Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Hunting Collective. I've been O'Brien
Speaker 1: and after a long break, we're back episode number fourteen,
Speaker 1: and we're joined by none other than Casey Butler. Casey
Speaker 1: is the founder of get Hushing. It's a YouTube channel
Speaker 1: content house that he and his buddies Brian and Eric
Speaker 1: run out of Utah and Idaho, respectively. They travel around
Speaker 1: the world, or at least around the country, and they
Speaker 1: hunt and they fish. They document it and semi live
Speaker 1: and sometimes in real time. And what makes these guys different,
Speaker 1: what makes Casey's content different is that it's unapologetic. It's
Speaker 1: not edited. It is what it is. It shows hits
Speaker 1: mrs good times, bad times, and it is really the
Speaker 1: entire story of Casey, Rick and Brian, and they're hunting
Speaker 1: and fishing careers and lives. I've known these guys for
Speaker 1: a couple of years now and support what they do,
Speaker 1: and they're just doing something different in the hunting game,
Speaker 1: and I really appreciate that. On the top of that,
Speaker 1: Casey is just a good guy. I think when we
Speaker 1: hang out in hunting camps, we never stopped laughing, never
Speaker 1: stopped joking, never stopped just having a ball, so he
Speaker 1: joined me this last week in Sonora, Texas for an
Speaker 1: access to your hunt that was unreal and a lot
Speaker 1: of memories made, a lot of deer hit the ground,
Speaker 1: and just a lot a lot of action for a
Speaker 1: short three day hunt out in the heat of West
Speaker 1: Texas in June. So hopefully you enjoy our conversation. I
Speaker 1: think this one got a little bit deep this one.
Speaker 1: Casey was willing to open up on some things and
Speaker 1: we were able to talk through some of the issues
Speaker 1: with with life and death and hunting. So serious as
Speaker 1: that sounds, I think it was a great conversation, So
Speaker 1: hopefully you enjoy it. Episode number fourteen, Casey Butler, Hey buddy,
Speaker 1: Hey buddy, how you doing pretty get their pal um?
Speaker 1: How do you like Texas? How do I like Texas?
Speaker 1: I love the state of Texas, I love the I
Speaker 1: love I love Texas. I have some qualms about about Texas,
Speaker 1: but as a whole, I've absolutely enjoyed myself every time
Speaker 1: I've been down here. Mm hmmm, I feel like you're
Speaker 1: not telling the truth. Like I said, I have some qualms.
Speaker 1: Let's go over all the nice things that you've done
Speaker 1: in Texas are not That's not as interesting as the
Speaker 1: hardships you faced here. We're in Sonora, Texas. By the way. Senora,
Speaker 1: Texas is west pretty much straight west of Austin, Texas,
Speaker 1: about three hours. I want to drive that. We're here
Speaker 1: on the ranch called the Canyon Ranch. The Canyon Ranch
Speaker 1: is acres. Part of it is high fence. The part
Speaker 1: we hunted is about ten thousand acres of fair chase,
Speaker 1: free range, low fence, exotics, white tails, turkeys, everything you
Speaker 1: can think of, so big, big oak flats and mesquite
Speaker 1: flats and cacti, lots of cacti, a few water holes,
Speaker 1: a lot of dry dirt, pretty arid this time of year.
Speaker 1: It's been pretty regularly a hundred five degrees since we've
Speaker 1: been here. And um, all those things and in this
Speaker 1: environment combined create something that was a little bit gnarly,
Speaker 1: very gnarly. You just want me to dive into this.
Speaker 1: I just want you to, like this, explain that what's
Speaker 1: going on right now in your body? I am very
Speaker 1: uncomfortable in my skin right now. Is I get the
Speaker 1: best way I can put it, I've I just can't
Speaker 1: get comfortable. I just got out of the shower literally
Speaker 1: ten minutes ago and that was nice, But at the
Speaker 1: same time, I'm itching from head to toe. H I
Speaker 1: have some concerns about some lasting bites that I got
Speaker 1: while I was down here. Yeah, um, little little sunburnt,
Speaker 1: you know, the sun, just being out in the sun.
Speaker 1: I lived in Arizona for a few years when I
Speaker 1: was a kid. Phoenix. What I remember about Phoenix when
Speaker 1: I moved then moved to Idaho, and that's kind of
Speaker 1: where I grew up. Mostly where I grew up was
Speaker 1: when when it's hot in Idaho in the summer, the
Speaker 1: wind blows and it's like, oh, that's nice breeze in Phoenix,
Speaker 1: and I feel like down here when the wind blows
Speaker 1: and it's hot, it's just a hot air blowing in
Speaker 1: your face. It's it's not refreshing. It's like Ryan Callahan
Speaker 1: compared it to just a blow driver and you're face
Speaker 1: all day long. And that's how it is. So it
Speaker 1: takes it out of you just being out in the sun.
Speaker 1: I mean, we did maybe what five miles of hiking,
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we walked around a little bit more than
Speaker 1: the normal sit over water holes. I would say, hashtag
Speaker 1: we got after it, We got after it? Is that
Speaker 1: a hashtag? Now it is. Now it is. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: we don't have a hashtag here the hunting Collective. I
Speaker 1: got to pick one up. Yeah, it's well, throw it
Speaker 1: around for a while. Yeah, let's don't jump into it
Speaker 1: and be like that's fine, but let's slave and all right. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we we found out or or some of us knew
Speaker 1: that there is a tick specifically called the lone star tick.
Speaker 1: And it's a small ticks, not as small as a
Speaker 1: deer tick or some of the smaller of this insect.
Speaker 1: But it's I would say a midsized tick for what
Speaker 1: I've seen, and it's got a white dot on its back.
Speaker 1: But it carries a virus of some sorts. I have
Speaker 1: to look at what the look this up and get
Speaker 1: some more detail on it, or somebody can write in
Speaker 1: and tell us what's really going on. But it's like
Speaker 1: a letter, like a letter, right, if it's a virus alone,
Speaker 1: start tick carries right in PO box. Sent it the
Speaker 1: p O box. Address it to Mr dearest, Mr O'Brien. Yes, please,
Speaker 1: I'd like you to write with an ink quill sorry,
Speaker 1: type in, type in, finger in. I don't know what
Speaker 1: with your fingers. You type with your fingers. Yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: we're way off tractive count for five minutes. And what
Speaker 1: are we talking about? The lone start tick it um
Speaker 1: when it bites you, uh and injects some sort of
Speaker 1: protein into your bloodstream, and that protein then calls you
Speaker 1: to it creates an allergy two red meat? Is that?
Speaker 1: Does that not sound like the worst possible thing that
Speaker 1: could I mean, let me step back. It's not the
Speaker 1: worst possible thing that could happen to you as a
Speaker 1: human being, but it's pretty darn close. I mean in
Speaker 1: all irony, like if you're you're hunting for red meat
Speaker 1: and you get a bit by a tick that carries
Speaker 1: that possibly there's the they're telling us here it's one
Speaker 1: in a billion. Yeah, those are odds. What's all that
Speaker 1: one of a billion talk? I don't that's too too
Speaker 1: much for me. Well, yeah, so zero in a billion
Speaker 1: would be about what I well put it, put it
Speaker 1: in a reverse way, like what's the chances of winning
Speaker 1: the lottery? One in a billion? Who I don't play
Speaker 1: the lottery because that's like way out there. But when
Speaker 1: it's can be a negative thing against you, one in
Speaker 1: a billion sounds like, you know, like the phrase so
Speaker 1: you're saying there's a chance. Well, that's the thing is
Speaker 1: the outfits told us. He's like, oh yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: one in every one billion ticks has it. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: my buddy was out here last year and uh, got it,
Speaker 1: got it, got it. And I'm like, so you're telling
Speaker 1: people didn't come here and he just got it. It's
Speaker 1: not one in a billions lying. I don't know. It
Speaker 1: scares me because let's go back to thinking about this.
Speaker 1: We are out here hunting, doing something we love and
Speaker 1: in hopes that we we kill a deer and we
Speaker 1: can take it home, because a big reason for hunting
Speaker 1: access deer down here for me right now is because
Speaker 1: they're the most It's some of the most delicious meat
Speaker 1: I've ever had. And so you're down here to do that,
Speaker 1: and then you can contract something that would end all
Speaker 1: of that. Is it worth it? Wow? What is reading
Speaker 1: about this? Now? You're reading somebody? Did somebody phone in? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Somebody do alive. Since this isn't live, you have to
Speaker 1: call me later, but later text out yeah, or you
Speaker 1: could tweet out or instagram I could do that. We're
Speaker 1: doing a podcast about this. We want to hear from you,
Speaker 1: and then millions of people, millions of people listening to this, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: millions of millions of people. Yeah, millions of downloads. So
Speaker 1: USA today is a story. Lone star tick bites can
Speaker 1: cause rare meat allergy and some people. Oh, if you
Speaker 1: spot a tick, grab the tweezers. That's what it says.
Speaker 1: Read that. Read that first line again. He says it could.
Speaker 1: It can cause a meat allergy and some people. So
Speaker 1: that's not telling me that like one in a million
Speaker 1: of these ticks has it. That's saying like, if you're
Speaker 1: the right person and get one of these ticks on
Speaker 1: you and embedding you, you could have it. Is that
Speaker 1: how you read it? That? Sorry? Read it? This is
Speaker 1: it's I was sugar called alpha gal wishes present and
Speaker 1: mammalian meat triggers the allergic reaction once you're bitten by
Speaker 1: this tick. Unbelievable, he said. Doctor's first notice a strange reaction,
Speaker 1: which is sometimes called alpha gal syndrome a little over
Speaker 1: a decade ago, and we're able to slowly piece together
Speaker 1: that those who developed the meat allergy had one thing
Speaker 1: in common. Lone star tick bites. Unbelievable. Here's a like,
Speaker 1: look at that close up picture of it. Oh, my gosh,
Speaker 1: we've seen a few of those. Now I've got I
Speaker 1: got bit by a lone star tick yesterday. It looks
Speaker 1: like it has a birthday cake on its back, which
Speaker 1: would be does that look like a birthday cake? A
Speaker 1: little bit? Um? Yeah, Like, can we go into the
Speaker 1: story now? Yeah? Please? Ben bless his sweet little heart
Speaker 1: invited me and Ryan Callahan from First Light down here
Speaker 1: to do this hunt kind of a last minute scene,
Speaker 1: and I was I jumped at the chance. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I've had access meat before and it is, you know,
Speaker 1: probably my favorite meat I've ever had, my favorite red meat.
Speaker 1: So I was like, sweet, we can shoot a dough,
Speaker 1: we can shoot a buck anyway we come down here.
Speaker 1: And he didn't even tell me about it the first day.
Speaker 1: It was like one of those oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: because after our first day hunting, which was an absolute blast,
Speaker 1: by the way, yes it was we Uh was it?
Speaker 1: I think you had a tick on you And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, there's ticks down here, and oh yeah,
Speaker 1: lots of them. Be careful. I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I never really get ticks like I've seen him. I've
Speaker 1: been out bear hunting in turkey hunting in the spring
Speaker 1: in Idaho and Montana, and I've seen him, but I've
Speaker 1: actually never had one in bed in me. Well, Benny
Speaker 1: found one on him and then he told told me
Speaker 1: about the possible the lone star tick. Yeah, allergic reaction,
Speaker 1: this this tick could cause, but not. I went to
Speaker 1: sleep and woke up, went hunting the next day, came
Speaker 1: back with a long star tick in my leg. Well
Speaker 1: remember when we were it was while we were eating dinner.
Speaker 1: You you picked one off your neck, and I was
Speaker 1: and I was kind of tripping out about it a
Speaker 1: little bit. I still, why wouldn't you trip It's it's
Speaker 1: a trippy premise, even if even if it's a rare,
Speaker 1: Like everything says rare may cause some people. It's all
Speaker 1: as you know, language that is saying that that it
Speaker 1: rarely happens, but it happens. It's out of doubt, without
Speaker 1: a doubt, it happened here at this branch. This is
Speaker 1: something we found that later on. Um. But ticks, I
Speaker 1: mean last year I was hunning North they here about
Speaker 1: an hour and a half. I got some kind of
Speaker 1: tickborn illness from getting bit, and uh I was down
Speaker 1: for two weeks. My my dad has lime disease. From
Speaker 1: a tick bite. And yet here we are, here we are,
Speaker 1: and you came into this unwittingly. I feel like I've
Speaker 1: been to Texas before, and I've hunted Texas before. Are
Speaker 1: the ticks less prominent in like January? Yes? Yes, so
Speaker 1: we hunted. We brought our dads down here in January
Speaker 1: of last year or two thousand seventeen or eight sixteen, anyway,
Speaker 1: and hunted a ranch. And it was January is a
Speaker 1: lot colder than it is now. And I don't remember
Speaker 1: seeing ticks. I don't remember talking about ticks, uh, but
Speaker 1: they're definitely here on this ranch. And well, so the
Speaker 1: story goes has been picked, went off, and I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there just telling him and Ryan like telling Ryan and
Speaker 1: Ben like, you know, is it kind of one of
Speaker 1: those things that like just ticks don't like certain people, like,
Speaker 1: you know, like they don't like their blood? I know,
Speaker 1: like people say that about mosquitoes, Like I have mosquitoes,
Speaker 1: don't really bother me, don't really bite me. You know,
Speaker 1: my my brother could be right next to me and
Speaker 1: he'll get lit up by mosquitoes and I don't for it.
Speaker 1: So I was kind of thinking in my head, or
Speaker 1: maybe I was trying to imagine this is how it worked,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, you know, to be honest,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever found a tick and betteded me.
Speaker 1: I've seen him crawling on me, you know, I found
Speaker 1: him on my clothes, but I've never had when I
Speaker 1: bed in me and so maybe it's one of those things.
Speaker 1: And it was literally two minutes later. I went to
Speaker 1: cross my arms and rymes like, like, what he's like
Speaker 1: looking down at your elbow? Freaking alone? Start tick embedded
Speaker 1: in my forearm YEP, people can tell us are we
Speaker 1: are we being We'll see's about this? Are we not
Speaker 1: tough enough? Ah? Are one of our guides? And then
Speaker 1: outfit are here? Said, I've gotten bit of our hundreds
Speaker 1: of lone star chicks I've lived in my entire life.
Speaker 1: Nothing has ever happened like me too. Man. I got
Speaker 1: that one viral infection last year. The last couple of
Speaker 1: weeks I was sick. I was fine. Ah, but I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people that have a lot of
Speaker 1: problems because of these types of things. And we're vigilant.
Speaker 1: We were deep most of the time. We sprayed with
Speaker 1: some off in different type of sprays and uh, We're
Speaker 1: pretty is not to be laying in the tall grass ever.
