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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Hunting Collective. I've been O'Brien

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Speaker 1: and after a long break, we're back episode number fourteen,

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Speaker 1: and we're joined by none other than Casey Butler. Casey

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Speaker 1: is the founder of get Hushing. It's a YouTube channel

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Speaker 1: content house that he and his buddies Brian and Eric

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Speaker 1: run out of Utah and Idaho, respectively. They travel around

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Speaker 1: the world, or at least around the country, and they

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Speaker 1: hunt and they fish. They document it and semi live

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Speaker 1: and sometimes in real time. And what makes these guys different,

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Speaker 1: what makes Casey's content different is that it's unapologetic. It's

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Speaker 1: not edited. It is what it is. It shows hits

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Speaker 1: mrs good times, bad times, and it is really the

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Speaker 1: entire story of Casey, Rick and Brian, and they're hunting

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Speaker 1: and fishing careers and lives. I've known these guys for

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Speaker 1: and they're just doing something different in the hunting game,

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Speaker 1: and I really appreciate that. On the top of that,

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Speaker 1: Casey is just a good guy. I think when we

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Speaker 1: hang out in hunting camps, we never stopped laughing, never

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Speaker 1: joined me this last week in Sonora, Texas for an

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Speaker 1: access to your hunt that was unreal and a lot

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Speaker 1: Texas in June. So hopefully you enjoy our conversation. I

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Speaker 1: Casey was willing to open up on some things and

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Speaker 1: we were able to talk through some of the issues

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Speaker 1: that sounds, I think it was a great conversation, So

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Speaker 1: hopefully you enjoy it. Episode number fourteen, Casey Butler, Hey buddy,

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Speaker 1: Hey buddy, how you doing pretty get their pal um?

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Speaker 1: How do you like Texas? How do I like Texas?

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Speaker 1: I love the state of Texas, I love the I

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Speaker 1: love I love Texas. I have some qualms about about Texas,

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Speaker 1: but as a whole, I've absolutely enjoyed myself every time

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Speaker 1: I've been down here. Mm hmmm, I feel like you're

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Speaker 1: not telling the truth. Like I said, I have some qualms.

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Speaker 1: Let's go over all the nice things that you've done

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Speaker 1: in Texas are not That's not as interesting as the

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Speaker 1: hardships you faced here. We're in Sonora, Texas. By the way. Senora,

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Speaker 1: Texas is west pretty much straight west of Austin, Texas,

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Speaker 1: about three hours. I want to drive that. We're here

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Speaker 1: on the ranch called the Canyon Ranch. The Canyon Ranch

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Speaker 1: is acres. Part of it is high fence. The part

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Speaker 1: we hunted is about ten thousand acres of fair chase,

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Speaker 1: free range, low fence, exotics, white tails, turkeys, everything you

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Speaker 1: It's been pretty regularly a hundred five degrees since we've

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Speaker 1: very gnarly. You just want me to dive into this.

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Speaker 1: I just want you to, like this, explain that what's

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Speaker 1: best way I can put it, I've I just can't

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Speaker 1: your face. It's it's not refreshing. It's like Ryan Callahan

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Speaker 1: But it carries a virus of some sorts. I have

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Speaker 1: p O box. Address it to Mr dearest, Mr O'Brien. Yes, please,

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Speaker 1: I'd like you to write with an ink quill sorry,

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Speaker 1: to it creates an allergy two red meat? Is that?

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Speaker 1: Does that not sound like the worst possible thing that

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Speaker 1: all irony, like if you're you're hunting for red meat

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Speaker 1: not one in a billions lying. I don't know. It

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Speaker 1: scares me because let's go back to thinking about this.

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Speaker 1: Somebody do alive. Since this isn't live, you have to

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Speaker 1: call me later, but later text out yeah, or you

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Speaker 1: and then millions of people, millions of people listening to this, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: USA today is a story. Lone star tick bites can

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Speaker 1: that's not telling me that like one in a million

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Speaker 1: ditch and I'd catch them, we'd play with them. Like

425
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: Grandma would freak out, my mom would freak out, I

426
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: didn't mind him. And I think I just got this,

427
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: like you know, in the last ten or fifteen years

428
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: that and maybe it's just I think more about being

429
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: and like I said, it's being bit by rousseas. Trip

430
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: list is irrational fear. It's not irrational to be afraid

431
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: of something that can then it can bite you and

432
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 1: then jet poison into you that could cause loss of

433
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: limb or life. It's not irrational fear. If you were,

434
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, being scared of heights, if you're inside of

435
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: a building, or um in a plane or something like that.

436
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: That might be it's irrational um, but there's no irrational fear,

437
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, crawling hidden serpent that could pop out of

438
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: the bushes and take your leg off. Yeah, in a

439
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 1: very painful way. Well, you know, and everyone has their like.

440
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of wives tales out there

441
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 1: about different things about snakes and ticks like, you know,

442
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people are like snake like.

443
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: I know, my buddy up Bit, I've had a lot

444
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: of bird dogs a bit, you know. I talked to

445
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,959
Speaker 1: again in New Mexico two years ago when we're down

446
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: there elk hunting, and I don't know what type of

447
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: a snake they are. It's a routs snake. They call

448
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 1: them prairie rattlers, I think, or rock rattlers. And everyone

449
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: I've seen down there, it's just they're not very picked.

450
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: They're like, I don't know, maybe two ft long. They're thin.

451
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: They call them rock rattlers down there. Anyway. Uh, we

452
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: were down there hunting ilk two years ago and I

453
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: had two pretty clear I would call him close encounters.

454
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: You know. I was walking past the log and one

455
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: buzzed at me and literally like six inches from my

456
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: leg and walked past the snake. M like five six

457
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: days later, I was tracking a bulleage shot been over

458
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: looking for blood right at dusk, the same thing ran

459
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: right into a rouse. Snake buzz me. So we go

460
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: to this little town in New Mexico where we hunt,

461
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: and we'd see him quite a few and uh, there's

462
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: this one store there and I was asking I kind

463
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: of know the owner because I've hunted there a few

464
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: years in this area, and I was like, man, are

465
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: the snakes just really bad this year? What I'm seeing

466
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: a lot? He's like, well, I don't think any more

467
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: than normal. But have you seen him? And I'm like, yeah,

468
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: I've seen like I don't know four or five. Is

469
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: that you kill him? I'm like no. My partner, Eric

470
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: um Chester, he was with me and he's a reptile guy. Right.

471
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: That sounds weird. My partners, my partner in my business,

472
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: my life partner. You have a partner, all you and

473
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: any partners as you want. That we're on the honeyglect

474
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: We except all shapes. Anyway, He's he's a reptile guy.

475
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: He likes to catch me. Caught those rattlesnakes in his hat.

476
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: He's like, why would you kill him? Man, They're not

477
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: doing anything to you. I'm like, man, he could have

478
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: bit me anyway. So this guy was like, you kill

479
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: every rattlesnake you see. If it's not you, it's the

480
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: next guy that comes by her, a kid that comes

481
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: by that it's gonna get bit by that thing. And

482
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: need to continue to tell me the story of his

483
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: brother in law that was bit ten or twelve years

484
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: ago previous and two dude still has trouble getting out

485
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: of bed in the morning because his joints are so

486
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 1: messed up because of the rattlesnake bite. Yeah, like life altering,

487
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: Like within a split second, your life could be altered

488
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: for him. It's it's hard to manage that mentally, it's

489
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: hard to manage this all of the probabilities in your

490
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: life that are happening right now, things that could be

491
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: going on that could and that could put you in

492
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: danger in some way. Like what are the probabilities of this, this, this,

493
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: and this? You're getting the vehicle you you know, we're

494
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: just cutting up meat and there's knives around, their saws around.

495
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: What are the probabilities of all these things happening, but

496
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: some of the things that are are unlikely are just

497
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: fucking scary. Man. And I'm I'm definitely afraid of snakes,

498
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: but I certainly don't like them. I'm not somebody but

499
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: ah snakes, no big deal. I'd rather avoid them if

500
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: I could. But if I see one, I'm not gonna

501
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna run, but I'm certainly not gonna go

502
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: pick it up. I've had I founded with folks before.

503
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: They're like, I'll just go pick them up, you know,

504
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: stas rattle snakes will just go stomp with their heads

505
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: or something like. That's not That's not a door I'd

506
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: like to open up. I'd like to leave that one closed. Yeah. Well,

507
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: is it true that uh anti venom for the rattlesnake

508
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: bite can be upboards of like tens of thousands of dollars?

509
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know that on a ranch often

510
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: hunt in the near Eagle Pass, Texas, that in the

511
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: Eagle Past, oh the er they don't administer because they

512
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: can't afford it, so they have to evacue to San Antonio.

513
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: Helicopter very expensive. So yeah, I don't know. Let's just

514
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: say rattlesnakes are there. It's just they're a good represent

515
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: station of this country. It is sneaky, dangerous, and it's

516
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: it seems sometimes that's out to get you because there's cactus,

517
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: there's fire ants, there's giant bounds, fire ants, sugars. Yeah,

518
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, we haven't the w and they don't.

519
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: They can't really have like a long time like effect

520
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: on you, right, Like can they give you a virus

521
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: you haven't told me about. No, well they could give well, well,

522
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: they can give you a virus that if it bites you,

523
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: your skin falls off. Yeah, just a certain sugar if

524
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: it bites you. You can't upload videos to YouTube. Sh

525
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: is terrible, man, I know, I'm sorry. Things are south

526
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 1: down here in Texas and they can't just not just Texas,

527
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: but this landscape in general. I mean you go to

528
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: Mexico and Arizona, this you know, this ah longitude. Well,

529
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: now that I think about it, all these crazy things,

530
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: and it's crazy to me because I didn't grow up

531
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: around around rattle snakes. Yeah perspective, right, So, like I

532
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: grew up in Idaho and Utah for the most part,

533
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: and yeah, like the things I was worried about were

534
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: rattlesnakes or grizzly bears. Where I used to LK hunt,

535
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: there's a lot of grizzly bears and um never really

536
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: thought about wolves or mountain lions, but mostly bears, you know,

537
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: and and rattlesnakes and ticks like I've read and maybe

538
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: this is another wives tale that I've heard, But I've

539
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: read that the ticks and Idaho don't carry the lime disease.

540
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: Is that true? I don't know. I don't know anybody

541
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: personally that's uh ghutlines disease from Idaho, but I'm sure,

542
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure they do. But yeah, so I come down

543
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: here and this is all new to me, well that

544
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: I would say this, and it was new to me

545
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: when I got here as well, and still is kind

546
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: of a certain way. But um, as a culture, even

547
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: or as people were obsessed with the the anomaly like

548
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: that air occurrence, obsessed with those things because one because

549
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: a lot of times they're special and a lot of

550
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: times they're amazing, and sometimes they're insanely horrible. UM. And

551
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: this the anomaly doesn't always inform like the way you

552
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: should live your life. But in this case, there's just

553
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: this a compounding number of anomalies that happen, like rattlesnake bites,

554
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: viruses that sho's probably have colma virus. I don't believe

555
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: it is that, but a tick that can take away

556
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: your carnivor carnivorous nature. It's so terrible. Yeah, it's bizarre. Yeah,

557
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: you're right, like things that things that seem impossible are

558
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: very intriguing, right. And and then in this case, it's

559
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: quite the storyline from hunting this place. But we've had

560
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: an amazing hunt, I would say, and I like this

561
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: place because we're you know, kind of allowed out on

562
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: this private ranch and they just let us go and

563
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: they say, you know, stalk around, find a buck you like,

564
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: and go for it there. Because there's no seasons on

565
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: exotic game and in Texas and so and this is

566
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: the rut. Generally, the access to our spasmodic, so they

567
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: don't all rut at one time, but this generally is

568
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: the time of your most of the running activity happens.

569
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: There's lined up in this area of the country, so

570
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: you have access to your bucks running around, like you said, everywhere,

571
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: and they're roaring, which is a bone chilling sound. It's crazy.

