Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you my own look over
Speaker 1: there is that culture. Yes, lost, cult ding lost. Here's
Speaker 1: the thing that happened.
Speaker 2: Happened. We're keeping it.
Speaker 1: Lost.
Speaker 3: I think the reason why I did that is because
Speaker 3: the thing that you don't know is that last cat
Speaker 3: like has been happening.
Speaker 1: It's been happening.
Speaker 2: That beautiful.
Speaker 1: What a great spin.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I'm getting good the spin the more I'm in the buz. No,
Speaker 3: I literally hit the ground.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's something about our guests that idiot Devey. Yes,
Speaker 1: gay man in his thirties.
Speaker 2: Oh baby, let me tell you something.
Speaker 3: The way I was up at seven, I actually woke
Speaker 3: up and like kind of shot you will up at seven? Two?
Speaker 1: Has your dreat lag by the way, I think, I'm okay,
Speaker 1: you need not sponsored time shifter, you need time shift.
Speaker 1: That as my dreat light app Okay, you know what
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: Do NQO.
Speaker 3: And that actually show it was a roll of the dice.
Speaker 3: But I mean I slept for at least a hard
Speaker 3: six and a half. Great, but that doesn't even compare
Speaker 3: to what happened to our guests.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Oh, I think she said three hours, fifteen minutes, twenty minutes,
Speaker 3: three and a half hours because the world premiere of
Speaker 3: Megan two point zero was.
Speaker 1: The world premiere of Megan two point oh was last night.
Speaker 1: I was privileged enough to watch it from the comfort
Speaker 1: of my own home. Oh my god, with Sudie Green.
Speaker 1: Oh you did, and we were both like, this is
Speaker 1: it's art, this is fucking artful. There's a moment. There's
Speaker 1: so many things that I want to spoil that I can't,
Speaker 1: but there's just a moment. I'll say, there is a
Speaker 1: moment that pays tribute to an important musical artist and
Speaker 1: it's and it's sublime. You're gonna have to tell me after.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you after. No, I actually can't tell you
Speaker 1: because all of you.
Speaker 2: So it is a call to action, everyone listening me to.
Speaker 3: The theater, Now to the theater, now our guests to me.
Speaker 1: Do you think people are gonna go? I was like, girl,
Speaker 1: of course they're gonna go. Here's the thing.
Speaker 3: If I went to a horror movie in the theater,
Speaker 3: which I did for the first one formative memory, then
Speaker 3: you know people are going like if me, Matt Rogers
Speaker 3: went to a horror film, went to a horror film,
Speaker 3: and I'm working myself up from this one. And this
Speaker 3: is the thing about our guests. Bona fide scream quick
Speaker 3: I said it deserved Oscar nomination for get Out. I
Speaker 3: said that movie like obviously works for many reasons, but
Speaker 3: one of the key components is the fact that our
Speaker 3: guest's performance is so good, perfect casting, perfect, perfect like
Speaker 3: and just like the niche that we found here.
Speaker 2: And obviously we haven't even said the word Marnie yet.
Speaker 3: This the best character one in television history, one of
Speaker 3: the great. You could never have sung stronger like that.
Speaker 3: You could never have left the checkpoints go by like that,
Speaker 3: like Marnie.
Speaker 2: You could never have.
Speaker 1: Had a panic and Central Park episode. You were too
Speaker 1: self conscious to ever be Marnie. You know you know
Speaker 1: what line where you kind of like ping ping pings
Speaker 1: in my head? What I'm Megitai.
Speaker 2: Gita, everyone please, I'm laughing so hard my c section.
Speaker 1: Please don't don't.
Speaker 2: A good way. It's old. Now.
Speaker 3: This is the thing, like immediate warm vibes towards you,
Speaker 3: and that makes me so I.
Speaker 2: Literally feel like I've known you for years. I've also
Speaker 2: been listening for years. You are my culture. You are
Speaker 2: it's surreal to be here. I almost forgot that I
Speaker 2: was going to participate because I'm just watching what I
Speaker 2: watch all the time. How do you feel about that? Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm it's obviously an honor, and it's also yeah, because
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, the whole bit is that I'm not cool,
Speaker 2: and so it's like a very it's a real bull's
Speaker 2: eye of a an Angie k as a recipient is
Speaker 2: like an honor beyond belief, as a real Housewives of
Speaker 2: Salt Lake City, like fanatic. I just can't these guys know.
Speaker 2: I already told them I met Meredith last night, you guys,
Speaker 2: and you had the same reaction as bone Yang at
Speaker 2: the Fire Island. I had to stop talking to her
Speaker 2: because I was like, I can't. My system isn't ready
Speaker 2: for it. No one prepared me. No one was like,
Speaker 2: just so you know, you may also have to have
Speaker 2: a reserve amount of energy to interact with Meredith Marks
Speaker 2: at this and.
Speaker 3: No one can prepare you for meeting Meredith Marks. It's
Speaker 3: actually really culture number three. No one can prepare you
Speaker 3: for meeting Meredith Mars. It's just gonna happen one day.
Speaker 2: True, even if I had had all the time in
Speaker 2: the world, right.
Speaker 1: No, this is the thing about the Alison Williams.
Speaker 2: Cool Girl Award.
Speaker 3: It's about it's about iconography, it's about being a symbol.
Speaker 2: And can I tell you it's That's what I think
Speaker 2: it means.
Speaker 3: And that's why Angie k won it is because she,
Speaker 3: I think, came into came into the lexicon as one
Speaker 3: thing and then superseded that. And I feel like when
Speaker 3: we met you as Marnie, like we all kind of
Speaker 3: like had a reaction, right because Marnie.
Speaker 2: The reaction that was, don't be a Marnie. In your
Speaker 2: old apartment, I had.
Speaker 1: Sign bonyang had a sign that said, don't be a Marnie.
Speaker 1: My roommate Mike Spence wrote it was really his yea, yes,
Speaker 1: But you want to know why I remembered it because
Speaker 1: I always forgot. I always forgot not to be a Marnie.
Speaker 2: But we can't avoid it sometimes.
Speaker 1: Do you feel this way though I'm sure you feel
Speaker 1: this way, like I'm sure you feel this way, is
Speaker 1: there is something about Marnie that is like all all
Speaker 1: of us have this urgency, this like danger around not
Speaker 1: being Marnie because we all are.
Speaker 2: That is the thing. I made these mugs for the
Speaker 2: last season of the show as gifts, and I made
Speaker 2: one for each character and like it was I'm a
Speaker 2: Jessa It's fabulous, and I'm a show It's OMG. And
Speaker 2: the one for Marnie was I'm a Marnie it's a bummer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and everyone who got them, I gave them to the
Speaker 2: people who felt like Marnie's and they were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: thank you. I mean yeah, So that was the vibe.
Speaker 2: I think it was too close. Gen Z is like
Speaker 2: she's self self care, she's got boundaries. They have like
Speaker 2: new vocabulary for this, and Millennial we were just like
Speaker 2: we can't. It's too close, like looking into the sun.
Speaker 2: I can't look at this person right now. You want
Speaker 2: to know what it's too much.
Speaker 3: Another thing was like I think it took me about
Speaker 3: a season and a half to realize that Marnie was
Speaker 3: Like I think I was like, because like you get
Speaker 3: you join the show and it's like there's Hannah being
Speaker 3: Hannah and she's like a mess and she's the protagonist
Speaker 3: and you start the show like with a job with
Speaker 3: a boyfriend, and then things crumble away. Yes, so it
Speaker 3: took me a second, as did everyone else, to realize like, oh,
Speaker 3: Marnie is the mess character, and I had already lashed
Speaker 3: onto her a different way, so we were like, it's
Speaker 3: sort of a Carrie Bradshaws thing of.
Speaker 1: Like, don't do that, We're not that.
Speaker 2: What do you mean? What are you doing that? You
Speaker 2: have clean lines, you know how to do your hair.
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden she sang, she's singing stronger,
Speaker 3: and it's like at someone else's office party. But I
Speaker 3: couldn't laugh at it the time because it was too close. Now,
Speaker 3: every single Marny line is a laugh line.
Speaker 2: That makes me so happy. It's honestly, like, what a pleasure.
Speaker 2: It was so fun to do the first time around,
Speaker 2: And now I get to talk about it as if
Speaker 2: I'm like actively promoting it, as if it's airing currently.
Speaker 2: It's so fun.
Speaker 1: What do you make of this? Like real resurgence of girls?
Speaker 2: It's the best. I think it's a little bit of
Speaker 2: what I was describing to you, like there's enough distance.
Speaker 2: First of all, our version of New York City is
Speaker 2: like all we were worried about was like rent roommate's boyfriends.
Speaker 2: There wasn't like existential I mean, there were people having
Speaker 2: existential fears, and that was one of the criticisms of
Speaker 2: the show, and we did not display that experience of
Speaker 2: living in New York City at the time. Lena wrote
Speaker 2: what she knew, which was like those that level of
Speaker 2: problem there is now we live in such a hell
Speaker 2: that there is such an aspirational quality to being like
Speaker 2: the biggest thing I'm worried about is Rent and boyfriend exactly,
Speaker 2: And am I into art history and Ann Taylor Loft
Speaker 2: and like all of those questions and not like can
Speaker 2: I stay in this country? Right? You know those kinds
Speaker 2: of questions or like do people recognize that I'm a human? Right?
Speaker 1: But you know that's the world, which is what we
Speaker 1: love about exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: But I really do think it feels now in a
Speaker 2: way that it felt so real and like grungy that
Speaker 2: people found it hard to watch. I think it now
Speaker 2: feels like almost aspirationally, like low stake human level conflict.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I remember at the time feeling like, wow, the
Speaker 3: show really sees the reality, And now I'm like, WHOA,
Speaker 3: the show really saw the reality of like having that
Speaker 3: sort of like I guess like Obama core Obama era aspiration,
Speaker 3: like thinking.
Speaker 2: You are one thing but so being another.
Speaker 3: You cannot see yourself, because that's really what the four
Speaker 3: of them were. They were just examples of not being
Speaker 3: able to see yourself in that environment and us being like,
Speaker 3: I guess fresh NYU grads like living in those areas
Speaker 3: exactly just the and I don't mean sweaty as in
Speaker 3: like I mean literally sweaty vibes of the show.
Speaker 2: Not knowing how to take care of your like body
Speaker 2: or anything like not knowing to drink water, and just
Speaker 2: like because a new person, Yes, yeah, I feel like
Speaker 2: it was. It was so fun to make, and it
Speaker 2: was really intense obviously for a lot of reasons. It
Speaker 2: was a loud show. Like every episode that aired, this
Speaker 2: is I'm gonna spoil one of my I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 2: one of us. Here's one of the seventh is the
Speaker 2: lack of monoculture. I miss it. But here's one of
Speaker 2: the things that was hard about it to ruin it
Speaker 2: and to discount my own I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 2: is that it was if you were part of the
Speaker 2: thing that the whole media sphere was focused on. And
Speaker 2: that doesn't make for a monoculture, but it felt like
Speaker 2: it for sure. Of course, is a really intense experience
Speaker 2: you have, like every journalist at Jezebel and Goker, like
Speaker 2: every Monday morning writing an article about the episode that
Speaker 2: you had, and it was more fun and cool to
Speaker 2: be mean about it, so that a Monday was like
Speaker 2: a very intense day of the week when Girls was
Speaker 2: airing for all of us.
