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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we've never watched game film

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Speaker 1: with Matt Aberflus either. I'm Greg Rosenthal and I'm talking

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Speaker 1: to my friend JP Acosta of sp Nation, and Jp,

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Speaker 1: you made a mistake. You did too awesome of a

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Speaker 1: job last time. You're a fan favorite of the listeners

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Speaker 1: of NFL Daily, so I asked you back real quick,

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Speaker 1: and I'm talking Eberflus because we're talking coaches today. We're

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Speaker 1: going to rank the best coaches in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I hope you're ready.

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Speaker 3: I'm ready. I'm ready for it.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Matt Eberflus will not be on this list, but

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Speaker 2: I think his beard should be an honorable mm.

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Speaker 1: I know it feels like kicking a guy when he's

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Speaker 1: down to call him out. He's a very good defensive coordinator,

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Speaker 1: and his defense in Chicago had an identity and he

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Speaker 1: got it going. So that's one thing I look for

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Speaker 1: in a coaching staff and a head coach especially. I

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Speaker 1: think he'll be good in Dallas. But he's actually someone

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about. And I'm referring to the article

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Speaker 1: that Seth Wickersham wrote about Caleb Williams is actually an

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Speaker 1: excerpt from his book we'll mention that maybe a little later,

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Speaker 1: but just that he was just all.

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Speaker 2: On an island.

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Speaker 1: No one was watching game film with him. And just

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Speaker 1: thinking about Eberflus makes me think about if we did

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Speaker 1: this exercise a year ago right now, I think there'd

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Speaker 1: be more obvious guys at the bottom. And so that

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Speaker 1: was my overarching thought. We're not going to rank the

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Speaker 1: first time head coaches just because it seems silly, But

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Speaker 1: me and you were gonna go back and forth making

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Speaker 1: there's four first time head coaches, and so we're not

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Speaker 1: gonna mess with with Kellen Moore. It's like, what are

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Speaker 1: we gonna do ranking him? But Mike Rabel, Pete Carroll

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Speaker 1: like they're up for grabs because they've been head coaches before.

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Speaker 1: And my thought was, like, the coaches are pretty they're fine.

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Speaker 1: Like I feel bad for whoever gets ranked twentieth to

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Speaker 1: bad coaches. I think in general, my overarching statement is

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Speaker 1: the coaches are fine. There's not as big a difference

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Speaker 1: you think there's a few bad coaches usually, and actually

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Speaker 1: I think right now, like there's not that many.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this.

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Speaker 2: I guess who can call it parody among coaching ranks

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Speaker 2: like it? There's a lot of balance around the league,

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Speaker 2: and I think some of it is due to all

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Speaker 2: there's sort of every coaching tree has its own like

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Speaker 2: across the league, like you said, like you said among

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Speaker 2: coaching staffs that it made ranking this really hard because,

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Speaker 2: like like you said, going to like the into the twenties,

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Speaker 1: Why they seem like good coaches even whoever's going to

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Speaker 1: be around ten to twelve.

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Speaker 2: We'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: I have long had a theory which I would probably

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Speaker 1: tweak now, but it was it was mostly that there's

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Speaker 1: It's just like it's about the players, and it's still

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Speaker 1: always about the players, but that there's a big middle

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Speaker 1: gonna do, like I said, we're gonna rank them in

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Speaker 1: a unique way. It's basically like a draft, but it'll

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Speaker 1: end up being a ranking where we just go back

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Speaker 1: and forth, taking who we think the best coaches left

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Speaker 1: for everything that they've done or even what's going to

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Speaker 1: That's their track record that informs your pick. So I

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Speaker 1: curious who would be your number one coach. So I

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the way I kind of thought about this

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Speaker 3: I think Andy.

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Speaker 2: Reid is still the best coach in the NFL. I

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Speaker 3: And then lateral it behind him in a way that

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Speaker 2: Think any other coach in football we don't even have

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Speaker 2: But Andy Reid gives his players this freedom to kind

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Speaker 1: I agree he's got everything that you would look for

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Speaker 1: now if it was for the next ten years. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: my number one because a he builds a great coaching staff,

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Speaker 1: he was the second most important, maybe the most important,

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Speaker 1: he never stopped evolving. And now that he's won all

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Speaker 1: I think he's grown in that aspect, how he manages people,

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Speaker 1: We've seen him do it with different quarterbacks. We've seen

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Speaker 1: So it was close to the next handful of picks.

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Speaker 3: I think that point about evolution is so important.

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Speaker 2: We talk about Sean McVay because it's important to remember

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Speaker 2: they he's still thirty nine years old, like crazy like,

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Speaker 1: Thinking about sixty seven and those are the two guys,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's insane that we think about coaches that we

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Speaker 2: about Sean McVay and this conversation. But that constant evolution,

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Speaker 2: think of Sean McVay, and to see it more from

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Speaker 2: lot more like power counter duo. The way that they've

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Speaker 2: with the body types that they add in. You have

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Speaker 2: to have a lot of trust in your head coach

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Speaker 2: to not only implement that and get to it ahead

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Speaker 2: McVeigh is. I had him at number two as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, too much agreeing, and that's a good call about developing,

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Speaker 2: My number three, I I kind of parody myself here,

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Speaker 2: but my number three is Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 3: I love Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 2: I love everything that he stands for, everything that he

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Speaker 2: has morphed this Lion's team into. When I was talking

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Speaker 2: from the floor up, the first guy I thought of,

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Speaker 2: his ability to instill a culture. And I know culture

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Speaker 2: But all the players in Detroit believe in Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 2: They have a faith in him no matter what he does.

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Speaker 2: I think he stays on the front foot when it

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Speaker 2: comes to aggressiveness with fourth down calls, with the timeout usage.

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Speaker 2: And I also don't think he gets a lot of

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Speaker 2: Ben Johnson was not his original offensive coordinator. Higher he

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Speaker 3: So I think Dan Campbell's awesome.

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Speaker 2: You can see the passion and the emphasis all his

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Speaker 2: something that I think if I'm building a franchise from

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Speaker 3: I want that juice in my room.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've had the exact same ranking so far. Game

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Speaker 1: management is something that I didn't point out with you

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Speaker 1: know McVeigh or even read because I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: Campbell just nailed it when he got that job. He

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Speaker 2: So I actually I had him in my top seven. Okay,

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Speaker 3: It was insane.

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Speaker 1: I thought a lot about staffing too, and like they

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Speaker 2: This is number five, So I'm going between two right now,

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Speaker 2: scares me sometimes. I remember saying it all the Shanahan

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Speaker 2: wisdom when it comes to game management. But Shanahan's ability

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Speaker 3: You know, he found Mike McDaniel.

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Speaker 2: there's always been like the well Kyle Shanahan get traded

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Speaker 1: Yeah, their question with him, he was next on my

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Speaker 1: In terms of he might be the best play color.

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Speaker 1: He's won multiple playoff games in four of his eight seasons,

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Speaker 1: But then I would realize that we would have taken

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Speaker 1: But he's done it with two quarterbacks. He's done it

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Speaker 2: I think John Harbaugh is one of the faces of

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Speaker 3: It's something that has to be commended.

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Speaker 2: So I'm a big fan of John Harbaugh still as

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Speaker 1: How he manages people is really important to me. I'll

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Speaker 2: What are we at? Number seven?

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Speaker 2: I'm going back to the unction. I'm going Sean Payton.

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Speaker 2: And Okay, I think this past year with how he

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Speaker 2: I think the position coaches that he hires are really good,

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Speaker 2: think the vance Joseph like just kind of lett advance

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Speaker 2: It's something that I really appreciate, and I think that's

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00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,199
Speaker 2: something that's going to really kind of despite his age,

438
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,120
Speaker 2: I would still want him as like in a one

439
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 2: game sample size, I would still.

