1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Body times. But Joseph's gotten more. You know. I got 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: to tell you, I don't necessarily run in the circles 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: of rich folks. I never have. I don't come from 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of wealth or anything like that. My family's been, 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 1: you know, on the North American continent, I guess, since 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: sixteen hundreds. But whoever was in charge of acquiring wealth 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: in my family, they failed miserably, so none of that 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: was ever passed on to me. I've certainly never been 9 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: around folks that can afford to have a I don't know, 10 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: you know, with them stay at home nannies or they 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: call them an a pair, you know, to watch after 12 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: the young folks, take care of the babies for you. 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: Never understood that. I don't know. I guess. I guess 14 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: people have the ability to do that. My family never 15 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: did that. Plus, I love taking care of my own youngness. 16 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: Love taking care of my grandbabies too. I don't want 17 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: to hand them off somebody. But that's just me. But 18 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: you know, there's a case that has been going on 19 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: for some time, and I've had a lot of you 20 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: guys ask me about my opinion regarding regarding this case. 21 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: In the I R SI agent who's now on trial 22 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: for his life because of the forensics here, because the 23 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: forensics are so odd in this case, and this case 24 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: involves many things that we talk about, you know, in 25 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: the forensic world, specifically crumbing, staging, you know, which is 26 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: a discipline all in of itself. So today on Bodybacks, 27 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 1: as the case up in up in Virginia is going 28 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: on right now of this man who Brendan Banfield, who 29 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: fact is an I R. S Agent, he's on trial 30 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: for his life. Let's dig into this a little bit. 31 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: And it's peak my curiosity, that is for sure. So 32 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: without further ado, guess what. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and 33 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:12,839 Speaker 1: this is Bodybacks. Brother, Dave, I don't know about you. 34 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: I never had folks take care of my of my 35 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: youngins for me, I mean, family, you know, would watch 36 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: them periodically, but it was it was me and Kimmy. 37 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: I've never really understood these folks that, you know, sign 38 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: up to take care of other peoples. It's one thing 39 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: to clean up the mess of your own kids, but 40 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: to clean up the mess of somebody else's kids, it's 41 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: just it's it's something different for me, and it's something 42 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: I can't identify with it. But if you have enough money, 43 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: you know you could, you know you can afford to 44 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: do that. 45 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: Well, here's what we've got. 46 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 3: Friends, We actually have an ir S Special agent that 47 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 3: means he carries a gun, Brendan Banfield. We have the 48 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 3: all pair for Brendan and his wife Christine, who is 49 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: Juliana Perez Magales at time twenty three years old. Christine 50 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 3: Banfield is thirty seven, by the way. And then we 51 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 3: got a guy, a guy named Joseph Ryan. He is 52 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 3: not connected to this before the event takes place, really, 53 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 3: and what happens is on the morning where we are 54 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 3: now almost three years removed from when this happened. 55 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: God is it been three years? 56 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 3: February twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, police are called to 57 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: the Banfield home for a stabbing and a shooting around 58 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: eight o'clock in the morning. Give or take, I say, 59 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 3: give or take. We'll get into vent a little bit. 60 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: There were actually there was more than one call made. 61 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 3: And I'm gonna be honest with you. When there's more 62 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: than one nine one one call made from a residence 63 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 3: and you've got dead bodies, somebody didn't have their story straight. 64 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking, yeah, it's one thing. 65 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: Hey, look I got to I can I just make 66 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: a point here. It's one thing, And I'm glad you 67 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: brought this up, because you know, it's one thing if 68 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: you're working a case and you've got multiple ear witnesses 69 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: or you've got multiple eyewitnesses to say something takes place 70 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: in front of a home in view of everyone, or 71 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: something of running gun battles going down the street, and yeah, 72 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: you might get multiple nine to one one calls you know, 73 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: that are coming in from all these different locations. As 74 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, we could go back and talk 75 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: about you know, the surgeon the surgeon case up in Ohio. 76 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: Remember how the nine one one operator acted, you know 77 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: when they call that thing in and they had multiple 78 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: people that the dentist. 79 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 3: Murdy where there were so many family members and coworkers 80 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 3: and friends that didn't couldn't get them on the phone. 