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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 2: And Rep.

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Speaker 3: Ronnie Jackson, who handed out drugs freely during President Trump's

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Speaker 3: White House tenure, is demanding Biden take a drug test

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Speaker 3: because shame is not a word in the MAGA dictionary.

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Speaker 3: We have such a great show for you today. Senator

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Speaker 3: Martin Heinrich stops by to talk to us about what

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Speaker 3: Then we'll talk to the acl u's Deirdre Shippling about

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Speaker 3: how they are fighting back against some of the worst

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Speaker 3: ruins in America. But first we have the host of

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Speaker 3: the Enemy's List, the Lincoln Project's own Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. It's Monday, so it's Rick Wilson Day.

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Speaker 2: Wally Jong Fast, I am delighted to join you once

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Speaker 2: again in this vale of tears, this wood of woe,

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Speaker 2: this eternal darkness.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things that everyone on the left

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Speaker 1: the fundraising gap. My takeaway from this is a little

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Speaker 1: he's raised a ton of money. But my question is

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Speaker 1: he had to spend one hundred million dollars on legal fees,

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Speaker 1: So how much of that money And even like RNC

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Speaker 2: Correct? Look, he has gigantic legal debts. And let's also

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Speaker 2: put this in perspective. Fifty million dollars this is from

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Speaker 1: Some are, some aren't. Because remember that Andrew Ross Sorkin

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But a lot of them that are writing checks

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Speaker 2: So yes, Trump raised a lot of money. I'm not

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Speaker 2: surprised why are people surprised it's not a big deal.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna burn through it like a maniac. He has

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Speaker 2: what happens here, guys, when it goes into Maga Inc.

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Speaker 2: Or when it goes into the Trump campaign. If you

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Speaker 2: reports like the XYZ Political Development Company in Delaware, which

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Speaker 2: to another LLC in the Cook Islands. And that's Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump's skim. He always takes a cut. He's taking. I

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Speaker 2: will bet you a third of that money that comes

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Speaker 1: Right, A lot of it will be spent at his

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Speaker 2: campaign at a grotesque pace. The second part of this

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Speaker 1: And Jesse pointed out that three million dollars of Trump

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Speaker 1: I mean, why assume criminality just because the guy has

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Speaker 2: Just because he's a criminal surrounded by criminals who crimes

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Speaker 2: That's correct. I go back to this over and over again.

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Speaker 2: The number of people who have you not processed the

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Speaker 1: It's funny because I was on Ari Melbourne Show with

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Speaker 1: these people who are chalons. Felantastic, Yes, felantastic. I want

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Speaker 1: But those libtards at Moody's.

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Speaker 2: For serious people looking at that, there was a I

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Speaker 2: The opposite is true. There won't be a sweeping economic

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm shocked that someone who's an abject moron who

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Speaker 1: But there are still very rich people who support him.

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Speaker 2: One hundred child support. You don't clean that shit up

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Speaker 1: I think Dave McCormick taking his jet from Westport, Connecticut.

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Speaker 2: I love that he commutes from Westport to his multimillion

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Speaker 1: Obviously, Dave McCormick has wanted to be a Senator from

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Speaker 1: He's so rich, Like, just move to fucking Pennsylvania. How

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Speaker 2: There are lovely places to live in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: I mean, or don't run for Senate from there.

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Speaker 2: There are extremely pleasant neighborhoods in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: No, No, there's.

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Speaker 2: Plenty of beautiful places on the main line.

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Speaker 4: That you live.

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Speaker 1: Jesse's like New Jersey, Pennsylvania. Karinas, I think it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's a terrible candidate. The guy with the

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Speaker 1: porn stash Hoofdy who lives in California but commutes to

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Speaker 2: You know, look, the idea that people live where they run.

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Speaker 2: It used to be something in America, where I believe.

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Speaker 2: I've made these ads before, and they used to work.

