WEBVTT - Ep. 14: Casey Butler 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:05.400 Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Hunting Collective. I've been O'Brien 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:09.719 and after a long break, we're back episode number fourteen, 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:14.480 and we're joined by none other than Casey Butler. Casey 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:18.360 is the founder of get Hushing. It's a YouTube channel 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:23.000 content house that he and his buddies Brian and Eric 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:27.120 run out of Utah and Idaho, respectively. They travel around 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:30.400 the world, or at least around the country, and they 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:33.840 hunt and they fish. They document it and semi live 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.360 and sometimes in real time. And what makes these guys different, 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:40.959 what makes Casey's content different is that it's unapologetic. It's 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:44.360 not edited. It is what it is. It shows hits 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:48.320 mrs good times, bad times, and it is really the 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:52.520 entire story of Casey, Rick and Brian, and they're hunting 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:56.760 and fishing careers and lives. I've known these guys for 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:59.000 a couple of years now and support what they do, 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:01.880 and they're just doing something different in the hunting game, 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:04.160 and I really appreciate that. On the top of that, 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:06.720 Casey is just a good guy. I think when we 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:09.440 hang out in hunting camps, we never stopped laughing, never 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:14.440 stopped joking, never stopped just having a ball, so he 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:18.520 joined me this last week in Sonora, Texas for an 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:22.360 access to your hunt that was unreal and a lot 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:25.400 of memories made, a lot of deer hit the ground, 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.440 and just a lot a lot of action for a 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:32.080 short three day hunt out in the heat of West 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:36.280 Texas in June. So hopefully you enjoy our conversation. I 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:38.880 think this one got a little bit deep this one. 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:41.120 Casey was willing to open up on some things and 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:43.800 we were able to talk through some of the issues 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.760 with with life and death and hunting. So serious as 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:50.480 that sounds, I think it was a great conversation, So 0:01:50.480 --> 0:02:12.480 hopefully you enjoy it. Episode number fourteen, Casey Butler, Hey buddy, 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:18.000 Hey buddy, how you doing pretty get their pal um? 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:21.240 How do you like Texas? How do I like Texas? 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.200 I love the state of Texas, I love the I 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:31.760 love I love Texas. I have some qualms about about Texas, 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.960 but as a whole, I've absolutely enjoyed myself every time 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:39.440 I've been down here. Mm hmmm, I feel like you're 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.560 not telling the truth. Like I said, I have some qualms. 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:46.480 Let's go over all the nice things that you've done 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:49.240 in Texas are not That's not as interesting as the 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:54.760 hardships you faced here. We're in Sonora, Texas. By the way. Senora, 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:58.760 Texas is west pretty much straight west of Austin, Texas, 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:03.240 about three hours. I want to drive that. We're here 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.440 on the ranch called the Canyon Ranch. The Canyon Ranch 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:10.600 is acres. Part of it is high fence. The part 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.919 we hunted is about ten thousand acres of fair chase, 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:19.680 free range, low fence, exotics, white tails, turkeys, everything you 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:24.560 can think of, so big, big oak flats and mesquite 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:30.640 flats and cacti, lots of cacti, a few water holes, 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:34.240 a lot of dry dirt, pretty arid this time of year. 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.520 It's been pretty regularly a hundred five degrees since we've 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:41.240 been here. And um, all those things and in this 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:47.000 environment combined create something that was a little bit gnarly, 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:51.040 very gnarly. You just want me to dive into this. 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.440 I just want you to, like this, explain that what's 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:57.360 going on right now in your body? I am very 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:01.160 uncomfortable in my skin right now. Is I get the 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:05.400 best way I can put it, I've I just can't 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.560 get comfortable. I just got out of the shower literally 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.880 ten minutes ago and that was nice, But at the 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:16.479 same time, I'm itching from head to toe. H I 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:20.080 have some concerns about some lasting bites that I got 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:26.440 while I was down here. Yeah, um, little little sunburnt, 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:28.480 you know, the sun, just being out in the sun. 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:30.960 I lived in Arizona for a few years when I 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:34.800 was a kid. Phoenix. What I remember about Phoenix when 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:37.280 I moved then moved to Idaho, and that's kind of 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:39.600 where I grew up. Mostly where I grew up was 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:43.440 when when it's hot in Idaho in the summer, the 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:48.359 wind blows and it's like, oh, that's nice breeze in Phoenix, 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:50.920 and I feel like down here when the wind blows 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:53.919 and it's hot, it's just a hot air blowing in 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:58.160 your face. It's it's not refreshing. It's like Ryan Callahan 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.200 compared it to just a blow driver and you're face 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:04.440 all day long. And that's how it is. So it 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:06.200 takes it out of you just being out in the sun. 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.800 I mean, we did maybe what five miles of hiking, 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.400 Maybe maybe we walked around a little bit more than 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:17.120 the normal sit over water holes. I would say, hashtag 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:19.479 we got after it, We got after it? Is that 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.240 a hashtag? Now it is. Now it is. Yeah, that's 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.520 we don't have a hashtag here the hunting Collective. I 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:29.240 got to pick one up. Yeah, it's well, throw it 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:31.560 around for a while. Yeah, let's don't jump into it 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:34.480 and be like that's fine, but let's slave and all right. Well, yeah, 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.360 we we found out or or some of us knew 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:41.240 that there is a tick specifically called the lone star tick. 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.279 And it's a small ticks, not as small as a 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:49.080 deer tick or some of the smaller of this insect. 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.919 But it's I would say a midsized tick for what 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.040 I've seen, and it's got a white dot on its back. 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:59.159 But it carries a virus of some sorts. I have 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:00.800 to look at what the look this up and get 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:02.919 some more detail on it, or somebody can write in 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:07.120 and tell us what's really going on. But it's like 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:15.640 a letter, like a letter, right, if it's a virus alone, 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:19.760 start tick carries right in PO box. Sent it the 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:25.559 p O box. Address it to Mr dearest, Mr O'Brien. Yes, please, 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.920 I'd like you to write with an ink quill sorry, 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:32.039 type in, type in, finger in. I don't know what 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.760 with your fingers. You type with your fingers. Yeah, uh, 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:44.600 we're way off tractive count for five minutes. And what 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.200 are we talking about? The lone start tick it um 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.040 when it bites you, uh and injects some sort of 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:54.640 protein into your bloodstream, and that protein then calls you 0:06:54.839 --> 0:07:02.160 to it creates an allergy two red meat? Is that? 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.200 Does that not sound like the worst possible thing that 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.000 could I mean, let me step back. It's not the 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.000 worst possible thing that could happen to you as a 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:16.000 human being, but it's pretty darn close. I mean in 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:21.240 all irony, like if you're you're hunting for red meat 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.280 and you get a bit by a tick that carries 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.360 that possibly there's the they're telling us here it's one 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:30.840 in a billion. Yeah, those are odds. What's all that 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:35.160 one of a billion talk? I don't that's too too 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.640 much for me. Well, yeah, so zero in a billion 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:39.520 would be about what I well put it, put it 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:43.040 in a reverse way, like what's the chances of winning 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:47.360 the lottery? One in a billion? Who I don't play 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:51.680 the lottery because that's like way out there. But when 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:53.960 it's can be a negative thing against you, one in 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.880 a billion sounds like, you know, like the phrase so 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.560 you're saying there's a chance. Well, that's the thing is 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:01.600 the outfits told us. He's like, oh yeah, it's like 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:05.040 one in every one billion ticks has it. Yeah. So 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.120 my buddy was out here last year and uh, got it, 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:12.080 got it, got it. And I'm like, so you're telling 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:16.400 people didn't come here and he just got it. It's 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:19.760 not one in a billions lying. I don't know. It 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.680 scares me because let's go back to thinking about this. 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:28.240 We are out here hunting, doing something we love and 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:32.120 in hopes that we we kill a deer and we 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:36.160 can take it home, because a big reason for hunting 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.319 access deer down here for me right now is because 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:41.880 they're the most It's some of the most delicious meat 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:46.480 I've ever had. And so you're down here to do that, 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:50.800 and then you can contract something that would end all 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:56.720 of that. Is it worth it? Wow? What is reading 0:08:56.760 --> 0:09:00.439 about this? Now? You're reading somebody? Did somebody phone in? Yeah? 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:06.280 Somebody do alive. Since this isn't live, you have to 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:11.199 call me later, but later text out yeah, or you 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:14.280 could tweet out or instagram I could do that. We're 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.079 doing a podcast about this. We want to hear from you, 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:22.200 and then millions of people, millions of people listening to this, right, Yeah, 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:26.920 millions of millions of people. Yeah, millions of downloads. So 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:30.080 USA today is a story. Lone star tick bites can 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:35.760 cause rare meat allergy and some people. Oh, if you 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.320 spot a tick, grab the tweezers. That's what it says. 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.720 Read that. Read that first line again. He says it could. 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:46.360 It can cause a meat allergy and some people. So 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.960 that's not telling me that like one in a million 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.960 of these ticks has it. That's saying like, if you're 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:55.120 the right person and get one of these ticks on 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:57.640 you and embedding you, you could have it. Is that 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:59.800 how you read it? That? Sorry? Read it? This is 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:03.439 it's I was sugar called alpha gal wishes present and 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:08.880 mammalian meat triggers the allergic reaction once you're bitten by 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:14.000 this tick. Unbelievable, he said. Doctor's first notice a strange reaction, 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:17.560 which is sometimes called alpha gal syndrome a little over 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:20.000 a decade ago, and we're able to slowly piece together 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:22.640 that those who developed the meat allergy had one thing 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:30.280 in common. Lone star tick bites. Unbelievable. Here's a like, 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:34.040 look at that close up picture of it. Oh, my gosh, 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:37.000 we've seen a few of those. Now I've got I 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:40.280 got bit by a lone star tick yesterday. It looks 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.160 like it has a birthday cake on its back, which 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:46.040 would be does that look like a birthday cake? A 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.800 little bit? Um? Yeah, Like, can we go into the 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:56.400 story now? Yeah? Please? Ben bless his sweet little heart 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.720 invited me and Ryan Callahan from First Light down here 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.080 to do this hunt kind of a last minute scene, 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:04.040 and I was I jumped at the chance. Like I said, 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:08.160 I've had access meat before and it is, you know, 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:12.120 probably my favorite meat I've ever had, my favorite red meat. 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.360 So I was like, sweet, we can shoot a dough, 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.679 we can shoot a buck anyway we come down here. 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.679 And he didn't even tell me about it the first day. 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:24.120 It was like one of those oh, by the way, 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.400 because after our first day hunting, which was an absolute blast, 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.120 by the way, yes it was we Uh was it? 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.280 I think you had a tick on you And I 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:34.160 was like, oh, there's ticks down here, and oh yeah, 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:37.280 lots of them. Be careful. I was like, oh, yeah, 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:39.600 I never really get ticks like I've seen him. I've 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:41.440 been out bear hunting in turkey hunting in the spring 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:43.600 in Idaho and Montana, and I've seen him, but I've 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:47.640 actually never had one in bed in me. Well, Benny 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:49.760 found one on him and then he told told me 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:54.480 about the possible the lone star tick. Yeah, allergic reaction, 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:58.120 this this tick could cause, but not. I went to 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:00.360 sleep and woke up, went hunting the next day, came 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.400 back with a long star tick in my leg. Well 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.480 remember when we were it was while we were eating dinner. 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.439 You you picked one off your neck, and I was 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:11.120 and I was kind of tripping out about it a 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:13.600 little bit. I still, why wouldn't you trip It's it's 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.920 a trippy premise, even if even if it's a rare, 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:21.559 Like everything says rare may cause some people. It's all 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:26.679 as you know, language that is saying that that it 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:30.480 rarely happens, but it happens. It's out of doubt, without 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:32.679 a doubt, it happened here at this branch. This is 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.959 something we found that later on. Um. But ticks, I 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:37.920 mean last year I was hunning North they here about 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:39.199 an hour and a half. I got some kind of 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:43.040 tickborn illness from getting bit, and uh I was down 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:46.200 for two weeks. My my dad has lime disease. From 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.920 a tick bite. And yet here we are, here we are, 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:53.840 and you came into this unwittingly. I feel like I've 0:12:53.880 --> 0:13:00.640 been to Texas before, and I've hunted Texas before. Are 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:04.640 the ticks less prominent in like January? Yes? Yes, so 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:08.120 we hunted. We brought our dads down here in January 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.240 of last year or two thousand seventeen or eight sixteen, anyway, 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.839 and hunted a ranch. And it was January is a 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:16.800 lot colder than it is now. And I don't remember 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:20.839 seeing ticks. I don't remember talking about ticks, uh, but 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.199 they're definitely here on this ranch. And well, so the 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.640 story goes has been picked, went off, and I'm sitting 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:29.400 there just telling him and Ryan like telling Ryan and 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:31.760 Ben like, you know, is it kind of one of 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:35.079 those things that like just ticks don't like certain people, like, 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:37.360 you know, like they don't like their blood? I know, 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:39.600 like people say that about mosquitoes, Like I have mosquitoes, 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.280 don't really bother me, don't really bite me. You know, 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.559 my my brother could be right next to me and 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:46.800 he'll get lit up by mosquitoes and I don't for it. 