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Speaker 1: This has been the introduction to the podcast. I'm Robert Evans.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone else, Hello, Hello, good morning afternoon. This is Garrison. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We have Sharene and we also have our friend Prop

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Speaker 1: from Hood Politics here. Hello, greets, y'all talk to me nice.

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Speaker 1: I fully respect the transparency about like will you get

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Speaker 1: paid regardless? Yeah, exactly exactly whether or not we learned

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Speaker 1: if it could happen here. Here's the thing. When I

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Speaker 1: Prop what hurt you? Oh? God, Garrett, the main streaming

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Speaker 1: of it do semitic rhetoric. Um, so you did a

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Speaker 1: good job there, Garrison. Great, you know what, you know

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Speaker 1: that was Garrison. That was yeah, So it's Varsity bro.

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Speaker 1: That was Varsity fan. Unfortunately, today we're gonna be talking

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Speaker 1: and adhere to a strict address code that changed every week. Um.

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Speaker 1: The service featured gospel inspired remixes of classic songs from

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Speaker 1: different genres, and also strike choir led gospel tunes with

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Speaker 1: the occasional biblical servant, often often given by like a

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Speaker 1: white guy in his thirties or sometimes Kanye Yeah, it's it's.

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Speaker 1: It's probably mostly known for attracting celebrities to come and

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Speaker 1: then also playing at Coachella in twenty Yeah. Well there's

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Speaker 1: nothing wrong with Acella. So yeah, nothing, nothing ever bad.

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Speaker 1: Half of that couch there, and they're just normal booking

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Speaker 1: promoters that are just looking at numbers and saying these

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Speaker 1: people will buy tickets. So I know, I showed this

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Speaker 1: to you, Garrison Prop. Have you ever seen the movie,

437
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Speaker 1: um Marjo, No, I have not. There's a couple of

438
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Speaker 1: it's about the evangelical movement right at the start of

439
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Speaker 1: the religious right okay, the fallwell days and everything, And

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Speaker 1: there's a couple of moments that show an early megachurch

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Speaker 1: with a majority black congregation and incredible singers and incredible

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Speaker 1: music acts, and then a bunch of like old white

443
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Speaker 1: people running things and taking all the money. Um, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, Yeah, it makes me think about that. I

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Speaker 1: don't know entirely. Yeah, the the and the thing is

446
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Speaker 1: like like I said, you know, uh obviously as a

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Speaker 1: end of the show, you know, I'm familiar, you know,

448
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Speaker 1: get the same with your your history, and even you

449
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Speaker 1: describing your history of church is just like that, that's

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Speaker 1: just not my experience. Like that wasn't the church we

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Speaker 1: were in, because I was just in a whole different tradition,

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Speaker 1: you know. So when you when you come across and

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Speaker 1: I like, I can't stress this enough. When you come

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Speaker 1: across you know, the Nashville of it all, the like

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Speaker 1: the CCM of it all, like and and and these bigger,

456
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Speaker 1: you know, suburban, mega white churches like you again you

457
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Speaker 1: think you're saying the same thing, like you you just

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Speaker 1: it's this weird like and I know one of the

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Speaker 1: things for me was like and then Oscar Grant happened,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then Mike Brown happened.

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Speaker 1: And then I'm like and then you realize like, oh yeah,

462
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,239
Speaker 1: now we're not We're not. And then that begins. Then

463
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Speaker 1: you start questioning your own background, like dude, well like,

464
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Speaker 1: well what did we believe? And we was kids, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And then looking at this Sunday

466
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Speaker 1: looking at this Sunday service, I was like, yo, this

467
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Speaker 1: is this is youth group. That's we did in youth group.

468
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Speaker 1: You just you know, you get a good singer and

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Speaker 1: they remix a Jodacy song and just praise in it.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm like, oh, this is

471
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Speaker 1: You're just singing up a pop song and you're just

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Speaker 1: giving it Christian words. This isn't clever, Like you know,

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Speaker 1: we've we've been doing this, you know. And and but

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Speaker 1: then like like yeah, like the same thing, like once

475
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Speaker 1: you exit that like you know that subculture, and you

476
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Speaker 1: start like breathing the air and you're just like, oh

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Speaker 1: so you so you're telling me Muslims don't have horns,

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Speaker 1: and aren't you know what I'm saying, going to immediately going, well,

479
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Speaker 1: it's not like that. It seems like it turns out

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Speaker 1: there just wonderful human beings that believe beautiful things. Then

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Speaker 1: you start looking back and you're going, damn, maybe I

482
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Speaker 1: was kind of maybe I did kind of drink that

483
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Speaker 1: cool aid, you know. But yeah, and we're talking about,

484
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Speaker 1: you know, when we're talking about how kind of the

485
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Speaker 1: white suburban church can be sometimes saying the same words

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Speaker 1: but also be very different. We'll be talking about Joel

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Speaker 1: Osteen in a little bit oh yes, oh yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: the smiling like I'm telling you dig like you just

489
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Speaker 1: you just and then yeah, once you once, once the

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Speaker 1: veil comes off and you realize like the way these

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Speaker 1: people are talking to you. And for me, it was like,

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Speaker 1: oh shit, you use the same the same words you're

493
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Speaker 1: using about my experience, you're using about the queer community,

494
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm using about the trans community. And then you start going,

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Speaker 1: oh shit, oh okay, oh it's on now, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Now you're like, Okay, nah, I'm cool

497
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Speaker 1: on all this. Let me let me go, let me

498
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Speaker 1: go to Ethiopia, you know, let me see what y'all

499
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Speaker 1: think about this, you know. But yeah, any anyway, yeah

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Speaker 1: that that that that aspect. And then I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm rambling because it's such it's so close to home.

