WEBVTT - The Kanye Spectacle Ft. Prop: Part 1 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:09.080 Could it happen here? I don't know, but I get 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.640 paid whether or not we find an answer to that question. 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:14.840 This has been the introduction to the podcast. I'm Robert Evans. 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:22.920 Hello everyone else, Hello, Hello, good morning afternoon. This is Garrison. Uh. 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:27.040 We have Sharene and we also have our friend Prop 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:31.160 from Hood Politics here. Hello, greets, y'all talk to me nice. 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:35.320 I fully respect the transparency about like will you get 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:39.000 paid regardless? Yeah, exactly exactly whether or not we learned 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.479 if it could happen here. Here's the thing. When I 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:43.360 used to teach high school, which believed it or not, 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:46.640 I did, taught ninth graders. We was like maybe eight 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:50.960 years apart at the time, and uh uh there was 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.479 at one point and I taught Inner City and it 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:56.880 was it was at one point, Um, I got this 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:01.080 idea from one of my like uh like mentor teachers 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.400 where I was like, okay, check this out. So I 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:08.000 made you remember overhead transparencies. Yeah, I do, So I 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:11.920 made one of my check It was like I'm just 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:14.320 gonna put this because I'm just gonna put this up 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:18.120 here because like y'all can do your work or not, 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:23.160 YO say, like I get paid either way. I care. 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:25.080 That's why I show up and I try so hard, 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:33.480 you know, but you're not hurting me by whatever rebellion 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:39.320 you're practicing here like this, this is school ends at 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:43.000 three o'clock. At three oh five, I forgot everything you 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:48.320 said to me, you know, so you're not hurting me. Now. 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.240 If you want to make me earn this, then let's 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.040 get busy, you know. And it was like, no, man, 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:55.640 you're gonna earn this. I was like, all right, let's 0:01:55.680 --> 0:02:00.400 go to You know, I was a great teacher. I mean, 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:02.720 I may have turned off a few people, but I 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:07.160 don't know that. Do you know what does hurt me? 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:14.560 Prop what hurt you? Oh? God, Garrett, the main streaming 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:19.519 of it do semitic rhetoric. Um, so you did a 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:22.840 good job there, Garrison. Great, you know what, you know 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.000 what put putting in for a commendation for you. You're 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:29.120 gonna get a little trophy from the company for that one. Hey, homie, 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:33.760 that was Garrison. That was yeah, So it's Varsity bro. 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:38.200 That was Varsity fan. Unfortunately, today we're gonna be talking 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:42.920 about Kanye West. There's a lot of elements to this 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.400 topic of discussion between the media's coverage of what's happened, 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:54.919 isn't it ye? Now, Garrison, don't it's yeah? Okay, yeah, okay, 0:02:55.840 --> 0:03:03.440 you the thing is like and like at some point 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:09.520 probably now I am I have refused to talk about 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:14.840 the same yeah you know, uh and specifically even covering it, 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:18.120 you know, on the pod, but it's definitely time to 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:21.720 be like, you know, whose man's is this? Yeah? You know, 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.760 like come on, somebody can get somebody, come get your 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:27.880 man's here. You know what I'm saying. Um, Yeah, There's 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:29.880 a lot of different kind of parts of this between 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.520 how the media has been covering it the past month, 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:37.240 his own like history of like attention grabbing spectacle, the 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:41.400 whole mental health side of things. There's religion has uptaking 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:45.040 meta comments, and how the rights been co reacting. There's 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.000 there's there's a lot a lot of stuff based on 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:50.360 you know, a few a few not not great statements, 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:55.600 and a lot of interesting things have revolved around him. 0:03:55.840 --> 0:04:01.160 I'm just like, think you just pick your favorite subversive 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:10.080 artists from fifteen years ago, and then picture that person 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:15.360 doing this the guy just like, come on, come on. 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.520 My favorite subversive artist from fifteen years ago might have 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:26.280 been Dave Chappelle. You know my favorite subversive artist from 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.840 fifte years ago, it was probably Steve from Blues Clues. Hey, 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:34.320 Steve remains remains solid. He's yeah, he's a hero. Wait no, 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:38.760 I'm now seeing on Deadline that he has recently embraced 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:45.520 white nationalism words tattooed on the back of his head 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.920 next to the blue pop print. Oh dear, that's a joke. 