440
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 1: Sure, or even a one season I look, I thought

441
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 1: going into last year, I'll admit I was wrong about

442
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 1: the Broncos and I thought he was giving some parcels

443
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 1: vibes that it was getting towards the end, and you know,

444
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,119
Speaker 1: maybe he's not as detail oriented at as he was

445
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 1: with the Saints, because that's one thing you always heard

446
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 1: about the Saints and the second he left, like you

447
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 1: saw the difference, like he sees the whole picture. He

448
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 1: he like the way their teams drill and situational football

449
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 1: and not making mistakes and line play and obviously quarterback play.

450
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 1: He really makes it happen. You have to give him credit,

451
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,679
Speaker 1: like the way he could win games without Drew Brees

452
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 1: after he left. Like to me, was impressed in the

453
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 1: impressive the way he's done it with Nick. I think

454
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 1: you get a little bit of drama if we were

455
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 1: in this hypothetical world. We're ranking, we're not pretending we're

456
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 1: NFL owners and giving us billions of dollars in our pocket.

457
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 1: I would be as an owner a little like more

458
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: anxious about Sean Payton because I think there might be

459
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 1: like a little bit more like drama behind the scenes

460
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: and some he's like a little bit of a diva

461
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: maybe compared to some of these other coaches. But you

462
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 1: know what, He's earned it, so he wasn't too far

463
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:10,679
Speaker 1: down my leay.

464
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 2: He was only a couple more down my lists. So

465
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 2: I like that.

466
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: I'm going Matt Lafluir now since I didn't last time.

467
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 1: Like he's sixty seven and thirty three as a head coach.

468
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: His worst season as a head coach is eight wins.

469
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 1: He obviously can work with different types of quarterbacks and

470
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 1: kind of make the system work to you. The Malik

471
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 1: Willis couple games was just like awesome and showed his

472
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: like was a way for him to flex, but didn't

473
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 1: surprise me just because of the way that I saw

474
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: him improve Aaron Rodgers, the way Jordan Love came out

475
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: as a pro in terms of as a starter. I

476
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: don't know if he like I just said, Sean Payton

477
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: like really sees the whole picture in a way that

478
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 1: maybe no other coaches. I think that was probably a

479
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 1: shortcoming for Lafleur, like when he started and he doesn't

480
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 1: need to be the GM or anything in Green Bay,

481
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,959
Speaker 1: and he doesn't, you know, it's not all about relationships.

482
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: But I think he's grown into that kind of like mcvagh.

483
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 1: Not as high level as Sean McVay, but I think

484
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 1: he's a better coach than he was when he started out.

485
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: So he's giving you that schematic advantage. I think he's

486
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 1: been through some wards and man, he's won a lot.

487
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 2: That stretch where Jordan Love was hurt and Malik Willis

488
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,719
Speaker 2: played is some of the best coaching I thint of

489
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 2: the season. And just not only were they able to

490
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 2: hold water offensively, they were still generating explosives in the

491
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 2: run game. They were having like they were running like

492
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 2: darn near like Paul Johnson, like triple option stuff at

493
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech in the NFL.

494
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 3: And I thought that ruled I would.

495
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 2: I love Matt Lafleur's design and play calling offensively, he

496
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 2: was one of the guys I was thinking about picking.

497
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: But I think a little bit of my shortcomings with

498
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: him comes from the game management. I still think that

499
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 2: kind of Again, he's the Shanahan McVay tree where you

500
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 2: spend all the points in drawn plays and really nice

501
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 2: edge ups when it comes to the beard. But I

502
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 2: think the game, the game management still has to improve.

503
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 2: But like you said, if it's a one game or

504
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: one season sample size I'm taking, I would really like

505
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: Matt m Floor as my head coach.

506
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he also maybe hung on to his defensive coordinator

507
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 1: too long before you know, I was. I was rewarding

508
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: some coaches for making a switch. Is that entirely his

509
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: decision or not?

510
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: I don't know.

511
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: It depends on the organization. But look, he's he's kind

512
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: of established as himself as a guy. All right, JP,

513
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 1: you are up next with the ninth best coaching.

514
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm trying to decide between the unction again,

515
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 2: are going to a new generation? I'm gonna take a

516
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: swing here. I'm gonna go with Demico Ryans.

517
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: He was next on mine too. Man, we were two

518
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: on board the same way.

519
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 2: I had to Miko Ryans on this list, and it's

520
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 2: sort of it was sort of contingent last season on

521
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 2: what would he do with Bobby Slow? It because that

522
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 2: offense just completely sputtered out. It looked like slow. It

523
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 2: could kind of run out of answers with that offense,

524
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: and the offensive line play was god awful as we

525
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 2: all saw. But Demiko Ryan showing that ability to self

526
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 2: scout and go all right, this isn't working, we got

527
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: to get him out of here was a really big

528
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: feather in his cap. But I also think the big

529
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: thing is just how he's managed and grown that defense.

530
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 2: That defense is still incredibly young, but could be one

531
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 2: of the best defenses in the league this upcoming season.

532
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 3: And again I'm a big fan of.

533
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 2: You see the passion and the energy that the guys

534
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 2: play with because of him, because of that growth and

535
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 2: that faith that he puts in a lot of those

536
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 2: young guys on the team. Like this, I think the

537
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 2: Texans being good so quickly his sort of mass fact

538
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 2: that they are still a very young team, sort of

539
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: like with Matt Lafor's Packers. They've been the youngest team

540
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: in the NFL for the last couple of years, but

541
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 2: the Texans are right behind them. So I think what

542
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: Tamiko has done with such a young team so quickly

543
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: makes him my pick here over guys who might be

544
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 2: a little older, who done it more. But I'm taking

545
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 2: a swing on Demico and what he's able to do.

546
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: Yeah to me as as a prospect as a choice

547
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 1: in this draft, and I had him in exactly in

548
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 1: this spot. Actually, you're taking a bigger swing, you know.

549
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of like who he would be

550
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: as a prospect that like, maybe there's some downside like

551
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: a Drake may or something like that, but he's got

552
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: every tool that you want in two years. Look, he's

553
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: won a playoff game in each year with a team

554
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: that the three years previous to him coaching there had

555
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: won to combine ten games, So I do think that matters.

556
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 1: Now he's only had two years, but he combines what

557
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: we've liked about a lot of these top coaches, especially

558
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: like a McVeigh. To me, I think he has that

559
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 1: sort of ceiling where I think he kind of can

560
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: be a culture unto itself. I don't think he's getting

561
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: involved in the front office as much. But he's also

562
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: providing a schematic advantage and that's really important for me

563
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: if I'm going to pick a defensive guy, because there's

564
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: only so many defensive guys that you can see their

565
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: imprint and it's consistent. Defense is less consistent in general,

566
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: and you've seen it as a coordinator and now you've

567
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: seen it as a head coach. That is a demico

568
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,959
Speaker 1: Ryan's defense, and he got them going right away. His

569
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: game management is definitely a downside of where he's at,

570
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: So you hope that he gets better. But I admit

571
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm being a little ageist here and I think you

572
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 1: are too in that with like the tie went to

573
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: the young guy, I think because I think they can

574
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: grow into the job a little bit. All right, I'm

575
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: going to make the tenth pick here. It's it's kind

576
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: of sad that he's sat here this long, but I'll

577
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: go Mike Tomlin. It is about respect a little bit,

578
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: because like, ultimately I do want a more offensive minded guy,

579
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: and I don't know why they haven't been more aggressive

580
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: about fixing the quarterback situation, but in the end, they

581
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: are more than the.

582
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: Some of their parts.

583
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: Like it's facts that he reaches these players on a

584
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: level that's like hard to completely quantify, and that he

585
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: is a great defensive mind, and he's a frustrating coach

586
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: I think for Steelers fans right now because of the ceiling,

587
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: and that's why he fell this far, because look, he

588
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: could have had an argument some years to be in

589
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: the top two or three in terms of what he

590
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: has done. Obviously we know like you're gonna have a

591
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: good record when you have him, but the fades at

592
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: the end of the season are a little bit of

593
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: a detraction. And yet when it comes down to it,

594
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: and I looked at the rest of the names on

595
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: this list, like I do want Mike Tomlin, Like we'll

596
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: figure it out, bro, Like I'm gonna help you out,

597
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: get you figure out how to higher coordinator. That's probably

598
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: like the number one thing that he has not been

599
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 1: able to do offensively.