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:48.800 So I was kind of thinking in my head, or 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:52.400 maybe I was trying to imagine this is how it worked, 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:54.120 and I was like, yeah, you know, to be honest, 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.160 I don't think I've ever found a tick and betteded me. 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:58.680 I've seen him crawling on me, you know, I found 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:00.599 him on my clothes, but I've never had when I 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.520 bed in me and so maybe it's one of those things. 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:06.880 And it was literally two minutes later. I went to 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:10.880 cross my arms and rymes like, like, what he's like 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:14.599 looking down at your elbow? Freaking alone? Start tick embedded 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:22.440 in my forearm YEP, people can tell us are we 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:28.600 are we being We'll see's about this? Are we not 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:32.280 tough enough? Ah? Are one of our guides? And then 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.000 outfit are here? Said, I've gotten bit of our hundreds 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:36.840 of lone star chicks I've lived in my entire life. 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.560 Nothing has ever happened like me too. Man. I got 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:42.640 that one viral infection last year. The last couple of 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:47.320 weeks I was sick. I was fine. Ah, but I 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:48.920 know a lot of people that have a lot of 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:53.200 problems because of these types of things. And we're vigilant. 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.160 We were deep most of the time. We sprayed with 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:59.600 some off in different type of sprays and uh, We're 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.240 pretty is not to be laying in the tall grass ever. 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:06.040 But uh, I think we came down You probably came 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:09.600 down here fear full of rattlesnake without a doubt and 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:15.560 laughed fearful of the tick. To be a honest right now, 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:19.280 like yeah, like long term, I'm glad I didn't get 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:22.200 bit by rattlesnake. I'm terrified of of rattlesnake. I'm not 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:26.080 terrified of all snakes. There's a big missue conception out there. 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:30.320 People think I'm terrified of all snakes. I'm terrified of 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.320 getting bit by rattlesnake just because of what I can do. 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:37.000 Yes same with this tick, Like this is what I 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:40.760 was thinking about yesterday, was Texas is a wild place. 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:42.560 Like we go on a lot of different hunts, and 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.680 most of we do Western big game haunts and typically 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:50.840 there you know, do yourself haunts on public land, and 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:52.840 there's a lot of challenges that come to those right 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.840 dome with those and especially been you you know, you've 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:57.960 been all over the world on hunts, and every hunt 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:02.040 comes with a different challenge. Sometimes it's a physical challenge, 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:06.080 climbing mountains to kill a stone sheep, or maybe it's 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:09.000 a mental challenge. You just have to like stay in 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:10.960 the game long enough and it can happen. Like we've 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:13.760 all been on those hunts. Texas is no different. Like 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:18.760 even though this is a a giant ranch and there's 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.200 a ton of animals on it and it's not where 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:23.760 we like Ben said, where we hunted was not the 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:27.400 high fence section, there's still a ton of animals on it, 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:32.720 and high fence would I mean the number of animals 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:37.240 here you feel you don't feel like you know what's 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.560 what was interesting me in quickly, you know, we quickly 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:41.920 put this hunt together. And I was thinking about having 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.720 you and call out here is like where you're, where 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.480 you live, you'd be lucky to see the here once. 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:49.640 Are you lucky? You go out scout or go out 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.800 hunt and have a few encounters in a day, you know, 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.440 half a dozen would be a great day. Here, we 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.920 can have half a dozen in an hour easily, easily. 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:03.800 And so it does want it a couple of things. 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:05.520 It keeps you in the action. It keeps you in 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:07.200 the hunt, keeps you wanting to be out there, which 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.080 not to other hunts don't do that, but this really does. 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.919 And it sharpens your ability to stalk, it sharpet your 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:17.520 ability to shoot, to know when to shoot it. Everything 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.159 about bow hunting is repetition to get good at it. 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:22.720 And I find these hunts, these types of hunts are 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:26.960 our hunt in Lena I from episode thirteen the same way. 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:31.960 And so it's interesting to see that reviewing repetitive sharpening 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:33.720 of of what do I gotta do? When do I 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:35.200 gotta do it? How am I going to do this? 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:37.119 How am I gonna do it right? What's you know, 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.320 what's the what's the strategy? But we got to do 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:42.240 that this week because the deer just kept coming and 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:47.080 coming coming. No, it was great. Yeah, like you say, like, man, 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.200 I'm I'm in a giant slump right now and have 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:52.760 been since last year. Like I messed up some some 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:57.119 shots I should have made last year, and uh, it 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:59.600 was good to get out. And that was the most 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:03.480 important thing said that you're telling me. There's ticks that 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.600 could pretty much in my life. But the most important 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:08.760 thing you told me was don't worry about screwing it 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:11.560 up because you will have another chance. Make sure you're 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.399 comfortable draw back, like remember all those mechanics that you've 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:18.040 learned and practice, like do that and if you screwed up, 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.400 you screwed up, you're gonna have another chance, which was great. 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:22.440 Do you know how many times did I pull my 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:27.480 bow back yesterday? Half a dozen more? Yeah, just a 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.440 fact of drawing your bow on a live animal and 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:34.159 trying not to not to expose yourself to a live animal. 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.560 Why you're drawing your bow. That's great practice. That's something 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.120 you never get to practice unless you're out hunting. Yeah, 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.280 and if you're a white tail hunter, you may do 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:44.000 it twice a year, yeah, or you know, depending on 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:47.760 what your strategies are. Um, and so yeah, I think 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:49.840 these types, especially this time, you was not a whole 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:54.640 lot going on fishing, mostly some bear hunting here and there. Um, 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.800 these are important type of experiences for me. But I 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:00.040 you know, since living in Texas and I'm an it 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:01.959 down here way, but well before I was a resident. 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:05.520 But um, I just this is kind of how spring 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:08.320 turkey spring access to her. It goes, you go out, 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:12.480 you get bit by something, it hurts, it scratches, you know, 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:15.720 you scratch the itch and it take a couple of 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:19.639 days agoes away. But there's that permanent thought in your 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:21.800 mind that, oh man, this could be you know, I 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:24.119 could I get Rocky Mountain spotted fever. I could get 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:29.320 lime disease. I could get Yeah, this rare gal disease. 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:33.360 Now that I've learned about, Well that's what gals out there. 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:36.080 That's what I keep thinking about. It's like, if you 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:41.000 were to uh get this is it a disease for virus, 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.720 and if you weren't allowed, Like the way I understand it, 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:46.480 and what was explained to me by the outfit or 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:49.160 was his buddy that got it, basically cannot eat red 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:51.439 meat and if he does, he doesn't die or anything, 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:53.359 but he feels like he has the flu for twenty 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:55.679 four to forty eight hours. He gets very sick. It's 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.760 so bad that he's from down south somewhere where they 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:02.719 barbecue a lot, and he can't even smell the smoke 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:07.080 when his buddies barbecue because it gets him sick. So 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:09.480 if I was thinking, like I was playing that to 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.800 my life, like what if tomorrow, Casey, you wake up 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:17.120 and you can't eat red meat? It would suck a right, 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:21.960 that's A. That's A and B. It would change my life. 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:26.000 It would change my family's life. Yeah, I mean I 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:29.840 hunt for numerous reasons. It's fun. I love the I 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:33.440 love the challenge. I love being out. It's something that 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:35.160 I grew up doing. It's something I want to pass 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:37.320 on to my kids. But also I eat. I love 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:42.320 eating the meat. Yeah, like that is what supplies my 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:45.960 family with with food. I guess what I mean. If 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:49.000 I could, I guess what would happen is I would 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:52.760 be able, I would still hunt to provide for my family, 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:56.080 and I would eat I guess. I don't know. You're 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:59.560 supposedly can eat fish. Some they were saying, like some 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:04.520 white meats turkeys or something. But I find this to 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:08.199 be people need to know people out there. You need 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:10.240 to know lone star ticks are not just in Texas either. 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.720 I feel like, yeah, people especially looking into coming down 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:16.280 here or going where they are. I've never heard of 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:18.639 this before. I thought I read I thought you were. 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:21.680 It sounds like a joke. I read that USA Today 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:23.359 article when it came out, I remember, and that was 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:27.960 that us AN articles from June, and so like you 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:31.199 said these things, this was happening to people and they 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:33.600 didn't know at least week. If it happens to us, 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:36.680 we'll have a better I believe Rutgers university was university 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:39.560 doing a lot of the study. But they're just imagine 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:42.520 being somebody in a decade ago that got bit by 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:45.720 tick that produces allergen and they were sick for the 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:47.560 rest for a long time and they could never figure 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:50.119 it out. And it took that articles that the forty 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:53.560 people to have these same symptoms and perhaps have been 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:57.280 bit by the same insect, and um, it's crazy, man. 0:21:57.480 --> 0:22:01.840 And like you said, every everyone has challenges, but it 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:06.520 sucks when the challenges are tiny, yeah, microscopic, And like 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:08.879 if a bears, like you said earlier this week, if 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:10.800 a bear is coming at you, most times, you're gonna 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:13.600 see it well. And the fact that, yeah, if a bear, 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:15.919 you can see it. And you know if a bear 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:18.480 attack you, right, Like, if a bear comes and choose 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:20.240 on you for a second, you're gonna get up and 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:22.480 be like, I just got bit by a bear. It's 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:23.920 not gonna be like a month later, you'd be like, damn, 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.920 I gonna exactly, it's not this. Then you're you're gonna 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:29.800 be wondering about and hoping it didn't happen and you 0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:32.240 and you don't really know until you get sick. Yeah, 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:33.960 I just got bit by a bear. I need to 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:36.840 go figure this out right now. Right now, I'm sitting 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:41.040 here doing this podcast wondering if there's a lone Start 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:43.159 tick on me now or if the one that was 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:46.200 embedded in my arm yesterday. Yeah, we need a psychologist 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:50.040 now to tell us it's Wait, it's way more dangerous 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:52.320 to drive home in a truck like we're about to 0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:54.880 do than it is to get bit by a lone 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:58.680 start tick. But the idea of the pure irony, at least, 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:00.320 maybe if it happens, the one of a we could 0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:02.320 write a book or something, maybe start like a reality 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:05.920 show about your life. People would watch me, just a 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:08.439 hunter got bit by a tick while hunting and now 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:11.800 can't rid of me. Um. I think it's probably best 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:15.080 we move along from this subject because I've so much 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:18.040 more to talk about, though, I mean, not just so 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:20.240 what I was saying. Yeah, there's other things that we 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:23.439 don't like. Yeah, so rattlesnakes are a big thing for me. Yeah, right, 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:27.600 and people are like, oh man, it's just a snake. Yeah, 0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:30.240 demon serpants. There's something that and we talked about this 0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:32.720 with cow this week. There's something that is embedded in 0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:35.680 your soul that when you're walking and see and you 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:37.720 see out of the corner of your eye a snake. 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:43.080 I would assume nine percent of people jump, right, I 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:47.040 would hope they do. And and then you add so 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:50.119 just the thought or the look of a snake is scary, 0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:51.880 I guess. And I don't know where that comes from. 