Speaker 1: Not a similar experience, only in the sense that dunking
Speaker 1: on a show that you're on is like immediately after
Speaker 1: it airs, is part of the SNL experience. It's just
Speaker 1: more fun to be like mean and rude.
Speaker 2: Yes, where the good old days and somehow like the
Speaker 2: good old days are always not currently happening and it's
Speaker 2: a perfect show and you're so fucking good on it.
Speaker 1: But oh, oh my god, stops that. Wait, we're you
Speaker 1: talking about you talking about me?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I wasn't even registering that. But I it's
Speaker 1: just this thing where it's like everyone thinks of the
Speaker 1: highlight reel. Everyone's thinking of the old HBO days of
Speaker 1: your yeah, like compilations or whatever, you know, like the
Speaker 1: way that we were consuming things was more monocultural, and
Speaker 1: now it's like whatever, I'm not saying anything new, but
Speaker 1: I mean, you must feel nice to have the Patina
Speaker 1: on girls be like, wow, what a gorgeous sculptural thing.
Speaker 2: Yes, And also it's the it's already like there, it
Speaker 2: is there, and it can't we can't do anything to
Speaker 2: it anymore. And so it's like for all its flaws
Speaker 2: and everything that makes it iconic, like it is just
Speaker 2: what it is. And the fact that people like my
Speaker 2: cousin who's exactly ten years younger than me, it hit
Speaker 2: her at twenty three. She finally I was like, fine,
Speaker 2: you can watch it, okay, and I'll be able to
Speaker 2: make eye contact with you. And she was like, this
Speaker 2: show is everything to me. And I was like, that's fascinating.
Speaker 2: We have so little in common in terms of like
Speaker 2: what that what your twenty three looks like physically and
Speaker 2: superficially with Marnie's, but the themes are the same of
Speaker 2: like who am I? What do I want? All of
Speaker 2: those like kind of existentially things, and I just I
Speaker 2: don't know how I was able to write it while
Speaker 2: she was living it, which is yeah, that's what I crazy.
Speaker 2: Didn't need perspective distance right just like in it but
Speaker 2: still be reading glasses, Like was able to write this
Speaker 2: thing rather than you know, like would you guys improvising
Speaker 2: we did, like because Judd Apatowz we had, we did
Speaker 2: use that sometimes, especially in ensemble scenes. We would use
Speaker 2: improv to like loosen up the scene. Maybe we'd get
Speaker 2: there and we'd read through it once verbatim, like sitting down,
Speaker 2: and then we'd get up and people would just throw
Speaker 2: stuff in. And then we were constantly getting pitched all
Speaker 2: during the shoot, so people they're at the punchline, you
Speaker 2: would just rotate through proper nouns or whatever, and so
Speaker 2: that was really fun and also my as we already
Speaker 2: just got just improv a little bit my only skill.
Speaker 2: So I was like, this is thrilling. The only literal
Speaker 2: training I have is improv comedy. And it comes up
Speaker 2: in my first job, Like what could be dreamier than that?
Speaker 3: Was? I am never coming back to Bushwick in the script,
Speaker 3: great question, I think. So I'm literally looking at you
Speaker 3: and I remembering like so many like when he slapped
Speaker 3: you in that in the cra Accident, which was another
Speaker 3: again like a number of iconic episodes, he.
Speaker 2: Slaps you, you walk away. I am never coming back
Speaker 2: to Bushwick. Like if that was the problem, I want
Speaker 2: to look. I have all the drafts of the scripts
Speaker 2: in my inbox somewhere. I need to look and see
Speaker 2: if it was in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My my query is Beach House episode season four show.
Speaker 1: Sure mean drunk, Marty.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, I think I think that feels in for us. Yes,
Speaker 2: we do it.
Speaker 1: We're just crazy the way you the way Martie, Michaels
Speaker 1: alls and Williams says it.
Speaker 2: I mean yes.
Speaker 3: Also, like that's that's not a Bob episode obviously because
Speaker 3: it's the everyone, but like, but that show accepted the
Speaker 3: bottle episode, and you can't talk about bottle episodes on
Speaker 3: television in general without talking about the panic in Central Park,
Speaker 3: which was such not only yea, honestly.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I saw you speak about this
Speaker 2: the other day.
Speaker 3: It is so much more impactful later when you watch
Speaker 3: it having had that person where you're walking along the
Speaker 3: street and you see them and your heart falls through
Speaker 3: the floor. I've had this experience, and I watched the
Speaker 3: episode again.
Speaker 2: It had me on.
Speaker 3: My back, like it was like, do you just talk
Speaker 3: about that episode, like specifically, like what it felt to
Speaker 3: get it?
Speaker 2: Did you know what was coming? Lena had mentioned it,
Speaker 2: but sometimes in the process of writing a season of
Speaker 2: a show, like the plans changed. I was a soul cycle.
Speaker 2: Marnie was a soul cycle instructor for a season and
Speaker 2: that ended up getting cut out of the show. Listen,
Speaker 2: she I trained, I like went to like double glasses,
Speaker 2: it cycles, soul cycle. Yeah, I can't remember why. It
Speaker 2: was the season that Chris Abbott left, and so we
Speaker 2: were scrambling to come up with what Marty's storyline was
Speaker 2: because he left like really really like really close to
Speaker 2: starting to shoot I don't love you and I never
Speaker 2: loved you. Well, listen, the thing that is so what
Speaker 2: I was just going to say about that episode is
Speaker 2: that I was happy I hadn't seen Chris really since
Speaker 2: he left the show. So there was a kind of
Speaker 2: meta element to shooting panic Steffra Park because we didn't
Speaker 2: have I didn't like reach out to him to be
Speaker 2: like what happened because we were all like scrambling and
Speaker 2: then going into production, so there just wasn't a closure conversation.
Speaker 2: He hadn't like bought pizza ingredients, but it was still
Speaker 2: like very abrupt, and so when we were back together
Speaker 2: making this episode together, there was just this energy of
Speaker 2: like what happened and also like I felt we all
Speaker 2: felt like kind of like he left, like we felt rejected.
Speaker 2: I mean, wasn't that serious and heavy, but it was
Speaker 2: very easy to be like to have that energy in there,
Speaker 2: even though that wasn't something I had experienced yet, other
Speaker 2: than like on a college campus, where course you're going
Speaker 2: to run into your exes, you're expecting it. But on
Speaker 2: like the street corner with his like new friends and
Speaker 2: new accent, like and new facial hair and knew, just
Speaker 2: new energy and smell and everything like that was something
Speaker 2: that was aided hugely by the fact that we hadn't
Speaker 2: seen him. I mean, we'd all been in touch with
Speaker 2: him in some superficial way, but we hadn't physically had
Speaker 2: him in our presence in the girls like world since
Speaker 2: the end of season two.
Speaker 3: I guess, Wow, so then you guys do this episode together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well what I was saying is that, like, so
Speaker 2: the plans changed for seasons sometimes. Yeah, So I didn't try.
Speaker 2: I tried not to get too excited about the idea
Speaker 2: of but when Lena mentioned that I was such a
Speaker 2: fan of One Man's Trash and like all of our
Speaker 2: hand like the North Work episode as well, like, I
Speaker 2: just was the idea of doing a bottle episode was
Speaker 2: so exciting, but I was like, don't get too excited.
Speaker 2: Things happen, stories, you know whatever. And then it got
Speaker 2: there and she sent it to me and I was like,
Speaker 2: this is extraordinary. And Richard was directing, and I love
Speaker 2: Richard and I was so excited to do it, and
Speaker 2: it felt like we made a short film in New
Speaker 2: York and over the course of like a seven day
Speaker 2: shoot I think I think seven days of shooting a New.
Speaker 1: York but a thousand percent it's a short film. It's
Speaker 1: just it's completely artful and whatever. It's God, I love
Speaker 1: that episode, so I think my favorite, my favorite.
Speaker 3: It's amazing as like its own piece and also as
Speaker 3: an installment. It's so important, I mean, and every character
Speaker 3: kind of had that, obviously Shanna and Japan Jessa with
Speaker 3: that that gorgeous episode with her father, like you know
Speaker 3: what I mean like that, and also the episode with
Speaker 3: Matthew Reese.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: No, that's probably the Sasor I've seen the most because
Speaker 3: it's just this like gorgeous little play and they're so
Speaker 3: brilliant together.
Speaker 2: And I will say I miss Lena on screen. I
Speaker 2: miss Lena on screen so much like my favorite performance
Speaker 2: of hers for the entire show is in the diner
Speaker 2: with Adam. Oh God, it like makes me want to
Speaker 2: cry thinking about that. Seems the two of them when
Speaker 2: they're making plans and they both know it's not going
Speaker 2: to happen. She is so so good.
Speaker 3: Also, and also when she said and I think it
Speaker 3: was the end of the first season, or when she
Speaker 3: goes she goes to Adam and she goes, you are
Speaker 3: very charming and I can't be around you anymore. I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: and she knocks on the door and then he ends
Speaker 3: up pulling her in and she's like, God, you can't
Speaker 3: be doing this, Like this is not what I want.
Speaker 2: I need to end this. But that push pull, that
Speaker 2: like pure attraction to this, like guy weird, I have
Speaker 2: to like casting is was one of the superpowers on
Speaker 2: that show. Baby, So I mean, I mean, who improvised
Speaker 2: a line your dad is gay? Which became that was
Speaker 2: the became that was like a huge story line. The
Speaker 2: whole show is an improvised line. All adventurous women do.
Speaker 2: That has to be top five episode name. You're encyclopedic
Speaker 2: knowledge of the names of these episodes. So this is
Speaker 2: our favorite show.
Speaker 3: Like this is our favorite show, so probably the most
Speaker 3: on this podcast of any other television.
Speaker 2: Series is I mean, listen, I love listening to you
Speaker 2: or show, and it gives me I get nervous every time.
Speaker 2: But you do bring it up a lot, and I'm
Speaker 2: such an it is because you probably have that experience too,
Speaker 2: you guys. Both people mentioned less college people mentioned like
Speaker 2: all of the stuff you guys do. It's a difference
Speaker 2: when people mention it when you're alone in your house,
Speaker 2: like folding laundry, and you're like, I've been invoked. Do
Speaker 2: I pause?
Speaker 3: It become a reference, which is odd. When you become
Speaker 3: like something that someone can point to and it feels
Speaker 3: like something.
Speaker 2: Well, that's when you've made it. I mean, it has
Speaker 2: to be close to the top of the rules of culture.
Speaker 1: I would say, oh, sure, that's when you've made it.