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Speaker 1: This Kanye sid is so close to home that like,

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Speaker 1: you're like, because I can see how you'd fall for it,

504
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: is what I'm trying to see how he'd fall for it,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of at the height of his Sunday

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Speaker 1: Service stuff in because when Kanye started openly talking about

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Speaker 1: his born again conversion to Christianity, I'm gonna, I'm gonna,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote a Fox News article quote yea, you

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Speaker 1: must be born again. Kanye West and Kim Kardashian shared

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Speaker 1: their Christian faith in a big way over this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Adam Tyson, a pastor from southern California, told Fox News

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Speaker 1: recently that he's been leading West in a Bible study

513
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Speaker 1: for months now and would quote teach from God's Word

514
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Speaker 1: about how salvation is only by grace alone, through faith alone,

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Speaker 1: in Christ alone. Great cutting edge journalism. I also reformed

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Speaker 1: Calvinist talk. Yeah, this is always interesting and I guess

517
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Speaker 1: meaningless because they don't have to be consistent. But I

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Speaker 1: can remember when Kanye said what he said about George

519
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Speaker 1: Bush after Katrina and the degree to which Fox News

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Speaker 1: treated him like a fucking ghoul, like like the incarnation

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Speaker 1: of yea. Some of the cruelest and most racist ship

522
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Speaker 1: I ever saw on Fox News was focused around that.

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Speaker 1: But no, now he's now he's publicly praying, so like

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Speaker 1: he's back on our side. We're all good. You know?

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Speaker 1: That was that clip was It was around the time

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Speaker 1: of like ring tones. It was my ring tone. I'm

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Speaker 1: saying George Bush doesn't care about black people. That was

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Speaker 1: my ring tone. Because of those things. Fucking somebody needed

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Speaker 1: to say it. Somebody needed to say it. Somebody needed

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Speaker 1: to say it, yo. And then when you see like

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Speaker 1: out of y'all remember this, but George George Bush did

532
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Speaker 1: a post like presidential interview and they asked him like,

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Speaker 1: what was your like lowest point in when your president?

534
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Speaker 1: He was like when Kanye said, didn't care about black people,

535
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Speaker 1: Like not the multiple invasions, not the two times you

536
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Speaker 1: invaded foreign country, none of that, none of the war crimes,

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Speaker 1: none of that. Cool when you said you ain't care

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Speaker 1: about black people, that is I I gotta say, though,

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00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: that's also kind of because I remember when he said that,

540
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Speaker 1: how happy everybody was, just because it was nice to

541
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Speaker 1: see George Bush sad. But it's also kind of another

542
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Speaker 1: harbinger of well, that's maybe too much cultural power for

543
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Speaker 1: one man should have all that. We got there because

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Speaker 1: difference I knew how to make. Yes, it definitely added

545
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Speaker 1: to Kanye's cash a because it was like, bro, you

546
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Speaker 1: you did it. You took down a president. Yeah, you

547
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Speaker 1: know the last rapper to takedown a president. Yes, the

548
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: last rapper to takedown a president was easy. And I

549
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: iced tea like it took a long time. Well, we

550
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: could get somebody lay Eazy, We're talking about, you know,

551
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: the Jerry Curl juice dripping on the White House, like

552
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Speaker 1: that's that's eat, that's easy, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And then you know with body counting cop killer from

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Speaker 1: iced tea, like that was the last time anybody was

555
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Speaker 1: able to take out a president, you know. So I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you didn't you and the Annals of History, now, fam,

557
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Speaker 1: that's what we thought at least. Yeah, So I think

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Speaker 1: I think stuff like that made him think he's like

559
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Speaker 1: he transcended blackness the same way like j thinks he has,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think that mentality plays,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, a lot into the Messiah complex that

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Speaker 1: he clearly has. Yeah. After the Kim Kardashian baptism and

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Speaker 1: the Adam Tyson Bible study groups, Kanye started talking much

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Speaker 1: more openly about the like the evangelical style born again

565
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Speaker 1: conversion that he had in While at the biggest to

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Speaker 1: make a church in the country based out of Houston, Texas,

567
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Speaker 1: Kanye talked about his recent conversion to Christianity to the

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Speaker 1: sixteen People President at the churches regular Sunday service, Kanye

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Speaker 1: declared that he no longer cares for fame and money,

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Speaker 1: but it's only in the service of God. And in