572
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: I kept asking be like, if you had no education

573
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: about access steer and you were just in the woods somewhere,

574
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: I don't care where you were at. It could be Texas,

575
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: it could be wherever you grew up Idaho. Because I

576
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: know it, and you heard that sound, would you not

577
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: think it wasn't a dinosaur, a velociraptor. I think, like, wow, sasquatch. Eh, yeah, no,

578
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: it's it's so it's the landscape is familiar. But this animal,

579
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: as much as I have haunted them in the past

580
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: couple of years and talked about them on this podcast

581
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: and everywhere else, they're still unfamiliar. Still getting to know them.

582
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: I have many, many decades of many many have to

583
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: have three decades of experience with white tail deer. So

584
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm not just getting to know them. I know a

585
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: lot about them. I know how they see, you know

586
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: how they think, and what they eat, how they travel,

587
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: and a lot of deer species do the same things.

588
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: But we got to watch a lot of access to here.

589
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: They don't do a lot of the things that white

590
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: tailed deer. Dude, and they're just intrigue for for a

591
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: number of reasons. But that brings me to why you

592
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: and I have hunted it together what twice? Now, Uh,

593
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: we're not lifelong friends, have known each other for a

594
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: little bit of time, um, in the industry, and we've

595
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: had those two experiences, and both experiences had failure in them. Ah,

596
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: my failure and some yours or whatever. I mean people

597
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: other people in camp sense some success and some failure.

598
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: All of these hunting camps are like that. And UM,

599
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. We sure do you talk about our

600
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: success enough? Because that's exciting and that's something that we value.

601
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: That's what we're here to do, and we'll and and

602
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: we're excited and we want to tell those stories. But

603
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: there are stories of failure. I think it is equally

604
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: as important as our stories of success. And you and

605
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: I haven't really talked all about that, but I find

606
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: that that like as as I know, you appreciate the

607
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: experience of honey as much as I do. And so

608
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: for me, when I sail an arrow over a buck's

609
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: back at forty five yards, I'm smiling. I'm I'm happy

610
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: at that happened. I'm not I'm not upset that I

611
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: didn't kill it. I much rather would have done that.

612
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: But I don't look at it as something necessarily lost,

613
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: sik at us an opportunity gained and I'll be better

614
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: for the next one. Now you know we've both when

615
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,479
Speaker 1: we've hunted together wounded animals. Um, that's a whole different story.

616
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: That's like the one thing that changes the game, because

617
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: that affects the animal. Have you spook the animal in aarra,

618
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't affect too much. Um, So just talk about that,

619
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: I mean talk about your you know, for me, I

620
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: was in we were in Lenai a month ago for

621
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: episode thirteen, and I had nothing but failure. I mean

622
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: so much failure that I wasn't sure if I could

623
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: draw my bow back just because I didn't want to

624
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: let it down again, that's not we're shooting there And

625
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: watched the access You're ducket again. Um, I came here

626
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: and I had a media success first morning success boom. Well,

627
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: I think it's important to talk about you. He had

628
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: made mention of that after and I didn't realize that

629
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: you had such a tough time in lnight trying to

630
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: get a deer kill. I knew you didn't kill one,

631
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: but um, you as soon as you, I mean do

632
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: you had that first morning was absolutely amazing. We had

633
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: a great, great morning hunt got into access to your

634
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: learned it life lifetime of got a lifetime and knowledge

635
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: of access deer. In that one morning we were close.

636
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: We heard him calling. I saw him do all these

637
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: things I never even knew they did. You shot a

638
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: buck at forty yards and absolutely just made a perfect shot.

639
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: Buck runs twenty forty yards, something tips over dead, like

640
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: perfect scenario. And you I can't remember the exact quote

641
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: or you're what you said exactly, but it was somewhere

642
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: along the lines of man, all that, all those failures,

643
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: and Lena, I really like honed me for this hunt

644
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: like you were on it man like. I like, looking

645
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: back now, I was like, man, Ben was dialed like

646
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: the knew exactly what he needed to do, but knew

647
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: exactly where he needed to place that arrow and it

648
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: ended up being perfect. And that comes from all your

649
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: failures that you had in Yeah, because you can't. You

650
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: can't in the moment. You can't play them all back, right.

651
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: If I was like, oh wait, deer, chill out, I

652
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: have to replay all the moments to make sure I'm

653
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: informed by them for this one, so I don't I

654
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: don't fail. I don't feel giggs. I don't think I

655
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: could do it. I don't think I can miss again

656
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: or not get a shot again or whatever. Um. But yeah,

657
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,479
Speaker 1: I just I just remember thinking there's there's two types.

658
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: I mean, and uh, guys like around me Warrem will

659
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: tell you about just being an arrow, like being confident

660
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: in knowing if you're not worried about whether your gears

661
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: is gonna perform, you're not worry worth about you can

662
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: do it. You're just worried about that where that arrow goes,

663
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: and you just kind of become it and you know

664
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: where it's gonna go. You know it's gonna be good.

665
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: And I don't often have that. I get you eat

666
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: a lot of failure and you doubt yourself and just

667
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: leads to bad stuff. I tell people all the time,

668
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: like the absolute worst thing for me anyway, like to

669
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: go on a hunt is to not have confidence in

670
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: my equip it meant and not have confidence in yourself. Yeah.

671
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: If you go out with with those two things, you're

672
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: you will not succeed. Yeah. And I had and I

673
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: John Dudley telling me showed up to his place in

674
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: Iowa with with a bow that wasn't sighted in and

675
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: you know, I've got a travel's kidder that's crazy, and

676
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: a job and a kid and life got crazy and

677
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: I didn't shoot my bow as much as I should have,

678
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: and I showed up there and he's just like, look, man,

679
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: this is part of this like step your game up.

680
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: You know, he was just honest with the step your

681
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: game up. Um, He's like, I've huntled with you four

682
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: or five times, and and the three times you showed

683
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: up with a bow that you were confident with you

684
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: killed stuff. And the times that you show up and

685
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: you're like, I still need to shoot a little bit

686
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: are the times where it's it gets you're thinking about

687
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: other things. You're not comfortable with that stuff. So yeah,

688
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: when you spend five days failing with a bow and

689
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: with it the set up and with an animal, a

690
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: certain type of animal, I mean, it sharpens you. If

691
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: you were you know, if you just go out s

692
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: see the first time, I'm sure you learn things and

693
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: but there's no the level of frustration causes you to

694
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: want to get better. And then you go out there

695
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: kind of unwilling to feel that again, and that unwillingness

696
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: sharpens everything. And you I was just pretty determined no, man,

697
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: I saw it in your eyes, like and especially looking

698
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: back and knowing like I said, I didn't know exactly

699
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: just struggle you had over there in the and I

700
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: trying to kill one of these deer. But yeah, looking back,

701
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I could be like, yeah, it

702
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: was like you had that predator instinct in him, you know.

703
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: And as I used to tell that to my dad,

704
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: I remember, like I thought about this day and and

705
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: in all honesty and fairness, I will be like, I

706
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: have to tell you, like I am in a bad

707
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: spot right now, Like I went through some stuff like

708
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: when I left. So what happened I guess we can

709
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: talk about that is I mean, um, the first day

710
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: I didn't really hunt. I had just had so much

711
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: fun following Ben and call around that I was like,

712
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: I'll just run the camera and uh try to capture

713
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: as much as this as I can because it was

714
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: so much fun. And we we captured some amazing content.

715
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: And so yesterday right it was the first day I hunted,

716
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: and Bennett killed his deer, killed a deer, a buck,

717
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 1: and uh Cal had some chances. And then yesterday morning

718
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: we went to a location and we got in on

719
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: the tier and it was my turn to be the shooter,

720
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: I guess, and we got into this water hole. We

721
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: basically stalked a buck for a while, and then we

722
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: realized he's headed this water hole. Let's just me and

723
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,959
Speaker 1: Ben both looked at each other and said, we gotta

724
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: get to the water hole. Beautiful, but one of the

725
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: bigger ones we saw. So we gets the water hole.

726
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: It's it was just awesome deer everywhere. It was drawn

727
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: back on that one deer that we we spotted there

728
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: or stalked there forty three yards never never presented a

729
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: shot and dude, and and even to go back further.

730
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: The reason I'm saying I'm in a bad spot is

731
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: because my archery elk hunt in Idaho last year was rough.

732
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: I called a bull in the very first day, I

733
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: was by myself called a bull. In filmed the whole

734
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: thing by myself called him. In got so worked up

735
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: I I accidentally punched my trigger when I wasn't ready

736
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: to shoot. Uh missed the bull. The arrow kind of

737
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: like flopped off throto the side of him. I found

738
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: the arrow, no no blood or hair. The bull is

739
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: finally got ended up getting killed, and then we hunted

740
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: seventeen days in a row with the Born and Raised crew,

741
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: and Trevor killed a bull. Anyway the last second last day,

742
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, it's it's my turn again, Like

743
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill a bull, like it's feeling pretty down

744
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: about my shooting, my abilities. Same thing, man, bull comes

745
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 1: in and it's not my shooting, it's it's my mental

746
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: game is way off. Anyway, bull comes into thirty five yards.

747
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: I just made some serious, like mental mistakes and missed

748
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: completely missed the bull, which was great, you know, and

749
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: like you said earlier, like I can look at it

750
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: and be like, no harm, no foul. But at the

751
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: same time, I have an archery hunt it since then,

752
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: I don't believe. And so I've been thinking about that

753
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: from last six or eight, right, And I was the

754
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: same thing, like I told myself, I'm gonna be better,

755
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot more, I'm gonna practice, I'm gonna figure

756
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: this out. Like life happens, I don't get to shoot

757
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: as much as I want to have four kids. My

758
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: wife like, I shoot as much as I can. But

759
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: so coming on this hunt, I shot. I probably knew

760
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: about this for a week before we came down I

761
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: shot every day, like, Okay, I gotta get the bowl out,

762
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: shoot retuned it. Like I was feeling pretty good coming

763
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: into this, shooting out to sixty five seventy yards at

764
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: the house, but feeling pretty good about this anyway. So

765
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: yesterday morning, um, wonderful morning. Buck never presents a show,

766
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: runs off. Another buck comes in, beautiful buck, and he

767
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: was he was kind of he knew it. The water hole.

768
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 1: We just sat at that water hole. It was hot,

769
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: it was like hundred degrees and we're like, we're just

770
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: gonna stay at this water hole, will build a little blind,

771
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: we'll see see what comes in and not, I don't know.

772
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: Forty five minutes after we got settled in, here comes

773
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: a big old fat velvet buck. Beautiful buck. Yeah. Like

774
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: when I saw him, I was like, I don't ever Like, obviously,

775
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: I don't know how to score an access to here.

776
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: But it's never about scores, about my instant reaction to

777
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: when I see an animal, is it is it? Do

778
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: I get excited? Great? Big enough for me? And that's yeah,

779
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: this is just for general practice. Its beautiful beautiful anyway

780
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: comes in kind of knows something's up, spooks they barked

781
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: just like an elk if you hunted before they bark

782
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: for like a warning sign, like what are you like?

783
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: Come out? He barked a few times. Um I got

784
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: drawn back anyway, he runs out, says you have to

785
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: shoot him when he stops, like this will be your

786
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: own chance ranged him. Felt confident And all I've ever

787
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: heard about access to your when you're shooting at him

788
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 1: is they're kg little buggers, Like they will jump your string.

789
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,959
Speaker 1: I've heard that from guys at twenty yards, at thirty yards.

790
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: I was at sixty five, and like, this thing is

791
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: gonna jump my string. And I felt like mentally I

792
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: was in it, like I wasn't like didn't have the

793
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: quotation buck fever they call it. I felt like I

794
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: really talked myself through this shot. You did too, And

795
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: I was watched and i'm i'm, I'm I've seen access

796
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: to your put their bellies in the dirt on a

797
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: bowshot at yards. Yeah, to the point where there's no

798
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: way you would have had to aim at the bottom

799
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: of their stomach. That hit him in the backstrap. That's well,

800
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: And that's what I did with this, I thought, And

801
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 1: obviously I aimed a little bit too low, but sixty five.

802
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: That's the last thing I said is this is a

803
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: long shot. I'm comfortable with this shot. But at this shot,

804
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: any animal jumped the string. Yeah. I have a short drawing,

805
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: I have short arms. I'm not shooting a super fast bow.

