1 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: Ah beaute force. If it doesn't work, you're just not 2 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: using enough. You're listening to Software Radio, Special Operations, military 3 00:00:25,520 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: news and straight talk with the guys and the community 4 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:17,279 Speaker 1: sop Rep Radio on Time on Target. I'm away this week, guys. 5 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: So here's what I put together for this show, which 6 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: is pretty cool. Last year we did an interview with 7 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: c J. Ramone and we used half of that on 8 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: sop Rep Radio you might remember it from the episode 9 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: with James Powell, and then we did another half for 10 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: the Power of Thought podcast. But I figured why not 11 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: have the interview in its entirety for the first time, 12 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: So that's exactly what this is, the interview that we 13 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 1: did with c J. Ramone. Brandon Webb is here with 14 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: me for this one. And for those who don't know, 15 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: c J not only the bass player for the legendary Ramons, 16 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: also an all around great guy and a former marine 17 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: who all of us have become great friends with. Uh 18 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: so on here he talks about ramping up for a 19 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: UK tour, just got finished with a tour with the 20 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: Aquabats at the time, and he talks about how running 21 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: out of time is his biggest fear and also his 22 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: first shows that he ever played with the Ramons, replacing 23 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: the legendary D. D Ramon and of course rest in 24 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: peace to the late Great D. D Ramon. 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But I know you're always all 46 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: over the place man, uh C J Ramone most known 47 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: as being the basis for the Ramons from six but 48 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: now it does his own solo work uh former marine 49 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: as well, which is kind of how we connected with him. 50 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: Of course, also just mutual friend of Andrew Wilcows and 51 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: so you're about the tour of the UK, so it's 52 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: it's great to finally have you on man. Yeah, you 53 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: called me in a good time. We just finished up 54 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: five weeks in UH in Europe and then come right 55 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: literally we landed at JFK. One of our crew guys 56 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: showed up at the airport without a van pact with gear. 57 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: We got right in advantage of FK and started two 58 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: weeks through the States with a great band called the 59 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: Aquabats and finished that up about a week and a 60 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: half ago, and now we're taken off on the twenty 61 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: three for the UK. So right in between, weren't you also? 62 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: I saw because you and I follow each other on 63 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: social media. But you're up, You're up to your dad's 64 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: and then you got the phone call and that literally yeah, 65 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: on those on those East coast states. We had a 66 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 1: day off between Boston and Montreal. So I said to 67 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: the guys and said, hey, let's let's stop and see 68 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: my my old man. He lives up in Maine. Um 69 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: retired up there about ten years ago. My mom fell 70 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: and broke a hit. Recently, somebody, my old man's just 71 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: been hanging around the house on his own, and he 72 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: lives in a beautiful spot right on a lake, right 73 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: on Lake Morinicok. And so we stopped up there to 74 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: see him, and uh, it turned out the other band 75 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: had nothing to do that day, so we threw a 76 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: big barbecue at his house. Alcohol was flowing. We went 77 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: down by the beach there at the lake. We had 78 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: a good time and got up the next morning to leave. 79 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: I said to said to my home man, I said, 80 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of jump in a band and come with us. 81 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: So he came out with us for the last couple 82 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: of shows. We drove back to New York. Afterwards, he 83 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: spent a week here. I drove him home at seven 84 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: hours to his place eight hours. Just as we walked 85 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: in the door, I got a friend of call from 86 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: a friend of mine in um Panama who was a 87 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: promoter over there. He does uh organize a festival for 88 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: Budweiser every year, and he called me up and said, Hey, 89 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: our headline had dropped out for the festival. The show 90 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: is tomorrow. Do you think you can get on a 91 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: plane and make it to Panama? And I said to him, yeah, sure, 92 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: what the heck? So I got back in the college, 93 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: drove to seven eight hours back to New York, got home, 94 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: pack my bag, through my bag on my base in 95 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: the car, Drove over to the Newark airport, jumped on 96 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: a plane, flew to Panama, got off the plane, had dinner, 97 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: I had a couple of mohitos, got on stage playing 98 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: the show, came off stage, packed my bag up, went 99 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: back to the airport, down a plane, and flew home. 100 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: So pretty wild two days. Panama still on my list. 101 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: I want to I want to get down. I've been 102 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: to Columbia. I'd love to get down to Panama, just 103 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: see more of South