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Speaker 1: conversation with the celebrity pastor Joel Osteen at the church,

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Speaker 1: Kanye said, quote, the only superstar is Jesus, and I

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Speaker 1: know that God has been calling me for a long

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Speaker 1: time and the devil has been distracting me for the

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Speaker 1: long time. Here's a pro tip. The only time you'll

576
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Speaker 1: ever hear someone say I no longer care for money,

577
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Speaker 1: it's because their riches God right, as they have enough

578
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Speaker 1: of it. Yes, you have more than you could spend

579
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Speaker 1: in a In a radio interview, Kanye into into more

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Speaker 1: detail about his conversion, saying that he began reading the

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Speaker 1: Bible during his hospitalization for mental health issues and started

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Speaker 1: quote writing and copying out Bible verses, which is not

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Speaker 1: listen ya, Like, I don't want to be just like

584
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Speaker 1: blatantly anti Bible, but if you're in the hospital for

585
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Speaker 1: mental issues, they should let people they should not let

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00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: you access any religious text at all, Like any religious text.

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00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: This is but like like this whole the story is

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Speaker 1: it is standard inner city church talk, Like this is

589
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: par for the course. You're like, look, dude, you know

590
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: you go up and you give you give your testimony

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Speaker 1: and testimony service. You know, I was listen, I was outside,

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Speaker 1: I was doing all the gangs. I was with all

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Speaker 1: the girls. And then one day I was high, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was in nine gangs and I was and I

595
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: was at a four day binger, and I just looked

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Speaker 1: up and I said, God, if you could get me

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Speaker 1: out of this, you know. And then over in the corner,

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Speaker 1: I saw a Bible like it's it's standard, you know, Yeah, yeah,

599
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: it's there's so much about it that standard. Also, just

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00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: to Evangela again, I brought up the whole I know,

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Speaker 1: younger care about money, but every one of these rich

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Speaker 1: megachurch pastors who is making hundreds of millions of dollars

603
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: a year will have speeches where they're like, I don't care.

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Speaker 1: The money means nothing to me. It's all for God everything,

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Speaker 1: Like he's the only real star up here. Like it's

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00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: it's it's all very again. If you're I think this

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00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: hit people like a brick who aren't familiar having had

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Speaker 1: experienced particularly like strains of Southern Christianity. Yeah, but the

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Speaker 1: way Kanye has been talking makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: But it's also I think that chunk of people were

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Speaker 1: all flume mixed by the black Israelism stuff, which I'm

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Speaker 1: guessing we're going to talk. Yeah, that that's more Northeastern

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Speaker 1: Middle Yes, that the Hebrew is realized stuff. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's go, So stay there a lot of thoughts. So

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Speaker 1: around this time in nineteen is when Kanye announced he's

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Speaker 1: no longer making secular music, which is a term I

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Speaker 1: heard a lot as a kid music. Absolutely not no,

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Speaker 1: no way, that's worldly man worldly. When the last time

619
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Speaker 1: I heard the phrase worldly? Yes, ye, worldly, I'm in

620
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: the world. That's right, that's right. So this led to

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Speaker 1: his late twenty nineteen album Jesus Is King. It's objectively

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Speaker 1: it's a good alpul um it is it's also borderline

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Speaker 1: Christian diminionist in some themes. Um. The very first words

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Speaker 1: in the album are God is King, we are the

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Speaker 1: Soldiers um. And that song ends with the Army of

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Speaker 1: God and we are the Truth um. So you know

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Speaker 1: that that goes into the entire ideas about like the

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00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: Kingdom of God where the soldiers. So in this idea

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Speaker 1: there's there's like there's this battle between the antagonism against

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Speaker 1: the godly community from the forces of spiritual darkness and

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Speaker 1: you know, shout out and woo woos in there. There's

632
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Speaker 1: for every Christian rapper of the world who had this

633
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: guy make one one record and then cover everybody's charts.

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Speaker 1: So now no one cares about your how you've been

635
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Speaker 1: serving at these like you know, camp cann of cooks,

636
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: you know, wrap it in these twelve year old white

637
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: kids and trying to get your trying to get your

638
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: albums out, and then this Kanye just cleans up your

639
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: whole ste genre. He had the pretty funny song, in

640
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: my opinion, closed on Sunday. You might check fil A,

641
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 1: which I think is funny. Now that is that's actually

642
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: pretty good. But the man is talented. No one's art.

