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Speaker 1: The Charlie Kirk Show starts.

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Speaker 2: Now. All of this is why.

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Speaker 3: The aliens won't talk to us.

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Speaker 4: I mean no disrespect to Congresswoman Waters, but somebody needs

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Speaker 4: to tell her that the voices in her head are

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Speaker 4: not real.

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Speaker 5: I'm less confident now than I would have been a

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Speaker 5: couple of months ago. They're not going to have a

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Speaker 5: But it would be nicer to do it without warfare,

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Speaker 5: without people dying, so much nicer to do it. But

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Speaker 5: I don't think I see the same level of enthusiasm

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Speaker 5: for them to make it deal. I think they're making it.

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Speaker 5: I think they would make a mistake, but we'll see.

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm but I know our time.

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Speaker 6: I know that you live at a I literally left

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Speaker 6: Los Angeles Sunday night. What is happening in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 6: and the way it is being depicted is not accurate.

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Speaker 6: We're talking about a square mile out of a five

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Speaker 6: hundred square mouse city. Most people are not experiencing it

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Speaker 6: the way we are showing it on television, and I

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Speaker 6: think we have to be very careful because there are

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Speaker 6: not riots in the street. There are some bad actors

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Speaker 6: and they need to be held accountable. But we have

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Speaker 6: to be careful what the language you use, because if

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Speaker 6: we say riot, we cause unnecessary fear, and the real

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Speaker 6: fear is when military people start flooding our streaks unnecessarily.

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Speaker 2: I say, really quick, I remember.

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Speaker 7: A few stand ups ago I talked about what terrorism

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Speaker 7: looks like.

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Speaker 8: This is it.

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Speaker 7: There should be no question to what our country will

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Speaker 7: look like. Have the Confederacy want? We're seeing it on

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Speaker 7: full display.

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Speaker 9: Let me, I have very mixed feelings about showing this.

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Speaker 2: To both of you.

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Speaker 10: It is It is news, but it is.

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Speaker 9: News from the Trump administration. It's a post from the

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Speaker 9: Department of Homeland Security that they put on x advertise

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Speaker 9: advertising a tip line with a poster that reads, quote,

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Speaker 9: help your country and yourself report all foreign invaders. This

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Speaker 9: is your taxpayer dollars farther than who you voted for.

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Speaker 9: If you pay taxes, your taxes are paying for this

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Speaker 9: ad being disseminated.

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Speaker 2: You provide an update on Iran.

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Speaker 11: We're hearing reports that US personnel are being.

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Speaker 6: Moved out of the region within striking business.

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Speaker 12: Well, they are being moved out because it could be

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Speaker 12: a dangerous place. And we'll see what happens, but they

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Speaker 12: are being We've given notice.

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Speaker 6: Is there anything that can be done to dial the

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Speaker 6: temperature down in the region.

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Speaker 11: They can't have a new clear, new weapon.

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Speaker 2: Very simply, they can't have a new clue.

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Speaker 13: We're not going to allow that.

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Speaker 14: I don't think this is something that's helping Republicans at all.

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Speaker 14: This is not what Donald Trump said.

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Speaker 6: He was going to do.

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Speaker 14: He said he was going to risk legal criminals, people

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Speaker 14: who are dangerous.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 14: I think it's just sinks in that there's a fundamental

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Speaker 14: American quality to see masked unidentified men in guard you

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Speaker 14: can buy on eBay, picking people off the street.

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Speaker 15: He has a responsibility in all of this. He started this.

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Speaker 15: That should be no violence. He should not continue to

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Speaker 15: support violence. They should not be edged on and provoked

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Speaker 15: in any way. And that's what the President of the

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Speaker 15: United States is doing to exert his power and to

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Speaker 16: The Trump administration is going to continue the mass deportation

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Speaker 16: effort that the President promised the American public. It's part

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Speaker 16: of the reason we do need the One Big Beautiful

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Speaker 19: Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 20: Andrew colvitt in for the one and only Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 20: dot Com. Charlie's on assignment today. Lots of news happening.

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Speaker 20: I would be remiss if we didn't mention the victims

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Speaker 20: of the Air India crash. Seven eighty seven eight Dreamliner

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Speaker 20: Boeing crashed immediately after takeoff. It was headed to London.

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Speaker 20: Two hundred and forty two people were aboard, fifty two

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Speaker 20: British nationals, and it looks like there may have been

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Speaker 20: one loan survivor. Some of the reports are mixed there,

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Speaker 20: but our hearts and our prayers do go out to

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Speaker 20: the victims of that tragedy. Absolutely incredible story. If that

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Speaker 20: is ultimately confirmed. Of the one lone survivor, we're hearing

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Speaker 20: reports that he jumped out of an exit door. He

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Speaker 20: was seated toward the front. Truly remarkable. If it ends

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Speaker 20: up getting confirmed. That's the images of him now if

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Speaker 20: out to him, to the victims and all their families

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Speaker 20: headed to London.

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Speaker 19: Pretty remarkable.

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Speaker 20: I do want to get to I believe what is

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Speaker 20: the main story right now?

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Speaker 19: Trump is in the Oval Office.

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Speaker 20: He has just signed three pieces of three House resolutions

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Speaker 20: banning the EVY mandate out of California. Many other states followed,

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Speaker 20: but that's not the main news. The main news is,

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Speaker 20: of course, the developments in the Middle I want to

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Speaker 20: bring in Jack Pasobic. He is the host of Human

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Speaker 20: Events Daily with Jackpisobic on Real America's Voice. Jack, Welcome

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Speaker 20: to the show. There's so much to unpack here with

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Speaker 20: what's going on and around. I mean, it started yesterday

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Speaker 20: we were getting reports that embassy staff non essential personnel

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Speaker 20: seem to be beating Jack Pisobic. What is the latest

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Speaker 21: Well, Andrew, thanks so much always for having me on

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Speaker 21: here in the Mobile.

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Speaker 22: Bitcoin dot Com studio. While Charlie is on assignment.

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Speaker 21: But look, you know, as a as a priority of

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Speaker 21: intelligence officer, when things like this go down, it's obviously

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Speaker 21: something that my heart's and prayers always go out to

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Speaker 21: any of the US service members and in many cases

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Speaker 21: their families, and also that includes contractors and their families.

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Speaker 21: People think that, you know, at these bases that they'll

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Speaker 21: say okay. And President Trump graciously retweeted me yesterday when

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Speaker 21: actually true if you go to if you count number

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Speaker 21: my number, but in the in the US military presidence

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Speaker 21: got those at least six B two strategic bombers down

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Speaker 21: Why a lot of people think that those long range

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Speaker 22: So what we're seeing is this.

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Speaker 21: Drum beat of will the US back strikes on Iran?

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Speaker 21: the US doesn't directly take.

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Speaker 22: Part in them.

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Speaker 21: Of course, the question is if Iran were to retaliate,

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Speaker 21: The other side is Steve Witkoff and Steve Whitcoff currently

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Speaker 20: That's going to be in Oman, and Oman has confirmed

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Speaker 20: President Trump, to his credit on this, has rebuffed Israel.

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Speaker 20: Actually that he did it in April once again in May.

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Speaker 20: The what is the urgency here, though, Jack, I mean

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Speaker 19: Is that those are the reports that we're hearing?

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Speaker 20: Is there any other indication that we know what's forcing

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Speaker 21: Well, those reports have been coming out for quite some time,

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Speaker 21: but the IC assessment has still and does remain that

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Speaker 21: of that Bushir nuclear power plant in Iran, that perhaps

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Speaker 21: certainly not a permanent agreement at all, that perhaps it

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Speaker 19: The Herzog Foundation. So, Jack, I have really two questions.

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Speaker 20: All right, without further ado Ado Representative Chip Roy, Welcome

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Speaker 20: to the Charlie kirk Show. Honored to have you, sir. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 20: we're doing all right, We've got this. There's a lot

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Speaker 20: of news right now. The reason that we wanted to

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Speaker 20: have you on in the more related to domestic affairs.

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Speaker 20: But I want to start with your take. We've been

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Speaker 20: talking about Iran. It seems like the drums of war beating.

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Speaker 20: President Trump was just asked about it from the White House.

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Speaker 20: Is an attack imminent? Was he was just asked? He said, well,

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Speaker 20: I don't want to say it was imminent, but it's

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Speaker 20: certainly a possibility.

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Speaker 19: Chip Roy. It's just your.

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Speaker 20: Your initial response to what's happening in the Middle East,

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Speaker 20: and what should President Trump supporters, conservatives, what should we

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Speaker 20: make of it?

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Speaker 25: Well, first of all, the President is exactly right and

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Speaker 25: what he just said, and I certainly personally believe we

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Speaker 25: cannot allow Ran to get nuclear capability. I fundamentally disagree

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Speaker 25: with some of the people here in this country who

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Speaker 25: I think I don't know whether you want to call

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Speaker 25: him isolations or what.