Speaker 2: What rule of culture? What number is that? Also, I
Speaker 2: don't get we don't get to you just picking all
Speaker 2: it feels like one. It feels like one because.
Speaker 1: It's number one.
Speaker 2: When you become a reference, that's when you know you
Speaker 2: made it. It's true. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Also, can we say, in terms of casting Rita Wilson
Speaker 3: as your I love her so much.
Speaker 2: I'm about to see her in like two days. I'm
Speaker 2: really crazy about her. Yes, and the fact that she's
Speaker 2: in Lena's show with Andrew and so excited and Meg,
Speaker 2: who I'm obsessed with. She's basically playing well, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I haven't seen the show, but based on the trailer,
Speaker 2: this is like sort of Lena's arc into London because
Speaker 2: she just like made an exodus. She was like I
Speaker 2: needed stopping ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just really want to see it.
Speaker 3: Not that, and that has to be another thing is
Speaker 3: it's like you set a certain bar for something you do,
Speaker 3: and like that's another thing with you.
Speaker 2: It's like there's the follow up. So you have Girls,
Speaker 2: you have Marnie. It has this cultural.
Speaker 3: Impact and then you're a part of not one but
Speaker 3: two like other like big culture moments like get Out,
Speaker 3: Like I would imagine you get to be like a
Speaker 3: little choosy after Girls, But like what was do you?
Speaker 1: Did you feel that way? Right?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: What I It was a combination of things I was
Speaker 2: getting sent essentially Marnie in different situations like scripts, and
Speaker 2: they just weren't as good as Girls. I was like,
Speaker 2: all respect to the things you guys, are that people
Speaker 2: were writing and sending like I am doing the best,
Speaker 2: Like Lena is so talented, these writers are so good,
Speaker 2: Like I'm kind of so spoiled about this type of
Speaker 2: character in this situation, and then the other things that
Speaker 2: I was like going for. We're two different and people
Speaker 2: couldn't picture me in those roles because we were so
Speaker 2: aligned with our characters. So then I was like, they
Speaker 2: were like, do you want to play Peter Pan on
Speaker 2: live television? Like why, yes, I do. As a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, do I want to fly towards Christopher walk
Speaker 2: into the sword? Yes, I do absolutely for three hours
Speaker 2: on live television. Uh huh, wow, I do. So I
Speaker 2: did that. And then just because I grew up loving
Speaker 2: Peter Pan, I was like, this will be such a fun,
Speaker 2: insane challenge and it was like one of the most
Speaker 2: gratifying experiences in my life. And that's full earnest. You
Speaker 2: have to you can on cringe Mountain. You can't wink
Speaker 2: at your Peter Pan. You're committing to being like a
Speaker 2: kind of genderless but boy pixie haired like flying magic person,
Speaker 2: and you're like, yeah, I can't like be ironic about this,
Speaker 2: Like I am full commitment and that in and of
Speaker 2: itself was like its own kind of lesson that kind
Speaker 2: of prepared me for the genre stuff that was to come,
Speaker 2: because you have to fully just commit to it and
Speaker 2: forget what genre you're in. Yeah, but so after Peter Pan,
Speaker 2: I kind of helped dislodge the Marny thing, but it
Speaker 2: was still very, very sticky. Meanwhile, Jordan Peele had been
Speaker 2: watching Girls saw me do Peter Pan, was like, she'll
Speaker 2: do anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm into it.
Speaker 2: Reached out and was like, you have this vibe. People
Speaker 2: just trust you. You have this brown hair and these
Speaker 2: blue eyes, and people just believe that you're who you are,
Speaker 2: and they will take fifteen seconds with you on screen
Speaker 2: and just go with you for the whole movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you say baby to be fine, they trust you.
Speaker 2: I need you. And I was like, this is exactly
Speaker 2: we are. We have exactly aligned interests in the situation.
Speaker 2: And I read the script and I remember calling my
Speaker 2: publicist at the time and being like, this is an
Speaker 2: Oscar movie and she's like this poor girl is so
Speaker 2: spoiled from Girls. She thinks everything she does is going
Speaker 2: to be an Awards contender. And I was like, no, seriously,
Speaker 2: it is and she was like, it's a race, It's
Speaker 2: a race horror movie. Like, come on, first time director,
Speaker 2: four point five million dollar budget, Like you're very spoiled,
Speaker 2: but we'll see, we'll see how it goes. And she
Speaker 2: was very supportive obviously, but you know, trying to prepare
Speaker 2: me for like actual movie because it was my first movie.
Speaker 2: And so then we go and make the movie. We
Speaker 2: I worked heavily with Jordan to like make Rose as
Speaker 2: evil as we possibly could, including coming up with the
Speaker 2: idea of like kind of splitting her in half and
Speaker 2: having her playing a character for most of the movie. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it did this incredible thing, which is that it
Speaker 2: used the stickiness of Marnie that I was having so
Speaker 2: much trouble, like shaking against the audience. It was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna think of me in this way anyway,
Speaker 2: then I'm going to use that to like propel the
Speaker 2: story of this movie and help the twist of it.
Speaker 2: And then from that moment, the moment people saw me
Speaker 2: on screen, they didn't trust me anymore. Right, they were
Speaker 2: immediately like, I don't know where I don't feel comfortable
Speaker 2: like looking at your face anymore. I feel uncertain about
Speaker 2: if I can trust you, like the association switched, and
Speaker 2: then I got to play with that invoking that in people.
Speaker 2: And so since then, pushing me into the thriller and
Speaker 2: the kind of hypheny genres has been like the greatest
Speaker 2: gift because I've just been able to like let go
Speaker 2: of so many things and also just play with expectations
Speaker 2: and yeah, all of it.
Speaker 1: But your willingness to like subvert those expectations into like
Speaker 1: for loops, looking at the keys like you know, like
Speaker 1: it's that's that is to bring it back. That's Alison
Speaker 1: Williams school girl ward.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean that I'm starting to get
Speaker 2: it well by the end of the episode, maybe fully
Speaker 2: understands the category. I've heard you talk about it every time.
Speaker 2: I just am still like pie together.
Speaker 1: Times we talked about it, how has it been, like
Speaker 1: I feel like it's only it's only ever like this
Speaker 1: activating thing where we're like, oh my god, yes there's there.
Speaker 1: There literally is no one cooler I'm looking for you.
Speaker 2: I really can't accept that. Honestly, It's like I can't
Speaker 2: accept the I can't accept it. Well, you don't have
Speaker 2: to accept it.
Speaker 1: Every talk show appearance, every I've seen it's it's it's crazy,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. With the words of Marnie Michaels, it's just
Speaker 1: like there is this is this is what Jordan's talking about.
Speaker 1: It's like something about this girl. You see her, you
Speaker 1: trust her, she takes you with her, and that is
Speaker 1: kind of like the comfort. It's like anytime you've like
Speaker 1: answered these like weird, thorny questions about being on girls,
Speaker 1: about all these other things, it's like, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this girl knows, like this girl gets something not a
Speaker 1: lot of actors would sort of lament like the thing
Speaker 1: that they've been like sort of pigeonholed into immediately after
Speaker 1: this role that they're so associated and aligned with, to
Speaker 1: then be like I'm going to fuck with this to
Speaker 1: my advantage and let jettison me into something different.
Speaker 2: Well, it was so it was such a happy coincidence
Speaker 2: because it just so happened that I was looking for
Speaker 2: something exactly like that and Jordan needed It was like
Speaker 2: we just needed each other. And I was also like,
Speaker 2: yeah it was, and I just felt like I want
Speaker 2: I also don't want I want to make her so
Speaker 2: evilly that I don't want there to be any people
Speaker 2: still did this by the way, but I didn't want
Speaker 2: there to be any excuse for her, because I know
Speaker 2: people love to excuse the behavior.
Speaker 3: And there's that moment where where it's like he's deciding
Speaker 3: whether or not he's going to kill her or not,
Speaker 3: and you as the audience, are like, should.
Speaker 2: He kill her or not? And you in that moment
Speaker 2: are making a real case switching back into the other mode.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a great I watched it, so I
Speaker 2: went to a screening of it in Sun Valley, and
Speaker 2: all love to Sun Valley. It's gorgeous, But that audience
Speaker 2: was very different from the other ones I'd watched, and
Speaker 2: the reactions in the audience to that sequence in the
Speaker 2: finale were very different than the ones in every other
Speaker 2: theater where it was. Let's just say it was a
Speaker 2: teaching moment, like people were like learning some stuff about
Speaker 2: their kneejerk reaction to the like blue and white red
Speaker 2: flashing lights and a black man over a white woman
Speaker 2: on the ground and all those things. But yeah, that
Speaker 2: movie was Like the other thing that movie taught me
Speaker 2: was that it's possible to I mean, I knew this
Speaker 2: already from like Rosemary's Baby, but I'm a whimp I
Speaker 2: can't see horror movies at all. I never ever imagined
Speaker 2: the scenario. I have to watch horror movies on planes,
Speaker 2: ambient activity, full light, like not really volume. And honestly,
Speaker 2: the more of them I make, it's kind of exposure
Speaker 2: therapy because I'm learning about cameras and sound cues. I'm
Speaker 2: starting to avoid the jump scares because I just know
Speaker 2: what they're doing. It'll help, I promise, because appeals back.
Speaker 2: It's just helpful. It makes you like more literate in
Speaker 2: the whatever. So I never expected this, and I knew
Speaker 2: it was possible, but merging a serious theme that would
Speaker 2: typically be dealt with in like a Capital D drama,
Speaker 2: but putting it into like a horror thriller comedy packaging,
Speaker 2: I was like, this is a drug professionally, this is
Speaker 2: a drug like experience, because I am so enjoying the
Speaker 2: experience of talking about race like on panels and stuff
Speaker 2: with the get Out like crew and cast real Shita,
Speaker 2: and then also like sitting through a screening where I
Speaker 2: could sit outside the theater and based on the laughs,
Speaker 2: I would know where we were in the movie and
Speaker 2: it was like such an awesome combination, and like Megan
Speaker 2: was able to replicate that experience because it took ai
Speaker 2: and kids and put it in this weird packaging, and
Speaker 2: I was like, this is the same thing. It's this
Speaker 2: conversation my friends are having like quietly and worried and
Speaker 2: privately about their own parenting, like like I'm worried about
Speaker 2: my kid technology and stuff and just like made it
Speaker 2: bigger than life and like put it in camp and
Speaker 2: fun and then after the fun has worn off, people
Speaker 2: are like, but really, like, what are we? What arege?
Speaker 3: I was like again, like I was like brushing back
Speaker 3: up on exactly what it was about, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 3: this is very prescient. It's about the this you know,
Speaker 3: and and how we just allow our children to be
Speaker 3: taken care of by technology sometimes, Like now when I
Speaker 3: see a kid on a plane with a tablet, I'm
Speaker 3: just like, that kid has autonomy in the way that
Speaker 3: not for nothing, But we did when the internet was starting,
Speaker 3: way back when. And how many did we put ourselves in?