643
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: It's also probably sincere. That song ends with Jesus listen

644
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: and obey, so like it's you know, um no, it's

645
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's it's funny. It's like that. There's

646
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: just there's this like with hip hop, you know, as

647
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 1: a rapper, there's this like fine line between clever bars

648
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: and dad jokes like you you you got a teeter

649
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: on that and I was like, yo, you are dancing

650
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: on that on that border with this one, you know,

651
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: so evangelicals kind of embraced Kanye in this period. Some

652
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 1: were obviously skeptical based on him being a black person

653
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: and his in his general past, but overall a lot

654
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: a lot of people were happy to have kind of

655
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: to use him as a token figure almost um in

656
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: a in a in a Guardian piece titled Kanye West

657
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: is Spreading the Gospel of White Evangelicals, Malika Havali writes, quote,

658
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: like other black conservatives, the rapper and designer downplays racism

659
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: while promoting bootstrap virtue signaling while signifying Black cultural and

660
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: religious traditions. His album is peppered with samples of Black

661
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: church staples like James Cleveland's God Is West advances the

662
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: gospel of white evangelicals. Although he has challenged convention nearly

663
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: every aspect of his artistic life, Kanye West has been

664
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: born again as a conservative. And that whole article is

665
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: a really good piece kind of going into how how

666
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: specifically he's the type of thing he's engaging with is

667
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: distinct from the Black church tradition, and it's just like

668
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: Joel Osteen Ship absolutely and then the Hill song of

669
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: it all exactly exactly do you cover Hill? Are we

670
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: gonna talk about hill Song at all. I don't have

671
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: anything of hill Song in this script. The script is

672
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: already too long. It might it might need to be

673
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: a two parter at this point. Will probably do Hillsong

674
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: on bTB at some point. Hill Song was a big

675
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: part of my childhood. Yeah, is a big part of

676
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: the whole fascism, Yeah, my child I really feel like

677
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: I really feel like just as just secular, just just

678
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 1: the idea of just like secular, like academia. Anybody who

679
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: studies culture. I feel like the effects of something like

680
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: a hill Song is always siloed into this like study

681
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: of religion, you know what I mean, this is just

682
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: the state, but like really the cultural societal impact global

683
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,959
Speaker 1: like of something like a hill Song stretches so far

684
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: past just a theological or religious thing. I think. I

685
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: don't think people really understand like the influence something like

686
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: a hill Song would have. And just like any other thing,

687
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: it's like you know, a squad in there, mess cool

688
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: people there, you know what I'm saying, go on, go on,

689
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's some stuff that I

690
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: was just like, all right, yeah, no, y'are weird those

691
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: but you know, but generally it's like I mean, yeah,

692
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 1: like you just be DMX went to Hillsong, New York,

693
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like, so this the type

694
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:59,959
Speaker 1: of influence over so much of the even just pop music.

695
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: It's like you understand, like like Top you know, number

696
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: of Top forty pop songs were actually written by their

697
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: worship band, Like just stuff like that. Like that the

698
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: effects of something like a hill song, I feel like

699
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: is grossly under under reported and underrated. Another interesting note

700
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: UM the University of Virginia professor Ashton Crawley wrote for

701
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: MPR and saying, quote, Kanye West has used the concept

702
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: of salvation to disallow thoughtful engagement with his politics. I

703
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: think is an interesting sidebar to kind of everything we've

704
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: talked about, especially with his with his more evangelical stuff

705
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: coming directly after his Trump stuff. UM. Now, obviously I

706
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on inside Kanye's head, nor can

707
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: I judge his sincerity of faith, but I can certainly

708
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: see the business aspect of brounding yourself as basically the

709
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: first like extremely mainstream Christian rap artist in twenty nineteen,

710
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: I can totally I can see from a business perspective

711
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: what happened in eighteen with his politics, I can I

712
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: can see how this may have been a gamble that

713
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: he took. UM. So throughout after his Sunday Service kind

714
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: of era, Kanye was kind of running for president, but

715
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: like not really. It mostly seems to be a publicity thing. UM.

716
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: His campaign obviously did not result in him becoming naming president,

717
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: but it did result in his wife divorcing him in

718
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: favor of Pete Davidson. UH. The most notable aspect of

719
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: his campaign is in July, at a rally in North Charleston,

720
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: South Carolina, Kanye broke in into here is as he

721
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: as he claimed that him and his wife had discussed

722
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: abording their first child. UM. This allegedly left his wife

723
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: mortified and quote deeply worried over Kanye's mental state, which

724
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: eventually led to their divorce. Kanye continued and continues to

725
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: focus on abortion. UM, but he continued to talk about

726
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: that throughout his quote unquote campaign and in interviews UM.

727
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: Later that September, he said that God revealed to him

728
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: a quote the black genocide that is abortion. UM. God

729
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: revealed that to him. Is this the same line? Yeah,

730
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 1: I'll say this. I don't have a lot of nice

731
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: things or a lot to say at all about Kim Kardashian.

732
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: But one of the first thing I thought back when

733
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: he got institutionalized during his mental health outbreak is like, oh,

734
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 1: people actually care about him, Like he actually has people

735
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: in his life who love him and are making him

736
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: seek help. Um, which a lot of very famous people

737
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: who have you know, psychotic episodes and stuff don't don't

738
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: have that, right, no one around them is willing to

739
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: be critical enough to be like, you need help right now.