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Speaker 11: I don't believe in all of those labels.

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Speaker 25: What I know is we need to defend our interests,

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Speaker 25: and our interests are certainly very much intertwined with the

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Speaker 25: idea that a RAN should not have nuclear capability. It

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Speaker 25: would be massively destructive to peace and stability, not just

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Speaker 25: the Middle East, but to the entire world, including our

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Speaker 25: own safety and security here in this country. We know

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Speaker 25: that the leadership of RAN is radicalized, and they certainly

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Speaker 25: have no love for the United States of America.

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Speaker 11: They are our enemies. We know this.

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Speaker 25: So I be the president exactly right. And by the way,

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Speaker 25: he has given every peaceful path, maybe to a fault,

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Speaker 25: I say, respectfully, has given every peaceful path for I

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Speaker 25: RAN to try to take.

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Speaker 11: I think some of us would say, well, maybe even.

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Speaker 25: Opening the door to an agreement that maybe isn't strong

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Speaker 25: enough or aggressive enough. But bottom line is he's certainly

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Speaker 25: been trying. Because he's a president understands we all need

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Speaker 25: to be in forever wars. We don't need to be

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Speaker 25: in forever conflicts and endless wars like we work for

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Speaker 25: the first two decades of the century, but we do

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Speaker 25: need to send a loud signal.

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Speaker 11: And by the way, do I think Israel is going

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Speaker 11: to act?

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Speaker 25: Seems highly likely, certainly probable if Ran doesn't come to

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Speaker 25: their senses and come to some agreement.

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Speaker 11: That is reasonable. But you know what, Israel has acted before.

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Speaker 25: I think in like eighty two and like there's been

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Speaker 25: nuclear capability, whether it's Syria or otherwise, and that.

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Speaker 11: Didn't necessarily, that didn't trigger World War three.

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Speaker 25: Israel has a right to defend itself and ensure that

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Speaker 25: they're not going to have a nuclear capability in Iran.

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Speaker 25: In the United States, we have to defend our interests

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Speaker 25: as well. Pete Hegsett said it. Well, Israel has their

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Speaker 25: right to do it. They think it's correct. We need

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Speaker 25: to defend our interests and we will be continue to engage,

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Speaker 25: and I think the President.

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Speaker 11: Is right correct to do so.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I mean, and apparently one of the big road blocks,

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Speaker 20: Congressman is this is that Iran's saber rattling. They're saying,

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Speaker 20: in that case, America will have to leave the region

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Speaker 20: because all of its bases are within our reach. We

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Speaker 20: have access to them, and without hesitation, we will target

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Speaker 20: all of them. In the host countries. Uh, the minister

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Speaker 20: told Iranian press. So, I mean they're they're actively saber rattling.

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Speaker 20: That being said, Steve Woodcoff is still planning to be

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Speaker 20: in Oman on Sunday to continue to be the sixth

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Speaker 20: round of peace talks with representatives from Iran.

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Speaker 25: You know.

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Speaker 20: The the the issue here is that even if Israel

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Speaker 20: goes it alone, America is going to be left hold

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Speaker 20: in the bag. I mean that we're going to be

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Speaker 20: embroiled in this conflict. I heard Trump this morning from

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Speaker 20: the White House. He's you know, you can see his

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Speaker 20: eyes on on oil prices. There's some predictions that oil

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Speaker 20: prices would could double because so much of the world's

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Speaker 20: oil is going through that region. You know, is there

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Speaker 20: support within Capitol Hill, Congressman for you know, enriching you know, like,

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Speaker 20: like you said, a deal that reaches a compromise where

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Speaker 20: they're able to enrich low grade uranium for nuclear energy

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Speaker 20: purposes or you know, something of that effect, or is it?

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Speaker 19: Is it? I mean Trump seems to be.

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Speaker 20: Sounding the no no nuclear fuel, no, no no capacity

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Speaker 20: at all.

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Speaker 19: That's his that's his line.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I agree with the President.

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Speaker 25: I certainly think there are large quarters in Congress that

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Speaker 25: fully agree with the president. Again, this is a president

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Speaker 25: who has tried to see peace in every path, whether

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Speaker 25: you're dealing with Ukraine and Russia, whether as he pointed out,

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Speaker 25: you're dealing with India and Pakistan, now here with Israel

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Speaker 25: in Iran.

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Speaker 11: And again I would argue, and I.

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Speaker 25: Mean respectfully, Franklin giving in praise, he has been trying,

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Speaker 25: maybe to a fault, to give you know, exit rams

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Speaker 25: to Iran. But at the end of the day, a

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Speaker 25: nuclearized Iran is an Iran that puts the United States

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Speaker 25: at peril, and not just is not just vicariously because

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Speaker 25: they're putting Israel in peril, they put us in peril.

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Speaker 25: There are massive numbers of people in Iran, but particularly

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Speaker 25: in their leadership.

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Speaker 11: So there are a lot of people in Iran who

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Speaker 11: don't like their leadership.

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Speaker 25: They want freedom, they'd love to have, you know, the

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Speaker 25: Iran of nineteen seventy nine and previously.

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Speaker 11: And God bless them. Now you have a lot of.

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Speaker 25: Maridian Americans who, you know, they're just dying for Iran

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Speaker 25: to be you know, brought back again and out of

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Speaker 25: this crazy leadership.

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Speaker 11: But they do have crazy leadership, and.

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Speaker 25: They do have people there in charge of hate our

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Speaker 25: country and want to do as far the US to say,

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Speaker 25: we would be completely irresponsible. Just as they were irresponsible

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Speaker 25: to allow North Korea to get nuclearized, we would similarly

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Speaker 25: be irresponsible to allow Aram to be nuclearized.

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Speaker 11: And d state wives is the region, it also is

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Speaker 11: in our you know it puts US at risk.

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Speaker 20: Congressman, I want to turn our attention to some breaking

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Speaker 20: news out of your home state of Texas. Governor Greg

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Speaker 20: Abbott has deployed is in the process of deploying five

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Speaker 20: thousand National Guard soldiers in two thousand state troopers across

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Speaker 20: Texas to maintain order. This is ahead of, obviously the

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Speaker 20: no Kings protests that has planned for the weekend.

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Speaker 19: What's going on in Texas?

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Speaker 20: I mean, I think a lot of US are a

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Speaker 20: little surprised that Texas would have similar problems what we've

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Speaker 20: seen in Los Angeles. What's the update on the ground,

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Speaker 20: what can we expect?

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Speaker 11: Well, look, Texas is a great state.

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Speaker 25: We have leadership that isn't going to tolerate the kind

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Speaker 25: of garbage that we're seeing in California.

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Speaker 11: But yes, we're a state of thirty million plus people

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Speaker 11: and we.

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Speaker 25: Have some radical progressives who are being fueled by the

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Speaker 25: same people who are being fueled in California. And you've

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Speaker 25: got people that are throwing all of this into it

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Speaker 25: to try to destabilize and create chaos. We're seeing in

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Speaker 25: San Antonio, which I represent, We're seeing it throughout the state.

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Speaker 25: The governor's activating the National Guard to get in front

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Speaker 25: of this ahead of time, and he's writing to do that.

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Speaker 25: We're a long water state and we shouldn't tolerate it.

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Speaker 25: We acted swiftly at universities when they were destabilizing all

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Speaker 25: that stuff in respective Palestine and dangering our Jewish students

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Speaker 25: and others, and we acted swiftly there.

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Speaker 11: We should act swiftly now, like this stuff is crazy.

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Speaker 25: You can't allow this to happen in a country that

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Speaker 25: depends on the rule of law in order for us.

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Speaker 11: To be able to advance and prosper.

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Speaker 25: And by the way, the least so many people want

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Speaker 25: to come to the United States is because we historically have.

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Speaker 11: Defended the rule of law. Cities burning is not the

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Speaker 11: rule of law.

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Speaker 25: The fact is the president and his people are doing

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Speaker 25: the right thing to try to remove these dangerous people

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Speaker 25: that are released into our country. By Biden, but not

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Speaker 25: just that, literally millions in violation of our law and

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Speaker 25: a parole and asylum that are then using resources, using

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Speaker 25: up our law enforcement, using up hospitals, filling our schools,

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Speaker 25: and we've got to have a pause. We've got to

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Speaker 25: remove a number of large number of people. And that's

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Speaker 25: what ICE is doing. And there's no apologies on this.

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Speaker 19: Right.

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Speaker 11: We're either sovereign, national or not.

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Speaker 25: And so these guys want to pick this fight, they're

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Speaker 25: picking the wrong fight. The President is correct to do this,

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Speaker 25: the governor is correct to make sure we've gotten National

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Speaker 25: Guard pulled out.

