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Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning.

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Speaker 1: This is Laura. Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. You

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Speaker 1: may notice that something is a little bit different about

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Speaker 1: today's episode. For starters, it's going to be longer, and second,

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Speaker 1: it won't just be me talking. I have decided to

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Speaker 1: switch things up a little and about once a week,

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Speaker 1: I will be doing a longer episode of Before Breakfast,

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Speaker 1: often featuring a guest. We'll talk about how lots of

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Speaker 1: different people make the most of their time, sharing tips

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Speaker 1: that can hopefully help all of us take our days

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Speaker 1: from great to awesome. So today I am delighted to

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Speaker 1: welcome a very special first guest, Sarah hart Unger. Lots

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Speaker 1: of you may know her as the co host of

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Speaker 1: my other podcast, Best of Both Worlds, where we've been

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Speaker 1: talking to each other every week for seven years now.

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Speaker 1: So I figured she might go easy on me with

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Speaker 1: my first foray into hosting guest episodes with Before Breakfast,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to launch this new series getting some

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Speaker 1: tips from her, because, as you are going to hear,

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Speaker 1: she has a lot going on and handles her schedule

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Speaker 1: very well. So we're going to talk planning and mornings

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Speaker 1: and more so Sarah, Welcome to Before Breakfast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I did not

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Speaker 2: realize that I was the first guest of this series.

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Speaker 2: I'm super honored. And for those of you who also

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Speaker 2: listen to Best of Both Worlds, don't worry, you're not

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Speaker 2: like on the wrong podcast, but super excited to be here.

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Speaker 2: For those who don't know me, I am a physician.

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Speaker 2: I'm a pediatric endocrinologist. I work part time seeing patients

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Speaker 2: three times a week, and on my off days, I

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Speaker 2: am a podcaster and writer. I've been blogging at the

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Speaker 2: same kind of two thousand and five era website for

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Speaker 2: twenty years now, and I also host Best of Both

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Speaker 2: Worlds with Laura and have my own podcast project called

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Speaker 2: Best Laid Plans, which started in twenty twenty, all about

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Speaker 2: things related to planning. And I have a lot of

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Speaker 2: fun there, and yeah, lots of stuff going on. I

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Speaker 2: also have three kids, ages six, ten, and twelve. I

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Speaker 2: am married to another physician, a vascular surgeon named Josh,

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Speaker 2: and we live in South Florida.

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Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah, a lot of stuff going on, and

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Speaker 1: you know, she has systems for managing all of it,

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Speaker 1: which we're going to hear a little bit about. But

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Speaker 1: since this is called before Breakfast, I wanted you to

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Speaker 1: start with your morning routine because Sarah is kind of

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Speaker 1: the queen of morning routines. She has a morning routine

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Speaker 1: that starts early and features a lot of great stuff.

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Speaker 1: So Sarah, can you tell us about what tends to

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Speaker 1: happen on weekday mornings. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I'll just note that my morning

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Speaker 2: routine has shifted a lot in different phases of my life,

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Speaker 2: and I think this is a common theme about how

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Speaker 2: I like to live and do my planning, which is

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Speaker 2: that are going to be iterative and not necessarily kind

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Speaker 3: So right now, my kids are.

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Speaker 2: A little bit older, which opens up some time given

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Speaker 2: so I do get up pretty early.

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Speaker 3: So most of my clinical days, I get up.

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Speaker 2: Somewhere in the fours usually around four fifteen or four thirty.

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Speaker 2: I tend to do some reading during that time, briefly,

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Speaker 2: maybe ten pages of a nonfiction book that I'm working on.

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Speaker 2: I will do my planning for the day. So this

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Speaker 2: I identify what I want to get accomplished in terms

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Speaker 2: head out running. I run either by myself or with

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Speaker 2: It's pretty quick. I don't really linger in anyone task.

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Speaker 2: go so far as to say, like my hair, it

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Speaker 2: is very intentional to support my quick routines in that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so on your clinical days, when are you at

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Speaker 1: Well, that is quite a long morning routine. Why are

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Speaker 2: No one's gonna magically carve out an hour in the

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Speaker 2: And yet I know that if I'm doing that at

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Speaker 3: No, not at all.

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Speaker 2: So I have different routines for different days, which is

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Speaker 2: I've built in like a later start on one of

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Speaker 1: and I will be back with more with Sarah hart Hunger.