740
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 1: It does seem like she really tried to help. Yeah,

741
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: it's crazy to think that, like like on on our

742
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: like bingo card that the adult in the room was

743
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: going to be Kim Kardashian. Yeah, like I her would

744
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: have not predicted that, you know her, her actions in

745
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: the marriage make sense to me. Yeah. So with all

746
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: of that context, this finally leads us to our main

747
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: topic of discussion. Haven't there yet recent actions coments leaked

748
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: to white supremacy and anti semitism. So this most recent

749
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: circus started at the beginning of October during Paris Fashion Week,

750
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: where Kanye literally hand in hand with far right media

751
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: personality Kinda's Owen's debuted his new line of T shirts

752
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: while wearing a long sleeve that read white Lives Matter. Now,

753
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: this is this The slogan is obviously in response to

754
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: blm um, but the more formal like white Lives Matter

755
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 1: movement is is like an explicitly neo Nazi group tied

756
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: to the area in resistance society, the National Socialist movement

757
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: and the loyal white knights of the Ku klux Kan.

758
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: So it's like the actual group is explicitly like Nazis,

759
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: but obviously the slogan is not. It's easy to come

760
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: up with the slogan white Lives Matter, like it's not

761
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: like that's not like where did he get that from? Like?

762
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: Come on? So Kanye's promotion of the slogan was obviously

763
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: celebrated by many neo fascist online celebrities. Nick Fuentez of

764
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: America first forwarded the post, saying that quote anti white

765
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: racism and white Lives Matter are now mainstream. This is

766
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: an unambiguous win um And then A. Tucker was very

767
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: quick to do a segment on his show where he

768
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 1: wondered what the T shirt was really about. Days ago,

769
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: during fashion week in Paris, West accompanied by his friend

770
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: Candice Owens, unveiled a t shirt that read simply white

771
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: Lives Matter. The response from the fashion industry in international

772
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: media was instantaneous and uniform shock, horror, rage. There was

773
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: no excuse for this, thundered The New York Times. West

774
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: is legitimizing extremism, shrieked Rolling Stone, etcetera, etcetera. What was

775
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: strikingly missing from the coverage, whoever, was any explanation for

776
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: why West did this? What was the T shirt about?

777
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: No one seemed to think to ask him, much less

778
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: to listen to what he had to say. Instead, the

779
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: enemies of his ideas dismissed West, as they have for years,

780
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 1: as mentally ill, too crazy to take seriously, Look away,

781
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: ignore him. He's a mental patient. There's nothing to see here.

782
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: I don't know who's who's to say? Who who's to say? Really?

783
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: How surprise all the all Lives Matter people weren't in

784
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: such an uproar about that. Yeah, I wonder why. The

785
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: next Monday, Kanye wrote on Instagram, quote, everyone knows that

786
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter was a scam. Now it's over your

787
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: welcome out. This is this is this is right. This

788
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: is like direct Candace Owen's ship in a way that

789
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: will explain later. Um, but so, a few days after

790
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: Kanye and models for his new Easy lineup don the

791
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: White Lives Matter t shirts at Paris Fashion Week, he

792
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: himself made an appearance um to quote Rolling Stone on

793
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: the show Where White Lives Matter the Most, Tucker Carlson's

794
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: Fox News show, Tuck across It Tonight. Honestly, solid, solid

795
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: turn of phrase. Yeah, that's that's a good way to

796
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: write that. Good. Thank thank you, comrade rolling Stone. So

797
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: you made reference to the white Lives Matter T shirt

798
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: she brought out at Paris Fashion Week? Why did you

799
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: do that? And what did it mean? You know? I did?

800
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: I do certain things from a feeling I like, I

801
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: just I just channeled the energy. It just feels right

802
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: it using a gut instinct, a connection with God and

803
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: just brilliance. You know, because if you ask, like Tanya Harding,

804
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: how she did the triple flip or the triple spin,

805
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: she was in so much practice that when it was

806
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: time for her to skate in a in a kind

807
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: of competitive format, it just happened. Like it happened outside

808
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: of practice, that happened in the real format. And that's

809
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: what happened. That's what's happening is God is like preparing

810
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: us for the real for the real battles, and we

811
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: are we are in a battle with the media, like

812
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: the majority of the media has a godless agenda. Oh

813
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: that's brilliant. So um. In the cliff, he talks about

814
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: this idea coming to him as like a feeling. Um,

815
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: this is basically the same explanation that he gave for

816
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 1: wearing the mega hat. It's like a spontaneous not instinct

817
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: or feeling, the spontaneous decision you make to make model

818
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 1: and sell over priced printed T shirts. That about like

819
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: wearing a kilt. I remember for one of the records,

820
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: he said he had that feeling over that he was

821
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: going to do it in Chicago because he wanted to

822
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: set young black man free. So he's gonna wear a

823
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: cult uh. He also said when he was going to

824
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: run for president that it just happened in the shower

825
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: and he just started laughing and he was like, I'm

826
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: gonna round for president. I'm gonna be the president. I

827
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: don't like not believe him that these exact like come

828
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: this way like exactly, Like yeah, that probably, but it's

829
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: it's funny to frame the decision to like do these

830
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: very planned out things as just a single, like gut

831
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: gut moment of spontaneous instinct, because making and producing T

832
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: shirts takes like it's like a process. And he talked