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:54.199 It if it's a long I think it's almost an 0:23:54.240 --> 0:24:00.480 hereditary thing. My grandma hates snakes, my mom hate it's 0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:03.600 learned man, maybe it is. But I didn't mind snakes 0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:04.760 when I as a kid. I'd go out in the 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:07.159 ditch and I'd catch them, we'd play with them. Like 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:09.800 Grandma would freak out, my mom would freak out, I 0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:12.159 didn't mind him. And I think I just got this, 0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:15.520 like you know, in the last ten or fifteen years 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:18.280 that and maybe it's just I think more about being 0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:21.120 and like I said, it's being bit by rousseas. Trip 0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:24.520 list is irrational fear. It's not irrational to be afraid 0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:27.240 of something that can then it can bite you and 0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:29.359 then jet poison into you that could cause loss of 0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:32.600 limb or life. It's not irrational fear. If you were, 0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:35.240 you know, being scared of heights, if you're inside of 0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:38.320 a building, or um in a plane or something like that. 0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:42.600 That might be it's irrational um, but there's no irrational fear, 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:47.560 you know, crawling hidden serpent that could pop out of 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:50.520 the bushes and take your leg off. Yeah, in a 0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:53.399 very painful way. Well, you know, and everyone has their like. 0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:55.639 I think there's a lot of wives tales out there 0:24:55.640 --> 0:24:58.920 about different things about snakes and ticks like, you know, 0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:01.520 I think there's a lot of people are like snake like. 0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:04.159 I know, my buddy up Bit, I've had a lot 0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:06.840 of bird dogs a bit, you know. I talked to 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:08.959 again in New Mexico two years ago when we're down 0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:10.639 there elk hunting, and I don't know what type of 0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:12.600 a snake they are. It's a routs snake. They call 0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:19.159 them prairie rattlers, I think, or rock rattlers. And everyone 0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:21.520 I've seen down there, it's just they're not very picked. 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:24.480 They're like, I don't know, maybe two ft long. They're thin. 0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:29.000 They call them rock rattlers down there. Anyway. Uh, we 0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:32.600 were down there hunting ilk two years ago and I 0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:34.920 had two pretty clear I would call him close encounters. 0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:38.840 You know. I was walking past the log and one 0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:41.720 buzzed at me and literally like six inches from my 0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:46.400 leg and walked past the snake. M like five six 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:49.720 days later, I was tracking a bulleage shot been over 0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:53.920 looking for blood right at dusk, the same thing ran 0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:57.040 right into a rouse. Snake buzz me. So we go 0:25:57.160 --> 0:25:59.280 to this little town in New Mexico where we hunt, 0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:02.480 and we'd see him quite a few and uh, there's 0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:05.400 this one store there and I was asking I kind 0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:07.200 of know the owner because I've hunted there a few 0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:09.560 years in this area, and I was like, man, are 0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:11.760 the snakes just really bad this year? What I'm seeing 0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:13.480 a lot? He's like, well, I don't think any more 0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:15.720 than normal. But have you seen him? And I'm like, yeah, 0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:18.680 I've seen like I don't know four or five. Is 0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:22.240 that you kill him? I'm like no. My partner, Eric 0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:26.520 um Chester, he was with me and he's a reptile guy. Right. 0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:32.359 That sounds weird. My partners, my partner in my business, 0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:36.480 my life partner. You have a partner, all you and 0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:39.560 any partners as you want. That we're on the honeyglect 0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:43.720 We except all shapes. Anyway, He's he's a reptile guy. 0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:46.320 He likes to catch me. Caught those rattlesnakes in his hat. 0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:48.440 He's like, why would you kill him? Man, They're not 0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:49.879 doing anything to you. I'm like, man, he could have 0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:52.520 bit me anyway. So this guy was like, you kill 0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:55.639 every rattlesnake you see. If it's not you, it's the 0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:57.520 next guy that comes by her, a kid that comes 0:26:57.600 --> 0:26:59.760 by that it's gonna get bit by that thing. And 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:01.879 need to continue to tell me the story of his 0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:04.240 brother in law that was bit ten or twelve years 0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:09.679 ago previous and two dude still has trouble getting out 0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:11.800 of bed in the morning because his joints are so 0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:16.639 messed up because of the rattlesnake bite. Yeah, like life altering, 0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:21.680 Like within a split second, your life could be altered 0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:29.399 for him. It's it's hard to manage that mentally, it's 0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:32.520 hard to manage this all of the probabilities in your 0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:35.440 life that are happening right now, things that could be 0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:37.960 going on that could and that could put you in 0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:41.680 danger in some way. Like what are the probabilities of this, this, this, 0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:45.680 and this? You're getting the vehicle you you know, we're 0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:48.520 just cutting up meat and there's knives around, their saws around. 0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:51.920 What are the probabilities of all these things happening, but 0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:56.480 some of the things that are are unlikely are just 0:27:57.359 --> 0:28:01.320 fucking scary. Man. And I'm I'm definitely afraid of snakes, 0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:03.680 but I certainly don't like them. I'm not somebody but 0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:07.399 ah snakes, no big deal. I'd rather avoid them if 0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:09.840 I could. But if I see one, I'm not gonna 0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:12.359 I'm not gonna run, but I'm certainly not gonna go 0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:15.560 pick it up. I've had I founded with folks before. 0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:17.520 They're like, I'll just go pick them up, you know, 0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:20.000 stas rattle snakes will just go stomp with their heads 0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:24.480 or something like. That's not That's not a door I'd 0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:28.000 like to open up. I'd like to leave that one closed. Yeah. Well, 0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:31.240 is it true that uh anti venom for the rattlesnake 0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:34.399 bite can be upboards of like tens of thousands of dollars? 0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:39.000 I don't know. I know that on a ranch often 0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:42.000 hunt in the near Eagle Pass, Texas, that in the 0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:45.560 Eagle Past, oh the er they don't administer because they 0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:49.040 can't afford it, so they have to evacue to San Antonio. 0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:54.040 Helicopter very expensive. So yeah, I don't know. Let's just 0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:59.880 say rattlesnakes are there. It's just they're a good represent 0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:04.560 station of this country. It is sneaky, dangerous, and it's 0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:09.240 it seems sometimes that's out to get you because there's cactus, 0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:15.240 there's fire ants, there's giant bounds, fire ants, sugars. Yeah, 0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:19.240 I was gonna say, we haven't the w and they don't. 0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:22.000 They can't really have like a long time like effect 0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:23.600 on you, right, Like can they give you a virus 0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:29.000 you haven't told me about. No, well they could give well, well, 0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:31.760 they can give you a virus that if it bites you, 0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:34.120 your skin falls off. Yeah, just a certain sugar if 0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:38.040 it bites you. You can't upload videos to YouTube. Sh 0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:41.640 is terrible, man, I know, I'm sorry. Things are south 0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:44.959 down here in Texas and they can't just not just Texas, 0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:46.800 but this landscape in general. I mean you go to 0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:53.520 Mexico and Arizona, this you know, this ah longitude. Well, 0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:56.280 now that I think about it, all these crazy things, 0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:58.480 and it's crazy to me because I didn't grow up 0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:02.240 around around rattle snakes. Yeah perspective, right, So, like I 0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:05.960 grew up in Idaho and Utah for the most part, 0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:08.200 and yeah, like the things I was worried about were 0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:12.200 rattlesnakes or grizzly bears. Where I used to LK hunt, 0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:15.760 there's a lot of grizzly bears and um never really 0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:19.320 thought about wolves or mountain lions, but mostly bears, you know, 0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:25.080 and and rattlesnakes and ticks like I've read and maybe 0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:27.920 this is another wives tale that I've heard, But I've 0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:31.160 read that the ticks and Idaho don't carry the lime disease. 0:30:32.080 --> 0:30:34.680 Is that true? I don't know. I don't know anybody 0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:40.520 personally that's uh ghutlines disease from Idaho, but I'm sure, 0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:42.680 I'm sure they do. But yeah, so I come down 0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:45.240 here and this is all new to me, well that 0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:47.880 I would say this, and it was new to me 0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:50.040 when I got here as well, and still is kind 0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:54.360 of a certain way. But um, as a culture, even 0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:59.200 or as people were obsessed with the the anomaly like 0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:03.280 that air occurrence, obsessed with those things because one because 0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:04.680 a lot of times they're special and a lot of 0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:11.000 times they're amazing, and sometimes they're insanely horrible. UM. And 0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:13.840 this the anomaly doesn't always inform like the way you 0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:16.320 should live your life. But in this case, there's just 0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:21.360 this a compounding number of anomalies that happen, like rattlesnake bites, 0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:26.080 viruses that sho's probably have colma virus. I don't believe 0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:28.880 it is that, but a tick that can take away 0:31:28.920 --> 0:31:36.200 your carnivor carnivorous nature. It's so terrible. Yeah, it's bizarre. Yeah, 0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:41.000 you're right, like things that things that seem impossible are 0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:45.200 very intriguing, right. And and then in this case, it's 0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:47.840 quite the storyline from hunting this place. But we've had 0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:52.040 an amazing hunt, I would say, and I like this 0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:54.880 place because we're you know, kind of allowed out on 0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:56.720 this private ranch and they just let us go and 0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:59.080 they say, you know, stalk around, find a buck you like, 0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:02.120 and go for it there. Because there's no seasons on 0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:08.120 exotic game and in Texas and so and this is 0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:11.520 the rut. Generally, the access to our spasmodic, so they 0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:15.240 don't all rut at one time, but this generally is 0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:18.800 the time of your most of the running activity happens. 0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:21.960 There's lined up in this area of the country, so 0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:25.560 you have access to your bucks running around, like you said, everywhere, 0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:30.800 and they're roaring, which is a bone chilling sound. It's crazy. 0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:34.120 I kept asking be like, if you had no education 0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:39.200 about access steer and you were just in the woods somewhere, 0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:41.360 I don't care where you were at. It could be Texas, 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:43.640 it could be wherever you grew up Idaho. Because I 0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:47.160 know it, and you heard that sound, would you not 0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:54.000 think it wasn't a dinosaur, a velociraptor. I think, like, wow, sasquatch. Eh, yeah, no, 0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:59.800 it's it's so it's the landscape is familiar. But this animal, 0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:02.320 as much as I have haunted them in the past 0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:04.760 couple of years and talked about them on this podcast 0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:09.360 and everywhere else, they're still unfamiliar. Still getting to know them. 0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:11.920 I have many, many decades of many many have to 0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:15.560 have three decades of experience with white tail deer. So 0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:17.200 I'm not just getting to know them. I know a 0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:18.680 lot about them. I know how they see, you know 0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:22.000 how they think, and what they eat, how they travel, 0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:25.680 and a lot of deer species do the same things. 0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:28.560 But we got to watch a lot of access to here. 0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:30.720 They don't do a lot of the things that white 0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:35.040 tailed deer. Dude, and they're just intrigue for for a 0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:40.080 number of reasons. But that brings me to why you 0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:43.560 and I have hunted it together what twice? Now, Uh, 0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:46.320 we're not lifelong friends, have known each other for a 0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:50.200 little bit of time, um, in the industry, and we've 0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:55.480 had those two experiences, and both experiences had failure in them. Ah, 0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:59.080 my failure and some yours or whatever. I mean people 0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:02.880 other people in camp sense some success and some failure. 0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:06.120 All of these hunting camps are like that. And UM, 0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:08.960 I don't know. We sure do you talk about our 0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:12.320 success enough? Because that's exciting and that's something that we value. 0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:14.520 That's what we're here to do, and we'll and and 0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:17.400 we're excited and we want to tell those stories. But 0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:19.360 there are stories of failure. I think it is equally 0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:23.719 as important as our stories of success. And you and 0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:26.279 I haven't really talked all about that, but I find 0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:28.640 that that like as as I know, you appreciate the 0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:31.360 experience of honey as much as I do. And so 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:35.680 for me, when I sail an arrow over a buck's 0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:40.600 back at forty five yards, I'm smiling. I'm I'm happy 0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:43.800 at that happened. I'm not I'm not upset that I 0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:46.520 didn't kill it. I much rather would have done that. 0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:51.000 But I don't look at it as something necessarily lost, 0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:54.279 sik at us an opportunity gained and I'll be better 0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:57.600 for the next one. Now you know we've both when 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:02.479 we've hunted together wounded animals. Um, that's a whole different story. 0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:06.160 That's like the one thing that changes the game, because 0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:08.640 that affects the animal. Have you spook the animal in aarra, 0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:11.920 it doesn't affect too much. Um, So just talk about that, 0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:15.080 I mean talk about your you know, for me, I 0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:18.480 was in we were in Lenai a month ago for 0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:21.920 episode thirteen, and I had nothing but failure. I mean 0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:25.000 so much failure that I wasn't sure if I could 0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:27.800 draw my bow back just because I didn't want to 0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:30.680 let it down again, that's not we're shooting there And 0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:35.000 watched the access You're ducket again. Um, I came here 0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:38.920 and I had a media success first morning success boom. Well, 0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:41.000 I think it's important to talk about you. He had 0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:43.680 made mention of that after and I didn't realize that 0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:46.160 you had such a tough time in lnight trying to 0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:48.040 get a deer kill. I knew you didn't kill one, 0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:52.560 but um, you as soon as you, I mean do 0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:55.920 you had that first morning was absolutely amazing. We had 0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:58.640 a great, great morning hunt got into access to your 0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:04.200 learned it life lifetime of got a lifetime and knowledge 0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:07.640 of access deer. In that one morning we were close. 