806
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: But that so the last thing I remember is just

807
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: go low of his body like and maybe it was

808
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: an inch is what I felt like. It was release

809
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: zero And in my head, I'm like arrows sailing through

810
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: the air and it slows down, you know. And now

811
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 1: I think back, like I remember the thoughts I was having.

812
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: I was like, that's a that's a dead buck, Like

813
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna sink right into it. Anyway, erro go flying

814
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: and just you see it arching down and the deer

815
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: never moved a muscle. He just statue. He just statuted me,

816
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: like watch the ero go below it. Oh you had him.

817
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, here it goes. And then I

818
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: saw that air dropping in to the boiler room. I thought,

819
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, like he's gonna synk right into this scene.

820
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: Never moved shot. I don't know right below. I mean

821
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: I think you might have, you know, give a shave ship.

822
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: Yeah it was close, but I mean, so for that experience.

823
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: I was like, well that was I felt great about

824
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: the shot. I talked myself through and that was. That's

825
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: been my motto since last year, was just slow it down,

826
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: talk yourself through this. You do it all summer long,

827
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: you go to these total archery challenges and shoot, like,

828
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: just slow it down and do that. I feel like

829
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: I get rushed sometimes and I see an animal and

830
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: you work so hard to do it sometimes that when

831
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: you are presenting that opportunity you've been hunting for, it's

832
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: like I've got to do it now. I've got to

833
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: do it now else I'll never have that chance again.

834
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: That I feel like I followed it anyway. I talked

835
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: myself through it. That was a great shot. I just

836
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: didn't do what I thought he was gonna do. Me

837
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: and Ben talked about it. Ben, you were great by

838
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: the way you were like, man, you did everything perfect.

839
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: Don't worry about that. That was a great shot. That's

840
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: what I would have done. Well. Then we're talking to

841
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: the guy back at camp and he's like, no, no, actually, dear,

842
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: do not they They'll they just stand there and take it.

843
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, really, I just I and I My response

844
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: was listen, man, I've shot an arrow maybe ten access

845
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: dear in my life, and not one of them stood

846
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: there and took it. Y the ones that I've killed,

847
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: one actually one I killed. I shot at them from

848
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: so far away there's no way you canna heard the string,

849
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: and lucky I got um. And this the one I

850
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: shot the other day, it was full rut like he

851
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: he didn't know anything, what's going on? We're lucky, lucky

852
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: to have that, so he wouldn't go jomp any strings.

853
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: But I missed two or three does and one and

854
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: I were it just was. It was ridiculous, the amount

855
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: that they would move in the short time frame that

856
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: the air was in the air and it's headed their way.

857
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeah. So yeah, we get back to cam

858
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: Tore like, oh no, let's sit take it. So then

859
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm like that's weighing on my head, like okay, so

860
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: maybe I should just put it, you know. And I

861
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: would never recommend now looking back, like you should never

862
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: hold off the body. I don't think in case of

863
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: that situation, like no, I should have held you know,

864
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: you just read the animal. You just don't read the animal.

865
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: I don't. For me. The thing that I've learned it

866
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 1: just got to read the animal. And if that theor

867
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: is looking at you. And then in the case of

868
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: that dear he spooked off the water hole, he was

869
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: looking at us. Yeah, and you're thinking, if he's on alert,

870
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: he's he knows we're here, you know something's up, he's

871
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 1: gonna be jumping. But if he's just drinking all he's

872
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: just having a drink, he''s gonna take him a little

873
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: bit more time to pick this up. And so you're

874
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: just you're reading the animal, you're reading the situation. You're

875
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: using your past experience to say, like is this going

876
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: to is this gonna happen? What you know, how is

877
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: this going to happen? And you're processing all of that

878
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: and what is seconds? Seconds? And it The funny thing

879
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: for me is that it's like I said, it's that

880
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: sharpened mentality that that you can sluugh off. You're just

881
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 1: slough off all that ship. It's like, well, I don't

882
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: get Hildy ducks it or not, it's going it's gonna

883
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: hit him. Um. That sounds like an overly simplistical way

884
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: of thinking about it. But once you've had all the

885
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: failures and those things have happened, then you're you're able

886
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: to kind of just them up in your head just

887
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: to say, like I've seen this for I know what

888
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: this is, I know how this goes well, I know

889
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: how this goes bad, and I am going to make

890
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: it go well. I'm going to and that's going to happen.

891
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: And you just and that goes down to practice too,

892
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: right when it comes down to like a second comfortable Yeah,

893
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: I think for practice, I mean it's just can't practice

894
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: all that is for well, no, but I feel like

895
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: for what practices that it's all repetition, right, it's muscle memory.

896
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: In my opinion, shooting a bow is and so you

897
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: do it enough and it's it's practicing correctly is a

898
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: big thing too. And there I think there's a lot

899
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: of things. I've been shooting a bow since I was

900
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: eight years old. I'm thirty six years old. Like I've

901
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: been seriously shooting a bow like with my dad my

902
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: whole life basically. And I've hunted since I was twelve

903
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: with a bow and been very fortunate to kill I

904
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: think ten elk with my bow now, Like i feel

905
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: like I'm not accomplished, but I feel like I'm a

906
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: seasoned bow hunter. Yeah, let's I mean, that's a good

907
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: point to make. And I would say this too. So

908
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: much of what the bow hunting community is now is

909
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 1: is about this. This glorifying of professional professional hunters is

910
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: not the term, but but professional industry folks, guys that

911
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: are on TV or on do this, UM on your case,

912
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: on YouTube or wherever your platform is, and you have

913
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: to be you don't have to be, but your your

914
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: brands like you a lot better if you're an expert,

915
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: and they like you a lot better if you're really

916
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: good at it, because that that adds value to what

917
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: you do. And it's almost like there's no room for

918
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: a normal guy who's a serious bow hunter just feeling

919
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: it out and gets all kinds of awesome opportunities and

920
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: sometimes it makes it work, sometimes it doesn't work. UM

921
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: and just tells that entire story. And I'm sure I

922
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: imagine you would agree with the point that, like you

923
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: and I are both just normal guys. We don't under

924
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: percent it's normal. I don't. I'm terrible at a lot

925
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: of things like my hand, eye coord name, my jump

926
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: shot is ten year old girl, no fasted ten year

927
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 1: old girls are a lot of them skilled, but they're

928
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: draining three girls out there right now that are offended

929
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: by what you just I'm sorry, ten year old girls,

930
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: don't write into Ben and home Mark, don't be listening

931
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: to podcasts. No, I would. That's what I would say

932
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: is like I feel like people think that since we

933
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: do this for a living, that we're like, yeah, there's

934
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: like this professional yeah, like oh wait, hold on, you're

935
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,959
Speaker 1: making con YouTube or like whatever content, you're making hunting

936
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: content and putting it out there and getting paid to

937
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: dored bear. Yeah. I've never claimed to be I hate

938
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: the word professional hunter. I don't. I feel like a

939
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: professional hunter is somebody gets paid to go out and

940
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: kill animals for the government. Like that's like terminology that's

941
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: using pretty specially in Africa for yeah, and I don't know,

942
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 1: like to keep it there. I don't use that terms

943
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: specifically because it's it's it's a term that's using Africa

944
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 1: and more appropriate there. But um, yeah, so I think

945
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: there's this level that's my failure to me, is this

946
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: like this important discussion? Um, and you think it would

947
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: be in sports, failure is evident because most of us

948
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: getting filmed or there's an audience that's watching it. Live

949
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: and in hunting, nobody's watching, so you can shape the

950
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: story however you want. Well, that's the thing too, and

951
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: that's what I definitely wanted to talk about, is man,

952
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: you know, there's three of us that do hush and

953
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: and uh. We are all very normal people, like maybe

954
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: even below normal. I don't know, below average guys never

955
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 1: taking an AT test, Probably way below. But I would say,

956
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: like on a scale of of hunters that have hunted

957
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: a long time, I think we obviously we fall in

958
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: that category. We've all hunted. We all were fortunate to

959
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: have great dads that taught us how to hunt. We're

960
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: kids since we've done it all our lives. But by

961
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: no means have we ever like done anything to like

962
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: put us like set as apart. I think there's guys

963
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: out there, like I look at people like Adam green

964
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: Tree and Rammy Warren for for sure, Like I look

965
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 1: at those guys and I'm like, if I would ever

966
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: use that or throw that term around like professional hunter,

967
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: those guys would be it, because like I watched what

968
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: they do and they're legit, like right, and they did.

969
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: Those guys, I don't know that if they came to it.

970
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: There's no application process. People see it and they know

971
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: it and and that's how it works. But like like

972
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 1: you say, you have a choice. When you're a content creator,

973
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: you have a choice to present what story you guys

974
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: have a choice to present. Edit out things that aren't flat,

975
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: that aren't flattering. You have a choice to and eyes

976
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: do I to just put up? Like you know, I

977
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: put I made a post on the old instagrams there

978
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: uh during the lane, I has just said I am

979
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: terrible at this. And it was like if if if

980
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: that was like a live sporting event and people had

981
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: followed me for five days, Like I was like, you know,

982
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: on a golf course and they're following my group on

983
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: CBS or something, Jim Nance would be talking all types

984
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: of ship on me, like bank can't drive, he can't putty,

985
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: can't ship. He's falling down, he fell out of the

986
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: golf cart, he ran into a lake. He's drunk. Jim

987
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: Nance too. I wish we could get ym Nasces coming.

988
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: If you're gonna find somebody that's gonna talk about you'd

989
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: be be Chim names Jim Nance. I'd love to have

990
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: Jim Nance calm and just be there, like I need

991
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: who been there coming in. Benner Brand pulls the boll back,

992
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: Harol falls off, and an armadillo bites in the foot.

993
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: He falls over. We didn't even talk about the armadillos.

994
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,479
Speaker 1: I'm not going back to that conversation. Armadillos give you leprosy, Okay,

995
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: people look it up, pick it up. There should be

996
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: a waiver you have to sign before you come into

997
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: the state of Texas. I know these things. Did you

998
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: know you can get leprosy from a biblical plague, plague

999
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: that wiped out billions of people, and I thought it

1000
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: was gone. I thought it was off. The hurt and

1001
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: leprosy doesn't mean like you turned green and go to Ireland.

1002
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: It means you just boil your skin, boils off. Let's

1003
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: talk about that from it. Did you know that? Though? Before?

1004
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: The other night before Ryan Callahan was trying to catch

1005
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: an armadillo and the guy said, don't do that, you

1006
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: get leprosy. I might have like it much like that

1007
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: rare meat. Diuse'se like I've read an article and then

1008
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: just going like a great oh an anomaly. Yeah, but again,

1009
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: let's not get but here you go anyway, Yes, public

1010
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: service announcement, don't play with the armadillo. It might give

1011
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: you leprosy. And if if you can't eat meat and

1012
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: you got leprosy, what can you do? Anyways? Like if

1013
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: Jim Nance came along from my Arla and I hunt,

1014
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: he would have been like he would have filing like

1015
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: Shane do orry you're having like Shane draw, he shoots, said,

1016
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: kills a buck and he gets a troupe. Are like

1017
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: down back to Ben O'Brien's group. Oh he's lost a boot.

1018
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: Why is he in the road? Why is he walking

1019
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: down the hard road like this guy? Because how I felt,

1020
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: I felt just like a a stooge. And um, I

1021
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: just felt like I wish all the people uh that

1022
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 1: would ever look at anything I ever did and hunting

1023
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: could see this right now, because they would be like,

1024
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: oh okay. A lot of them be like what a loser,

1025
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: But some of them be like that was a real guy.

1026
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: They're just just having a bad week. Man having a

1027
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: bad week. He knows what to do. I went to

1028
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: the nine last year and shot of a good bucket

1029
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: eighty yards and I thought, nanswermen like O'Brien takes the

1030
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: shots before the wind, he drives it and holding one

1031
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: and so I go back there this year kind of

1032
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: like nonchalantly thinking I want to get Henna something happened, ah,

1033
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: but it doesn't happen, And so I guess, you know,

1034
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: I really just wanted to want to talk about because

1035
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: I go it goes back to our hunt in Colorado,

1036
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: and I was coming off the same as you. I

1037
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 1: was in at the desirette Um a bunch of really

1038
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: great hunters, and I screwed the pooch on film and

1039
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: had to shot at Elk at thirty three yards in

1040
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,240
Speaker 1: the ass and then had to go get a rifle

1041
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: and finish the mall. And I and I didn't have

1042
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: another bow hunt until in November. And when I showed

1043
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: up in October to hunt deer with you guys, I

1044
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: that's where I was at. And I was also just

1045
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: bow hunting good Ton and so I was like, wow,

1046
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: rifle easy, I'll just show up. They'll hand me this

1047
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: brand new weather being. Yeah, you're you're just a shooter.