833
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: about this as if he decided to do this like

834
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: right before going on stage at Paris Fashion Week, which like, no,

835
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: like this was like a decision that you may aid

836
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: and you then took steps to execute. Um. So in

837
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: then in that section of the interview, Kanye did go

838
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: on to dismiss the assertion that his behavior is the

839
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: result of any mental health issues. UM. Then, in a

840
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: segment talking about Lizzo and body positivity, Tucker and Kanye

841
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: had this exchange referencing body weight being demonic and a

842
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: part of quote black genocide. It's actually clinically unhealthy and

843
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: for people to owe to promote that. Um it's said

844
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: it's demonic. You know what would I ask you? I've

845
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 1: noticed this. Also, why do you think they would want

846
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Speaker 1: to promote unhealthiness among the population. It's a genocide of

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Speaker 1: the black race. They want to kill us in any

848
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Speaker 1: way they can. Kanye then goes on to talk about

849
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: like abortion also being black genocide, which he has been

850
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: talking a lot about in the past few weeks. Um, yeah,

851
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: that Lizzo clip, Like, man, it's that was like just

852
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: like I mean, like I can only wait, I can

853
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: only think of like vulgar phrases to describe it, where

854
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: it's just like just it just kicked me and my balls, dude,

855
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: like we're already on the ground. Just that's what if

856
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: it's just felt like a ball stomp or it's just

857
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: like you don't have to come on, man, you're a

858
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: you're down bad bro, Like really, I got nothing, man,

859
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: Like why are you going to I'm gonna like it's exhausting. Yeah,

860
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 1: that's what I'm trying to say. It's exhausting. We just like, yeah,

861
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: all of all of the coverage is exhausting and feeding

862
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: and like the feeding into it as media spectacle only

863
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: encourages this type of like unhealthy behavior and it does

864
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: not help, Like it it doesn't help to be a

865
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: regular person on social media having like strangers interact with

866
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: you in a weird way, let alone, if if you're

867
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Speaker 1: one of the most famous people in the world, Like,

868
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 1: it's it's not it's not healthy. I'm going to quote

869
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: from New Republic and this is kind of about his

870
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: white Lives Matter shirt and his initial Tucker Carlson appearance

871
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: quote little more than a troll, another tiresome and mediocre

872
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: provocation to stir up attention by using a contrarian slogan

873
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: that until now was mostly associated with far right white supremacists.

874
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: West has in recent years made more waves with his

875
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: efforts to trigger the Libs than he has with his

876
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: music White Lives Matters. It's still gonna associated with hate groups,

877
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: but he got what he sought, attention and amplification from

878
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 1: Republicans and right wing media. West earned to sit down

879
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: with Fox News on Tucker Carlson Tonight to talk about

880
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: his boy Trump and the response he has received to

881
00:53:55,520 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: his overall magaification. Carlson was hardly alone and celebrating West

882
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: for not only rejecting Black Lives Matter, but promoting the

883
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: same sense of white grievance and victimization that he has

884
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: trumpeted on his Fox News program for years. The Republican

885
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 1: House Judiciary Committee twitter account spent hours slobbering over the interview,

886
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: taking a victory lap of sorts for It's a new

887
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: generation of edge lords and the A tweet from the

888
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 1: the Judiciary gop account is still up. That just reads

889
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: Kanye period elon period Trump period, which my god, if

890
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: that's the state of the of the Republican Party, like

891
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: this your king. Yah ah. So at first, Kanye appeared

892
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: to relish in the T shirt controversy, writing on Instagram

893
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: that my one T shirt took all the attention. After

894
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: the T shirt incident, Adidas said that they were placing

895
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: its lucrative sneaker deal under review. The previous month, Kanye

896
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 1: exited his deal with the Gap. And you know, several

897
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: contemporaries of Kanye did push back on this ship that

898
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: he was pulling um, including a rapper Sean Diddy Combs

899
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: who Can, who condemned the design in a video on

900
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 1: Instagram and said, don't wear the shirt, don't buy the shirt,

901
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: don't play with the shirt. This is not a joke. Um.

902
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: And what happened next took things to a new level

903
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: of grotesqueness. West spent the next few days spewing anti

904
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: Semitic vitriol online, first on on Instagram, where Kanye posted

905
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: screenshots from a private message exchange between him and Combs

906
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: where he suggested that Combs was being controlled by Jewish people,

907
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: saying I'm gonna use you as an example to show

908
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: the Jewish people that told you to call me that

909
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: no one can threaten or influence me. So obviously not

910
00:55:54,560 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: great playing at being influenced by yeah, yes, bye bye,

911
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: like by fossil fuel billionaires essentially. Um. But yeah, obviously

912
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: not playing not great, playing right into the kind of

913
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: ideas that Jewish people like control into the entertainment industry

914
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: and like have direct influence on what people say, you know,

915
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: basic anti Semitism stuff. Um. So soon after this, his

916
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: Instagram account was suspended, and then after he was locked

917
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 1: out of his account, Kanye decided to re join Twitter

918
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: dot com after a two year hiatus, and it was

919
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: welcomed back by Elon Musk saying well, welcome back friend, um.