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:55.080 Steve is fine, he's kidding. That didn't happen. But yeah, absolutely, 0:04:55.120 --> 0:05:00.440 because you're like and knowing all of it's it is 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:03.760 and I hope I'm not. I hope I'm not co 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:08.080 opting this whole show, but it's it is. The Tyra 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:12.920 Banks clip from America's Top Model where it's like we 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:16.800 we believe, we all believed in you, just furious, like 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:23.200 we got damn it. We believed in you. You know. Yeah. Yeah. 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.080 And as the perspective of like a younger person who 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.280 wasn't really around for I guess when Kanye was better, 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:32.320 this stuff has not been surprising to be because I've 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.560 only been watching him the past decade, and that's kind 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.279 of what we're gonna talk about. I would it would 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:41.599 probably be fair to call me like a casual knower 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.640 of Kanye. But I'm I'm I'm much older than you, Garrison, 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:48.320 and so I remember George Bush doesn't care about black people, 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.600 which was like, that's the height of all that seems 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.560 that seems accurate. That was the high water point when 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:58.280 we were like, he's for the generation, this is this 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.560 is a new breed because but what's what's what's ill 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:08.880 is like it was obviously a sign of his manic nous. 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:13.440 In retrospect, it was like, oh, he was in a 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.719 manic episode, I mean. And the other thing is that 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:20.920 he really just has a history of basic contrarianism. So 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:25.000 he'll he'll he'll oppose George W. Bush because that's the 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:27.200 contrarian thing to do. At the moment post on eleven, 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.120 everyone was very pro Obama. Some instead, he's gonna be 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.520 pro Trump because he's gonna he's gonna try to be 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:36.200 that subversive exactly, and that's definitely been a pattern throughout 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:41.080 his Career's it just sucks to see it go ahead. 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:43.880 I'm not I'm not an expert on his music. I 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:46.560 wasn't particularly a fan, but the thing I know that, 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.479 like everyone talked about his motherfucker's sampled blood on the leaves, 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:53.039 like and now that's a But also at the time, 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:54.920 it was like, wow, this is you know, he's he's 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:57.520 he's he's trying to say something. And now there's a 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.240 degree to which it's like, was that just the most 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:06.440 contrarian that move he could be making, right, Yeah, and 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:08.839 like what you said, prop But like initially when this 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:11.280 when the when the T shirt and stuff was happening 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.120 at Paris Fashion Week, I really did not want to 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:14.840 talk about this because I thought it was just another 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.760 one of Kanye's publicity stunts, kind of in line with 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.480 his mega hat and Trump appearances from a few years ago, 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:22.920 and I didn't want to like play into the media 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.080 cycle of just amplifying these stunts that Kanye does, which 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.960 I think kind of feeds into and encourages this kind 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:32.880 of behavior. But then Kanye went on Tucker and started 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:36.120 posting on the Internet, and things have gotten a lot 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.840 worse since then, and now I feel like it actually 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.920 is we should now actually talk about this because there's 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.680 some interesting things going on um and ideally we can 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.040 talk about it in a way that's actually useful and 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.520 that we can gain insights from and not just you know, 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.960 highlighting the bigoted and unhinged things that a public figure 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:56.280 has said. So and I think kind of feigning with 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.720 shock her surprisement at his recent actions and behavior and 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.680 stay eatments is mostly not useful, like as opposed to 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:06.240 just like clearly condemning bigotry and anti Semitism and doing 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:09.679 like the platforming and also upon this, upon the news 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:13.760 of the T shirt stunt and the pointless matter stuff 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:17.640 and anti Semitism, I was not actually really surprised because 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.160 I kind of saw this as a natural evolution of 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.200 the logical progression of the type of bit that Kandie 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:25.960 has been doing, particularly for the past five years. And 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:27.679 that's kind of the angle that we're going to approach 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:32.200 this with. I think we should probably start by talking about, well, 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:35.400 the types of alignments Kanye has had over the course 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:38.080 of his career towards Christianity and how that kind of 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:41.880 reached the peak in so you can see the kind 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:43.800 of earliest tints of this type of thing. It's pretty 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.160 dumb a song like Jesus Walks into Us and four 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:50.559 um and then he kind of does some cool stuff. 