America in general. It's really I'll 104 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: tell you what it's in Latin America. Panama City is 105 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: probably the most beautiful sin It's unbelievably gorgeous, real modern 106 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: you know, not hard to find good food, It's easy 107 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: to get around. It's it's a really nice place. I'm 108 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: sure the lady there smoke smoke shots here, harn if 109 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,119 Speaker 1: you're listening, I apologize, but yeah, pretty they ain't lacking 110 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: in good looking girls either. Yeah, both of you got 111 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: in on on Cuba pretty early too. I know that 112 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: you visited just probably a few months before Brandon did. Yeah, 113 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: we are September I think that was two fifteen. We 114 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: got in there, we got contact, you know. Uh, Cuba 115 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: gets a lot of their music through South America. So 116 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: the Ramons are huge down in South America. So the 117 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: the head of the cultural department over that happened to 118 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: be a Ramones fan, and he reached out through a 119 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: mutual friend in Argentina and they said, hey, you know, 120 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: we can offer you a cultural exchange that you're set 121 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: up with a you know, hotel room in a van 122 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: and and somebody to show you around the city. And 123 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: uh and uh we set up a couple of shows 124 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: for you. So um, I've been I had been trying 125 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: to get to Cuba, trying to figure out a legal 126 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: way of doing it, and we've had and no luck. 127 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: So it was. I was pretty excited. I'm a huge 128 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: Hemingway fan. I grew up read everything by hemming Away 129 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: from when I was pretty young, so I always had 130 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: a bit of a fascination with the place. So um 131 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: we uh, we actually did a fundraising, you know, crowdfunding 132 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,239 Speaker 1: campaign online to to raise the money for the flights 133 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: and and all the costs of getting out gear there 134 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: and everything, and uh it worked out pretty good, so 135 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: we we got to get over there and do a 136 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: couple of shows. It's pretty neat, pretty neat. You know. 137 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: It's funny too, because I've been to I've been to Cuba, 138 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: and I've been to Moscow and St. Petersburg. And I 139 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: was talking with my kids one night and and it 140 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: got to be a little bit of a joke. I said, 141 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: you know, back in the eighties, the only way I 142 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: would have seen uh, Havana or Moscow would have been 143 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: at fixed bayonet, you know, out of and the only 144 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: way I would have knocked down those doors. But I said, 145 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: you know, in my lifetime, it's pretty cool that it 146 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: went from that to me being able to go over 147 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: and play music for people. So it's pretty Uh, that's 148 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: pretty neat. Did you get to the Hemingway House. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 149 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: of course I did. Yeah, Okay, I did the same thing. 150 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: We um pretty cool. Yeah yeah, And I've been to 151 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: the one in Key West two I have. I've been 152 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: to that one as well. I'm a Hemingway fan also. 153 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: All right, all right, so hey, what's I want to ask? 154 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: What's the craziest show you've ever played? Our craziest experience 155 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: you had on tour? We did? You know, the last 156 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: Remmon show was a pretty wild one. We played in Um. 157 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: We played in l A at the Palace. Yeah. Um 158 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: and uh during that show, um, you know, like we 159 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: have the guys from Rancid came up on stage and 160 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: played with us. We had let Me from Motorhead came 161 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: up and played with us. The guys from Sound Garden 162 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: jumped up and played with us. We had like a 163 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: whole whole list of like all the biggest artists from 164 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: the nineties, you know. And that was probably like the 165 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: as far as star quality goes, that was probably the 166 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: wireless event I've done. But we did. We did other 167 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: great stuff to we We played with YouTube for two 168 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: shows in Spain. We um we did uh like we 169 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: in um in South America, we did our last show, 170 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: there was a soccer stadium forty five or fifty people 171 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: or something like that. So but yeah, I've seen some big, 172 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: bad shows. Man, it's really really high end stuff. But 173 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: you know, to me, the the ones I always liked 174 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: the best were the ones where we played in smaller 175 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: places where the crowds were just insane, and you know, 176 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: it was the energy level in the room, it's just unbelievable. 177 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 1: It's kind of neat. At those big shows, you look 178 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,239 Speaker 1: at these people as far as you can see, it's impressive, 179 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, but there's nothing like being in a small 180 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: room where you can smell the alcohol and people's breath 181 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: right in front of your energy and the rumors just unbelievable. 