600
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I think, And Mike Tomlin is one

601
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 2: of the guys I was considering with Tamiko Ryans is

602
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: he's always going to get you to a point where

603
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: you can compete for a playoff spot, and you will

604
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: be in the playoffs. What happens when you get there,

605
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: you might just run out of gas because the all

606
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: doesn't have enough juice. But Mike Tomlin has become sort

607
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: of this like Steelers fans want him to be fired,

608
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: and every fan outside of Pittsburgh is like, no, that

609
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: would be so stupid because he brings this consistency, like

610
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: we said with John Harbaugh, the consistency that he brings

611
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: to a franchise in just we are going to play

612
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: a certain style, We're going to play a certain type

613
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: of way, and it's going to get us this far.

614
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 3: I can appreciate that.

615
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: I can appreciate getting to the playoffs, getting to the

616
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: wild card. As a Jaguars fan, I can appreciate making

617
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: the wild card every year because most teams would wish

618
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: for that level of consistency from their head coach. But

619
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: like you said, the coordinator stuff has been just it's

620
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: been the reason they've fallen apart at the end of

621
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: seasons and then the game management leaves you wanting a

622
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: little more. But at the end of the day, he's

623
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: gonna get you to He's gonna get you to the playoffs.

624
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 3: He's going to get you to that point. He's sort

625
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 3: of he's sort of similar.

626
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 2: I know that they have Spolster has won more, but

627
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: I think where Air is with the heat and where

628
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin is what the Steelers are sort of similar.

629
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 2: Where the talent on the team is not the same,

630
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: It's not the same level as when they were super

631
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: highly considered like one of the best teams of the

632
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: twenty tens. Obviously, but you always want that guy as

633
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: your coach because he's going to get He's gonna make

634
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: you competitive, he's going to get you.

635
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: He's gonna get you to the playoffs.

636
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: What happens when you face a more talented team who knows,

637
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: but he's gonna get you to that point every year.

638
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: He's a little like Belichick, and that like Belichick needed

639
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: Brady to unlock how special of a coach on some

640
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: level as a head coach Belichick was. It doesn't mean

641
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: that Belichick wasn't special. If you dropped a great quarterback

642
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: into Tomlin's lap the last six years, like we'd be

643
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: talking about him differently. But I do think think that's

644
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: the reason why it's okay that he fell this far,

645
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: because ultimately, I think the coaches that do help out

646
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: their quarterbacks are more valuable. And this was the first

647
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: pick that I made that I almost immediately regretted that

648
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: I actually felt in my heart it was my team.

649
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: I do think there's maybe a name or two we

650
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: haven't gotten to that maybe if I was making the decision,

651
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. But I'm just like, I'm afraid of Mike Tomlin.

652
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: He you know, just I respect Mike Talmin and I

653
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: couldn't let him fall anymore. All Right, we will be back.

654
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: We have not drafted the Super.

655
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: Bowl champion head coach that was our top ten. We'll

656
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: be back in a minute, back on NFL Daily. I

657
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: can already hear the complaints from some fan bases. Maybe

658
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: from our producer Eric Roberts, you might complain. Eagles fans

659
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: might be complaining.

660
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: We've gone through the top ten quarter coaches in the league.

661
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: Who will you stop the slide? It's interesting we're combining

662
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: on this list, so some of these coaches, it's like

663
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: it's up to us to stop the side if we want.

664
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: You have the number eleven pick here.

665
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: I will not be stopping to slide. I'm going back

666
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: to the unction. Give me Jim Harbaugh.

667
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: Yeah right, he's next on mine too. We're too similar.

668
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: I love I love Jim Harbaugh, not only because like

669
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: he is he's so much of the raw, raw run

670
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: the football guy that it's just like it makes you

671
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: kind of think, like, oh, he's just a meathead.

672
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: But the way that he kind of helped Justin.

673
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: Herbert grow a little bit where he kind of Herbert

674
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: has always been like a football cyborg, where he's gonna

675
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: get from one to two to three and always play

676
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: getting from one to two to three. Jim Harbaugh kind

677
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: of helped them like loosen up a little bit, play

678
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: a little more out of structure. And we saw a

679
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: lot of growth from Justin Herbert in that area. So

680
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: I take a lot of that into stock and picking

681
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh here. The reason I picked him earlier was

682
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 2: largely because of like Greg Roman. Like the attachment to

683
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: Roman were like, if I'm starting a franchise and I'm

684
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: thinking about hiring Jim Harball, is he going to bring

685
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: Greg Roman along with him? But you also think about

686
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: I know he did it in college, but hiring Jesse

687
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: Mintter and bringing him to Los Angeles. Jesse Mincher looked

688
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: like one of the best defensive coordinators in the NFL.

689
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: So it's just kind of that back and forth with Harball.

690
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: But that ability to take a Chargers team that looked

691
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 2: like the roster had completely been stripped to parts and

692
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: take them to the playoffs is something that I think

693
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: I really appreciate with Harball.

694
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you think about even with Greg Roman, like

695
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: the offense did improve. It was twelfth in DVOA last year.

696
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: It was coming off a pretty rough year, so it

697
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,479
Speaker 1: was efficient. He is the guy I think this might

698
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: be kind of the end of a tier that I

699
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: immediately regretted taking Tomlin over. And to be real, if

700
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: you had taken him as high as four or five,

701
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hate it because he He's proven it.

702
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: He is a culture changer being around like as someone

703
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: that's you know, gone to training camp with the charge

704
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: and stuff like it's like the difference between when Brandon

705
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 1: Staley's coaching the team and Jim Harbott, Like he came

706
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: in there and he makes like he makes them a

707
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: real franchise in a way that they just didn't feel

708
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: and that that's pretty invaluable. So to me, any of

709
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: these guys from about four to to this spot, like

710
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: you could shake him up and I wouldn't argue too hard.

711
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna go next, and again I'm going

712
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: off my board slightly. It is interesting you when you

713
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: actually get on the clock, you you realize how you

714
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: really feel. And I don't think Sean McDermot should slip

715
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: any further, and so I'm taking I'm taking him now.

716
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: And here's why I've always thought he was underrated in

717
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: that he provides a really clear schematic advantage defensively. Now

718
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: it hasn't been very good in the playoffs. It it

719
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: just hasn't. But we're talking about like the whole, the

720
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: whole thing. He he did help change the culture with

721
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean. He brought Brandon Bean there. Josh Allen obviously

722
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: is the most important person in that organization, but they

723
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: went back to the playoffs before they got Josh Allen,

724
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: and they have been the most consistent defense in the

725
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: NFL since he got there. They have an identity. They've

726
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: actually gotten a little more creative and in terms of

727
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: what they do defensively lately, and they just rack up

728
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: the wins.

729
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: And there's.

730
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: You know, you don't like love how tight he seems

731
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: to get, and you don't like love the image of

732
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 1: him giving that nine to eleven speech and thinking, Yeah,

733
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 1: if there's one coach in the NFL that I can

734
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: imagine doing that, it is Sean McDermott. And that's why

735
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: I like he's not number one or two, but I

736
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: do think he really he knows how to do the

737
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: job of being a head coach, and he gives you

738
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: a pretty clear defensive schematic advantage that to me is proven,

739
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: and so that's why I'm taking him here.

740
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: Sean McDermott exists in kind of a weird space when it.

741
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,959
Speaker 2: Comes to NFL coaches, where it's like he's a great,

742
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: he's a good coach. Also has Josh Allen, but he

743
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 2: also helped build that defense, but the defense also falls apart.