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.280 We get to the album ease Us, which kind of 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:58.520 revolves around self like deification. I never expected to hear 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:05.240 you say Jesus awesome okay, which is which is a 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.760 pretty good album, and it kind of it's it's it's 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:12.000 before he gets actually into like Christ. It's it's more 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.840 like God as like a spiritual force that you can 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.840 interact with and you can like align can align yourself 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:21.400 with um can I can I fill in the can 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:27.280 I fill in the walks area? Yeah? Like port important 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.400 context about Kanye One is understanding how the South Side 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:33.600 of Chicago is, you know, and what it's like to 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:40.880 be black. There's like, you're not how do I say 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:49.880 this church is as normal as dinner with in in 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:53.440 our community, specifically in the South side of Chicago. Of course, 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.440 of course your daddy's a deacon. Of course, your mom 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.880 teaches Sunday school. Of Course the most hardened of criminal 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.280 will stop and talk to mother Johnson when they see 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:04.959 her on the side of the road because she was 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:08.200 your Sunday school teacher, you know, so and you still 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:11.440 come every Sunday. Like it's just such a part so 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:17.080 the Christian idea, it's such a part, an integral part 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.800 of our of our community, and of course of his 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:23.680 because he's just one of us. You know, um that 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.199 of course he's gonna do a song called Jesus Walks, 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:29.080 you know, Um, of course. And of course he actually 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.880 probably the whole time, believed he was a Christian, you know, 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:37.880 because of because we all are Joe saying, like and 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.640 unless you come from like the f o I or 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:44.920 like Nation of Islam stuff situation like specifically just with 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:48.000 black people, were just we just went to church, you know. 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:51.120 So in all of our all of our musicians, you 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:53.560 take the greatest musicians of any of our times, they 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:57.520 used to be choir singers, they used to be in 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.600 the worship band, like we just it's just a part 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:04.440 of our life, you know. So so for him to 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:11.920 do that was not strange. Was strange was him thinking 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.760 it was unique. That was the part that was so 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:18.160 weird about like why you think this is there's like, 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:20.640 you know, there's the aspect of thinking that some of 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:22.680 the gospel type of stuff he was doing was unique, 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:25.400 which yeah, maybe it was unique for me on such 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:28.600 such a large platform, but it was not new. And 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:30.800 then the the other thing that is different is that 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.319 there is a difference between the type of the type 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.480 of like um, black church that you're talking about and 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:42.640 white Christian evangelical born again very different around conversion, which 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:46.120 is what he starts getting into, and yeah, what he became, 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.160 you know what I'm saying, But that's not that's why 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:49.600 I was like, let me give it. That's so that's 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.800 why I like at first and I'm speaking as somebody 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:56.040 who also came from like a very person of color 0:11:56.080 --> 0:12:03.000 experience and with Christianity, and then finding you know, sort 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:06.840 of white evangelicalism and thinking because we're using the same 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:11.600 words that we're talking about the same thing, and then 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:19.280 about five minutes sitting at that table, you're just like, oh, oh, 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.200 you just kind of like make the little piece outside 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.520 and let me slide out, because clearly we don't believe 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.320 the same things. You know. I first found your music 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:28.360 as I was kind of me and my family were 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:32.679 exiting evangelicalism. Yeah, and that was a very useful kind 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.160 of step that was still using some familiar language, but 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:41.400 it was like going in a better direction. Yeah yeah, yeah. Um. 