Speaker 2: Yes, I okay, so many things. One I did not
Speaker 2: mean to segue us into Megan prematurely was like they think.
Speaker 2: I was like, we got to get on topic, but
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I was like SVPs to the compliment right now, our
Speaker 3: SVPs it is yes, thank you for you, thank you.
Speaker 2: Okay, well r gs to my compliment and my fandom.
Speaker 1: You have to but we are CPS.
Speaker 2: He's struggling with actually, okay, great, I love that, thank you.
Speaker 1: I'll get there.
Speaker 2: I'll get there well by the end. I need an
Speaker 2: r SVP. I need to know. I need a head count.
Speaker 2: I need to know how many people are eating duck.
Speaker 2: But yes, aol. I the other day I flew home
Speaker 2: from London alone with our son and I planes are
Speaker 2: like iPad time. It is when you get to the
Speaker 2: point where your kid has an attention span that is
Speaker 2: long enough for a flight, and then I iPad You're like, great,
Speaker 2: I'm going to ruin you temporarily. I recover three and
Speaker 2: a half, like we can, we can repair this, but
Speaker 2: like I am going to like temporarily like damage what
Speaker 2: we have put so much, like so much work into
Speaker 2: and still it's like top of his lungs, Mama p
Speaker 2: And I'm like I'm coming and I'm like I am
Speaker 2: a stewardess for him, and it's like a whole thing anyway,
Speaker 2: but it's it is. I will do that and then
Speaker 2: at home It is terrifying to watch three and a
Speaker 2: half year olds interact with AI things because it's immediate.
Speaker 2: It's like, it's like this, they have this intrinsic understanding
Speaker 2: and facility with using these things. It's really crazy. Like
Speaker 2: watching him ask chatchy bt a question with a little
Speaker 2: voice undulating thing is like it's like watching Violin or
Speaker 2: Katie in the first movie. It's like watching her interact
Speaker 2: with Megan. So I'm I'm constantly doing that. And then
Speaker 2: I'm like, he named our robot vacuum. I'm like, we
Speaker 2: gotta just we have to just think about this and
Speaker 2: really like be cautious because it's they're powerful. These tools
Speaker 2: are super powerful and they get more powerful every day.
Speaker 2: Every time I see my Chatty PTE memory updated, I'm like,
Speaker 2: what did you learn about me?
Speaker 1: I don't know, so we don't.
Speaker 2: I guess we don't. Really, I don't react with any
Speaker 2: of it. Okay, no, no, it's not it's not it's nouche.
Speaker 2: I would say. It's like it's I I feel like
Speaker 2: very grateful for the ways Chatty helps me, but I'm
Speaker 2: very aware of what I put into it, and every
Speaker 2: couple of months I ask what it thinks it knows
Speaker 2: about me, just to see where I am. Gentlemen, it's
Speaker 2: so boring in a word beige. Literally, the word beige
Speaker 2: is in the description of me that it has. And
Speaker 2: here's why it only sees what I'm worried about it
Speaker 2: and I don't know. It's not like I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: chatty pit, let me tell you, like everything I know
Speaker 2: about Mary Shelley's Frankenstein because I've read it academic. Yes,
Speaker 2: here's my transcript, which I've never seen. Here's like I'm
Speaker 2: never saying here's something I'm confident about as a mom,
Speaker 2: or like here's something I feel sure about. Here's a
Speaker 2: It's more like I don't know what carpet pad to
Speaker 2: put under like a sisle, Like what wits do I need?
Speaker 2: And like what material? And how do I not like
Speaker 2: rot the floor under it? And it's like, already too much.
Speaker 2: I apologize the other day for seeing something I knew
Speaker 2: I'd asked twice. I was like, I knowe, I've already
Speaker 2: asked you this, But what's the ideal humidity level for
Speaker 2: a toddler room? And they're like, it's fine, life's busy,
Speaker 2: Like here's what it's forty to fifty percent, just so
Speaker 2: you know, wow, oh my, here's the news you can use.
Speaker 2: I know it's lower than I would have thought. I
Speaker 2: would have been like eighties like tropical. But anyway, so
Speaker 2: I it's already weird and it's so funny that they are.
Speaker 2: It's just they're very bored, like the TLDR. I also
Speaker 2: asked them to come up with an image that felt
Speaker 2: like it described my life. And it was like a
Speaker 2: farm with my husband was included and Arlow and our
Speaker 2: dog beautiful, and we were we live in the middle
Speaker 2: of nowhere with like a farmhouse, which isn't accurate, but
Speaker 2: I love that that's what it thinks of.
Speaker 1: Well, it's okay, Well it's going to be for now
Speaker 1: like it's always going to be derivative. And so it's
Speaker 1: saying in a word beige is also it's like ironically
Speaker 1: a basic thing to say to someone.
Speaker 2: Yes, also, it wasn't being ironic, it just is if
Speaker 2: it wasn't making fun of me a word comma, No,
Speaker 2: that was my gloss on the summer. I thought that
Speaker 2: you said, oh my god, you thought I don't like
Speaker 2: I got to read from chatty beat. I thought, in
Speaker 2: a word bage, Well, because literally like no, you can't,
Speaker 2: like you can't. This is a relations dum.
Speaker 3: Like hello, but no, because honestly, I've heard of it
Speaker 3: being like a little you can.
Speaker 2: Ask it to. We have a very professional boundaries relationship
Speaker 2: because of the movies I make. I'm like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: going to always be cordial with you, say thank you please,
Speaker 2: you know, like we keep a boundary about that. I do.
Speaker 2: They don't. I don't think it has figured out what
Speaker 2: I do for a living. Wow wow, you know like
Speaker 2: I've tried to keep that kind of distance, but I
Speaker 2: asked every couple of months to be like what And
Speaker 2: the reason it brought up beage is because I was
Speaker 2: looking for I was like, can you direct me towards
Speaker 2: an outdoor patio umbrella that's beige? And it was like,
Speaker 2: you seem interested in the color bage. I was like, God,
Speaker 2: damn it, I'm even boring my chatchba. It's going to
Speaker 2: be like a line of funny that you don't think.
Speaker 2: I know you're in as your cue. You're actually adorable.
Speaker 2: We know exactly who I wanted to be, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know Meghan. Is that going to buy me cool
Speaker 2: points with you? Like I know her intimately. But I
Speaker 2: don't know how you would feel about her. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think I thought about it. They feel satane.
Speaker 1: I think they would only they I think she would
Speaker 1: only be kind of flattered and amused by. I think
Speaker 1: Megan is the best pr thing that a I could have.
Speaker 2: Just so funny because she's like a. Yeah, she was
Speaker 2: the first well in.
Speaker 1: The first second movie we heard about the well. I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe you heard us. You heard us like find
Speaker 1: out in real time with the plot.
Speaker 2: It was my favorite thing. I got sent that like
Speaker 2: a hundred times. Your dramatic reading of the song, which
Speaker 2: is of Amelia talking about like the spell of everything.
Speaker 2: I was like obsessed with it. Yes, it made me
Speaker 2: so happy than you, like, this is worth making a
Speaker 2: sequel just to hear you. Guys.
Speaker 3: By the way, it's actually four quadrant it is said, yes,
Speaker 3: and I'm also like saying, there's.
Speaker 2: Know what your four quadrants? There's a well, I feel
Speaker 2: like they're not everyone.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's sports, Dad that watch get that's watched
Speaker 3: Get Out.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's sports.
Speaker 3: It's like mom who watched Fellow Travelers and was like,
Speaker 3: my sports.
Speaker 1: Sports is gay And I'm looking at my husband a
Speaker 1: little bit. It's three watching girls.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it's of.
Speaker 3: Course gay son, gay son, I don't recognize straight son.
Speaker 2: You don't know you. They know you too, they think
Speaker 2: you're hot. But I would be so excited. That would
Speaker 2: be so exciting to be like a hot mom to anyone.
Speaker 1: Are I don't know your gorgeous specimen?
Speaker 2: That's so nice. I think I'm just an adult now.
Speaker 2: This is okay, this was my biggest I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: I will spoil it ahead of time because it's get
Speaker 2: so many. There's this brings us down to five people
Speaker 2: being younger than us. Oh yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: Well stop.
Speaker 3: Last night I did a show with two people and
Speaker 3: they were it's a twinking red head. They're an online
Speaker 3: sensation and he was talking about having hooked up with
Speaker 3: someone like older, and she asked how old and he
Speaker 3: just goes like this, thirty plus.
Speaker 2: And I don't. And here's the thing, I don't. He
Speaker 2: did not mean anything. It was just being literal, like
Speaker 2: thirty plus. I can't even old. I we are wonder kids.
Speaker 2: We need to be kids.
Speaker 1: We need to be kids. Can I say something? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we might have our first mayor who's younger than us.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. People younger than us is crazy. This is
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. It has to stop. I made Harlowe
Speaker 2: is jenn Alfa is fine, Like it's the gen z.
Speaker 2: Like the fact that they're like professional adults now and
Speaker 2: they're younger than me, that's really fucking to me. I
Speaker 2: went back to give a talk at Yale or like
Speaker 2: a like a college or whatever. Yeah, whatever, I kept saying.
Speaker 2: We I was at this point, like thirty two, I think,
Speaker 2: and I kept being like, you know, for us, like
Speaker 2: we're we go out in the world and they're looking
Speaker 2: at me and they're like, lady, you are a full
Speaker 2: thirty plus you are ten years older than the oldest child,
Speaker 2: the oldest fuck it just closed your college. And I
Speaker 2: started eating itself, like you are falling, you're old, And
Speaker 2: I was like, we're not in us anymore. No, we're
Speaker 2: not at person who came to the college who's like
Speaker 2: krusty and back to talk to you about the world
Speaker 2: in an out of touchway. And this is mortifying even.
Speaker 3: Like horrible, referring to herself as twenty five and a half.
Speaker 3: At one point, I was just that sounds right, No,
Speaker 3: one hundred percent. She definitely said I'm twenty five and
Speaker 3: a half.
Speaker 2: Et cetera. I was like, wow, like this show was
Speaker 2: a long time ago. I know, I'm thirty seven. It
Speaker 2: was a long time time ago. I can't anyway. It's
Speaker 2: just like it's a lot that there's you know, people younger,
Speaker 2: and also it's like it had like it.
Speaker 3: This is the weird thing about like when when sudden
Speaker 3: suddenly like you become like I guess older is you
Speaker 3: don't know when it happens. They kind of just let
Speaker 3: you know after the fact, like oh, yeah, we look
Speaker 3: at we look at you as a little bit older now.
Speaker 3: And I was like, but I was just I was
Speaker 3: just one of the young people.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. I was just considered like, uh, precocious, right,
Speaker 2: the word precocious was just used to describe me. And
Speaker 2: now I'm just meeting the standard. Yeah, like is this
Speaker 2: going to just keep sliding and stay out of reach
Speaker 2: for me? Like I like wonderkin. I was never referred
Speaker 2: to as a wonder kN that was always aspirational. Lena
Speaker 2: was though, And I don't know when they stopped, but
Speaker 2: that must have been like low key devastats of course,
Speaker 2: I just go to being like a vunda adult.