182 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: It's really it really gives you a change, it really 183 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: gets your motivated. That's cool. I was. I don't know, 184 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: um if you've ever played with with no effects, but 185 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: I I got into this an epic argument my friend 186 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: John and John Bush, who has been on the show before. 187 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: He he was a photographer for Rolling Stone, the as 188 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: a bartender in his village and started a bunch of 189 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: bars and restaurants. Now he's he's got his empire gone. 190 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: But but he is close friends with with Fat Mike 191 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: and man he was. He found out I was former military, 192 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: and he's like, who'd you vote for in the election? 193 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: In the election, I bet you voted for Trump. You're 194 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: such a fucking asshole. And I was like time out, 195 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: Like I just met you and you're a asshole. We 196 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: just got into it, and then he eventually appologized to me. 197 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: But I had the same conversation with him brother. He 198 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: called me up and and uh, I had taken my 199 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: son to um to the Trump inauguration. Yeah, and uh 200 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: and a picture of it went up online and I 201 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: got a phone call from when he's like, did you 202 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: vote for Trump? And BUMPA? And I told him, I 203 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: said because I did not. I said I did not 204 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: vote for Trump. I didn't tell him, like I handwrote 205 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: in Jim Matt, I see you, but I uh, you know, 206 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: I said I didn't. You know, I didn't vote for Trump. 207 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: He's not my guy. But he was like, you know, 208 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: there's pictures are you up on there? He's like, you 209 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: know at at my label, we don't, you know, we don't. 210 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: We don't want that. We don't want to see that 211 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: kind of stuff going up and I was like, hey, 212 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: I get it, it's your label, I said, but you're 213 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: you're bucket at the wrong guy. Well I didn't vote 214 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: for him, but yeah, he's he's hardcore and hard You know. 215 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: The thing is that the punk rock scene in general, 216 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: it mostly comes from that side of the fence. It's 217 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: but you know, in general, it's mostly like very very 218 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: left cleaning. But you know, for over here on the 219 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: East Coast, especially in New York, it really wasn't about 220 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: politics and stuff like that. It was about people who 221 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: did things their own way. That's what punk rock was about, 222 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, what it wasn't about politically, 223 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: that's all I was. It was just when he was, 224 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: it was just a a micratic party and the political process. 225 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: That's not punk rock, not not not what I grew 226 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: up with anyway, right, but he definitely California has always 227 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: been on the on the left side of on the 228 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: left side of things out there, or even going all 229 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: the way back Black Flag and all the the earliest 230 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: punk bands. Um. But yeah, so I had the same 231 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: conversation with Mike. Yeah, okay, yeah, it got heated and 232 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: and I thought we were gonna throw down for a minute. There, 233 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: but and then here, to his credit, he was like, look, 234 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, I apologize, You're right and right. I just 235 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: my my whole thing was, look, if we can't sit 236 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: down and have a conversation and we if our opinions 237 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: differ and have a civil conversation and debate. I was like, 238 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: that's the problem in this fucking country right now. Is 239 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: no one everyone's screaming at each other, Like let's just 240 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: you know, like talk and share a different perspective and 241 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: maybe you know, you you change your opinion, I changed mind, 242 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: and we see things from different point of view. And 243 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: it was actually I forget that that commercial. I think 244 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: it was a Heineken commercial where they they basically they 245 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: show these videos of like there's a guy on there 246 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: saying how anti gay is and he's just going on 247 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: a rant. And then there's someone you know on the 248 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: political spec room and it's all these people these opposite ideas. 249 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: And then what they did was they paired him up 250 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: for this Heineken challenge and they had to tackle this 251 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: problem together. And then when they finished, they were like 252 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: high fiving each other, and then they sat down when 253 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: they were done, and they showed him the video and 254 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: it was like, so there's like a black girl and 255 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: this guy, and maybe the guy was talking about affirmative 256 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: action or something like that, but they showed the videos 257 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: and then they got really uncomfortable, and then it just said, look, 258 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: you have a decision. You can crack open a beer 259 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: and and put aside your differences and get to know 260 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: each other, or you can leave the room. And and 261 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: it was just like really cool project that they did, 262 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: you know. And of course you know, they were like, 263 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: fuck it, let's have a beer and and shoot the ship. 264 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: Which that to me is what it's all about and 265 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: what this country should do about anyway, absolutely behind it. 266 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: We're not advertising on us stuff. Yeah, that's a big 267 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,239 Speaker 1: joke about about being in the military. To right, you're 268 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: working with people by chances. All before in your everyday life, 269 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: if you're hanging out with your buddies, you might not 270 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: have wanted to have anything to do with but you're 271 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: get into the military and you ain't got a choice. 