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Speaker 2: Shouldn't we have a senator for Wisconsin who really lives

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Speaker 2: in Wisconsin. That's why we're not voting for a carpetbagger

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Speaker 2: John Jones. I've made one hundred of those ads, right,

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Speaker 2: They used to work, And now, especially for Magas, it's

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Speaker 2: like we live in the universal manga nation. I just

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Speaker 2: I don't care. As long as he believes that Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump is golden and his piss smells like a river

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Speaker 2: of honey, I will support. They don't care anymore. I

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Speaker 2: think it's an affront to a representative democracy if you

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Speaker 2: don't live in the state you represent. I can tell

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Speaker 2: you one thing. Tommy Tuberville, who could just be confused. Okay,

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Speaker 2: he's not smart, he could be confused, but he lives

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Speaker 2: and pays taxes on his primary residence, which is homestead exempted,

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Speaker 2: which means that's your primary residence at a beautiful house

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Speaker 2: on thirty A down here in the Florida Panhandle. He

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Speaker 2: over in Destin. He doesn't live in Alabama. He doesn't

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Speaker 2: own property in Alabama. He doesn't in a home, an apartment,

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Speaker 2: And yet somehow in this country morons go Oh Tom A.

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Speaker 2: Tuberville is the greatest Alabama in the history of Alabama.

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Speaker 2: What the fuck?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not even clear that Tuberville is a real person.

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Speaker 1: Who even knows? Now, I'm just kidding, but he is

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Speaker 1: having him live there. Sorry, he really is a Florida man,

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Speaker 1: no offense or anything. Oh truly, thank you, Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 4: You are welcome as always. Have a very fine.

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Speaker 3: Martin Heinrich is this senior senator from New Mexico.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics Senator.

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Speaker 4: Himer, it's great to be here.

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Speaker 1: You've come to the Senate with a bump stock band

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Speaker 1: after the Supreme Court overruled the Trump bumpstock band. Talk

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Speaker 1: to me where we are and just sort of explain

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Speaker 1: the craziness of all this. I feel like it's important

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Speaker 1: to remember that this Supreme Court is really not normal

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Speaker 1: at all.

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Speaker 5: No, I think that's that's a fair description of things.

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Speaker 5: I started working on legislation to prohibit bump stocks after

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Speaker 5: the Las Vegas shooting. I sat down with Jeff Flake,

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Speaker 5: former Republican Senator from Arizona at the time. We drafted

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Speaker 5: legislation and introduced it. But we also encouraged the then

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Speaker 5: Trump administration to create an ATF rule prohibiting these things

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Speaker 5: because they effectively turn a semi automatic firearm into a

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Speaker 5: fully automatic firearm, which is something that we've all accepted

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Speaker 5: for one hundred years now, has been prohibited under US law.

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Speaker 5: So to see the Supreme Court reverse that was pretty shocking.

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Speaker 5: And to see so many at my Republican colleagues now

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Speaker 5: take that on as if it is normal that we

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Speaker 5: would allow fully automatic weapons under the Second Amendment is

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Speaker 5: pretty shocking.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I was glad to see you guys doing

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Speaker 1: this ban right away. Where are we with it?

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Speaker 5: Well, we tried to put it on the floor under

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Speaker 5: a rule called unanimous consent. It's where you just go

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Speaker 5: to the floor you ask unanimous consent to bring up

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Speaker 5: a piece of legislation. And so that was objected to

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Speaker 5: by one of my Republican colleagues. And now the next

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Speaker 5: step is to try to get floor time to put

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Speaker 5: it on the floor under the normal procedures, which would

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Speaker 5: require sixty votes to overcome up a filibuster.

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Speaker 1: Are there sixty votes for that?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 5: I don't know the answer to that question right now.

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Speaker 5: There were a lot of Republicans who expressed support for

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Speaker 5: prohibiting bump stocks after the Las Vegas shooting. Many of

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Speaker 5: them have now reversed horse When asked by journalists what

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Speaker 5: their position is today, a number of them have said,

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Speaker 5: you know, they support the Supreme Court's position on this,

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Speaker 5: which is pretty radical.

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Speaker 1: So you'll try that. There have been a number of

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Speaker 1: unanimous consent votes taken up in the Senate over the

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Speaker 1: last couple months. Can you talk about a few of them,

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Speaker 1: because I think they really kind of explain where Republicans

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Speaker 5: Well, obviously a lot of the action in the Senate

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Speaker 5: has been around things like birth control and IVF. We've

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Speaker 5: just seen the Republican Party drift further and further to

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Speaker 5: really centered around abortion. I don't think it's fair to

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Speaker 5: assume that today you can trust the modern Republican Party

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Speaker 5: to protect things as fundamental as access to birth control

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so crazy. One of the things that I

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Speaker 1: insane textualist case for machine guns. I mean, it doesn't

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Speaker 5: I was really shocked by this ruling. You have to

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Speaker 5: sort of twist yourself in knots to not accept the

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Speaker 5: fact that what these devices do. And we talk about

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Speaker 5: bump stocks, but it's a number of these things. There

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Speaker 5: are things called block switches as well, that you can

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Speaker 5: print on a three D printer and use on a

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Speaker 5: They're just incredibly dangerous. I'm a gun owner. I've been

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Speaker 5: a gun owner my entire life. I've grown up around firearms.