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Speaker 11: Our law enforcement need to act.

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Speaker 25: And by the way, a message to San Antonio, which

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Speaker 25: I represented others, you know, you need to step up.

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Speaker 25: The city of San Antonio, the City of Dallas, city

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Speaker 25: of Boston, City for Worth, Houston, they need to step up.

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Speaker 25: Even though they have more liberal leadership, we do not

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Speaker 25: tolerate lawlessness in the state of Texas. And so I'm

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Speaker 25: good for the governor for engaging.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I mean, I completely agree. If they can pull

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Speaker 20: this off in Texas, Congressman, it's going to send a

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Speaker 20: terrible message across the country and the blue cities are

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Speaker 20: going to burn even more. Somehow, your colleagues in the House,

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Speaker 20: your Democratic colleagues, they keep finding themselves on the wrong

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Speaker 20: side of sixty forty seventy thirty eighty twenty issues. Seems

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Speaker 20: like they're doing it again. Let's go ahead and play

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Speaker 20: your colleague.

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Speaker 19: Rep. Evette Clark four or five.

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Speaker 26: We still don't know the full consequences of this unprecedented

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Speaker 26: authoritarian overreach. But let me be clear, Congressional Democrats stand

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Speaker 26: in full solidarity with the residents of Los Angeles, with

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Speaker 26: our immigrants, sisters and brothers, and with the peaceful protesters

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Speaker 26: who dare to speak out and who will support every

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Speaker 26: effort to oppose this president's abuse of power.

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Speaker 20: So Democrats are drawing the line and sand they're standing

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Speaker 20: in solidarity with the immigrants. Now I have a question

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Speaker 20: for you, Congressman, if somebody breaks into the country, is

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Speaker 20: that how you would define an immigrant?

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Speaker 11: Well, notice she used the word residence.

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Speaker 25: She certainly doesn't care about citizenship or legal status that

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Speaker 25: has actually earned through the proper channels of law. Let's

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Speaker 25: remember that it was the Biden administration and the radical

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Speaker 25: And they categorically released millions of people in the United

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Speaker 11: Democrats are a course on the wrong side of this.

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Speaker 25: But let's be very bit clear, they're sending a really

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Speaker 25: They're not just picking a fight on the person who

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Speaker 25: They do not believe in sovereignty. They do not believe

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Speaker 19: So Congressman, you were one, and this this is related.

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Speaker 20: You were one of the fiscal hawks in the houses.

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Speaker 19: In good faith. I know you did it through grit teeth.

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Speaker 25: Not unless the President is successful in getting the Senate

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Speaker 11: Believing that it would be deficit neutral.

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Speaker 25: I said that for a grit teeth like you said,

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Speaker 11: The Senate needs to get it right.

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Speaker 20: God bless you, Congressman, you've been doing heroes work.

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Speaker 19: We'll talk to you soon. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 11: Thanks Scouts, appreciate it.

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Speaker 20: Where this is going, where I think it should go,

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Speaker 10: We get it.

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Speaker 20: Iran wants death to Israel. They're threatening American military personnel

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Speaker 20: within the region. That's why we have moved people out

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Speaker 20: of Iran, out of Bachhran rather Kuwait, Baghdad, non essential

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Speaker 20: military personnel and their families.

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Speaker 19: They're coming out. Here's the deal Trump ran on peace

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Speaker 19: through strength.

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Speaker 20: Trump is often toubting the fact that there's been no

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Speaker 20: new wars, that he defeated Isis. We have been hearing

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Speaker 20: least ten years, maybe longer. Blake can fact check me

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Speaker 20: on that. We have been hearing that they were on

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Speaker 20: the precipice of having a nuclear weapon for a long time.

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Speaker 20: Now we're hearing that they've made advances and that they

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Speaker 20: have enough fuel to basically create ten nuclear weapons, but

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Speaker 20: they do not yet have the ability to militarize them,

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Speaker 20: Literally since the nineties, Blake says, we've been hearing this

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Speaker 20: the MAGA movement has been peace through strength, no new wars.

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Speaker 20: We have stopped the insanity of death and destruction in

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Speaker 20: the Middle East, and were.

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Speaker 19: On this show.

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Speaker 20: We're proud supporters of the state of Israel. Believe we

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Speaker 20: believe they have a right to exist, but we also

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Speaker 20: believe that something should be their problem and not necessarily

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Speaker 20: supporters of their ability to defend themselves to live in peace,

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Speaker 20: but there is no scenario here where Israel strikes Iran

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Speaker 20: and America is not also embroiled in that conflict. There

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Speaker 20: is no scenario let me repeat, where Iran is struck

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Speaker 20: by Israel, even in a precision strike, where America is

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Speaker 20: not also brought into that struggle. Now, let me explain

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Speaker 20: why that's true. Because even last year, when Israel conducted

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Speaker 20: targeted strikes on Iran, missiles were then shot back at Israel.

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Speaker 20: Some were intercepted by the Iron Dome, others were intercepted

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Speaker 20: by US military. So if Iran, with its two thousand

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Speaker 20: ballistic missiles were to fire those back at Israel, America

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Speaker 20: would be forced to respond in defense of Israel, so

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Speaker 20: that we do not have a mass casualty event.

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Speaker 19: And as Steve.

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Speaker 20: Whitkoff is now saying and has been reported by Axios

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Speaker 20: existential threat for Israel as Iran's nuclear capabilities. So one

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Speaker 20: We don't know for how long. Domestic politics in Israel

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Speaker 20: is what it is. It's complicated business, just like it

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Speaker 20: is here.

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Speaker 19: And the fear.

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Speaker 20: Is is that since Trump pulled out of the JCPOA

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Speaker 20: left to be in charge. He staved off this voter

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Speaker 20: no confidence just recently, but there could be another. And

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Speaker 20: the other issue is that Iran is creating a lot

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Speaker 20: of these ballistic missiles, so much so that they could

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Speaker 20: casualties within Israel. This is a very very tense situation.

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Speaker 20: Now here's the hope. The hope is that this is

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Speaker 20: all saber rattling, that this is three D chess, that

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Speaker 20: Trump is trying to send a message to the Iranians,

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Speaker 20: you better get serious, you better come to the table,

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Speaker 20: you better have your concessions, because this is real, and

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Speaker 20: I do think it Israel. I do think Israel wants

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Speaker 20: to actually strike Iran, which it views as an existential

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Speaker 20: But I think Trump is willing to let a few

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Speaker 20: Domino's fall in hopes that the Sunday talks with Steve

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Speaker 20: Americans and the Israelis mean business peace through strength. Trump

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Speaker 20: is always prone to saber rattling. He's always been willing

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Speaker 20: to rattle the sabers, much louder than many other people.

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Speaker 20: Hopefully this is brinksmanship. Hopefully this is brinksmanship to bring

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Speaker 20: Iran to the table. Now, Iran, as Jack Pasoviak said

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Speaker 19: This is a.

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Speaker 20: Relatively sophisticated military operation that is aided by Russian military

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Speaker 20: sources and technologies. And we have to hope and pray

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Speaker 20: that we are not embroiled in this. We don't have

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Speaker 20: the money, we don't have the Trump's base does not

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Speaker 20: have the appetite for this, and there is a desire

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Speaker 20: of our hope. Now, pray for peace, folks, Pray for peace.

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Speaker 20: That's all I can say. Pray for peace. An hour two,

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Speaker 10: And here are your headlines.

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Speaker 24: An Air India plane crashed while it was flying to

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Speaker 24: were reportedly two hundred and forty two passengers and crew

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Speaker 24: members on board the jet. It crashed in Ahmedabad, a

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Speaker 24: taking off. Air India has said that the passengers on

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Speaker 24: its flight AI one seven one included one hundred and

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Speaker 24: sixty nine and Indian nationals, fifty three British, seven Portuguese and

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Speaker 24: one Canadian passenger. Authorities say they have recovered thirty bodies

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Speaker 24: thus far. And another news anti ice riots have been

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Speaker 24: reporting that riots are being planned in certain states like

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Speaker 24: New York, Wisconsin, Tennessee, Florida, and Alabama, to name just

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Speaker 24: a few. The activist groups are reportedly partnering to host them.

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Speaker 24: The Trump administration set marines and National Guard troops to

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Speaker 24: Los Angeles to keep the peace, and Gavin Newsom has

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Speaker 24: this message for Trump.

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Speaker 10: Take a listen.

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Speaker 27: Look, this isn't just about protests here in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 27: When Donald Trump sought blanket authority to commandeer the National Guard,

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Speaker 27: he made that order apply to every state in this nation.

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Speaker 10: This is about all of us.

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Speaker 27: This is about you. California maybe first, but it clearly

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Speaker 27: will not end here. Other states are next. Democracy is next.