Speaker 1: But uh, I think we came down You probably came
Speaker 1: down here fear full of rattlesnake without a doubt and
Speaker 1: laughed fearful of the tick. To be a honest right now,
Speaker 1: like yeah, like long term, I'm glad I didn't get
Speaker 1: bit by rattlesnake. I'm terrified of of rattlesnake. I'm not
Speaker 1: terrified of all snakes. There's a big missue conception out there.
Speaker 1: People think I'm terrified of all snakes. I'm terrified of
Speaker 1: getting bit by rattlesnake just because of what I can do.
Speaker 1: Yes same with this tick, Like this is what I
Speaker 1: was thinking about yesterday, was Texas is a wild place.
Speaker 1: Like we go on a lot of different hunts, and
Speaker 1: most of we do Western big game haunts and typically
Speaker 1: there you know, do yourself haunts on public land, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of challenges that come to those right
Speaker 1: dome with those and especially been you you know, you've
Speaker 1: been all over the world on hunts, and every hunt
Speaker 1: comes with a different challenge. Sometimes it's a physical challenge,
Speaker 1: climbing mountains to kill a stone sheep, or maybe it's
Speaker 1: a mental challenge. You just have to like stay in
Speaker 1: the game long enough and it can happen. Like we've
Speaker 1: all been on those hunts. Texas is no different. Like
Speaker 1: even though this is a a giant ranch and there's
Speaker 1: a ton of animals on it and it's not where
Speaker 1: we like Ben said, where we hunted was not the
Speaker 1: high fence section, there's still a ton of animals on it,
Speaker 1: and high fence would I mean the number of animals
Speaker 1: here you feel you don't feel like you know what's
Speaker 1: what was interesting me in quickly, you know, we quickly
Speaker 1: put this hunt together. And I was thinking about having
Speaker 1: you and call out here is like where you're, where
Speaker 1: you live, you'd be lucky to see the here once.
Speaker 1: Are you lucky? You go out scout or go out
Speaker 1: hunt and have a few encounters in a day, you know,
Speaker 1: half a dozen would be a great day. Here, we
Speaker 1: can have half a dozen in an hour easily, easily.
Speaker 1: And so it does want it a couple of things.
Speaker 1: It keeps you in the action. It keeps you in
Speaker 1: the hunt, keeps you wanting to be out there, which
Speaker 1: not to other hunts don't do that, but this really does.
Speaker 1: And it sharpens your ability to stalk, it sharpet your
Speaker 1: ability to shoot, to know when to shoot it. Everything
Speaker 1: about bow hunting is repetition to get good at it.
Speaker 1: And I find these hunts, these types of hunts are
Speaker 1: our hunt in Lena I from episode thirteen the same way.
Speaker 1: And so it's interesting to see that reviewing repetitive sharpening
Speaker 1: of of what do I gotta do? When do I
Speaker 1: gotta do it? How am I going to do this?
Speaker 1: How am I gonna do it right? What's you know,
Speaker 1: what's the what's the strategy? But we got to do
Speaker 1: that this week because the deer just kept coming and
Speaker 1: coming coming. No, it was great. Yeah, like you say, like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm in a giant slump right now and have
Speaker 1: been since last year. Like I messed up some some
Speaker 1: shots I should have made last year, and uh, it
Speaker 1: was good to get out. And that was the most
Speaker 1: important thing said that you're telling me. There's ticks that
Speaker 1: could pretty much in my life. But the most important
Speaker 1: thing you told me was don't worry about screwing it
Speaker 1: up because you will have another chance. Make sure you're
Speaker 1: comfortable draw back, like remember all those mechanics that you've
Speaker 1: learned and practice, like do that and if you screwed up,
Speaker 1: you screwed up, you're gonna have another chance, which was great.
Speaker 1: Do you know how many times did I pull my
Speaker 1: bow back yesterday? Half a dozen more? Yeah, just a
Speaker 1: fact of drawing your bow on a live animal and
Speaker 1: trying not to not to expose yourself to a live animal.
Speaker 1: Why you're drawing your bow. That's great practice. That's something
Speaker 1: you never get to practice unless you're out hunting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if you're a white tail hunter, you may do
Speaker 1: it twice a year, yeah, or you know, depending on
Speaker 1: what your strategies are. Um, and so yeah, I think
Speaker 1: these types, especially this time, you was not a whole
Speaker 1: lot going on fishing, mostly some bear hunting here and there. Um,
Speaker 1: these are important type of experiences for me. But I
Speaker 1: you know, since living in Texas and I'm an it
Speaker 1: down here way, but well before I was a resident.
Speaker 1: But um, I just this is kind of how spring
Speaker 1: turkey spring access to her. It goes, you go out,
Speaker 1: you get bit by something, it hurts, it scratches, you know,
Speaker 1: you scratch the itch and it take a couple of
Speaker 1: days agoes away. But there's that permanent thought in your
Speaker 1: mind that, oh man, this could be you know, I
Speaker 1: could I get Rocky Mountain spotted fever. I could get
Speaker 1: lime disease. I could get Yeah, this rare gal disease.
Speaker 1: Now that I've learned about, Well that's what gals out there.
Speaker 1: That's what I keep thinking about. It's like, if you
Speaker 1: were to uh get this is it a disease for virus,
Speaker 1: and if you weren't allowed, Like the way I understand it,
Speaker 1: and what was explained to me by the outfit or
Speaker 1: was his buddy that got it, basically cannot eat red
Speaker 1: meat and if he does, he doesn't die or anything,
Speaker 1: but he feels like he has the flu for twenty
Speaker 1: four to forty eight hours. He gets very sick. It's
Speaker 1: so bad that he's from down south somewhere where they
Speaker 1: barbecue a lot, and he can't even smell the smoke
Speaker 1: when his buddies barbecue because it gets him sick. So
Speaker 1: if I was thinking, like I was playing that to
Speaker 1: my life, like what if tomorrow, Casey, you wake up
Speaker 1: and you can't eat red meat? It would suck a right,
Speaker 1: that's A. That's A and B. It would change my life.
Speaker 1: It would change my family's life. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: hunt for numerous reasons. It's fun. I love the I
Speaker 1: love the challenge. I love being out. It's something that
Speaker 1: I grew up doing. It's something I want to pass
Speaker 1: on to my kids. But also I eat. I love
Speaker 1: eating the meat. Yeah, like that is what supplies my
Speaker 1: family with with food. I guess what I mean. If
Speaker 1: I could, I guess what would happen is I would
Speaker 1: be able, I would still hunt to provide for my family,
Speaker 1: and I would eat I guess. I don't know. You're
Speaker 1: supposedly can eat fish. Some they were saying, like some
Speaker 1: white meats turkeys or something. But I find this to
Speaker 1: be people need to know people out there. You need
Speaker 1: to know lone star ticks are not just in Texas either.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, people especially looking into coming down
Speaker 1: here or going where they are. I've never heard of
Speaker 1: this before. I thought I read I thought you were.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a joke. I read that USA Today
Speaker 1: article when it came out, I remember, and that was
Speaker 1: that us AN articles from June, and so like you
Speaker 1: said these things, this was happening to people and they
Speaker 1: didn't know at least week. If it happens to us,
Speaker 1: we'll have a better I believe Rutgers university was university
Speaker 1: doing a lot of the study. But they're just imagine
Speaker 1: being somebody in a decade ago that got bit by
Speaker 1: tick that produces allergen and they were sick for the
Speaker 1: rest for a long time and they could never figure
Speaker 1: it out. And it took that articles that the forty
Speaker 1: people to have these same symptoms and perhaps have been
Speaker 1: bit by the same insect, and um, it's crazy, man.
Speaker 1: And like you said, every everyone has challenges, but it
Speaker 1: sucks when the challenges are tiny, yeah, microscopic, And like
Speaker 1: if a bears, like you said earlier this week, if
Speaker 1: a bear is coming at you, most times, you're gonna
Speaker 1: see it well. And the fact that, yeah, if a bear,
Speaker 1: you can see it. And you know if a bear
Speaker 1: attack you, right, Like, if a bear comes and choose
Speaker 1: on you for a second, you're gonna get up and
Speaker 1: be like, I just got bit by a bear. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna be like a month later, you'd be like, damn,
Speaker 1: I gonna exactly, it's not this. Then you're you're gonna
Speaker 1: be wondering about and hoping it didn't happen and you
Speaker 1: and you don't really know until you get sick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just got bit by a bear. I need to
Speaker 1: go figure this out right now. Right now, I'm sitting
Speaker 1: here doing this podcast wondering if there's a lone Start
Speaker 1: tick on me now or if the one that was
Speaker 1: embedded in my arm yesterday. Yeah, we need a psychologist
Speaker 1: now to tell us it's Wait, it's way more dangerous
Speaker 1: to drive home in a truck like we're about to
Speaker 1: do than it is to get bit by a lone
Speaker 1: start tick. But the idea of the pure irony, at least,
Speaker 1: maybe if it happens, the one of a we could
Speaker 1: write a book or something, maybe start like a reality
Speaker 1: show about your life. People would watch me, just a
Speaker 1: hunter got bit by a tick while hunting and now
Speaker 1: can't rid of me. Um. I think it's probably best
Speaker 1: we move along from this subject because I've so much
Speaker 1: more to talk about, though, I mean, not just so
Speaker 1: what I was saying. Yeah, there's other things that we
Speaker 1: don't like. Yeah, so rattlesnakes are a big thing for me. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: and people are like, oh man, it's just a snake. Yeah,
Speaker 1: demon serpants. There's something that and we talked about this
Speaker 1: with cow this week. There's something that is embedded in
Speaker 1: your soul that when you're walking and see and you
Speaker 1: see out of the corner of your eye a snake.
Speaker 1: I would assume nine percent of people jump, right, I
Speaker 1: would hope they do. And and then you add so
Speaker 1: just the thought or the look of a snake is scary,
Speaker 1: I guess. And I don't know where that comes from.
Speaker 1: It if it's a long I think it's almost an
Speaker 1: hereditary thing. My grandma hates snakes, my mom hate it's
Speaker 1: learned man, maybe it is. But I didn't mind snakes
Speaker 1: when I as a kid. I'd go out in the
Speaker 1: ditch and I'd catch them, we'd play with them. Like
Speaker 1: Grandma would freak out, my mom would freak out, I
Speaker 1: didn't mind him. And I think I just got this,
Speaker 1: like you know, in the last ten or fifteen years
Speaker 1: that and maybe it's just I think more about being
Speaker 1: and like I said, it's being bit by rousseas. Trip
Speaker 1: list is irrational fear. It's not irrational to be afraid
Speaker 1: of something that can then it can bite you and
Speaker 1: then jet poison into you that could cause loss of
Speaker 1: limb or life. It's not irrational fear. If you were,
Speaker 1: you know, being scared of heights, if you're inside of
Speaker 1: a building, or um in a plane or something like that.
Speaker 1: That might be it's irrational um, but there's no irrational fear,
Speaker 1: you know, crawling hidden serpent that could pop out of
Speaker 1: the bushes and take your leg off. Yeah, in a
Speaker 1: very painful way. Well, you know, and everyone has their like.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of wives tales out there
Speaker 1: about different things about snakes and ticks like, you know,
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people are like snake like.
Speaker 1: I know, my buddy up Bit, I've had a lot
Speaker 1: of bird dogs a bit, you know. I talked to
Speaker 1: again in New Mexico two years ago when we're down
Speaker 1: there elk hunting, and I don't know what type of
Speaker 1: a snake they are. It's a routs snake. They call
Speaker 1: them prairie rattlers, I think, or rock rattlers. And everyone
Speaker 1: I've seen down there, it's just they're not very picked.
Speaker 1: They're like, I don't know, maybe two ft long. They're thin.
Speaker 1: They call them rock rattlers down there. Anyway. Uh, we
Speaker 1: were down there hunting ilk two years ago and I
Speaker 1: had two pretty clear I would call him close encounters.
Speaker 1: You know. I was walking past the log and one
Speaker 1: buzzed at me and literally like six inches from my
Speaker 1: leg and walked past the snake. M like five six
Speaker 1: days later, I was tracking a bulleage shot been over
Speaker 1: looking for blood right at dusk, the same thing ran
Speaker 1: right into a rouse. Snake buzz me. So we go
Speaker 1: to this little town in New Mexico where we hunt,
Speaker 1: and we'd see him quite a few and uh, there's
Speaker 1: this one store there and I was asking I kind
Speaker 1: of know the owner because I've hunted there a few
Speaker 1: years in this area, and I was like, man, are
Speaker 1: the snakes just really bad this year? What I'm seeing
Speaker 1: a lot? He's like, well, I don't think any more
Speaker 1: than normal. But have you seen him? And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen like I don't know four or five. Is
Speaker 1: that you kill him? I'm like no. My partner, Eric
Speaker 1: um Chester, he was with me and he's a reptile guy. Right.
Speaker 1: That sounds weird. My partners, my partner in my business,
Speaker 1: my life partner. You have a partner, all you and
Speaker 1: any partners as you want. That we're on the honeyglect
Speaker 1: We except all shapes. Anyway, He's he's a reptile guy.
Speaker 1: He likes to catch me. Caught those rattlesnakes in his hat.
Speaker 1: He's like, why would you kill him? Man, They're not
Speaker 1: doing anything to you. I'm like, man, he could have
Speaker 1: bit me anyway. So this guy was like, you kill
Speaker 1: every rattlesnake you see. If it's not you, it's the
Speaker 1: next guy that comes by her, a kid that comes
Speaker 1: by that it's gonna get bit by that thing. And
Speaker 1: need to continue to tell me the story of his
Speaker 1: brother in law that was bit ten or twelve years
Speaker 1: ago previous and two dude still has trouble getting out
Speaker 1: of bed in the morning because his joints are so
Speaker 1: messed up because of the rattlesnake bite. Yeah, like life altering,
Speaker 1: Like within a split second, your life could be altered
Speaker 1: for him. It's it's hard to manage that mentally, it's
Speaker 1: hard to manage this all of the probabilities in your
Speaker 1: life that are happening right now, things that could be
Speaker 1: going on that could and that could put you in
Speaker 1: danger in some way. Like what are the probabilities of this, this, this,
Speaker 1: and this? You're getting the vehicle you you know, we're
Speaker 1: just cutting up meat and there's knives around, their saws around.
Speaker 1: What are the probabilities of all these things happening, but
Speaker 1: some of the things that are are unlikely are just
Speaker 1: fucking scary. Man. And I'm I'm definitely afraid of snakes,
Speaker 1: but I certainly don't like them. I'm not somebody but
Speaker 1: ah snakes, no big deal. I'd rather avoid them if
Speaker 1: I could. But if I see one, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna run, but I'm certainly not gonna go
Speaker 1: pick it up. I've had I founded with folks before.