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Speaker 5: I grew up in a rural community where it was

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Speaker 5: very normal to own firearms, and so in no way

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Speaker 5: am I anti Second Amendment or anti firearm. You know,

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Speaker 5: my kids literally grew up mostly eating wild game that

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Speaker 5: it's shocking to me to see how you can take

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Speaker 5: because we saw the direct impacts of this in Las Vegas,

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Speaker 5: and there's just no legitimate use for these devices. Like

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Speaker 5: of tailor made for mass shootings. They're not particularly accurate,

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Speaker 5: really really fast. There's no constituency for that. I mean,

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Speaker 5: that's only really good for honestly mass shooting. I find

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Speaker 5: the ruling to be incredibly sort of contorted and just

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Speaker 1: So you you are from the great say of New Mexico,

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Speaker 5: So we've had a number of fires this spring, and

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Speaker 5: most of them had been relatively manageable.

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Speaker 4: We were able to get on top of them.

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Speaker 5: These last few fires in southern New Mexico, it was

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Speaker 5: The fire behavior is very, very challenging.

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Speaker 1: One of the things we interviewed Governor pull Us from Colorado,

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Speaker 1: that have the sort of the fire helicopters, I think

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Speaker 1: they're helicopters are better off is you have a very

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Speaker 5: Like that, you can really only effectively fight the scale

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Speaker 5: So luckily I've worked for years to help base something

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Speaker 5: other states. They often go to Arizona or even to Idaho,

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Speaker 5: but those assets are based out of Albuquerque, and so

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Speaker 5: we have had a lot of resources, both from fairly

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's more that can be done like

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Speaker 1: what that looks like.

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Speaker 5: So the biggest investments the Forest Service itself does not

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Speaker 5: They typically work, oftentimes through contracts with other entities to

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Speaker 5: Infrastructure Law and the Inflation Reduction Act. We're starting to

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Speaker 5: work really is effected. It's like, first you have to

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Speaker 5: reduce the fuel loads. You have to maintain those fuel

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Speaker 5: loads a low leveled through low level prescribed fire, not

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Speaker 5: be problematic. We've seen things dry out to the point

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Speaker 5: to where sometimes a standing tree, like a living under

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Speaker 5: a dried two by four at home depot. And so

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Speaker 5: we have to be much more careful about when we

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Speaker 5: use some of those tools today because they can get

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Speaker 5: out of hand, and we've lost whole communities as a

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Speaker 5: result of prescribed fire that even got out of control.

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Speaker 5: The conditions on the ground in these western forests are

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Speaker 5: really changing and it requires a much more aggressive response.

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Speaker 5: It requires a lot more thinning. We have funded that

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Speaker 5: at levels we've never seen before, but the need is

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Speaker 5: really acute. We have to find a way to protect

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Speaker 5: these forests in a very different environment than we were

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Speaker 5: in thirty or thirty five years ago.

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Speaker 1: New Mexico is a blue state, but it's a state

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Speaker 1: with a large Latino population. Has one sort of swingy

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Speaker 1: congressional seat in the state of your three congressional seats.

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you could talk about what you're seeing

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Speaker 1: on the ground, what people are concerned about. Are you

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Speaker 1: seeing any Biden policy is like, for example, this citizenship

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Speaker 1: for spouse's policy. Are you seeing anything that you think

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Speaker 1: is helping the Biden admin and the Biden campaign and

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Speaker 1: what it looks like on the ground.

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Speaker 5: In New Mexico, we've seen the same challenges that you know.

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Speaker 5: When COVID really messed up supply chains around the world,

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Speaker 5: it was inevitable that we are going to have inflation.

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Speaker 5: That was really painful. I think that the Biden administration

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Speaker 5: and our monetary policy has done a good job of

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Speaker 5: finally managing that back. But those inflationary pressures are baked.

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Speaker 4: In now and they are a.