272 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: They no way around it. Whether you like that guy 273 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: next to you or not, you're gonna get the job 274 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: done with them. So that's and and that you're absolutely right, 275 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: that's what the country was built on. You know what 276 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: I mean, And in fact, it's one of our strengths too. 277 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: It's how how we keep things balanced, to make sure 278 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: that everybody's got got the room to do what they 279 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: want to do. As long as they're not dance on 280 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: somebody else's shoes, it should all be good. But yeah, 281 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: it just seems really weird right now. How polarize and 282 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: everyone's just like in lockstep with what that party does 283 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: or you know what that what that group says should 284 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: be right. And it's everybody trying to tell everybody else 285 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: how they should be living their lives and what you 286 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: should respect and what you shout and respect. So every 287 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: it's like peril. Everyone's paralyzed and afraid to even say anything. 288 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: And I I did an interview the other day and 289 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: it was said, look, I'm not afraid to be a man. 290 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: Like there's this whole feminism movement which, look, I am 291 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 1: all about equal women being equal, but the problem is 292 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: that feminism movement has been hijacked by a bunch of 293 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: feminazis and it's a female world. Females are the future, 294 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: you know. I'm like, look, yeah, maybe in the movie 295 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: wonder Woman that exists, but you know, we all have 296 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: to get along, like trying existing on your own without 297 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: meeting with with males. But the whole thing, it's okay 298 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: to be a man, you know, it's okay to beer, 299 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: smoke a cigar, opened a door for a lady, like 300 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: it's just and there's this whole like plassification and de 301 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: masculinization of men. That's when I see it, probably more 302 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: so in New York. But yeah, anyway, Yeah, I'll tell you, 303 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: I just came back from Europe and I was shocked, shocked. 304 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: You know, they've they've had like a real far reaching 305 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: revolution over there um, social revolution over there on on 306 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: on people's roles in society and what's acceptable and what's not, 307 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: and it's um. It was it was shocking to me 308 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: how how much it's changed over there um people's attitudes 309 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: in general. And you know, I'm not saying I'm not 310 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: saying it it's right or it's wrong. I'm not trying 311 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: to judge it at all, but the you know exactly 312 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: what you're saying, Like I, it's almost they've almost flipped roles. 313 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: It's almost like they're attempting to turn every thing on 314 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: its head to bring about change. And you know, for 315 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: for me um as you know, my time on the 316 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:13,719 Speaker 1: planet anyway, what I've learned is that things that change 317 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: slowly usually change for good. Things that you try to 318 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: change quickly. It's like it's like with any revolution that 319 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: happens through violence, you're going to have accounter revolution at 320 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: some point because now you set the bar for what 321 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: it takes to change things. And and you know, you know, 322 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: in my opinion, if if that's what we continue to do, 323 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: if we don't learn from the past. That's one great 324 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: thing about being a student of history. If you've studied 325 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: warfare and all that stuff, is you you kind of 326 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: see and and understand the things that work and the 327 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: things that don't work. And the things that work are 328 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: the changes that come around gradually where people's uh um, 329 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: where people's minds get changed over a long period of time, 330 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: rather than trying to force it down their throat because 331 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: there's no pushback, you know. I mean, it's a change 332 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: in consciousness, not not in a change, not a change 333 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: in the way they live from day to day. It's 334 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: a changing constants. And that's the kind of change that 335 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: lasts when they just like with the with the communist 336 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: revolutions and all that they can they hold They held 337 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: onto things for a while, but in the end, you know, 338 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: the biggest ones anyway, except for China, North Korea, pretty 339 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: much they all fail because it's it's it's human nature 340 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: to want to do better for yourself, to want to 341 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: work harder, to to have more things and take better 342 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: carry a family and stuff. And that's a hard thing 