920
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: Minutes minutes later, minutes after Elon's welcoming of Elon of

921
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: of of minutes minutes later after after Elon's welcoming of

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00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: of of Kanye West, Connie tweeted, I'm a bit sleepy tonight,

923
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: which is a weird way to open this tweet. By

924
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: the way, I'm a sleepy tonight, Okay, but what but

925
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 1: when I wake up, I'm going death con three on

926
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: Jewish people Jewish jew Jewish people in all caps. The

927
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Speaker 1: funny thing is is that I can't actually be anti

928
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Speaker 1: Semitic because black people are actually jew. Also, you guys,

929
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Speaker 1: I don't say the whole word jey. That was a

930
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: That was a TV joke. That wasn't Garrison being you

931
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: guys have toyed with me and tried to black ball

932
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,959
Speaker 1: anyone who are whoever opposes your agenda with the follow

933
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: up tweet saying who do you think created cancel culture? Which, well,

934
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Speaker 1: that's also okay. I I do want to stop at that.

935
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Speaker 1: That is a much deeper Nazi reference than you might guess.

936
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Speaker 1: There's a called the Culture of Critique. There was a

937
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: deep understanding among the o G Nazis back in the

938
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Speaker 1: twenties and thirties that literary criticism that like the idea

939
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: of sort of cultural criticism, that these were all Jewish

940
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Speaker 1: plots in order to like, you know, it's actually similar

941
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Speaker 1: to a a lot of what the rights is today in

942
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: order to like make white people feel bad and shamed

943
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: about their culture. Um Nazis today, there's a book called

944
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: the culture of the Culture of Critique or a culture

945
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: of Critique that's about the same thing. This is actually

946
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: a really deep idea. And Robert, are you saying that

947
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: the cultural Marxists at the Frankfurt School invented political correctness

948
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: to undermine Western civilization? Now I'm saying that, yes, But

949
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm also saying in a deeper sense that the Jews

950
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: invented the concept of feeling bad about bad things in

951
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: order to make white people feel bad about conquering the world,

952
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: which was the original. That's that's that's the o G ship,

953
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: before we water this ship down, before before it becomes

954
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: cultural Marxism, back when it's good old fashioned cultural Bolshevism. Yes, cultural,

955
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: So that's the one version. Yeah, yeah, exactly, that's the

956
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: that's the I don't know, iPhone, you know what I'm saying.

957
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: You want you want a BlackBerry racism? Yeah, that's right.

958
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: So this is basically a lot of like textbook anti

959
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: semitism um mixed in with some black Hebrew Israelite shit

960
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,919
Speaker 1: um about you know, being the true chosen people of God,

961
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: kind of akin to like the if people listen to

962
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: the show, they'll they might be familiar with like the

963
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: Nazi Christian identity idea of white Christians being the real

964
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: Israelites here. Yeah, it started, so we get the start

965
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: of Black Israelism in the Northeast into the Midwest. I

966
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: think it's Kansas and New York City are two of

967
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: the big early cities in the eighteen nineties, and it's

968
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 1: like it's number one anti Semitic from the start. An

969
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: awful lot of it is based around like a hatred

970
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: of Jewish people. Um, but it's also this like idea

971
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: that there's x number thirteen lost tribes of Israel and

972
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: then the black people are the lost tribes of Israel,

973
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: and so there would be mixes of like taking actual

974
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: elements of like Hebrew religious worship and uh mixing them

975
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: in with kind of weirder stuff. Anyway, it's it's it's

976
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,439
Speaker 1: has a long history. It is concentrated. Like the part

977
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: of this like if you have ever spent time in

978
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: like New York, like Philly or whatever, you will run

979
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: in the Black israel Lites on the street like there.

980
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: It's it's a thing that you will encounter. Um. There's

981
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: not a ton of them, I think most essentates like

982
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: twenty or thirty thousand, but they're they're very vocal. Yeah,

983
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: the phrase now with like most of the Hebrew reals lights.

984
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: It's like the two children in Israel are the black

985
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: Latino and this so called Native American or this. Yeah,

986
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: so it's this, this idea and here's where. Here's where

987
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: it gets tantalizing and complicated in I'm saying this as

988
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: a black man. You know, is you open your Bible

989
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: and at the back of every Bible got a map,

990
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: and you're looking at it and you're going, well, is

991
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: where the ship take place? Right? So you're like, well,

992
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: how come y'all only teaching us about Europeans? You only

993
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: talking about every painting got these white people everybody. You're

994
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: just like, no, this don't this ship don't make sense,

995
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: This can't be it. And then I'm getting I'm getting

996
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: deep cuts here. It's like you. And then you get

997
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: into the Book of Acts, where it's supposed to be

998
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: the Bible, like where the Gospel spreads. And the first

999
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: time they leave, the first time they leave Israel is

1000
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: Stephen meeting in Ethiopian, just meeting the Ethiopian Unich, and

1001
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: the Ethiopian goes to where where was Moses when Moses?