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.319 So I think that the next kind of notable thing 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:48.480 is the more gospel esque album Life of Pablo, allegedly 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.680 inspired by the life of the biblical Paul, and there's 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:56.160 the song ultra ultra light Beam, which features contemporary gospel 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.959 superstar Kirk Franklin and Chance the Rapper, who is also 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:04.000 a very open Christian. Yeah. Uh. Then he gany has 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:06.160 a few years of dealing with mental health stuff, he 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:09.800 gets hospitalized, he comes out of the hospital, and then 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:14.600 in April he some somewhere around sixteen, he kind of 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:18.679 endorses Trump kind of um. But then in but then 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:22.599 in April, West sends out a series of tweets expressing 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:26.040 admiration for Trump, including that he felt he was his 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:30.840 brother and they both have quote dragon energy. Um. People 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:34.559 like Trance of Rapper initially came to west defense, saying 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.000 that black people don't have to be Democrats, which he 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:39.520 later apologized for, and a lot of tweets that were 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:43.480 up that are now gone Yes. And then one of 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.360 the kind of worst inclinations of where things are kind 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:50.360 of going was a fucking TMZ interview which was supposed 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.559 it was which was supposed to be about Kanye's support 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:55.640 of Trump, but then he went on to make some 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.680 pretty gross comments about black people choosing to be enslaved. 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:04.560 I don't think people necessarily understand what happened last week 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:07.920 with the Great American making America great again? Hat what 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:11.800 are you trying to do with the message you're send me? Well, 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:15.280 it was really just my subconscious It was a feeling 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:18.360 I had, you know, like people were taught how to think, 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:20.520 we're taught how to feel. We don't know how to 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.680 think for ourselves. We don't know how to feel for ourselves. 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:25.240 People say feel free, but they don't really want us 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.920 to feel free. And uh, I felt a freedom and 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:32.320 first of all, just doing something that everybody tells you 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.440 not to do. I just loved Trump. Do you hear 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.640 about slavery for four hundred years? For four hundred years? 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:42.680 That sounds like a choice, Like he was there for 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:45.200 four hundred years, and it's all of y'all, you know, 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.640 like it's like we're mentally in prison. I like the 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:52.480 word prison because slavery goes to too direct to the 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:57.520 idea of blacks. It's like slavery holocaust, Holocaust shues, slavery 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.440 is blacks. So prison is something that unite says there's 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:04.080 one race, blacks and whites being one race. Uh, that 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:08.000 we're one were the human race. And fun fact, like 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.760 van who stood up to him, I think to this day, 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:19.000 especially among like black media figures. He's, as far as 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:23.600 I can remember, like one of the only that confronted 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:28.000 him in the moment boldly didn't mince his words. You 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:32.760 could tell he was like almost weeping, because I mean 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:34.400 that's the way I felt watching it, where it was 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:37.760 just like oh what do you what are you saying? 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.760 Like it's just it's just so hurtful because you're like 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:46.440 you can't believe, Like come on, man, like drop the act, bro, 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.160 Like now now we're all suffering. It's like it's almost 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:52.560 like I get I get it. We get it. Looking back. Yeah, 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:56.000 even college dropout, that record was just him being Now 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:57.880 I we used to think it was like revolutionary. No, 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.360 it's just him being a contrarian. I don't know, have 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:02.520 to go to college. You know. Now I know, like, 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.440 oh man, it wasn't as deep as I thought it was. 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.440 You know, so you're making it. Yeah at the moment 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:11.120 you're liking genius, Like Dark Trusted Fantasy was like the 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.720 most amazing album I had ever heard up to that point, 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.200 brilliant and yeah, as you guys are talking, there's like 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:19.560 sprinkles of religious stuff in that one, and then a 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:21.560 lot of his stuff and he just takes it one 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.240 step too far, because I just remember thinking like, oh, 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:27.120 this guy's a musical genius, and then when you see 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:30.360 that genius kind of turn on itself, it's just really disappointing. 