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Speaker 5: Real real stress for families in New Mexico and around

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Speaker 5: the country. I think where the Biden administration where their

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Speaker 5: real strong suit is, is that the policies that they

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Speaker 5: put in place through things like the Inflation Reduction Act,

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Speaker 5: are creating great jobs in New Mexico and around the country.

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Speaker 5: Like we have seen a surge in manufacturing, both new

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Speaker 5: manufacturing moving to the state and also existing manufacturing places

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Speaker 5: like Array technologies that makes trackers for utility scale solar projects.

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Speaker 5: They're expanding as a result of those policies. The Chips

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Speaker 5: and Science Act that reinvested in American leadership and semiconductors

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Speaker 5: has led to Intel Corporate reinvesting in their factory in

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Speaker 5: New Mexico. Those are the things that I think the

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Speaker 5: Biden administration could really build a narrative around that is

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Speaker 5: close to what people care about in my state.

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Speaker 1: When you talk to people and they're talking about, you know,

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Speaker 1: a chips factory that's opened up, or semiconductor factory, I mean,

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Speaker 1: do voters know that this is from bin AIRA policies

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Speaker 1: or do they not necessarily put together where this is coming.

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Speaker 4: From across the board.

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Speaker 5: On average, most people don't realize that's a direct result

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Speaker 5: of policy. But that's what elections are about. Like, we

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Speaker 5: need to drive that narrative. We need to make it

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Speaker 5: happen through the advertisements that both the Biden campaign and

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Speaker 5: campaigns like mine do, and I certainly in New Mexico,

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Speaker 5: I will drive that narrative and I will connect the

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Speaker 5: dots for the voters because in our fragmented media environment today,

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Speaker 5: it's really hard for voters to connect dods. We have

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Speaker 5: to tell that story.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that Democrats will keep that congressional seed.

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Speaker 5: I'm optimistic about that congressional seat just because we have

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Speaker 5: such a good candidate there, Gabe Vesquez is doing everything right.

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Speaker 5: He is working incredibly hard. His opponent is very far

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Speaker 5: out of the mainstream, and so you know, if anybody

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Speaker 5: can keep that congressional seat.

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Speaker 1: It's gate That's really interesting. So I want to just

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Speaker 1: sort of ask you, as you know we are in

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Speaker 1: this like run up to the election, do you think

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Speaker 1: I mean, Republicans have made a lot of threats because

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Speaker 1: they're mad about Trump getting convicted. Can they really slow appointments?

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Speaker 1: I mean, will they be able to mess up Biden's

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Speaker 1: judges and what does that look like?

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Speaker 5: Can they slow things down? Yes, to be honest, they've

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Speaker 5: been doing that for a long time. We will grind

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Speaker 5: through those appointments and continue to appoint federal judges. That's

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Speaker 5: or to the mission of the Senate. We're going to

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Speaker 5: continue to do that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Senator.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's been great to talk with you.

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Speaker 3: Dear dress. Chiefling is the ACLU's chief political and advocacy officer.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast politics. Do you draw?

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Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: What is your title at the ACLU.

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Speaker 6: My title is Chief Political and Advocacy Officer.

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Speaker 1: Can you explain to us what the ACLU does and

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Speaker 1: what it used to do and just give us like

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Speaker 1: a two second sort of who you are and what

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Speaker 1: the ACLU is as an organization.

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Speaker 6: So the ACLU, the American Civil Liberties Union, is an

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Speaker 6: organization that's more than one hundred years old, and it

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Speaker 6: actually started as a group of activists that we're organizing

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Speaker 6: protests against overreach by the government to restrict free speech

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Speaker 6: and restrict people's rights and liberties to express themselves. So

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Speaker 6: that was sort of of its beginning. It eventually became

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Speaker 6: an organization that has affiliates in every single state in

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Speaker 6: this country, so there's an ACLU in every state in

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Speaker 6: addition to the national and it became known for being

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Speaker 6: a very powerful litigation shop. It is known for being

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Speaker 6: sort of an activist law firm, if you will. But

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Speaker 6: a part of the ACLU that may be less known

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Speaker 6: but is increasingly a big piece of the work that

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Speaker 6: the organization does is its advocacy and political work, and

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Speaker 6: that is sort of going back to its roots kind

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Speaker 6: of where it came from as an organization, and this

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Speaker 6: part of the work is around trying to pass pieces

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Speaker 6: of legislation that would protect civil rights and civil liberties,

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Speaker 6: both at the federal and at the state level. We

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Speaker 6: do a lot of work around passing ballot initiatives and

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Speaker 6: states where legislation is not possible, we do work to

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Speaker 6: educate voters about the difference between candidates on civil rights

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Speaker 6: and civil liberty so that they can make informed choices

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Speaker 6: where a non partisan organization, we don't endorse, but we

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Speaker 6: do do hard hitting, sharp and clear voter education work

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Speaker 6: around candidates, and we do a lot of grassroots organizing.