1002
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: Others back in the Exitus story, where was Moses? Where

1003
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: did Moses go when he fled? When he fled Egypt,

1004
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: he went to Midian, he went to Ethiopia. So you're like,

1005
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: this ship took place in Africa, right, and at the time,

1006
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: we you still believe like the Sinai Peninsula that's North Africa,

1007
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: you know, so you're like, these are brown skin people.

1008
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: Why is your narrative and everything you tell me about

1009
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: white people? So if you still believe, if you were

1010
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: still sort of like in all of the story and

1011
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: the person dilike this subversive you know, socialist, you know,

1012
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: anti imperialistic, ampi, anti empire character of Jesus that you

1013
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: know you're Arab and Muslim friends still understand as as

1014
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:35,919
Speaker 1: you know, as he says like a person, then you're like, yo,

1015
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: we might be talking about the same man here and

1016
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: he was as brown as us. So and if you're

1017
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: like and if you're like the God, you're like, dude,

1018
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: the gospel with South we hit, we hit in Ethiopia.

1019
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: There's accident the first Christian city, like at some point

1020
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: you like, the ship didn't go north until four years later.

1021
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: So you you just draw this conclusion that like, if

1022
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna box me out, my only response, if you're

1023
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: gonna box me out, of all of the clear history

1024
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: that took place among brown skinned people. Then I'm gonna

1025
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: be like, I have no choice but to be like, well,

1026
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: fuck y'all, not a true Israel over here. And if

1027
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: you read again, if you you can't not possibly be black,

1028
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: and read the book of Exodus and be like, well, ship,

1029
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: that's us. You know what I'm saying. You can't like,

1030
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: how do you not see it? You know? So, so

1031
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: it's it's so alluring, especially again when you go to

1032
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: the when the white pastor talking about like, well, your

1033
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: poverty is your choice, and hey, well you know, and

1034
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 1: your reform Calvinist person was like, well that was the

1035
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: Lord's divine will. You were you know, you were divinely ordained,

1036
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, to be suffering people. And at least at

1037
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: least you got the Gospel because you were a slave.

1038
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: Maybe God was solving. You're like, fuck that that can't

1039
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: possibly be to God I'm reading about in this book.

1040
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: You know. So you're like, Okay, well, I guess you

1041
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And then it's like I'm I'm

1042
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: ranting on this because I feel like like it's especially

1043
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: for this audience to really understand that context. You this

1044
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: this street in a lot of ways, like it became

1045
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: like this street religion. It gives these young men dignity,

1046
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You're you're offering them a

1047
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: sense of history and importance and dignity and and and

1048
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: order that we you usually just get from the streets.

1049
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's not happening a Sunday

1050
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: school because at church that's just oh black, that's just

1051
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: old women singing these hymns in the big hats. It's

1052
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: like I'm not getting that sort of like that that

1053
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Speaker 1: masculine hit, if you will, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So like this a lot of this faith, like it

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Speaker 1: really it attracts young men because it's like it's like

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Speaker 1: we it's like we needed that order. We needed somebody

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Speaker 1: to like come and like be a little more military

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Speaker 1: about us, but then tied this longer history. Because if

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Speaker 1: the only history you hear about yourself is your oppression

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Speaker 1: for somebody to be like, no, you've chosen people to God,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be like, well hell yeah, you know. And

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Speaker 1: then again, I can't stress this enough. Part of this

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Speaker 1: is in reaction to what white evangelical did by trying

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Speaker 1: to erase brown people from the history. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, It's like, um, I can't. I'm like, that's

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Speaker 1: clear he clearly your picture is Michael Angelo's booth thing

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Speaker 1: of of that's that's an Italian man like that can't

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Speaker 1: possibly be the dude in these books, you know. So

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Speaker 1: you like, I mean he was, Jesus was black, Like

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Speaker 1: I would like you just that's your only conclusion, and

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Speaker 1: you like, and these people are saying, yeah, you're right,

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Speaker 1: absolutely is, and you're like, well, we'll shoot I'll rock

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Speaker 1: with y'all, you know, And it's it's it's definitely unclear

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Speaker 1: what the extent of Kanye's belief and stuff around black

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Speaker 1: Hebrew Israelite type stuff is. He's still has a lot

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Speaker 1: of the evangelical type of stuff going on and what

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Speaker 1: he's saying, so he could have just picked up these

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Speaker 1: type to things from cultural osmosis. We'll hear a little

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Speaker 1: bit more about what he has to say about this

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Speaker 1: in the next episode, but we're gonna have to I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna have to call it there. That's going to be

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Speaker 1: a day and join us after the weekend for a

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Speaker 1: special special Part two on on on the feed talking

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Speaker 1: about more of the same more of the same thing,

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Speaker 1: but getting slightly worse. Um And it turns out when

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Speaker 1: you get kicked out Twitter, that doesn't stop you from

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Speaker 1: saying bad things. You just start saying that other places.

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Speaker 1: UM So anyway, Yeah, that's that. I very impressed, Garrison.

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