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Speaker 27: Democracy is under assault before our eyes. This moment we

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Speaker 27: have feared has arrived.

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Speaker 10: And turning our attention to the arts.

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Speaker 24: Last night, the Kennedy Center was on full display for

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Speaker 24: the opening night of Les Miserab President Trump, the first Lady,

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Speaker 24: Vice President j D. Vance, and Second Lady Ushavance were

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Speaker 24: in attendance. While some booed the President, many in the

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Speaker 24: audience met Trump with Chance of USA. Little mention was

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Speaker 24: made of the supposed ten performers who bowed out of

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Speaker 24: the performance in protest. Meanwhile, California Governor Gaven Newsom is

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Speaker 24: not backing down from President Donald Trump. He's telling the

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Speaker 24: nation Trump is destroying American democracy. Amid these anti ice

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Speaker 24: protest in California and now across the country.

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Speaker 10: Listen to this.

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Speaker 27: Donald Trump, without consulting California law enforcement leaders, commandeered two

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Speaker 27: thousand of our state's National Guard members to deploy on

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Speaker 27: our streets illegally and for no reason. This brazen abuse

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Speaker 27: of power by a sitting president inflamed a combustible situation,

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Speaker 27: putting our people, our officers, and even our National Guard

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Speaker 27: at risk. That's when the downward spiral began. He doubled

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Speaker 27: down on his dangerous National Guard deployment by fanning the

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Speaker 27: flames even harder, and the president he did it on purpose.

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Speaker 24: Newsom wants control back of the National Guard after President

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Speaker 24: Trump sent two thousand National Guard troops to protect federal

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Speaker 24: assets in Los Angeles. Israel has recovered the bodies of

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Speaker 24: two more hostages as Hamas attacks a Gaza a group.

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Speaker 24: The IDEAF said it has recovered the body of Yair

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Speaker 24: Yakhov and another hostage in the Communis region of the

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Speaker 24: Gaza Strip. The identity of the other hostage has not

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Speaker 24: been released. And on Saturday, the US Army will celebrate

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Speaker 24: its two hundred and fiftieth birthday with a military parade

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Speaker 24: in Washington, d C. The Army plans to put its

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Speaker 10: Those are your headlines will be writing.

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Speaker 19: All right.

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Speaker 4: I'm back in the Bitcoin dot Com studio and today

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Speaker 4: I have an amazing interview for you with my friend,

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Speaker 4: Professor Sean mcmeekon. We have a very in depth discussion

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Speaker 4: on Joseph Stalin FDR and how American liberals nearly gave

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Speaker 4: the country away to communists.

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Speaker 4: Okay, everybody, very special guest here and we're gonna talk

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Speaker 4: history communism, the rise, the fall, and then the rise

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Speaker 4: again with Professor Sean mcmeeeckon. Doctor mcmeekon, I should say

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Speaker 4: Sean is absolutely, Sean is fine. Yeah, we have lots

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Speaker 4: of these books are incredible accomplishments.

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Speaker 23: You got to write longer books. Well, yeah, I think

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Speaker 23: that one's a little longer than the other one. You're right,

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Speaker 23: this is incredible. I mean, this is I would love

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Speaker 23: to one day read it. I don't know if I

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Speaker 23: have the time, but I mean, look at the amount

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Speaker 23: of the bibliography here alone is like one hundred pages long.

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Speaker 23: It's pretty long, believe it or I actually cut about

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Speaker 23: forty thousand words from the original draft of that book

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Speaker 23: and it still ended up more than eight hundred pages long.

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Speaker 3: Well, congratulations.

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Speaker 4: I want to talk about this book in particular and

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Speaker 4: the theme which I love to overthrow the world, the

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Speaker 4: rise and fall and rise of communism.

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Speaker 3: What is this book about.

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Speaker 23: Well, so, after the fall of the Soviet Union, there

982
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Speaker 23: was a period of can almost called triumphalism. The most

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Speaker 23: famous phrase was probably Francis Fukuyama's talking about it and

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Speaker 23: the history we have the same that you yeltsin bellowing

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Speaker 23: on the tank. It looked like communism was dead, buried, finish.

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Speaker 23: There was even talk about this kind of Nuremberg trial

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Speaker 23: for Communism that everyone was maybe hoping for, wishing would happen.

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Speaker 23: In the same way that the Nuremberg trials helped put

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Speaker 23: Nazism to rest and ruined and destroyed its reputation.

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Speaker 19: Forever.

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Speaker 23: That didn't quite happen though, I mean I discovered when

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Speaker 23: I looked into all, though I lived through it.

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Speaker 1: At the time.

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Speaker 23: I remember hearing about how the Communist Party was vaguely

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Speaker 23: on trial in Russia, but the details were a little murky.

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Speaker 23: I learned later what had actually happened in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 23: two was that the Communist Party had sued Boris Yeltsen

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Speaker 23: because he had outlawed the Communist Party, and his position,

999
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Speaker 23: effectively was it wasn't just a party, it was kind

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Speaker 23: of this criminal organization, conspiracy fusing together with state structures

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Speaker 23: to produce this totalitarian impression.

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Speaker 1: And they did talk about some of this at the trial.

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Speaker 1: But in the end, here's the thing. The Communist Party.

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Speaker 23: Won and they were relegalized, and very soon they were

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Speaker 23: actually at the largest political party again in the Russian Federation,

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Speaker 23: and they very nearly defeated Yeltsin in the ninety six selections.

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Speaker 23: We also had China, of course, that was the discordant

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Speaker 23: part about the story from the outset. If history had

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Speaker 23: supposedly ended with this Western triumph, why did we have

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Speaker 23: Tianneman Square in nineteen eighty nine in China? Made June

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Speaker 23: nineteen eighty nine, this incredibly dark storing, this massacre in

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Speaker 23: the streets of Beijing. And then of course the CCP

1013
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Speaker 23: endurers in China to this day, and you know, is

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Speaker 23: given the world many treats. So over the past a

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Speaker 23: few decades, the covid locks given.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 23: So, first of all, congratulations on your work. I know

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Speaker 23: dangerously little little about this, but we'll we'll try our

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Speaker 23: Compared to you, I know.

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Speaker 3: More than the guy in the street. But so is

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Speaker 3: it one of the reasons of such a great point.

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Speaker 4: I've never thought of it, that there was this clear

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Speaker 4: like we must put the philosophy of fascism on trial

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Speaker 4: in Nuremberg to put it to rest. Is one of

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Speaker 4: the reasons that never happened. Because the intelligentsia of the

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Speaker 4: West actually agreed with a lot of communistic Marxist precepts.

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Speaker 1: I think there's something to that.

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Speaker 23: The pretense of communism, of course, was always that they

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Speaker 23: were going to create this better world. It was a

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Speaker 23: sort of universal ideal, an ideal that of course has

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Speaker 23: led to a lot of death and destruction, but an

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Speaker 23: ideal many people believed in. They thought inequality is wrong,

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Speaker 23: they thought it's not fair, that the rich have too

1034
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Speaker 23: much and the poor have too little, and that some

1035
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Speaker 23: people don't have enough to eat, and this idea that

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Speaker 23: a vague version of this idea will always I think,

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Speaker 23: appeal particularly to younger people, you know, believe in whatever

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Speaker 23: the phrase social justice or equity. I mean, we know

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Speaker 23: that these words are loaded, but there's always some kind

1040
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Speaker 23: of sympathy I think that people have for this idea,

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Speaker 23: Whereas Nazism is a little bit harder to defend because

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Speaker 23: it was a little more specific to one nation, to

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Speaker 23: one race, and it seemed to be chauvinistic and aggressive

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Speaker 23: and was associated with military aggression. It was not something

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Speaker 23: that had a lot of admirers really across Europe. There

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Speaker 23: were Fascists, of course, but I meaning once Hitler was

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Speaker 23: defeated and of course committed suicide and basically it was

1048
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Speaker 23: no longer there.

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Speaker 1: Nazism pretty much just died.

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Speaker 23: It's not like there were I mean, people are always

1051
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Speaker 23: saying their Nazis under your bed and so on, but

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Speaker 23: in fact Nasium has been basically dead and disappeared since

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Speaker 23: nineteen forty five. Communism, unfortunately, I think, in some form

1054
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Speaker 23: or other, will always be with us, just because the

1055
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Speaker 23: idea continues to appeal.

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Speaker 4: Let's define our terms, because I think that is one

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Speaker 4: of the struggles. What is communism, where does it come from?

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Speaker 4: And has it actually ever been fully implemented.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a great question.

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Speaker 23: There are certain almost dictionary definitions you could start with.

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Speaker 23: You could trot out the manifest of the Communist Party

1062
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Speaker 23: authored by Marxian Engels back in eighteen forty eight, where

1063
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Speaker 23: there's actually a program. They talk about things like the

1064
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Speaker 23: abolition of private property and exchange and credit, the centralization

1065
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Speaker 23: of industry, of banking, they called it credit.