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Speaker 6: The organization as a whole has over six million grassroots

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Speaker 6: dues paying members, and we mobilize those folks to show

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Speaker 6: up at state houses, to lobby their elected officials, to

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Speaker 6: come to rallies at the Supreme Court, other actions that

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Speaker 6: really show where the public is.

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Speaker 1: So I would love it if you could explain to us,

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Speaker 1: For example, there is a Louisiana and its infinite insanity

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Speaker 1: just past the law that says that the Ten Commandments

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Speaker 1: must be visible in every school classroom. What do you

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Speaker 1: do there?

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Speaker 6: Well, we are suing because it's a clear violation of

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Speaker 6: the division between church and state in this country, which

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Speaker 6: is long standing. Louisiana did that as a way to

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Speaker 6: galvanize its base and kind of push envelope right, not

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Speaker 6: expecting that it would actually stand. But I think, you know,

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Speaker 6: this is part of a bigger trend of really trying

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Speaker 6: to reset the fundamental rules of our democracy. And you know,

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Speaker 6: I think I don't know if you followed, but the

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Speaker 6: you know, there's recently an expose on Samuel Alito being

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Speaker 6: asked questions around this, around going back to a country

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Speaker 6: that is oddly and going back to sort of a

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Speaker 6: more traditional Christian country, and he admitted on record that

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Speaker 6: that was what he wanted, which is caused such a

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Speaker 6: huge public outcry because it really goes to the heart

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Speaker 6: of what our country is supposed to be about, which

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Speaker 6: is freedom of religion, you know, freedom of action. Right.

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Speaker 6: We're supposed to be a multicultural, multi racial country, and

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Speaker 6: this really is challenging the fundamental compact that this country

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Speaker 6: was based on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, talk to me about another case you guys are

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Speaker 1: working on, which is histalities.

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Speaker 6: And TALA is an abbreviation for the Emergency Medical Treatment

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Speaker 6: and Labor Act which is a long standing federal law

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Speaker 6: that requires any hospital with an emergency room that receives

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Speaker 6: federal Medicare funds, which is most hospitals in this country,

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Speaker 6: to provide stabilizing treatment to anyone who comes to the

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Speaker 6: hospital experiencing a medical emergency. Right. So, the idea is,

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Speaker 6: you don't let people die. Anybody comes into the emergency

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Speaker 6: room gets stabilizing treatment. And so Idaho has decided to.

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Speaker 1: Exempt that you do let people die.

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Speaker 6: Right, exempt pregnant women from receiving this stabilizing treatment if

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Speaker 6: that stabilizing treatment includes abortion. And so it is essentially

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Speaker 6: they'll let women die in a parking lot law that

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Speaker 6: Idaho has tried to pass. And the Supreme Court is

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Speaker 6: considering this exemption of Idaho from Intella right now. Furthermore,

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Speaker 6: the Supreme Court could have put a stay to this

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Speaker 6: law with I could have said, keep providing stabilizing care

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Speaker 6: to patients as they come into the hospital until we

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Speaker 6: make a decision. The Supreme Court decided not to do

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Speaker 6: that to let Idaho go forward and implement this law,

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Speaker 6: this quite barbaric law, and as a result, six patients

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Speaker 6: already with pregnancy related medical emergencies have been turned away

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Speaker 6: have had to figure out a way to go to

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Speaker 6: a different state to receive the kind of emergency treatment

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Speaker 6: that they needed. And medical experts estimate that this will

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Speaker 6: be around twenty people by the end of the year.