343 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: to fight, you know, the hard thing to fight human nature. Yeah, 344 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: I mean, and that's what slowly happened in Ukraine with 345 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: that Revolution of dignity. It's just yep, you know, they 346 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: got a taste of it, and there's a whole promise 347 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: of joining the potentially joining the EU, and then then 348 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: they try to cray backed down, and those young kids 349 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: just rose up. And Vakia too, they had a they 350 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: had a beful revolution. You know, just it's just kind 351 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: of like, hey, look, this is what we want, you know, 352 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: we're just gonna do it inpecially and they got it. 353 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: They made happen. Yeah. So c J really really interested, 354 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: you know, as I'm starting this new podcast, The Power 355 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: of Thought and just dealing with a lot of people's 356 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 1: fear um and overcoming adversity and just wondering how your 357 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: personal experience performing in front of a live audience, and 358 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: and you know, is there any issues that you had 359 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: to overcome being a live performer and in front of 360 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,959 Speaker 1: a crowd that you can share share with people and 361 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: so they can maybe help them deal with their own 362 00:21:54,480 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: fear of public speaking or talking in front of a crop. Sure, yeah, 363 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: no problem, Um, I just tell the story. Yeah, yeah, 364 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: I would love it. Okay. So the uh, you know, 365 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: the leap from from going from PA you know, playing 366 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: in club bands and whatnot and uh, and then moving 367 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: into playing with the Ramons where we played you know, 368 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: in front of the crowds even some some even bigger 369 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: than that. I mean you really a wide range of 370 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: audiences anywhere from five hundred to you know, like I said, 371 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: and higher. Um, it was it was kind of a 372 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: trial by fire for me because I had no experience 373 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: in playing in front of a crowd more than more 374 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: than a couple of hundred. And definitely, ah, the expectation 375 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: from the crowd was nowhere's near as what it was 376 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: for Horamons. And because I was such a huge Ramons fan, 377 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: I just it was not gonna happen that I was 378 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: going to get up on stage and not be completely prepared, 379 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: so um uh yeah to keep it. When I got 380 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: to the band I got I only had five weeks 381 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: in between when I got out of the Marine Corps 382 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: and when I did my first uh show with the band, 383 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: So I had five weeks to learn forty songs and 384 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: and five weeks to the day I did my first show. 385 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: So um I have. I just developed a a method, 386 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: really form for practicing and preparing that really helped kind 387 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: of put a lot of the push, a lot of 388 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: the fear to the side. And that was just a 389 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: really strong um practice schedule, a really intense practice schedule. 390 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: I literally lived in my in my room for five 391 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 1: weeks straight and did nothing but play bass. And when 392 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,959 Speaker 1: I wasn't playing my bass, I had it in my hands. 393 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: I ate dinn is sitting sitting down with my bass. 394 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,479 Speaker 1: I even slept. I had read somewhere that Jimmy Hendrick 395 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: slept with his guitar because he felt like it helped 396 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: him connect with his guitar. I slept with my bass 397 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: in my bed. I still lay on my back and 398 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: just like you're doing blue camp with single directly portals, 399 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: That's how I stuffed my bass. And I'm not joking 400 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: that just that kind of preparation really um set me 401 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: up for uh for a good first experience. Now the 402 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: night of the show, of course, the first show, I'm 403 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: standing in the wings and I'm trying to go over 404 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: in my head everything that I've done. The trick with 405 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: the Ramones songs is is that a lot of them 406 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: are so similar. At practices I would play, I would 407 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: be playing like the verse from one song and break 408 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: into the chorus of another one, because some of them 409 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: are structured so closely, uh that it's your mind just 410 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: kind of they all kind of bleed into one song 411 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: at some point. But I had, I really had to 412 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 1: like go over in my head before we went on 413 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 1: stage and try to like separate each songs. And if 414 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: you've ever seen a Ramon concert or watched one, the 415 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: songs go one to one, one right into another. Every 416 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: time the song stops, I would have to count off 417 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: one to three for them we would saw it to 418 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: the next one. So even separating the songs was was 419 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: difficult once the set started rolling. But that but rehearsal. 