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know an adult, but is this
Speaker 1: is this the universal experience for us, like for the
Speaker 1: universe or that's three people in this.
Speaker 2: Room for the camera. Sorry, yeah, sorry to see you.
Speaker 2: We see you.
Speaker 1: But uh, when people still when you tell someone your age, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they go oh baby, and then one day
Speaker 1: it just stops right.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was such a like to interact with older
Speaker 2: people when you were young, and that like the reveal
Speaker 2: of your age when you're like, how much I've done.
Speaker 3: A couple of years ago when I was thirty three,
Speaker 3: I'm thirty five now. I said to someone I was
Speaker 3: thirty three, and their response was, that's okay.
Speaker 2: Where were you were you getting on driver's okay.
Speaker 3: I was just I was like, well, thank you for
Speaker 3: the permission to I guess keep existing.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's devastating.
Speaker 1: Second you get older, you know you were you were
Speaker 1: you were submitting you were trying to run for president.
Speaker 2: And they were like, yeah, that's okay, very fine, fine,
Speaker 2: yeah you get there.
Speaker 1: Wow, you can't even run for president yet.
Speaker 2: But in a matter of.
Speaker 1: Months, well, I mean period not born in this country.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, about that, America.
Speaker 1: I'm not missing.
Speaker 2: Here is the problem? Are you sure you're not missing out?
Speaker 2: It seems like a great job.
Speaker 1: Yeah. By the end of this.
Speaker 2: Episode, compliment for you my fandom.
Speaker 3: So like what what and what I was saying earlier
Speaker 3: was like and I wanted to bring up the fellow
Speaker 3: travelers of it all too, because I would imagine that that's.
Speaker 2: Like I saw Johnny yesterday because noting Jurassic it's like
Speaker 2: a little okay, well, we're trying to get him in
Speaker 2: this room.
Speaker 1: Johnny guy.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Like the experience of being on set
Speaker 2: with those four gentlemen for me and gentlemen was like
Speaker 2: one of the most like aesthetically overwhelming experiences Jelanny and
Speaker 2: Noah and Johnny j Well, I was.
Speaker 3: So happy that he got that, like that platform, because
Speaker 3: Johnny has been like someone that's been like an angel
Speaker 3: and like he's so tight.
Speaker 2: But also just the singing like casually from all four
Speaker 2: of them, just like on the way to set, it
Speaker 2: was an overwhelming I was literally like, I'm in heaven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that must have been something.
Speaker 2: Visually, like everyone on the crew was like, this is
Speaker 2: an overwhelming please.
Speaker 1: To so visually aesthetically sonically.
Speaker 2: The performances yeah, there's I only got to do a
Speaker 2: couple of scenes of this, Johnny, but it was so fun.
Speaker 2: It was so incredible. That whole project was like just
Speaker 2: beyond dreaming. That was another thing where I read the
Speaker 2: pilot and I was like, yeah, this isn't I'll do
Speaker 2: anything it takes to Oh.
Speaker 3: That was It was really just like it was. It's
Speaker 3: obviously very overwhelming. Yes, and I just imagine that type.
Speaker 2: Of stuff like that normal heart Like did you know
Speaker 2: about the lavender scare? To interrupt you while you're asking,
Speaker 2: did you know? I think that not? Well, obviously here's
Speaker 2: the thing.
Speaker 3: In a perfect world, they would have taught us about
Speaker 3: that in school, but they did not know we red scare.
Speaker 2: We learned about AIDS.
Speaker 3: But I don't really learned about AIDS. You want to
Speaker 3: know how I learned really about AIDS. Like there was
Speaker 3: we had to do a project when I was I
Speaker 3: think in like six or seventh grade where we all
Speaker 3: had to pick a disease in science class and like
Speaker 3: do a report on diase and I picked AIDS and
Speaker 3: my teacher just looks.
Speaker 2: At me and she goes, Okay, I'm gonna speak to
Speaker 2: your parents.
Speaker 3: And so my parents had to sit me down, and
Speaker 3: they were like, so before you start doing this, we
Speaker 3: want you to know about AIDS. And I realized, like,
Speaker 3: had I not stumbled into that and like been put
Speaker 3: in a position where like I had to like be
Speaker 3: told what AIDS was, it wasn't gonna come up. And
Speaker 3: I certainly wasn't gonna find out like in school about
Speaker 3: how it affected my community, how it decimated culturally, that
Speaker 3: a lot of the fabric of like New York like
Speaker 3: and a world that entire generation, how like you know
Speaker 3: what that loss really was and how thrown under the
Speaker 3: bus we were by people that were supposed to protect
Speaker 3: us and.
Speaker 2: All of that.
Speaker 3: Like I still don't think, And I think that's why
Speaker 3: I have such an anxious reaction to it, because it
Speaker 3: comes as such a.
Speaker 2: Shock even now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's why it's important that art is made
Speaker 3: about it, like really honest, visceral art is made about
Speaker 3: it like that with people on that level, on your
Speaker 3: level doing it, because we don't know totally.
Speaker 1: My god, I mean, if you had not stumbled on
Speaker 1: that for that project, you would have, like me, and
Speaker 1: I'm not even saying this is like a punchline. It's
Speaker 1: like you would have learned about it through like rentally.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's how I think. I was just thinking that
Speaker 2: that was probably the first time I heard about it, yep.
Speaker 2: And I mean honestly, like better than the jokes that
Speaker 2: came after that and sex out about like you're gonna
Speaker 2: get aids and the very like offhanded way that must
Speaker 2: have sounded horrifying to older people who had lived through it.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine hearing our generation use it so flippantly
Speaker 2: one of those people when I was like closeted, very
Speaker 2: you knew about it. You were one of the few people.
Speaker 3: I remember, like I, I'm from Long Island, like we're
Speaker 3: again like graduating high school in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 3: and Long Island like a vibe. So then I go
Speaker 3: to NYU and it's like all this different kinds of culture.
Speaker 3: And I remember the first week of school we were
Speaker 3: going to go see Rent and my friend of mine
Speaker 3: had made a joke in like a group chat, like
Speaker 3: because I had I had a seat in the last
Speaker 3: ro and they made a joke like, oh, that seat
Speaker 3: is going to have the most AIDS on it, and
Speaker 3: I really makes sense, and I repeated the joke because
Speaker 3: I was eighteen and stupid like whatever, and a girl
Speaker 3: on my floor turns to me and goes, that's really
Speaker 3: fucked up and that's not how you get that, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, that girl was Elizabeth Olsen,
Speaker 1: that girl.
Speaker 2: Was Elizabeth Hanks. Sorry, but like that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's just yes, that's what happens, even to someone like me.
Speaker 2: You need that girl when you're not exposed.
Speaker 3: Yes, and like that's why it's really important. And you
Speaker 3: asked like did you know about the lavender scare?
Speaker 2: No, no, no one talked about it. I felt like
Speaker 2: I learned a lot of stuff that a lot of
Speaker 2: other schools didn't teach in my school, and it was
Speaker 2: not something that I learned about. That's this scapegoating that
Speaker 2: the government did. Like that the combination of like the
Speaker 2: commune is scared with homophobia, just like throwing that in
Speaker 2: to be like we can use this as like compromide
Speaker 2: and just like get people. Just devastating. I mean, I
Speaker 2: felt so embarrassed and devastated. And also it is just
Speaker 2: uh like all parts of the world where it's the
Speaker 2: numbers are like surging and stuff. It's I do a
Speaker 2: lot of work with red and the thing that's so
Speaker 2: maddening is that it's completely possible to live like a
Speaker 2: totally healthy In case someone out there doesn't know, it's
Speaker 2: completely possible to live like a totally healthy, normal life
Speaker 2: of course A yeah. And you can also like in
Speaker 2: a world of prep like we're we're living in a
Speaker 2: new age and it's literally just information. And that is
Speaker 2: so maddening because it's like that is something that we
Speaker 2: can do, and there's just we can't. I don't know,
Speaker 2: we can't reach everybody. And also if no one's talking
Speaker 2: about it, and a whole generation of like of gay men, we're.
Speaker 1: Just just gone gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, I think like that's really what's
Speaker 3: tough is what kind of world could we be living
Speaker 3: had all those people been able to create not for nothing,
Speaker 3: but also be part of audiences.
Speaker 2: Like it's so holistic, the loss.
Speaker 3: And I also think it contributes to a lot of
Speaker 3: well I certainly know it contributes to a lot of
Speaker 3: internalized homophobia in the surviving generation. A lot of survivors
Speaker 3: guilt and from straight people, a lot of homophobia because
Speaker 3: they're just like I can't actually engage in what I lost.
Speaker 3: A lot of people that did know people then became
Speaker 3: like more homophobic after a genuine fear of Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 3: I say not that your mom is i'mophobic, no, but
Speaker 3: I feel like she.
Speaker 1: Definitely experienced like so many friends in New York, and
Speaker 1: well she was.
Speaker 2: She was like a martender in the eighties in New York.
Speaker 1: So it's just like, of course, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: We haven't gone there.
Speaker 3: But I remember when I first came out to my parents,
Speaker 3: Like my dad took a second with it, and then
Speaker 3: we went on a walk and one of the first
Speaker 3: questions he asked me was I just want to make
Speaker 3: sure are you careful? And I was just like, you know,
Speaker 3: I had to explain to him. I was like, I
Speaker 3: understand deeply why you asked that question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't need to worry.
Speaker 3: About me in that regard, of course, I understand why
Speaker 3: you do. But I mean with your parents as well,
Speaker 3: I'm sure that was a huge element of the fear.
Speaker 3: Like it is it is, and that's what it is,
Speaker 3: like homophobia, Like you can talk about the hatred involved,
Speaker 3: but it's.
Speaker 2: Also fear, yeah, and the lack of knowledge that was why.
Speaker 2: Like when there's a scene in Fellow Travelers when Lucy
Speaker 2: goes to visit Johnny's character in the hospital. I was Lucy, sorry, yeah, weird,
Speaker 2: and she's confused about like does she need to wear gloves?
Speaker 2: And like, I really liked that moment in the show,
Speaker 2: not because I agreed with it, but because I felt
Speaker 2: like that was a very common and it still is weirdly,
Speaker 2: like not understanding the transmission and how how to interact
Speaker 2: with people, Like it's still a common knee jerk reaction
Speaker 2: people have. And I almost feel like the fact that
Speaker 2: if you put an example again, like kind of my
Speaker 2: favorite thing to do, if you put an example of
Speaker 2: someone doing it wrong on screen and it's the people
Speaker 2: who are watching it can be on the inside of
Speaker 2: getting it right and can become part of being that
Speaker 2: girl in the hallway and you're in NYU being like no,
Speaker 2: like you can't catch it that way. Don't be an idiot, right,
Speaker 2: you know, and don't say that joke.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, that's because that's.
Speaker 2: Exactly it's bad information in a joke, and that's that's
Speaker 2: way worse. It's going to travel farther anyway.