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Speaker 6: So this is a law that is actually having real

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Speaker 6: impact on real people right now in Idaho. And if

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Speaker 6: the Supreme Court allows Idaho to discriminate against pregnant women

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Speaker 6: this way, we expect others state we'll try to follow suit.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that people are coming up with crazier

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Speaker 1: and crazier things because they know that the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: is willing to entertain crazier and crazier things.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Will you talk us through what that looks like, because

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Speaker 1: it seems as if some of this stuff, I mean,

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Speaker 1: like the Louisiana situation, feels like they know they have

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Speaker 1: a Supreme Court that's in the tank for them, and

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Speaker 1: so that's where we're going.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I think so. And I think to understand the

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Speaker 6: kind of race to the bottom, if there is a

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Speaker 6: bottom that is happening right now, we also have to

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Speaker 6: understand the attempts that are happening simultaneously to erode fundamental

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Speaker 6: tenets of democracy, things like every person can vote as

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Speaker 6: the right to vote and have their will be talented

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Speaker 6: things like having fair districts that are representative, so that

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Speaker 6: you have elected officials who are accountable to their voters.

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Speaker 6: Kind of basic precepts that we have based our democracy on,

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Speaker 6: or that are our democracy is aspirationally based on being eroded.

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Speaker 6: And when we erode those kinds of checks and balances,

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Speaker 6: then we do see this crazier and crazier kind of

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Speaker 6: race to the fringe, and we see politicians acting way

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Speaker 6: out of sync with the majority of voters. And I'll

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Speaker 6: just draw your attention to a very recent poll out

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Speaker 6: of Kaiser Family Foundation which found that out of all

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Speaker 6: women voters, so Republicans, Independents, Democrats, at everybody, all women voters,

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Speaker 6: eighty six percent of women voters support laws that protect

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Speaker 6: access to abortion for patients who are experiencing pregnancy related

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Speaker 6: emergencies eighty six percent. So it just is one example,

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Speaker 6: and there are a million other examples like this. Ninety

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Speaker 6: five percent of Americans in our country support access to

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Speaker 6: birth control. And yet right when Democrats in the US

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Speaker 6: seidate brought the Access to Contraception Bill protecting access to

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Speaker 6: contraception bill to the floor, just a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 6: almost all Republicans voted against it, and we're seeing this

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Speaker 6: over and over again. So it doesn't stop at abortion.

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Speaker 6: Abortion is just sort of the entry point the restrictions

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Speaker 6: and the attempts to kind of roll back what I

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Speaker 6: consider a fundamental equality, you know, the ability to make

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Speaker 6: your own life choices, the ability to control your body,

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Speaker 6: to control whether or not you become pregnant, when you

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Speaker 6: become pregnant, how many children to have, like all of

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Speaker 6: these sort of very fundamental life choices which are core

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Speaker 6: to having a society where people are equal, where people

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Speaker 6: are free. This is all being attempted to being rolled

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Speaker 6: back by the right, and it doesn't It starts with abortion,

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Speaker 6: it extends to birth control, it extends to IVF, and

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Speaker 6: I don't think there is any end point. There is

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Speaker 6: no bottom. It extends no fault divorce, right, that's another

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Speaker 6: item that's on the list, fealing no fault divorce. You know,

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Speaker 6: pretty soon we're going to be seen laws that you know,

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Speaker 6: require women to get their husbands or their father's permission

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Speaker 6: to do a variety of things that people are used

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Speaker 6: to doing right now. So I do think there is

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Speaker 6: no bottom to it, and that's why it's important to

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Speaker 6: have a really strong representative democracy.

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Speaker 1: What else are you seeing that is on your radar

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Speaker 1: that's freaking you out?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think this idea of normalizing using the

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Speaker 6: Comstock law.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, talk about Comstock. I want you to sort

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Speaker 1: of give us the uh Comstock history a little bit.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 6: Anthony Comstock was as zealot, a religious zelic who lived

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Speaker 6: in the eighteen hundreds and was really focused on what

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Speaker 6: he called anti obscenity, very focused on pornography and kind

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Speaker 6: of you know, making it illegal to send pornography through

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Speaker 6: the mail, making it illegal to disseminate pornography. That's what

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Speaker 6: he was mainly focused on. So the Comstock Law was

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Speaker 6: passed in the mid eighteen hundreds. This is a law

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Speaker 6: that is now being raised by the right as sort

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Speaker 6: of a backdoor abortion ban. They are interpreting it to

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Speaker 6: mean that it can cover any kind of medication, abortion,

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Speaker 6: birth control, any kind of tools that could be used

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Speaker 6: in an abortion, which, by the way, are the same

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Speaker 6: kind of tools that one would use with miscarriage hair.