81 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 3: So they went to the house and they're calling nine 82 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 3: to one one and the nine one one operators talked 83 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 3: to somebody from there. Cops have already been out there, 84 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: leave us basically, leave us alone. But that's not the 85 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 3: case here. Well we have here is we've got a house, 86 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 3: we got a domestic scene where you have a wife 87 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 3: and a husband and their four year old daughter and 88 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 3: they're all pair. Now, the all pair was taking the 89 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 3: four year old somewhere that day, the zoo or whatever 90 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 3: in a. 91 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: Planet ruin the National Zoo man. 92 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 3: A planned day trip. And again, Maga Lees is not 93 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 3: from the United States of America. She's in her early 94 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 3: twenties and she's here as an all pair. Now inside 95 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 3: the home, what police find are two bodies and they're 96 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 3: killed differently too. One is shot and the other is stabbed. 97 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: But here's a story that they were told. Okay, which 98 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 3: Joe every now and again when a story is told 99 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: and it doesn't make sense, you know, and you're thinking, 100 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 3: you're smart enough to be an IRS agent carrying a 101 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 3: gun and a badge, And this is what you came 102 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 3: up with. Where are you spending your time, not in 103 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 3: a library, not watching crime shows? You thought this up 104 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 3: talking to a twenty year old girl, I guess, because 105 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 3: it doesn't. This is not the plan of an adult. 106 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 3: They so they get the police get there and they 107 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 3: find Christine Banfield, the wife of Brendan. She's nude and 108 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 3: she's stabbed multiple times in an upstairs bedroom nearby, they 109 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 3: find a man named Joseph Ryan and he is shot 110 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 3: multiple times. Inside the house at the time of the shooting, 111 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 3: Brendan Banfield along with the family's all pair Julianna Marga Lees, 112 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 3: and the Banfield's four year old daughter. Okay, that's how 113 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 3: many people you got in the house at the same time. 114 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 3: Five people, two are dead. So who did the stabbing, 115 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 3: who did the shooting? That's what Joseph Scott Morgan has 116 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 3: to be able to tell us, because Joe, they didn't 117 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 3: walk out of there in handcuffs with anybody at first. 118 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 2: It took time. 119 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 3: This happened again February twenty fourth, twenty twenty three. 120 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, let me let me address one more thing too. 121 00:06:54,800 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: In this particular case, you got an IRS agent, specially agent, 122 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: and they are living and look granted, I know, okay, 123 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: So if you're in federal service and I might be 124 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: stepping way outside of my you know of my Baileywick here. 125 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: But if you live in a specific area and you're 126 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: working for the FEDS and they have assigned you there, 127 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: they will provide you with specific funds to kind of 128 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: balance out, to kind of balance out, you know, the 129 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,119 Speaker 1: downside of being a government employee so that you can live, 130 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: you know, in a particular location. But dude, this house 131 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: they're living in is worth a million bucks. Now, I 132 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: don't know about you. I got a lot of friends 133 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: in law enforcement colleagues. I've got people i've taught, I've 134 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: got a lot of former students that are federal agents 135 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: now literally all over the world. They're working in embassies. 136 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: I got guys that are are FBI agents that that 137 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: work abroad and all over the country. And to a person, 138 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: I don't know of any of them, particularly those that 139 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: are still in the field, maybe those that have retired 140 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: and have developed, you know, security companies and that sort 141 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: of thing. I don't know of any of them that 142 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: hold a million dollar crib man, because you know, and 143 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: I'm just you know, I'm sitting here and when I 144 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: heard that number, I was shocked by it because I 145 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: don't know what the actual salary scale is, but you know, 146 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: it just seemed that that part of it in and 147 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: of itself, I'm thinking, man, how can you afford this? Now? 148 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Maybe he's a great investor, 149 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: maybe they're family money or something like that, but not 150 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: only do you have do you have a million dollar home, 151 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: You've got an a pair, you know, that's that's that's 152 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: something that you know, you're thinking that somebody that lives 153 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: in Manhattan, you know, near Central Park, or you know 154 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: somebody that's up in I don't know, in Rhode Island 155 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: along the coast, or you know, up in Connecticut along 156 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: because they've got all pairs but Virginia and you're an 157 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: IRS special agent a million bucks. It just it, I 158 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: don't know the whole thing. To me, it was just 159 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: it was shocking. And again maybe I'm just chasing rabbits, 160 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: but it just it seemed a bit off to me. 161 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 3: Well, when you get down to the nitty gritty here 162 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 3: and Joe, I know that because of the scene that 163 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: the the death investigator is going to have to really 164 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 3: work hard to put together where the bodies were, you know, 165 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 3: what actually transpired, based on the forensics, what happened. Because 166 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 3: what we have, I can give you the overall story 167 00:09:54,880 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 3: of what the defense is pulling together, but that's something 168 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 3: that has to be decided based on the forensics. Show 169 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 3: and we're not talking just the blood evidence or just 170 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 3: the gun residue or the knife fingerprints on the knife. 