744
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: It's like the Kombucha Girl meme where it's like, oh,

745
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: the team always does great in the regular season, and

746
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: the defense falls apart.

747
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 3: In the postseason.

748
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: Ah, the offense a great, got Josh Allen, but it's

749
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: like he's good. He just again, with some of these coaches,

750
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 2: it's just haw to beat the Chiefs in the playoffs,

751
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: like it's just unfortunate.

752
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: But he is eighty six and forty five, and he

753
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: has found the right coaches around Josh Allen. Now, Josh

754
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: Allen is helping to make those coaches, but I do

755
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: give him some credit. I actually want to bring in

756
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: Eric Roberts.

757
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 2: It's rare.

758
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: I know Eric doesn't like to talk too much on

759
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: the show. He's been killing it lately. Just the best

760
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: editor in the game. But I am just curious. It's

761
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 1: been a long time with Sean McDermott. Obviously he helped

762
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: you guys out. I'm wondering how you feel about him.

763
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: How do you think the average Bills fan feels about

764
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: him too?

765
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 2: Well? I like him the average Bills fan.

766
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 4: I mean, there are plenty Bills fan facebook groups and forums.

767
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: That want him fired every other week. But I mean

768
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: he does great.

769
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 4: But like JP pointed out, you run into Patrick Mahomes

770
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 4: every year, it's gonna happen. I mean, I said this

771
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 4: when they beat us again this year, it's like, you're great.

772
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: We're in the playoffs every year. You can't complain it.

773
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 4: Just it's at a bad time to be good in

774
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 4: the AFC because you have the giant in Kansas City

775
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 4: that you just can't get past.

776
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: He's like the Jerry Sloan if you know who Jerry

777
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: Sloan is, the old Utah Jazz had good. He's won

778
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: a playoff game Sean McDermott five straight years, at least one.

779
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: It's trust me.

780
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 4: I lived through the drought, I live, but I lived

781
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 4: through JP Lossman, I lived through Trent Edwards. You know,

782
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 4: Josh Allen is a big piece of this, and McDermott's

783
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 4: just there with him, and it's I compare we're doing

784
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 4: basketball prepers. I compare him Lob City Clippers back when

785
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 4: the Golden were They're fun. Yeah, dunks made it in

786
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 4: the playoffs. Couldn't get past the Warriors. Just can't get

787
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 4: past Kansas City. I don't want him fired. What are

788
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 4: we going to get? The thing is too with these coaches.

789
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 4: People want fired. Who we bringing in? What are we

790
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 4: going to change? You know?

791
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: Right if it went south like it was, it was

792
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: getting close there in that year where he made the

793
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: speech and then they turned around. I think twelve is

794
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: a is a perfect spot for him. But this is

795
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: where I decided to just stop the slide. I felt

796
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: like it was too disrespectful for him to go any

797
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: any lower than twelve, because I thought he's always been

798
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: just like a tick underrated Trent Edwards, by the way,

799
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: I drafted way too high in a Dynasty League fantasy

800
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: draft like a long long time ago. All right, let's

801
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: go to pick number thirteen here at JP AM I.

802
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: About to clear out the entire AFC West. I think

803
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 2: every AFC West coach. I'm not going to stop here

804
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 2: going full aunction. I'm a big believer in Pete Carroll.

805
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: I know he's coming out of the front office back

806
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: to head coaching. I don't think, but I think don't

807
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: think that gap between him coaching versus him being in

808
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 2: front office is too far. I think his prowess and

809
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: sort of his adjustments defensively don't get talked about as

810
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: much when we talk about the Legion of Boom and

811
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: how that defense shaped the NFL, and then how his

812
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 2: defense has evolved to what they've become now. He's always

813
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: consistently made great defensive HighRes I think the work that

814
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: he did with the offense too, until like the Russ

815
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: stuff at the end of the Russ tenure got really

816
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: got weird. But I'm still a believer in what Pete

817
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: Carroll does and what he brings in terms of a

818
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: floor razor to an offense. The only reason he's not

819
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: getting picked higher here is he's seventy three. Like if

820
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: we're taking like if we're taking a coach for the

821
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: next few years, Pete Carroll might not be your guy,

822
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: but in a one game and a one season where

823
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: you're just trying to get you're trying to get a

824
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 2: team off the floor.

825
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 3: I think God fit keep Carol.

826
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: I love him for the Raiders job. This is the

827
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: first time we've disagreed. I had him much lower ultimately,

828
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: like I had him below twenty because I still think

829
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys who bring certain advantages and

830
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: his defense to me just wasn't good enough for too

831
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: long at the end of his Seattle run. But as

832
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: a guy for the job that he was hired to

833
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 1: do and and sort of how you evaluated on some level,

834
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: which was like an expansion team, I do think he

835
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: he's great for that. But do I really I don't

836
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 1: know if I believe he brings enough kind of scheme

837
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: and he certainly you know, doesn't seem like offensive minded.

838
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 1: At this point, I am I'm gonna go with dan

839
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 1: Quinn okay next, And part of it is I think, man,

840
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: actually I should have just taken.

841
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: Syriana because Eagles fans are gonna look crazy.

842
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: But I'm given a lot of credit to the second

843
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: time around theory that dan Quinn has talked about, and

844
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: that I believe that he learned about what went wrong

845
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: for him the first time around. Number one, and then

846
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: number two. I think he's evolved schematically to in a

847
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: way that is intriguing.

848
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 2: Now.

849
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: Their defense had a lot still left out to be

850
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: desired a year ago, but I think he did learn

851
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: a lot, and he is in that mold of a

852
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell or a Mike Tomlin or a John Harbaugh

853
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: that I think is going to get an entire organization

854
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: on the same wavelength, even if you're not hiring him

855
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: just for scheme. Obviously he's coming off of a great year,

856
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: but it's everything you heard about him as an assistant

857
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: too in Dallas. I don't think they should have let

858
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: him go. So if it was my team, he is

859
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: the guy i'd want running my team next on this list.

860
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: I have a lot of questions about Dan Quinn, especially

861
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: for being a defensive coach. The defense sort of like

862
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: the defense wasn't that good in Washington this first year.

863
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: But where I give dan Quinn a lot of credit

864
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: is the coaching hire off coordinator higher. He saw that

865
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: what Jane Daniels did at LSU, and he brought in

866
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 2: Cliff Kingsbury.

867
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 3: To kind of help him do that same thing.

868
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: While like we said about Sean Payton helping him grow

869
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 2: as you continue to add stuff into the offense instead

870
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 2: of throwing everything in the book at him from day one.

871
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: So I give dan Quinn a lot of credit there.

872
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: I just I worry a little bit about the defense.

873
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: But on the brea on if we're spin zoning this,

874
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: there wasn't there wasn't a lot of his players on

875
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 2: that roster yet. So it's also Washington, like I do.

876
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: I did give extra credit for guys that were in

877
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: I think entering tougher situations, and I think that was

878
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 1: that was what he did as opposed to the guy

879
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: we still haven't taken who won the Super Bowl And

880
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: so who's kind of in the perfect situation? Are are

881
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: you going to just get him off the board here?

882
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: We're at We're at yeah, fifteen, Okay, he was next

883
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: on my list too. I stuck to my list. I

884
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: kind of regret not going off of it and just

885
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: taking him there.

886
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 3: But well, I'm going to take Nick Sirianni here.

887
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: And the way I describe Nick Siriani to a lot

888
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: of people who don't really follow football is he is

889
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: the perfect coach for the Philadelphia Eagles because he is

890
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: such a Philadelphia like he if we're talking about a

891
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: culture coach. He is Philadelphia as a head coach, He's

892
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: gonna rub people the wrong way a lot. He's gonna

893
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 2: make his own fans want to fire him. He's gonna

894
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: make his own fans like yell at him during games,

895
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: which tappened during the season they won the Super Bowl.

896
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 3: The players were fighting on the sidelines.