1048
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: Peo peo pew and dead buck. Well le's if I

1049
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: say it was it was a joke. And wounded a

1050
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: buck and luckily tracked him down and shot him. Um,

1051
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: and then there was like that's two hunts in a row.

1052
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: That was the massive failures. After I had like six

1053
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: or seven hunts that were very very successful, and uh

1054
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: showed up to Iowa a couple of weeks after I

1055
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: was with you guys and and shot a good buck

1056
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: with the boat that wasn't out in because I had

1057
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: to buzz with a bunch of reasons, shot a good

1058
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: buck and had success. Um and then went to you know,

1059
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: I went to Mexico and a good cure. So anyway,

1060
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: we don't need the full list of things, but it's

1061
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: it's it's a I think for normal people with a

1062
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: lot of opportunities to go hunting, it's a it's up

1063
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: and down, up and down. Going back to the point

1064
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: you're making is yeah, we do have the choice to

1065
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: show what what we choose to show. But I have

1066
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: always been very um passionate and adamant, I should say,

1067
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: is the word that we show it how it is like,

1068
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: we have a really cool platform and it's not a

1069
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: TV show. It is on YouTube, and I like I

1070
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: like the way we do it because it's just like

1071
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: hanging out. I want the audience to feel like they're

1072
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: just hanging out with us, and so it's you know,

1073
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: not reality to TV. But it's not highly polished, highly

1074
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: produced stuff. It's just stuff we shoot ourselves a lot

1075
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: of times holding our own camera, filming ourselves what they

1076
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: call vlogging anyway, and and and we show it, and

1077
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: we want people to feel like they're just hanging out

1078
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: with us. We want people, I want people to feel

1079
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: like they are learning with us, because going back to

1080
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: us being very average people and maybe a little bit

1081
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: below average hunters, that we are learning as we're creating

1082
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: this content. We want the audience to be right there

1083
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: with us learning too, because there's a lot more average

1084
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: Joe's out there than there are studs like Remy Warrant

1085
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: or or Adam or uh Adam green Tree. But we

1086
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: I've always been very adamant about showing what goes on

1087
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: because I tell people all the time, and I we

1088
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: have people tell us, hey, man, I love the way

1089
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: you guys shoot it. I just always just feel like

1090
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm there with you guys. I feel like I know

1091
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: you guys, like I've never met you in this might

1092
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: sound weird, but I feel like I know it. So

1093
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: I feel like it would be doing a giant in

1094
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: just service by editing out stuff that happened that maybe

1095
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: we don't want people to know about. And that's what

1096
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: I tell my partner's Brian and Eric, is you know,

1097
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: if we go into it and go into everything and

1098
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: it's not just this YouTube team we do, but if

1099
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: you do everything in life with a confidence that you

1100
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: think it's right. Do you think what you're doing is right?

1101
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: You should have nothing ever to hide. Right. You should

1102
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: your life should just be what you think is right.

1103
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not right, but in your heart you're thinking

1104
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,439
Speaker 1: it's That's why they say, like Zuckerberg's tap on your phone,

1105
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: I'm I don't give a ship get in there. Yeah,

1106
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: Like I always wonder that too, Like the people get

1107
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: so mad, I'm like, what are you hiding pictures of

1108
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: my son? And like you know, pictures of animals. Yeah,

1109
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: but guys, I have some pictures for you. But to

1110
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: go back to, uh, yeah, the honey thing. Like I

1111
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: tell Eric and Bryant, man, if we always go into

1112
01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: every situation with hunting and say, hey, just do everything

1113
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: we think is right, then we should never have to

1114
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: cut anything out. Even though we get a hard time

1115
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: because we've showed a lot of a lot of misses

1116
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: or we've wounded animals and we've shown that and people

1117
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: are like, hey, like I thought you guys were supposed

1118
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: to be professional hunters and you wound animals all the time.

1119
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: I never see that on TV or so and so

1120
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: never does that. And I'm like, well, I don't know

1121
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: what so and so does, but I can tell you this.

1122
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: What you see is what really happens. Like I missed

1123
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 1: three what I would call awesome, the most beautiful access

1124
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: dear I've ever seen. I missed three of them this week,

1125
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: and I will show all of those. Yeah, and I

1126
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: didn't miss the last one. We have talked about this

1127
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: and I guess we're getting to it. But uh so anyway, yeah,

1128
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: so in my head that this this was last night,

1129
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: we go back out and I'm like, oh, so they

1130
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: don't jump the string, Like maybe they're a little different

1131
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: on this ranch. And that's what I was talking about,

1132
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,959
Speaker 1: was like, look, this is a different place, a different ranch.

1133
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 1: These animals don't see a lot of folks. There's a

1134
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: lot of white tail hunters here, turkey hunters, um. But

1135
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: at some corners of this ranch where we were, you know,

1136
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: they let us out of the truck and let us

1137
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: go walking around to do our to just freelance to

1138
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: our thing. You know, maybe that these deer just are

1139
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: a little more comfortable than the ones uh in lan

1140
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: I or but maybe they just are wired a little

1141
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: bit differently. They have been pushed around as much um

1142
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: and maybe their nature is just a little bit dulled,

1143
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: because I do feel by nature that these these deers

1144
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,919
Speaker 1: just a little bit more switched on. Yeah, so we're like, okay, yeah,

1145
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: you know, makes sense that one didn't jump the string

1146
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: go back to the same water hole. We we kind

1147
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: even knew the program because we'd watch these deer for

1148
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: so long and there was just an absolute ton of

1149
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: deer in there anyway. So we get set up on

1150
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: the water hole pretty early, had some deer come by.

1151
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: I had a ton of action come by anyway, about

1152
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: six o'clock magical hour or whatever, just like clockwork, just

1153
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:58,439
Speaker 1: another beautiful buck comes in. And we had been set

1154
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: up on this road and then there was a fence

1155
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: on the other side of the road and the water

1156
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: hole set to our direct left. What I mean Ben

1157
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: saw in the morning was when these deer come out

1158
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: of the trees and go to the water hole, the

1159
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: majority of them would jump the fence and land on

1160
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: the road and then walk down this little funnel into

1161
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: the water hole. And so the way we set up

1162
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: our blind was behind the fence. This was going through

1163
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: my head. I don't know if you were thinking about this,

1164
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: but I was like, this is perfect because if they

1165
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,919
Speaker 1: come and jump the fence where they were this morning

1166
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: when they jumped the fence there behind a tree, and

1167
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: they can't hear very well with them with their hooves

1168
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: landing on the gravel. So that's a great time to

1169
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: draw your bow. They walk out of the tree twenty

1170
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: yards it's easy. Yeah. So what we learned pretty early

1171
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: was the deer weren't doing our program. They were coming

1172
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: in behind us. So yeah, the problem is there's so

1173
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: many deer and they all want to get a drink

1174
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: with a hundred degrees and they're coming from every conceivable.

1175
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: So you have, yeah, deer coming in behind you barking

1176
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: at you that are scaring the other deer there supposed

1177
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: to be coming in anyway, it was fun that we

1178
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: had a blast. We had deer come in. We I

1179
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: think we ended up sitting on one of the most

1180
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: popular trails too could travel to the water hole because

1181
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: we had bucks that showed up like four yards away

1182
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: from us, and we're like wow, were like, maybe we're

1183
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,439
Speaker 1: a little too close anyway, So finally this tear comes

1184
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: and jumps the fence. He he read the script like

1185
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: we wanted, jumps the fence, lands on the road. I

1186
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: draw my bow back and perfectly, and as soon as

1187
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: he lands, he decided he was going to run through

1188
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: the shooting window I had and just run to the

1189
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: water holes fast that he could. So he jumps the fence.

1190
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm getting excited, like this is gonna work out just

1191
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: like we planned, like twenty yards shot, like and and

1192
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: in my head, I'm thinking about these things, like I'm

1193
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: thinking about my Missus from last year. I'm thinking about

1194
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: that sixty yard shot I took in the morning. Oh

1195
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 1: and there was a deer I missed at fifty two

1196
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: yards before that that came into the water hole. Okay, yeah,

1197
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: so this is a big part of the stories. Came

1198
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: into the water hole and it was fifty two yards

1199
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: and arrange him. He was a little on alert, ranged

1200
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: him and and uh Ben got the camera set up

1201
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: the best way he could and uh you can get

1202
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 1: you'll see if you watch the Hushing channel. You'll see

1203
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: the great a great oak tree. Yeah, I filmed during

1204
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: and that's it. He was drinking. I thought I had

1205
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: him dead dead right, Like I I felt very confident

1206
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: with that shot as well, aimed right at him, and

1207
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: he was, like I said, on un alert a little bit.

1208
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: But I felt like as soon as I touched that trigger,

1209
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: like yeah, he had spun in a D and eighty

1210
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: degree obviously and was running away before my arrow over

1211
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 1: got to where he was at, I was just like,

1212
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: oh wow, Like and I didn't think much of I

1213
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: just like what do you do there? Like? He just well,

1214
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: we kept talking about It's like, dude, you gotta you know,

1215
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: this is just a race that remembers you didn't do

1216
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: anything wrong. You didn't jump the trigger, you didn't make

1217
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: a bad shot, you didn't rush it, do anything. It's

1218
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: like this. Continue to go and and and make these

1219
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: decisions and and so far they're all have been the right.

1220
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,959
Speaker 1: Well and you're not. You didn't go to a knee

1221
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: when you shouldn't have. If you didn't, you lose your form.

1222
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: You didn't you know, try to watch the arrow. I

1223
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: was staying right, sigeant tell all those things. But then

1224
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: you know, here's the situation where you do everything right

1225
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: and still and still you have no control. Yeah, and

1226
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: I think that's a good thing to make mention of.

1227
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: Is man Like, these are wild animals. They do some

1228
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: pretty crazy things. They survive in this country. Like all

1229
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: those things we just talked about that I'm definitely afraid

1230
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 1: of and worried about. They survived that three sixty five

1231
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: days a year, ticks, rattlesnakes, all that. Anyway, So yeah,

1232
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna win something, right. I don't feel like we lost.

1233
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: They just win something. Well, that's what. Yeah. Sometimes it

1234
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: just goes their way and that's honey, it shouldn't be.

1235
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: And I get that anyway. So that's in my head.

1236
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 1: But I didn't think much of it. Like you said,

1237
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: I think feel like we do everything right. So this

1238
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: deer reads the program and he reads the script and

1239
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 1: it's following the program we want. And he jumps a

1240
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,919
Speaker 1: fence and like I said, he was supposed to jump

1241
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: and land on the road like most of them, to stop,

1242
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: look around, and then walk out of the pine. When

1243
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm at full draw or it's not a pine tree,

1244
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,919
Speaker 1: walk out of the tree at full draw twenty two yards.

1245
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: I think it was what it ranged at. Shoot him,

1246
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 1: and and then in my head, I'm like, Okay, this

1247
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: is that shot I need. I need that confidence builder

1248
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: where I pulled back. I'm good for a while. I

1249
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: feel good. You know, it gets solid. Fifteen seconds, twenty seconds,

1250
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: You're feeling good. You're thinking about these things. He walks out,

1251
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 1: you make a noise, wait for him to stop, you

1252
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: shoot him, make a perfect shot, and you watch him die. Yeah.

1253
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: Well he jumps a fence and all this stuff going

1254
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 1: through my head, and for some reason, in my head,

1255
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 1: I think there was some other deer there. I think

1256
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: he was trying to be the aggressor. And so he

1257
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 1: jumps a fence and just runs to the water hole

1258
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 1: as fast as you can, and all the other deer runaway.