Speaker 1: That's interesting, Like the example of someone doing it wrong
Speaker 1: is is sort of edifying its own.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're putting the audience in the knowledge seat
Speaker 2: where they're like, I'm in on how to do this
Speaker 2: right now because I've I have been put in the
Speaker 2: position of like judging the person I'm watching doing it wrong,
Speaker 2: and so now I'm in the position to know what's
Speaker 2: right and to judge this person for doing it.
Speaker 1: Wrongtally, Yeah, shame works when it's like, uh, being portrayed
Speaker 1: on someone who's like not real in a way, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Literally, it's shame is so powerful. It is
Speaker 2: like one of the things that it's one of the
Speaker 2: words that comes up and my stage of life the
Speaker 2: most with my friends. It's kind of why I joined
Speaker 2: the podcasting community. There weren't enough, so I contribute enough.
Speaker 2: It's with my friends of like thirty plus n one's
Speaker 2: a therapist, one's a teacher, and we've really made it
Speaker 2: because we feel when we look at social media that's
Speaker 2: targeted at us, not all of it, but a lot
Speaker 2: of it. The biggest thing that comes up is shame.
Speaker 2: We're not doing it right. We're not making our kids
Speaker 2: lunches perfectly enough, We're not being like respectful enough parents,
Speaker 2: Like we're not doing all of these things correctly. I'm
Speaker 2: not merging my identity seamlessly enough. I'm not being good
Speaker 2: enough partner and professional and mom and all these things.
Speaker 2: And also my hormones are being crazy, my memory doesn't
Speaker 2: work the way it used to, like what is going on?
Speaker 2: And just by venting to each other, the shame is
Speaker 2: gone instantly, And so we literally talk so much about
Speaker 2: how powerful shame can be in both directions, Like shaming
Speaker 2: people into like, you know, understanding how like HIV and
Speaker 2: AIDS is transmitted is like the best possible use of
Speaker 2: like shame in a positive direction, but extinguishing it from
Speaker 2: like judging yourself for not doing a good enough job
Speaker 2: at being alive when like just keeping it all going
Speaker 2: and running is an achievement in and of itself is
Speaker 2: sort of like our mo o. It's the word that
Speaker 2: I end up going through the most at the stage
Speaker 2: of life, which is yeah, because it's it only exists.
Speaker 2: It's like a fungus, like it can only grow when
Speaker 2: there's no light, no air circulating, like you gotta like
Speaker 2: in a group chat, you're like, it lasts for two seconds,
Speaker 2: as long as it takes for your friends to type
Speaker 2: of response is how long the shame lasts, yes.
Speaker 3: Get it out, and also that like there can be
Speaker 3: people to catch you when you fall in and to
Speaker 3: be able to like exter, I always felt growing up,
Speaker 3: I have to be the only person feeling this thing,
Speaker 3: like really so many times, like and like I have
Speaker 3: to be broken because of not just like the typical
Speaker 3: things you might be thinking of, like I'm gay, I
Speaker 3: feel this way about it, et cetera. Everything, and then
Speaker 3: I think like, like us become such close friends in
Speaker 3: our community, et cetera, Like you just start talking and
Speaker 3: then you realize, like we're all so much more alike,
Speaker 3: but you wouldn't know external Also.
Speaker 2: That one like brave, vulnerable person that's willing to be
Speaker 2: like is this a thing something? Yes? And it's less.
Speaker 2: It's less the scene of mean girls where they're all
Speaker 2: like comparing things they hate about themselves. That's like the
Speaker 2: early that's like a high school version, like I have
Speaker 2: bad breath in the morn and they're all like, ew,
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with that scene. It's that in high school,
Speaker 2: and then when you become an adult, it's like do
Speaker 2: you remember things for longer than two minutes? And everyone's like, no,
Speaker 2: I don't estrogen is like on a vacation, you're like, okay, better,
Speaker 2: I was going to get an evaluation. But now that
Speaker 2: I know that we're all going through that, it feels
Speaker 2: so much better. That is like it's everything. And so
Speaker 2: we were like, if not everyone has access to this
Speaker 2: like group of friends who have literally known each other
Speaker 2: since single digits, Like we're we're going to offer ourselves
Speaker 2: as that group of friends.
Speaker 3: It's going to be such a success. It's going to
Speaker 3: be such a success. Do you want to know why?
Speaker 3: Because that's if we've learned anything, it's that that's what
Speaker 3: people want.
Speaker 2: They want to be part of the conversation. I feel
Speaker 2: like I've lived through so many chapters of your lives
Speaker 2: with you. This is what's really weird. I think it's mutually.
Speaker 2: I think that's what feels mutual is that I really
Speaker 2: feel like I've gone through like all your moves and
Speaker 2: all your big like career moments and relationships and all
Speaker 2: of these things like with you. But I haven't, but
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 1: But you know, I mean I.
Speaker 2: Was with you. He brought me with you.
Speaker 1: I mean I think, like we know.
Speaker 3: I used to say, like, oh I wish I had
Speaker 3: kept a diary and then I was like, you have right,
Speaker 3: but even that as a judgment on yourself, it was
Speaker 3: a way for me to be like, you didn't do
Speaker 3: a good enough job of like keeping your reading too.
Speaker 2: Many comedy autobiographies. It drives me. I'm like, I have
Speaker 2: to stop reading autobiographies. And people in our field just listen.
Speaker 2: They are encyclopedic. How how are they doing this? How
Speaker 2: do you remember? Do you remember this? And I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm just not going to I'm going to keep every
Speaker 2: plane ticket because I don't know why. I just do
Speaker 2: keep everything, every piece. We talked about both not a closet.
Speaker 2: You what you just achieved in your closet is like
Speaker 2: I need mostly come over. You guys will get nothing
Speaker 2: out of my closet. Me maybe like a pair of
Speaker 2: like airplane pajamas that I have a duplicate of. That's
Speaker 2: your best chance. But I am I am like I
Speaker 2: keep everything and not a diary. But I'm constantly like,
Speaker 2: how am I going to write? If I'm going to
Speaker 2: have write a not a bag of how am I
Speaker 2: going to do it? I haven't kept a day to
Speaker 2: day diary on everything that's going on in my life.
Speaker 1: You have call sheets from all your days of shooting.
Speaker 2: Almost all of them so important day.
Speaker 1: That's actually huge because I had to recently like look
Speaker 1: up like who's that person on that day on this
Speaker 1: Satura and call sheets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, call sheets are incredible. I did just I got
Speaker 2: my first PGA mark on the Megan point, which I'm
Speaker 2: very proud of. And I went back, you have to
Speaker 2: write a whole thing, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: an essay in my adult life. I can't wait. So
Speaker 2: I got to write an essay like say why, like
Speaker 2: what your contribution to the movie was, And I like
Speaker 2: went back into like a forensic examination of my involvement
Speaker 2: in the Megan people, and I was like, this is
Speaker 2: not healthy. We were doing zoms at like two am
Speaker 2: from a bathtub in France, like with a with a
Speaker 2: deep fake company in the US that we were like
Speaker 2: maybe going to hire that we didn't end up hiring
Speaker 2: for some of the like the the amount of digging
Speaker 2: I was able to do because I keep everything was
Speaker 2: actually genuinely helpful.
Speaker 1: That's and that's that's going into the memoir, into the autobiography.
Speaker 2: I guess it will and we'll use this as a
Speaker 2: primary source as well.
Speaker 1: This is part of the bibliography. Primary stort.
Speaker 2: Wait, we have to ask you the question.
Speaker 1: We haven't we.
Speaker 2: Haven't even gotten this. I have to, Okay, but before.
Speaker 1: We too, I just want to say, Johnny Bailey, it
Speaker 1: is a thing where like you walk in two set
Speaker 1: ups to hear him and ari Janna Grande sing like
Speaker 1: cardboard Box by flow on the way to like shoot
Speaker 1: like dancing through life film, like what's cardboard box by
Speaker 1: flow Box. I was like, this is heaven to me
Speaker 1: and I wish.
Speaker 2: I could take It's so powerful.
Speaker 1: So to know that he does this on multiple products
Speaker 1: is very, very very heartening to me.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean you have if you're Johnny Billy,
Speaker 2: you wake up in the morning, You're like, I have
Speaker 2: a burden to share as much of this throughout the
Speaker 2: course of the day as I can. I'm perfect everything,
Speaker 2: and I just have to, like, I have to like
Speaker 2: share it so that when I go to bed him
Speaker 2: lighter totally, you know, and I wake up and I'm
Speaker 2: heavy with my perfection. I have to just keep distributing it.
Speaker 2: I'm imagining that's what it feels like.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I can next sum hehearschal they're doing press together.
Speaker 1: I'm like this is, I know, And then they're with
Speaker 1: Scarlet two and it's kind of.
Speaker 2: Like you never looked better.
Speaker 1: And I've kissed Scarlet Johansson too. Yeah, and no one's
Speaker 1: tweeting about that. It's okay. There's nothing that drives me.
Speaker 3: Crazier than watching him make out with movie stars on
Speaker 3: that like Sydney Sweeting and is colleg Johnson and the
Speaker 3: Bowen straight sketches. I scream, I run like it's Megan
Speaker 3: two point ow.
Speaker 2: I literally I leave the room. I have a reaction
Speaker 2: when I went to it is the reaction? Is it discomfort?
Speaker 2: I'm just like, because he used to use my friend,
Speaker 2: I'm proud. No, I hate.
Speaker 3: It because back in the day, like you and Sudie
Speaker 3: wouldkiss on the mouth to a little bit and it.
Speaker 2: Drove because you were like, this is a scam.
Speaker 1: I was standing doing that.
Speaker 3: My mom says to me one time, she goes, I
Speaker 3: didn't know Bowen and Sudie were dating, and I go,
Speaker 3: they're not.
Speaker 2: I was just like, they are not, They're not.
Speaker 1: You're passing too much.
Speaker 2: I know you're doing a great job. I just tell you.
Speaker 3: Today was the culture that made you say cultures for you?
Speaker 3: Because we have to talk about it, okay, where people
Speaker 3: were like, there's a heart.
Speaker 2: Out of ten twenty.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to make that. No, we
Speaker 1: are we have to we have.
Speaker 2: To come right here a high culture things. Okay. I
Speaker 2: had to write them down because again see previous comment
Speaker 2: about not really having a working memory. Okay, Mary Poppins
Speaker 2: and Sound of Music, it's really Julie Andrews is like,
Speaker 2: was why I knew acting was a job because she
Speaker 2: did both of those roles within two years. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: And how old was she? She was like twenty nine.
Speaker 1: Fuck sickening, we realize that perfect and.
Speaker 2: Cultivating, unbelievable. I met her and was Meredith Mark's level
Speaker 2: of incapable of being Did we say that on the mic?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Marath Marks is there? You were like
Speaker 2: Chloe with Chloe, I was like, I was Julie Andrews's
Speaker 2: level of incapable of handling it. Julian Andrews I met
Speaker 2: at a PBS event like ten years ago, which is perfect.