0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:09.920 We heard him calling. I saw him do all these 0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:12.920 things I never even knew they did. You shot a 0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:17.480 buck at forty yards and absolutely just made a perfect shot. 0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:22.640 Buck runs twenty forty yards, something tips over dead, like 0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:27.800 perfect scenario. And you I can't remember the exact quote 0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:30.880 or you're what you said exactly, but it was somewhere 0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:33.360 along the lines of man, all that, all those failures, 0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:37.120 and Lena, I really like honed me for this hunt 0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:40.960 like you were on it man like. I like, looking 0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:43.480 back now, I was like, man, Ben was dialed like 0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:47.040 the knew exactly what he needed to do, but knew 0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:49.640 exactly where he needed to place that arrow and it 0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:51.880 ended up being perfect. And that comes from all your 0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:55.279 failures that you had in Yeah, because you can't. You 0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:57.960 can't in the moment. You can't play them all back, right. 0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:01.640 If I was like, oh wait, deer, chill out, I 0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:05.520 have to replay all the moments to make sure I'm 0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:07.719 informed by them for this one, so I don't I 0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:10.000 don't fail. I don't feel giggs. I don't think I 0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:12.640 could do it. I don't think I can miss again 0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:17.680 or not get a shot again or whatever. Um. But yeah, 0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:22.479 I just I just remember thinking there's there's two types. 0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:25.719 I mean, and uh, guys like around me Warrem will 0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:28.200 tell you about just being an arrow, like being confident 0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:31.080 in knowing if you're not worried about whether your gears 0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:33.120 is gonna perform, you're not worry worth about you can 0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:36.560 do it. You're just worried about that where that arrow goes, 0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:38.960 and you just kind of become it and you know 0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:40.799 where it's gonna go. You know it's gonna be good. 0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:43.560 And I don't often have that. I get you eat 0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:47.480 a lot of failure and you doubt yourself and just 0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:51.080 leads to bad stuff. I tell people all the time, 0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:54.400 like the absolute worst thing for me anyway, like to 0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:58.640 go on a hunt is to not have confidence in 0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:03.399 my equip it meant and not have confidence in yourself. Yeah. 0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:06.759 If you go out with with those two things, you're 0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:09.480 you will not succeed. Yeah. And I had and I 0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:13.920 John Dudley telling me showed up to his place in 0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:16.320 Iowa with with a bow that wasn't sighted in and 0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:18.880 you know, I've got a travel's kidder that's crazy, and 0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:21.920 a job and a kid and life got crazy and 0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:24.480 I didn't shoot my bow as much as I should have, 0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:27.160 and I showed up there and he's just like, look, man, 0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:31.200 this is part of this like step your game up. 0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:33.200 You know, he was just honest with the step your 0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:36.680 game up. Um, He's like, I've huntled with you four 0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:39.320 or five times, and and the three times you showed 0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:41.200 up with a bow that you were confident with you 0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:43.239 killed stuff. And the times that you show up and 0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:44.799 you're like, I still need to shoot a little bit 0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:47.640 are the times where it's it gets you're thinking about 0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:50.719 other things. You're not comfortable with that stuff. So yeah, 0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:52.719 when you spend five days failing with a bow and 0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:56.080 with it the set up and with an animal, a 0:38:56.160 --> 0:39:00.239 certain type of animal, I mean, it sharpens you. If 0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:02.719 you were you know, if you just go out s 0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:08.480 see the first time, I'm sure you learn things and 0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:12.040 but there's no the level of frustration causes you to 0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:13.960 want to get better. And then you go out there 0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:17.000 kind of unwilling to feel that again, and that unwillingness 0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:21.640 sharpens everything. And you I was just pretty determined no, man, 0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:24.600 I saw it in your eyes, like and especially looking 0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:27.320 back and knowing like I said, I didn't know exactly 0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:30.640 just struggle you had over there in the and I 0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:34.440 trying to kill one of these deer. But yeah, looking back, 0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:36.719 I was like, no, I could be like, yeah, it 0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:40.680 was like you had that predator instinct in him, you know. 0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:42.799 And as I used to tell that to my dad, 0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:45.279 I remember, like I thought about this day and and 0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:48.320 in all honesty and fairness, I will be like, I 0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:50.080 have to tell you, like I am in a bad 0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:54.320 spot right now, Like I went through some stuff like 0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:57.440 when I left. So what happened I guess we can 0:39:57.480 --> 0:40:00.799 talk about that is I mean, um, the first day 0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:02.440 I didn't really hunt. I had just had so much 0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:05.120 fun following Ben and call around that I was like, 0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:08.320 I'll just run the camera and uh try to capture 0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:09.759 as much as this as I can because it was 0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:13.360 so much fun. And we we captured some amazing content. 0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:17.600 And so yesterday right it was the first day I hunted, 0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:21.359 and Bennett killed his deer, killed a deer, a buck, 0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:26.720 and uh Cal had some chances. And then yesterday morning 0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:29.920 we went to a location and we got in on 0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:32.960 the tier and it was my turn to be the shooter, 0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:36.840 I guess, and we got into this water hole. We 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:39.800 basically stalked a buck for a while, and then we 0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:42.320 realized he's headed this water hole. Let's just me and 0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:43.959 Ben both looked at each other and said, we gotta 0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:46.040 get to the water hole. Beautiful, but one of the 0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:48.359 bigger ones we saw. So we gets the water hole. 0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:53.000 It's it was just awesome deer everywhere. It was drawn 0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:55.239 back on that one deer that we we spotted there 0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:59.920 or stalked there forty three yards never never presented a 0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:02.839 shot and dude, and and even to go back further. 0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:05.800 The reason I'm saying I'm in a bad spot is 0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:09.879 because my archery elk hunt in Idaho last year was rough. 0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:12.520 I called a bull in the very first day, I 0:41:12.600 --> 0:41:16.600 was by myself called a bull. In filmed the whole 0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:20.960 thing by myself called him. In got so worked up 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:23.680 I I accidentally punched my trigger when I wasn't ready 0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:27.120 to shoot. Uh missed the bull. The arrow kind of 0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:30.839 like flopped off throto the side of him. I found 0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:33.440 the arrow, no no blood or hair. The bull is 0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:36.480 finally got ended up getting killed, and then we hunted 0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:39.000 seventeen days in a row with the Born and Raised crew, 0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:44.040 and Trevor killed a bull. Anyway the last second last day, 0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:46.640 I was like, Okay, it's it's my turn again, Like 0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:49.680 I'm gonna kill a bull, like it's feeling pretty down 0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:53.080 about my shooting, my abilities. Same thing, man, bull comes 0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:55.720 in and it's not my shooting, it's it's my mental 0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:59.640 game is way off. Anyway, bull comes into thirty five yards. 0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:03.680 I just made some serious, like mental mistakes and missed 0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:06.080 completely missed the bull, which was great, you know, and 0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:07.759 like you said earlier, like I can look at it 0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:10.800 and be like, no harm, no foul. But at the 0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:13.560 same time, I have an archery hunt it since then, 0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:16.000 I don't believe. And so I've been thinking about that 0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:20.080 from last six or eight, right, And I was the 0:42:20.160 --> 0:42:22.960 same thing, like I told myself, I'm gonna be better, 0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:25.359 I'm gonna shoot more, I'm gonna practice, I'm gonna figure 0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:28.600 this out. Like life happens, I don't get to shoot 0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:30.800 as much as I want to have four kids. My 0:42:30.960 --> 0:42:33.160 wife like, I shoot as much as I can. But 0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:37.960 so coming on this hunt, I shot. I probably knew 0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:40.520 about this for a week before we came down I 0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:43.560 shot every day, like, Okay, I gotta get the bowl out, 0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:46.879 shoot retuned it. Like I was feeling pretty good coming 0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:49.880 into this, shooting out to sixty five seventy yards at 0:42:49.880 --> 0:42:53.360 the house, but feeling pretty good about this anyway. So 0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:59.920 yesterday morning, um, wonderful morning. Buck never presents a show, 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:04.279 runs off. Another buck comes in, beautiful buck, and he 0:43:04.400 --> 0:43:06.759 was he was kind of he knew it. The water hole. 0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:08.399 We just sat at that water hole. It was hot, 0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:10.360 it was like hundred degrees and we're like, we're just 0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:12.200 gonna stay at this water hole, will build a little blind, 0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:16.480 we'll see see what comes in and not, I don't know. 0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:19.399 Forty five minutes after we got settled in, here comes 0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:22.520 a big old fat velvet buck. Beautiful buck. Yeah. Like 0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:25.920 when I saw him, I was like, I don't ever Like, obviously, 0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:27.759 I don't know how to score an access to here. 0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:30.560 But it's never about scores, about my instant reaction to 0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:32.680 when I see an animal, is it is it? Do 0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:36.520 I get excited? Great? Big enough for me? And that's yeah, 0:43:36.560 --> 0:43:42.120 this is just for general practice. Its beautiful beautiful anyway 0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:46.520 comes in kind of knows something's up, spooks they barked 0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:48.600 just like an elk if you hunted before they bark 0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:51.880 for like a warning sign, like what are you like? 0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:55.759 Come out? He barked a few times. Um I got 0:43:55.840 --> 0:43:59.200 drawn back anyway, he runs out, says you have to 0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:01.160 shoot him when he stops, like this will be your 0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:05.520 own chance ranged him. Felt confident And all I've ever 0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:07.839 heard about access to your when you're shooting at him 0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:11.760 is they're kg little buggers, Like they will jump your string. 0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:14.959 I've heard that from guys at twenty yards, at thirty yards. 0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:16.680 I was at sixty five, and like, this thing is 0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:18.800 gonna jump my string. And I felt like mentally I 0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:21.279 was in it, like I wasn't like didn't have the 0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:25.279 quotation buck fever they call it. I felt like I 0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:28.239 really talked myself through this shot. You did too, And 0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:32.400 I was watched and i'm i'm, I'm I've seen access 0:44:32.400 --> 0:44:34.640 to your put their bellies in the dirt on a 0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:37.759 bowshot at yards. Yeah, to the point where there's no 0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:40.040 way you would have had to aim at the bottom 0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:42.680 of their stomach. That hit him in the backstrap. That's well, 0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:44.320 And that's what I did with this, I thought, And 0:44:44.480 --> 0:44:47.879 obviously I aimed a little bit too low, but sixty five. 0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:50.040 That's the last thing I said is this is a 0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:53.120 long shot. I'm comfortable with this shot. But at this shot, 0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:56.680 any animal jumped the string. Yeah. I have a short drawing, 0:44:57.040 --> 0:44:59.480 I have short arms. I'm not shooting a super fast bow. 0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:03.759 But that so the last thing I remember is just 0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:06.040 go low of his body like and maybe it was 0:45:06.120 --> 0:45:10.440 an inch is what I felt like. It was release 0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:14.279 zero And in my head, I'm like arrows sailing through 0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:15.880 the air and it slows down, you know. And now 0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:18.399 I think back, like I remember the thoughts I was having. 0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:21.239 I was like, that's a that's a dead buck, Like 0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:24.880 he's gonna sink right into it. Anyway, erro go flying 0:45:25.080 --> 0:45:27.440 and just you see it arching down and the deer 0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:32.040 never moved a muscle. He just statue. He just statuted me, 0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:35.920 like watch the ero go below it. Oh you had him. 0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:38.000 I was like, oh, here it goes. And then I 0:45:38.040 --> 0:45:41.080 saw that air dropping in to the boiler room. I thought, 0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:44.439 oh yeah, yeah, like he's gonna synk right into this scene. 0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:48.000 Never moved shot. I don't know right below. I mean 0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:51.200 I think you might have, you know, give a shave ship. 0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:56.400 Yeah it was close, but I mean, so for that experience. 0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:58.759 I was like, well that was I felt great about 0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:00.680 the shot. I talked myself through and that was. That's 0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:03.640 been my motto since last year, was just slow it down, 0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:07.480 talk yourself through this. You do it all summer long, 0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:10.880 you go to these total archery challenges and shoot, like, 0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:13.719 just slow it down and do that. I feel like 0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:15.640 I get rushed sometimes and I see an animal and 0:46:15.880 --> 0:46:18.080 you work so hard to do it sometimes that when 0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:20.600 you are presenting that opportunity you've been hunting for, it's 0:46:20.640 --> 0:46:22.040 like I've got to do it now. I've got to 0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:23.759 do it now else I'll never have that chance again. 0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:25.799 That I feel like I followed it anyway. I talked 0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:27.960 myself through it. That was a great shot. I just 0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:30.200 didn't do what I thought he was gonna do. Me 0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:32.040 and Ben talked about it. Ben, you were great by 0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:34.080 the way you were like, man, you did everything perfect. 0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:36.080 Don't worry about that. That was a great shot. That's 0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:39.480 what I would have done. Well. Then we're talking to 0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:44.239 the guy back at camp and he's like, no, no, actually, dear, 0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:46.800 do not they They'll they just stand there and take it. 0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:50.680 I'm like, really, I just I and I My response 0:46:50.800 --> 0:46:55.840 was listen, man, I've shot an arrow maybe ten access 0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:58.920 dear in my life, and not one of them stood 0:46:58.920 --> 0:47:01.239 there and took it. Y the ones that I've killed, 0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:04.160 one actually one I killed. I shot at them from 0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:06.279 so far away there's no way you canna heard the string, 0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:10.000 and lucky I got um. And this the one I 0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:13.480 shot the other day, it was full rut like he 0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:17.360 he didn't know anything, what's going on? We're lucky, lucky 0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:19.320 to have that, so he wouldn't go jomp any strings. 0:47:19.360 --> 0:47:22.400 But I missed two or three does and one and 0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:24.960 I were it just was. It was ridiculous, the amount 0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:28.160 that they would move in the short time frame that 0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:30.839 the air was in the air and it's headed their way. 0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:33.880 It's crazy. Yeah. So yeah, we get back to cam 0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:35.520 Tore like, oh no, let's sit take it. So then 0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:39.040 I'm like that's weighing on my head, like okay, so 0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:40.680 maybe I should just put it, you know. And I 0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:43.359 would never recommend now looking back, like you should never 0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:45.560 hold off the body. I don't think in case of 0:47:45.640 --> 0:47:48.200 that situation, like no, I should have held you know, 0:47:48.560 --> 0:47:50.680 you just read the animal. You just don't read the animal. 