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Speaker 1: That was the word.

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Speaker 23: They used, industrial armies for agriculture. The centralization of the

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Speaker 23: means of transport communication, which basically means the government controls,

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Speaker 23: the media, controls everything. Today it might be even broader

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Speaker 23: than that, might be the internet, or it might be

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Speaker 23: airplane travel.

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Speaker 1: In that day would probably.

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Speaker 23: Would be the main roads, the main railroads, the main

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Speaker 23: avenue communication. That is, government control of a large part

1075
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Speaker 23: of the economy. And the destruction or eradication of private property.

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Speaker 23: In practice, most communist regimes tried to do this to

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Speaker 23: one extent or another. They actually would go out and

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Speaker 23: they would for example, nationalize the banks, which effectively meant nationalizing.

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Speaker 1: People's bank accounts, often their private savings.

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Speaker 23: I mean in Russia they actually had an agency devoted

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Speaker 23: to safe cracking, so they could crack into people's private

1082
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Speaker 23: bank accounts. They would try to nationalize agriculture, they would

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Speaker 23: create these collective farms or state controlled farms.

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Speaker 1: In practice, none of these regimes ever quite succeeded.

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Speaker 23: The Soviets and the Chinese probably came closest or maybe

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Speaker 23: in an even more I think draconian and dark way,

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Speaker 23: the Khmer Rouge and Cambodian completely eradicating the private sector.

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Speaker 1: But the fact is it's impossible to do that.

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Speaker 23: Everyone would basically starve, and so you've always had some

1090
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Speaker 23: variety of a black market or people trading on the

1091
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 23: sly black markets appearing, and food stuffs and things like

1092
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Speaker 23: used cars to grease.

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Speaker 1: The wheels of the economy.

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Speaker 23: Because without that, and this very nearly happened in RUSSI

1095
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Speaker 23: in the early days after the revolution, the economy just

1096
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Speaker 23: basically collapsed. By nineteen twenty one, you had mass famine,

1097
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Speaker 23: you had an industrial collapse, manufacturing collapse. The economy just

1098
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Speaker 23: basically didn't work. And so for a while in Russia,

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Speaker 23: amazingly in the twenties, they actually tried to bring back

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Speaker 23: what they called They called it a new economic policy,

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Speaker 23: but basically it was a kind of modified capitalism. They

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Speaker 23: allowed people to buy and sell again, because without that

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Speaker 23: everyone would have again, they would have starved.

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Speaker 3: The enduring take.

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Speaker 4: That I get on campuses is what communism hasn't been tried.

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Speaker 4: As a historian, how do you then respond to that?

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Speaker 4: It's sort of true, but not really. It has been tried.

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Speaker 4: It absolutely has been tried. It just has never been achieved.

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Speaker 4: And so I suppose that's the kind of tricky.

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Speaker 3: Parts, right, it's never been realized.

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Speaker 23: These you've never been realized because it can't be realized.

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Speaker 23: But it's definitely they always fail. They always fail in predictable,

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Speaker 23: reasonably similar ways. You get a collapse, particularly in things

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Speaker 23: like agricultural yields, productivity, you get shortages, you get famines.

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Speaker 23: Eventually you get even jokes about how hungry people are.

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Speaker 23: Most of the jokes that came out of Cuba and

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Speaker 23: the communist era, for example, had to do with food.

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Speaker 23: You know, essentially it would be something to the nature

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Speaker 23: of you know, walking skeletons or.

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Speaker 1: Problems.

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Speaker 23: A school show would be asking, well, what are some

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Speaker 23: problems that the communist regime still tries to face, and

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Speaker 23: he would list a couple and he would say, like,

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Speaker 23: what do you think is the biggest problem. He would

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Speaker 23: say something like breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Basically just feeding people,

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Speaker 23: that would be the biggest problem. And then you would

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Speaker 23: get if they tried to nationalize the means of production,

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Speaker 23: that is to say, manufacturing industry, you would get again

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Speaker 23: inefficiency eventually get collapse because they would try to plan

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Speaker 23: it to the Other problem is you cannot plan an economy.

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Speaker 23: It's simply impossible. You try to plan every single thing

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Speaker 23: that people are gonna need over a period of months

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Speaker 23: or years, you get things wrong. There's simply no way

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Speaker 23: of predicting how many cars people will buy, how many

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Speaker 23: industrial inputs a certain industry will need. The only things

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Speaker 23: that worked a little bit, and this is maybe a

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Speaker 23: slight exception of the rule, particularly in the Soviet era,

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Speaker 23: are things that they would produce for export. And that's because,

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Speaker 23: let's say, if you talk about the AK forty seven,

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Speaker 23: for example, famous Soviet export or MiG airplanes weapons Basically

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Speaker 23: because they traded those in the international market, they had

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Speaker 23: to work the market functioned to some extent, but at home,

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Speaker 23: if there's no market to function, the goods don't have

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Speaker 4: about human nature that doesn't mix with communism?

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Speaker 23: Well, I guess it's partly that people's needs are various,

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Speaker 23: and the other thing is that people want.

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Speaker 1: This is just pretty basic.

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Speaker 23: If you're going to consume something, if you're going to

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Speaker 23: buy a product or use it, you want that product

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Speaker 23: to work. And the way a market economy basically works

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Speaker 23: is that if your product is no good, people stop

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Speaker 23: buying it, so you have to either improve the product

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Speaker 23: or you go out of business. And the problem under

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Speaker 23: a planned communist economy is basically that there was no incentive.

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Speaker 1: To either work harder.

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Speaker 23: There was no real incentive to get higher wages because

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Speaker 23: wages were supposed to be centrally controlled. In practice, they

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Speaker 23: would give higher wages to skilled engineers and such, but

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Speaker 23: products would not be rejected by the market because there

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Speaker 23: was no market, and so you'd get shortages and you'd

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Speaker 23: get shoddy products.

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Speaker 1: But I think.

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Speaker 23: People's nature, the reason eventually would rub up against human

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Speaker 23: nature in a maybe more profound way, is that most people,

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Speaker 23: maybe some people do it. Most people don't like being

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Speaker 23: hectored and surveiled and controlled and told what to do.

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Speaker 1: At least enough people don't that.

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Speaker 23: Fortunately, most countries have been able to resist the lure

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Speaker 23: the temptation of commune in central planning.

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Speaker 3: Is communism inherently to talitarian.

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Speaker 23: Not inherently in all cases, but it does tend in

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Speaker 23: that director.

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Speaker 3: Hasn't ever been to talitarian.

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Speaker 1: That's a good question.

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Speaker 23: I suppose the countries where communism was adopted with perhaps

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Speaker 23: the least conviction when it was imposed at the point

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Speaker 23: of a gun in Eastern Europe, for example, in Poland,

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Speaker 23: a good example of this because Communism was so unpopular

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Speaker 23: in Poland from the earliest days, because it was kind

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Speaker 23: of seen as a almost alien im position by the

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Speaker 23: conquering Soviet armies, by the Russians, who Poles generally had

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Speaker 23: various reasons to resent and hate going back decades, if

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Speaker 23: not centuries.

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Speaker 1: They didn't actually go as far as they did in

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Speaker 1: other countries.

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Speaker 23: So agriculture, for example, private agriculture was to some extent

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Speaker 23: reluctantly tolerated. They did not go quite as far in

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Speaker 23: Poland as they might have done in other countries like Bulgaria,

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Speaker 23: for example, where the communist regime had a little bit

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Speaker 23: more legitimacy and popularity. It's a matter of degree, but

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Speaker 23: they all tended in the same general direction. You'd have

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Speaker 23: secret police, you'd have surve you'd have state control, you'd

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Speaker 23: have planning, you'd have production targets. I mean, the Cold War,

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Speaker 23: one of the most fascinating things I had was even

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Speaker 23: the Olympics, which was this arena for Cold War superpower competition.

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Speaker 23: They even would give assignments to all their satellite countries,

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Speaker 23: what you're supposed to produce, what sports you're supposed to specialize,

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Speaker 23: and it all had to be planned from above. So

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Speaker 23: everything had to be planned and controlled. And the problem

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Speaker 23: is most people would balk at that sort of thing.

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Speaker 23: It's just against human nature to constantly be surveiled and.

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Speaker 1: Told what to do.

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Speaker 4: I have a question on that and saying, why do

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Speaker 4: the regimes end up so incredibly violent and so cavalier

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Speaker 4: about human lives?

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Speaker 1: Well, there have been a lot.