420 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: Practicing the way I did and the rehearsal schedule we 421 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: kept with the Ramones um technically prepared me for it. Mentally, 422 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: It's really a whole other thing. Mentally. There was no 423 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: way for me to prepare for being a Ramon and 424 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: stepping on stage and taking the place of one of 425 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: the most legendary bass players and songwriters in in punk 426 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: rock and rock and roll history. There was no way 427 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: I could prepare for that. I was a d D fan. 428 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: When I heard d D left the band, I said 429 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: to my buddy, we were riding in a car together. 430 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: I turned him and I said, I'll never go to 431 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: another Remone show because it ain't the Remones. And those 432 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: words just rang in my head like as a standing there. 433 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: But um, the the best way for me to describe 434 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: the mental state that I was in before we went 435 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: on stage was just I just had to let everything 436 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 1: go I had. I just had to let it go. 437 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: I knew I couldn't go out on stage with all 438 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: these worries and all these fears in my head, and 439 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: then I had a lot of them. I really did. 440 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 1: It was it was a scary, scary situation, you know, 441 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: the we had the good, the bad, and the ugly. 442 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: That thing played before on stage, and I had been 443 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: to so many remote shows as soon as I heard 444 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: that start, I got bought flies like forget it, and 445 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: but I stood there and and Johnny looked at me 446 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: and he said, and he looked me right in my eyes, 447 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: and he said to me, are you ready to go? 448 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: And I just smiled and I said, I'm ready, and 449 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: I just I just had to let it go. I 450 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: just had to let it go. And because at that 451 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: point there was nothing I could do. I had practiced 452 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: as much as I could, I had rehearsed with the 453 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: band as much as I could, I lived a slept 454 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: everything with my base that whole time, and I felt like, 455 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: if I'm not ready right now, I'm never going to 456 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: be ready. And that's pretty much how I stepped out 457 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: on stage. And let me tell you, it was not 458 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: a graceful, you know, perfectly played set. I got hit 459 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: with boots, bottled handfuls of coins. I was so covered 460 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 1: with spit. At the end of the set when we 461 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: walked over the encore, I pulled my shirt off because 462 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: I just smelled like nucus so bad. So now not 463 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: only did I have to know just kind of let 464 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: everything go and and fall back on on my my training, 465 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: but I had to, you know, I had to fight 466 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: all of that stuff at the same time. And I 467 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: had people right up front holding up a sign that 468 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: said we want d D and cursing at me and 469 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: everything else, and is it okay to drop the F bomb? 470 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: You can curse, I can curse on you. I had 471 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: this girl sitting on her boyfriend's shoulders right in front 472 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 1: of me giving me the thing of the whole time, 473 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: holding up a sign that said we want d D. 474 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: I walked out to the end of the stage. I 475 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: was like, fuck you. I sucked the clean and the 476 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: ass and just giving it right back to them. And 477 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: at one point I got so piste off I walked 478 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: back to my aunt. I grabbed the water bottle off 479 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: the top of my aunt and hit this girl right 480 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: in the chest and knocked the up her boyfriend's shoulders. 481 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: He turned around and looked at the stage and put 482 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: both his fists in the AM was like yeah. And 483 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: at that point I realized like I was winning the 484 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: crowd old because I didn't stay at the back and 485 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: hunkered down a little scared, I went right out to 486 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: the end of the stage, took everything they threw at me, 487 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: and and still played decent and got through the sentence 488 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: and that's how it went. That was the first one 489 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: that it was kind of a repeat of that every 490 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: night for the first year, every time we went to 491 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: a new territory, pummeled with stuff and spit on. But 492 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: it's like anything else. Wanted to go through it once 493 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: and you know what to expect. There's normal fear in it. 494 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, and that that's something that hit me just 495 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,239 Speaker 1: listening to your story. And I've seen it. When I 496 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: was a sniper instructor. We would do these five hour 497 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: stocking exercises and you know, and we'd have two instructors 498 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: observing that the students were sneaking up on trying to 499 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: get within two in meters and set up for a shot. 500 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: And we'd have walkers in the field. And when I 501 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: remember being a walker and if this fluorescent orange hat 502 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: and a radio and the and the observers instructors, if 503 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: they see something, they use you as a walker in 504 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: the field to to bust a student who's not camouflaged 505 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: properly or using his concealment. And I would see these guys, 506 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: they would get up to the to the two zone. 507 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: They'd be there first, and they would spend hours and 508 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: hours just prepping and prepping, and they could not let 509 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: go and take that shot. They could commit to taking 510 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: the shot. And it's where I think a lot of 511 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: people get stuck in life, is you know, they're preparing, preparing. 