0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:54.239 I don't. For me. The thing that I've learned it 0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:55.879 just got to read the animal. And if that theor 0:47:55.960 --> 0:47:57.960 is looking at you. And then in the case of 0:47:58.040 --> 0:48:00.239 that dear he spooked off the water hole, he was 0:48:00.320 --> 0:48:06.120 looking at us. Yeah, and you're thinking, if he's on alert, 0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:09.160 he's he knows we're here, you know something's up, he's 0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:11.439 gonna be jumping. But if he's just drinking all he's 0:48:11.480 --> 0:48:14.839 just having a drink, he''s gonna take him a little 0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:16.799 bit more time to pick this up. And so you're 0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:19.640 just you're reading the animal, you're reading the situation. You're 0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:22.040 using your past experience to say, like is this going 0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:25.360 to is this gonna happen? What you know, how is 0:48:25.400 --> 0:48:27.400 this going to happen? And you're processing all of that 0:48:27.560 --> 0:48:32.640 and what is seconds? Seconds? And it The funny thing 0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:34.800 for me is that it's like I said, it's that 0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:39.279 sharpened mentality that that you can sluugh off. You're just 0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:42.879 slough off all that ship. It's like, well, I don't 0:48:42.880 --> 0:48:46.239 get Hildy ducks it or not, it's going it's gonna 0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:50.640 hit him. Um. That sounds like an overly simplistical way 0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:53.600 of thinking about it. But once you've had all the 0:48:53.719 --> 0:48:57.080 failures and those things have happened, then you're you're able 0:48:57.120 --> 0:49:01.440 to kind of just them up in your head just 0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:03.200 to say, like I've seen this for I know what 0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:06.040 this is, I know how this goes well, I know 0:49:06.200 --> 0:49:08.640 how this goes bad, and I am going to make 0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:11.400 it go well. I'm going to and that's going to happen. 0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:14.480 And you just and that goes down to practice too, 0:49:14.640 --> 0:49:17.120 right when it comes down to like a second comfortable Yeah, 0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:20.000 I think for practice, I mean it's just can't practice 0:49:20.000 --> 0:49:22.480 all that is for well, no, but I feel like 0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:27.800 for what practices that it's all repetition, right, it's muscle memory. 0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:30.719 In my opinion, shooting a bow is and so you 0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:34.160 do it enough and it's it's practicing correctly is a 0:49:34.239 --> 0:49:36.759 big thing too. And there I think there's a lot 0:49:36.760 --> 0:49:38.120 of things. I've been shooting a bow since I was 0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:40.319 eight years old. I'm thirty six years old. Like I've 0:49:40.320 --> 0:49:43.600 been seriously shooting a bow like with my dad my 0:49:43.680 --> 0:49:47.080 whole life basically. And I've hunted since I was twelve 0:49:47.239 --> 0:49:50.600 with a bow and been very fortunate to kill I 0:49:50.640 --> 0:49:53.480 think ten elk with my bow now, Like i feel 0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:55.960 like I'm not accomplished, but I feel like I'm a 0:49:56.080 --> 0:49:59.480 seasoned bow hunter. Yeah, let's I mean, that's a good 0:49:59.520 --> 0:50:01.960 point to make. And I would say this too. So 0:50:02.160 --> 0:50:04.840 much of what the bow hunting community is now is 0:50:05.080 --> 0:50:11.320 is about this. This glorifying of professional professional hunters is 0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:16.400 not the term, but but professional industry folks, guys that 0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:21.120 are on TV or on do this, UM on your case, 0:50:21.200 --> 0:50:25.279 on YouTube or wherever your platform is, and you have 0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:27.319 to be you don't have to be, but your your 0:50:27.800 --> 0:50:29.640 brands like you a lot better if you're an expert, 0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:31.600 and they like you a lot better if you're really 0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:36.360 good at it, because that that adds value to what 0:50:36.520 --> 0:50:39.080 you do. And it's almost like there's no room for 0:50:39.160 --> 0:50:43.840 a normal guy who's a serious bow hunter just feeling 0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:46.719 it out and gets all kinds of awesome opportunities and 0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:50.160 sometimes it makes it work, sometimes it doesn't work. UM 0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:55.759 and just tells that entire story. And I'm sure I 0:50:55.880 --> 0:50:57.759 imagine you would agree with the point that, like you 0:50:57.840 --> 0:50:59.920 and I are both just normal guys. We don't under 0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:03.120 percent it's normal. I don't. I'm terrible at a lot 0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:05.759 of things like my hand, eye coord name, my jump 0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:10.440 shot is ten year old girl, no fasted ten year 0:51:10.440 --> 0:51:14.359 old girls are a lot of them skilled, but they're 0:51:14.440 --> 0:51:16.840 draining three girls out there right now that are offended 0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:18.480 by what you just I'm sorry, ten year old girls, 0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:22.040 don't write into Ben and home Mark, don't be listening 0:51:22.040 --> 0:51:25.520 to podcasts. No, I would. That's what I would say 0:51:25.680 --> 0:51:28.360 is like I feel like people think that since we 0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:31.839 do this for a living, that we're like, yeah, there's 0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:34.480 like this professional yeah, like oh wait, hold on, you're 0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:37.959 making con YouTube or like whatever content, you're making hunting 0:51:38.040 --> 0:51:40.680 content and putting it out there and getting paid to 0:51:40.719 --> 0:51:45.560 dored bear. Yeah. I've never claimed to be I hate 0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:47.480 the word professional hunter. I don't. I feel like a 0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:49.560 professional hunter is somebody gets paid to go out and 0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:52.640 kill animals for the government. Like that's like terminology that's 0:51:52.719 --> 0:51:56.160 using pretty specially in Africa for yeah, and I don't know, 0:51:56.239 --> 0:51:58.399 like to keep it there. I don't use that terms 0:51:58.440 --> 0:52:01.600 specifically because it's it's it's a term that's using Africa 0:52:01.640 --> 0:52:05.399 and more appropriate there. But um, yeah, so I think 0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:07.719 there's this level that's my failure to me, is this 0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:11.200 like this important discussion? Um, and you think it would 0:52:11.239 --> 0:52:14.560 be in sports, failure is evident because most of us 0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:17.600 getting filmed or there's an audience that's watching it. Live 0:52:18.800 --> 0:52:22.920 and in hunting, nobody's watching, so you can shape the 0:52:22.920 --> 0:52:25.520 story however you want. Well, that's the thing too, and 0:52:25.760 --> 0:52:28.040 that's what I definitely wanted to talk about, is man, 0:52:29.560 --> 0:52:31.400 you know, there's three of us that do hush and 0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:36.040 and uh. We are all very normal people, like maybe 0:52:36.080 --> 0:52:39.279 even below normal. I don't know, below average guys never 0:52:39.360 --> 0:52:43.439 taking an AT test, Probably way below. But I would say, 0:52:43.520 --> 0:52:45.799 like on a scale of of hunters that have hunted 0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:48.120 a long time, I think we obviously we fall in 0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:50.200 that category. We've all hunted. We all were fortunate to 0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:52.239 have great dads that taught us how to hunt. We're 0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:54.359 kids since we've done it all our lives. But by 0:52:54.440 --> 0:52:57.320 no means have we ever like done anything to like 0:52:57.480 --> 0:52:59.279 put us like set as apart. I think there's guys 0:52:59.320 --> 0:53:01.719 out there, like I look at people like Adam green 0:53:01.760 --> 0:53:05.279 Tree and Rammy Warren for for sure, Like I look 0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:07.879 at those guys and I'm like, if I would ever 0:53:08.239 --> 0:53:10.960 use that or throw that term around like professional hunter, 0:53:11.280 --> 0:53:12.880 those guys would be it, because like I watched what 0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:15.279 they do and they're legit, like right, and they did. 0:53:15.880 --> 0:53:17.800 Those guys, I don't know that if they came to it. 0:53:18.520 --> 0:53:21.920 There's no application process. People see it and they know 0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:25.320 it and and that's how it works. But like like 0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:28.760 you say, you have a choice. When you're a content creator, 0:53:29.000 --> 0:53:31.279 you have a choice to present what story you guys 0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:34.040 have a choice to present. Edit out things that aren't flat, 0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:36.640 that aren't flattering. You have a choice to and eyes 0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:40.040 do I to just put up? Like you know, I 0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:43.279 put I made a post on the old instagrams there 0:53:43.719 --> 0:53:45.520 uh during the lane, I has just said I am 0:53:45.719 --> 0:53:49.680 terrible at this. And it was like if if if 0:53:49.800 --> 0:53:51.680 that was like a live sporting event and people had 0:53:51.719 --> 0:53:54.000 followed me for five days, Like I was like, you know, 0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:56.200 on a golf course and they're following my group on 0:53:56.400 --> 0:53:58.759 CBS or something, Jim Nance would be talking all types 0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:01.880 of ship on me, like bank can't drive, he can't putty, 0:54:01.920 --> 0:54:03.920 can't ship. He's falling down, he fell out of the 0:54:03.960 --> 0:54:09.640 golf cart, he ran into a lake. He's drunk. Jim 0:54:09.800 --> 0:54:12.080 Nance too. I wish we could get ym Nasces coming. 0:54:12.239 --> 0:54:14.880 If you're gonna find somebody that's gonna talk about you'd 0:54:14.920 --> 0:54:17.520 be be Chim names Jim Nance. I'd love to have 0:54:17.640 --> 0:54:20.239 Jim Nance calm and just be there, like I need 0:54:20.360 --> 0:54:23.520 who been there coming in. Benner Brand pulls the boll back, 0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:28.600 Harol falls off, and an armadillo bites in the foot. 0:54:28.640 --> 0:54:32.680 He falls over. We didn't even talk about the armadillos. 0:54:33.640 --> 0:54:37.479 I'm not going back to that conversation. Armadillos give you leprosy, Okay, 0:54:37.600 --> 0:54:41.279 people look it up, pick it up. There should be 0:54:41.400 --> 0:54:43.759 a waiver you have to sign before you come into 0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:47.360 the state of Texas. I know these things. Did you 0:54:47.520 --> 0:54:52.440 know you can get leprosy from a biblical plague, plague 0:54:52.560 --> 0:54:56.800 that wiped out billions of people, and I thought it 0:54:56.880 --> 0:54:58.320 was gone. I thought it was off. The hurt and 0:54:58.400 --> 0:55:00.960 leprosy doesn't mean like you turned green and go to Ireland. 0:55:01.000 --> 0:55:04.480 It means you just boil your skin, boils off. Let's 0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:07.400 talk about that from it. Did you know that? Though? Before? 0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:10.160 The other night before Ryan Callahan was trying to catch 0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:12.920 an armadillo and the guy said, don't do that, you 0:55:13.040 --> 0:55:15.239 get leprosy. I might have like it much like that 0:55:15.360 --> 0:55:17.400 rare meat. Diuse'se like I've read an article and then 0:55:17.440 --> 0:55:21.239 just going like a great oh an anomaly. Yeah, but again, 0:55:21.360 --> 0:55:23.560 let's not get but here you go anyway, Yes, public 0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:26.799 service announcement, don't play with the armadillo. It might give 0:55:26.840 --> 0:55:30.440 you leprosy. And if if you can't eat meat and 0:55:30.440 --> 0:55:34.799 you got leprosy, what can you do? Anyways? Like if 0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:37.319 Jim Nance came along from my Arla and I hunt, 0:55:37.360 --> 0:55:38.960 he would have been like he would have filing like 0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:42.719 Shane do orry you're having like Shane draw, he shoots, said, 0:55:42.800 --> 0:55:46.560 kills a buck and he gets a troupe. Are like 0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:49.759 down back to Ben O'Brien's group. Oh he's lost a boot. 0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:54.600 Why is he in the road? Why is he walking 0:55:54.600 --> 0:55:59.160 down the hard road like this guy? Because how I felt, 0:55:59.200 --> 0:56:03.040 I felt just like a a stooge. And um, I 0:56:03.120 --> 0:56:08.160 just felt like I wish all the people uh that 0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:11.800 would ever look at anything I ever did and hunting 0:56:12.000 --> 0:56:13.840 could see this right now, because they would be like, 0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:16.600 oh okay. A lot of them be like what a loser, 0:56:17.040 --> 0:56:19.080 But some of them be like that was a real guy. 0:56:19.160 --> 0:56:22.640 They're just just having a bad week. Man having a 0:56:22.719 --> 0:56:25.400 bad week. He knows what to do. I went to 0:56:25.480 --> 0:56:29.360 the nine last year and shot of a good bucket 0:56:29.400 --> 0:56:35.400 eighty yards and I thought, nanswermen like O'Brien takes the 0:56:35.440 --> 0:56:38.160 shots before the wind, he drives it and holding one 0:56:39.160 --> 0:56:40.800 and so I go back there this year kind of 0:56:40.840 --> 0:56:45.960 like nonchalantly thinking I want to get Henna something happened, ah, 0:56:46.520 --> 0:56:50.960 but it doesn't happen, And so I guess, you know, 0:56:51.000 --> 0:56:53.640 I really just wanted to want to talk about because 0:56:54.040 --> 0:56:56.120 I go it goes back to our hunt in Colorado, 0:56:57.120 --> 0:56:58.680 and I was coming off the same as you. I 0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:01.879 was in at the desirette Um a bunch of really 0:57:01.920 --> 0:57:06.719 great hunters, and I screwed the pooch on film and 0:57:07.320 --> 0:57:11.400 had to shot at Elk at thirty three yards in 0:57:11.600 --> 0:57:15.240 the ass and then had to go get a rifle 0:57:15.960 --> 0:57:18.760 and finish the mall. And I and I didn't have 0:57:18.800 --> 0:57:22.080 another bow hunt until in November. And when I showed 0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:23.840 up in October to hunt deer with you guys, I 0:57:24.080 --> 0:57:25.800 that's where I was at. And I was also just 0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:28.000 bow hunting good Ton and so I was like, wow, 0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:33.720 rifle easy, I'll just show up. They'll hand me this 0:57:34.080 --> 0:57:36.520 brand new weather being. Yeah, you're you're just a shooter. 0:57:36.920 --> 0:57:39.960 Peo peo pew and dead buck. Well le's if I 0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:43.000 say it was it was a joke. And wounded a 0:57:43.040 --> 0:57:46.040 buck and luckily tracked him down and shot him. Um, 0:57:46.240 --> 0:57:47.920 and then there was like that's two hunts in a row. 0:57:48.040 --> 0:57:49.960 That was the massive failures. After I had like six 0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:53.760 or seven hunts that were very very successful, and uh 0:57:54.280 --> 0:57:57.200 showed up to Iowa a couple of weeks after I 0:57:57.280 --> 0:57:59.320 was with you guys and and shot a good buck 0:58:00.000 --> 0:58:01.520 with the boat that wasn't out in because I had 0:58:01.520 --> 0:58:03.800 to buzz with a bunch of reasons, shot a good 0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:08.080 buck and had success. Um and then went to you know, 0:58:08.640 --> 0:58:10.600 I went to Mexico and a good cure. So anyway, 0:58:10.760 --> 0:58:13.200 we don't need the full list of things, but it's 0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:15.440 it's it's a I think for normal people with a 0:58:15.480 --> 0:58:18.080 lot of opportunities to go hunting, it's a it's up 0:58:18.120 --> 0:58:20.720 and down, up and down. Going back to the point 0:58:20.760 --> 0:58:23.360 you're making is yeah, we do have the choice to 0:58:25.560 --> 0:58:30.040 show what what we choose to show. But I have 0:58:30.240 --> 0:58:36.160 always been very um passionate and adamant, I should say, 0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:39.280 is the word that we show it how it is like, 0:58:39.760 --> 0:58:41.520 we have a really cool platform and it's not a 0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:46.880 TV show. It is on YouTube, and I like I 0:58:47.040 --> 0:58:48.920 like the way we do it because it's just like 0:58:49.040 --> 0:58:51.480 hanging out. I want the audience to feel like they're 0:58:51.480 --> 0:58:56.400 just hanging out with us, and so it's you know, 0:58:56.800 --> 0:59:00.880 not reality to TV. But it's not highly polished, highly 0:59:00.960 --> 0:59:03.600 produced stuff. It's just stuff we shoot ourselves a lot 0:59:03.680 --> 0:59:06.720 of times holding our own camera, filming ourselves what they 0:59:06.800 --> 0:59:09.840 call vlogging anyway, and and and we show it, and 0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:11.760 we want people to feel like they're just hanging out 0:59:11.800 --> 0:59:14.880 with us. We want people, I want people to feel 0:59:14.920 --> 0:59:17.360 like they are learning with us, because going back to 0:59:17.520 --> 0:59:19.920 us being very average people and maybe a little bit 0:59:20.000 --> 0:59:25.440 below average hunters, that we are learning as we're creating 0:59:25.480 --> 0:59:27.680 this content. We want the audience to be right there 0:59:27.760 --> 0:59:30.320 with us learning too, because there's a lot more average 0:59:30.800 --> 0:59:34.000 Joe's out there than there are studs like Remy Warrant 0:59:34.080 --> 0:59:37.960 or or Adam or uh Adam green Tree. But we 0:59:38.600 --> 0:59:42.480 I've always been very adamant about showing what goes on 0:59:42.640 --> 0:59:45.200 because I tell people all the time, and I we 0:59:45.840 --> 0:59:47.720 have people tell us, hey, man, I love the way 0:59:47.720 --> 0:59:49.800 you guys shoot it. I just always just feel like 0:59:49.840 --> 0:59:51.200 I'm there with you guys. I feel like I know 0:59:51.320 --> 0:59:52.760 you guys, like I've never met you in this might 0:59:52.800 --> 0:59:54.800 sound weird, but I feel like I know it. So 0:59:54.880 --> 0:59:58.200 I feel like it would be doing a giant in 0:59:58.400 --> 1:00:02.160 just service by editing out stuff that happened that maybe 1:00:02.200 --> 1:00:04.280 we don't want people to know about. And that's what 1:00:04.400 --> 1:00:06.840 I tell my partner's Brian and Eric, is you know, 1:00:06.920 --> 1:00:09.240 if we go into it and go into everything and 1:00:09.320 --> 1:00:12.320 it's not just this YouTube team we do, but if 1:00:12.400 --> 1:00:16.560 you do everything in life with a confidence that you 1:00:16.760 --> 1:00:20.240 think it's right. Do you think what you're doing is right? 1:00:20.760 --> 1:00:24.200 You should have nothing ever to hide. Right. You should 1:00:24.680 --> 1:00:27.440 your life should just be what you think is right. 1:00:27.480 --> 1:00:29.680 Maybe it's not right, but in your heart you're thinking 1:00:29.760 --> 1:00:32.439 it's That's why they say, like Zuckerberg's tap on your phone, 1:00:32.480 --> 1:00:34.760 I'm I don't give a ship get in there. Yeah, 1:00:35.200 --> 1:00:37.840 Like I always wonder that too, Like the people get 1:00:37.920 --> 1:00:40.080 so mad, I'm like, what are you hiding pictures of 1:00:40.160 --> 1:00:43.000 my son? And like you know, pictures of animals. Yeah, 1:00:43.440 --> 1:00:50.160 but guys, I have some pictures for you. But to 1:00:50.320 --> 1:00:53.200 go back to, uh, yeah, the honey thing. Like I 1:00:53.320 --> 1:00:56.320 tell Eric and Bryant, man, if we always go into 1:00:56.360 --> 1:01:00.800 every situation with hunting and say, hey, just do everything 1:01:00.920 --> 1:01:03.720 we think is right, then we should never have to 1:01:03.920 --> 1:01:07.160 cut anything out. Even though we get a hard time 1:01:07.240 --> 1:01:09.840 because we've showed a lot of a lot of misses 1:01:10.320 --> 1:01:13.320 or we've wounded animals and we've shown that and people 1:01:13.320 --> 1:01:15.400 are like, hey, like I thought you guys were supposed 1:01:15.440 --> 1:01:18.760 to be professional hunters and you wound animals all the time. 1:01:19.080 --> 1:01:21.000 I never see that on TV or so and so 1:01:21.160 --> 1:01:22.960 never does that. And I'm like, well, I don't know 1:01:23.040 --> 1:01:24.680 what so and so does, but I can tell you this. 1:01:25.280 --> 1:01:28.520 What you see is what really happens. Like I missed 1:01:30.120 --> 1:01:34.960 three what I would call awesome, the most beautiful access 1:01:35.080 --> 1:01:36.880 dear I've ever seen. I missed three of them this week, 1:01:37.760 --> 1:01:40.440 and I will show all of those. Yeah, and I 1:01:40.480 --> 1:01:42.120 didn't miss the last one. We have talked about this 1:01:42.200 --> 1:01:46.360 and I guess we're getting to it. But uh so anyway, yeah, 1:01:46.440 --> 1:01:48.920 so in my head that this this was last night, 1:01:49.000 --> 1:01:51.520 we go back out and I'm like, oh, so they 1:01:51.760 --> 1:01:55.240 don't jump the string, Like maybe they're a little different 1:01:55.320 --> 1:01:56.840 on this ranch. And that's what I was talking about, 1:01:56.840 --> 1:01:58.959 was like, look, this is a different place, a different ranch. 