1259
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 1: So now you have this opportunity that you visualized and

1260
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: you're prepared for it, and you're drawn and it's like

1261
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: I got it. Damn Yeah. I was like what I

1262
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: was like, what is this? Where's he going? And he

1263
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: gets to the water hole and once again like he

1264
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: goes to the water hole search feeding, and he was

1265
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 1: not on high alard at all. I didn't think he

1266
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: wasn't at all. He's drinking. Yeah, And I had ranged

1267
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 1: that spot and it was thirty one yards. And I

1268
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: would say this about highlard. I think any animal a

1269
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,600
Speaker 1: lot of unglods, but but acts deer inarticular are on

1270
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: high alard at some level. Try it all the time,

1271
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 1: but definitely in a water hole. He wasn't looking around.

1272
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: He wasn't like barking like some had been. He wasn't

1273
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 1: looking at us. No, he wasn't looking at us. I

1274
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: think he spooked those deer off and he was kind

1275
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 1: of just watching them and then he went to go water.

1276
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 1: He was thirty one yards. I was set at thirty

1277
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 1: yards like I'm like, show me your pin afterwards like yeah,

1278
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm like okay, Like it's not the twenty yards shop

1279
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: at the third yard. This is like the shot was

1280
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:57,600
Speaker 1: it was. It felt good, like all right. I was

1281
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 1: like you wanna Ben been rounding the camera and all

1282
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: those things are on ahead, and I'm like, okay, put

1283
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: the pen exactly where you want to hit thirty one yards.

1284
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: You know he's not looking at us, like you know,

1285
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: we had just been told they don't duck. I'm like,

1286
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: all right, perfect, settled the pen, felt comfortable. Remember checking

1287
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: my bubble. I remember, I remember thinking, just follow through.

1288
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 1: I shoot and instantly like I'm like, whoa, he moved

1289
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 1: a lot and him running away. My initial reaction was

1290
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: damn it, like I just made a bad shot because

1291
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: I could see the arrow and to me, it looked

1292
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 1: like the arrow had gone through just above it. Look

1293
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: to me, it looked like he went through his backstrap

1294
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: just below the spine and it was sticking out the

1295
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 1: other side with the fletching still embedded in his in

1296
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: his hide and it it was super high. And I

1297
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: was just like, oh, great, nice Ben, He's like yeah,

1298
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: it sounded good like And so then we watched the

1299
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: video back and try to figure out where he ran.

1300
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: Ben founded two drops of blood and we tracked around

1301
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,600
Speaker 1: for two two and a half three hours until they

1302
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:12,719
Speaker 1: can't pick up but um watching and it was weird,

1303
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: like the video was weird, like at one point we're like, oh,

1304
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: you smoked him or perfect shot. Oh you hit him high,

1305
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 1: high shoulder, and then it was like you might hit

1306
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 1: him in the backstrap. Bro, It's tough to see on

1307
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,600
Speaker 1: that little camera. But brought the footage back, watched it

1308
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: on the laptop. The first time we watched we were like, yeah, dude,

1309
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: literally his belly hit the ground. Well, not only did

1310
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 1: belly hit the ground, but his haunches went down and

1311
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: he was like turning his body. And I've seen that

1312
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: a lot with access there. I've seen that arrow gets

1313
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: there and their body is contorted and your arrow might

1314
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 1: hit him. You might be aiming for their long you know,

1315
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 1: front shoulder, and you might hit him at the top

1316
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: of the spot, right at their tail. Yeah, there's so

1317
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 1: much They're turning and ducky in the same time, so

1318
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 1: they're they're reacting in the natural wind and and ducking

1319
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: and turning and so yeah, man, we found zero drops

1320
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: of blood, Like, well, we found two little drops of

1321
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 1: blood right where we knew we ran and then watch

1322
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 1: the video and Saltwary went out of sight and tracked

1323
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 1: around and saw nothing, I mean nothing, and then came

1324
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 1: back here and got with the crew and then looked

1325
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: at the video and it was pretty apparent that they're

1326
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: kind of like entered right at his backstrap and kicked

1327
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 1: up and just got it was just under the high

1328
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: and it was sticking straight up in the air as

1329
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 1: he was running, and so we're reading that as a

1330
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 1: pass through it. Well, it was. It wouldn't even it

1331
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 1: barely looked like a barely nicked him, you know, just

1332
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 1: got in some meat just inside hot. And so now

1333
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: if you got to you know, you've got this. And

1334
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 1: and the rule here is if you if you draw blood,

1335
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: that's your tag. Yeah, that's your animals, your that's your animal.

1336
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 1: Which which is which changed the game in a good way? Well, yeah,

1337
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 1: because if you get a bunch of eight holes like

1338
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 1: me run around flean arrows and everything, and you're not

1339
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: gonna have animals. Yeah. Yeah, it's a great little lotter

1340
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: of ranches are like that. So and I accepted. I'm

1341
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,799
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, it is what it is, like it sucks,

1342
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: but you know, I was like, hey, you know, watching

1343
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 1: the video back, it's like, you know, I think a

1344
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 1: lot of times when you shoot at an animal, they

1345
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,680
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. They don't know what that

1346
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: sound is. They just hear something and they might feel

1347
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 1: a little prick or a little poke and they run off.

1348
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 1: And sometimes they think, you know, especially now with what

1349
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 1: I'm running, they might think, oh it's a it was

1350
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: another buck that like came in behind me, sparred me

1351
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: or something. So I was in my head. I'm like, oh,

1352
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 1: I bet that animal, that buck will come back in

1353
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: the morning. You know they're rutting hard. He's not gonna leave.

1354
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 1: So we went back and sat and he never came in.

1355
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: But had another phenomenal morning. But when I was going

1356
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 1: with this, when I was telling you, like I had

1357
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 1: this little experience when I, uh so, today was like

1358
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 1: meat hunting day for me, like, hopefully this buck comes in.

1359
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 1: If not, um, I had a chance to kill it

1360
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: though as well. And that's you know, my wife has

1361
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 1: been like you better bring something home because we're fresh

1362
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 1: out of steaks at the Butler household right now. Anyway,

1363
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 1: so today was meat hunting there for me and uh

1364
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:03,759
Speaker 1: we had a phenomenal morning Cal. We watched Cal shoot

1365
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: a beautiful access deer which is stickbow. Like, I don't

1366
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,600
Speaker 1: think a lot of games that the long bow the

1367
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: long bow. I don't think there's a lot of games

1368
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: out there doing that. I've never seen it. Yeah, it's

1369
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 1: it ain't easy. So another phenomenal morning we do. We

1370
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 1: took a rifle with us. We're like, hey, worst case scenario, like,

1371
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: uh yeah, let's we'll take the rifle and we can

1372
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 1: shoot a couple of those with it, and um Cal

1373
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 1: shot his buck and then shot a doe with the

1374
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: with the rifle and it was super fun. And then

1375
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 1: I was like, Hey, I'm gonna walk up on this

1376
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: hill where we we'd seen a big group going and uh,

1377
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: see if I can find it, don't shoot one. Well

1378
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: I got up there and there was a lot of

1379
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: deer up there, and uh I snuck in. It was

1380
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 1: super fun there and there was literally hundreds of deer

1381
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: and I was like, and the problem was was I

1382
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: was trying to find a dough that was not covered

1383
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 1: up by another by another animal or there was an

1384
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 1: animal behind her, and dude, I had opportunities to shoot

1385
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: those and I couldn't do it. I was too worried

1386
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:13,560
Speaker 1: about missing. It was running through my head so strongly

1387
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,679
Speaker 1: like that I was, and I there was a point

1388
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 1: that I stopped. I'm like, man, this is bad. I'm

1389
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: in a bad place, like and they and they were

1390
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 1: eighty yards away with a rifle. Yeah yeah, And I

1391
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 1: could see it in you too, And but I got

1392
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,680
Speaker 1: there just a couple like three weeks ago, to the

1393
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 1: point where like you, when you draw your back, I

1394
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 1: hope this doesn't go bad. And that is the exact

1395
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: thing that leads it to to going bad. And when

1396
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 1: you're lucky enough to go, you know, have a pretty

1397
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: packed hunting schedule that that just snowballs and it gets

1398
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 1: to the point where your practice becomes lacka days ago

1399
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 1: because you're thinking about like the agony of this thing.

1400
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of ways that's why hunting

1401
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 1: we love it so much, because we can't experience this

1402
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 1: like pretty acute agony that comes from having this desire

1403
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 1: to get this thing, and and and the wounding of

1404
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 1: an animal in and of itself is a terrible thing,

1405
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 1: terrible feeling. You feel almost better, it's like it's just

1406
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 1: a flesh when you feel better, but still um. When

1407
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: I shot that elkin, and even when it was and

1408
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:19,759
Speaker 1: I knew we were going to kill with a rifle,

1409
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, man, if somebody shot me in

1410
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 1: the guts with an arrow. I don't know if that's

1411
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: compassion or some sort of just reflection or what that

1412
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: feeling is, how you would judge that feeling. But it's

1413
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 1: intense ship it's not it's no joke, and it doesn't

1414
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 1: feel good and you and you're just like, I don't

1415
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 1: want to feel that again and I don't want that

1416
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 1: animal to feel that again. And it's almost you know,

1417
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to fling this arrow. Well,

1418
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 1: I think it's important and maybe that's why we have

1419
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: to go through some of these times. Is I think

1420
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: it's important that you recognize that you still have that

1421
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: you still feel that compassion. Like we've been able to hunt.

1422
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 1: We're very fortunate people and being able to you know,

1423
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 1: travel all over and do a lot of hunting and

1424
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 1: kill a lot of animals. And I feel like if

1425
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 1: you ever lost that, that's probably a good time to

1426
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 1: like reconsider a re establish. Yeah, And I think your

1427
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 1: passion for why you're hunting because and I don't know

1428
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 1: it if it's yeah, compassion for the animal. And that's

1429
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 1: the way I feel. It's the way I look at

1430
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 1: it is. You know, I always think this, this animal

1431
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: is living right now, and with one action, I can

1432
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 1: make his make that animal's life end. And I want

1433
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 1: to do it the fastest way possible. Yeah, I want

1434
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 1: to make the very best shot and so it doesn't

1435
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 1: feel it. And I don't think animals think those same

1436
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 1: way humans do, like oh my gosh, I've just been shot,

1437
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 1: like they feel steeing, they run off and they don't

1438
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: know what's going on. They're like, oh, I'm sick, I

1439
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,639
Speaker 1: better lay down, yeah, and then hopefully they die quick.

1440
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, So I got to the spot where I was,

1441
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't get myself to pull the trigger. I was

1442
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: too worried. I was too worried about missing the deer.

1443
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 1: I was too worried about hitting the deer in a

1444
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 1: bad spot. And then me being like, really, like what

1445
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 1: the hell am I doing out here? Like I shouldn't

1446
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: be out here, And it took me. I was up

1447
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 1: there for what twenty minutes. I was on those deer

1448
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 1: within like two minutes of leaving you guys for five minutes,

1449
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:18,720
Speaker 1: and I was trying to get myself to pull the

1450
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 1: damn trigger. And finally I was just like, I can

1451
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 1: do this. I've done this before numerous times, and just

1452
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 1: calm down a little bit and kill it still. Yeah,

1453
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 1: and I shot it. In a long story short, I

1454
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: get down there and I heard the whack. But after

1455
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 1: you've gone through a number of these experiences, this is

1456
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: where it goes back to the two most important things

1457
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 1: for me anyways, when I go on a hunt, is

1458
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 1: being comfortable or being confident in my equipment and being

1459
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 1: confident in myself r. Yeah, and like you said, I've

1460
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 1: lost that. Yeah, you'll lose it because you just start

1461
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 1: questioning everything. Yeah, because and that's like these this stuff

1462
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: is so intense that and it should be in tense.

1463
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 1: And I think if you were here, just like if

1464
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 1: you were here just shooting from meat only right, um,

1465
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 1: it probably wouldn't be as intense if and if you're

1466
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 1: here just trophy hunting, it probably wouldn't be as intense

1467
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 1: because objectively, those things make you look at the animal differently.