Speaker 1: They're like, I'll just go pick them up, you know,
Speaker 1: stas rattle snakes will just go stomp with their heads
Speaker 1: or something like. That's not That's not a door I'd
Speaker 1: like to open up. I'd like to leave that one closed. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: is it true that uh anti venom for the rattlesnake
Speaker 1: bite can be upboards of like tens of thousands of dollars?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know that on a ranch often
Speaker 1: hunt in the near Eagle Pass, Texas, that in the
Speaker 1: Eagle Past, oh the er they don't administer because they
Speaker 1: can't afford it, so they have to evacue to San Antonio.
Speaker 1: Helicopter very expensive. So yeah, I don't know. Let's just
Speaker 1: say rattlesnakes are there. It's just they're a good represent
Speaker 1: station of this country. It is sneaky, dangerous, and it's
Speaker 1: it seems sometimes that's out to get you because there's cactus,
Speaker 1: there's fire ants, there's giant bounds, fire ants, sugars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, we haven't the w and they don't.
Speaker 1: They can't really have like a long time like effect
Speaker 1: on you, right, Like can they give you a virus
Speaker 1: you haven't told me about. No, well they could give well, well,
Speaker 1: they can give you a virus that if it bites you,
Speaker 1: your skin falls off. Yeah, just a certain sugar if
Speaker 1: it bites you. You can't upload videos to YouTube. Sh
Speaker 1: is terrible, man, I know, I'm sorry. Things are south
Speaker 1: down here in Texas and they can't just not just Texas,
Speaker 1: but this landscape in general. I mean you go to
Speaker 1: Mexico and Arizona, this you know, this ah longitude. Well,
Speaker 1: now that I think about it, all these crazy things,
Speaker 1: and it's crazy to me because I didn't grow up
Speaker 1: around around rattle snakes. Yeah perspective, right, So, like I
Speaker 1: grew up in Idaho and Utah for the most part,
Speaker 1: and yeah, like the things I was worried about were
Speaker 1: rattlesnakes or grizzly bears. Where I used to LK hunt,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of grizzly bears and um never really
Speaker 1: thought about wolves or mountain lions, but mostly bears, you know,
Speaker 1: and and rattlesnakes and ticks like I've read and maybe
Speaker 1: this is another wives tale that I've heard, But I've
Speaker 1: read that the ticks and Idaho don't carry the lime disease.
Speaker 1: Is that true? I don't know. I don't know anybody
Speaker 1: personally that's uh ghutlines disease from Idaho, but I'm sure,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they do. But yeah, so I come down
Speaker 1: here and this is all new to me, well that
Speaker 1: I would say this, and it was new to me
Speaker 1: when I got here as well, and still is kind
Speaker 1: of a certain way. But um, as a culture, even
Speaker 1: or as people were obsessed with the the anomaly like
Speaker 1: that air occurrence, obsessed with those things because one because
Speaker 1: a lot of times they're special and a lot of
Speaker 1: times they're amazing, and sometimes they're insanely horrible. UM. And
Speaker 1: this the anomaly doesn't always inform like the way you
Speaker 1: should live your life. But in this case, there's just
Speaker 1: this a compounding number of anomalies that happen, like rattlesnake bites,
Speaker 1: viruses that sho's probably have colma virus. I don't believe
Speaker 1: it is that, but a tick that can take away
Speaker 1: your carnivor carnivorous nature. It's so terrible. Yeah, it's bizarre. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, like things that things that seem impossible are
Speaker 1: very intriguing, right. And and then in this case, it's
Speaker 1: quite the storyline from hunting this place. But we've had
Speaker 1: an amazing hunt, I would say, and I like this
Speaker 1: place because we're you know, kind of allowed out on
Speaker 1: this private ranch and they just let us go and
Speaker 1: they say, you know, stalk around, find a buck you like,
Speaker 1: and go for it there. Because there's no seasons on
Speaker 1: exotic game and in Texas and so and this is
Speaker 1: the rut. Generally, the access to our spasmodic, so they
Speaker 1: don't all rut at one time, but this generally is
Speaker 1: the time of your most of the running activity happens.
Speaker 1: There's lined up in this area of the country, so
Speaker 1: you have access to your bucks running around, like you said, everywhere,
Speaker 1: and they're roaring, which is a bone chilling sound. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: I kept asking be like, if you had no education
Speaker 1: about access steer and you were just in the woods somewhere,
Speaker 1: I don't care where you were at. It could be Texas,
Speaker 1: it could be wherever you grew up Idaho. Because I
Speaker 1: know it, and you heard that sound, would you not
Speaker 1: think it wasn't a dinosaur, a velociraptor. I think, like, wow, sasquatch. Eh, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's so it's the landscape is familiar. But this animal,
Speaker 1: as much as I have haunted them in the past
Speaker 1: couple of years and talked about them on this podcast
Speaker 1: and everywhere else, they're still unfamiliar. Still getting to know them.
Speaker 1: I have many, many decades of many many have to
Speaker 1: have three decades of experience with white tail deer. So
Speaker 1: I'm not just getting to know them. I know a
Speaker 1: lot about them. I know how they see, you know
Speaker 1: how they think, and what they eat, how they travel,
Speaker 1: and a lot of deer species do the same things.
Speaker 1: But we got to watch a lot of access to here.
Speaker 1: They don't do a lot of the things that white
Speaker 1: tailed deer. Dude, and they're just intrigue for for a
Speaker 1: number of reasons. But that brings me to why you
Speaker 1: and I have hunted it together what twice? Now, Uh,
Speaker 1: we're not lifelong friends, have known each other for a
Speaker 1: little bit of time, um, in the industry, and we've
Speaker 1: had those two experiences, and both experiences had failure in them. Ah,
Speaker 1: my failure and some yours or whatever. I mean people
Speaker 1: other people in camp sense some success and some failure.
Speaker 1: All of these hunting camps are like that. And UM,
Speaker 1: I don't know. We sure do you talk about our
Speaker 1: success enough? Because that's exciting and that's something that we value.
Speaker 1: That's what we're here to do, and we'll and and
Speaker 1: we're excited and we want to tell those stories. But
Speaker 1: there are stories of failure. I think it is equally
Speaker 1: as important as our stories of success. And you and
Speaker 1: I haven't really talked all about that, but I find
Speaker 1: that that like as as I know, you appreciate the
Speaker 1: experience of honey as much as I do. And so
Speaker 1: for me, when I sail an arrow over a buck's
Speaker 1: back at forty five yards, I'm smiling. I'm I'm happy
Speaker 1: at that happened. I'm not I'm not upset that I
Speaker 1: didn't kill it. I much rather would have done that.
Speaker 1: But I don't look at it as something necessarily lost,
Speaker 1: sik at us an opportunity gained and I'll be better
Speaker 1: for the next one. Now you know we've both when
Speaker 1: we've hunted together wounded animals. Um, that's a whole different story.
Speaker 1: That's like the one thing that changes the game, because
Speaker 1: that affects the animal. Have you spook the animal in aarra,
Speaker 1: it doesn't affect too much. Um, So just talk about that,
Speaker 1: I mean talk about your you know, for me, I
Speaker 1: was in we were in Lenai a month ago for
Speaker 1: episode thirteen, and I had nothing but failure. I mean
Speaker 1: so much failure that I wasn't sure if I could
Speaker 1: draw my bow back just because I didn't want to
Speaker 1: let it down again, that's not we're shooting there And
Speaker 1: watched the access You're ducket again. Um, I came here
Speaker 1: and I had a media success first morning success boom. Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's important to talk about you. He had
Speaker 1: made mention of that after and I didn't realize that
Speaker 1: you had such a tough time in lnight trying to
Speaker 1: get a deer kill. I knew you didn't kill one,
Speaker 1: but um, you as soon as you, I mean do
Speaker 1: you had that first morning was absolutely amazing. We had
Speaker 1: a great, great morning hunt got into access to your
Speaker 1: learned it life lifetime of got a lifetime and knowledge
Speaker 1: of access deer. In that one morning we were close.
Speaker 1: We heard him calling. I saw him do all these
Speaker 1: things I never even knew they did. You shot a
Speaker 1: buck at forty yards and absolutely just made a perfect shot.
Speaker 1: Buck runs twenty forty yards, something tips over dead, like
Speaker 1: perfect scenario. And you I can't remember the exact quote
Speaker 1: or you're what you said exactly, but it was somewhere
Speaker 1: along the lines of man, all that, all those failures,
Speaker 1: and Lena, I really like honed me for this hunt
Speaker 1: like you were on it man like. I like, looking
Speaker 1: back now, I was like, man, Ben was dialed like
Speaker 1: the knew exactly what he needed to do, but knew
Speaker 1: exactly where he needed to place that arrow and it
Speaker 1: ended up being perfect. And that comes from all your
Speaker 1: failures that you had in Yeah, because you can't. You
Speaker 1: can't in the moment. You can't play them all back, right.
Speaker 1: If I was like, oh wait, deer, chill out, I
Speaker 1: have to replay all the moments to make sure I'm
Speaker 1: informed by them for this one, so I don't I
Speaker 1: don't fail. I don't feel giggs. I don't think I
Speaker 1: could do it. I don't think I can miss again
Speaker 1: or not get a shot again or whatever. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I just remember thinking there's there's two types.
Speaker 1: I mean, and uh, guys like around me Warrem will
Speaker 1: tell you about just being an arrow, like being confident
Speaker 1: in knowing if you're not worried about whether your gears
Speaker 1: is gonna perform, you're not worry worth about you can
Speaker 1: do it. You're just worried about that where that arrow goes,
Speaker 1: and you just kind of become it and you know
Speaker 1: where it's gonna go. You know it's gonna be good.
Speaker 1: And I don't often have that. I get you eat
Speaker 1: a lot of failure and you doubt yourself and just
Speaker 1: leads to bad stuff. I tell people all the time,
Speaker 1: like the absolute worst thing for me anyway, like to
Speaker 1: go on a hunt is to not have confidence in
Speaker 1: my equip it meant and not have confidence in yourself. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you go out with with those two things, you're
Speaker 1: you will not succeed. Yeah. And I had and I
Speaker 1: John Dudley telling me showed up to his place in
Speaker 1: Iowa with with a bow that wasn't sighted in and
Speaker 1: you know, I've got a travel's kidder that's crazy, and
Speaker 1: a job and a kid and life got crazy and
Speaker 1: I didn't shoot my bow as much as I should have,
Speaker 1: and I showed up there and he's just like, look, man,
Speaker 1: this is part of this like step your game up.
Speaker 1: You know, he was just honest with the step your
Speaker 1: game up. Um, He's like, I've huntled with you four
Speaker 1: or five times, and and the three times you showed
Speaker 1: up with a bow that you were confident with you
Speaker 1: killed stuff. And the times that you show up and
Speaker 1: you're like, I still need to shoot a little bit
Speaker 1: are the times where it's it gets you're thinking about
Speaker 1: other things. You're not comfortable with that stuff. So yeah,
Speaker 1: when you spend five days failing with a bow and
Speaker 1: with it the set up and with an animal, a
Speaker 1: certain type of animal, I mean, it sharpens you. If
Speaker 1: you were you know, if you just go out s
Speaker 1: see the first time, I'm sure you learn things and
Speaker 1: but there's no the level of frustration causes you to
Speaker 1: want to get better. And then you go out there
Speaker 1: kind of unwilling to feel that again, and that unwillingness
Speaker 1: sharpens everything. And you I was just pretty determined no, man,
Speaker 1: I saw it in your eyes, like and especially looking
Speaker 1: back and knowing like I said, I didn't know exactly
Speaker 1: just struggle you had over there in the and I
Speaker 1: trying to kill one of these deer. But yeah, looking back,
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I could be like, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like you had that predator instinct in him, you know.
Speaker 1: And as I used to tell that to my dad,
Speaker 1: I remember, like I thought about this day and and
Speaker 1: in all honesty and fairness, I will be like, I
Speaker 1: have to tell you, like I am in a bad
Speaker 1: spot right now, Like I went through some stuff like
Speaker 1: when I left. So what happened I guess we can
Speaker 1: talk about that is I mean, um, the first day
Speaker 1: I didn't really hunt. I had just had so much
Speaker 1: fun following Ben and call around that I was like,
Speaker 1: I'll just run the camera and uh try to capture
Speaker 1: as much as this as I can because it was
Speaker 1: so much fun. And we we captured some amazing content.
Speaker 1: And so yesterday right it was the first day I hunted,
Speaker 1: and Bennett killed his deer, killed a deer, a buck,
Speaker 1: and uh Cal had some chances. And then yesterday morning
Speaker 1: we went to a location and we got in on
Speaker 1: the tier and it was my turn to be the shooter,
Speaker 1: I guess, and we got into this water hole. We
Speaker 1: basically stalked a buck for a while, and then we
Speaker 1: realized he's headed this water hole. Let's just me and
Speaker 1: Ben both looked at each other and said, we gotta
Speaker 1: get to the water hole. Beautiful, but one of the
Speaker 1: bigger ones we saw. So we gets the water hole.
Speaker 1: It's it was just awesome deer everywhere. It was drawn
Speaker 1: back on that one deer that we we spotted there
Speaker 1: or stalked there forty three yards never never presented a
Speaker 1: shot and dude, and and even to go back further.
Speaker 1: The reason I'm saying I'm in a bad spot is
Speaker 1: because my archery elk hunt in Idaho last year was rough.
Speaker 1: I called a bull in the very first day, I
Speaker 1: was by myself called a bull. In filmed the whole
Speaker 1: thing by myself called him. In got so worked up
Speaker 1: I I accidentally punched my trigger when I wasn't ready
Speaker 1: to shoot. Uh missed the bull. The arrow kind of
Speaker 1: like flopped off throto the side of him. I found
Speaker 1: the arrow, no no blood or hair. The bull is
Speaker 1: finally got ended up getting killed, and then we hunted
Speaker 1: seventeen days in a row with the Born and Raised crew,
Speaker 1: and Trevor killed a bull. Anyway the last second last day,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, it's it's my turn again, Like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill a bull, like it's feeling pretty down
Speaker 1: about my shooting, my abilities. Same thing, man, bull comes
Speaker 1: in and it's not my shooting, it's it's my mental
Speaker 1: game is way off. Anyway, bull comes into thirty five yards.