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Speaker 23: Of sympathizers who always say that there's nothing inherently violent

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Speaker 23: in socialism or communism, And my main response to that is,

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Speaker 23: you have to read the source texts. You have to

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Speaker 23: actually go back and see what Marx was saying, see

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Speaker 23: what some of Marx's own influences were saying. Somebody like

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Speaker 23: Gracus Babuf, who launched the so called conspiracy equals in

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Speaker 23: the French Revolution which inspired Marx, was quite open about

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Speaker 23: the that you would have to put class enemies and

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Speaker 23: counter revolutionaries to death. Marx was quite open about this.

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Speaker 23: He talked about, for example, from his political career. After

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Speaker 23: the Franco Prussian War of eighteen seventy seventy one, there

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Speaker 23: was this brief period in Paris called the Commune, which

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Speaker 23: maybe wasn't the perfectly communist for.

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Speaker 3: Jame, but it didn't.

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Speaker 23: It didn't last long, and it went down in this

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Speaker 23: horrendous blaze of violence when you had a number of

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Speaker 23: bourgeois hostages, including the archbishop of Parish, were executed publicly.

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Speaker 23: A number of women and children were killed in the battle,

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Speaker 23: and a lot of people told Marx, you should distance

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Speaker 23: yourself from this.

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Speaker 1: He didn't.

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Speaker 23: He went the other way. He embraced it, he justified it.

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Speaker 23: This is then cited by Lenin. During the First World War,

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Speaker 23: a lot of other people were really recoiling from the

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Speaker 23: horrendous violence in the trenches.

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Speaker 1: Lenin wanted more of it.

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Speaker 23: He wrote this thing called the Military Program of the

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Speaker 23: Proletarian Revolution, and he said, no, Marx taught us this,

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Speaker 23: that arson is a legitimate tool of war, taking hostages,

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Speaker 23: all of these are legitimate things. Class war. We need

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Speaker 23: to kill people. The violence is an inherent part of

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Speaker 23: the project. In fact, civil war. This was his phrase.

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Speaker 23: You have to turn the imperialist war into a civil war.

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Speaker 23: And then once you've achieved communism in one country, that

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Speaker 23: country will be effectively opposed to all of the other

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Speaker 23: non communist countries, so it will be in a state

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Speaker 23: of war with them. So you get a kind of

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Speaker 23: wave of civil wars and interstate wars engulfing the earth.

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Speaker 23: And he was not saying this is what I hope

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Speaker 23: won't happen. He was saying, this is what has to happen.

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Speaker 23: This is what must happen.

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Speaker 1: There maybe have been a.

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Speaker 23: Lot of sympathized who shy away from the violence, but

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Speaker 23: I honestly think if you look at the evidence, a

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Speaker 23: lot of people who either joined parties or joined front committees,

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Speaker 23: or sympathized with communism, or spoke on behalf or defended

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Speaker 23: the Soviet Union. For a lot of them, the violence

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Speaker 23: was actually part of the appeal, a kind of a

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Speaker 23: romance of political violence.

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Speaker 3: This is it rooted in resentment.

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Speaker 1: There's definitely an element to this.

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Speaker 23: Communists in nearly every country where they succeeded in grab

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Speaker 23: with the regime and then eventually seizing power would usually,

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Speaker 23: of course, by necessity, to have to put the arms

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Speaker 23: in the hands of a lot of angry on people,

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Speaker 23: usually young men, sometimes women as well. And while some

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Speaker 23: of them were intellectuals, the party leaders were usually intellectuals

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Speaker 23: a lot of the foot soldiers.

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Speaker 24: Himo Davidson with your Real America's Voice news headlines. On Saturday,

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Speaker 24: the US Army will celebrate its two hundred and fiftieth

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Speaker 24: birthday with a military parade in Washington, d C. The

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Speaker 24: Army plans to put on its full military might with

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Speaker 24: a number of army vehicles and equipment. President Trump is

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Speaker 24: expected to attend the parade, as it also coincides with

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Speaker 24: his seventy.

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Speaker 10: Ninth birthday and Flag Day.

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Speaker 24: Stay tuned to Real America's Voice for exclusive coverage from four.

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Speaker 22: Pm to ten pm.

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Speaker 24: And another news, the State Department has ordered the departure

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Speaker 24: of non essential person from its embassy in Baghdad due

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Speaker 24: to increased security risks. The State Department said, quote, President

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Speaker 24: Trump is committed to keeping Americans safe, both at home

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Speaker 24: and abroad. In keeping with that commitment, we are constantly

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Speaker 24: assessing the appropriate personnel posture at all our embassies. Based

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Speaker 24: on our latest analysis, we decided to reduce our.

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Speaker 10: Mission in Iraq unquote.

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Speaker 24: Another official said that Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth has

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Speaker 24: authorized the voluntary departure of military dependents from locations across

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Speaker 24: the Middle East. Meanwhile, Senator John Fetterman is doubling down

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Speaker 24: on his criticism of the anti ice rioters with a

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Speaker 24: do and don't list on X. He states, do not loot,

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Speaker 24: set things on fire, assault law enforcement, do protest peacefully,

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Speaker 24: organize to win elections, and call.

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Speaker 10: Out destructive behavior like this.

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Speaker 24: Fetterman is one of very few Democrats who have publicly

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Speaker 24: called the protest out for their violence. And another news,

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Speaker 24: former Minnesota governor and vice presidential candidate Tim Walls testifies

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Speaker 24: today along with fellow Democrat governors Kathy Hochel and Illinois

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Speaker 24: Governor JB. Pritzker in front of the House Oversight and

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Speaker 24: Government Reform Committee. The committee Republicans are expected to grill

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Speaker 24: the governors on their state's respective status as sanctuaries for

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Speaker 24: illegal immigrants. Pritzker spokesperson Matt Hill stated that the governor

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Speaker 24: will defend the Illinois Trust Act, which does not permit state, county,

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Speaker 24: or local law enforcement agencies to work with immigration and

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Speaker 24: Customs enforcement on civil immigration enforcement activities, but allows cooperation

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Speaker 24: when a criminal warrant or court order is involved. And

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Speaker 24: in news today, an Air India plane crashed while it

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Speaker 24: was flying to the UK. Officials say the Boeing seven

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Speaker 24: We are seeing reports now that there are no expected survivors.

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Speaker 24: There were reportedly two hundred and forty two passengers and

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Speaker 24: a city of about five million people.

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Speaker 10: Those are your headlines.

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Speaker 23: Sometimes they would literally just empty the prisons. They did

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Speaker 23: this after the Russian Revolution. Sometimes they would recruit former

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Speaker 23: soldiers who were already alienated or disaffected, or already had

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Speaker 23: kind of acquired a taste for violence. The real muscle.

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Speaker 23: In for example, the Bolshevik Revolution read October of nineteen

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Speaker 23: seventeen actually came from either deserters from the arm or

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Speaker 23: people in the Russian Navy or in the Russian Army.

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Speaker 23: The so called Red Guards were mostly actually some of

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Speaker 23: them came from factories. Most of them actually came from

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Speaker 23: the army. And that's actually where Lenin got most of

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Speaker 23: his critical support from. So they might be disaffected, they

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Speaker 23: might be unemployed, they might be veterans, they might be deserters,

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Speaker 23: they might be criminals being let out of prison.

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Speaker 1: But yes, they're not generally the halves yet.

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Speaker 3: So here's an interesting quote.

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Speaker 4: What is it about Russia when communism was popping up?

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Speaker 4: I believe there was a failed communist revolution like nineteen

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Speaker 4: oh eight or something.

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Speaker 23: Right, So nineteen five was the first revolution which succeeded

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Speaker 23: in some wizzled out, it fizzled out, right.

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Speaker 4: What is it about what was happening in Russia at

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Speaker 4: the time that made the what nineteen seventeen revolution successful?

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Speaker 1: Mostly it was the First World War?

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Speaker 23: So, and this is where Lenin develops a theory which

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Speaker 23: actually helps to explain how and why communists would later succeed.

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Speaker 23: It was that in most countries there are kind of

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Speaker 23: defenses against this sort of thing. Now you get your

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Speaker 23: violent activists, but eventually the police might crack down. In Russia,

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Speaker 23: it was the disruption of the war, the fact that

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Speaker 23: millions of men were mobilized into the armies. There was

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Speaker 23: obviously some war weariness, but mostly it was that Lenin

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Speaker 23: actually propagandized the armies. A lot of other socialists and

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Speaker 23: communists were a little more naive about this, you know.

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Speaker 23: They thought you could convince people eventually through education or

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Speaker 23: the ballot box or reason or.

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Speaker 1: Something like that.

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Speaker 23: They also thought the war was a bad thing, a

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Speaker 23: lot of them, not all of them, and so they

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Speaker 23: thought you should, for example, maybe tell people to resist

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Speaker 23: the draft. London said, no, you don't resist the draft.

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Speaker 23: You infiltrate the armies. You turn them read you propaganda infiltration.