1468
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: But when you're here for this experience and you and

1469
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 1: the experience is important and you and you want that

1470
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: experience to be full in a way that ends with

1471
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 1: the you know, the proper result, the result that should

1472
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: that it should end. And like you're the you're the

1473
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: one who makes it happen one way or the other.

1474
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 1: It's either a good experience or about or a good

1475
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 1: result or a bad experience separate from that. And so

1476
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 1: those connections, man, when you're truly just in it for

1477
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 1: the the experience, the results, when they're bad, man, they

1478
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 1: just get in your head and continue to eat at

1479
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 1: you and for me too, I like, I'm sure you're saying, well,

1480
01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 1: even you wound something, you're sick about it for months.

1481
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: I was sick about that Elk for months, still am,

1482
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 1: And yeah he's dead. I hate him. He's hanging on

1483
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 1: my wall. Um. But this is that like in thebility,

1484
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 1: you know when when Michael Jordan's misses a jump shot,

1485
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:20,879
Speaker 1: no big deal. Yeah, no one or nothing is directly

1486
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: affect Maybe some guys gambling on the camp, but whatever affective.

1487
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: And that's why we've chosen I don't know, maybe why

1488
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 1: we've chosen this thing because it is It is such

1489
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 1: an it is such a visceral thing to have to do,

1490
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 1: and sometimes I'm thinking like, hey, maybe that maybe I

1491
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 1: chose it, and I'm so I feel like such a

1492
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,679
Speaker 1: better person for having done it because it is this way.

1493
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 1: If it wasn't this way, I'd have to quit doing it.

1494
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 1: Like if the missing and the failure wasn't such a

1495
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 1: gut wrencher Man, I walk away right now because that, Yeah,

1496
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 1: I don't. I know guys, and I've talked to people

1497
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 1: and I hear stories. You know, they'll go out and

1498
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 1: for whatever reason wound four or five different you know,

1499
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: critters in his season, and man, we'll get them next year.

1500
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: Like I feel like, obviously we're on the same page, Riot,

1501
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 1: but we have we have a very uh we hold

1502
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,680
Speaker 1: the responsibility of taking an animal really high, right, Like

1503
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 1: it's still very important for the purposes of it. But

1504
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 1: like you say, like killing animal e and meat is

1505
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 1: I think the benefit of being able to go out

1506
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,640
Speaker 1: and hunt. But you have to enjoy all of it,

1507
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: enjoy the experience. Yet, I mean, you can't honestly say,

1508
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 1: and I've said this before, it as I hunt to eat.

1509
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 1: That's true. I eat everything I hunt, and I love

1510
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 1: the fact that I don't have to go to the

1511
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 1: grocery store by red meat to feed in the family.

1512
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 1: We have it. But if you don't enjoy the whole

1513
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 1: process of the hunt or of hunting, then you're missing out.

1514
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 1: And when I say the whole process, I mean everything

1515
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:01,719
Speaker 1: this stuff that we're talking out is part of the process.

1516
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,080
Speaker 1: It's getting ready for a hunt. It's it could be

1517
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:07,559
Speaker 1: getting a bow ready, it could be scouting, it could

1518
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 1: be getting time off work, it could be convincing your

1519
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 1: wife that you can go on attendee hunt. Whatever it is,

1520
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,560
Speaker 1: it's the whole experience. And then then you have the

1521
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 1: hunt itself and you go through these you have these

1522
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:20,640
Speaker 1: experiences that we're talking about and they're the lows, but

1523
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,599
Speaker 1: don't like doesn't also get you, Like we're getting real

1524
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 1: deep down the rabbit hole now, but it doesn't get you.

1525
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: It gives your perspective possible or an arm or an

1526
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: armed deal, give fucking leprosy from this I'm talking about that.

1527
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,719
Speaker 1: I think it gives you perspective in your daily life.

1528
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 1: Like people I know that are that really are into

1529
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 1: hunting and into it for what I believe or like

1530
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 1: the most the right reasons, of the enriching reasons are

1531
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 1: people that have this, you know, incredibly pragmatic approach to life.

1532
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 1: Like you kind of see you can see a little bit.

1533
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 1: You can see the thin veneer of bullshit a lot

1534
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 1: of times because you have been in the situations where

1535
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 1: you work so hard for something and it's not a

1536
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 1: drive to the green that if you shank it in

1537
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 1: the weeds, nobody cares. It's not a race that you

1538
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 1: want are lost. It's not. It's just not. And and

1539
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 1: whether you know, people can make comparisons to other activities

1540
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,600
Speaker 1: that are leisure activities, which this at some level is

1541
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 1: it is um because we're not hungry. We're going hunting

1542
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:25,759
Speaker 1: people that can have a sandwich, but we're not starving,

1543
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 1: and like that's just the end result is serious, really

1544
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 1: serious in a lot of ways. So I don't know,

1545
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: and I think it's just when somebody's training very hard

1546
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 1: for the Olympics, it has a big impact on their

1547
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:44,679
Speaker 1: life and and an ancillery impact on the lives of others,

1548
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 1: but they're not they're not killing something. Well, yeah, I

1549
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 1: guess a good way to think about it. And when

1550
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 1: you just said what you said, it made me think

1551
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 1: about like you never you work a lot. You work

1552
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:58,560
Speaker 1: hard at a lot of things in your life, like

1553
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 1: a career, it could be your marriage, it could be

1554
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 1: being a good dad, like you work hard at different things,

1555
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 1: or being good at you know, a sport, but none

1556
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 1: of Like we work really hard and prepare and try

1557
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:14,760
Speaker 1: to prepare as best as we can so that we

1558
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 1: can take an animal's life. That's when we are what

1559
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 1: you know, success that we can talk about what levels

1560
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 1: of success a hunt can be if you don't kill

1561
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 1: some whatever. But like to to get to the point

1562
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 1: that we're trying to get and when we finally get

1563
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:33,600
Speaker 1: to that point. That's an animal time. That is the

1564
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: point we're trying to ye like like wait, hold on,

1565
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:39,639
Speaker 1: you just spent how much money and how much time

1566
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 1: shot all those arrows went to all these shoots all

1567
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 1: over the country, bought all this expensive equipment like something

1568
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 1: that to get to a point where you take something's life.

1569
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 1: I understand sometimes, like why people look at this sport

1570
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 1: if we if we don't do a good job of

1571
01:23:56,360 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 1: promoting and say, man, that's pretty messed up. Yeah. I

1572
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 1: get that too, Yeah, and I think I think it's

1573
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 1: mess They things messed up because of the reasons that

1574
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 1: you do it. That's why you're always talking about reasoning

1575
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 1: and we're talking about value systems. And I think that's

1576
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 1: why we're always talking about that stuff because god sakes,

1577
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 1: we're killing stuff like today that dough you shot, like

1578
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 1: she we watched the life fucking be gone from her eyes.

1579
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 1: We watched three lives. I mean watched them, not just

1580
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:29,679
Speaker 1: like came up on them. Yeah, we watched the whole

1581
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 1: watch like looking in their eyes to see when their

1582
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: eyes are dull instead of life, life, full of life,

1583
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 1: or like lifeless. Man, that's heavy. And if you're listen,

1584
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're messed up, but I'm saying if

1585
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 1: you're celebrating at that moment, like if you mean even

1586
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 1: cow stood over his buck and just kind of like

1587
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 1: looking at each other, like we weren't talking about the shot,

1588
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 1: which was amazing, or the fact that, yeah, Ryan Callahan

1589
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 1: shot him giant access buck with a long stick, which

1590
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 1: is amazing. And we were there, yeah, and we were

1591
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:07,599
Speaker 1: that's what we were there to do, and we were

1592
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 1: like that was what was laying on the ground dying

1593
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 1: was success and um like we didn't we weren't unpack

1594
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 1: and all that. We were just looking at this deer like,

1595
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 1: holy ship, this thing is dying at our feet. And

1596
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 1: that's not something to jump around about. It's not something

1597
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 1: too pumped your fist about. Something to just take in

1598
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 1: and at some levels learned from. But it's definitely not

1599
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: something that it's success. And like maybe the worst way,

1600
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: it's like we're reluctantly we just did this, but and

1601
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: we want to do it and we're happy we did it,

1602
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:50,559
Speaker 1: but this thing is dead now or it's dying, it's

1603
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 1: fucking sufferings. You know that's not good. We whitewashed that

1604
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 1: out of our minds when we go hunting, probably for

1605
01:25:58,320 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons, because it's a heavy thing that

1606
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 1: even talk about for me right now, um, and so

1607
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:07,639
Speaker 1: maybe we just ignore it for that reason. Yeah, I think,

1608
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:12,639
Speaker 1: I mean fortunately, like the way it usually goes down

1609
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 1: is you're shoot an animal from a hundred two hundred

1610
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: yards away with a rifle, or you shoot elk with

1611
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:21,720
Speaker 1: your bow at forty yards and they run off and

1612
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 1: die in the trees exactly exactly, and you don't I

1613
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: feel like we we talked about all the time that

1614
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 1: that that sucks sometimes, like I don't like to see

1615
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: that happened, Like I like to see the animal death.

1616
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 1: I don't want sometimes don't want to be there when

1617
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 1: it has has to happen. Right. Well, and think about

1618
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: I've taken new hunters. I think the one thing that's

1619
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:51,599
Speaker 1: consistent with new hunters, I've taken a few here recently

1620
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 1: took one young lady who we shot a havelina and

1621
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:56,560
Speaker 1: it was kicking around and all she could say to

1622
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 1: me was like, make stop, make stop, make stopping stop.

1623
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's you know, it's die, it's just nerves.

1624
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 1: It's dead. But that's that's it. That's death. Yeah, and

1625
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 1: if every time you ate a hamburg you had to

1626
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:10,560
Speaker 1: watch the fucking life go out of the eyes of

1627
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 1: the cow boy, hamburgers would taste different. Well you know

1628
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 1: that's I guess that's why I feel, uh such a

1629
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 1: responsibility with what we do is um we put When

1630
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: I say we put everything out there, how it's how

1631
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 1: it happens. I mean I take that pretty serious because

1632
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:35,680
Speaker 1: I think that's important. Like I think it's important not

1633
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 1: only for our audience, but I think it's important for

1634
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:42,719
Speaker 1: like my wife, my kids. Like my wife didn't understand hunting,

1635
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 1: like she grew up in a hunting family, her dad hunted,

1636
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,679
Speaker 1: her grandparents hunted. You know, we've been married for fourteen years,

1637
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 1: but she didn't understand like the seriousness that I take hunting,

1638
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 1: I guess until we started making these once. So I

1639
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 1: created the Hush Channel and started making these videos and

1640
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 1: then I would make her watch everything before I like

1641
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 1: upload and be like what seems cheesy? She should be

1642
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 1: like in tears, be like I didn't know this was

1643
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 1: what this was about. I didn't know how like emotional

1644
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 1: and like like not spiritual, but like she's like, man,

1645
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 1: I feel this, like I'll never do this, but I

1646
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 1: get I thought you said she she grew up in

1647
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 1: a hunting family and she didn't know it. Imagine when

1648
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 1: people growing up in non hunting families, they only hear

1649
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 1: bad things about it. Yeah, yeah, No, my brother is

1650
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: not a hunter. I don't think it's like an anti

1651
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 1: hundred's not to hunter. And he has problems with a

1652
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 1: lot of things that go on the hunting community. Like

1653
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 1: he's got on me shooting foxes before because I doesn't

1654
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 1: understand we're not eating those things. I don't understand it.

1655
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 1: And he went to Africa with me probably five years ago,

1656
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 1: and my dad was there. My dad and I grew

1657
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: up hunting together. My brother never went with us. And

1658
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 1: um my dad shoots his CUTO. I'm on the other

1659
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 1: side of this flat and I run over. My brothers

1660
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 1: with me. I run over. The cute is still alive.

1661
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:00,040
Speaker 1: My dad's like trying to get down the hill and

1662
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 1: load his gun, and I just look at him, and

1663
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 1: he just, you know, gives me a kind of like

1664
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 1: the shoot this thing. So I just walk up and

1665
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:09,639
Speaker 1: put my rifle on his neck and shoot. I didn't

1666
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:11,759
Speaker 1: be like, hey man, I'm gonna put it out. It's misery.