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Speaker 6: Because this law is already on the books but hasn't

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Speaker 6: been enforced in more than one hundred years. They are

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Speaker 6: trying to resuscitate it and turn it into a legal

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Speaker 6: architecture for what is essentially a back door abortion ban.

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Speaker 6: So what it would allow them to do is instead

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Speaker 6: of actually just passing a federal ban on all abortion,

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Speaker 6: which is what they want to do, they could just say, well,

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Speaker 6: we're going to start we're seeing the Comstock law, and

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Speaker 6: this is what that means. It means regulation of any

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Speaker 6: kind of abortifations. Medication abortion is the most common way

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Speaker 6: for people across our country to access abortion. It's been

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Speaker 6: used for more than twenty years, been used by many

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Speaker 6: millions of people. It's extremely safe, and it is a

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Speaker 6: way of accessing abortion that's very important for people, especially

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Speaker 6: in rural areas or right now who live in states

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Speaker 6: where it's hard to get care. And one strategy of

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Speaker 6: the right is to use the Comstock Law as a

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Speaker 6: way to prevent women across the country from accessing medication abortion.

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Speaker 6: And so that's something that I'm deeply worried about. It's

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Speaker 6: something that the Trump campaign has certain advisors to the

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Speaker 6: Trump campaign have been openly talking about.

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Speaker 1: And two Supreme Court justices right Alito and Thomas.

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Speaker 6: Exactly, so we know that this is not want a

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Speaker 6: theoretical threat is this could be a very real threat,

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Speaker 6: even though our position is there's no legal basis for it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is there anything proactive you can do about

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Speaker 1: the Comstock Act?

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Speaker 6: Well, there is an effort to repeal it. Tita Smith

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Speaker 6: and other elected officials in Congress have introduced are introducing

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Speaker 6: today actually a bill to repeal the Comstock Act. I

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Speaker 6: do think in the kind of hyperpartisan environment that we're

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Speaker 6: in in Congress right now, I think, you know, we'll

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Speaker 6: have to see kind of what the path forward for

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Speaker 6: that is. But I do think that eventually we want

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Speaker 6: to be in a place where the Comstock Law is

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Speaker 6: off the books.

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Speaker 1: Such a completely insane sort of country we're living, how

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Speaker 1: else is the ACL you protecting our rights?

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Speaker 6: So, in addition to our litigation arm and we are

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Speaker 6: suing on all kinds of things to protect rights and

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Speaker 6: liberties across the country, we're also working to advance rights

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Speaker 6: and liberties by passing proactively a federal right to an abortion.

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Speaker 6: So we're working with coalition of organizations reproductive rights, health

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Speaker 6: and justice organizations through a coalition to pass federal protections

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Speaker 6: for access to abortion. We're also working to pass democracy reform,

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Speaker 6: specifically the John Lewis Voting Rights Act, the Freedom to

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Speaker 6: Vote Act. We're supporting filibuster reform so that we kind

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Speaker 6: of remove that obstacle from passing the kind of proactive

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Speaker 6: legislation that the American people want. The filibusters along been

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Speaker 6: used as a way to prevent anything from happening, as

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Speaker 6: opposed to using it in the way that it was intended,

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Speaker 6: which is, you know, slow things down, discuss, but don't

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Speaker 6: stop all action. So those are two top priorities for us,

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Speaker 6: our voting rights and democracy legislation and passing the federal

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Speaker 6: right to abortion. The other area that we're really focused

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Speaker 6: on is protections for transgender people. There have been more

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Speaker 6: than five hundred pieces of legislation introduced in states across

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Speaker 6: the country to restrict transgender people's access to healthcare, ability

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Speaker 6: to participate in sports, ability to be part of society,

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Speaker 6: use bathrooms, you know, all kinds of things. And I

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Speaker 6: think the solution for this is at the federal level

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Speaker 6: to protect the right of transgender people to exist and

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Speaker 6: to access to health care they need. And then finally,

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Speaker 6: we're really focused on shifting gears a little bit immigration reform,

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Speaker 6: and really supporting legislation that would provide a path to

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Speaker 6: citizenship for people who are already here as well as

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Speaker 6: people who are coming, as well as the resources to

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Speaker 6: manage the border in an orderly way, in a fair way,

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Speaker 6: so that people are not waiting seven eight years to

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Speaker 6: have their asylum claims decided. You know, a better approach

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Speaker 6: to border management and a better approach to providing a

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Speaker 6: path to citizenship for immigrants who are here.