897
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 2: But at the same time, like his ability to rally

898
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 2: this team and the ability to continue to get this

899
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: team to a certain level of play. Is it because

900
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: the team has built an incredibly stacked roster. Sure, but

901
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: he has a say in building said roster. I know

902
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 2: we gave Howie Roseman a lot of credit, but Siriani

903
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: also has a play in building that roster and then

904
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 2: the quarter.

905
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: Though test I don't know, man Man, I don't know

906
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: if he has.

907
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 3: I mould say the coordinaty stuff gets weird because like

908
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: it's just it's just tough.

909
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: Because Steichen and Jonathan Gannon obviously great hires both of

910
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: them to be head coaches. Then Brian Johnson and the

911
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: unholy alliance of Matt Patricia and Sean Decai did not work.

912
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 2: So you go out and get Vic Fangio and Kellen Moore,

913
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: who were both sort of already established names as coordinators, and.

914
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: Elewnership I think gets them, and that gets kind of

915
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: gets to the trick with Theoryane. He's like a system coach,

916
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, like you have system quarterbacks. I think they've

917
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: made it clear that the front office is more important there.

918
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: So in this evaluation where we're kind of trying to

919
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: divorce the coach from the situation, I think it's totally

920
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: fair to put him where where we did. You could

921
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: argue he could even be lower because some other guys

922
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: have done other stuff.

923
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 3: Look.

924
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: I was listening to the pha Ypi cast last week

925
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: and Bo Wolf Zach Berman. They were talking about how

926
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: I think it was after the Cleveland game. They remember

927
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 1: they were two and two and then he did something

928
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 1: I forget which off field, you know, distraction, like whether

929
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: it was yelling at the fans or what it was

930
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: that Sirianni like, you know, and that was to get

931
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: them to three and two. And they believed that there

932
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: was a legitimate chance Sirianni was not gonna make it

933
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: through the season, that this was getting untenable and it

934
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: wasn't just about wins and losses, and it wasn't and

935
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: they weren't just saying that like they think that, Like

936
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: I think that was a conversation that was happening in

937
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: the Eagles building. And now they won the Super Bowl,

938
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: and I think the players love him and that's why

939
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: he goes number fifteen. But the fact that that's where

940
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: he was at like five weeks Anyway, this is.

941
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 2: Too long on, Sirianni. I'm sorry, all.

942
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: Right, number sixteen.

943
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: Man. This is where it gets tough.

944
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: This is where it's tough because I like the next

945
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: eight or nine coaches and it's really tough to separate them.

946
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 1: And I think I'm gonna again go off my board.

947
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: I'm really not a disciplined drafter. I'm gonna take Kevin

948
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: Stefanski here. It goes to what I was saying about

949
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: the organization that I give him a lot more credit

950
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: for winning two Coaches of the Year trophies in Cleveland.

951
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 3: Yea.

952
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: And I don't think he's been handed a full deck

953
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: in terms of his front office or ownership. I think

954
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 1: he can coach offense. And we're getting to the point

955
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: of the draft is like, what do I know you

956
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: can do? And I think he can coach offense. I

957
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: think he can coach quarterbacks. I think he can help

958
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 1: the offensive line. I don't think he's taken anything away

959
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: as like a leader of men or anything like that.

960
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: And so I just feel good about him. He's sixteen.

961
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: He actually he makes a lot of sense to me,

962
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: as like right in the middle, you.

963
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 2: Know, this is actually going to be my next guy,

964
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: Kevin Okay, And again I put a lot of stock

965
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: into winning two Coaches of the Year, not only at Cleveland,

966
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 2: but one of those Coaches of the Year you won

967
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: with Joe Flacco playing quarterback, Like this is not a

968
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: team that has had like a bevy of talent on

969
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: the offensive side of the ball, like just this overwhelming

970
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: number of good quarterback play, but he's been able to

971
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: get them to at least a solid level when running

972
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: his offense. Now, you can make the argument last year

973
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 2: that he wasn't running his offense because of the worst

974
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 2: quarterback in the NFL, But it's I think when he

975
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 2: gets to when he's running his stuff when he wants,

976
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 2: when he's doing his stuff offensively, the offense looks good.

977
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: He has a vision and he has a plan for

978
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: what he wants to do. I think, like you said,

979
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 2: this is the perfect spot for him where it's like,

980
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: I know what you can do.

981
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 3: It's just about like the Cleveland tax.

982
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: Right, great, great Beard and yeah, like now, Baker has

983
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: played well in in Tampa, but a lot of the

984
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks in Cleveland other than Watson, played their best

985
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: ball ever with Stefanski, Like Jakoby Brissett played his best

986
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: ball ever with Stefanski. He's done that repeatedly. Jim Schwartz

987
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: was a good hire. Ultimately, I just think he's a

988
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 1: really solid head coach. All right, you're up number seventeen.

989
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 2: I'm sort in the same boat as you, where I'm

990
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 2: trying to evaluate, evaluate what you can do for me

991
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: if you can provide a schematic advantage. This is probably

992
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: the first one where I have a little bit of regret.

993
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Mike McDaniel. Okay, so I'm gonna go

994
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel here because I at least know what.

995
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 3: That offense is going to do for me. I know

996
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 3: what he's going to bring to an offense.

997
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 2: And I think when that offense was fully up and

998
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 2: running and they were healthy, that offense still was one

999
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: of the more impressive units in the league. I think

1000
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: he has shown that he has the ability to adapt

1001
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: and grow his offense. But my biggest issue with Mike

1002
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 2: McDaniel is, for the last three years they've been one

1003
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: of the worst short yardage teams in the NFL. Eventually,

1004
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 2: that's got to come back to you and eventually, like

1005
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: the offense is going to have to find a way

1006
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 2: to be sustainable in the cold. In the cold, it's

1007
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 2: gonna have to You're gonna find a way to be

1008
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: sustainable in playoff level, playoff scenarios if you want to

1009
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 2: be taken more seriously as an NFL head coach. So

1010
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: I have a lot of questions there. I think the hires,

1011
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 2: I mean, he calls playoffs plays on offense, but the

1012
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: defensive highers have been all right. I think Anthony Weaver

1013
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: was I think I actually think Anthony Weaver did a

1014
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: pretty good job as deef to cornatd first year. The

1015
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: Fangio thing just did not work. I don't think that

1016
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 2: worked at all. But I still believe in what he

1017
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: can bring, like you said, and I think he's gonna

1018
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 2: bring an offense that I know what I'm gonna get.

1019
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, like Stefanski, I think he's in a

1020
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 1: tough situation, and he does have a clear skill set,

1021
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: not for nothing. He's got twenty eight and twenty three

1022
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: and three years for an organization that has not been

1023
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: very good, and so it's not like he doesn't have

1024
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,959
Speaker 1: some some pelts on the wall in terms of actual production. Yeah,

1025
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: I only had I had two guys ahead of him,

1026
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: because you are worried about like is he a system

1027
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: coach if you put him into the right situation, like

1028
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: if he's the Eagles, you know coach, if you put

1029
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: him in there, if he if he was a successor

1030
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: to Andy Reid in kansasity, like I would love him

1031
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: in a situation like that, And so I think he

1032
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: could succeed. Can he succeed everywhere? Do I think that

1033
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,479
Speaker 1: this might totally crumble? Because he is not the Sean

1034
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: Payton type that can handle the entire building, Like, yeah,

1035
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: that could happen, but that's happened to basically every Dolphins

1036
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 1: head coach, so that might be more about the Dolphins.

1037
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: I will go with the Patriots head coach here, Mike Rabel.

1038
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: To me, he is like the coach pick of looks

1039
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: good getting off the bus, like literally, but also like

1040
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: he builds his team that way, and he's just like

1041
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: in front of the podium, everyone believes. I think he's

1042
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 1: gonna get buy in in a way that dan Quinn does,

1043
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: so like to me, they were kind of similar options.