1:01:59.440 --> 1:02:02.200 These animals don't see a lot of folks. There's a 1:02:02.200 --> 1:02:05.600 lot of white tail hunters here, turkey hunters, um. But 1:02:06.080 --> 1:02:08.480 at some corners of this ranch where we were, you know, 1:02:08.560 --> 1:02:09.920 they let us out of the truck and let us 1:02:09.960 --> 1:02:12.560 go walking around to do our to just freelance to 1:02:12.640 --> 1:02:16.120 our thing. You know, maybe that these deer just are 1:02:16.120 --> 1:02:18.920 a little more comfortable than the ones uh in lan 1:02:19.040 --> 1:02:21.320 I or but maybe they just are wired a little 1:02:21.360 --> 1:02:24.040 bit differently. They have been pushed around as much um 1:02:24.360 --> 1:02:26.280 and maybe their nature is just a little bit dulled, 1:02:26.600 --> 1:02:28.800 because I do feel by nature that these these deers 1:02:28.840 --> 1:02:32.919 just a little bit more switched on. Yeah, so we're like, okay, yeah, 1:02:33.200 --> 1:02:35.520 you know, makes sense that one didn't jump the string 1:02:36.040 --> 1:02:38.160 go back to the same water hole. We we kind 1:02:38.200 --> 1:02:40.160 even knew the program because we'd watch these deer for 1:02:40.280 --> 1:02:43.440 so long and there was just an absolute ton of 1:02:43.520 --> 1:02:45.640 deer in there anyway. So we get set up on 1:02:45.680 --> 1:02:47.720 the water hole pretty early, had some deer come by. 1:02:47.720 --> 1:02:50.280 I had a ton of action come by anyway, about 1:02:50.320 --> 1:02:53.840 six o'clock magical hour or whatever, just like clockwork, just 1:02:54.240 --> 1:02:58.439 another beautiful buck comes in. And we had been set 1:02:58.520 --> 1:03:01.240 up on this road and then there was a fence 1:03:01.280 --> 1:03:03.840 on the other side of the road and the water 1:03:03.920 --> 1:03:06.960 hole set to our direct left. What I mean Ben 1:03:07.080 --> 1:03:11.320 saw in the morning was when these deer come out 1:03:11.320 --> 1:03:12.520 of the trees and go to the water hole, the 1:03:12.560 --> 1:03:15.400 majority of them would jump the fence and land on 1:03:15.440 --> 1:03:18.680 the road and then walk down this little funnel into 1:03:18.680 --> 1:03:20.560 the water hole. And so the way we set up 1:03:20.640 --> 1:03:23.200 our blind was behind the fence. This was going through 1:03:23.240 --> 1:03:24.640 my head. I don't know if you were thinking about this, 1:03:24.720 --> 1:03:26.800 but I was like, this is perfect because if they 1:03:26.880 --> 1:03:28.919 come and jump the fence where they were this morning 1:03:29.400 --> 1:03:32.640 when they jumped the fence there behind a tree, and 1:03:32.760 --> 1:03:35.320 they can't hear very well with them with their hooves 1:03:35.440 --> 1:03:37.880 landing on the gravel. So that's a great time to 1:03:37.960 --> 1:03:40.760 draw your bow. They walk out of the tree twenty 1:03:40.840 --> 1:03:45.840 yards it's easy. Yeah. So what we learned pretty early 1:03:46.000 --> 1:03:49.280 was the deer weren't doing our program. They were coming 1:03:49.320 --> 1:03:51.200 in behind us. So yeah, the problem is there's so 1:03:51.400 --> 1:03:53.120 many deer and they all want to get a drink 1:03:53.160 --> 1:03:56.160 with a hundred degrees and they're coming from every conceivable. 1:03:56.200 --> 1:03:58.480 So you have, yeah, deer coming in behind you barking 1:03:58.520 --> 1:04:00.400 at you that are scaring the other deer there supposed 1:04:00.400 --> 1:04:02.120 to be coming in anyway, it was fun that we 1:04:02.160 --> 1:04:04.640 had a blast. We had deer come in. We I 1:04:04.720 --> 1:04:06.600 think we ended up sitting on one of the most 1:04:06.680 --> 1:04:09.840 popular trails too could travel to the water hole because 1:04:10.120 --> 1:04:13.320 we had bucks that showed up like four yards away 1:04:13.320 --> 1:04:16.320 from us, and we're like wow, were like, maybe we're 1:04:16.320 --> 1:04:19.439 a little too close anyway, So finally this tear comes 1:04:19.640 --> 1:04:22.520 and jumps the fence. He he read the script like 1:04:22.600 --> 1:04:25.640 we wanted, jumps the fence, lands on the road. I 1:04:25.800 --> 1:04:30.040 draw my bow back and perfectly, and as soon as 1:04:30.080 --> 1:04:33.360 he lands, he decided he was going to run through 1:04:33.440 --> 1:04:35.520 the shooting window I had and just run to the 1:04:35.800 --> 1:04:38.320 water holes fast that he could. So he jumps the fence. 1:04:38.320 --> 1:04:40.120 I'm getting excited, like this is gonna work out just 1:04:40.320 --> 1:04:42.600 like we planned, like twenty yards shot, like and and 1:04:42.720 --> 1:04:44.720 in my head, I'm thinking about these things, like I'm 1:04:44.760 --> 1:04:46.800 thinking about my Missus from last year. I'm thinking about 1:04:46.840 --> 1:04:49.560 that sixty yard shot I took in the morning. Oh 1:04:49.640 --> 1:04:51.280 and there was a deer I missed at fifty two 1:04:51.320 --> 1:04:54.920 yards before that that came into the water hole. Okay, yeah, 1:04:54.960 --> 1:04:56.200 so this is a big part of the stories. Came 1:04:56.200 --> 1:04:58.320 into the water hole and it was fifty two yards 1:04:58.720 --> 1:05:03.080 and arrange him. He was a little on alert, ranged 1:05:03.160 --> 1:05:06.000 him and and uh Ben got the camera set up 1:05:06.080 --> 1:05:09.560 the best way he could and uh you can get 1:05:09.600 --> 1:05:13.200 you'll see if you watch the Hushing channel. You'll see 1:05:14.120 --> 1:05:17.080 the great a great oak tree. Yeah, I filmed during 1:05:17.840 --> 1:05:21.320 and that's it. He was drinking. I thought I had 1:05:21.400 --> 1:05:24.280 him dead dead right, Like I I felt very confident 1:05:24.360 --> 1:05:27.400 with that shot as well, aimed right at him, and 1:05:27.520 --> 1:05:29.720 he was, like I said, on un alert a little bit. 1:05:30.200 --> 1:05:33.280 But I felt like as soon as I touched that trigger, 1:05:33.440 --> 1:05:36.360 like yeah, he had spun in a D and eighty 1:05:36.440 --> 1:05:39.320 degree obviously and was running away before my arrow over 1:05:39.440 --> 1:05:41.440 got to where he was at, I was just like, 1:05:41.680 --> 1:05:44.360 oh wow, Like and I didn't think much of I 1:05:44.480 --> 1:05:47.680 just like what do you do there? Like? He just well, 1:05:47.760 --> 1:05:50.440 we kept talking about It's like, dude, you gotta you know, 1:05:50.600 --> 1:05:52.520 this is just a race that remembers you didn't do 1:05:52.520 --> 1:05:55.800 anything wrong. You didn't jump the trigger, you didn't make 1:05:55.840 --> 1:05:58.360 a bad shot, you didn't rush it, do anything. It's 1:05:58.400 --> 1:06:02.120 like this. Continue to go and and and make these 1:06:02.160 --> 1:06:04.960 decisions and and so far they're all have been the right. 1:06:05.000 --> 1:06:06.959 Well and you're not. You didn't go to a knee 1:06:07.000 --> 1:06:09.520 when you shouldn't have. If you didn't, you lose your form. 1:06:09.680 --> 1:06:12.240 You didn't you know, try to watch the arrow. I 1:06:12.360 --> 1:06:14.840 was staying right, sigeant tell all those things. But then 1:06:14.960 --> 1:06:17.720 you know, here's the situation where you do everything right 1:06:17.760 --> 1:06:20.400 and still and still you have no control. Yeah, and 1:06:20.640 --> 1:06:22.880 I think that's a good thing to make mention of. 1:06:23.120 --> 1:06:25.960 Is man Like, these are wild animals. They do some 1:06:26.040 --> 1:06:29.160 pretty crazy things. They survive in this country. Like all 1:06:29.160 --> 1:06:31.320 those things we just talked about that I'm definitely afraid 1:06:31.360 --> 1:06:34.080 of and worried about. They survived that three sixty five 1:06:34.160 --> 1:06:37.320 days a year, ticks, rattlesnakes, all that. Anyway, So yeah, 1:06:37.360 --> 1:06:39.800 they're gonna win something, right. I don't feel like we lost. 1:06:39.880 --> 1:06:42.800 They just win something. Well, that's what. Yeah. Sometimes it 1:06:42.960 --> 1:06:46.320 just goes their way and that's honey, it shouldn't be. 1:06:47.360 --> 1:06:52.040 And I get that anyway. So that's in my head. 1:06:52.160 --> 1:06:54.080 But I didn't think much of it. Like you said, 1:06:54.240 --> 1:06:56.560 I think feel like we do everything right. So this 1:06:56.680 --> 1:06:59.000 deer reads the program and he reads the script and 1:06:59.240 --> 1:07:01.120 it's following the program we want. And he jumps a 1:07:01.200 --> 1:07:03.919 fence and like I said, he was supposed to jump 1:07:04.280 --> 1:07:06.240 and land on the road like most of them, to stop, 1:07:06.360 --> 1:07:08.720 look around, and then walk out of the pine. When 1:07:08.760 --> 1:07:11.000 I'm at full draw or it's not a pine tree, 1:07:11.160 --> 1:07:13.919 walk out of the tree at full draw twenty two yards. 1:07:13.960 --> 1:07:16.840 I think it was what it ranged at. Shoot him, 1:07:17.040 --> 1:07:18.840 and and then in my head, I'm like, Okay, this 1:07:19.000 --> 1:07:21.680 is that shot I need. I need that confidence builder 1:07:21.760 --> 1:07:25.000 where I pulled back. I'm good for a while. I 1:07:25.120 --> 1:07:28.960 feel good. You know, it gets solid. Fifteen seconds, twenty seconds, 1:07:29.000 --> 1:07:32.040 You're feeling good. You're thinking about these things. He walks out, 1:07:32.480 --> 1:07:34.480 you make a noise, wait for him to stop, you 1:07:34.800 --> 1:07:37.520 shoot him, make a perfect shot, and you watch him die. Yeah. 1:07:37.960 --> 1:07:39.960 Well he jumps a fence and all this stuff going 1:07:39.960 --> 1:07:42.440 through my head, and for some reason, in my head, 1:07:42.480 --> 1:07:45.160 I think there was some other deer there. I think 1:07:45.200 --> 1:07:47.400 he was trying to be the aggressor. And so he 1:07:47.480 --> 1:07:49.440 jumps a fence and just runs to the water hole 1:07:49.480 --> 1:07:51.480 as fast as you can, and all the other deer runaway. 1:07:51.640 --> 1:07:54.520 So now you have this opportunity that you visualized and 1:07:54.600 --> 1:07:57.640 you're prepared for it, and you're drawn and it's like 1:07:57.880 --> 1:08:03.120 I got it. Damn Yeah. I was like what I 1:08:03.280 --> 1:08:06.280 was like, what is this? Where's he going? And he 1:08:06.320 --> 1:08:09.360 gets to the water hole and once again like he 1:08:09.440 --> 1:08:11.840 goes to the water hole search feeding, and he was 1:08:11.960 --> 1:08:13.920 not on high alard at all. I didn't think he 1:08:14.040 --> 1:08:16.160 wasn't at all. He's drinking. Yeah, And I had ranged 1:08:16.240 --> 1:08:18.720 that spot and it was thirty one yards. And I 1:08:19.439 --> 1:08:23.200 would say this about highlard. I think any animal a 1:08:23.280 --> 1:08:26.600 lot of unglods, but but acts deer inarticular are on 1:08:26.760 --> 1:08:30.080 high alard at some level. Try it all the time, 1:08:30.120 --> 1:08:32.639 but definitely in a water hole. He wasn't looking around. 1:08:32.760 --> 1:08:35.880 He wasn't like barking like some had been. He wasn't 1:08:35.920 --> 1:08:37.920 looking at us. No, he wasn't looking at us. I 1:08:38.000 --> 1:08:40.840 think he spooked those deer off and he was kind 1:08:40.840 --> 1:08:43.000 of just watching them and then he went to go water. 1:08:43.960 --> 1:08:46.559 He was thirty one yards. I was set at thirty 1:08:46.640 --> 1:08:49.200 yards like I'm like, show me your pin afterwards like yeah, 1:08:49.360 --> 1:08:51.960 I'm like okay, Like it's not the twenty yards shop 1:08:51.960 --> 1:08:55.320 at the third yard. This is like the shot was 1:08:55.720 --> 1:08:57.600 it was. It felt good, like all right. I was 1:08:57.680 --> 1:09:01.680 like you wanna Ben been rounding the camera and all 1:09:01.680 --> 1:09:03.439 those things are on ahead, and I'm like, okay, put 1:09:03.479 --> 1:09:06.320 the pen exactly where you want to hit thirty one yards. 1:09:06.640 --> 1:09:10.120 You know he's not looking at us, like you know, 1:09:10.240 --> 1:09:11.920 we had just been told they don't duck. I'm like, 1:09:11.960 --> 1:09:16.360 all right, perfect, settled the pen, felt comfortable. Remember checking 1:09:16.400 --> 1:09:20.800 my bubble. I remember, I remember thinking, just follow through. 1:09:21.960 --> 1:09:26.800 I shoot and instantly like I'm like, whoa, he moved 1:09:26.800 --> 1:09:30.920 a lot and him running away. My initial reaction was 1:09:31.840 --> 1:09:35.000 damn it, like I just made a bad shot because 1:09:35.040 --> 1:09:37.400 I could see the arrow and to me, it looked 1:09:37.400 --> 1:09:41.599 like the arrow had gone through just above it. Look 1:09:41.640 --> 1:09:43.240 to me, it looked like he went through his backstrap 1:09:43.360 --> 1:09:46.040 just below the spine and it was sticking out the 1:09:46.080 --> 1:09:48.720 other side with the fletching still embedded in his in 1:09:48.840 --> 1:09:52.439 his hide and it it was super high. And I 1:09:52.560 --> 1:09:54.840 was just like, oh, great, nice Ben, He's like yeah, 1:09:54.880 --> 1:09:58.000 it sounded good like And so then we watched the 1:09:58.120 --> 1:10:01.040 video back and try to figure out where he ran. 1:10:01.160 --> 1:10:05.960 Ben founded two drops of blood and we tracked around 1:10:06.000 --> 1:10:08.600 for two two and a half three hours until they 1:10:08.600 --> 1:10:12.719 can't pick up but um watching and it was weird, 1:10:12.800 --> 1:10:15.559 like the video was weird, like at one point we're like, oh, 1:10:15.680 --> 1:10:19.040 you smoked him or perfect shot. Oh you hit him high, 1:10:19.200 --> 1:10:21.519 high shoulder, and then it was like you might hit 1:10:21.600 --> 1:10:23.840 him in the backstrap. Bro, It's tough to see on 1:10:23.880 --> 1:10:26.600 that little camera. But brought the footage back, watched it 1:10:26.680 --> 1:10:30.800 on the laptop. The first time we watched we were like, yeah, dude, 1:10:31.400 --> 1:10:35.000 literally his belly hit the ground. Well, not only did 1:10:35.160 --> 1:10:37.640 belly hit the ground, but his haunches went down and 1:10:37.800 --> 1:10:41.080 he was like turning his body. And I've seen that 1:10:41.120 --> 1:10:43.280 a lot with access there. I've seen that arrow gets 1:10:43.360 --> 1:10:47.360 there and their body is contorted and your arrow might 1:10:47.439 --> 1:10:49.439 hit him. You might be aiming for their long you know, 1:10:49.720 --> 1:10:51.639 front shoulder, and you might hit him at the top 1:10:51.760 --> 1:10:54.920 of the spot, right at their tail. Yeah, there's so 1:10:55.080 --> 1:10:57.720 much They're turning and ducky in the same time, so 1:10:57.840 --> 1:11:00.880 they're they're reacting in the natural wind and and ducking 1:11:00.960 --> 1:11:05.479 and turning and so yeah, man, we found zero drops 1:11:05.520 --> 1:11:07.360 of blood, Like, well, we found two little drops of 1:11:07.400 --> 1:11:09.160 blood right where we knew we ran and then watch 1:11:09.200 --> 1:11:12.000 the video and Saltwary went out of sight and tracked 1:11:12.040 --> 1:11:14.840 around and saw nothing, I mean nothing, and then came 1:11:14.840 --> 1:11:16.720 back here and got with the crew and then looked 1:11:16.760 --> 1:11:18.800 at the video and it was pretty apparent that they're 1:11:19.000 --> 1:11:22.000 kind of like entered right at his backstrap and kicked 1:11:22.080 --> 1:11:23.840 up and just got it was just under the high 1:11:23.840 --> 1:11:25.320 and it was sticking straight up in the air as 1:11:25.360 --> 1:11:27.840 he was running, and so we're reading that as a 1:11:27.920 --> 1:11:30.519 pass through it. Well, it was. It wouldn't even it 1:11:30.640 --> 1:11:33.479 barely looked like a barely nicked him, you know, just 1:11:33.600 --> 1:11:38.040 got in some meat just inside hot. And so now 1:11:38.080 --> 1:11:40.080 if you got to you know, you've got this. And 1:11:40.360 --> 1:11:42.479 and the rule here is if you if you draw blood, 1:11:42.600 --> 1:11:44.960 that's your tag. Yeah, that's your animals, your that's your animal. 1:11:45.000 --> 1:11:48.320 Which which is which changed the game in a good way? Well, yeah, 1:11:48.320 --> 1:11:50.640 because if you get a bunch of eight holes like 1:11:50.720 --> 1:11:53.200 me run around flean arrows and everything, and you're not 1:11:53.240 --> 1:11:56.000 gonna have animals. Yeah. Yeah, it's a great little lotter 1:11:56.000 --> 1:11:57.880 of ranches are like that. So and I accepted. I'm 1:11:57.920 --> 1:12:00.799 just like, yeah, it is what it is, like it sucks, 1:12:01.160 --> 1:12:03.479 but you know, I was like, hey, you know, watching 1:12:03.520 --> 1:12:05.760 the video back, it's like, you know, I think a 1:12:05.800 --> 1:12:07.240 lot of times when you shoot at an animal, they 1:12:07.240 --> 1:12:09.680 don't know what's going on. They don't know what that 1:12:09.840 --> 1:12:12.200 sound is. They just hear something and they might feel 1:12:12.200 --> 1:12:15.160 a little prick or a little poke and they run off. 1:12:15.200 --> 1:12:17.360 And sometimes they think, you know, especially now with what 1:12:17.439 --> 1:12:19.479 I'm running, they might think, oh it's a it was 1:12:19.520 --> 1:12:22.360 another buck that like came in behind me, sparred me 1:12:22.479 --> 1:12:25.120 or something. So I was in my head. I'm like, oh, 1:12:25.200 --> 1:12:27.360 I bet that animal, that buck will come back in 1:12:27.400 --> 1:12:29.880 the morning. You know they're rutting hard. He's not gonna leave. 1:12:30.320 --> 1:12:32.680 So we went back and sat and he never came in. 1:12:32.840 --> 1:12:36.320 But had another phenomenal morning. But when I was going 1:12:36.400 --> 1:12:37.720 with this, when I was telling you, like I had 1:12:37.760 --> 1:12:40.720 this little experience when I, uh so, today was like 1:12:40.840 --> 1:12:43.920 meat hunting day for me, like, hopefully this buck comes in. 1:12:44.080 --> 1:12:46.760 If not, um, I had a chance to kill it 1:12:46.840 --> 1:12:49.920 though as well. And that's you know, my wife has 1:12:49.960 --> 1:12:54.280 been like you better bring something home because we're fresh 1:12:54.360 --> 1:12:57.920 out of steaks at the Butler household right now. Anyway, 1:12:57.960 --> 1:13:00.160 so today was meat hunting there for me and uh 1:13:00.320 --> 1:13:03.759 we had a phenomenal morning Cal. We watched Cal shoot 1:13:04.080 --> 1:13:08.360 a beautiful access deer which is stickbow. Like, I don't 1:13:08.400 --> 1:13:11.600 think a lot of games that the long bow the 1:13:11.680 --> 1:13:13.559 long bow. I don't think there's a lot of games 1:13:13.600 --> 1:13:17.400 out there doing that. I've never seen it. Yeah, it's 1:13:18.680 --> 1:13:22.760 it ain't easy. So another phenomenal morning we do. We 1:13:22.840 --> 1:13:25.360 took a rifle with us. We're like, hey, worst case scenario, like, 1:13:26.000 --> 1:13:28.080 uh yeah, let's we'll take the rifle and we can 1:13:28.080 --> 1:13:32.040 shoot a couple of those with it, and um Cal 1:13:32.640 --> 1:13:34.120 shot his buck and then shot a doe with the 1:13:34.400 --> 1:13:37.800 with the rifle and it was super fun. And then 1:13:37.840 --> 1:13:39.000 I was like, Hey, I'm gonna walk up on this 1:13:39.080 --> 1:13:42.200 hill where we we'd seen a big group going and uh, 1:13:43.080 --> 1:13:45.160 see if I can find it, don't shoot one. Well 1:13:45.200 --> 1:13:46.200 I got up there and there was a lot of 1:13:46.240 --> 1:13:49.080 deer up there, and uh I snuck in. It was 1:13:49.160 --> 1:13:51.360 super fun there and there was literally hundreds of deer 1:13:51.400 --> 1:13:53.439 and I was like, and the problem was was I 1:13:53.520 --> 1:13:57.280 was trying to find a dough that was not covered 1:13:57.360 --> 1:14:00.280 up by another by another animal or there was an 1:14:00.320 --> 1:14:05.840 animal behind her, and dude, I had opportunities to shoot 1:14:05.880 --> 1:14:08.280 those and I couldn't do it. I was too worried 1:14:08.280 --> 1:14:13.560 about missing. It was running through my head so strongly 1:14:13.840 --> 1:14:16.679 like that I was, and I there was a point 1:14:17.000 --> 1:14:20.639 that I stopped. I'm like, man, this is bad. I'm 1:14:20.680 --> 1:14:23.880 in a bad place, like and they and they were 1:14:23.920 --> 1:14:27.120 eighty yards away with a rifle. Yeah yeah, And I 1:14:27.160 --> 1:14:28.920 could see it in you too, And but I got 1:14:28.960 --> 1:14:31.680 there just a couple like three weeks ago, to the 1:14:31.720 --> 1:14:33.640 point where like you, when you draw your back, I 1:14:33.720 --> 1:14:37.960 hope this doesn't go bad. And that is the exact 1:14:38.600 --> 1:14:41.800 thing that leads it to to going bad. And when 1:14:41.800 --> 1:14:43.920 you're lucky enough to go, you know, have a pretty 1:14:44.240 --> 1:14:47.080 packed hunting schedule that that just snowballs and it gets 1:14:47.120 --> 1:14:50.479 to the point where your practice becomes lacka days ago 1:14:50.600 --> 1:14:53.240 because you're thinking about like the agony of this thing. 1:14:54.080 --> 1:14:55.479 And I think a lot of ways that's why hunting 1:14:55.479 --> 1:14:57.720 we love it so much, because we can't experience this 1:14:57.880 --> 1:15:03.160 like pretty acute agony that comes from having this desire 1:15:03.240 --> 1:15:05.200 to get this thing, and and and the wounding of 1:15:05.240 --> 1:15:07.800 an animal in and of itself is a terrible thing, 1:15:08.000 --> 1:15:10.400 terrible feeling. You feel almost better, it's like it's just 1:15:10.439 --> 1:15:13.479 a flesh when you feel better, but still um. When 1:15:13.520 --> 1:15:18.080 I shot that elkin, and even when it was and 1:15:18.200 --> 1:15:19.759 I knew we were going to kill with a rifle, 1:15:20.040 --> 1:15:22.640 I was just thinking, man, if somebody shot me in 1:15:22.720 --> 1:15:26.040 the guts with an arrow. I don't know if that's 1:15:26.080 --> 1:15:30.200 compassion or some sort of just reflection or what that 1:15:30.360 --> 1:15:33.280 feeling is, how you would judge that feeling. But it's 1:15:33.439 --> 1:15:36.880 intense ship it's not it's no joke, and it doesn't 1:15:36.920 --> 1:15:38.800 feel good and you and you're just like, I don't 1:15:38.800 --> 1:15:40.320 want to feel that again and I don't want that 1:15:40.400 --> 1:15:43.680 animal to feel that again. And it's almost you know, 1:15:44.280 --> 1:15:45.960 I don't know if I want to fling this arrow. Well, 1:15:46.000 --> 1:15:48.040 I think it's important and maybe that's why we have 1:15:48.160 --> 1:15:50.160 to go through some of these times. Is I think 1:15:50.240 --> 1:15:54.080 it's important that you recognize that you still have that 1:15:55.000 --> 1:15:58.040 you still feel that compassion. Like we've been able to hunt. 1:15:58.080 --> 1:16:00.280 We're very fortunate people and being able to you know, 1:16:00.720 --> 1:16:02.720 travel all over and do a lot of hunting and 1:16:03.040 --> 1:16:07.040 kill a lot of animals. And I feel like if 1:16:07.080 --> 1:16:09.320 you ever lost that, that's probably a good time to 1:16:09.479 --> 1:16:14.080 like reconsider a re establish. Yeah, And I think your 1:16:14.120 --> 1:16:17.519 passion for why you're hunting because and I don't know 1:16:17.640 --> 1:16:20.840 it if it's yeah, compassion for the animal. And that's 1:16:21.000 --> 1:16:22.720 the way I feel. It's the way I look at 1:16:22.760 --> 1:16:26.400 it is. You know, I always think this, this animal 1:16:26.720 --> 1:16:30.519 is living right now, and with one action, I can 1:16:30.960 --> 1:16:34.200 make his make that animal's life end. And I want 1:16:34.240 --> 1:16:36.840 to do it the fastest way possible. Yeah, I want 1:16:36.880 --> 1:16:38.840 to make the very best shot and so it doesn't 1:16:38.840 --> 1:16:40.760 feel it. And I don't think animals think those same 1:16:40.800 --> 1:16:43.040 way humans do, like oh my gosh, I've just been shot, 1:16:43.120 --> 1:16:44.800 like they feel steeing, they run off and they don't 1:16:44.800 --> 1:16:47.000 know what's going on. They're like, oh, I'm sick, I 1:16:47.120 --> 1:16:49.639 better lay down, yeah, and then hopefully they die quick. 