1667
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:17,639
Speaker 1: It's just like very mechanical just and reacting another round,

1668
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 1: you know, fist pump, my dad talking to the guide.

1669
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 1: Everybody's happy. There's qudo on the ground, and my brothers

1670
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 1: are crying on them, you know, like not crying, but

1671
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:31,600
Speaker 1: it's like tearing up on the hillside. And like, I

1672
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 1: just think he was expecting more reverence than for me

1673
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:38,639
Speaker 1: to just like charge up to it and just put

1674
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 1: a hole in and kill it. I think maybe he

1675
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 1: was expecting something different, but even at that time, I

1676
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:46,680
Speaker 1: wasn't raised to have like some different reaction than just

1677
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 1: to mechanically, robotically just see you. Um. And so I

1678
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 1: don't I think those things are good. I think I

1679
01:29:57,080 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 1: oftentimes like shooting an animal and I always thank you,

1680
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 1: But I ofttimes I think I'm just doing that because

1681
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 1: I think I need to do it. I'm not really

1682
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:08,719
Speaker 1: doing I'm just saying thank you because I like people

1683
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 1: are there and I want him to think that's what

1684
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,639
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, But I also think that I mean,

1685
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 1: I agree, I think a lot of times some things

1686
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:21,760
Speaker 1: are done be uh because of a camera that's on you,

1687
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:25,720
Speaker 1: or you know, if you never said a word to

1688
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 1: that animal and you're with this group MEU and cow like,

1689
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: I know that you appreciate that animal obviously, but we

1690
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 1: fall into that trap up with me and that's the

1691
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 1: right thing to do, you know. Yeah. And it's just

1692
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 1: like a lot of things we do that are just

1693
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 1: going through the options. Yeah, I was happy we experienced

1694
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 1: that today. Man, I'm happy I can look back on

1695
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 1: this hunt and say I'm happy about everything I've experienced,

1696
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 1: like the ups of the downs. Like, man, just learning

1697
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:55,839
Speaker 1: about the access here has been there's been the highlight

1698
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 1: of the trip. Not the highlight of the trip, but

1699
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:01,719
Speaker 1: it's been worth the trip, just being like everyone always

1700
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:03,680
Speaker 1: wants to know, like how how how can I be

1701
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 1: a better elk hunter? How can I be a better

1702
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:08,600
Speaker 1: deer hunter? Go spend time with the animals, Go be

1703
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 1: with them. That's why this is Like you want some

1704
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 1: spot and stock training, Oh my goodness, you want to

1705
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 1: you want some mid season Like if you're an elk

1706
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:18,720
Speaker 1: hunter and you you get one chance a year to

1707
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 1: go hunt, and you get one or two shots, and

1708
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 1: you're just wondering, like how could I train for this?

1709
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 1: Look up Canyon Ranch, Canyon Ranch. Agree. I used to

1710
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 1: tell people that all the time about about Kyot hunting,

1711
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 1: Like why do you like, what's the purpose of kia hunting.

1712
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 1: It's like, well, I feel like we need to, you know,

1713
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:41,680
Speaker 1: manage the predator population obviously in certain areas, and um

1714
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 1: to like, if you want to become efficient with a weapon,

1715
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 1: especially a rifle, go use it a lot in real

1716
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 1: life situations, like trying to get on a running coyote

1717
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 1: if you're calling him in, or trying to stock and

1718
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 1: access buck with your bow, or even learning how to

1719
01:31:56,520 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 1: shoot out. I don't sit many blinds. I've tried. I've

1720
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:02,720
Speaker 1: never been successful. And when I say try, I mean

1721
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:05,640
Speaker 1: for elk or for deer. Man. I learned how to

1722
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 1: sit a blind and what to do and how to

1723
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 1: build a when to draw and yeah, when to draw

1724
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:10,680
Speaker 1: not to draw, Like if you want to get it

1725
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:13,720
Speaker 1: better or something, do it a lot. Yeah, no, for sure,

1726
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 1: And and this these these are opportunities to do that.

1727
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 1: And then you know, in the same way, you're just

1728
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 1: out there thinking, you know, this isn't training, but this is.

1729
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 1: It's there's so many deer, and they're so they were

1730
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:31,479
Speaker 1: so predictable. When this heat and we were coming down,

1731
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 1: they were like, man, this hundred grees is gonna be tough,

1732
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, this is good because we can

1733
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 1: get in between the thing they need and and where

1734
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 1: they're headed and just get right in between them and there.

1735
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:42,280
Speaker 1: And I'll keep coming to it because they have to

1736
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:45,120
Speaker 1: and that's what we will, well what we encounter, and

1737
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 1: you just don't. That's just not often the case. And uh,

1738
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:50,680
Speaker 1: you could go on with a lot of meat. You

1739
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 1: come to a cool place like this and give a

1740
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 1: bunch of chicker bytes. Yeah, I mean, I don't think

1741
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:57,400
Speaker 1: I could if I wanted you. I gotta stop issuing

1742
01:32:57,439 --> 01:33:04,600
Speaker 1: those things. Man, Oh my god, yourself. I can't not.

1743
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:08,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna put oven miss on the driveall. I can'tnot

1744
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 1: not In some that makes sense. Now, it's been Yeah,

1745
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:13,760
Speaker 1: this has been I mean every hunt I look back

1746
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 1: on and I'm just grateful U for the opportunity to

1747
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 1: be able to go out and do it one but

1748
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 1: for to the experiences I've learned. And we didn't really

1749
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 1: dive into it. We kind of got a little deep.

1750
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:27,720
Speaker 1: But man, I tell people all the time, like some

1751
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:29,960
Speaker 1: of the most important lessons I've learned in life has

1752
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:31,679
Speaker 1: been out in the I've been out in the woods,

1753
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 1: been doing something that you know, you go through something

1754
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 1: hunting and you miss an animal, and you know, you

1755
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:42,600
Speaker 1: start thinking about things and you're like, oh, well that

1756
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,680
Speaker 1: really applies to me being a dad or me being

1757
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:48,960
Speaker 1: a better husband. Like I get I get this because

1758
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 1: of I had this experience out in the woods. Like

1759
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:54,080
Speaker 1: might sound cheesy, but it's true. It's a hundred percent true.

1760
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 1: And I tell my wife this all the time, and

1761
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,839
Speaker 1: she gets it now after we're watching some re visions,

1762
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 1: Like I get it, Like it's not just about being

1763
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 1: out there and shooting an animal and bringing meat home

1764
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 1: so we can have steaks and you know, on the

1765
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:09,559
Speaker 1: on the grill, it's a it's a spiritual I don't

1766
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 1: I'd like to use that word because whatever spirit you

1767
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:16,679
Speaker 1: know you want to believe in or whatever, Like people

1768
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 1: feel different spirituality levels, but it's a very emotional spiritual

1769
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:26,080
Speaker 1: like powerful thing taking a life. Yeah. And I think we,

1770
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 1: you know, we spent a lot of time this week

1771
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 1: drinking beers around the table talking about like our frustrations

1772
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 1: with things um and what we see in others and

1773
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 1: hunting that we don't necessarily enjoy. And I think we

1774
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:39,960
Speaker 1: do that because you get to that level where you

1775
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:42,800
Speaker 1: are so invested in you have his experiences, and you

1776
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 1: see people that you'd like to say, like, hey, man,

1777
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:48,400
Speaker 1: if you just didn't worry about that buck being thirty

1778
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 1: five inches and over, you know, what are you here

1779
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 1: to do. I'm here to get a thirty five inch

1780
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:56,080
Speaker 1: over access buck. Like, well, bro, you want to miss

1781
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 1: a lot, you might get that thirty six inchure. You

1782
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:02,040
Speaker 1: might put it on your all. People might say, well,

1783
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 1: tell me a story about that, and it'll be a

1784
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:08,800
Speaker 1: pretty short one. Well, the same things like I'm just

1785
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 1: here to shoot a couple of met animals. Man, there's

1786
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:16,400
Speaker 1: more more. There's more than that. And so I think

1787
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 1: that our frustration has probably just come from this is like, man,

1788
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 1: we got something really awesome here. You're doing the same

1789
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 1: thing we're doing. Well, we're doing different things. That makes

1790
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 1: any sense at all, Like if we're out there hunting,

1791
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 1: we're both hunting, but we're not both doing same thing. Well,

1792
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:35,479
Speaker 1: I would say that like this, like if you're chasing

1793
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:41,760
Speaker 1: a number, uh, you will never feel satisfied. I don't

1794
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:45,840
Speaker 1: think because numbers there's always a bigger number, right. Oh yeah,

1795
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 1: It's like when I tell people about like I didn't

1796
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 1: make any decision to do YouTube full time instead of

1797
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:53,080
Speaker 1: work at the steel mill anymore. And they're like, well,

1798
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:55,240
Speaker 1: how can I do that? It's like, why do you

1799
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:57,599
Speaker 1: want to do that? Why do you want to create

1800
01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 1: content and whatever content that might be, Well, I want

1801
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:02,920
Speaker 1: to make make money. It's like, if you're chasing money, man,

1802
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:05,759
Speaker 1: you'll never satisfy because you can always make more money.

1803
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:08,240
Speaker 1: Make a million dollars, I want to make two million dollars.

1804
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 1: But if you do it in a purpose because you're

1805
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 1: passionate about it, Like that's where I think all the

1806
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:16,960
Speaker 1: money in the world, Like it doesn't matter if you

1807
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,840
Speaker 1: have all the money in the world or good good

1808
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 1: phrase I've I just heard recently is if money wasn't

1809
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:26,799
Speaker 1: an object, money didn't matter, you didn't need money to strive,

1810
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 1: would you be doing what you're doing right now currently?

1811
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:34,719
Speaker 1: If you can say yes, then I think honest with yourself,

1812
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:38,000
Speaker 1: like and you can say yeah, I'm successful. Same thing

1813
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:40,600
Speaker 1: with honey, Like if you're just chasing to shoot a

1814
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, I think about elk and deer. That's because

1815
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:44,559
Speaker 1: that's where I what I have, where I grew up.

1816
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 1: But you want to shoot a two commune or a

1817
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 1: fo bowl, because then you'll be satisfied. You shoot one

1818
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:52,720
Speaker 1: and I guess what, there's a four ten out there

1819
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 1: somebody just shot. I know some people very well, and

1820
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:57,040
Speaker 1: if I said their name, is a lot of people

1821
01:36:57,040 --> 01:37:00,320
Speaker 1: everybody with who I'm talking about, Yeah, that are like

1822
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:02,840
Speaker 1: I have to everywhere I go, I have to shoot

1823
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 1: a boon and crack of the animal, like in the

1824
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:07,920
Speaker 1: in their things to travel around the world and having

1825
01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:09,760
Speaker 1: to like that's the goal is to get twenty seven

1826
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:12,320
Speaker 1: number how many ever of them there are. These are

1827
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:14,759
Speaker 1: not bad people, and they're very good hunters and conscience

1828
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:17,320
Speaker 1: of hunters. They're not bad people, but this thing is

1829
01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 1: shifted for them does something different. But if you're not

1830
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 1: enjoying the process of it, and you're not passionate about

1831
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:26,720
Speaker 1: the process, and that's I think that's an important thing.