Speaker 1: I just made some serious, like mental mistakes and missed
Speaker 1: completely missed the bull, which was great, you know, and
Speaker 1: like you said earlier, like I can look at it
Speaker 1: and be like, no harm, no foul. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, I have an archery hunt it since then,
Speaker 1: I don't believe. And so I've been thinking about that
Speaker 1: from last six or eight, right, And I was the
Speaker 1: same thing, like I told myself, I'm gonna be better,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot more, I'm gonna practice, I'm gonna figure
Speaker 1: this out. Like life happens, I don't get to shoot
Speaker 1: as much as I want to have four kids. My
Speaker 1: wife like, I shoot as much as I can. But
Speaker 1: so coming on this hunt, I shot. I probably knew
Speaker 1: about this for a week before we came down I
Speaker 1: shot every day, like, Okay, I gotta get the bowl out,
Speaker 1: shoot retuned it. Like I was feeling pretty good coming
Speaker 1: into this, shooting out to sixty five seventy yards at
Speaker 1: the house, but feeling pretty good about this anyway. So
Speaker 1: yesterday morning, um, wonderful morning. Buck never presents a show,
Speaker 1: runs off. Another buck comes in, beautiful buck, and he
Speaker 1: was he was kind of he knew it. The water hole.
Speaker 1: We just sat at that water hole. It was hot,
Speaker 1: it was like hundred degrees and we're like, we're just
Speaker 1: gonna stay at this water hole, will build a little blind,
Speaker 1: we'll see see what comes in and not, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Forty five minutes after we got settled in, here comes
Speaker 1: a big old fat velvet buck. Beautiful buck. Yeah. Like
Speaker 1: when I saw him, I was like, I don't ever Like, obviously,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to score an access to here.
Speaker 1: But it's never about scores, about my instant reaction to
Speaker 1: when I see an animal, is it is it? Do
Speaker 1: I get excited? Great? Big enough for me? And that's yeah,
Speaker 1: this is just for general practice. Its beautiful beautiful anyway
Speaker 1: comes in kind of knows something's up, spooks they barked
Speaker 1: just like an elk if you hunted before they bark
Speaker 1: for like a warning sign, like what are you like?
Speaker 1: Come out? He barked a few times. Um I got
Speaker 1: drawn back anyway, he runs out, says you have to
Speaker 1: shoot him when he stops, like this will be your
Speaker 1: own chance ranged him. Felt confident And all I've ever
Speaker 1: heard about access to your when you're shooting at him
Speaker 1: is they're kg little buggers, Like they will jump your string.
Speaker 1: I've heard that from guys at twenty yards, at thirty yards.
Speaker 1: I was at sixty five, and like, this thing is
Speaker 1: gonna jump my string. And I felt like mentally I
Speaker 1: was in it, like I wasn't like didn't have the
Speaker 1: quotation buck fever they call it. I felt like I
Speaker 1: really talked myself through this shot. You did too, And
Speaker 1: I was watched and i'm i'm, I'm I've seen access
Speaker 1: to your put their bellies in the dirt on a
Speaker 1: bowshot at yards. Yeah, to the point where there's no
Speaker 1: way you would have had to aim at the bottom
Speaker 1: of their stomach. That hit him in the backstrap. That's well,
Speaker 1: And that's what I did with this, I thought, And
Speaker 1: obviously I aimed a little bit too low, but sixty five.
Speaker 1: That's the last thing I said is this is a
Speaker 1: long shot. I'm comfortable with this shot. But at this shot,
Speaker 1: any animal jumped the string. Yeah. I have a short drawing,
Speaker 1: I have short arms. I'm not shooting a super fast bow.
Speaker 1: But that so the last thing I remember is just
Speaker 1: go low of his body like and maybe it was
Speaker 1: an inch is what I felt like. It was release
Speaker 1: zero And in my head, I'm like arrows sailing through
Speaker 1: the air and it slows down, you know. And now
Speaker 1: I think back, like I remember the thoughts I was having.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's a that's a dead buck, Like
Speaker 1: he's gonna sink right into it. Anyway, erro go flying
Speaker 1: and just you see it arching down and the deer
Speaker 1: never moved a muscle. He just statue. He just statuted me,
Speaker 1: like watch the ero go below it. Oh you had him.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, here it goes. And then I
Speaker 1: saw that air dropping in to the boiler room. I thought,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, like he's gonna synk right into this scene.
Speaker 1: Never moved shot. I don't know right below. I mean
Speaker 1: I think you might have, you know, give a shave ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was close, but I mean, so for that experience.
Speaker 1: I was like, well that was I felt great about
Speaker 1: the shot. I talked myself through and that was. That's
Speaker 1: been my motto since last year, was just slow it down,
Speaker 1: talk yourself through this. You do it all summer long,
Speaker 1: you go to these total archery challenges and shoot, like,
Speaker 1: just slow it down and do that. I feel like
Speaker 1: I get rushed sometimes and I see an animal and
Speaker 1: you work so hard to do it sometimes that when
Speaker 1: you are presenting that opportunity you've been hunting for, it's
Speaker 1: like I've got to do it now. I've got to
Speaker 1: do it now else I'll never have that chance again.
Speaker 1: That I feel like I followed it anyway. I talked
Speaker 1: myself through it. That was a great shot. I just
Speaker 1: didn't do what I thought he was gonna do. Me
Speaker 1: and Ben talked about it. Ben, you were great by
Speaker 1: the way you were like, man, you did everything perfect.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about that. That was a great shot. That's
Speaker 1: what I would have done. Well. Then we're talking to
Speaker 1: the guy back at camp and he's like, no, no, actually, dear,
Speaker 1: do not they They'll they just stand there and take it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, really, I just I and I My response
Speaker 1: was listen, man, I've shot an arrow maybe ten access
Speaker 1: dear in my life, and not one of them stood
Speaker 1: there and took it. Y the ones that I've killed,
Speaker 1: one actually one I killed. I shot at them from
Speaker 1: so far away there's no way you canna heard the string,
Speaker 1: and lucky I got um. And this the one I
Speaker 1: shot the other day, it was full rut like he
Speaker 1: he didn't know anything, what's going on? We're lucky, lucky
Speaker 1: to have that, so he wouldn't go jomp any strings.
Speaker 1: But I missed two or three does and one and
Speaker 1: I were it just was. It was ridiculous, the amount
Speaker 1: that they would move in the short time frame that
Speaker 1: the air was in the air and it's headed their way.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeah. So yeah, we get back to cam
Speaker 1: Tore like, oh no, let's sit take it. So then
Speaker 1: I'm like that's weighing on my head, like okay, so
Speaker 1: maybe I should just put it, you know. And I
Speaker 1: would never recommend now looking back, like you should never
Speaker 1: hold off the body. I don't think in case of
Speaker 1: that situation, like no, I should have held you know,
Speaker 1: you just read the animal. You just don't read the animal.
Speaker 1: I don't. For me. The thing that I've learned it
Speaker 1: just got to read the animal. And if that theor
Speaker 1: is looking at you. And then in the case of
Speaker 1: that dear he spooked off the water hole, he was
Speaker 1: looking at us. Yeah, and you're thinking, if he's on alert,
Speaker 1: he's he knows we're here, you know something's up, he's
Speaker 1: gonna be jumping. But if he's just drinking all he's
Speaker 1: just having a drink, he''s gonna take him a little
Speaker 1: bit more time to pick this up. And so you're
Speaker 1: just you're reading the animal, you're reading the situation. You're
Speaker 1: using your past experience to say, like is this going
Speaker 1: to is this gonna happen? What you know, how is
Speaker 1: this going to happen? And you're processing all of that
Speaker 1: and what is seconds? Seconds? And it The funny thing
Speaker 1: for me is that it's like I said, it's that
Speaker 1: sharpened mentality that that you can sluugh off. You're just
Speaker 1: slough off all that ship. It's like, well, I don't
Speaker 1: get Hildy ducks it or not, it's going it's gonna
Speaker 1: hit him. Um. That sounds like an overly simplistical way
Speaker 1: of thinking about it. But once you've had all the
Speaker 1: failures and those things have happened, then you're you're able
Speaker 1: to kind of just them up in your head just
Speaker 1: to say, like I've seen this for I know what
Speaker 1: this is, I know how this goes well, I know
Speaker 1: how this goes bad, and I am going to make
Speaker 1: it go well. I'm going to and that's going to happen.
Speaker 1: And you just and that goes down to practice too,
Speaker 1: right when it comes down to like a second comfortable Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think for practice, I mean it's just can't practice
Speaker 1: all that is for well, no, but I feel like
Speaker 1: for what practices that it's all repetition, right, it's muscle memory.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, shooting a bow is and so you
Speaker 1: do it enough and it's it's practicing correctly is a
Speaker 1: big thing too. And there I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things. I've been shooting a bow since I was
Speaker 1: eight years old. I'm thirty six years old. Like I've
Speaker 1: been seriously shooting a bow like with my dad my
Speaker 1: whole life basically. And I've hunted since I was twelve
Speaker 1: with a bow and been very fortunate to kill I
Speaker 1: think ten elk with my bow now, Like i feel
Speaker 1: like I'm not accomplished, but I feel like I'm a
Speaker 1: seasoned bow hunter. Yeah, let's I mean, that's a good
Speaker 1: point to make. And I would say this too. So
Speaker 1: much of what the bow hunting community is now is
Speaker 1: is about this. This glorifying of professional professional hunters is
Speaker 1: not the term, but but professional industry folks, guys that
Speaker 1: are on TV or on do this, UM on your case,
Speaker 1: on YouTube or wherever your platform is, and you have
Speaker 1: to be you don't have to be, but your your
Speaker 1: brands like you a lot better if you're an expert,
Speaker 1: and they like you a lot better if you're really
Speaker 1: good at it, because that that adds value to what
Speaker 1: you do. And it's almost like there's no room for
Speaker 1: a normal guy who's a serious bow hunter just feeling
Speaker 1: it out and gets all kinds of awesome opportunities and
Speaker 1: sometimes it makes it work, sometimes it doesn't work. UM
Speaker 1: and just tells that entire story. And I'm sure I
Speaker 1: imagine you would agree with the point that, like you
Speaker 1: and I are both just normal guys. We don't under
Speaker 1: percent it's normal. I don't. I'm terrible at a lot
Speaker 1: of things like my hand, eye coord name, my jump
Speaker 1: shot is ten year old girl, no fasted ten year
Speaker 1: old girls are a lot of them skilled, but they're
Speaker 1: draining three girls out there right now that are offended
Speaker 1: by what you just I'm sorry, ten year old girls,
Speaker 1: don't write into Ben and home Mark, don't be listening
Speaker 1: to podcasts. No, I would. That's what I would say
Speaker 1: is like I feel like people think that since we
Speaker 1: do this for a living, that we're like, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: like this professional yeah, like oh wait, hold on, you're
Speaker 1: making con YouTube or like whatever content, you're making hunting
Speaker 1: content and putting it out there and getting paid to
Speaker 1: dored bear. Yeah. I've never claimed to be I hate
Speaker 1: the word professional hunter. I don't. I feel like a
Speaker 1: professional hunter is somebody gets paid to go out and
Speaker 1: kill animals for the government. Like that's like terminology that's
Speaker 1: using pretty specially in Africa for yeah, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: like to keep it there. I don't use that terms
Speaker 1: specifically because it's it's it's a term that's using Africa
Speaker 1: and more appropriate there. But um, yeah, so I think
Speaker 1: there's this level that's my failure to me, is this
Speaker 1: like this important discussion? Um, and you think it would
Speaker 1: be in sports, failure is evident because most of us
Speaker 1: getting filmed or there's an audience that's watching it. Live
Speaker 1: and in hunting, nobody's watching, so you can shape the
Speaker 1: story however you want. Well, that's the thing too, and
Speaker 1: that's what I definitely wanted to talk about, is man,
Speaker 1: you know, there's three of us that do hush and
Speaker 1: and uh. We are all very normal people, like maybe
Speaker 1: even below normal. I don't know, below average guys never
Speaker 1: taking an AT test, Probably way below. But I would say,
Speaker 1: like on a scale of of hunters that have hunted
Speaker 1: a long time, I think we obviously we fall in
Speaker 1: that category. We've all hunted. We all were fortunate to
Speaker 1: have great dads that taught us how to hunt. We're
Speaker 1: kids since we've done it all our lives. But by
Speaker 1: no means have we ever like done anything to like
Speaker 1: put us like set as apart. I think there's guys
Speaker 1: out there, like I look at people like Adam green
Speaker 1: Tree and Rammy Warren for for sure, Like I look
Speaker 1: at those guys and I'm like, if I would ever
Speaker 1: use that or throw that term around like professional hunter,
Speaker 1: those guys would be it, because like I watched what
Speaker 1: they do and they're legit, like right, and they did.
Speaker 1: Those guys, I don't know that if they came to it.
Speaker 1: There's no application process. People see it and they know
Speaker 1: it and and that's how it works. But like like
Speaker 1: you say, you have a choice. When you're a content creator,
Speaker 1: you have a choice to present what story you guys
Speaker 1: have a choice to present. Edit out things that aren't flat,
Speaker 1: that aren't flattering. You have a choice to and eyes
Speaker 1: do I to just put up? Like you know, I
Speaker 1: put I made a post on the old instagrams there
Speaker 1: uh during the lane, I has just said I am
Speaker 1: terrible at this. And it was like if if if
Speaker 1: that was like a live sporting event and people had
Speaker 1: followed me for five days, Like I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: on a golf course and they're following my group on
Speaker 1: CBS or something, Jim Nance would be talking all types
Speaker 1: of ship on me, like bank can't drive, he can't putty,
Speaker 1: can't ship. He's falling down, he fell out of the
Speaker 1: golf cart, he ran into a lake. He's drunk. Jim
Speaker 1: Nance too. I wish we could get ym Nasces coming.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna find somebody that's gonna talk about you'd
Speaker 1: be be Chim names Jim Nance. I'd love to have
Speaker 1: Jim Nance calm and just be there, like I need
Speaker 1: who been there coming in. Benner Brand pulls the boll back,
Speaker 1: Harol falls off, and an armadillo bites in the foot.
Speaker 1: He falls over. We didn't even talk about the armadillos.
Speaker 1: I'm not going back to that conversation. Armadillos give you leprosy, Okay,
Speaker 1: people look it up, pick it up. There should be
Speaker 1: a waiver you have to sign before you come into
Speaker 1: the state of Texas. I know these things. Did you
Speaker 1: know you can get leprosy from a biblical plague, plague
Speaker 1: that wiped out billions of people, and I thought it
Speaker 1: was gone. I thought it was off. The hurt and
Speaker 1: leprosy doesn't mean like you turned green and go to Ireland.
Speaker 1: It means you just boil your skin, boils off. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about that from it. Did you know that? Though? Before?