1:16:51.040 --> 1:16:53.560 But yeah, So I got to the spot where I was, 1:16:54.040 --> 1:16:55.960 I couldn't get myself to pull the trigger. I was 1:16:56.040 --> 1:16:59.280 too worried. I was too worried about missing the deer. 1:16:59.520 --> 1:17:01.920 I was too worried about hitting the deer in a 1:17:02.000 --> 1:17:05.800 bad spot. And then me being like, really, like what 1:17:06.080 --> 1:17:09.479 the hell am I doing out here? Like I shouldn't 1:17:09.520 --> 1:17:12.320 be out here, And it took me. I was up 1:17:12.360 --> 1:17:14.479 there for what twenty minutes. I was on those deer 1:17:14.560 --> 1:17:16.880 within like two minutes of leaving you guys for five minutes, 1:17:17.280 --> 1:17:18.720 and I was trying to get myself to pull the 1:17:18.800 --> 1:17:23.120 damn trigger. And finally I was just like, I can 1:17:23.200 --> 1:17:27.120 do this. I've done this before numerous times, and just 1:17:27.280 --> 1:17:30.320 calm down a little bit and kill it still. Yeah, 1:17:30.920 --> 1:17:33.280 and I shot it. In a long story short, I 1:17:33.360 --> 1:17:35.519 get down there and I heard the whack. But after 1:17:35.760 --> 1:17:39.160 you've gone through a number of these experiences, this is 1:17:39.200 --> 1:17:41.880 where it goes back to the two most important things 1:17:41.920 --> 1:17:44.080 for me anyways, when I go on a hunt, is 1:17:44.120 --> 1:17:47.439 being comfortable or being confident in my equipment and being 1:17:47.479 --> 1:17:51.599 confident in myself r. Yeah, and like you said, I've 1:17:51.720 --> 1:17:54.320 lost that. Yeah, you'll lose it because you just start 1:17:54.439 --> 1:17:57.800 questioning everything. Yeah, because and that's like these this stuff 1:17:57.880 --> 1:18:00.240 is so intense that and it should be in tense. 1:18:00.280 --> 1:18:04.240 And I think if you were here, just like if 1:18:04.320 --> 1:18:08.960 you were here just shooting from meat only right, um, 1:18:10.240 --> 1:18:13.680 it probably wouldn't be as intense if and if you're 1:18:13.720 --> 1:18:16.200 here just trophy hunting, it probably wouldn't be as intense 1:18:16.680 --> 1:18:21.479 because objectively, those things make you look at the animal differently. 1:18:21.960 --> 1:18:24.320 But when you're here for this experience and you and 1:18:24.760 --> 1:18:26.840 the experience is important and you and you want that 1:18:26.920 --> 1:18:29.200 experience to be full in a way that ends with 1:18:29.320 --> 1:18:32.479 the you know, the proper result, the result that should 1:18:32.640 --> 1:18:35.400 that it should end. And like you're the you're the 1:18:35.439 --> 1:18:37.240 one who makes it happen one way or the other. 1:18:37.520 --> 1:18:40.599 It's either a good experience or about or a good 1:18:40.640 --> 1:18:43.760 result or a bad experience separate from that. And so 1:18:43.920 --> 1:18:47.040 those connections, man, when you're truly just in it for 1:18:47.200 --> 1:18:51.200 the the experience, the results, when they're bad, man, they 1:18:51.320 --> 1:18:54.320 just get in your head and continue to eat at 1:18:54.360 --> 1:18:57.720 you and for me too, I like, I'm sure you're saying, well, 1:18:57.720 --> 1:18:59.800 even you wound something, you're sick about it for months. 1:19:00.000 --> 1:19:02.320 I was sick about that Elk for months, still am, 1:19:02.760 --> 1:19:06.720 And yeah he's dead. I hate him. He's hanging on 1:19:06.800 --> 1:19:12.639 my wall. Um. But this is that like in thebility, 1:19:12.680 --> 1:19:15.880 you know when when Michael Jordan's misses a jump shot, 1:19:17.080 --> 1:19:20.879 no big deal. Yeah, no one or nothing is directly 1:19:20.960 --> 1:19:25.439 affect Maybe some guys gambling on the camp, but whatever affective. 1:19:25.479 --> 1:19:27.200 And that's why we've chosen I don't know, maybe why 1:19:27.240 --> 1:19:30.280 we've chosen this thing because it is It is such 1:19:30.320 --> 1:19:33.400 an it is such a visceral thing to have to do, 1:19:34.400 --> 1:19:37.200 and sometimes I'm thinking like, hey, maybe that maybe I 1:19:37.400 --> 1:19:39.920 chose it, and I'm so I feel like such a 1:19:40.000 --> 1:19:42.679 better person for having done it because it is this way. 1:19:43.439 --> 1:19:45.960 If it wasn't this way, I'd have to quit doing it. 1:19:46.760 --> 1:19:49.479 Like if the missing and the failure wasn't such a 1:19:49.560 --> 1:19:55.599 gut wrencher Man, I walk away right now because that, Yeah, 1:19:55.680 --> 1:19:58.439 I don't. I know guys, and I've talked to people 1:19:58.600 --> 1:20:01.439 and I hear stories. You know, they'll go out and 1:20:02.520 --> 1:20:04.960 for whatever reason wound four or five different you know, 1:20:05.280 --> 1:20:08.400 critters in his season, and man, we'll get them next year. 1:20:08.479 --> 1:20:13.840 Like I feel like, obviously we're on the same page, Riot, 1:20:13.880 --> 1:20:18.519 but we have we have a very uh we hold 1:20:18.560 --> 1:20:21.680 the responsibility of taking an animal really high, right, Like 1:20:21.920 --> 1:20:25.360 it's still very important for the purposes of it. But 1:20:25.680 --> 1:20:28.439 like you say, like killing animal e and meat is 1:20:29.080 --> 1:20:32.280 I think the benefit of being able to go out 1:20:32.320 --> 1:20:34.640 and hunt. But you have to enjoy all of it, 1:20:35.200 --> 1:20:38.160 enjoy the experience. Yet, I mean, you can't honestly say, 1:20:38.400 --> 1:20:41.559 and I've said this before, it as I hunt to eat. 1:20:42.120 --> 1:20:43.960 That's true. I eat everything I hunt, and I love 1:20:44.000 --> 1:20:44.920 the fact that I don't have to go to the 1:20:44.960 --> 1:20:47.080 grocery store by red meat to feed in the family. 1:20:47.160 --> 1:20:50.800 We have it. But if you don't enjoy the whole 1:20:51.040 --> 1:20:55.439 process of the hunt or of hunting, then you're missing out. 1:20:55.600 --> 1:20:57.960 And when I say the whole process, I mean everything 1:20:58.760 --> 1:21:01.719 this stuff that we're talking out is part of the process. 1:21:02.800 --> 1:21:05.080 It's getting ready for a hunt. It's it could be 1:21:05.400 --> 1:21:07.559 getting a bow ready, it could be scouting, it could 1:21:07.560 --> 1:21:10.360 be getting time off work, it could be convincing your 1:21:10.439 --> 1:21:12.479 wife that you can go on attendee hunt. Whatever it is, 1:21:12.560 --> 1:21:14.560 it's the whole experience. And then then you have the 1:21:14.680 --> 1:21:18.000 hunt itself and you go through these you have these 1:21:18.040 --> 1:21:20.640 experiences that we're talking about and they're the lows, but 1:21:20.760 --> 1:21:22.599 don't like doesn't also get you, Like we're getting real 1:21:22.680 --> 1:21:24.720 deep down the rabbit hole now, but it doesn't get you. 1:21:25.680 --> 1:21:29.400 It gives your perspective possible or an arm or an 1:21:29.479 --> 1:21:33.920 armed deal, give fucking leprosy from this I'm talking about that. 1:21:34.840 --> 1:21:37.719 I think it gives you perspective in your daily life. 1:21:38.040 --> 1:21:40.360 Like people I know that are that really are into 1:21:40.439 --> 1:21:43.320 hunting and into it for what I believe or like 1:21:43.439 --> 1:21:46.160 the most the right reasons, of the enriching reasons are 1:21:46.200 --> 1:21:50.599 people that have this, you know, incredibly pragmatic approach to life. 1:21:51.920 --> 1:21:54.000 Like you kind of see you can see a little bit. 1:21:54.640 --> 1:21:57.040 You can see the thin veneer of bullshit a lot 1:21:57.080 --> 1:21:59.400 of times because you have been in the situations where 1:21:59.439 --> 1:22:02.080 you work so hard for something and it's not a 1:22:02.240 --> 1:22:05.120 drive to the green that if you shank it in 1:22:05.160 --> 1:22:09.720 the weeds, nobody cares. It's not a race that you 1:22:09.920 --> 1:22:12.840 want are lost. It's not. It's just not. And and 1:22:13.840 --> 1:22:16.880 whether you know, people can make comparisons to other activities 1:22:16.960 --> 1:22:19.600 that are leisure activities, which this at some level is 1:22:19.880 --> 1:22:23.000 it is um because we're not hungry. We're going hunting 1:22:23.360 --> 1:22:25.759 people that can have a sandwich, but we're not starving, 1:22:27.000 --> 1:22:31.160 and like that's just the end result is serious, really 1:22:31.240 --> 1:22:34.200 serious in a lot of ways. So I don't know, 1:22:34.280 --> 1:22:37.000 and I think it's just when somebody's training very hard 1:22:37.080 --> 1:22:40.320 for the Olympics, it has a big impact on their 1:22:40.439 --> 1:22:44.679 life and and an ancillery impact on the lives of others, 1:22:45.920 --> 1:22:49.519 but they're not they're not killing something. Well, yeah, I 1:22:49.600 --> 1:22:52.080 guess a good way to think about it. And when 1:22:52.120 --> 1:22:53.960 you just said what you said, it made me think 1:22:53.960 --> 1:22:56.760 about like you never you work a lot. You work 1:22:56.800 --> 1:22:58.560 hard at a lot of things in your life, like 1:22:58.640 --> 1:23:01.320 a career, it could be your marriage, it could be 1:23:01.439 --> 1:23:03.599 being a good dad, like you work hard at different things, 1:23:03.800 --> 1:23:06.639 or being good at you know, a sport, but none 1:23:06.640 --> 1:23:11.200 of Like we work really hard and prepare and try 1:23:11.280 --> 1:23:14.760 to prepare as best as we can so that we 1:23:15.280 --> 1:23:19.240 can take an animal's life. That's when we are what 1:23:19.600 --> 1:23:22.920 you know, success that we can talk about what levels 1:23:22.960 --> 1:23:24.960 of success a hunt can be if you don't kill 1:23:25.080 --> 1:23:27.760 some whatever. But like to to get to the point 1:23:27.840 --> 1:23:30.720 that we're trying to get and when we finally get 1:23:30.800 --> 1:23:33.600 to that point. That's an animal time. That is the 1:23:33.640 --> 1:23:37.240 point we're trying to ye like like wait, hold on, 1:23:37.360 --> 1:23:39.639 you just spent how much money and how much time 1:23:40.160 --> 1:23:42.760 shot all those arrows went to all these shoots all 1:23:42.840 --> 1:23:46.400 over the country, bought all this expensive equipment like something 1:23:46.439 --> 1:23:49.760 that to get to a point where you take something's life. 1:23:50.120 --> 1:23:53.479 I understand sometimes, like why people look at this sport 1:23:53.520 --> 1:23:56.280 if we if we don't do a good job of 1:23:56.360 --> 1:24:00.360 promoting and say, man, that's pretty messed up. Yeah. I 1:24:00.479 --> 1:24:03.439 get that too, Yeah, and I think I think it's 1:24:03.520 --> 1:24:05.360 mess They things messed up because of the reasons that 1:24:05.439 --> 1:24:08.320 you do it. That's why you're always talking about reasoning 1:24:08.439 --> 1:24:10.960 and we're talking about value systems. And I think that's 1:24:11.000 --> 1:24:13.519 why we're always talking about that stuff because god sakes, 1:24:14.160 --> 1:24:18.160 we're killing stuff like today that dough you shot, like 1:24:18.280 --> 1:24:23.080 she we watched the life fucking be gone from her eyes. 1:24:23.320 --> 1:24:27.280 We watched three lives. I mean watched them, not just 1:24:27.400 --> 1:24:29.679 like came up on them. Yeah, we watched the whole 1:24:29.840 --> 1:24:32.200 watch like looking in their eyes to see when their 1:24:32.200 --> 1:24:35.000 eyes are dull instead of life, life, full of life, 1:24:35.200 --> 1:24:40.160 or like lifeless. Man, that's heavy. And if you're listen, 1:24:41.520 --> 1:24:44.200 I'm not saying you're messed up, but I'm saying if 1:24:44.280 --> 1:24:48.840 you're celebrating at that moment, like if you mean even 1:24:48.880 --> 1:24:50.479 cow stood over his buck and just kind of like 1:24:50.560 --> 1:24:54.160 looking at each other, like we weren't talking about the shot, 1:24:54.280 --> 1:24:58.080 which was amazing, or the fact that, yeah, Ryan Callahan 1:24:58.920 --> 1:25:03.160 shot him giant access buck with a long stick, which 1:25:03.240 --> 1:25:05.360 is amazing. And we were there, yeah, and we were 1:25:05.360 --> 1:25:07.599 that's what we were there to do, and we were 1:25:07.880 --> 1:25:09.760 like that was what was laying on the ground dying 1:25:09.840 --> 1:25:15.160 was success and um like we didn't we weren't unpack 1:25:15.240 --> 1:25:16.840 and all that. We were just looking at this deer like, 1:25:16.880 --> 1:25:19.360 holy ship, this thing is dying at our feet. And 1:25:19.520 --> 1:25:24.120 that's not something to jump around about. It's not something 1:25:24.200 --> 1:25:29.160 too pumped your fist about. Something to just take in 1:25:29.720 --> 1:25:34.840 and at some levels learned from. But it's definitely not 1:25:35.040 --> 1:25:38.880 something that it's success. And like maybe the worst way, 1:25:40.200 --> 1:25:45.360 it's like we're reluctantly we just did this, but and 1:25:45.600 --> 1:25:47.160 we want to do it and we're happy we did it, 1:25:47.360 --> 1:25:50.559 but this thing is dead now or it's dying, it's 1:25:50.600 --> 1:25:55.160 fucking sufferings. You know that's not good. We whitewashed that 1:25:55.240 --> 1:25:58.320 out of our minds when we go hunting, probably for 1:25:58.320 --> 1:25:59.880 a lot of reasons, because it's a heavy thing that 1:26:00.000 --> 1:26:03.840 even talk about for me right now, um, and so 1:26:04.520 --> 1:26:07.639 maybe we just ignore it for that reason. Yeah, I think, 1:26:08.120 --> 1:26:12.639 I mean fortunately, like the way it usually goes down 1:26:12.800 --> 1:26:16.160 is you're shoot an animal from a hundred two hundred 1:26:16.240 --> 1:26:19.360 yards away with a rifle, or you shoot elk with 1:26:19.439 --> 1:26:21.720 your bow at forty yards and they run off and 1:26:21.760 --> 1:26:25.519 die in the trees exactly exactly, and you don't I 1:26:25.920 --> 1:26:30.400 feel like we we talked about all the time that 1:26:31.160 --> 1:26:34.519 that that sucks sometimes, like I don't like to see 1:26:35.439 --> 1:26:39.160 that happened, Like I like to see the animal death. 1:26:39.439 --> 1:26:41.800 I don't want sometimes don't want to be there when 1:26:41.840 --> 1:26:44.280 it has has to happen. Right. Well, and think about 1:26:44.280 --> 1:26:46.439 I've taken new hunters. I think the one thing that's 1:26:46.520 --> 1:26:51.599 consistent with new hunters, I've taken a few here recently 1:26:51.680 --> 1:26:54.160 took one young lady who we shot a havelina and 1:26:54.200 --> 1:26:56.560 it was kicking around and all she could say to 1:26:56.600 --> 1:26:58.760 me was like, make stop, make stop, make stopping stop. 1:27:00.120 --> 1:27:02.280 I'm like, it's you know, it's die, it's just nerves. 1:27:02.360 --> 1:27:06.400 It's dead. But that's that's it. That's death. Yeah, and 1:27:06.479 --> 1:27:07.920 if every time you ate a hamburg you had to 1:27:07.960 --> 1:27:10.560 watch the fucking life go out of the eyes of 1:27:10.600 --> 1:27:15.800 the cow boy, hamburgers would taste different. Well you know 1:27:16.320 --> 1:27:20.800 that's I guess that's why I feel, uh such a 1:27:20.840 --> 1:27:26.720 responsibility with what we do is um we put When 1:27:26.800 --> 1:27:29.280 I say we put everything out there, how it's how 1:27:29.360 --> 1:27:32.559 it happens. I mean I take that pretty serious because 1:27:32.600 --> 1:27:35.680 I think that's important. Like I think it's important not 1:27:35.800 --> 1:27:38.080 only for our audience, but I think it's important for 1:27:38.760 --> 1:27:42.719 like my wife, my kids. Like my wife didn't understand hunting, 1:27:42.760 --> 1:27:44.840 like she grew up in a hunting family, her dad hunted, 1:27:44.880 --> 1:27:48.679 her grandparents hunted. You know, we've been married for fourteen years, 1:27:48.840 --> 1:27:53.040 but she didn't understand like the seriousness that I take hunting, 1:27:53.080 --> 1:27:56.280 I guess until we started making these once. So I 1:27:56.400 --> 1:27:58.960 created the Hush Channel and started making these videos and 1:27:59.000 --> 1:28:01.479 then I would make her watch everything before I like 1:28:01.600 --> 1:28:04.160 upload and be like what seems cheesy? She should be 1:28:04.240 --> 1:28:06.439 like in tears, be like I didn't know this was 1:28:06.680 --> 1:28:09.240 what this was about. I didn't know how like emotional 1:28:09.360 --> 1:28:13.000 and like like not spiritual, but like she's like, man, 1:28:13.080 --> 1:28:15.800 I feel this, like I'll never do this, but I 1:28:15.920 --> 1:28:18.479 get I thought you said she she grew up in 1:28:18.520 --> 1:28:21.160 a hunting family and she didn't know it. Imagine when 1:28:21.200 --> 1:28:23.880 people growing up in non hunting families, they only hear 1:28:23.960 --> 1:28:28.400 bad things about it. Yeah, yeah, No, my brother is 1:28:28.960 --> 1:28:31.479 not a hunter. I don't think it's like an anti 1:28:31.560 --> 1:28:33.479 hundred's not to hunter. And he has problems with a 1:28:33.520 --> 1:28:35.000 lot of things that go on the hunting community. Like 1:28:35.080 --> 1:28:37.080 he's got on me shooting foxes before because I doesn't 1:28:37.120 --> 1:28:39.200 understand we're not eating those things. I don't understand it. 1:28:40.120 --> 1:28:43.000 And he went to Africa with me probably five years ago, 1:28:44.120 --> 1:28:46.120 and my dad was there. My dad and I grew 1:28:46.200 --> 1:28:48.960 up hunting together. My brother never went with us. And 1:28:49.280 --> 1:28:52.240 um my dad shoots his CUTO. I'm on the other 1:28:52.360 --> 1:28:55.320 side of this flat and I run over. My brothers 1:28:55.360 --> 1:28:57.920 with me. I run over. The cute is still alive. 1:28:58.040 --> 1:29:00.040 My dad's like trying to get down the hill and 1:29:00.200 --> 1:29:02.360 load his gun, and I just look at him, and 1:29:02.400 --> 1:29:04.040 he just, you know, gives me a kind of like 1:29:04.320 --> 1:29:06.760 the shoot this thing. So I just walk up and 1:29:06.800 --> 1:29:09.639 put my rifle on his neck and shoot. I didn't 1:29:09.640 --> 1:29:11.759 be like, hey man, I'm gonna put it out. It's misery. 1:29:12.520 --> 1:29:17.639 It's just like very mechanical just and reacting another round, 1:29:18.200 --> 1:29:21.559 you know, fist pump, my dad talking to the guide. 1:29:21.600 --> 1:29:24.200 Everybody's happy. There's qudo on the ground, and my brothers 1:29:24.240 --> 1:29:26.760 are crying on them, you know, like not crying, but 1:29:26.800 --> 1:29:31.600 it's like tearing up on the hillside. And like, I 1:29:31.720 --> 1:29:35.120 just think he was expecting more reverence than for me 1:29:35.200 --> 1:29:38.639 to just like charge up to it and just put 1:29:38.640 --> 1:29:40.479 a hole in and kill it. I think maybe he 1:29:40.560 --> 1:29:43.080 was expecting something different, but even at that time, I 1:29:43.240 --> 1:29:46.680 wasn't raised to have like some different reaction than just 1:29:46.760 --> 1:29:54.160 to mechanically, robotically just see you. Um. And so I 1:29:54.200 --> 1:29:56.040 don't I think those things are good. I think I 1:29:57.080 --> 1:30:00.400 oftentimes like shooting an animal and I always thank you, 1:30:01.400 --> 1:30:03.519 But I ofttimes I think I'm just doing that because 1:30:03.560 --> 1:30:05.479 I think I need to do it. I'm not really 1:30:06.400 --> 1:30:08.719 doing I'm just saying thank you because I like people 1:30:08.720 --> 1:30:10.920 are there and I want him to think that's what 1:30:11.040 --> 1:30:13.639 I think. Yeah, But I also think that I mean, 1:30:14.720 --> 1:30:17.559 I agree, I think a lot of times some things 1:30:17.600 --> 1:30:21.760 are done be uh because of a camera that's on you, 1:30:22.080 --> 1:30:25.720 or you know, if you never said a word to 1:30:25.840 --> 1:30:28.200 that animal and you're with this group MEU and cow like, 1:30:28.720 --> 1:30:32.840 I know that you appreciate that animal obviously, but we 1:30:32.960 --> 1:30:34.479 fall into that trap up with me and that's the 1:30:34.560 --> 1:30:36.240 right thing to do, you know. Yeah. And it's just 1:30:36.400 --> 1:30:38.000 like a lot of things we do that are just 1:30:38.080 --> 1:30:41.040 going through the options. Yeah, I was happy we experienced 1:30:41.080 --> 1:30:45.280 that today. Man, I'm happy I can look back on 1:30:45.360 --> 1:30:48.240 this hunt and say I'm happy about everything I've experienced, 1:30:48.360 --> 1:30:52.160 like the ups of the downs. Like, man, just learning 1:30:52.200 --> 1:30:55.839 about the access here has been there's been the highlight 1:30:55.920 --> 1:30:58.400 of the trip. Not the highlight of the trip, but 1:30:58.479 --> 1:31:01.719 it's been worth the trip, just being like everyone always 1:31:01.800 --> 1:31:03.680 wants to know, like how how how can I be 1:31:03.720 --> 1:31:05.240 a better elk hunter? How can I be a better 1:31:05.400 --> 1:31:08.600 deer hunter? Go spend time with the animals, Go be 1:31:08.720 --> 1:31:10.519 with them. That's why this is Like you want some 1:31:11.200 --> 1:31:13.880 spot and stock training, Oh my goodness, you want to 1:31:14.000 --> 1:31:16.800 you want some mid season Like if you're an elk 1:31:16.880 --> 1:31:18.720 hunter and you you get one chance a year to 1:31:18.800 --> 1:31:21.120 go hunt, and you get one or two shots, and 1:31:21.200 --> 1:31:23.000 you're just wondering, like how could I train for this? 1:31:24.520 --> 1:31:28.800 Look up Canyon Ranch, Canyon Ranch. Agree. I used to 1:31:28.840 --> 1:31:32.080 tell people that all the time about about Kyot hunting, 1:31:32.160 --> 1:31:35.160 Like why do you like, what's the purpose of kia hunting. 1:31:35.200 --> 1:31:37.960 It's like, well, I feel like we need to, you know, 1:31:38.080 --> 1:31:41.680 manage the predator population obviously in certain areas, and um 1:31:42.360 --> 1:31:44.960 to like, if you want to become efficient with a weapon, 1:31:45.400 --> 1:31:47.960 especially a rifle, go use it a lot in real 1:31:48.040 --> 1:31:51.160 life situations, like trying to get on a running coyote 1:31:51.200 --> 1:31:53.519 if you're calling him in, or trying to stock and 1:31:53.560 --> 1:31:56.479 access buck with your bow, or even learning how to 1:31:56.520 --> 1:32:00.479 shoot out. I don't sit many blinds. I've tried. I've 1:32:00.600 --> 1:32:02.720 never been successful. And when I say try, I mean 1:32:02.800 --> 1:32:05.640 for elk or for deer. Man. I learned how to 1:32:05.680 --> 1:32:06.920 sit a blind and what to do and how to 1:32:06.920 --> 1:32:08.880 build a when to draw and yeah, when to draw 1:32:09.120 --> 1:32:10.680 not to draw, Like if you want to get it 1:32:10.720 --> 1:32:13.720 better or something, do it a lot. Yeah, no, for sure, 1:32:14.160 --> 1:32:16.400 And and this these these are opportunities to do that. 1:32:16.760 --> 1:32:19.240 And then you know, in the same way, you're just 1:32:21.000 --> 1:32:25.160 out there thinking, you know, this isn't training, but this is. 1:32:25.320 --> 1:32:29.200 It's there's so many deer, and they're so they were 1:32:29.240 --> 1:32:31.479 so predictable. When this heat and we were coming down, 1:32:31.520 --> 1:32:33.240 they were like, man, this hundred grees is gonna be tough, 1:32:33.280 --> 1:32:35.960 and I'm like, no, this is good because we can 1:32:36.000 --> 1:32:38.960 get in between the thing they need and and where 1:32:39.000 --> 1:32:40.960 they're headed and just get right in between them and there. 