1044
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: Second time around. He's got to show me it and

1045
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: dan Quinn already did, but second time around, and he

1046
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: was better than dan Quinn the first time around. Fifty

1047
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: one and forty five in Tennessee, like, those are all positive.

1048
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 1: There's a lot of reason to believe that it could

1049
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: go really well and that he could be like a

1050
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: top ten, top twelve type of guy. The downside is

1051
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: he's a defensive guy who just has proven he doesn't

1052
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 1: add a schematic advantage to his defenses. He's been average

1053
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: at best, a little below average on average, and then he.

1054
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 2: Gets in.

1055
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: Fights with his coworkers a little bit like he's just

1056
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: there's just been office drama. And I did take that

1057
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: into account, he'd probably be three or four spots higher.

1058
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: And maybe that's not on him, maybe it is, but

1059
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: there's been like palace intrigue that's kind of followed him around,

1060
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: and I think that's important, I really do. I think

1061
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 1: that's part of the job, being able to manage all

1062
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: of that, like the power dynamics, and I'm not sure

1063
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: that's a strength of his.

1064
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: I feel like, if we're again, if we're putting this

1065
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 2: scenario of building expansion franchise and you want to hire

1066
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 2: Mike Rabel, I feel like as a GM, as an owner,

1067
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 2: you have to like physically best Mike Rabel for him

1068
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 2: to respect you. You have to like win an arm

1069
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: wrestle against him. You gotta like him run the show.

1070
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: I think he's old school, where like he sort of

1071
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: has to be the dude, and you're signing up for

1072
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: that with its pluses and its minuses, you know.

1073
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you have to let him have the control.

1074
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: I think that's something that kind of failed him in

1075
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 2: his last in Tennessee. But to his credit, it's really

1076
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 2: hard to get the number one seed in Tennessee. It's

1077
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: really hard to get that home field advantage, and he

1078
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 2: did that through a roster that he built. I think

1079
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: some of the game management stuff is actually pretty good. Yeah, yeah,

1080
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: that's a plus build. But I think it's a plus

1081
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 2: for him. But again, like you said, outside of the

1082
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 2: Matt l Floor, offensive higher Arthur Smith was pretty good

1083
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,240
Speaker 2: for him as an offensive higher.

1084
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 3: It sort of, it doesn't look that great for him,

1085
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 3: so it went on.

1086
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: It went off the rails.

1087
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: The defense thing, too, is the thing that to me

1088
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: a little bit that they put a lot into that defense,

1089
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: and it was always just like, eh, it's okay.

1090
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it went off the rails a little bit.

1091
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 2: But I think Rabel's a really solid pick in this

1092
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 2: area because he's gonna bring at least he's gonna bring.

1093
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: A culture, good value, good value, good value. Who you

1094
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 1: got number nineteen.

1095
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: So the margin between my nineteen and twenty is super

1096
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 2: super small. And at this point, I'm kind of thinking,

1097
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 2: if I need one game, can I get a guy

1098
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 2: who gives me a schematic advantage. I think this might

1099
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: be a little bit of a reach, but I'm gonna

1100
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 2: go with Mike McDonald. Wow, Okay, this might be because

1101
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 2: I am such a huge believer in Mike McDonald's defense.

1102
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 2: I'm a big believer in what he's done to build

1103
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: out the defense and get his guys maximized.

1104
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 3: I think when you look at what.

1105
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 2: Boye Mafe did last year with Derek Hall and being

1106
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 2: too starting quality edge rushers, the stuff that he's done

1107
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 2: with Devin Witherspoon has been incredible. I think it's been awesome.

1108
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 2: And then again, the moving of Kobe Bryant from nickel

1109
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 2: to safety has really worked out for his career, getting

1110
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 2: Julian Love to a Pro Bowl caliber level as a safety.

1111
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 2: I think that defense, if we're talking about one game

1112
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 2: sample size, I want to believe in Mike McDonald's defense

1113
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 2: that gives me him the advantage over guys like Todd Bowles.

1114
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 3: So I think is a great defensive guy.

1115
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: But he's the next pick, my next pick. Yeah, the

1116
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 2: game management sort of comes and goes, but I just

1117
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 2: want to see more from his offense or the offense

1118
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 2: that he wants to run. But again, the feather in

1119
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 2: the cap forum is seeing that it didn't work the

1120
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: first year and was like, Okay, scrap it, we got

1121
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 2: to go do something different. So yeah, I think.

1122
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: It's a good high upside pick. His defense came together.

1123
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: I want to see proof of concept from a coach.

1124
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: What is it that you're bringing to the team. You

1125
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: absolutely saw it the second half of that season. I

1126
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: had him ranked a handful of spots lower. Mostly I

1127
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: think just because it's been one year and some of

1128
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: these other guys just like have proven it. But I

1129
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: think he's got a higher ceiling than the rest, probably

1130
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,479
Speaker 1: a higher ceiling than Todd Bowles, who is my pick.

1131
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: And this is interesting with us going back and forth

1132
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: ranking it like this, sometimes we'll have guys that were

1133
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: up higher for some reason. I jumped Vrabel over him,

1134
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: but like on my initial list, actually had him fifteen

1135
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: or sixteen, and he's going at twenty here because he's

1136
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: had really high highs as a defensive play caller. In

1137
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: a one game scenario, he's dangerous. It's not always consistent.

1138
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: Defenses aren't in general. But I think he's a very

1139
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: smart defensive mind. There's obviously no question about it. He's

1140
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: a defining defensive coach of the last fifteen years. And look,

1141
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: they've won plenty of games. He's done a good job

1142
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: hiring coordinators. I think he's a good value here. Like

1143
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 1: I said, doing the math again, actually had him fifteenth

1144
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: on my board and he falls to twenty here.

1145
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: I think he's a good coach.

1146
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think with Tod.

1147
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: Though terrible, it's like evaluating how important is that? It's

1148
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: just yeah, it's terrible.

1149
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta take the ups with the downs in

1150
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 3: this range.

1151
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 2: And for as bad as Todd Bowles is with game management.

1152
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 2: If you want one guy to call a defense for

1153
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 2: you for an entire game, Todd Bowles is like one

1154
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 2: of the guys where I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna let

1155
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 2: you just cook on this.

1156
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 3: I think the biggest examples are the things that he's.

1157
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,959
Speaker 2: Done to the Eagles, like he's done like he's put

1158
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 2: that offense in a blender for most of the time

1159
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 2: that they've played Philadelphia's So that ability to get the

1160
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 2: most out of your defensive guys. I think some of

1161
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 2: the issues come from just their personnel's gotten hurt. But

1162
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 2: like you said, not only has he coached really good

1163
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 2: defenses that can call really good defense, He's also hit

1164
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: a lot of home runs with his hires on the

1165
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,280
Speaker 2: other side of the ball. So I think that's something

1166
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 2: that you have to take into account with Todd Bowles.

1167
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: It's just how high can you put him while also

1168
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 2: acknowledging he might lose you a game when it comes

1169
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 2: to game management.

1170
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: The crazy thing though, is if Todd Bowles is the

1171
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: twentieth best coach in the league, like we're doing pretty good.

1172
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: I know he wasn't like inspiring with the Jets and

1173
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: actually his record with the Bucks is only three games

1174
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: over five hundred, so it's not like regular season he's

1175
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: been amazing, but he's a pretty good coach to be

1176
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: twentieth here. All right, we will wrap up our final

1177
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: ten just after the break. And yes, by the way,

1178
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: you mentioned the Eagles. They are headed back to Tampa

1179
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: Bay again at the same time of the season, week four,

1180
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: one thing we didn't mention in the schedule release show.

1181
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: So I'm very intrigued to see if Jalen Hurts will

1182
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: finally solve them all. Right, back with the final coaches

1183
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: right after this back on NFL Daily. I misspoke a

1184
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: little earlier. I said there's four first time new head coaches.