1832
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:29,760
Speaker 1: If you're not passionate about everything it takes to be

1833
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:33,200
Speaker 1: a hunter, then you're missing it. You're missing a big

1834
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:36,160
Speaker 1: portion of it anyways. And the same thing with eating meat,

1835
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 1: like you said, man, like, if you're just going out

1836
01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:41,519
Speaker 1: for to kill an animal to eat it, like you're

1837
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:43,720
Speaker 1: missing a big part of it. You are. You are

1838
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 1: And that's why always said, like those things are byproducts

1839
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:50,720
Speaker 1: of hunting, meat and antlers and conservation or all things

1840
01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:52,679
Speaker 1: we talked about. But they're all just like these things

1841
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:56,200
Speaker 1: that happen as a result of hunting, like they just

1842
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:59,719
Speaker 1: happened as a result of hunting. Hunting is the process

1843
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:02,280
Speaker 1: that leads to those results, but it isn't those results

1844
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:05,479
Speaker 1: in and of itself, Like those things are separate. And uh,

1845
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 1: you know, we come here, we learn about ticks, We

1846
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:10,200
Speaker 1: learn about these things we want to learn about rather

1847
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:13,120
Speaker 1: not know about that damn it list about armadillos. We

1848
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 1: should say again, armadillo's give you leprosy. Leprosy people, if

1849
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna gets don't know what leprosy idiots read the Bible,

1850
01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 1: stop playing with larmadillos. You see you on the side

1851
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 1: of the road, swerve and hit it and chiggers. Man,

1852
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:29,160
Speaker 1: I am, I will go home. I feel like I'm

1853
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 1: pretty confident I'm gonna go back to Idaho and be

1854
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:38,639
Speaker 1: one of maybe a few that know about the lone

1855
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:42,280
Speaker 1: star tick and know about what chigger bites feel like,

1856
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 1: and know about leprosy. Next spring turkey season, Idaho, You'll

1857
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:50,040
Speaker 1: be like, there no jiggers here. I'm gonna Yeah, this

1858
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:53,519
Speaker 1: place is awesome. Pants will be optional next year. Yeah,

1859
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:56,360
Speaker 1: you're just gonna you'll still have the scars from your

1860
01:38:56,400 --> 01:39:00,240
Speaker 1: current chiggers, you know. I'm like, they're terrible. Well, we

1861
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:02,280
Speaker 1: were getting all deep and have this conversations. Case He's

1862
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 1: over here just scratching his legs and I'm glad you

1863
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:10,880
Speaker 1: don't videotape this. I don't just this, this doesn't belong. Well,

1864
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:12,639
Speaker 1: I don't guess you can't because I haven't been wearing

1865
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 1: pants this whole time. I'm wearing two pairs of pants.

1866
01:39:17,479 --> 01:39:21,680
Speaker 1: Then put my pants on because he thought, Yeah, like

1867
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna be wearing these things. Casey, I was gonna

1868
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:27,800
Speaker 1: ask you to close it out. I was thinking about,

1869
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:29,800
Speaker 1: like asking about what's the one thing you would tell

1870
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 1: people that want to do what you do, which is

1871
01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 1: of course get hushing the YouTube channel content channel um

1872
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:41,799
Speaker 1: that follows you guys around in your lives and outdoors.

1873
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 1: But is there one thing? I mean, I think you

1874
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 1: maybe already said it, but is there something that because

1875
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:53,080
Speaker 1: you made the jump from a nine job that wasn't

1876
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:56,040
Speaker 1: your passion, to chase your passion. And a lot of

1877
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 1: people do this and fails, some succeed, But I think

1878
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 1: they're the outliers, are the one a succeed because it's tough.

1879
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:05,760
Speaker 1: Is there something that you would just say if you know,

1880
01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:08,680
Speaker 1: if you do this, you'll win, If you do this,

1881
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:12,800
Speaker 1: you'll you'll be happy. Yeah. I mean there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of things I could do, a lot of things I

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Speaker 1: would like to say. But if there was one thing

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Speaker 1: that I could tell you that would help you become successful,

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Speaker 1: is do it for This is gonna be a cliche.

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Speaker 1: Anything I can say it and it's gonna be cliche,

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01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:27,960
Speaker 1: but like, do it for the right reason. And you

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01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:29,800
Speaker 1: have to figure out what the right reason is because

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01:40:30,360 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 1: once again, if you're doing it to make money or

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Speaker 1: if you're doing it to become I hate this word famous,

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01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:41,240
Speaker 1: then you will you can never reach that because that's

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Speaker 1: only an opinion like oh yeah I'm rich, Like what's

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01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:47,280
Speaker 1: rich anymore? And you'll always be chasing money. But do

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Speaker 1: it because you're passionate about what you're creating. And if

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Speaker 1: you do it that, If you do that, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter how many people watch, it doesn't how many use

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Speaker 1: you get, it doesn't matter how many brand brands want

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Speaker 1: to work with you. If you're doing it because you

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Speaker 1: love the content, you're creating and you're passionate about it.

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Speaker 1: You win, you're successful, and you will create better content

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Speaker 1: because you're passionate. And often a whole lot of money

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Speaker 1: ruins that passion. I say that a lot. Can you

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Speaker 1: edit out? Like we're going to add him in? I

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Speaker 1: said it probably twenty eight times, at least cut for

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Speaker 1: fourteen of them out. I'm gonna be like, hey, Case,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna just dub it in chat? Do you like

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01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:30,880
Speaker 1: those chicker ritescent? There's probably things that I say a

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01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:34,719
Speaker 1: lot when you do this. I listened to Jurgen's podcast

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01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:37,560
Speaker 1: but every day, and there's things he says that you

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Speaker 1: just said you want to say, Man, hey, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: when you talk for a little bits that what is

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Speaker 1: brains not big enough? Told them too many. When I'm

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Speaker 1: on a camera, it's different. I don't know why. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I can see my mouth movie because I'm usually watching

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Speaker 1: what I'm what I'm filming. But when I'm on these

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Speaker 1: podcasts and you guys don't film them like I've been

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Speaker 1: on a couple an go back and listen to him,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, man, people, I feel like ming podcast is fine,

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Speaker 1: but it just makes you a little bit more aware.

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Speaker 1: Like you're aware of your movements. Like we're literally just

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01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:12,200
Speaker 1: sitting in like a kind of dumpy little room. Hey,

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Speaker 1: this was my room for the last three days. It's nice.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's just random. It's like a like a

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Speaker 1: nine eighties. It's kind of like maybe if like before

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Speaker 1: Scarface got rich. You know, there's like some very ornate

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Speaker 1: photos of wildlife. I just noticed there's a picture of

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Speaker 1: a very poorly drawn cheetah behind you, and behind that's

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01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 1: a picture of very portant lion and then a zebra.

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Speaker 1: They have gold uh, and there's like a candle labra.

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Speaker 1: There's a candle labara on the wall that looks like

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Speaker 1: it might have come off like the set of like

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Speaker 1: The First Night. You remember that movie where it was

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Speaker 1: like because Richard Gere was a Sir Lancelot. So this

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Speaker 1: there a little candle labara that came from that set.

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Speaker 1: And then there's a dirty empty a fireplace. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: just you know what's funny, it's I haven't noticed a

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Speaker 1: lot of these things about this room, and now I'm

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Speaker 1: looking around, I'm like this, you clearly have some sort

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01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 1: of tick fever that Yeah, I've been preoccupied with my

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Speaker 1: sugar bites on my legs, I guess anyway, that's it.

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Speaker 1: That's all. That's all I have to say. Thanks man,

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Speaker 1: this is a fun week. Oh man, I I I.

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Speaker 1: All I can say is thank you, thanks for inviting

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Speaker 1: me to come down here. Yeah, I've had an absolute flash.

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Speaker 1: You're you're gonna like you know, we try to get

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Speaker 1: out and hunt with with all of our sponsors at

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Speaker 1: least once a year, and uh, this is our second hunt,

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Speaker 1: and I hope we continue to do more because do

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Speaker 1: you I hunt. I've hunting with a lot of people

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Speaker 1: in my life and uh, you know there's some people

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Speaker 1: that you choose to hunt with. You're not one of them.

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01:43:41,160 --> 01:43:44,760
Speaker 1: So I just want to You're a piece of ship. No.

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Speaker 1: It's the funny thing is and I made a post

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Speaker 1: about this a while back, like, I feel like the

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Speaker 1: best way for me to get to know somebody is

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Speaker 1: to take him out to do something you love, right,

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01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:59,479
Speaker 1: that's honey, and we both love that for me. We

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01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:02,040
Speaker 1: met know Brian and Ben O'Brien works for Eddie and

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Speaker 1: so you know, he was our contact with Yeddie and Unities,

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Speaker 1: one of our sponsors, and and we've been working together

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Speaker 1: for a couple of years and it was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: let's go, Let's take Ben O'Brien out from Eddie on

1963
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Speaker 1: this deer hunt we do every year. And in my head,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Ben's cool, but man, I think he's pretty

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Speaker 1: like serious, Like I don't know how a hell of

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Speaker 1: fit in because that's the one thing I think, who notices,

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01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:28,360
Speaker 1: you know when if we're out creating content, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be laughing most of the time, and I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: trying to make other people laugh. So I was like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know Ben, Like what if Ben comes on

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Speaker 1: this hunts like, those guys are just they're having way

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01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:42,120
Speaker 1: too much. It's bad for the industry. You guys are

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01:44:42,120 --> 01:44:44,720
Speaker 1: having fun you're not supposed to. Anyways, we go out

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Speaker 1: and uh, we quickly learned that Ben is us to

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Speaker 1: a t. Ben likes to laugh and have fun, take

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01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:54,720
Speaker 1: it serious, but not too serious. And so anyway, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you invite me down. I hope I hope we

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Speaker 1: can do some more hunts um in the near future.

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Speaker 1: In the near future. By later that's it. It's over,

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Speaker 1: episode number fourteen. In the books, I want to really

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Speaker 1: thank Casey for joined me, not only on the hunt,

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Speaker 1: in Texas, but on the podcast as well. There was

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Speaker 1: a goal of mine have him and his crew on

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Speaker 1: when we first started doing this, and I'm glad we

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Speaker 1: were able to do it for episode number fourteen. My

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Speaker 1: big takeaway from this one is just here's a man

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Speaker 1: who followed his dream. Here's a man who was working

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Speaker 1: at nine to five and saw an avenue to live

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Speaker 1: a different lifestyle and a different wife for his family

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Speaker 1: and took it and and he caught his dream. And

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Speaker 1: I think he's living it right now. And super proud

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Speaker 1: to know him. I'm proud to call him a friend,

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Speaker 1: Casey Butler. Hopefully you guys, if you're not already, will

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Speaker 1: follow those guys at get Hushing, follow their adventures to

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Speaker 1: find him on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram and all that fun stuff. Well,

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Speaker 1: we're as most of you know who are regular listeners. Um,

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Speaker 1: I heard from a lot of you. We took a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a break. It wasn't that long of

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Speaker 1: a break, a couple of weeks after our Leni trip

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Speaker 1: um in suffice to say, there's a lot of big

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Speaker 1: things coming for the Honey Collective after Episodember fourteen. I'm

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Speaker 1: planning on expanding, planning on bringing new types of content,

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Speaker 1: and I think we have a pretty exciting way to

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Speaker 1: do that in the future, and so we make it

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Speaker 1: some announcements in the next few weeks and months that

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Speaker 1: starts to detail what we want to do and we

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Speaker 1: have the engines. After what I really would consider fantastically

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Speaker 1: successful first thirteen episodes, a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 1: folks listened. I was able to get my feet under me.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I made a lot of mistakes, did a

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Speaker 1: lot of things wrong, but um, I'm glad some of

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Speaker 1: this is resonated with folks, and and I really am

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Speaker 1: thankful for each and every one of you that writes

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Speaker 1: in it says good things or you know, with with

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Speaker 1: criticisms as well. I think all those things are healthy

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate every word. That's really Until the Next Time,

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Speaker 1: Episode number fifteen will be joined by Ryan Callahan, first

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Speaker 1: light second appearance on the podcast. He was also on

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Speaker 1: Our Hunt, and we did a separate uh interview with

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Speaker 1: him just to kind of get his feelings thoughts both

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Speaker 1: on them Our Time and Sonora, but just how he

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Speaker 1: does things and then those of you, though Mr Callahan

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Speaker 1: knows those things are unique. So until then, the Hunting

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Speaker 1: Collective dot com. We'll have all the notes from this episode, articles, videos,

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Speaker 1: and all kinds of other stuff. But each of our

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Speaker 1: past episodes, including Steve and Ronnella, including all Marcus, including

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Speaker 1: our l and I recap with Sam Sohole. You have

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Speaker 1: guys like man, there's so many of them, it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's hard to say Shane Mahoney. Let's put Shane Mahoney

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Speaker 1: out there. I stumble over my words on that one,

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Speaker 1: but we'll keep it in there because there's just so

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Speaker 1: many so much to think about, so much conversation, so

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Speaker 1: many words. I'm glad they were all recorded. So I

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Speaker 1: quit Babylin for this terribly long exit, but we are gone.

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Speaker 1: Episode of fourteen of the Books. See you next time,