

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Speaker 1: Soon you'll become all that follows. You'll become what is taken.

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Speaker 2: You'll finally see clearly nuanced and conundrum how warning and

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Speaker 2: wonder and power and curiosity is closed. You've been forced

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Speaker 2: What is valuable enough to pass on? To survey the

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Speaker 2: left in its wake, quickly and forcibly developed the wisdom

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Speaker 2: you may or may not be ready for born alone.

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Speaker 1: And inspire together.

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Speaker 2: You are made to let go of what was and

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Speaker 2: embrace what will be.

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Speaker 1: Who needs lug at your paradise? Who needs you luggage

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