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Speaker 3: Philosopher and communists thought Olenski was very big into this.

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Speaker 23: Yes, well, I mean he was the first to really

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Speaker 23: systematize it, but it was always there in a latent sense,

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Speaker 23: the anthem of international socialism. Ujen Pontier's Internacionale. The main

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Speaker 23: theme is actually about a mutiny, so it's about an

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Speaker 23: army mutiny. And this is basically what happens in Russia

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Speaker 23: nineteen seventeen. It's like a gigantic mutiny in the Russian

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Speaker 23: armies that Lenin the Communists pushed along for their own purposes.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't it a relatively small group of people, And if

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Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken, the Czar actually like shouldn't have surrendered,

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Speaker 4: Like the rebellion could have been thwarted.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 23: The February Revolution, which is separate from the October one,

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Speaker 23: is one where the Tsar probably could have intervened, and

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Speaker 23: he nearly did. He actually did issue orders for loyal

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Speaker 23: frontline troops to go to Petrograd and suppress the revolution.

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Speaker 23: He was talked out of it by his generals, who

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Speaker 23: were getting bad advice from these liberal politicians.

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Speaker 3: The advantage they.

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Speaker 23: Did, and the Bolsheviks at that time were still relatively week.

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Speaker 23: Lenin's in Switzerland, He's not even in Russia at the time.

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Speaker 23: He's barely metal, or he wasn't curiously enough, he spent

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Speaker 23: a lot of nineteen seventeen with warrants for his arrest

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Speaker 23: plastered all over Russia because he participated in a couple

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Speaker 23: of failed pushes before the final one that succeeded, But

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Speaker 23: you're absolutely right. They were a minority party in the

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Speaker 23: only real elections Russia had nineteen he's seventeen. They had

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Speaker 23: made inroads, and we have to give them some credit.

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Speaker 23: Just politically, Lenin's mutinies and his kind of message of

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Speaker 23: ending the imperialist war, even though people didn't realize that

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Speaker 23: meant he was going to promote civil war instead. They

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Speaker 23: eventually got nearly twenty four percent of the vote. The

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Speaker 23: party was much smaller that the hard core of the party.

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Speaker 23: That was part of his philosophy. It was called vanguardism.

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Speaker 23: You had to have this hard core of this elite

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Speaker 23: of professional revolutionaries, so you didn't need to convince everyone.

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Speaker 23: You didn't need to mobilize everyone. What you had to

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Speaker 23: do was have this kind of hardcore of vanguard elites

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Speaker 23: who were they were more like full time revolutionaries. They're

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Speaker 23: actually put on salary in many cases because that was

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Speaker 23: the way of ensuring that they were fully devoted to

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Speaker 23: the revolution. You know, you then needed the muscle, though,

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Speaker 23: you need the foot soldiers. And Lenin approached politics he

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Speaker 23: was actually reading Klousowitz. It's very much about force. Basically,

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Speaker 23: you had to have superior force They would literally count

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Speaker 23: up like how many men do we have under arms?

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Speaker 1: And how many men do or enemies have under arms?

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Speaker 23: You know, there's this very almost reductionist element to communist

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Speaker 23: philosophy becames to politics and violence. Stalin would later famously say,

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Speaker 23: asked about the pope and his possible influence, well, how

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Speaker 23: many divisions does the Vatican have? They're very very crude

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Speaker 23: and reductionist in this way that they actually did literally

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Speaker 23: see it as you have to overwhelm your enemies by force.

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Speaker 1: It's not really about persuasion.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, power politics is at the core of communism. When

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Speaker 4: when Russia fell victim to this communist revolution, were they

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Speaker 4: a Christian nation overwhelming or that was the polity Christian?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 23: Absolutely? How did that work? That's always something I don't understand.

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Speaker 23: How did a Christian nation embrace Well, it's a difficult

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Speaker 23: question to answer. There are different ways of looking at it.

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Speaker 23: Some historians, and they don't usually tend to be Russians,

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Speaker 23: have proposed that there was something in the Russian Orthodox

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Speaker 23: Church that had always been a bit friendlier to state

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Speaker 23: power than either the Catholic strained or the Protestant strains

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Speaker 23: of Christianity, and.

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Speaker 1: It just thrown to the Czarist regime.

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Speaker 23: The state played a huge and powerful role, Peter the

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Speaker 23: Great for example, actually all the patriarchate. It came back,

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Speaker 23: oddly enough after the Russian Revolution, only to then come

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Speaker 23: under the thumb really of the Communists and the KGB.

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Speaker 23: There are a lot of Russians who find this offensive,

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Speaker 23: a lot of Russians who say, no, look are real traditions,

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Speaker 23: the Christian one, Marxism, Communism was this kind.

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Speaker 1: Of alien atheistic import And it's true.

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Speaker 23: The Communists would go into churches and they would they

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Speaker 23: would have these ceremonies, or they would expose old bones

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Speaker 23: and say, look, these are relics, these aren't real. They

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Speaker 23: would erect museums of atheism. So it was the world's

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Speaker 23: first atheist virginal.

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm trying to understand, and I've never heard

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Speaker 4: anyone explain it as well as you did. That in

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Speaker 4: order for a revolution to be successful, allegedly have to

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Speaker 4: win over the polity, right, was that what happened in

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Speaker 4: Russia or was it a small vanguard that kind of

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Speaker 4: took the whole nation hostage.

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Speaker 23: They did win over enough people so that the regime

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01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 23: plurality or a majority. Well as far as an electoral majority.

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Speaker 23: It's hard to say they did, because we just don't

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01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 23: have the evidence. But obviously a lot of their enemies

1532
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 23: and opponents were either killed off or fled Russian immigration,

1533
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 23: the emigres, and they were able to propagandize, particularly the

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01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:03,959
Speaker 23: younger generation.

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Speaker 1: So they would have these.

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Speaker 23: Things like the pioneers and the constable to indoctrinate people

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01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 23: into the faith. And they did ape or even mimic

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01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:15,799
Speaker 23: some elements of the old Russian Christian tradition, the icons

1539
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 23: for example, that Russians would traditionally have over their mental piece.

1540
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 23: Instead you would have, of course, images of the new

1541
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 23: sacred figures. Lenin later Stalin, so that there was a

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01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,759
Speaker 23: way in which they Stalin in particular because he actually

1543
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 23: did have a background in seminary training, and so he

1544
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,680
Speaker 23: had some notion of how the people needed this kind

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01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 23: of religion. So they created almost a new religion, the

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01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 23: religion of communism.

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Speaker 4: What was is there any credence to this idea that

1548
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 4: the Tsars mishandled the agrarian to industrial transition and this

1549
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 4: opened up the Communists with an opportunity.

1550
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: To strike well.

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01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 23: Land reform was the great question of late Tsarist politics

1552
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 23: in Russia. It was an extremely difficult question served and

1553
01:20:56,840 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 23: endured right up to the eighteen sixties Russians life. To

1554
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:03,600
Speaker 23: remind Americans, serfdom was abolished one year before the Emancipation

1555
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 23: Proclamation of the United States, which is true, but they

1556
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 23: didn't really sort the problems out right away, although one

1557
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 23: could say, of course, it took a while for us

1558
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 23: to sort out our own problems.

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 23: They couldn't quite figure out, for example, did the serfs

1561
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 23: have to buy their freedom? Where they taking out a mortgage,

1562
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 23: where they owned certain they owed certain payments to their

1563
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 23: former lords. Did we want to turn them into these

1564
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 23: kind of entrepreneurial peasant capitalists. The one great figure who

1565
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 23: tried to solve this problem Pyotr Stalipin, and this in

1566
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 23: the first decade of the nineteen hundreds. He did actually

1567
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 23: put forward some far reaching reforms, not quite the same

1568
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 23: thing as maybe the Homestead Act in the US, but

1569
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 23: it was kind of a similar idea.

1570
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 1: You would give peasants credit. They had a peasants land bank.

1571
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 23: They were trying to allow them to set out for

1572
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:52,919
Speaker 23: some of the virgin lands of western Siberia, to basically

1573
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 23: create these kind of almost pioneering type homesteads.

1574
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 1: And it was starting to work.

1575
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 23: There was some evidence that it was working. Fortunately, Stalepin

1576
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 23: had warned that for this program to work and for

1577
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 23: Russia to modernize and enter the modern age, she needed peace.

1578
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 23: And that's why the First World War was so critical.

1579
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 23: He said this, and I think nineteen nine, give us

1580
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 23: twenty years of peace and you won't recognize the country

1581
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,600
Speaker 23: that will be able to not solve all problems, but

1582
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 23: resolve some of the tensions. The peasants would then become

1583
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 23: a little bit more of a bulwark of conservatism as

1584
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 23: they were viewed in some countries.