Speaker 1: The other night before Ryan Callahan was trying to catch
Speaker 1: an armadillo and the guy said, don't do that, you
Speaker 1: get leprosy. I might have like it much like that
Speaker 1: rare meat. Diuse'se like I've read an article and then
Speaker 1: just going like a great oh an anomaly. Yeah, but again,
Speaker 1: let's not get but here you go anyway, Yes, public
Speaker 1: service announcement, don't play with the armadillo. It might give
Speaker 1: you leprosy. And if if you can't eat meat and
Speaker 1: you got leprosy, what can you do? Anyways? Like if
Speaker 1: Jim Nance came along from my Arla and I hunt,
Speaker 1: he would have been like he would have filing like
Speaker 1: Shane do orry you're having like Shane draw, he shoots, said,
Speaker 1: kills a buck and he gets a troupe. Are like
Speaker 1: down back to Ben O'Brien's group. Oh he's lost a boot.
Speaker 1: Why is he in the road? Why is he walking
Speaker 1: down the hard road like this guy? Because how I felt,
Speaker 1: I felt just like a a stooge. And um, I
Speaker 1: just felt like I wish all the people uh that
Speaker 1: would ever look at anything I ever did and hunting
Speaker 1: could see this right now, because they would be like,
Speaker 1: oh okay. A lot of them be like what a loser,
Speaker 1: But some of them be like that was a real guy.
Speaker 1: They're just just having a bad week. Man having a
Speaker 1: bad week. He knows what to do. I went to
Speaker 1: the nine last year and shot of a good bucket
Speaker 1: eighty yards and I thought, nanswermen like O'Brien takes the
Speaker 1: shots before the wind, he drives it and holding one
Speaker 1: and so I go back there this year kind of
Speaker 1: like nonchalantly thinking I want to get Henna something happened, ah,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't happen, And so I guess, you know,
Speaker 1: I really just wanted to want to talk about because
Speaker 1: I go it goes back to our hunt in Colorado,
Speaker 1: and I was coming off the same as you. I
Speaker 1: was in at the desirette Um a bunch of really
Speaker 1: great hunters, and I screwed the pooch on film and
Speaker 1: had to shot at Elk at thirty three yards in
Speaker 1: the ass and then had to go get a rifle
Speaker 1: and finish the mall. And I and I didn't have
Speaker 1: another bow hunt until in November. And when I showed
Speaker 1: up in October to hunt deer with you guys, I
Speaker 1: that's where I was at. And I was also just
Speaker 1: bow hunting good Ton and so I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: rifle easy, I'll just show up. They'll hand me this
Speaker 1: brand new weather being. Yeah, you're you're just a shooter.
Speaker 1: Peo peo pew and dead buck. Well le's if I
Speaker 1: say it was it was a joke. And wounded a
Speaker 1: buck and luckily tracked him down and shot him. Um,
Speaker 1: and then there was like that's two hunts in a row.
Speaker 1: That was the massive failures. After I had like six
Speaker 1: or seven hunts that were very very successful, and uh
Speaker 1: showed up to Iowa a couple of weeks after I
Speaker 1: was with you guys and and shot a good buck
Speaker 1: with the boat that wasn't out in because I had
Speaker 1: to buzz with a bunch of reasons, shot a good
Speaker 1: buck and had success. Um and then went to you know,
Speaker 1: I went to Mexico and a good cure. So anyway,
Speaker 1: we don't need the full list of things, but it's
Speaker 1: it's it's a I think for normal people with a
Speaker 1: lot of opportunities to go hunting, it's a it's up
Speaker 1: and down, up and down. Going back to the point
Speaker 1: you're making is yeah, we do have the choice to
Speaker 1: show what what we choose to show. But I have
Speaker 1: always been very um passionate and adamant, I should say,
Speaker 1: is the word that we show it how it is like,
Speaker 1: we have a really cool platform and it's not a
Speaker 1: TV show. It is on YouTube, and I like I
Speaker 1: like the way we do it because it's just like
Speaker 1: hanging out. I want the audience to feel like they're
Speaker 1: just hanging out with us, and so it's you know,
Speaker 1: not reality to TV. But it's not highly polished, highly
Speaker 1: produced stuff. It's just stuff we shoot ourselves a lot
Speaker 1: of times holding our own camera, filming ourselves what they
Speaker 1: call vlogging anyway, and and and we show it, and
Speaker 1: we want people to feel like they're just hanging out
Speaker 1: with us. We want people, I want people to feel
Speaker 1: like they are learning with us, because going back to
Speaker 1: us being very average people and maybe a little bit
Speaker 1: below average hunters, that we are learning as we're creating
Speaker 1: this content. We want the audience to be right there
Speaker 1: with us learning too, because there's a lot more average
Speaker 1: Joe's out there than there are studs like Remy Warrant
Speaker 1: or or Adam or uh Adam green Tree. But we
Speaker 1: I've always been very adamant about showing what goes on
Speaker 1: because I tell people all the time, and I we
Speaker 1: have people tell us, hey, man, I love the way
Speaker 1: you guys shoot it. I just always just feel like
Speaker 1: I'm there with you guys. I feel like I know
Speaker 1: you guys, like I've never met you in this might
Speaker 1: sound weird, but I feel like I know it. So
Speaker 1: I feel like it would be doing a giant in
Speaker 1: just service by editing out stuff that happened that maybe
Speaker 1: we don't want people to know about. And that's what
Speaker 1: I tell my partner's Brian and Eric, is you know,
Speaker 1: if we go into it and go into everything and
Speaker 1: it's not just this YouTube team we do, but if
Speaker 1: you do everything in life with a confidence that you
Speaker 1: think it's right. Do you think what you're doing is right?
Speaker 1: You should have nothing ever to hide. Right. You should
Speaker 1: your life should just be what you think is right.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not right, but in your heart you're thinking
Speaker 1: it's That's why they say, like Zuckerberg's tap on your phone,
Speaker 1: I'm I don't give a ship get in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I always wonder that too, Like the people get
Speaker 1: so mad, I'm like, what are you hiding pictures of
Speaker 1: my son? And like you know, pictures of animals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but guys, I have some pictures for you. But to
Speaker 1: go back to, uh, yeah, the honey thing. Like I
Speaker 1: tell Eric and Bryant, man, if we always go into
Speaker 1: every situation with hunting and say, hey, just do everything
Speaker 1: we think is right, then we should never have to
Speaker 1: cut anything out. Even though we get a hard time
Speaker 1: because we've showed a lot of a lot of misses
Speaker 1: or we've wounded animals and we've shown that and people
Speaker 1: are like, hey, like I thought you guys were supposed
Speaker 1: to be professional hunters and you wound animals all the time.
Speaker 1: I never see that on TV or so and so
Speaker 1: never does that. And I'm like, well, I don't know
Speaker 1: what so and so does, but I can tell you this.
Speaker 1: What you see is what really happens. Like I missed
Speaker 1: three what I would call awesome, the most beautiful access
Speaker 1: dear I've ever seen. I missed three of them this week,
Speaker 1: and I will show all of those. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: didn't miss the last one. We have talked about this
Speaker 1: and I guess we're getting to it. But uh so anyway, yeah,
Speaker 1: so in my head that this this was last night,
Speaker 1: we go back out and I'm like, oh, so they
Speaker 1: don't jump the string, Like maybe they're a little different
Speaker 1: on this ranch. And that's what I was talking about,
Speaker 1: was like, look, this is a different place, a different ranch.
Speaker 1: These animals don't see a lot of folks. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of white tail hunters here, turkey hunters, um. But
Speaker 1: at some corners of this ranch where we were, you know,
Speaker 1: they let us out of the truck and let us
Speaker 1: go walking around to do our to just freelance to
Speaker 1: our thing. You know, maybe that these deer just are
Speaker 1: a little more comfortable than the ones uh in lan
Speaker 1: I or but maybe they just are wired a little
Speaker 1: bit differently. They have been pushed around as much um
Speaker 1: and maybe their nature is just a little bit dulled,
Speaker 1: because I do feel by nature that these these deers
Speaker 1: just a little bit more switched on. Yeah, so we're like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, makes sense that one didn't jump the string
Speaker 1: go back to the same water hole. We we kind
Speaker 1: even knew the program because we'd watch these deer for
Speaker 1: so long and there was just an absolute ton of
Speaker 1: deer in there anyway. So we get set up on
Speaker 1: the water hole pretty early, had some deer come by.
Speaker 1: I had a ton of action come by anyway, about
Speaker 1: six o'clock magical hour or whatever, just like clockwork, just
Speaker 1: another beautiful buck comes in. And we had been set
Speaker 1: up on this road and then there was a fence
Speaker 1: on the other side of the road and the water
Speaker 1: hole set to our direct left. What I mean Ben
Speaker 1: saw in the morning was when these deer come out
Speaker 1: of the trees and go to the water hole, the
Speaker 1: majority of them would jump the fence and land on
Speaker 1: the road and then walk down this little funnel into
Speaker 1: the water hole. And so the way we set up
Speaker 1: our blind was behind the fence. This was going through
Speaker 1: my head. I don't know if you were thinking about this,
Speaker 1: but I was like, this is perfect because if they
Speaker 1: come and jump the fence where they were this morning
Speaker 1: when they jumped the fence there behind a tree, and
Speaker 1: they can't hear very well with them with their hooves
Speaker 1: landing on the gravel. So that's a great time to
Speaker 1: draw your bow. They walk out of the tree twenty
Speaker 1: yards it's easy. Yeah. So what we learned pretty early
Speaker 1: was the deer weren't doing our program. They were coming
Speaker 1: in behind us. So yeah, the problem is there's so
Speaker 1: many deer and they all want to get a drink
Speaker 1: with a hundred degrees and they're coming from every conceivable.
Speaker 1: So you have, yeah, deer coming in behind you barking
Speaker 1: at you that are scaring the other deer there supposed
Speaker 1: to be coming in anyway, it was fun that we
Speaker 1: had a blast. We had deer come in. We I
Speaker 1: think we ended up sitting on one of the most
Speaker 1: popular trails too could travel to the water hole because
Speaker 1: we had bucks that showed up like four yards away
Speaker 1: from us, and we're like wow, were like, maybe we're
Speaker 1: a little too close anyway, So finally this tear comes
Speaker 1: and jumps the fence. He he read the script like
Speaker 1: we wanted, jumps the fence, lands on the road. I
Speaker 1: draw my bow back and perfectly, and as soon as
Speaker 1: he lands, he decided he was going to run through
Speaker 1: the shooting window I had and just run to the
Speaker 1: water holes fast that he could. So he jumps the fence.
Speaker 1: I'm getting excited, like this is gonna work out just
Speaker 1: like we planned, like twenty yards shot, like and and
Speaker 1: in my head, I'm thinking about these things, like I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about my Missus from last year. I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: that sixty yard shot I took in the morning. Oh
Speaker 1: and there was a deer I missed at fifty two
Speaker 1: yards before that that came into the water hole. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is a big part of the stories. Came
Speaker 1: into the water hole and it was fifty two yards
Speaker 1: and arrange him. He was a little on alert, ranged
Speaker 1: him and and uh Ben got the camera set up
Speaker 1: the best way he could and uh you can get
Speaker 1: you'll see if you watch the Hushing channel. You'll see
Speaker 1: the great a great oak tree. Yeah, I filmed during
Speaker 1: and that's it. He was drinking. I thought I had
Speaker 1: him dead dead right, Like I I felt very confident
Speaker 1: with that shot as well, aimed right at him, and
Speaker 1: he was, like I said, on un alert a little bit.
Speaker 1: But I felt like as soon as I touched that trigger,
Speaker 1: like yeah, he had spun in a D and eighty
Speaker 1: degree obviously and was running away before my arrow over
Speaker 1: got to where he was at, I was just like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, Like and I didn't think much of I
Speaker 1: just like what do you do there? Like? He just well,
Speaker 1: we kept talking about It's like, dude, you gotta you know,
Speaker 1: this is just a race that remembers you didn't do
Speaker 1: anything wrong. You didn't jump the trigger, you didn't make
Speaker 1: a bad shot, you didn't rush it, do anything. It's
Speaker 1: like this. Continue to go and and and make these
Speaker 1: decisions and and so far they're all have been the right.
Speaker 1: Well and you're not. You didn't go to a knee
Speaker 1: when you shouldn't have. If you didn't, you lose your form.
Speaker 1: You didn't you know, try to watch the arrow. I
Speaker 1: was staying right, sigeant tell all those things. But then
Speaker 1: you know, here's the situation where you do everything right
Speaker 1: and still and still you have no control. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think that's a good thing to make mention of.
Speaker 1: Is man Like, these are wild animals. They do some
Speaker 1: pretty crazy things. They survive in this country. Like all
Speaker 1: those things we just talked about that I'm definitely afraid
Speaker 1: of and worried about. They survived that three sixty five
Speaker 1: days a year, ticks, rattlesnakes, all that. Anyway, So yeah,
Speaker 1: they're gonna win something, right. I don't feel like we lost.
Speaker 1: They just win something. Well, that's what. Yeah. Sometimes it
Speaker 1: just goes their way and that's honey, it shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: And I get that anyway. So that's in my head.
Speaker 1: But I didn't think much of it. Like you said,
Speaker 1: I think feel like we do everything right. So this
Speaker 1: deer reads the program and he reads the script and
Speaker 1: it's following the program we want. And he jumps a
Speaker 1: fence and like I said, he was supposed to jump
Speaker 1: and land on the road like most of them, to stop,
Speaker 1: look around, and then walk out of the pine. When
Speaker 1: I'm at full draw or it's not a pine tree,
Speaker 1: walk out of the tree at full draw twenty two yards.
Speaker 1: I think it was what it ranged at. Shoot him,
Speaker 1: and and then in my head, I'm like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is that shot I need. I need that confidence builder
Speaker 1: where I pulled back. I'm good for a while. I
Speaker 1: feel good. You know, it gets solid. Fifteen seconds, twenty seconds,
Speaker 1: You're feeling good. You're thinking about these things. He walks out,
Speaker 1: you make a noise, wait for him to stop, you
Speaker 1: shoot him, make a perfect shot, and you watch him die. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well he jumps a fence and all this stuff going
Speaker 1: through my head, and for some reason, in my head,
Speaker 1: I think there was some other deer there. I think
Speaker 1: he was trying to be the aggressor. And so he
Speaker 1: jumps a fence and just runs to the water hole
Speaker 1: as fast as you can, and all the other deer runaway.