1185
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: There's actually five. Liam Cohen, Kellen Moore, Brian Schottenheimer, Ben Johnson,

1186
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn. They're not getting ranked today, so we're ranking

1187
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: twenty seven coaches that have actually coached at the highest

1188
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: level in the NFL. We're up to twenty one.

1189
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 2: JP. It's your pick, so I'm going to pick Jonathan

1190
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 2: Gannon here was my pick too, and pick two. I

1191
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 2: think he's sort of become like I think he got

1192
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 2: memed into hell when he first got the job, but

1193
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 2: it's done a good job with this Cardinals team, and

1194
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 2: I think it starts with his hires on the on

1195
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 2: both sides of the ball. I think Nick Rowlis has

1196
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 2: done an amazing job with that defense and what he's

1197
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 2: done without the surefire personnel up front, some of the

1198
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 2: stuff they do schematically. I love going back and watching

1199
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 2: the Cardinals defense because they just throw different stuff at you.

1200
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 2: It's so many different cool looks. And then it's complimented

1201
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 2: by Drew Petts on the other side of the ball

1202
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 2: that runs this version like monster ball that they like

1203
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 2: to run with all the twelve and thirteen personnel and

1204
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 2: everybody on the field is like six to four and

1205
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 2: above except for Kyler Murray. So I think it's super

1206
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 2: cool what he's done with his hires. I think the

1207
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 2: management stuff is cup has been pretty good. It's just

1208
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 2: about getting over the hump at this point, and can

1209
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 2: he get over the hump? Yeah.

1210
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: The two Seattle games late last year were like, oh, Okay,

1211
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: they're not ready. Yeah, they just had moments where it

1212
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: was like, oh, but going into last year they had

1213
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: a six and a half.

1214
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 2: Over under win total.

1215
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: They won eight games. I thought they were much better

1216
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: than their four and thirteen record the year before. I

1217
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: thought they were feisty. You know, they were maybe expected

1218
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: to be the worst team in the NFL and they

1219
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: could have had more than four wins. So I just

1220
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: I watched them. I think they're a really well coached team.

1221
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: Like he's creative. You mentioned it with the Highers, good stuff.

1222
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 2: That was.

1223
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: That was who I had. Next two, I'm gonna go

1224
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: with his old buddy, Shane steichen Oka is the Colts

1225
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: coach in seventeen in his two years. Again, if this

1226
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: is the twenty second best coach in the league, like

1227
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: we're we're in pretty good shape here. I think he

1228
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: has a clear style, like you know what a Shane

1229
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: Stike in offense looks like. He held on to Gus

1230
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: Bradley too long. I guess that's on him. He kind

1231
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: of inherited him. He did pull off like a winning

1232
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: record with Gardner Minshew. I mean, I'm giving him some

1233
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: credit for that. He hasn't been able to develop Richardson.

1234
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,959
Speaker 1: That's on him. That's on Richardson. And I still have hope.

1235
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: You know, I think at this point in the coach's draft,

1236
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: he hasn't shown me to be like a huge negative

1237
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: in any way.

1238
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 2: So I think he's solid. The QB management really gives

1239
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 2: me some pause when it comes to stike In, not

1240
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 2: only just like the Richardson lack of development. It's the

1241
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 2: putting Richson in, pulling him back out, puting in Jill blackout,

1242
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 2: pulling him ba out.

1243
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 3: Putting Richardon back in.

1244
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 2: It's all these different like all these different quarterbacks coming in,

1245
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 2: and you never can really.

1246
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: Could have been ownership putting their thumb on the ski.

1247
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: In fact, that's the suspicion, you know. So, And that's tough.

1248
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: That's a tough situation with the Colts.

1249
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 3: It is tough.

1250
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: But I think Stichen's a good value pick here because

1251
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 2: I just I think the offense is good. I think

1252
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 2: the offense has shown they can be good. They almost

1253
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 2: made a Playoffs with Gardner Minshew at quarterbacks. So I'm

1254
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 2: buying in there. All right, twenty three, you're up.

1255
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Dave Canalis here.

1256
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: Man, we are really disrespecting someone will get to it's tough.

1257
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 2: I think what Dave Canalis did at the end of

1258
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 2: the season with his QB development of Bryce Young, I

1259
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 2: think that has to play a lot in here. I

1260
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 2: think I would like to see the Panthers win more

1261
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 2: games now that they have their full belief in Bryce

1262
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 2: Young and that offense is sort of that offense is

1263
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 2: starting to take take a shape that looks like what

1264
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 2: Dave Canallis wants it to be. So I'm excited to

1265
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 2: see what they do this upcoming year and then continuing

1266
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 2: to hold on to Idiro. Everro, who I think is

1267
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 2: a good coordinator, is still it deserves a lot of

1268
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 2: feather in his cap as well, but I think I

1269
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 2: just would like to see them win more games with

1270
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 2: some weight to them for him to move up.

1271
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, the development he has had with Baker Mayfield. You know,

1272
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: you're not gonna give him too much credit because I

1273
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: wasn't as a head coach, but you know he helped do it,

1274
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: and just his spirit and he's trying to be Pete

1275
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: Carroll two point zero. He's open, He's open about it.

1276
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: That's his mentor. I had him at twenty five, so

1277
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: a few spots lower just because he hasn't done it yet,

1278
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: but it was promising. It was good to see something

1279
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: in his first year, like like I kind of said

1280
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: with Mike McDonald, like you saw the canals imprint on

1281
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: Bryce Young and that was awesome. I'm going to take

1282
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor now, just so I don't get labeled Zach

1283
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: Taylor hater anymore than I already am. I think I

1284
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: used to describe him that he was just like a

1285
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: polo shirt of a coach. You know, I'm wearing one

1286
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: right now. Nothing against polo shirts, like, but they're just

1287
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, they're just you put on a polo shirt

1288
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: and you're not going to get too much tension for it.

1289
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: It's not too good, it's not too bad. And that's

1290
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor. I just think players matter, and I'm not

1291
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: totally sure if you dropped him into different situation how

1292
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: well it goes.

1293
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 2: Now.

1294
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: I do think he manages his players pretty well in

1295
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: terms of I do think they like Zach Taylor like

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01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: I think he manages personalities. Okay, but they're forty six

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01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: and fifty two. You got to count those first couple

1298
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: of years, and when Joe Burrow has started games the

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01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: last two years as just one year, they're fourteen and thirteen,

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01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: and so that's malpractice from an organization. And I think

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01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: he's fighting up hill like some of these other coaches

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01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: in terms of the organization. But ultimately, I'm not sure

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01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: what I really have with Zach Taylor. So he's twenty four,

1304
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: so I hey, look, if you're gonna come at me

1305
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: Bengals fan, I actually just bumped him up ahead of

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01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 1: Raheem Morris, who I actually had written above him. But

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01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put him twenty four just because it feels

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01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 1: bad him goes state.

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01:03:58,480 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 3: On things that I agree with you on.

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01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 2: SA Zach Taylor, it just feels like he's not running

1311
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 2: the offense that we thought he would coming from the

1312
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 2: McVeigh offense. It feels like the Bengals are like, and

1313
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 2: you have Joe Burrow and you have t Higgins Lamar Chase.

1314
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 2: You're not going to run wide zone every play, you know,

1315
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 2: But it doesn't feel like the offense has his imprint

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01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 2: on it.

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01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 3: It feels like it's a Joe Burrow offense.

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01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 2: But isn't that?

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01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, just to look, he's twenty fourth. That's where I

1320
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: had him too, So I'm not disagreeing with you, but

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01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: you could make the case. Look, you got to meet

1322
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: the players where they are. Joe Burrow has a very

1323
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: specific style that he clearly wants to play, and I

1324
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: think it's you know, to Taylor's credit on some level

1325
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: to get the best version of that offense out there.

1326
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: But you're right, kind of an awkward fit. Probably the

1327
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: best moments just of his career, like as a coach.

1328
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: Other you know, they did almost win the Super Bowl.