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.720 But yeah, shout out Van for like confronting him and 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:38.400 directly saying you're wrong. This hurts and I can't believe 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.440 you say that, and you owe your community and apology. 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:44.320 That was pretty dope. Yeah, So after that incident, he 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:48.080 took to Twitter dot com to clarify, slash, defend, slash 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:52.040 double down on his slavery comments, talking about being mentally 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:55.240 enslaved and how it's we need to you know, this 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.400 is just an example, like and how his comments were 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.600 just an example of of free thought. It's an idea, 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.840 and once again I'm being attacked presenting new ideas. And 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.040 then he ended this kind of tweet thread with a 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:10.880 fake Harriet Tubman quote saying I freed a thousand slaves. 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:13.560 I could have freed a thousand more. Officely they knew 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:15.760 they were slaves, which is not not a real Harriet 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.120 Dubling quote. Now that that doesn't seem like a thing 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.600 she would say at all, and all of all the 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:23.640 tweets were lated deleted, but it was it was kind 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:25.639 of doubling down on some of the same rhetoric and 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:30.760 then allegedly, um some of the TMZ staffers have also 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:34.440 now come out and said that he said some andy 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.680 semitic things during during the interview that were cut out. 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:39.879 Now that's not verified and TMZ is obviously not a 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:44.879 great source, but just an interesting note on him possibly 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.000 saying some other things that people were thought were kind 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:48.720 of weird. Just thought that we may as well just 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:50.960 cut this out because it doesn't seem super relevant at 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:55.199 the time anyway. So around the same time in eighteen, 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:59.800 Kanye befriended someone named Candice Owens, who was at the 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:03.159 time the communications director for the far right group Turning 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.639 Point USA, led by man with face too small for 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:11.800 his head, Charlie kirk Um. Kanye tweeted quote that he 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:16.520 loved the way Candice Owens thinks. Um candas Owens basically 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.320 makes all of her money by being paid by rich 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:23.840 conservative white men to say that racism isn't a problem anymore. Uh. 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:28.000 Days after his Candace Owens tweet, when there was the 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:31.960 mega hat wearing TMZ visit, he was accompanied by to 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:36.080 TMC by Candas Owens. Uh. That's something that a lot 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:40.040 of people miss is that Owens is Owens is a 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.720 is a core vector point for all of the stuff 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:46.679 around Kanye UM and much of Kanye's rhetoric in this 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:50.840 vein of like slavery being thought to control, a lot 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.760 of that directly comes from Owens. That that that's the 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:57.399 talking points that Yeah, all of those talking points come 0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:59.840 directly from Owens, which come from her being paid by 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:05.520 the Brothers UM. And then obviously, West solidified his position 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.120 in the pro Trump camp with the heavily publicized Whitehouse 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:11.359 visit in late October eighteen where Kanye give like a 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.320 ten minute long monologue while wearing the Niga hat and 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:19.480 I love this guy right here. Let me get this guy. 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:23.560 I love this guy right here. That's really, that's really 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:26.000 and that's from the heart. I didn't want to put 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:29.640 you in that position, but that's from the heart. These 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:33.560 are like the intersections that are being vectored in this 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:37.520 scenario in this thing is like like I said, like 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:40.560 I I didn't, I did not want to cover this, 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:44.399 but now that it's like it's clearly necessary to do 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:48.760 just for even for this context, like there's a certain 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:54.840 I save. I save the word coon, like con is 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:58.000 not something you throw around like that's to me, it's 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:01.680 the yeah, it is. It's far as far as a 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.560 black person or me as somebody who works in justice 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:06.240 and stuff like that, it is the worst thing I 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:08.520 can call you, you know what I'm saying, So like 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:14.040 I save that term. And and it's because of the 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:19.680 same reason why it's hard for the totality of our 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:25.240 of the black community to ever really fully disavow somebody. 