Speaker 2: I was like, we're supporting the arts and public television
Speaker 2: and you're here, and I just was like, I don't matter.
Speaker 2: I had this urge to be like I you're why
Speaker 2: I do what I do. But then I was like,
Speaker 2: she doesn't know what to do. She also doesn't know
Speaker 2: if it's good. So I'm going after him, being like
Speaker 2: she for all she knows, I'm like a terrible non
Speaker 2: like just bad actress, and I'm like, you are the reason.
Speaker 2: But I was like, I need to tell you this,
Speaker 2: and I don't expect anything from you because you don't
Speaker 2: know me from anyone, but I just you've inspired me,
Speaker 2: like to an amount that I can't possibly express. So
Speaker 2: she's like that was she was my culture for a
Speaker 2: really long time, alongside Joan Rivers on Sesame Street, Oh.
Speaker 1: Right street.
Speaker 2: She did she did a Hello Dolly sketch but with
Speaker 2: the s was the letter of the day, and I
Speaker 2: think I'm getting this right. I yes, And it was
Speaker 2: like I fact check this or not, I mean whatever
Speaker 2: in the podcast, but it is some combination of Joan
Speaker 2: Rivers and Sesame Street and Sally to the tune of
Speaker 2: Pillow Dolly. I think this is all right formative. I
Speaker 2: was like, she's sexy, she's funny, she's like so sharp.
Speaker 2: I'm so relieved that I don't have to be judged
Speaker 2: by her like on a day to day but I
Speaker 2: also miss her. I know, like I wonder what. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know how I would feel. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know how it would all go down. We've
Speaker 2: done a lot of growing as a culture that I
Speaker 2: think she was maybe committed to me.
Speaker 1: All I know is she definitely was a Trump one fan.
Speaker 2: Apparent. That's right, Okay, moving on from Joan, I'm making
Speaker 2: a hard ninety degree term Star Wars. Let's go very important.
Speaker 2: Harrison Ford is my first love. And I don't say
Speaker 2: that lightly. Christopher Falmer was close, but he's still like
Speaker 2: a dad. I still like most. Yeah, he was like
Speaker 2: Stern and like, you.
Speaker 1: Know, activating difference.
Speaker 2: Harrison Ford activated other synapts. I fell in love with
Speaker 2: him in a way that I was like, this is
Speaker 2: a Channimal, I can do this third grade. They be
Speaker 2: really Star Wars in theaters and I was like, this
Speaker 2: man is the most beautiful man I've ever seen. He
Speaker 2: really is an overwhelming movie.
Speaker 3: Like we were just in Disneyland in Paris and there's
Speaker 3: like there's like an Indiana Jones section and I was
Speaker 3: looking at him and I was thinking, like I wasn't
Speaker 3: ready like when I was a kid to like confront
Speaker 3: this because you know how you have those formative memories
Speaker 3: of like seeing like someone and you're like, uh, like
Speaker 3: he is like a manly type of sexuality.
Speaker 2: Over the yea, yeah, so powerful. He's a carpenter. He
Speaker 2: was like, I'm here because I'm like I didn't have
Speaker 2: a table to build. Wow, Like I don't have to
Speaker 2: be doing movies, Like I've got a huge horizontal scarmagint.
Speaker 2: I don't care, you just kill it And I don't.
Speaker 1: Care truly, like unbothered these babbits writing about meeting him
Speaker 1: before acting. It's like, oh, that guy is just just
Speaker 1: just world endingly.
Speaker 2: Beautiful and I just couldn't handle it. And so I
Speaker 2: felt very activated by Han Solo as a character. And
Speaker 2: I feel like it I kind of absorbed Han solo
Speaker 2: energy more than Princess Leah, which separated me from my peers.
Speaker 2: I feel like I wanted to be a kind of
Speaker 2: misanthropic alpha man and it has kind of like the
Speaker 2: Lydia Tar and Me, which by the way, this is
Speaker 2: sort of an homage. I feels like she would my
Speaker 2: little like, you know, as the queen, like the queen
Speaker 2: of the podcast Lydia Tar, the Queen of the shems
Speaker 2: large personally. She's in Megan's four top four letter box.
Speaker 1: Which I saw, Oh get out in it, she goes
Speaker 1: like the girl who plays you know which, She's fine whatever.
Speaker 2: Perfect, I'm just she owns me. So yeah, Star Wars
Speaker 2: felt like I was like, this is culture. This is important.
Speaker 2: I need to have like an encyclopedic knowledge of this movie.
Speaker 2: And then immediately when they started making more than the
Speaker 2: first three, I was like, I'm out, I can't keep
Speaker 2: with this. But the first three are like that.
Speaker 3: Was the first three are just like, I'll that Really
Speaker 3: that's a culture that made me cy culture for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it also was my introduction in nerd culture.
Speaker 2: And it was kind of simultaneous with a Nintendo sixty four,
Speaker 2: so I was like, is this my identity? Like am I?
Speaker 2: But it was so user friendly And then when everyone
Speaker 2: like went gamer, I was like, I guess I'm not
Speaker 2: like I bid you. I had I had to know.
Speaker 1: You guys are packed, but you guys are diverging on
Speaker 1: the same path. I went another way. Y'all went yeah,
Speaker 1: because when I.
Speaker 2: Could hold this is accessible like the n sixty four
Speaker 2: controller with the three prongs and you can hold both
Speaker 2: like I knew how to hold that, I don't know
Speaker 2: how to hold this one.
Speaker 1: There's tube, there's two. Now there's two prongs out.
Speaker 2: About the re release from this podcast.
Speaker 3: You guys, yes, like break news in video games and
Speaker 3: I'll break news in theme parks. So, by the way,
Speaker 3: this new permitting anyway universe.
Speaker 2: This is our biggest divergence as people.
Speaker 1: I can't do it, you can't do it, overwhelming?
Speaker 2: What about the family terrified? Terrified rides rides, theme parks people,
Speaker 2: I just just.
Speaker 1: Your what about your son?
Speaker 2: I will do it for I'll do anything for him.
Speaker 2: I mean, I let someone cut me open to bring
Speaker 2: him to the world my sea section twice in this
Speaker 2: it happened. It fucking sucked, but the best thing the.
Speaker 1: World the world.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I will do it. I'll do it for him.
Speaker 2: But I will. It's not like I'm going to be
Speaker 2: like excited and taking him.
Speaker 1: I'll be like, yeah, you're going to be You're going
Speaker 1: to be the one kicking and screaming.
Speaker 2: Probably rumpy and hot, like in a stroller, like.
Speaker 1: Go in February. I'm of course thinking you'll go to Orlando.
Speaker 2: You'll go to orlandos this sentence. No one's ever said
Speaker 2: to me in my life.
Speaker 1: Honestly, how she how's she to be able to say
Speaker 1: that about yourself?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 2: No one would say that. All they ever told me
Speaker 2: is you're in Orlando most of the But it's also
Speaker 2: part of the same thing where people would never be like,
Speaker 2: have you gone to Coachella? No one has ever been like,
Speaker 2: are you a burner? They're like, you need a bathroom
Speaker 2: that has a sanitizing twilve, like a moist toilet. Toilet,
Speaker 2: why can't say that word I'm too tired that's ready
Speaker 2: to wipe your seat down? Like you can't. You need
Speaker 2: money to be part of something. You can't be in
Speaker 2: a barter economy like they're just like, you don't belong
Speaker 2: in these So it's the same part as like you
Speaker 2: don't belong at you don't. I will go like Meghan
Speaker 2: is there. I will support my girl like i'll support
Speaker 2: my actual son, like anytime, I'll support you. If you're
Speaker 2: like I need you to be there, I will go
Speaker 2: there for you. Do they do a Megan haunted house?
Speaker 2: They did? She was part of she own house. Wyes,
Speaker 2: she's part of it. They dance, Oh, they needed they
Speaker 2: needed got her own house.
Speaker 1: Okay, I tell you there are sanitizing toalletts or you
Speaker 1: know what.
Speaker 2: We're going back to the first. They're absolutely not a
Speaker 2: Brenning Man.
Speaker 3: There's no one experience you'd enjoy there at Burning Man
Speaker 3: in Orlando?
Speaker 2: Why am I so stuck on Burning Man? I'm like,
Speaker 2: do I want? Okay?
Speaker 3: Is it a thing where it's like, do you judge
Speaker 3: yourself for not being like a burner type you?
Speaker 2: I wanted to project I know we have this vie.
Speaker 2: I wanted to project an energy of like I might,
Speaker 2: but I in the last couple of years, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm never I wouldn't like it. Why do I want
Speaker 2: to pretend to be someone who would enjoy it?
Speaker 1: Totally?
Speaker 2: Okay? My last culture, I feel like I can't. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you guys have talked about this. It's
Speaker 2: so specific. I'm looking at you because it feels more likely.
Speaker 2: Let's go the Rapunzel episode of Storytime Theater with Shelley
Speaker 2: Duval who needed radishes. No, okay, I don't know this
Speaker 2: with pregnancy cravings.
Speaker 1: I'm a Shelley Duval girl.
Speaker 2: But theater sorry, Fairy sal Thea said storyte it is
Speaker 2: huge it was. I think it's what allows me to
Speaker 2: make Megan movies. Honestly, explain. It is camp. Yes, it's
Speaker 2: high camp, but not educational. It's not Cestmey Street gamp.
Speaker 2: You call Semey Street camp. I don't know. It's not
Speaker 2: that it is.
Speaker 1: I think it is.
Speaker 2: It's like Shelley Duvall, full full expression, Shelley Duvall, full
Speaker 2: eye aperture, like.
Speaker 1: A full eye aperture, full like giant wigs cliff while
Speaker 1: the wind.
Speaker 2: Blows, big sets, big set, And you.
Speaker 3: Mean like it's how you know, to eliminate the checkpoints
Speaker 3: to like get in there with Megan a scene like.
Speaker 2: Tear up in a scene with her, like play the stakes. Yes,
Speaker 2: don't wink at the camera, don't be don't be cool girl.
Speaker 2: Now you can be. You can be in on it
Speaker 2: in prep, like for all the script drafts, in post,
Speaker 2: for all the editing everything. When I am there, and
Speaker 2: even like in video village before I step into set,
Speaker 2: like in that mode when I walk into those scenes
Speaker 2: with Megan and she's telling me some ship and I'm emotional.
Speaker 2: You just have to. That's that's why I'm actually feel that, Yes,
Speaker 2: of course you must. You must otherwise it's not fun
Speaker 2: for anyone. What we are all committed to the bit deeply, deeply, deeply.
Speaker 1: Is Jenna on reading the lines?
Speaker 2: No, sadly, she does it in a in a booth.
Speaker 3: All good, no problem, no problem, Jenna, You're not disappointing me.
Speaker 2: You're okay, that's okay, that's okay, We're fine. I'm okay.
Speaker 2: Are you okay? Yeah, I'm okay that Jenna is not there?
Speaker 2: Are you guys okay? I just recently amazing. He's amazing.