171 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 3: We're actually going to talk a little bit about the 172 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 3: forensic digital evidence, yes, because that comes into play as well. 173 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 3: And during the time that this case was being investigated, 174 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 3: we covered the story right when it happened. I remember 175 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 3: covering it because you had, again the all pair involved 176 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 3: in a story with and you got the pretty girl 177 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 3: watching the four year old, you got the thirty eight 178 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 3: year old wife. But one of the things Joe that 179 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 3: came out of this was very quickly after the death 180 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 3: of his wife. Of when Brendan Banfield's wife is dead, 181 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 3: the all pair moves into the master bedroom and hanks 182 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 3: her clothes in the closet of Brendan Manfield's dead wife. 183 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 3: The all pair takes the position that the wife had 184 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 3: been in. That happened very quickly, and we're talking two 185 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 3: or three months after the deaths occurred. So the story 186 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 3: that they tried to sell to the police was that 187 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 3: Joseph Ryan was on a fetish website and that Missus Banfield, 188 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 3: Christine Banfield, was also on this fetish website. And on 189 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:36,599 Speaker 3: this fetish website she said she wanted to be raped violently. 190 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 3: And I'm sure these types of websites exist. I don't 191 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 3: know that for a fact, I'm telling you that right up. 192 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 3: I do not know that for a fact. I've never 193 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 3: eyeballed one. I've never been on one. I just know 194 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 3: that we've covered stories and they're there. So Joseph Ryan, 195 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 3: thirty nine years old, answers the fetish website, I'll come 196 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 3: and do that. 197 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 2: I will be there to rape you. What time and where? 198 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 3: And so Joseph Ryan shows up to commit this violent 199 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 3: rape against Christine Banfield. And at that time that morning, 200 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 3: the pair was supposed to be with the four year 201 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 3: old head to the zoo. And I'm guessing that Brandan 202 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 3: Maanfield was supposed to be honest way to work. 203 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And that's the way it went down. And 204 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: you know, they're trying to get people to buy into 205 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: this idea that this is something that that the wife, 206 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: Christine had planned, and because you know, you talk about 207 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: something that's I mean, we're talking about going down a 208 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: really really dark path here. Brother. You know, an individual, 209 00:12:54,559 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: a mama that is I don't you know, say what 210 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: you will about me. I don't put anything past dudes 211 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: when it comes to sexual interest or proclivities. And but 212 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 1: when you're talking about a mother that's living in suburban 213 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: Virginia like this, and you're trying to sell me on 214 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: the idea that she wants this stranger to come in 215 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: into her home and into I don't know, I guess 216 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: the marriage bedroom and though it's you know, it's I 217 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: don't know, role playing, I guess she's asking to be raped, 218 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: and Dave, not just raped, but this idea of violence 219 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: comes into it. And for me, I think that as 220 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: an investigator, you know, when when the investigators would you know, 221 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: begin to try to wrap their brain around this and 222 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: they're looking at the life that these people lead. You know, 223 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: we talk a lot in this world that we're in, Dave, 224 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: about victim blaming, don't we You know you hear that 225 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: a lot and the old adage that the you know 226 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: that the dead can't speak up from himself, and you're right, 227 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: how how do you first off, how do you disprove it? 228 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: As an investigator? How do you prove it? Because either 229 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: way you got to do it, and they would have 230 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: spent a tremendous amount of time, uh trying to understand 231 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: did she did she have a background in this kind 232 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: of fetishized world? You know that people you know that 233 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: people in twelve and listen I've worked cases. I've worked 234 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: cases at I had one guy I know, in particular 235 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. I'll go and tell a story of he 236 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: would go to He would go to what they used 237 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: to call lingerie shops in Atlanta. I don't know if 238 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: they still exist, and and he would wear and this 239 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: guy in particular, he was wearing And the reason I 240 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: know why he was wearing this is because I found 241 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: out about it when I went to examine his body 242 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: at the hospital. He was wearing his wife's underwear when 243 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: he rolled in in cardiac arrests from one of these 244 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: lingerie shops. And the lingerie shop is not really they'll 245 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: sell you lingerie, but you're interacting with the model inside 246 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: of the lingerie shop and they put on a show 247 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: quote unquote air quotes here for you to model the 248 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: underwear that you can purchase. 