512 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: Oh it's not the time, this this field, right, it's 513 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: not good enough. I need to prepare more. And eventually 514 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: you've got to just fucking let go. And once once 515 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: you let go, you feel what it's like and then 516 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: you kind of get better and adjust, and but you 517 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: have to let go or else you're just never going 518 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: to move forward. Yeah, it's it's like having buck fever, 519 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's And the worst thing that, the worst 520 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: thing about out it is is opportunity, real serious opportunity 521 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: comes up so rarely in life. Opportunity is really a 522 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: rare thing. Uh. If you're the average person, if you're 523 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: somebody that understands that, and you're making your own opportunities, 524 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: you're getting out there and making your own opportunities, that's 525 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: a different thing. But for the average person or younger 526 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: person who's just kind of coming into the you know, 527 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: coming into the world kind of just finding themselves, they 528 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: usually blowl a lot of opportunity because they feel that 529 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: they're not ready, they feel that they're not prepared enough 530 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: even if they are, or they're just not willing to 531 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: take a chance. And that's something that I that I 532 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: try to tell everybody I know, friends that have wanted 533 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: to get businesses started, or friends that just wanted to 534 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: make a big move in their life life, I always 535 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: tell them, I'm like, you've already made up your mind 536 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: you want to do it. Stop thinking that you're prepping. 537 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: You've already made up your mind. That's it. If your 538 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: mind is made up, you have to just go for it. 539 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: Because the longer you put it off and the longer 540 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: you said, well after this happens, well after that happens, 541 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: what you're doing is you're creating a cycle, of repetitive 542 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: cycle that you're not going to break out of, because 543 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: every time you feel uncomfortable, you're gonna fall back into 544 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: that cycle. And that's a really dangerous thing because that's 545 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: the kind of thing that can keep you from doing 546 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: anything and and not well, not only will it keep 547 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: you from doing big things, but if you let that 548 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: cycle continue, it will even keep you from making smaller decisions. 549 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: And then you're then you're in that kind of weird 550 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: spot where you're paralyzed. You're it's like my wife calls it, 551 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: powerless by paralysis by analysis. You know, you just you're 552 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: constantly looking at the problem and and and trying to 553 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: uh and trying to figure out every little problem that 554 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: might come up. You deal with the problems on the fly. 555 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: Sometimes that's how it goes, but you've got to take 556 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: those first steps to make it happen. And most people 557 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: just don't even understand how capable they are of thinking 558 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: on their feet and solving problems as they go along. 559 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: It's almost like you once you make a commitment and 560 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: you get into something, there's like a um, it's like 561 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: a river. There's a flow to it. You're caught in 562 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: that flow, and as things come up on you, you 563 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: learn to either navigate navigate around them, or you learn 564 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: to go through them. But for the most part, most 565 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,239 Speaker 1: people will do one or the other. The thing that 566 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: messages messes you up is when you come up on 567 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: a problem and you get paralyzed by it, and all 568 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: you can focus on and focus on is the problem 569 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: and not how to navigate around it or go through it. 570 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: That's what you have a problem. But most people know 571 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: most people. Once they're grown in that situation, they know, Okay, 572 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: this is coming up, this is what what do we 573 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: have to do? And the and the best thing is 574 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: once you get to the level where you have a 575 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: team and then you can surround yourself with good people 576 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: that when something comes be saying, hey, what do you think? 577 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: What do you think? What do you think? And then 578 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,719 Speaker 1: it makes your own job a lot easier. And the danger, 579 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: like you said, is make is when it becomes a 580 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: habit and you have a habit of not falling through. 