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Speaker 1: Well we are back. This is before Breakfast, and I

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Speaker 1: am interviewing Sarah hart Unger, who is a physician, a

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Speaker 1: on the podcast Best of Both Worlds. If you are

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Speaker 1: just joining this podcast wondering what is going on before

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Speaker 1: Breakfast is adding one longer episode each week where we

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Speaker 1: great to awesome. So Sarah has shared a lot about

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Speaker 1: her morning routine and how she makes space for marathon

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Speaker 1: training in the middle of her very, very busy life. So, Sarah,

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Speaker 2: My kids are older now and because of that, they

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Speaker 2: So I was very much stressed about how we would

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Speaker 2: And we'll talk about kind of some of the things

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, getting enough sleep is a challenge for many people,

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Speaker 1: and I remember that one of the ways you sort

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Speaker 1: created a realistic ideal week template where Sarah printed up

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Speaker 1: a sheet of paper that had all one hundred and

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Speaker 2: The template is based on planners that I know and love.

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Speaker 2: I can talk about planners all day, and I won't,

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Speaker 2: but I have certain weekly layouts that seem to serve

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Speaker 2: the one hundred and sixty eight hours on the week.

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Speaker 2: I feel it comes from both your work and then

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Speaker 2: also some from Michael Hyatt, who has this embedded in

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Speaker 2: his own line of planners, the Full Focused Planner. I

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Speaker 2: actually worked with a designer to create my own ideal

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Speaker 3: And it's a vertical.

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Speaker 2: Weekly, so you can basically see all the hours laid out,

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Speaker 2: kind of like electronic calendars are at well as well,

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Speaker 2: And I absolutely needed to do that for this season.

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Speaker 2: I actually tell people to do that every single season.

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Speaker 2: I think it's very helpful. But this was, like, I mean,

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Speaker 1: So Sarah, maybe you can tell our listeners one thing

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Speaker 3: Still makes sense to continue.

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Speaker 2: So just generally treating your life with a spirit of

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Speaker 1: That is so true. And you know, I've written a

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Speaker 1: then their entire morning routine is going to change as

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Speaker 1: the nature of life to change, And it's totally fine

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Speaker 1: which could be totally legitimate, and then you change and

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Speaker 1: you do something else. So I love that spirit of

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Speaker 1: iterative processes. Wonderful. So, Sarah, what are you looking forward

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll give you a short term and a long term.

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Speaker 2: My short term is that I'm excited to see what

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Speaker 2: I do with this Thursday night, and my kind of

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Speaker 2: work is usually I have an appointment to deal with

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Speaker 2: to have some uninterrupted hours in the evening time to

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Speaker 2: that and I'm excited about it. Emily long term excitement

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Speaker 2: really looking forward to that time spent with people. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people are a good use of time, I always say.

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Speaker 1: And your idea of taking one night off, I mean

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Speaker 1: this is another tip in general we can share with

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Speaker 1: class or I sing with a choir, these are things

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Speaker 1: that make you feel more like well, there's more to

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Speaker 1: may be, there's something for me too. So you think

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Speaker 2: I think I'm going to be doing a lot of

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Speaker 2: work for myself on that day, but I am still

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Speaker 2: looking forward to it because you know, I enjoy my

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Speaker 2: various projects.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a different kind of work, like you

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Speaker 1: can have that creative work, that sense of space in

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Speaker 2: Right exactly, I'll be able to come up with some

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Speaker 2: really deep and cool thoughts to put in my next newsletter.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, deep and cool thoughts. We're all about that. So, Sarah,

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Speaker 1: maybe you can just tell our listeners where they can

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Speaker 1: find you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I have that twenty year old blog which is

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Speaker 2: at the shoebox dot com, which is my initials s

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Speaker 2: h U t h E s h U box dot com.

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Speaker 2: That's where you can find links to all my podcast

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Speaker 2: episodes and pretty much everything I do, as well as

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Speaker 2: blog posts going back many many years. And then of

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Speaker 2: course you can find both podcasts wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Speaker 2: It's best of both Worlds with Laura vandercam and then

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Speaker 2: best Lead Plans Awesome.

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Speaker 1: Well, Sarah, thank you so much for joining us today

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Speaker 1: for this first interview of my series of interviews with

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Speaker 1: people about how they spend their time, how they make

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Speaker 1: the most of their time, how they take their days

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Speaker 1: from great to awesome. And for the Before Breakfast listeners

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Speaker 1: who are joining us for this first one, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for sticking with me in this new format.

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Speaker 1: You can let me know what you think. As always,

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Speaker 1: you can reach me at Laura at Laura vandercam dot

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Speaker 1: com and in the meantime, this is Laura. Thanks for listening,

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Speaker 1: and here's to making the most of our time. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening to Before Breakfast. If you've got questions, ideas,

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Speaker 1: or feedback, you can reach me at Laura at Laura

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