Speaker 1: So now you have this opportunity that you visualized and
Speaker 1: you're prepared for it, and you're drawn and it's like
Speaker 1: I got it. Damn Yeah. I was like what I
Speaker 1: was like, what is this? Where's he going? And he
Speaker 1: gets to the water hole and once again like he
Speaker 1: goes to the water hole search feeding, and he was
Speaker 1: not on high alard at all. I didn't think he
Speaker 1: wasn't at all. He's drinking. Yeah, And I had ranged
Speaker 1: that spot and it was thirty one yards. And I
Speaker 1: would say this about highlard. I think any animal a
Speaker 1: lot of unglods, but but acts deer inarticular are on
Speaker 1: high alard at some level. Try it all the time,
Speaker 1: but definitely in a water hole. He wasn't looking around.
Speaker 1: He wasn't like barking like some had been. He wasn't
Speaker 1: looking at us. No, he wasn't looking at us. I
Speaker 1: think he spooked those deer off and he was kind
Speaker 1: of just watching them and then he went to go water.
Speaker 1: He was thirty one yards. I was set at thirty
Speaker 1: yards like I'm like, show me your pin afterwards like yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like okay, Like it's not the twenty yards shop
Speaker 1: at the third yard. This is like the shot was
Speaker 1: it was. It felt good, like all right. I was
Speaker 1: like you wanna Ben been rounding the camera and all
Speaker 1: those things are on ahead, and I'm like, okay, put
Speaker 1: the pen exactly where you want to hit thirty one yards.
Speaker 1: You know he's not looking at us, like you know,
Speaker 1: we had just been told they don't duck. I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, perfect, settled the pen, felt comfortable. Remember checking
Speaker 1: my bubble. I remember, I remember thinking, just follow through.
Speaker 1: I shoot and instantly like I'm like, whoa, he moved
Speaker 1: a lot and him running away. My initial reaction was
Speaker 1: damn it, like I just made a bad shot because
Speaker 1: I could see the arrow and to me, it looked
Speaker 1: like the arrow had gone through just above it. Look
Speaker 1: to me, it looked like he went through his backstrap
Speaker 1: just below the spine and it was sticking out the
Speaker 1: other side with the fletching still embedded in his in
Speaker 1: his hide and it it was super high. And I
Speaker 1: was just like, oh, great, nice Ben, He's like yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounded good like And so then we watched the
Speaker 1: video back and try to figure out where he ran.
Speaker 1: Ben founded two drops of blood and we tracked around
Speaker 1: for two two and a half three hours until they
Speaker 1: can't pick up but um watching and it was weird,
Speaker 1: like the video was weird, like at one point we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you smoked him or perfect shot. Oh you hit him high,
Speaker 1: high shoulder, and then it was like you might hit
Speaker 1: him in the backstrap. Bro, It's tough to see on
Speaker 1: that little camera. But brought the footage back, watched it
Speaker 1: on the laptop. The first time we watched we were like, yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: literally his belly hit the ground. Well, not only did
Speaker 1: belly hit the ground, but his haunches went down and
Speaker 1: he was like turning his body. And I've seen that
Speaker 1: a lot with access there. I've seen that arrow gets
Speaker 1: there and their body is contorted and your arrow might
Speaker 1: hit him. You might be aiming for their long you know,
Speaker 1: front shoulder, and you might hit him at the top
Speaker 1: of the spot, right at their tail. Yeah, there's so
Speaker 1: much They're turning and ducky in the same time, so
Speaker 1: they're they're reacting in the natural wind and and ducking
Speaker 1: and turning and so yeah, man, we found zero drops
Speaker 1: of blood, Like, well, we found two little drops of
Speaker 1: blood right where we knew we ran and then watch
Speaker 1: the video and Saltwary went out of sight and tracked
Speaker 1: around and saw nothing, I mean nothing, and then came
Speaker 1: back here and got with the crew and then looked
Speaker 1: at the video and it was pretty apparent that they're
Speaker 1: kind of like entered right at his backstrap and kicked
Speaker 1: up and just got it was just under the high
Speaker 1: and it was sticking straight up in the air as
Speaker 1: he was running, and so we're reading that as a
Speaker 1: pass through it. Well, it was. It wouldn't even it
Speaker 1: barely looked like a barely nicked him, you know, just
Speaker 1: got in some meat just inside hot. And so now
Speaker 1: if you got to you know, you've got this. And
Speaker 1: and the rule here is if you if you draw blood,
Speaker 1: that's your tag. Yeah, that's your animals, your that's your animal.
Speaker 1: Which which is which changed the game in a good way? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: because if you get a bunch of eight holes like
Speaker 1: me run around flean arrows and everything, and you're not
Speaker 1: gonna have animals. Yeah. Yeah, it's a great little lotter
Speaker 1: of ranches are like that. So and I accepted. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, it is what it is, like it sucks,
Speaker 1: but you know, I was like, hey, you know, watching
Speaker 1: the video back, it's like, you know, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of times when you shoot at an animal, they
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. They don't know what that
Speaker 1: sound is. They just hear something and they might feel
Speaker 1: a little prick or a little poke and they run off.
Speaker 1: And sometimes they think, you know, especially now with what
Speaker 1: I'm running, they might think, oh it's a it was
Speaker 1: another buck that like came in behind me, sparred me
Speaker 1: or something. So I was in my head. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I bet that animal, that buck will come back in
Speaker 1: the morning. You know they're rutting hard. He's not gonna leave.
Speaker 1: So we went back and sat and he never came in.
Speaker 1: But had another phenomenal morning. But when I was going
Speaker 1: with this, when I was telling you, like I had
Speaker 1: this little experience when I, uh so, today was like
Speaker 1: meat hunting day for me, like, hopefully this buck comes in.
Speaker 1: If not, um, I had a chance to kill it
Speaker 1: though as well. And that's you know, my wife has
Speaker 1: been like you better bring something home because we're fresh
Speaker 1: out of steaks at the Butler household right now. Anyway,
Speaker 1: so today was meat hunting there for me and uh
Speaker 1: we had a phenomenal morning Cal. We watched Cal shoot
Speaker 1: a beautiful access deer which is stickbow. Like, I don't
Speaker 1: think a lot of games that the long bow the
Speaker 1: long bow. I don't think there's a lot of games
Speaker 1: out there doing that. I've never seen it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it ain't easy. So another phenomenal morning we do. We
Speaker 1: took a rifle with us. We're like, hey, worst case scenario, like,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, let's we'll take the rifle and we can
Speaker 1: shoot a couple of those with it, and um Cal
Speaker 1: shot his buck and then shot a doe with the
Speaker 1: with the rifle and it was super fun. And then
Speaker 1: I was like, Hey, I'm gonna walk up on this
Speaker 1: hill where we we'd seen a big group going and uh,
Speaker 1: see if I can find it, don't shoot one. Well
Speaker 1: I got up there and there was a lot of
Speaker 1: deer up there, and uh I snuck in. It was
Speaker 1: super fun there and there was literally hundreds of deer
Speaker 1: and I was like, and the problem was was I
Speaker 1: was trying to find a dough that was not covered
Speaker 1: up by another by another animal or there was an
Speaker 1: animal behind her, and dude, I had opportunities to shoot
Speaker 1: those and I couldn't do it. I was too worried
Speaker 1: about missing. It was running through my head so strongly
Speaker 1: like that I was, and I there was a point
Speaker 1: that I stopped. I'm like, man, this is bad. I'm
Speaker 1: in a bad place, like and they and they were
Speaker 1: eighty yards away with a rifle. Yeah yeah, And I
Speaker 1: could see it in you too, And but I got
Speaker 1: there just a couple like three weeks ago, to the
Speaker 1: point where like you, when you draw your back, I
Speaker 1: hope this doesn't go bad. And that is the exact
Speaker 1: thing that leads it to to going bad. And when
Speaker 1: you're lucky enough to go, you know, have a pretty
Speaker 1: packed hunting schedule that that just snowballs and it gets
Speaker 1: to the point where your practice becomes lacka days ago
Speaker 1: because you're thinking about like the agony of this thing.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of ways that's why hunting
Speaker 1: we love it so much, because we can't experience this
Speaker 1: like pretty acute agony that comes from having this desire
Speaker 1: to get this thing, and and and the wounding of
Speaker 1: an animal in and of itself is a terrible thing,
Speaker 1: terrible feeling. You feel almost better, it's like it's just
Speaker 1: a flesh when you feel better, but still um. When
Speaker 1: I shot that elkin, and even when it was and
Speaker 1: I knew we were going to kill with a rifle,
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, man, if somebody shot me in
Speaker 1: the guts with an arrow. I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: compassion or some sort of just reflection or what that
Speaker 1: feeling is, how you would judge that feeling. But it's
Speaker 1: intense ship it's not it's no joke, and it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel good and you and you're just like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to feel that again and I don't want that
Speaker 1: animal to feel that again. And it's almost you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to fling this arrow. Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's important and maybe that's why we have
Speaker 1: to go through some of these times. Is I think
Speaker 1: it's important that you recognize that you still have that
Speaker 1: you still feel that compassion. Like we've been able to hunt.
Speaker 1: We're very fortunate people and being able to you know,
Speaker 1: travel all over and do a lot of hunting and
Speaker 1: kill a lot of animals. And I feel like if
Speaker 1: you ever lost that, that's probably a good time to
Speaker 1: like reconsider a re establish. Yeah, And I think your
Speaker 1: passion for why you're hunting because and I don't know
Speaker 1: it if it's yeah, compassion for the animal. And that's
Speaker 1: the way I feel. It's the way I look at
Speaker 1: it is. You know, I always think this, this animal
Speaker 1: is living right now, and with one action, I can
Speaker 1: make his make that animal's life end. And I want
Speaker 1: to do it the fastest way possible. Yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to make the very best shot and so it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel it. And I don't think animals think those same
Speaker 1: way humans do, like oh my gosh, I've just been shot,
Speaker 1: like they feel steeing, they run off and they don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on. They're like, oh, I'm sick, I
Speaker 1: better lay down, yeah, and then hopefully they die quick.
Speaker 1: But yeah, So I got to the spot where I was,
Speaker 1: I couldn't get myself to pull the trigger. I was
Speaker 1: too worried. I was too worried about missing the deer.
Speaker 1: I was too worried about hitting the deer in a
Speaker 1: bad spot. And then me being like, really, like what
Speaker 1: the hell am I doing out here? Like I shouldn't
Speaker 1: be out here, And it took me. I was up
Speaker 1: there for what twenty minutes. I was on those deer
Speaker 1: within like two minutes of leaving you guys for five minutes,
Speaker 1: and I was trying to get myself to pull the
Speaker 1: damn trigger. And finally I was just like, I can
Speaker 1: do this. I've done this before numerous times, and just
Speaker 1: calm down a little bit and kill it still. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I shot it. In a long story short, I
Speaker 1: get down there and I heard the whack. But after
Speaker 1: you've gone through a number of these experiences, this is
Speaker 1: where it goes back to the two most important things
Speaker 1: for me anyways, when I go on a hunt, is
Speaker 1: being comfortable or being confident in my equipment and being
Speaker 1: confident in myself r. Yeah, and like you said, I've
Speaker 1: lost that. Yeah, you'll lose it because you just start
Speaker 1: questioning everything. Yeah, because and that's like these this stuff
Speaker 1: is so intense that and it should be in tense.
Speaker 1: And I think if you were here, just like if
Speaker 1: you were here just shooting from meat only right, um,
Speaker 1: it probably wouldn't be as intense if and if you're
Speaker 1: here just trophy hunting, it probably wouldn't be as intense
Speaker 1: because objectively, those things make you look at the animal differently.
Speaker 1: But when you're here for this experience and you and
Speaker 1: the experience is important and you and you want that
Speaker 1: experience to be full in a way that ends with
Speaker 1: the you know, the proper result, the result that should
Speaker 1: that it should end. And like you're the you're the
Speaker 1: one who makes it happen one way or the other.
Speaker 1: It's either a good experience or about or a good
Speaker 1: result or a bad experience separate from that. And so
Speaker 1: those connections, man, when you're truly just in it for
Speaker 1: the the experience, the results, when they're bad, man, they
Speaker 1: just get in your head and continue to eat at
Speaker 1: you and for me too, I like, I'm sure you're saying, well,
Speaker 1: even you wound something, you're sick about it for months.
Speaker 1: I was sick about that Elk for months, still am,
Speaker 1: And yeah he's dead. I hate him. He's hanging on
Speaker 1: my wall. Um. But this is that like in thebility,
Speaker 1: you know when when Michael Jordan's misses a jump shot,
Speaker 1: no big deal. Yeah, no one or nothing is directly
Speaker 1: affect Maybe some guys gambling on the camp, but whatever affective.
Speaker 1: And that's why we've chosen I don't know, maybe why
Speaker 1: we've chosen this thing because it is It is such
Speaker 1: an it is such a visceral thing to have to do,
Speaker 1: and sometimes I'm thinking like, hey, maybe that maybe I
Speaker 1: chose it, and I'm so I feel like such a
Speaker 1: better person for having done it because it is this way.
Speaker 1: If it wasn't this way, I'd have to quit doing it.
Speaker 1: Like if the missing and the failure wasn't such a
Speaker 1: gut wrencher Man, I walk away right now because that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I know guys, and I've talked to people
Speaker 1: and I hear stories. You know, they'll go out and
Speaker 1: for whatever reason wound four or five different you know,
Speaker 1: critters in his season, and man, we'll get them next year.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like, obviously we're on the same page, Riot,
Speaker 1: but we have we have a very uh we hold
Speaker 1: the responsibility of taking an animal really high, right, Like
Speaker 1: it's still very important for the purposes of it. But
Speaker 1: like you say, like killing animal e and meat is
Speaker 1: I think the benefit of being able to go out
Speaker 1: and hunt. But you have to enjoy all of it,
Speaker 1: enjoy the experience. Yet, I mean, you can't honestly say,
Speaker 1: and I've said this before, it as I hunt to eat.
Speaker 1: That's true. I eat everything I hunt, and I love
Speaker 1: the fact that I don't have to go to the
Speaker 1: grocery store by red meat to feed in the family.
Speaker 1: We have it. But if you don't enjoy the whole
Speaker 1: process of the hunt or of hunting, then you're missing out.
Speaker 1: And when I say the whole process, I mean everything
Speaker 1: this stuff that we're talking out is part of the process.
Speaker 1: It's getting ready for a hunt. It's it could be
Speaker 1: getting a bow ready, it could be scouting, it could
Speaker 1: be getting time off work, it could be convincing your
Speaker 1: wife that you can go on attendee hunt. Whatever it is,
Speaker 1: it's the whole experience. And then then you have the
Speaker 1: hunt itself and you go through these you have these
Speaker 1: experiences that we're talking about and they're the lows, but
Speaker 1: don't like doesn't also get you, Like we're getting real
Speaker 1: deep down the rabbit hole now, but it doesn't get you.