1585
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 1: In Russia, they weren't.

1586
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Speaker 23: Oddly enough, in Russia, there was kind of a strain

1587
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 23: of almost this agrarian radicalism that would sometimes dfl yeah,

1588
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 23: a little bit like this with they had this thing

1589
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 23: called a commune where they would divide land up according

1590
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 23: to need, and then every so often they would just

1591
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 23: get these skies swinging revolts where the peasants would go

1592
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 23: around and burn manor houses.

1593
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 1: Stalepin wanted to turn the.

1594
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Speaker 23: Peasants into stolid, kind of middle class citizens, subjects still

1595
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 23: probably because you had monarchy, but basically subjects who would

1596
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 23: support the regime the First World War which broke out

1597
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:59,599
Speaker 23: nineteen fourteen, and Stalepin unfortunately was also assassinated in nineteen eleven,

1598
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 23: so that cut off a lot of these possible paths

1599
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 23: that might have led to a really a more humane

1600
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Speaker 23: and I think also a more prosperous Russia.

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Speaker 3: Which it's just an amazing thing. I mean, you've written

1602
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:10,720
Speaker 3: about it.

1603
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 23: How a great power like Russia this was Communist's biggest

1604
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 23: get to date. Is that fair to say that this

1605
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 23: was the biggest accomplishment of the ideology?

1606
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 1: Well? Sure, and one can go further.

1607
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 23: I mean to kind of bring this story up to

1608
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 23: Stalin and say that the greatest boast than any Communist

1609
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 23: regime has ever had is that Stalin allegedly industrialized the

1610
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 23: country and then of course defeated Nazi Germany.

1611
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Speaker 2: In the war.

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Speaker 23: How do you respond to that, Well, this is the thing.

1613
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Speaker 23: There are some elements of the story. There's just enough

1614
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 23: truth in it that you could see why people have

1615
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 23: made this argument ever since, and why the Russian government

1616
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,680
Speaker 23: to this day still views the victory and what they

1617
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:50,719
Speaker 23: call the Great Patriotic War as kind of the glue

1618
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 23: the origin story to some extent of their mythology.

1619
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 1: It's the core mythology of their existence. Right. A number

1620
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:57,640
Speaker 1: of problems of this.

1621
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Speaker 23: First of all, Russia was rapidly industrializing before for the

1622
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 23: First World War, with growth rates approaching ten percent, and

1623
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 23: so not unlike China in recent years. Even if there

1624
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 23: might be some holes in the economy we haven't been

1625
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:11,640
Speaker 23: told of. There are all these headlines about the stupendous

1626
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 23: growth rates that was the Russian story before nineteen fourteen.

1627
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Speaker 23: The Germans, for example, were not worried about the growth

1628
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 23: of Russian power in nineteen forty. This is part of

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01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 23: the backstory of the First World War because Russia was

1630
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 23: a pigmy. No, it was because they thought she was

1631
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 23: a colossus, because she was the world's leading exporter of

1632
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:29,600
Speaker 23: grain in nineteen eleven nineteen twelve, for example. So a

1633
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:31,959
Speaker 23: lot of the background of the story where the communists

1634
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 23: is saying we were the first to modernize Russia is

1635
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 23: just not true. In fact, the Russian economy, of course

1636
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 23: suffered like all other ones did from the First World War,

1637
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 23: from inflation, and then of course from the collapse at

1638
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Speaker 23: the end, and then from communism even more.

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Speaker 1: When they did begin to industrialize Russia.

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Speaker 23: When Stalin went back on the offensive, they had to

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Speaker 23: retreat for a while in the twenties again because the

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Speaker 23: economy collapsed.

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Speaker 23: When Stalin did go back on this kind of mass

1701
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:49,879
Speaker 23: mobilization drive the arms build up the five year plans

1702
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 23: launched or backdated in nineteen twenty eight, they relied a

1703
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 23: lot on imported machinery expertise, engineers. A couple of great

1704
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 23: examples of this. The collective farm or state farm Macacaus,

1705
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 23: almost like the emblematic institution of Soviet communism in the

1706
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 23: early nineteen thirties, was actually based on the wheat King

1707
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 23: of Montana, Thomas Campbell, and it appealed to Stalin mostly

1708
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 23: because it was basically the world's largest farm ninety five

1709
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 23: thousand acres or something. A lot of the factories were

1710
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 23: not only designed, but often they were direct copies of

1711
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:28,839
Speaker 23: those in the United States. It was the Arthur McKee

1712
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 23: Corporation that designed Magnita Gorsk, like the world's largest steel town.

1713
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 1: A lot of the patents were bought.

1714
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Speaker 23: Even the famous T thirty four tank was actually based

1715
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 23: on a US patent design, the Christie suspension engine. And then,

1716
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 23: of course, if you bring the story through the thirties,

1717
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 23: there's a lot of important technology from Europe, from Germany,

1718
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 23: the Molotov fripintrup packed. The Soviets were buying up all

1719
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,559
Speaker 23: kinds of blueprints and designs from the Germans actually weren't

1720
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 23: buying they were sort of just acquiring men by trading

1721
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 23: raw materials. And then the Lendley story, which is one

1722
01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 23: of the big themes I talk about in Stalin's wear.

1723
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:01,800
Speaker 23: What's really amazing about this is that for a while

1724
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 23: in the thirties, what the Soviets were doing, sometimes they

1725
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 23: would do it. You know, they would actually pay for

1726
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 23: something like the design for the Christie suspension they used

1727
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 23: for the T thirty four tank. Sometimes they would use spies,

1728
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 23: so they infiltrated the US aviation industry. They had a

1729
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 23: team of almost thirty spies working in American universities and

1730
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 23: aviation plants Douglas Aircraft California, Bell Aircraft in Buffalo, New York,

1731
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 23: and they actually copied and then it ended up kind

1732
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 23: of either stealing or adapting or reverse engineering a lot

1733
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 23: of American designs after the US entered well even before

1734
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:36,599
Speaker 23: the US entered the war in nineteen forty one. After

1735
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 23: Hitler turned on Stalin and vaded the Soviet Union in

1736
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Speaker 23: June forty one, they didn't have to spy anymore because

1737
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 23: the Roosevelt administration just gave them everything. They literally would

1738
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 23: just let Soviet engineers tour around American factories, taking notes,

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Speaker 23: taking photographs. Oftentimes they would just ask for things. It's

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Speaker 23: an amazing aspect of the story. They were actually given

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Speaker 23: the same requisition forms used by the US Army, and

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Speaker 23: in fact they were often put at the front of

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Speaker 23: the line. The Arcadia Declaration. This is right after Pearl Harbor.

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Speaker 23: Roosevelt sort of bullied Churchill and do agree with us

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Speaker 23: Churchill like the focus on Europe, but the secondary part

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Speaker 23: that is Germany first. The secondary part was that the

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Speaker 23: number one priority of the US, Roosevelt declared in the

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Speaker 23: wake of Pearl Harbor, was assistance to Russia's offensive by

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Speaker 23: all available means, Meaning our number one priority was not

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Speaker 23: defeating Japan, was not even fighting Germany ourselves.

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Speaker 1: It was supplying the Russian.

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Speaker 3: Army creating the Cold War.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, basically yes, arming our future opponents in the Cold War.

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Speaker 4: I have a side note question that I actually I

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Speaker 4: wouldn't be able to answer. Someone ask me, why did

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Speaker 4: Hitler turn on Stalin?

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Speaker 1: That's a great question, and I'm glad you asked.

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Speaker 23: I think that the most interesting archival revelation in Stalin's

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Speaker 23: were Although I did a lot of work in this

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Speaker 23: the Russian archives and this so archives, my favorite sort

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Speaker 23: of archivalry fined, believe it or not, was in the

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Speaker 23: Bulgarian archives.

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Speaker 1: And this is when I and you like we're in

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Speaker 1: like the yeah right, and so so.

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Speaker 23: Hitler unloaded in one of his famous sort of rants

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Speaker 23: or tirades on the Bulgarian minister to Berlin, a guy

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Speaker 23: called Parvin.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna Butcher's last name, but anyway.

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Speaker 23: So the Bulgarian administer to Berlin one of these tirades.

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Speaker 23: The reason he was angry was because Molotov, the same

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Speaker 23: one whould sign the Mulatov rippintro Pact, where Hitler and

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Speaker 23: Stalin had, of course carved up Eastern Europe into spheres

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Speaker 23: of influence. They had agreed jointly to invade and carve

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Speaker 23: up Poland together. The Soviets were given these spheres of influence.

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Speaker 23: They had to actually split the difference on Lithuania. Lithuania

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Speaker 23: was first supposed to be in the German sphere, then

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Speaker 23: it was given to Stalin. Stalin had supposedly the position

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Speaker 23: of influence in Finland.

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