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Speaker 1: Can you just do one second on Trump's deportation squads,

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Speaker 1: because that's one of the many completely insane things he

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Speaker 1: has going is planning for.

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Speaker 6: Yes, So this is one of the many threats to

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Speaker 6: civil rights and civil liberties that the future Trump administration

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Speaker 6: has promised to enact, and that is mass deportations. So

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Speaker 6: that would look like detention camps all over the country.

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Speaker 6: It would look like deputizing states police forces to round

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Speaker 6: up and deport immigrants, many of whom have been here

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Speaker 6: for years and years, who have families. It would tear

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Speaker 6: families apart, and it would violate people's civil rights in

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Speaker 6: all kinds of ways. It's a real specter of a

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Speaker 6: descent into an authoritarian regime, which I think none of

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Speaker 6: us want so Yes, that is one of the kind

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Speaker 6: of very dramatic and drastic measures that the Trump campaign

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Speaker 6: has threatened to do in a future Trump administration, which

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Speaker 6: we are fighting to the now.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, dear tru Thank you so much a moment,

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Molli Jong fast, are you prepared for the moment

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Speaker 2: of fuckery?

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Speaker 1: I am prepared. I am prepared and prepared.

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Speaker 2: My body is ready for that moment of fuckery.

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Speaker 6: Le tire, baby, Mollie.

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Speaker 2: My moment of fuckery occurred in the isolated frontier province

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Speaker 2: of the Islamic state of Louisiana, Stan, in which Imam

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Speaker 2: Jeff Landry, the High Moa of Louisiana Stan, declared that

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Speaker 2: the Hadith of the Quran would be posted in every

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Speaker 2: single classroom in Louisiana Stan. Oh wait, I'm sorry, let

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Speaker 2: me reverse that, because if it had been a Muslim

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Speaker 2: in say, dearborn Michigan putting the Hadith in classrooms, Fox

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Speaker 2: News would be burning the world to the crown and

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Speaker 2: Republicans would be rioting in the streets. But instead it

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Speaker 2: was Governor Jeff Landry who, in the latest escalation of

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Speaker 2: the culture War, decided that he was going to pass

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Speaker 2: a piece of legislation through the GOP controlled Louisiana legislature

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Speaker 2: to demand the unconstitutional and illegal posting of the Ten

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Speaker 2: Commandments in every public school classroom. They even picked the

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Speaker 2: size of the posters and the font because they didn't

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Speaker 2: want anybody playing any games with their sacred, with their

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Speaker 2: sacred Christian commandments that were passed down in the Old

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Speaker 2: Testament by Moses, a Jew. They don't understand the Constitution.

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Speaker 2: They don't for a moment understand why the founders of

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Speaker 2: this country, and I don't mean the goddamn retroactively rewritten

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Speaker 2: revisionist history Glenn Beck style founders who you know, if

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Speaker 2: you listen to Glenn Beck, they all wanted to I

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Speaker 2: ford mustangs and go to prayer meetings on Sunday. But

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Speaker 2: the founders of this country, they believe that forbidding the

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Speaker 2: establishment of a state religion was so important they put

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Speaker 2: it in the very first paragraph of the very first

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Speaker 2: Amendment to the Constitution textullus. Yeah, this bullshit from Republicans.

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Speaker 2: I'm a constitutional originalist and I believe with the founders

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Speaker 2: what it is sacred. Apparently they don't believe that, because

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Speaker 2: now you've got a lot of magas well. Of course

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Speaker 2: we should be doing that. We're a Christian nation after all.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry people who say there's no Christian nationalism, there's

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Speaker 2: no culture war. There lying evidence is right in front

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Speaker 2: of you once again in the Islamic extremeist state of Louisianastan.

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Speaker 1: My moment is this Ted CRU's documents dump, where you're

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Speaker 1: found a folder of briefing documents on Ted Cruz donors

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Speaker 1: in the Senate. He then shared the photos of those

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Speaker 1: documents in seven posts, which were all removed from the

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Speaker 1: platform owned by free speech absolutist Elon mush.

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Speaker 2: Why am I not surprised that the king of free

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Speaker 2: speech doesn't like seeing free speed about the guy who's

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Speaker 2: a senator from the state where boy Elon builds his rockets.

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Speaker 1: I'm shocked, Molly, not surprised, shocked.

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Speaker 2: I tell you.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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