Speaker 1: It gives your perspective possible or an arm or an
Speaker 1: armed deal, give fucking leprosy from this I'm talking about that.
Speaker 1: I think it gives you perspective in your daily life.
Speaker 1: Like people I know that are that really are into
Speaker 1: hunting and into it for what I believe or like
Speaker 1: the most the right reasons, of the enriching reasons are
Speaker 1: people that have this, you know, incredibly pragmatic approach to life.
Speaker 1: Like you kind of see you can see a little bit.
Speaker 1: You can see the thin veneer of bullshit a lot
Speaker 1: of times because you have been in the situations where
Speaker 1: you work so hard for something and it's not a
Speaker 1: drive to the green that if you shank it in
Speaker 1: the weeds, nobody cares. It's not a race that you
Speaker 1: want are lost. It's not. It's just not. And and
Speaker 1: whether you know, people can make comparisons to other activities
Speaker 1: that are leisure activities, which this at some level is
Speaker 1: it is um because we're not hungry. We're going hunting
Speaker 1: people that can have a sandwich, but we're not starving,
Speaker 1: and like that's just the end result is serious, really
Speaker 1: serious in a lot of ways. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: and I think it's just when somebody's training very hard
Speaker 1: for the Olympics, it has a big impact on their
Speaker 1: life and and an ancillery impact on the lives of others,
Speaker 1: but they're not they're not killing something. Well, yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess a good way to think about it. And when
Speaker 1: you just said what you said, it made me think
Speaker 1: about like you never you work a lot. You work
Speaker 1: hard at a lot of things in your life, like
Speaker 1: a career, it could be your marriage, it could be
Speaker 1: being a good dad, like you work hard at different things,
Speaker 1: or being good at you know, a sport, but none
Speaker 1: of Like we work really hard and prepare and try
Speaker 1: to prepare as best as we can so that we
Speaker 1: can take an animal's life. That's when we are what
Speaker 1: you know, success that we can talk about what levels
Speaker 1: of success a hunt can be if you don't kill
Speaker 1: some whatever. But like to to get to the point
Speaker 1: that we're trying to get and when we finally get
Speaker 1: to that point. That's an animal time. That is the
Speaker 1: point we're trying to ye like like wait, hold on,
Speaker 1: you just spent how much money and how much time
Speaker 1: shot all those arrows went to all these shoots all
Speaker 1: over the country, bought all this expensive equipment like something
Speaker 1: that to get to a point where you take something's life.
Speaker 1: I understand sometimes, like why people look at this sport
Speaker 1: if we if we don't do a good job of
Speaker 1: promoting and say, man, that's pretty messed up. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: get that too, Yeah, and I think I think it's
Speaker 1: mess They things messed up because of the reasons that
Speaker 1: you do it. That's why you're always talking about reasoning
Speaker 1: and we're talking about value systems. And I think that's
Speaker 1: why we're always talking about that stuff because god sakes,
Speaker 1: we're killing stuff like today that dough you shot, like
Speaker 1: she we watched the life fucking be gone from her eyes.
Speaker 1: We watched three lives. I mean watched them, not just
Speaker 1: like came up on them. Yeah, we watched the whole
Speaker 1: watch like looking in their eyes to see when their
Speaker 1: eyes are dull instead of life, life, full of life,
Speaker 1: or like lifeless. Man, that's heavy. And if you're listen,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're messed up, but I'm saying if
Speaker 1: you're celebrating at that moment, like if you mean even
Speaker 1: cow stood over his buck and just kind of like
Speaker 1: looking at each other, like we weren't talking about the shot,
Speaker 1: which was amazing, or the fact that, yeah, Ryan Callahan
Speaker 1: shot him giant access buck with a long stick, which
Speaker 1: is amazing. And we were there, yeah, and we were
Speaker 1: that's what we were there to do, and we were
Speaker 1: like that was what was laying on the ground dying
Speaker 1: was success and um like we didn't we weren't unpack
Speaker 1: and all that. We were just looking at this deer like,
Speaker 1: holy ship, this thing is dying at our feet. And
Speaker 1: that's not something to jump around about. It's not something
Speaker 1: too pumped your fist about. Something to just take in
Speaker 1: and at some levels learned from. But it's definitely not
Speaker 1: something that it's success. And like maybe the worst way,
Speaker 1: it's like we're reluctantly we just did this, but and
Speaker 1: we want to do it and we're happy we did it,
Speaker 1: but this thing is dead now or it's dying, it's
Speaker 1: fucking sufferings. You know that's not good. We whitewashed that
Speaker 1: out of our minds when we go hunting, probably for
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons, because it's a heavy thing that
Speaker 1: even talk about for me right now, um, and so
Speaker 1: maybe we just ignore it for that reason. Yeah, I think,
Speaker 1: I mean fortunately, like the way it usually goes down
Speaker 1: is you're shoot an animal from a hundred two hundred
Speaker 1: yards away with a rifle, or you shoot elk with
Speaker 1: your bow at forty yards and they run off and
Speaker 1: die in the trees exactly exactly, and you don't I
Speaker 1: feel like we we talked about all the time that
Speaker 1: that that sucks sometimes, like I don't like to see
Speaker 1: that happened, Like I like to see the animal death.
Speaker 1: I don't want sometimes don't want to be there when
Speaker 1: it has has to happen. Right. Well, and think about
Speaker 1: I've taken new hunters. I think the one thing that's
Speaker 1: consistent with new hunters, I've taken a few here recently
Speaker 1: took one young lady who we shot a havelina and
Speaker 1: it was kicking around and all she could say to
Speaker 1: me was like, make stop, make stop, make stopping stop.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's you know, it's die, it's just nerves.
Speaker 1: It's dead. But that's that's it. That's death. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: if every time you ate a hamburg you had to
Speaker 1: watch the fucking life go out of the eyes of
Speaker 1: the cow boy, hamburgers would taste different. Well you know
Speaker 1: that's I guess that's why I feel, uh such a
Speaker 1: responsibility with what we do is um we put When
Speaker 1: I say we put everything out there, how it's how
Speaker 1: it happens. I mean I take that pretty serious because
Speaker 1: I think that's important. Like I think it's important not
Speaker 1: only for our audience, but I think it's important for
Speaker 1: like my wife, my kids. Like my wife didn't understand hunting,
Speaker 1: like she grew up in a hunting family, her dad hunted,
Speaker 1: her grandparents hunted. You know, we've been married for fourteen years,
Speaker 1: but she didn't understand like the seriousness that I take hunting,
Speaker 1: I guess until we started making these once. So I
Speaker 1: created the Hush Channel and started making these videos and
Speaker 1: then I would make her watch everything before I like
Speaker 1: upload and be like what seems cheesy? She should be
Speaker 1: like in tears, be like I didn't know this was
Speaker 1: what this was about. I didn't know how like emotional
Speaker 1: and like like not spiritual, but like she's like, man,
Speaker 1: I feel this, like I'll never do this, but I
Speaker 1: get I thought you said she she grew up in
Speaker 1: a hunting family and she didn't know it. Imagine when
Speaker 1: people growing up in non hunting families, they only hear
Speaker 1: bad things about it. Yeah, yeah, No, my brother is
Speaker 1: not a hunter. I don't think it's like an anti
Speaker 1: hundred's not to hunter. And he has problems with a
Speaker 1: lot of things that go on the hunting community. Like
Speaker 1: he's got on me shooting foxes before because I doesn't
Speaker 1: understand we're not eating those things. I don't understand it.
Speaker 1: And he went to Africa with me probably five years ago,
Speaker 1: and my dad was there. My dad and I grew
Speaker 1: up hunting together. My brother never went with us. And
Speaker 1: um my dad shoots his CUTO. I'm on the other
Speaker 1: side of this flat and I run over. My brothers
Speaker 1: with me. I run over. The cute is still alive.
Speaker 1: My dad's like trying to get down the hill and
Speaker 1: load his gun, and I just look at him, and
Speaker 1: he just, you know, gives me a kind of like
Speaker 1: the shoot this thing. So I just walk up and
Speaker 1: put my rifle on his neck and shoot. I didn't
Speaker 1: be like, hey man, I'm gonna put it out. It's misery.
Speaker 1: It's just like very mechanical just and reacting another round,
Speaker 1: you know, fist pump, my dad talking to the guide.
Speaker 1: Everybody's happy. There's qudo on the ground, and my brothers
Speaker 1: are crying on them, you know, like not crying, but
Speaker 1: it's like tearing up on the hillside. And like, I
Speaker 1: just think he was expecting more reverence than for me
Speaker 1: to just like charge up to it and just put
Speaker 1: a hole in and kill it. I think maybe he
Speaker 1: was expecting something different, but even at that time, I
Speaker 1: wasn't raised to have like some different reaction than just
Speaker 1: to mechanically, robotically just see you. Um. And so I
Speaker 1: don't I think those things are good. I think I
Speaker 1: oftentimes like shooting an animal and I always thank you,
Speaker 1: But I ofttimes I think I'm just doing that because
Speaker 1: I think I need to do it. I'm not really
Speaker 1: doing I'm just saying thank you because I like people
Speaker 1: are there and I want him to think that's what
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, But I also think that I mean,
Speaker 1: I agree, I think a lot of times some things
Speaker 1: are done be uh because of a camera that's on you,
Speaker 1: or you know, if you never said a word to
Speaker 1: that animal and you're with this group MEU and cow like,
Speaker 1: I know that you appreciate that animal obviously, but we
Speaker 1: fall into that trap up with me and that's the
Speaker 1: right thing to do, you know. Yeah. And it's just
Speaker 1: like a lot of things we do that are just
Speaker 1: going through the options. Yeah, I was happy we experienced
Speaker 1: that today. Man, I'm happy I can look back on
Speaker 1: this hunt and say I'm happy about everything I've experienced,
Speaker 1: like the ups of the downs. Like, man, just learning
Speaker 1: about the access here has been there's been the highlight
Speaker 1: of the trip. Not the highlight of the trip, but
Speaker 1: it's been worth the trip, just being like everyone always
Speaker 1: wants to know, like how how how can I be
Speaker 1: a better elk hunter? How can I be a better
Speaker 1: deer hunter? Go spend time with the animals, Go be
Speaker 1: with them. That's why this is Like you want some
Speaker 1: spot and stock training, Oh my goodness, you want to
Speaker 1: you want some mid season Like if you're an elk
Speaker 1: hunter and you you get one chance a year to
Speaker 1: go hunt, and you get one or two shots, and
Speaker 1: you're just wondering, like how could I train for this?
Speaker 1: Look up Canyon Ranch, Canyon Ranch. Agree. I used to
Speaker 1: tell people that all the time about about Kyot hunting,
Speaker 1: Like why do you like, what's the purpose of kia hunting.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, I feel like we need to, you know,
Speaker 1: manage the predator population obviously in certain areas, and um
Speaker 1: to like, if you want to become efficient with a weapon,
Speaker 1: especially a rifle, go use it a lot in real
Speaker 1: life situations, like trying to get on a running coyote
Speaker 1: if you're calling him in, or trying to stock and
Speaker 1: access buck with your bow, or even learning how to
Speaker 1: shoot out. I don't sit many blinds. I've tried. I've
Speaker 1: never been successful. And when I say try, I mean
Speaker 1: for elk or for deer. Man. I learned how to
Speaker 1: sit a blind and what to do and how to
Speaker 1: build a when to draw and yeah, when to draw
Speaker 1: not to draw, Like if you want to get it
Speaker 1: better or something, do it a lot. Yeah, no, for sure,
Speaker 1: And and this these these are opportunities to do that.
Speaker 1: And then you know, in the same way, you're just
Speaker 1: out there thinking, you know, this isn't training, but this is.
Speaker 1: It's there's so many deer, and they're so they were
Speaker 1: so predictable. When this heat and we were coming down,
Speaker 1: they were like, man, this hundred grees is gonna be tough,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, this is good because we can
Speaker 1: get in between the thing they need and and where
Speaker 1: they're headed and just get right in between them and there.
Speaker 1: And I'll keep coming to it because they have to
Speaker 1: and that's what we will, well what we encounter, and
Speaker 1: you just don't. That's just not often the case. And uh,
Speaker 1: you could go on with a lot of meat. You
Speaker 1: come to a cool place like this and give a
Speaker 1: bunch of chicker bytes. Yeah, I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: I could if I wanted you. I gotta stop issuing
Speaker 1: those things. Man, Oh my god, yourself. I can't not.
Speaker 1: We're gonna put oven miss on the driveall. I can'tnot
Speaker 1: not In some that makes sense. Now, it's been Yeah,
Speaker 1: this has been I mean every hunt I look back
Speaker 1: on and I'm just grateful U for the opportunity to
Speaker 1: be able to go out and do it one but
Speaker 1: for to the experiences I've learned. And we didn't really
Speaker 1: dive into it. We kind of got a little deep.
Speaker 1: But man, I tell people all the time, like some
Speaker 1: of the most important lessons I've learned in life has
Speaker 1: been out in the I've been out in the woods,
Speaker 1: been doing something that you know, you go through something
Speaker 1: hunting and you miss an animal, and you know, you
Speaker 1: start thinking about things and you're like, oh, well that
Speaker 1: really applies to me being a dad or me being
Speaker 1: a better husband. Like I get I get this because
Speaker 1: of I had this experience out in the woods. Like
Speaker 1: might sound cheesy, but it's true. It's a hundred percent true.