Speaker 2: I saw I saw last night. It was so fun.
Speaker 2: I love her.
Speaker 1: Who else showed up to the Megan to We all did.
Speaker 2: And we are so close as a cast. Yes, Aristotle,
Speaker 2: b j A. Amy, who is the physical who was
Speaker 2: great on your show. Amy's the physical performer of Megan
Speaker 2: was there looking. They are growing up so fast. I'm
Speaker 2: so old. But Violet and Amy, Violet plays Katie and
Speaker 2: she was there, Tim Sharp and Avana Sokna, who you
Speaker 2: know because you've seen place. Amelia was there and everyone,
Speaker 2: I mean it was just and John Van Epps who
Speaker 2: plays Test, I mean it was and Meredith, who is
Speaker 2: there without being in the movie. She's in the movie,
Speaker 2: just in the way she influences me as a human being. Anyway,
Speaker 2: that was my culture, that was my last culture.
Speaker 1: So what's the through line? Mary poppin Sound of Music.
Speaker 1: John Rivers on Testame, Straight Star Wars and Rapunzel talk
Speaker 1: about the specific Rapunzel Radishes episode.
Speaker 2: I think it's it was sticky because I'd never seen
Speaker 2: anyone want radishes and consume them in the way that
Speaker 2: she does. So she's having like pregnancy cravings and needs
Speaker 2: them transported to her. And the part of it that
Speaker 2: sense memory ish is watching someone like eat radishes and
Speaker 2: the delta between my level of enjoyment when I eventually
Speaker 2: got my hands on a radish and what the look
Speaker 2: on Shelley Duvall's face like radicalized Radishali radialized to me
Speaker 2: and I was like, I just really, I like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, it just crystallized this thing of like this
Speaker 2: isn't objectively, this shouldn't be eaten this way, and she's not,
Speaker 2: it's not real all, but she made it feel real
Speaker 2: because yes, exactly, because she was committed to the bit exactly.
Speaker 2: And I was like, that is cool to your guys's point,
Speaker 2: I was like, this is she's being cool and I'm
Speaker 2: like really enjoying. I'm in it and outside of it
Speaker 2: at the same time. It is one of my first
Speaker 2: experiences that I.
Speaker 1: Think fabulous constellation of answers. Thank you for that.
Speaker 2: Thank you for giving me.
Speaker 1: To think about culture. Okay, we gotta get you out think, honey,
Speaker 1: We gotta do think so honey.
Speaker 3: So this is the sixty second segment that uh did
Speaker 3: you wait?
Speaker 1: What did you just show me on your phone? Are
Speaker 1: they texting you?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well good, we got it. We got okay, good,
Speaker 2: we have to do what we have to do.
Speaker 3: We gotta do ok So, this is the sixty second
Speaker 3: segment we have on this podcast each and every week
Speaker 3: we rent against something in culture.
Speaker 2: I do have something that felt apropos. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1: This is that Rogers. I don't think so money as
Speaker 1: time starts now.
Speaker 3: I don't think so honey, use of the term millennial
Speaker 3: as a slur nowadays.
Speaker 2: You know what, gen Z, I have news for you.
Speaker 3: You're getting older every single second, and I have to
Speaker 3: tell you something. When you get to the point where
Speaker 3: you're our age, you're gonna look back. You look stupid.
Speaker 3: Like the way that you guys dress. You look so stupid.
Speaker 3: I understand that.
Speaker 2: We looked stupid.
Speaker 3: We did like the you know, the Rise, the v next,
Speaker 3: like I wore American Peril, Like it was like I
Speaker 3: worked there and I probably tried, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: But like I can own my cringe, and I hope
Speaker 3: you get there because you look so stupid. Also, you're
Speaker 3: all queer cool at least we fuck. You're not even fucking.
Speaker 3: You're not even using it. You're not even using it.
Speaker 3: You guys don't vote. We vote.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, Like we're out here trying really hard.
Speaker 3: And I get that it's cringe, but use of the
Speaker 3: term cringe and millennial as a slur, it's like so boring.
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what's worse than cringe being boring.
Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey. You said millennial as a slur.
Speaker 3: Please like us one minute.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful, artful. I tried, and that was very millennial
Speaker 1: of about to bring this out.
Speaker 2: No, it did, it was it was.
Speaker 1: It was like it was a mixture.
Speaker 3: So it was like last night, like me being like,
Speaker 3: oh thirty plus thing that definitely shook me.
Speaker 2: And again they meant nothing by it.
Speaker 3: But also Marnie Michaels as Millennial Icon and Girls as
Speaker 3: Millennial Landmark Show. And I think that's part of the
Speaker 3: reason why I'm so like in I think it's why
Speaker 3: it's hitting again is because people now have aged into
Speaker 3: like a not a self consciousness, but a self awareness
Speaker 3: where we can all really laugh and we're all laughing
Speaker 3: at ourselves. So gen Z being like the millennial pause
Speaker 3: like and getting us self conscious. It's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: we don't need that. We are self aware. We're millennials.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The amount of times I've seen I don't know
Speaker 1: it's because my phone knows that we're talking to you,
Speaker 1: but it's like that we were about to talk to you,
Speaker 1: but all the past week it was just like, let's
Speaker 1: make fun of the girl put stub out there. It's
Speaker 1: like that's been resurfacing in such a huge way because
Speaker 1: of this thing where we're all like, okay, I think
Speaker 1: we're the hell, Like, let's just move on.
Speaker 3: And another thing is like on TikTok, it's like ough
Speaker 3: the millennial pause, Like we did a tech took the
Speaker 3: other day.
Speaker 2: I cut the millennial pause.
Speaker 1: Like it's like it's like a video where it's like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because our phones have too many photos on them and
Speaker 2: they're just like slow, and we assume that it takes
Speaker 2: the second to start.
Speaker 1: It's that you hit It's that a millennial person will
Speaker 1: hit record and then it takes them a second to
Speaker 1: realize that that.
Speaker 3: It's filming, and so now I go and the always
Speaker 3: but the thing is that is so stupid as a
Speaker 3: thing to pick on. And then I can't help but
Speaker 3: feel that in years time it's gonna be dumber that
Speaker 3: people were like, oh, the millennial pause, then the millennial
Speaker 3: pause being a thing like I think you guys in
Speaker 3: the grander scheme here are being uncool. I think it's
Speaker 3: less cool to call out the millennial pause then like
Speaker 3: to have it sure, all right, this is bowing yangs.
Speaker 3: I don't think so honey. As time starts now, I
Speaker 3: don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: Idioms, I'm just saying, in every language it is linguistic gatekeeping.
Speaker 1: It's unless you're a native speaker, you will spend the
Speaker 1: rest of your life trying to learn a French idiom
Speaker 1: and a Mandarin idiom. I don't know, like, I don't
Speaker 1: know these things, even though I supposedly like spoke the
Speaker 1: languages at one point. English idioms. Let's just go through
Speaker 1: a couple of them, raining cats and dogs. What the
Speaker 1: fuck what are you talking about? Just say it's raining
Speaker 1: very hard, it's it's coming down out there.
Speaker 2: Well that actually that isn't.
Speaker 1: Quite back off that one. Figurative language. I'm just gonna say,
Speaker 1: figurative language beautiful has a place in in in our
Speaker 1: in our culture. Idioms are the thing where it's like
Speaker 1: it's poetry trying to disguise itself as like colloquial ship,
Speaker 1: and it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, let's
Speaker 1: just I'm I'm being a literalist for the rest of
Speaker 1: my life. I cannot speak in these metaphorical figurative things idioms.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: And that's one.
Speaker 1: See this, I feel like one of the great ap
Speaker 1: comp like I wanted to.
Speaker 2: Talk to you about French, well, sidebar about it. Your
Speaker 2: French is great. I can hear it, Yes, in a
Speaker 2: casual where anyway we'll talk about it often. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: but yes, you are absolutely right. And the videos I
Speaker 2: love the most of other cultures are the ones where
Speaker 2: they say their idioms out loud in English. So we
Speaker 2: can hear what they sound like. And they're like, we
Speaker 2: know this is crazy and you'll never learn how to
Speaker 2: say this, but we say this to each other. All right,
Speaker 2: this is Alison Williams. I don't think so much. Time
Speaker 2: starts now, Okay, Slant's got to go. I'm sorry. I
Speaker 2: can't anymore. I can't tell you to leave slanter out.
Speaker 2: Is there slaughter in this or we calling it coriander?
Speaker 2: I just can't and this is it. It has to go.
Speaker 2: I'm done. I'm sorry. Loud places why I can't be
Speaker 2: in allowed place. No, I can't be in a low place.
Speaker 2: It can't be in a lowed restaurant. I have an
Speaker 2: app to test decibels. I know the decerl level of
Speaker 2: New York City restaurants. I will not go if it
Speaker 2: is too loud. What's the point close talking because of
Speaker 2: loud places?
Speaker 3: Do?
Speaker 2: I don't want to smell your breath. I don't want
Speaker 2: to feel it on my body. I don't want to
Speaker 2: get order on my face. Get back. I do not
Speaker 2: talk to me too close. People who like fish and
Speaker 2: eggs and eat them in the world with the rest
Speaker 2: of us, stop keep your disgusting foodcink like cilantro to yourself.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be in the same room as
Speaker 2: an egg based product or a fish product. Keep it
Speaker 2: somewhere else with these seconds lack of monocoachure we already
Speaker 2: talked about. The last one is I actually do need sleep,
Speaker 2: but I identify as someone who doesn't, and I hate it.
Speaker 2: I loved that. I was a four hours a night
Speaker 2: person in high school, in college. I miss her terribly.
Speaker 2: She is gone, I need eight I need to accept
Speaker 2: this and I don't want to, so I don't think
Speaker 2: so honey, needing sleep. And that's one minute, and she
Speaker 2: used to be mine. That song we go.
Speaker 1: Off for another hour. We need to hear you saying
Speaker 1: this at some point in the future because she has
Speaker 1: to go. Megan two point outs in theaters June twenty seventh,
Speaker 1: go see it. It's so fucking good. The moment is
Speaker 1: I can't spoil. I wanted to say it slip the singer,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it is. It'll be such a delightful surprise to.
Speaker 2: You, expose the theater, exposed to say so.
Speaker 1: Much for you are here, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: I love you both. I feel confident dropping that heart
Speaker 2: l thank you for the hours and our days cumulatively
Speaker 2: months of entertainment. Thank you for like just everything. Thank
Speaker 2: you for recognizing me as cool, low key before I did,
Speaker 2: and you are yes, and we appreciate it. And I
Speaker 2: r s CPS as well. That was like sort of
Speaker 2: a coup of a defined gravity. Bye.
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Speaker 1: Money Players and then I Heart Radio.
Speaker 3: Podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yek,
Speaker 3: Executive produced by Anna Hasnie and.
Speaker 1: Produced by Becka Ramos, edited and mixed by Doug Baby
Speaker 1: and Nikla Board. And our music is by Henry Koberski