1329
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,919
Speaker 1: That's that's pretty good for the twenty fourth best coach.

1330
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: And like I was when he was winning games with

1331
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: Jake Browning and putting up some offensive numbers, that was

1332
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: pretty good. All Right, you're twenty five. We only have

1333
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:01,479
Speaker 1: three left.

1334
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm gonna go with Brian day Ball here. Okay,

1335
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 2: poor Raheem.

1336
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 3: He won a playoff game, like.

1337
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 2: He has won a playoff game, no matter what happened

1338
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 2: in the in said playoff game, he manages that team

1339
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 2: to get to a point where you won a playoff game.

1340
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 3: He won a playoff game with Daniel Jones at quarterbacks.

1341
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 2: So I think his offenses like it's it's tough because

1342
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 2: you want to say that this team hasn't had a

1343
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 2: lot of talent on the roster, but he also plays

1344
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 2: a part in acquiring and developing talent, so which is

1345
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 2: why he's twenty fifth here. But I I guess I'd

1346
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 2: go with him over the last two guys, because you

1347
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 2: know he's had experience in the playoffs.

1348
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 1: He's not a bad coach. That's what I was getting at,

1349
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: where like I don't know fifteen to twenty five, even

1350
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: twelve to twenty, Like, I don't think he's a bad coach.

1351
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: The reason I had him so low, I actually had

1352
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: him twenty six was ultimately I went to Pro Football

1353
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: Reference and he has run an offense either as a

1354
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: coordinator or a head coach, eleven times, and his Bills

1355
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: teams with Josh Allen were in the top ten three

1356
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 1: times out of his four years in terms of points. Otherwise,

1357
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: he hasn't been over fourteenth once. And you can go

1358
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: look at those Miami and Cleveland team like they're bad quarterbacks.

1359
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: I get it. But over the non Josh Allen seasons,

1360
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: JP his teams have averaged twenty fifth in points scored.

1361
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: So you're an offensive guy. I don't know if he

1362
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: has the big picture. I thought the upside for Rahiem

1363
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: Morris was higher because I do believe somewhat in the

1364
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: raw ros stuff for lack of a better word for

1365
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: like the team building, for the getting everyone on the

1366
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: same page, kind of like a Dan Quinn. He needs

1367
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: to prove it. You know, they went eight to nine

1368
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: last year. That's probably about right for the talent that

1369
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 1: they had. They were twenty ninth in defensive DV away.

1370
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: But you hear from his players and people that have

1371
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: coached with him, They swear by him, and I think

1372
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: second time around he could be a good coach. So

1373
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: I think he actually has a higher ceiling than a

1374
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: Canalis or Tailor, maybe not Canalys but Dable. But you know,

1375
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: we're just we're splitting Harris again. The fact that he's

1376
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 1: twenty six is a good sign for the state of

1377
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: NFL coaching.

1378
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a great sign. I believe in

1379
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 2: what Maraheem Morris is doing. Culture wise, I think that

1380
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 2: the players obviously love him. I do want to see

1381
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 2: what the defense looks like when he's running his defense,

1382
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 2: because it felt like Jimmy Lake last year was running

1383
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 2: Jimmy Lake's stuff, and then after Jimmy Lake was fired,

1384
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 2: he was like this.

1385
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 3: This is now the Raheem Morris defense.

1386
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 2: And we've already heard and seen players like Matt Judon

1387
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 2: like say like, I did not like running that defense

1388
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 2: because why am I always dropping in the coverage, So

1389
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 2: I want to see what he does with his defense

1390
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 2: now and his players in there.

1391
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 3: So I'm a little lower going forward, but I.

1392
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 2: Do like what he's done to kind of change the

1393
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 2: culture of that team. Right.

1394
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 1: I am glad he brought up Judon because I was

1395
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: the highlight of the twenty twenty four Patriots season other

1396
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 1: than landing a great franchise quarterback. I suppose that's number one.

1397
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: Number two is getting a third round pick for Matthew Juden.

1398
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: All right, Last up is Brian Gallahan. I can make

1399
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: the pick for you because he's the only one left,

1400
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: and it's just kind of like, I don't know what

1401
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 1: you thought about him, but it was more just like

1402
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 1: it's incomplete. What are we gonna do at this point?

1403
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 3: It's incomplete.

1404
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 2: I honestly did not think he would make it through

1405
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 2: last season. I thought he was gonna be a one

1406
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:29,560
Speaker 2: and done because man, there's not a lot that inspired

1407
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 2: you when it.

1408
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,560
Speaker 3: Came to watching Tennessee.

1409
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 2: But I also can say that Dinard Wilson and that

1410
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 2: defense they had, there's talent on the defensive side of

1411
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 2: the ball. There's not it's not like overwhelming, but you

1412
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 2: have some guys there that you can build off of,

1413
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,799
Speaker 2: and now you have cam Ward number one pick. It's

1414
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 2: let's see, let's see it now, like we I would

1415
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,759
Speaker 2: like to see that offense be a little bit better,

1416
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 2: and I think the Bill Callahan like floor raizer for

1417
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 2: the offensive line should help out this upcoming season. But

1418
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 2: I'm a little less optimistic about how I did.

1419
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, does does he get credit for bringing his dad along?

1420
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 1: I'd say yes, because that should help him and it

1421
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:12,640
Speaker 1: only helps so much last year. But I think their

1422
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: offensive line is the right direction. I'm more on the incomplete, like,

1423
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: I have my doubts. I know he got picked on

1424
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 1: once or twice. We're being a little like emotional behind

1425
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 1: the podium. I actually think if you watch his press

1426
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: conference and hear him speak, it's in his favor. I

1427
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: think he I think it comes across as an intelligent,

1428
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 1: like well thought out head coach and he's just got

1429
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,879
Speaker 1: to prove it. He was in a tough situation. It's incomplete.

1430
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: I think any and everyone else on this list has

1431
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 1: shown just a little more. We did it, We figured

1432
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 1: it out.

1433
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 2: JP.

1434
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,560
Speaker 1: We did not disagree too much either. I got to

1435
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: say I was wondering, like if you were just going

1436
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: to take some some coach that I wasn't that big

1437
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: a fan of at number four, and I was like,

1438
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: then it'll just be there for for all time, because

1439
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this every year. We're gonna take We're

1440
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: gonna take a look and see see how this how

1441
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,879
Speaker 1: this thing changes. I appreciate you JP.

1442
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 3: Of course, thank you for having me on.

1443
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, check out JP his latest thing on Espianation. I

1444
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: believe it was it was your girlfriend that helped rank

1445
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 1: the schedule release videos and you're putting her to work.

1446
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:16,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I outsourced this story.

1447
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 2: I got my girlfriend to help me rank the schedule

1448
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 2: release videos because as much as I love her and

1449
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 2: as great as she is, she does not have a

1450
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 2: lot of knowledge about sports. So one of the quotes

1451
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 2: in there is who is Ai speaking about the video

1452
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 2: that featured Alan Iverson?

1453
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 3: So I had to explain that bit to her.

1454
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 2: But she's awesome and she helped me build that list

1455
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 2: that I think is one hundred percent correct.

1456
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: Shout out to her, And yeah, that Bill's Ai video

1457
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: got got attention for some other reasons, if you know,

1458
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 1: you know, but I think the Titans won that one.

1459
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,640
Speaker 1: You might have come in last place in this coaching rankings,

1460
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: But my choice was the sky Rizzy Titans one that

1461
01:10:57,479 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 1: was having me and my.

1462
01:10:58,400 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 2: Son Walker just crack up.

1463
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: We will be back on Tuesday. You know what it is.

1464
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 1: It's the see you Next Tuesday crew, it's Colleen Wolf,

1465
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: it's Jordan Rodrigue. Really looking forward to that one. Thanks

1466
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: again to JP and uh yeah, when when we're making

1467
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 1: Bengals fan and Zach Taylor fans mad again, like you know,

1468
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: football scat