Speaker 1: And I tell my wife this all the time, and
Speaker 1: she gets it now after we're watching some re visions,
Speaker 1: Like I get it, Like it's not just about being
Speaker 1: out there and shooting an animal and bringing meat home
Speaker 1: so we can have steaks and you know, on the
Speaker 1: on the grill, it's a it's a spiritual I don't
Speaker 1: I'd like to use that word because whatever spirit you
Speaker 1: know you want to believe in or whatever, Like people
Speaker 1: feel different spirituality levels, but it's a very emotional spiritual
Speaker 1: like powerful thing taking a life. Yeah. And I think we,
Speaker 1: you know, we spent a lot of time this week
Speaker 1: drinking beers around the table talking about like our frustrations
Speaker 1: with things um and what we see in others and
Speaker 1: hunting that we don't necessarily enjoy. And I think we
Speaker 1: do that because you get to that level where you
Speaker 1: are so invested in you have his experiences, and you
Speaker 1: see people that you'd like to say, like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: if you just didn't worry about that buck being thirty
Speaker 1: five inches and over, you know, what are you here
Speaker 1: to do. I'm here to get a thirty five inch
Speaker 1: over access buck. Like, well, bro, you want to miss
Speaker 1: a lot, you might get that thirty six inchure. You
Speaker 1: might put it on your all. People might say, well,
Speaker 1: tell me a story about that, and it'll be a
Speaker 1: pretty short one. Well, the same things like I'm just
Speaker 1: here to shoot a couple of met animals. Man, there's
Speaker 1: more more. There's more than that. And so I think
Speaker 1: that our frustration has probably just come from this is like, man,
Speaker 1: we got something really awesome here. You're doing the same
Speaker 1: thing we're doing. Well, we're doing different things. That makes
Speaker 1: any sense at all, Like if we're out there hunting,
Speaker 1: we're both hunting, but we're not both doing same thing. Well,
Speaker 1: I would say that like this, like if you're chasing
Speaker 1: a number, uh, you will never feel satisfied. I don't
Speaker 1: think because numbers there's always a bigger number, right. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: It's like when I tell people about like I didn't
Speaker 1: make any decision to do YouTube full time instead of
Speaker 1: work at the steel mill anymore. And they're like, well,
Speaker 1: how can I do that? It's like, why do you
Speaker 1: want to do that? Why do you want to create
Speaker 1: content and whatever content that might be, Well, I want
Speaker 1: to make make money. It's like, if you're chasing money, man,
Speaker 1: you'll never satisfy because you can always make more money.
Speaker 1: Make a million dollars, I want to make two million dollars.
Speaker 1: But if you do it in a purpose because you're
Speaker 1: passionate about it, Like that's where I think all the
Speaker 1: money in the world, Like it doesn't matter if you
Speaker 1: have all the money in the world or good good
Speaker 1: phrase I've I just heard recently is if money wasn't
Speaker 1: an object, money didn't matter, you didn't need money to strive,
Speaker 1: would you be doing what you're doing right now currently?
Speaker 1: If you can say yes, then I think honest with yourself,
Speaker 1: like and you can say yeah, I'm successful. Same thing
Speaker 1: with honey, Like if you're just chasing to shoot a
Speaker 1: you know, I think about elk and deer. That's because
Speaker 1: that's where I what I have, where I grew up.
Speaker 1: But you want to shoot a two commune or a
Speaker 1: fo bowl, because then you'll be satisfied. You shoot one
Speaker 1: and I guess what, there's a four ten out there
Speaker 1: somebody just shot. I know some people very well, and
Speaker 1: if I said their name, is a lot of people
Speaker 1: everybody with who I'm talking about, Yeah, that are like
Speaker 1: I have to everywhere I go, I have to shoot
Speaker 1: a boon and crack of the animal, like in the
Speaker 1: in their things to travel around the world and having
Speaker 1: to like that's the goal is to get twenty seven
Speaker 1: number how many ever of them there are. These are
Speaker 1: not bad people, and they're very good hunters and conscience
Speaker 1: of hunters. They're not bad people, but this thing is
Speaker 1: shifted for them does something different. But if you're not
Speaker 1: enjoying the process of it, and you're not passionate about
Speaker 1: the process, and that's I think that's an important thing.
Speaker 1: If you're not passionate about everything it takes to be
Speaker 1: a hunter, then you're missing it. You're missing a big
Speaker 1: portion of it anyways. And the same thing with eating meat,
Speaker 1: like you said, man, like, if you're just going out
Speaker 1: for to kill an animal to eat it, like you're
Speaker 1: missing a big part of it. You are. You are
Speaker 1: And that's why always said, like those things are byproducts
Speaker 1: of hunting, meat and antlers and conservation or all things
Speaker 1: we talked about. But they're all just like these things
Speaker 1: that happen as a result of hunting, like they just
Speaker 1: happened as a result of hunting. Hunting is the process
Speaker 1: that leads to those results, but it isn't those results
Speaker 1: in and of itself, Like those things are separate. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we come here, we learn about ticks, We
Speaker 1: learn about these things we want to learn about rather
Speaker 1: not know about that damn it list about armadillos. We
Speaker 1: should say again, armadillo's give you leprosy. Leprosy people, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna gets don't know what leprosy idiots read the Bible,
Speaker 1: stop playing with larmadillos. You see you on the side
Speaker 1: of the road, swerve and hit it and chiggers. Man,
Speaker 1: I am, I will go home. I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: pretty confident I'm gonna go back to Idaho and be
Speaker 1: one of maybe a few that know about the lone
Speaker 1: star tick and know about what chigger bites feel like,
Speaker 1: and know about leprosy. Next spring turkey season, Idaho, You'll
Speaker 1: be like, there no jiggers here. I'm gonna Yeah, this
Speaker 1: place is awesome. Pants will be optional next year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're just gonna you'll still have the scars from your
Speaker 1: current chiggers, you know. I'm like, they're terrible. Well, we
Speaker 1: were getting all deep and have this conversations. Case He's
Speaker 1: over here just scratching his legs and I'm glad you
Speaker 1: don't videotape this. I don't just this, this doesn't belong. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't guess you can't because I haven't been wearing
Speaker 1: pants this whole time. I'm wearing two pairs of pants.
Speaker 1: Then put my pants on because he thought, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna be wearing these things. Casey, I was gonna
Speaker 1: ask you to close it out. I was thinking about,
Speaker 1: like asking about what's the one thing you would tell
Speaker 1: people that want to do what you do, which is
Speaker 1: of course get hushing the YouTube channel content channel um
Speaker 1: that follows you guys around in your lives and outdoors.
Speaker 1: But is there one thing? I mean, I think you
Speaker 1: maybe already said it, but is there something that because
Speaker 1: you made the jump from a nine job that wasn't
Speaker 1: your passion, to chase your passion. And a lot of
Speaker 1: people do this and fails, some succeed, But I think
Speaker 1: they're the outliers, are the one a succeed because it's tough.
Speaker 1: Is there something that you would just say if you know,
Speaker 1: if you do this, you'll win, If you do this,
Speaker 1: you'll you'll be happy. Yeah. I mean there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things I could do, a lot of things I
Speaker 1: would like to say. But if there was one thing
Speaker 1: that I could tell you that would help you become successful,
Speaker 1: is do it for This is gonna be a cliche.
Speaker 1: Anything I can say it and it's gonna be cliche,
Speaker 1: but like, do it for the right reason. And you
Speaker 1: have to figure out what the right reason is because
Speaker 1: once again, if you're doing it to make money or
Speaker 1: if you're doing it to become I hate this word famous,
Speaker 1: then you will you can never reach that because that's
Speaker 1: only an opinion like oh yeah I'm rich, Like what's
Speaker 1: rich anymore? And you'll always be chasing money. But do
Speaker 1: it because you're passionate about what you're creating. And if
Speaker 1: you do it that, If you do that, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter how many people watch, it doesn't how many use
Speaker 1: you get, it doesn't matter how many brand brands want
Speaker 1: to work with you. If you're doing it because you
Speaker 1: love the content, you're creating and you're passionate about it.
Speaker 1: You win, you're successful, and you will create better content
Speaker 1: because you're passionate. And often a whole lot of money
Speaker 1: ruins that passion. I say that a lot. Can you
Speaker 1: edit out? Like we're going to add him in? I
Speaker 1: said it probably twenty eight times, at least cut for
Speaker 1: fourteen of them out. I'm gonna be like, hey, Case,
Speaker 1: you're gonna just dub it in chat? Do you like
Speaker 1: those chicker ritescent? There's probably things that I say a
Speaker 1: lot when you do this. I listened to Jurgen's podcast
Speaker 1: but every day, and there's things he says that you
Speaker 1: just said you want to say, Man, hey, but yeah,
Speaker 1: when you talk for a little bits that what is
Speaker 1: brains not big enough? Told them too many. When I'm
Speaker 1: on a camera, it's different. I don't know why. Maybe
Speaker 1: I can see my mouth movie because I'm usually watching
Speaker 1: what I'm what I'm filming. But when I'm on these
Speaker 1: podcasts and you guys don't film them like I've been
Speaker 1: on a couple an go back and listen to him,
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, people, I feel like ming podcast is fine,
Speaker 1: but it just makes you a little bit more aware.
Speaker 1: Like you're aware of your movements. Like we're literally just
Speaker 1: sitting in like a kind of dumpy little room. Hey,
Speaker 1: this was my room for the last three days. It's nice.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just random. It's like a like a
Speaker 1: nine eighties. It's kind of like maybe if like before
Speaker 1: Scarface got rich. You know, there's like some very ornate
Speaker 1: photos of wildlife. I just noticed there's a picture of
Speaker 1: a very poorly drawn cheetah behind you, and behind that's
Speaker 1: a picture of very portant lion and then a zebra.
Speaker 1: They have gold uh, and there's like a candle labra.
Speaker 1: There's a candle labara on the wall that looks like
Speaker 1: it might have come off like the set of like
Speaker 1: The First Night. You remember that movie where it was
Speaker 1: like because Richard Gere was a Sir Lancelot. So this
Speaker 1: there a little candle labara that came from that set.
Speaker 1: And then there's a dirty empty a fireplace. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just you know what's funny, it's I haven't noticed a
Speaker 1: lot of these things about this room, and now I'm
Speaker 1: looking around, I'm like this, you clearly have some sort
Speaker 1: of tick fever that Yeah, I've been preoccupied with my
Speaker 1: sugar bites on my legs, I guess anyway, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's all. That's all I have to say. Thanks man,
Speaker 1: this is a fun week. Oh man, I I I.
Speaker 1: All I can say is thank you, thanks for inviting
Speaker 1: me to come down here. Yeah, I've had an absolute flash.
Speaker 1: You're you're gonna like you know, we try to get
Speaker 1: out and hunt with with all of our sponsors at
Speaker 1: least once a year, and uh, this is our second hunt,
Speaker 1: and I hope we continue to do more because do
Speaker 1: you I hunt. I've hunting with a lot of people
Speaker 1: in my life and uh, you know there's some people
Speaker 1: that you choose to hunt with. You're not one of them.
Speaker 1: So I just want to You're a piece of ship. No.
Speaker 1: It's the funny thing is and I made a post
Speaker 1: about this a while back, like, I feel like the
Speaker 1: best way for me to get to know somebody is
Speaker 1: to take him out to do something you love, right,
Speaker 1: that's honey, and we both love that for me. We
Speaker 1: met know Brian and Ben O'Brien works for Eddie and
Speaker 1: so you know, he was our contact with Yeddie and Unities,
Speaker 1: one of our sponsors, and and we've been working together
Speaker 1: for a couple of years and it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: let's go, Let's take Ben O'Brien out from Eddie on
Speaker 1: this deer hunt we do every year. And in my head,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Ben's cool, but man, I think he's pretty
Speaker 1: like serious, Like I don't know how a hell of
Speaker 1: fit in because that's the one thing I think, who notices,
Speaker 1: you know when if we're out creating content, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be laughing most of the time, and I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: trying to make other people laugh. So I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know Ben, Like what if Ben comes on
Speaker 1: this hunts like, those guys are just they're having way
Speaker 1: too much. It's bad for the industry. You guys are
Speaker 1: having fun you're not supposed to. Anyways, we go out
Speaker 1: and uh, we quickly learned that Ben is us to
Speaker 1: a t. Ben likes to laugh and have fun, take
Speaker 1: it serious, but not too serious. And so anyway, I
Speaker 1: appreciate you invite me down. I hope I hope we
Speaker 1: can do some more hunts um in the near future.
Speaker 1: In the near future. By later that's it. It's over,
Speaker 1: episode number fourteen. In the books, I want to really
Speaker 1: thank Casey for joined me, not only on the hunt,
Speaker 1: in Texas, but on the podcast as well. There was
Speaker 1: a goal of mine have him and his crew on
Speaker 1: when we first started doing this, and I'm glad we
Speaker 1: were able to do it for episode number fourteen. My
Speaker 1: big takeaway from this one is just here's a man
Speaker 1: who followed his dream. Here's a man who was working
Speaker 1: at nine to five and saw an avenue to live
Speaker 1: a different lifestyle and a different wife for his family
Speaker 1: and took it and and he caught his dream. And
Speaker 1: I think he's living it right now. And super proud
Speaker 1: to know him. I'm proud to call him a friend,
Speaker 1: Casey Butler. Hopefully you guys, if you're not already, will
Speaker 1: follow those guys at get Hushing, follow their adventures to
Speaker 1: find him on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram and all that fun stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: we're as most of you know who are regular listeners. Um,
Speaker 1: I heard from a lot of you. We took a
Speaker 1: little bit of a break. It wasn't that long of
Speaker 1: a break, a couple of weeks after our Leni trip
Speaker 1: um in suffice to say, there's a lot of big
Speaker 1: things coming for the Honey Collective after Episodember fourteen. I'm
Speaker 1: planning on expanding, planning on bringing new types of content,
Speaker 1: and I think we have a pretty exciting way to
Speaker 1: do that in the future, and so we make it
Speaker 1: some announcements in the next few weeks and months that
Speaker 1: starts to detail what we want to do and we
Speaker 1: have the engines. After what I really would consider fantastically
Speaker 1: successful first thirteen episodes, a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: folks listened. I was able to get my feet under me.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I made a lot of mistakes, did a
Speaker 1: lot of things wrong, but um, I'm glad some of
Speaker 1: this is resonated with folks, and and I really am
Speaker 1: thankful for each and every one of you that writes
Speaker 1: in it says good things or you know, with with
Speaker 1: criticisms as well. I think all those things are healthy
Speaker 1: and I appreciate every word. That's really Until the Next Time,
Speaker 1: Episode number fifteen will be joined by Ryan Callahan, first
Speaker 1: light second appearance on the podcast. He was also on
Speaker 1: Our Hunt, and we did a separate uh interview with
Speaker 1: him just to kind of get his feelings thoughts both
Speaker 1: on them Our Time and Sonora, but just how he
Speaker 1: does things and then those of you, though Mr Callahan
Speaker 1: knows those things are unique. So until then, the Hunting
Speaker 1: Collective dot com. We'll have all the notes from this episode, articles, videos,
Speaker 1: and all kinds of other stuff. But each of our
Speaker 1: past episodes, including Steve and Ronnella, including all Marcus, including
Speaker 1: our l and I recap with Sam Sohole. You have
Speaker 1: guys like man, there's so many of them, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's hard to say Shane Mahoney. Let's put Shane Mahoney
Speaker 1: out there. I stumble over my words on that one,
Speaker 1: but we'll keep it in there because there's just so
Speaker 1: many so much to think about, so much conversation, so
Speaker 1: many words. I'm glad they were all recorded. So I
Speaker 1: quit Babylin for this terribly long exit, but we are gone.
Speaker 1: Episode of fourteen of the Books. See you next time,