1:32:40.960 --> 1:32:42.280 And I'll keep coming to it because they have to 1:32:42.760 --> 1:32:45.120 and that's what we will, well what we encounter, and 1:32:45.240 --> 1:32:48.920 you just don't. That's just not often the case. And uh, 1:32:49.280 --> 1:32:50.680 you could go on with a lot of meat. You 1:32:50.800 --> 1:32:52.200 come to a cool place like this and give a 1:32:52.240 --> 1:32:55.200 bunch of chicker bytes. Yeah, I mean, I don't think 1:32:55.240 --> 1:32:57.400 I could if I wanted you. I gotta stop issuing 1:32:57.439 --> 1:33:04.600 those things. Man, Oh my god, yourself. I can't not. 1:33:04.800 --> 1:33:08.280 We're gonna put oven miss on the driveall. I can'tnot 1:33:08.439 --> 1:33:11.360 not In some that makes sense. Now, it's been Yeah, 1:33:11.600 --> 1:33:13.760 this has been I mean every hunt I look back 1:33:13.840 --> 1:33:17.840 on and I'm just grateful U for the opportunity to 1:33:17.880 --> 1:33:20.400 be able to go out and do it one but 1:33:20.880 --> 1:33:24.240 for to the experiences I've learned. And we didn't really 1:33:24.280 --> 1:33:25.760 dive into it. We kind of got a little deep. 1:33:25.760 --> 1:33:27.720 But man, I tell people all the time, like some 1:33:27.800 --> 1:33:29.960 of the most important lessons I've learned in life has 1:33:30.000 --> 1:33:31.679 been out in the I've been out in the woods, 1:33:32.520 --> 1:33:36.080 been doing something that you know, you go through something 1:33:36.920 --> 1:33:39.400 hunting and you miss an animal, and you know, you 1:33:39.479 --> 1:33:42.600 start thinking about things and you're like, oh, well that 1:33:42.840 --> 1:33:45.680 really applies to me being a dad or me being 1:33:45.720 --> 1:33:48.960 a better husband. Like I get I get this because 1:33:49.000 --> 1:33:50.960 of I had this experience out in the woods. Like 1:33:51.520 --> 1:33:54.080 might sound cheesy, but it's true. It's a hundred percent true. 1:33:54.080 --> 1:33:55.920 And I tell my wife this all the time, and 1:33:56.000 --> 1:33:58.839 she gets it now after we're watching some re visions, 1:33:58.880 --> 1:34:01.240 Like I get it, Like it's not just about being 1:34:01.280 --> 1:34:03.400 out there and shooting an animal and bringing meat home 1:34:03.479 --> 1:34:05.120 so we can have steaks and you know, on the 1:34:05.280 --> 1:34:09.559 on the grill, it's a it's a spiritual I don't 1:34:09.640 --> 1:34:13.400 I'd like to use that word because whatever spirit you 1:34:13.479 --> 1:34:16.679 know you want to believe in or whatever, Like people 1:34:16.720 --> 1:34:21.920 feel different spirituality levels, but it's a very emotional spiritual 1:34:22.240 --> 1:34:26.080 like powerful thing taking a life. Yeah. And I think we, 1:34:26.200 --> 1:34:27.559 you know, we spent a lot of time this week 1:34:27.760 --> 1:34:31.160 drinking beers around the table talking about like our frustrations 1:34:31.200 --> 1:34:34.360 with things um and what we see in others and 1:34:34.479 --> 1:34:37.439 hunting that we don't necessarily enjoy. And I think we 1:34:37.560 --> 1:34:39.960 do that because you get to that level where you 1:34:40.080 --> 1:34:42.800 are so invested in you have his experiences, and you 1:34:42.840 --> 1:34:45.360 see people that you'd like to say, like, hey, man, 1:34:45.439 --> 1:34:48.400 if you just didn't worry about that buck being thirty 1:34:48.479 --> 1:34:51.280 five inches and over, you know, what are you here 1:34:51.320 --> 1:34:53.000 to do. I'm here to get a thirty five inch 1:34:53.120 --> 1:34:56.080 over access buck. Like, well, bro, you want to miss 1:34:56.160 --> 1:34:59.160 a lot, you might get that thirty six inchure. You 1:34:59.240 --> 1:35:02.040 might put it on your all. People might say, well, 1:35:02.160 --> 1:35:03.960 tell me a story about that, and it'll be a 1:35:03.960 --> 1:35:08.800 pretty short one. Well, the same things like I'm just 1:35:08.840 --> 1:35:12.000 here to shoot a couple of met animals. Man, there's 1:35:12.120 --> 1:35:16.400 more more. There's more than that. And so I think 1:35:16.479 --> 1:35:19.040 that our frustration has probably just come from this is like, man, 1:35:19.120 --> 1:35:21.400 we got something really awesome here. You're doing the same 1:35:21.439 --> 1:35:24.240 thing we're doing. Well, we're doing different things. That makes 1:35:24.240 --> 1:35:27.120 any sense at all, Like if we're out there hunting, 1:35:27.160 --> 1:35:32.599 we're both hunting, but we're not both doing same thing. Well, 1:35:32.680 --> 1:35:35.479 I would say that like this, like if you're chasing 1:35:35.760 --> 1:35:41.760 a number, uh, you will never feel satisfied. I don't 1:35:41.800 --> 1:35:45.840 think because numbers there's always a bigger number, right. Oh yeah, 1:35:46.040 --> 1:35:48.840 It's like when I tell people about like I didn't 1:35:49.080 --> 1:35:51.360 make any decision to do YouTube full time instead of 1:35:51.400 --> 1:35:53.080 work at the steel mill anymore. And they're like, well, 1:35:53.080 --> 1:35:55.240 how can I do that? It's like, why do you 1:35:55.280 --> 1:35:57.599 want to do that? Why do you want to create 1:35:57.720 --> 1:36:00.240 content and whatever content that might be, Well, I want 1:36:00.280 --> 1:36:02.920 to make make money. It's like, if you're chasing money, man, 1:36:02.960 --> 1:36:05.759 you'll never satisfy because you can always make more money. 1:36:06.520 --> 1:36:08.240 Make a million dollars, I want to make two million dollars. 1:36:08.800 --> 1:36:11.280 But if you do it in a purpose because you're 1:36:11.320 --> 1:36:13.960 passionate about it, Like that's where I think all the 1:36:14.000 --> 1:36:16.960 money in the world, Like it doesn't matter if you 1:36:17.000 --> 1:36:19.840 have all the money in the world or good good 1:36:19.960 --> 1:36:23.120 phrase I've I just heard recently is if money wasn't 1:36:23.120 --> 1:36:26.799 an object, money didn't matter, you didn't need money to strive, 1:36:26.920 --> 1:36:29.920 would you be doing what you're doing right now currently? 1:36:30.720 --> 1:36:34.719 If you can say yes, then I think honest with yourself, 1:36:34.840 --> 1:36:38.000 like and you can say yeah, I'm successful. Same thing 1:36:38.040 --> 1:36:40.600 with honey, Like if you're just chasing to shoot a 1:36:40.800 --> 1:36:43.040 you know, I think about elk and deer. That's because 1:36:43.080 --> 1:36:44.559 that's where I what I have, where I grew up. 1:36:44.600 --> 1:36:46.960 But you want to shoot a two commune or a 1:36:47.000 --> 1:36:50.240 fo bowl, because then you'll be satisfied. You shoot one 1:36:50.280 --> 1:36:52.720 and I guess what, there's a four ten out there 1:36:52.880 --> 1:36:55.240 somebody just shot. I know some people very well, and 1:36:55.439 --> 1:36:57.040 if I said their name, is a lot of people 1:36:57.040 --> 1:37:00.320 everybody with who I'm talking about, Yeah, that are like 1:37:01.240 --> 1:37:02.840 I have to everywhere I go, I have to shoot 1:37:02.840 --> 1:37:05.120 a boon and crack of the animal, like in the 1:37:05.280 --> 1:37:07.920 in their things to travel around the world and having 1:37:07.960 --> 1:37:09.760 to like that's the goal is to get twenty seven 1:37:09.840 --> 1:37:12.320 number how many ever of them there are. These are 1:37:12.360 --> 1:37:14.759 not bad people, and they're very good hunters and conscience 1:37:14.840 --> 1:37:17.320 of hunters. They're not bad people, but this thing is 1:37:17.320 --> 1:37:19.880 shifted for them does something different. But if you're not 1:37:21.120 --> 1:37:24.400 enjoying the process of it, and you're not passionate about 1:37:24.479 --> 1:37:26.720 the process, and that's I think that's an important thing. 1:37:26.760 --> 1:37:29.760 If you're not passionate about everything it takes to be 1:37:29.880 --> 1:37:33.200 a hunter, then you're missing it. You're missing a big 1:37:33.320 --> 1:37:36.160 portion of it anyways. And the same thing with eating meat, 1:37:36.240 --> 1:37:38.360 like you said, man, like, if you're just going out 1:37:38.479 --> 1:37:41.519 for to kill an animal to eat it, like you're 1:37:41.560 --> 1:37:43.720 missing a big part of it. You are. You are 1:37:43.760 --> 1:37:45.880 And that's why always said, like those things are byproducts 1:37:45.880 --> 1:37:50.720 of hunting, meat and antlers and conservation or all things 1:37:50.760 --> 1:37:52.679 we talked about. But they're all just like these things 1:37:52.720 --> 1:37:56.200 that happen as a result of hunting, like they just 1:37:56.479 --> 1:37:59.719 happened as a result of hunting. Hunting is the process 1:37:59.840 --> 1:38:02.280 that leads to those results, but it isn't those results 1:38:02.320 --> 1:38:05.479 in and of itself, Like those things are separate. And uh, 1:38:06.280 --> 1:38:07.960 you know, we come here, we learn about ticks, We 1:38:08.280 --> 1:38:10.200 learn about these things we want to learn about rather 1:38:10.320 --> 1:38:13.120 not know about that damn it list about armadillos. We 1:38:13.120 --> 1:38:16.320 should say again, armadillo's give you leprosy. Leprosy people, if 1:38:16.320 --> 1:38:19.960 you're gonna gets don't know what leprosy idiots read the Bible, 1:38:20.479 --> 1:38:23.280 stop playing with larmadillos. You see you on the side 1:38:23.320 --> 1:38:26.519 of the road, swerve and hit it and chiggers. Man, 1:38:26.680 --> 1:38:29.160 I am, I will go home. I feel like I'm 1:38:29.240 --> 1:38:33.479 pretty confident I'm gonna go back to Idaho and be 1:38:33.680 --> 1:38:38.639 one of maybe a few that know about the lone 1:38:38.640 --> 1:38:42.280 star tick and know about what chigger bites feel like, 1:38:43.120 --> 1:38:47.519 and know about leprosy. Next spring turkey season, Idaho, You'll 1:38:47.520 --> 1:38:50.040 be like, there no jiggers here. I'm gonna Yeah, this 1:38:50.160 --> 1:38:53.519 place is awesome. Pants will be optional next year. Yeah, 1:38:53.800 --> 1:38:56.360 you're just gonna you'll still have the scars from your 1:38:56.400 --> 1:39:00.240 current chiggers, you know. I'm like, they're terrible. Well, we 1:39:00.320 --> 1:39:02.280 were getting all deep and have this conversations. Case He's 1:39:02.320 --> 1:39:06.320 over here just scratching his legs and I'm glad you 1:39:06.360 --> 1:39:10.880 don't videotape this. I don't just this, this doesn't belong. Well, 1:39:10.880 --> 1:39:12.639 I don't guess you can't because I haven't been wearing 1:39:12.680 --> 1:39:15.439 pants this whole time. I'm wearing two pairs of pants. 1:39:17.479 --> 1:39:21.680 Then put my pants on because he thought, Yeah, like 1:39:21.720 --> 1:39:25.960 somebody's gonna be wearing these things. Casey, I was gonna 1:39:26.000 --> 1:39:27.800 ask you to close it out. I was thinking about, 1:39:27.880 --> 1:39:29.800 like asking about what's the one thing you would tell 1:39:29.800 --> 1:39:32.800 people that want to do what you do, which is 1:39:34.280 --> 1:39:39.120 of course get hushing the YouTube channel content channel um 1:39:39.280 --> 1:39:41.799 that follows you guys around in your lives and outdoors. 1:39:42.040 --> 1:39:43.920 But is there one thing? I mean, I think you 1:39:43.960 --> 1:39:49.960 maybe already said it, but is there something that because 1:39:50.000 --> 1:39:53.080 you made the jump from a nine job that wasn't 1:39:53.120 --> 1:39:56.040 your passion, to chase your passion. And a lot of 1:39:56.080 --> 1:39:58.880 people do this and fails, some succeed, But I think 1:39:58.880 --> 1:40:01.280 they're the outliers, are the one a succeed because it's tough. 1:40:02.400 --> 1:40:05.760 Is there something that you would just say if you know, 1:40:06.760 --> 1:40:08.680 if you do this, you'll win, If you do this, 1:40:08.800 --> 1:40:12.800 you'll you'll be happy. Yeah. I mean there's a lot 1:40:12.880 --> 1:40:14.439 of things I could do, a lot of things I 1:40:14.479 --> 1:40:16.599 would like to say. But if there was one thing 1:40:17.520 --> 1:40:20.520 that I could tell you that would help you become successful, 1:40:20.680 --> 1:40:23.400 is do it for This is gonna be a cliche. 1:40:23.479 --> 1:40:25.040 Anything I can say it and it's gonna be cliche, 1:40:25.200 --> 1:40:27.960 but like, do it for the right reason. And you 1:40:28.080 --> 1:40:29.800 have to figure out what the right reason is because 1:40:30.360 --> 1:40:33.120 once again, if you're doing it to make money or 1:40:33.200 --> 1:40:37.599 if you're doing it to become I hate this word famous, 1:40:38.560 --> 1:40:41.240 then you will you can never reach that because that's 1:40:41.320 --> 1:40:44.120 only an opinion like oh yeah I'm rich, Like what's 1:40:44.240 --> 1:40:47.280 rich anymore? And you'll always be chasing money. But do 1:40:47.439 --> 1:40:52.000 it because you're passionate about what you're creating. And if 1:40:52.040 --> 1:40:53.920 you do it that, If you do that, it doesn't 1:40:53.920 --> 1:40:56.360 matter how many people watch, it doesn't how many use 1:40:56.400 --> 1:40:58.920 you get, it doesn't matter how many brand brands want 1:40:58.920 --> 1:41:00.760 to work with you. If you're doing it because you 1:41:00.920 --> 1:41:03.640 love the content, you're creating and you're passionate about it. 1:41:03.720 --> 1:41:07.679 You win, you're successful, and you will create better content 1:41:07.720 --> 1:41:09.720 because you're passionate. And often a whole lot of money 1:41:09.840 --> 1:41:13.680 ruins that passion. I say that a lot. Can you 1:41:13.880 --> 1:41:17.519 edit out? Like we're going to add him in? I 1:41:17.600 --> 1:41:19.439 said it probably twenty eight times, at least cut for 1:41:19.800 --> 1:41:21.559 fourteen of them out. I'm gonna be like, hey, Case, 1:41:21.600 --> 1:41:27.400 you're gonna just dub it in chat? Do you like 1:41:27.439 --> 1:41:30.880 those chicker ritescent? There's probably things that I say a 1:41:30.920 --> 1:41:34.719 lot when you do this. I listened to Jurgen's podcast 1:41:34.800 --> 1:41:37.560 but every day, and there's things he says that you 1:41:37.680 --> 1:41:41.400 just said you want to say, Man, hey, but yeah, 1:41:42.000 --> 1:41:43.840 when you talk for a little bits that what is 1:41:43.960 --> 1:41:45.639 brains not big enough? Told them too many. When I'm 1:41:45.640 --> 1:41:48.320 on a camera, it's different. I don't know why. Maybe 1:41:48.360 --> 1:41:50.240 I can see my mouth movie because I'm usually watching 1:41:50.360 --> 1:41:53.080 what I'm what I'm filming. But when I'm on these 1:41:53.120 --> 1:41:56.080 podcasts and you guys don't film them like I've been 1:41:56.080 --> 1:41:57.559 on a couple an go back and listen to him, 1:41:57.560 --> 1:42:01.479 I'm like, man, people, I feel like ming podcast is fine, 1:42:02.479 --> 1:42:04.920 but it just makes you a little bit more aware. 1:42:05.560 --> 1:42:08.920 Like you're aware of your movements. Like we're literally just 1:42:09.000 --> 1:42:12.200 sitting in like a kind of dumpy little room. Hey, 1:42:12.360 --> 1:42:14.360 this was my room for the last three days. It's nice. 1:42:14.400 --> 1:42:17.200 I mean, there's just random. It's like a like a 1:42:17.320 --> 1:42:20.040 nine eighties. It's kind of like maybe if like before 1:42:20.120 --> 1:42:23.759 Scarface got rich. You know, there's like some very ornate 1:42:23.880 --> 1:42:26.800 photos of wildlife. I just noticed there's a picture of 1:42:26.880 --> 1:42:31.160 a very poorly drawn cheetah behind you, and behind that's 1:42:31.200 --> 1:42:33.400 a picture of very portant lion and then a zebra. 1:42:33.880 --> 1:42:37.559 They have gold uh, and there's like a candle labra. 1:42:38.080 --> 1:42:39.840 There's a candle labara on the wall that looks like 1:42:39.920 --> 1:42:42.040 it might have come off like the set of like 1:42:42.120 --> 1:42:45.519 The First Night. You remember that movie where it was 1:42:45.600 --> 1:42:48.960 like because Richard Gere was a Sir Lancelot. So this 1:42:49.160 --> 1:42:51.559 there a little candle labara that came from that set. 1:42:51.600 --> 1:42:58.439 And then there's a dirty empty a fireplace. Yeah, it's 1:42:58.479 --> 1:43:00.800 just you know what's funny, it's I haven't noticed a 1:43:00.880 --> 1:43:02.720 lot of these things about this room, and now I'm 1:43:02.760 --> 1:43:04.800 looking around, I'm like this, you clearly have some sort 1:43:04.800 --> 1:43:08.880 of tick fever that Yeah, I've been preoccupied with my 1:43:09.640 --> 1:43:13.040 sugar bites on my legs, I guess anyway, that's it. 1:43:13.439 --> 1:43:16.040 That's all. That's all I have to say. Thanks man, 1:43:16.200 --> 1:43:17.920 this is a fun week. Oh man, I I I. 1:43:18.080 --> 1:43:20.200 All I can say is thank you, thanks for inviting 1:43:20.240 --> 1:43:23.120 me to come down here. Yeah, I've had an absolute flash. 1:43:23.160 --> 1:43:24.880 You're you're gonna like you know, we try to get 1:43:24.880 --> 1:43:27.080 out and hunt with with all of our sponsors at 1:43:27.160 --> 1:43:30.800 least once a year, and uh, this is our second hunt, 1:43:30.800 --> 1:43:33.240 and I hope we continue to do more because do 1:43:33.320 --> 1:43:34.920 you I hunt. I've hunting with a lot of people 1:43:34.960 --> 1:43:37.840 in my life and uh, you know there's some people 1:43:37.880 --> 1:43:41.080 that you choose to hunt with. You're not one of them. 1:43:41.160 --> 1:43:44.760 So I just want to You're a piece of ship. No. 1:43:45.880 --> 1:43:49.160 It's the funny thing is and I made a post 1:43:49.200 --> 1:43:51.880 about this a while back, like, I feel like the 1:43:51.960 --> 1:43:53.880 best way for me to get to know somebody is 1:43:53.960 --> 1:43:55.680 to take him out to do something you love, right, 1:43:55.840 --> 1:43:59.479 that's honey, and we both love that for me. We 1:43:59.600 --> 1:44:02.040 met know Brian and Ben O'Brien works for Eddie and 1:44:02.120 --> 1:44:04.439 so you know, he was our contact with Yeddie and Unities, 1:44:04.520 --> 1:44:07.519 one of our sponsors, and and we've been working together 1:44:07.560 --> 1:44:08.840 for a couple of years and it was like, oh, 1:44:08.920 --> 1:44:11.479 let's go, Let's take Ben O'Brien out from Eddie on 1:44:11.520 --> 1:44:14.040 this deer hunt we do every year. And in my head, 1:44:14.080 --> 1:44:17.519 I'm like, Ben's cool, but man, I think he's pretty 1:44:17.600 --> 1:44:20.400 like serious, Like I don't know how a hell of 1:44:20.439 --> 1:44:23.280 fit in because that's the one thing I think, who notices, 1:44:23.800 --> 1:44:28.360 you know when if we're out creating content, I'm gonna 1:44:28.360 --> 1:44:29.920 be laughing most of the time, and I'm gonna be 1:44:29.920 --> 1:44:32.320 trying to make other people laugh. So I was like, 1:44:32.760 --> 1:44:34.560 I don't know Ben, Like what if Ben comes on 1:44:34.640 --> 1:44:37.559 this hunts like, those guys are just they're having way 1:44:37.600 --> 1:44:42.120 too much. It's bad for the industry. You guys are 1:44:42.120 --> 1:44:44.720 having fun you're not supposed to. Anyways, we go out 1:44:44.880 --> 1:44:48.040 and uh, we quickly learned that Ben is us to 1:44:48.160 --> 1:44:51.120 a t. Ben likes to laugh and have fun, take 1:44:51.160 --> 1:44:54.720 it serious, but not too serious. And so anyway, I 1:44:54.800 --> 1:44:57.240 appreciate you invite me down. I hope I hope we 1:44:57.280 --> 1:45:00.400 can do some more hunts um in the near future. 1:45:00.880 --> 1:45:10.519 In the near future. By later that's it. It's over, 1:45:11.000 --> 1:45:13.679 episode number fourteen. In the books, I want to really 1:45:13.800 --> 1:45:16.559 thank Casey for joined me, not only on the hunt, 1:45:16.600 --> 1:45:19.720 in Texas, but on the podcast as well. There was 1:45:19.960 --> 1:45:22.920 a goal of mine have him and his crew on 1:45:23.840 --> 1:45:25.479 when we first started doing this, and I'm glad we 1:45:25.600 --> 1:45:28.960 were able to do it for episode number fourteen. My 1:45:29.040 --> 1:45:32.439 big takeaway from this one is just here's a man 1:45:32.520 --> 1:45:34.519 who followed his dream. Here's a man who was working 1:45:34.560 --> 1:45:38.760 at nine to five and saw an avenue to live 1:45:38.800 --> 1:45:41.040 a different lifestyle and a different wife for his family 1:45:41.560 --> 1:45:44.280 and took it and and he caught his dream. And 1:45:44.360 --> 1:45:47.120 I think he's living it right now. And super proud 1:45:47.200 --> 1:45:49.240 to know him. I'm proud to call him a friend, 1:45:49.960 --> 1:45:53.760 Casey Butler. Hopefully you guys, if you're not already, will 1:45:53.840 --> 1:45:58.160 follow those guys at get Hushing, follow their adventures to 1:45:58.280 --> 1:46:04.439 find him on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram and all that fun stuff. Well, 1:46:04.920 --> 1:46:08.160 we're as most of you know who are regular listeners. Um, 1:46:08.240 --> 1:46:09.560 I heard from a lot of you. We took a 1:46:09.600 --> 1:46:11.200 little bit of a break. It wasn't that long of 1:46:11.280 --> 1:46:14.120 a break, a couple of weeks after our Leni trip 1:46:14.840 --> 1:46:16.559 um in suffice to say, there's a lot of big 1:46:16.600 --> 1:46:21.840 things coming for the Honey Collective after Episodember fourteen. I'm 1:46:21.880 --> 1:46:26.080 planning on expanding, planning on bringing new types of content, 1:46:26.479 --> 1:46:28.600 and I think we have a pretty exciting way to 1:46:28.760 --> 1:46:31.360 do that in the future, and so we make it 1:46:31.400 --> 1:46:34.160 some announcements in the next few weeks and months that 1:46:34.240 --> 1:46:37.240 starts to detail what we want to do and we 1:46:37.439 --> 1:46:41.160 have the engines. After what I really would consider fantastically 1:46:41.200 --> 1:46:43.519 successful first thirteen episodes, a lot of a lot of 1:46:43.600 --> 1:46:46.160 folks listened. I was able to get my feet under me. 1:46:46.200 --> 1:46:49.080 I'm sure I made a lot of mistakes, did a 1:46:49.160 --> 1:46:53.280 lot of things wrong, but um, I'm glad some of 1:46:53.360 --> 1:46:55.479 this is resonated with folks, and and I really am 1:46:55.520 --> 1:46:57.519 thankful for each and every one of you that writes 1:46:57.560 --> 1:47:00.040 in it says good things or you know, with with 1:47:00.240 --> 1:47:02.400 criticisms as well. I think all those things are healthy 1:47:02.960 --> 1:47:08.479 and I appreciate every word. That's really Until the Next Time, 1:47:08.560 --> 1:47:12.679 Episode number fifteen will be joined by Ryan Callahan, first 1:47:12.800 --> 1:47:16.040 light second appearance on the podcast. He was also on 1:47:16.120 --> 1:47:18.800 Our Hunt, and we did a separate uh interview with 1:47:18.920 --> 1:47:21.360 him just to kind of get his feelings thoughts both 1:47:21.439 --> 1:47:24.560 on them Our Time and Sonora, but just how he 1:47:24.680 --> 1:47:27.240 does things and then those of you, though Mr Callahan 1:47:27.320 --> 1:47:31.479 knows those things are unique. So until then, the Hunting 1:47:31.479 --> 1:47:37.519 Collective dot com. We'll have all the notes from this episode, articles, videos, 1:47:37.600 --> 1:47:40.040 and all kinds of other stuff. But each of our 1:47:40.080 --> 1:47:44.679 past episodes, including Steve and Ronnella, including all Marcus, including 1:47:44.720 --> 1:47:48.320 our l and I recap with Sam Sohole. You have 1:47:49.240 --> 1:47:52.160 guys like man, there's so many of them, it's it's 1:47:52.320 --> 1:47:56.160 it's hard to say Shane Mahoney. Let's put Shane Mahoney 1:47:56.200 --> 1:47:58.599 out there. I stumble over my words on that one, 1:47:58.680 --> 1:48:01.040 but we'll keep it in there because there's just so 1:48:01.120 --> 1:48:03.439 many so much to think about, so much conversation, so 1:48:03.520 --> 1:48:06.519 many words. I'm glad they were all recorded. So I 1:48:06.640 --> 1:48:13.479 quit Babylin for this terribly long exit, but we are gone. 1:48:14.000 --> 1:48:17.040 Episode of fourteen of the Books. See you next time,