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:29.000 It's because of our history of collective suffering, like are 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:32.240 We've survived because of our communal protection of each other. 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:36.240 So even when somebody is losing it, it's just like baby, 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:38.879 just come home, baby, Okay, listen, No, he hadn't a 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:40.880 bad day, you know. I mean, you just you want 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:44.360 so much to protect them because you understand how much 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:48.400 internalized like self hate and racism, how much you internalize 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:51.080 that stuff, you know, so you just want so bad, 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:55.280 so bad to be like Okay, Candice, let's turn the 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:58.359 cameras off, like you're getting your money, right, that's this, 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:00.840 this is what we're doing, right. You just come on, 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:03.720 you can tell us, you just give you getting your money, 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:06.920 just tell us, you know, it's like, you know, no, family, 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:09.479 don't really believe it's do you? You know? And and 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:11.800 then we get to be like, baby, don't get your 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:14.720 money like that, like, don't don't get your money based 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.480 on our suffering like you, because you're thinking that there's 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:22.320 no there's no way, there's no way this is really you, 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:26.200 you know, and so so so when you put those 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:29.479 two together, it's like, like, why did it take us 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:31.880 so long to disavow R Kelly? Why did it take 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:34.360 us so long that this Why is Chris Brown still 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:36.480 a star? You know what I'm saying, It's because it's 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:39.879 it's because of that. It's just you don't ever want it, 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:43.000 like you gotta save you gotta save coon. You gotta 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:45.199 save that for when you really mean it, you know 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:48.920 what I mean? Uh, For me personally, I'm like I 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:51.320 just don't. I don't pull that word out off in 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:55.200 And then there's moments when you're just like, I don't 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:57.280 know what else to call it. This, Like I just 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:01.720 you if you if you are selling your own people 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:07.880 out for the purpose of making money, that's cone that's conery, 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:11.719 Like I don't, and it's it's just hard for me 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:14.159 to say it, but anyway, go on, tell us more 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:17.840 about Candice owns. The girl had suited the girl that 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:22.000 suited her school suited her school board for racism, she sed, 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:25.639 she did, Yeah, she sure did. We'll get back to 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:29.399 Owens in a bit. By the time nineteen started, uh, 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:32.040 you know, this is when Kanye went public about his 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:36.880 born again conversion to Christianity and kind of his full 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:41.359 pivot towards the I guess mostly kind of untapped mainstream 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:43.920 Christian rap market, which is kind of I'm going to 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:45.840 try to frame some of his decisions here as being 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:50.400 more monetarily driven then what a lot of people assume, 0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:55.560 because I can totally understand these as business choices, especially 0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:59.760 coming after the Trump visit, his his his State of 0:22:59.840 --> 0:23:02.040 the him in with Trump and friendship with Candace Owens 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:05.840 handed him a partially alieneded fan base, accompanied by a 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:09.359 new wave of fans from right wing Christian evangelicals to 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:12.159 all right, you know, turning point you with say, Daily 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:17.080 Wire type supporters, and then by the beginning of twenty nineteen, 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:20.120 West kind of tamped down on some of his explicit 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:25.040 Trumpian political persona type stuff, and in its place came 0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:29.080 this weekly pseudo Christian gathering known as the Sunday Service, 0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:33.879 just like a weekly mostly invite only, choir packed music 0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:37.760 gathering that changes locations every week. Sometimes that properties owned 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:42.800 by Kanye, sometimes that churches outdoors all all around the country. 0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:44.920 Yes see, And this is this is where things get 0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:48.040 uncomfortably start to get uncomfortably culty. This is where things 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:51.639 get quite culty. And it's like and and and and 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:54.359 don't get it, like, let me not, let me not 0:23:54.520 --> 0:24:01.000 cap they were objectively dope, like as as music concern Hey, 0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:04.000 these are objective and that's and that's the hard part 0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:07.520 about Kanye where it's just like just dope. Though, look, 0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:10.200 you go back, you go back a couple of decades. 0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:14.679 That was not untrue. If people's temple, they had great artists, 0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:16.600