581 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: And that's something I talk about with my own kids 582 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,800 Speaker 1: and I I say, look, you have to make setting 583 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: goals and achieving them, like even the small ones. You know. 584 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: We had that book that that's the Admiral Seal Admiral 585 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: mc craven. It was my first commanding officers, Seal Team 586 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: three wrote a book about and the whole thing was 587 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: like make your bed, because that small act of setting 588 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: a goal for yourself and completing it every day is 589 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: something you develop a habit of and then it turns 590 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: into bigger goals, bigger accomplishments. But you're developing that pattern 591 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: of being able to set goals and achieve them and 592 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: not just give up halfway through. And you and I 593 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 1: have both had friends that it's something that just never 594 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: finish it, and then they start something else and they 595 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: never finish it, and you're you hit the nail on 596 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: the head brother with the opportunity, because opportunities come around, 597 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: so there's just so scarce and you have to seize 598 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: on those opportunities and the time we just don't have 599 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: there are. Time is so limited and precious on this 600 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: planet that you have to use it, and you've got 601 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: to start right fucking now today, right because well now 602 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: now you're talking about now you're talking about the big 603 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: picture though, is of time. That's the big picture, appreciating 604 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: time and knowing and and really knowing what your time 605 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 1: is worth. There's you know, uh, running out of time 606 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: is my worst fear. Yes, that's my biggest fear is 607 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: running out of time. I don't want to run out 608 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: of time before I get to do everything that I 609 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: wanted to do in my life. And that's why I 610 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: move at the pace I do. That's why I take 611 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: that you know, I do the tour schedule that that 612 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: I do. That's why I'm out there constantly hitting the 613 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: road hard. There's things I still want to accomplish within 614 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: within music that I'm still working towards, and I worked 615 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: towards them every single day. I make sure I do 616 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: something small every single day. My wife and I had 617 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: a had a major discussion yesterday on I recently took 618 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 1: uh took a couple of tours in the support slot 619 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,839 Speaker 1: for other bands. And you know, one of the things 620 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: that I'm trying to do is increase the crowds sides 621 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: in the States. And the only way I can do 622 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 1: that is if I get in front of bigger crowds 623 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,240 Speaker 1: and and and and pick up a couple of fans. 624 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: But it can't necessarily be bands that um that are 625 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: punk rock bands, because we're pulling pretty much from the 626 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: same the same group of people. So we went out 627 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: on tour with this one band, and I know we 628 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: picked up a good amount of new fans because we 629 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: sold a lot of merchandise on the Knights that we 630 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 1: played with them. That's that's how we gauge, um how 631 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: much people really have liked the show is by the 632 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: amount of merchandise that we that we sell. So we 633 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: played with the band, most of the crowd was their crowd, 634 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: but we still sold what we usually do, so we 635 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: can say, hey, we definitely picked up some some new fans, 636 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: so we've got another offer from them. It's going to 637 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 1: really fill in my schedule. I'm going to be gone 638 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 1: for most of the rest of this year, and which 639 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 1: of course my wife is none too happy about. But 640 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: she was questioning on why why I would take a 641 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: tour a warm up slot with another band when it 642 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,839 Speaker 1: doesn't pay anywhere near as much as it does when 643 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,919 Speaker 1: I play on my own, And I told her, I'm 644 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 1: playing the long game. I'm fifty one years old. I'm 645 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: still playing the long game in music, you know what 646 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: I mean? That will have a very long view of 647 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: my life and my career because there are definite things 648 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 1: I want to accomplish, and I know how I'm I 649 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: know how to get to them. I know you know 650 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,359 Speaker 1: what it's going to take to get there, and I 651 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: do whatever it takes to get there. And that's what 652 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 1: that's always been My philosophy is you can pretty much 653 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 1: have whatever you want as long as you're willing to 654 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 1: do what it takes to get there. Yeah, I agree, 655 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: and I talk about the long game and music. I 656 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: just watched that Chicago documentary and I mean, with those 657 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 1: guys in sixty years now, it's so believable there for 658 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 1: the long game. Um, but hey, brother, I appreciate you 659 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: taking the time today and just a fascinating perspective and 660 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: I know, I know the audience is gonna love it. 661 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,800 Speaker 1: And thanks for having me brother. I appreciated man. Thanks 662 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: you've been listening to self red Radio. New episodes up 663 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: every Wednesday and Friday. Follow the show on Instagram and 664 00:38:47,640 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: Twitter at self red Radio.