249 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you have an address in Atlanta. 250 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: No, And I would not give it, I hope, because 251 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: I had more than one death that came out of 252 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: this place, and that's kind of a fetishized thing. But 253 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: you know, when we examined him at the because interestingly enough, 254 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: I had the in anytime an emergency room, charging her 255 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: tells you, and she knew me by name because I'd 256 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: worked a lot of cases and that had wound up 257 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: at this particular emergency room. She says, this is probably 258 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: going to be a natural death, but you need to 259 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: come here and see this. And I'm thinking I got 260 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: other stuff to do, but she's telling if an eer nurse, 261 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: a charged nurse tells you to do that. So I 262 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: go to the emergency room and she takes me back 263 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: into the exam room where this guy has died and 264 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: he's purple. From the Nippo line up, you can tell 265 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: he's in congested failure. But she said, come over here, 266 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: look at this, and she pulls back the sheet and 267 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: sure enough, he is wearing what turned out to be 268 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: two pair of his wife's underwear panties, if you will, 269 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: And then she pulls them back right, pulls them back 270 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: and down beneath his equipment. You could see two white 271 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: strings hanging out of his rear end. And he had taken, 272 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: let me see, how can I put this politely? Two 273 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: of his wives in products and inserted them and I'll 274 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: never forget. We went back and this girl that he 275 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: was in the room with at the lingerie shop said 276 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: he was doing his thing. I was taking my clothes off, 277 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: and he was, you know, stimulating himself, and he suddenly 278 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: turned purple and started vomiting and he had heart attack 279 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: right there. And she was Russian. I'll never forget that. 280 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: And you know, through broken English, you know she's telling 281 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: she's terrified, you know, because she thinks that the cops 282 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: are going to arrest he or whatever. 283 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 2: Said Russian. I thought, you miss she was hurrying. 284 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, no, no, no, she was not rushing. She 285 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: was Russian. And so yeah, it runs a gamut. I 286 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: could tell you stories right now about people that I've 287 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: worked cases where people were involved in fetishism that have 288 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: in fact died in the midst and some of these 289 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: things dave turned very very violent. I've worked cases where 290 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: people have been strangled many times and the intent was 291 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: not there to bring about death. And this goes back 292 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: to this level of violence. We've got a suburban housewife 293 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: who I don't want to say housewife, but certainly a 294 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: suburban mother and wife who is signing up for a 295 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: fetish website where she's asked to be violently raped by 296 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: somebody because she's living out a fantasy. I mean, I 297 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: don't know, call me old fashioned, but I got to 298 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: tell you, but from an investigative standpoint, this scene stunk 299 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: to high heaven. As an investigator, when you walk onto 300 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: a scene, there are some things that are very benign, 301 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: and you have to be very careful with that because 302 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: sometimes the benign things are the ones that actually trip 303 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: you up. But there are those times when you walk 304 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: onto a scene and there has been a blood bath 305 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: that has occurred there, you know that you've entered into 306 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: another level as an investigator, that it's going to make 307 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: this very complicated as far as trying to piece everything together. 308 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: And Dave, I would imagine that in this environment when 309 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: investigators walked into that room, they actually began to appreciate 310 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: that they had a lot of blood evidence. You know 311 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: that there has been gunplay involved. And I think another 312 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: thing also, and you and I have talked about this extensively, 313 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: sharp force injury is involved here, and so that even 314 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: makes it more complex, particularly when you're at a scene. 315 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: I'm I'm talking about being back at the Morgue, but 316 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: when you're at a scene and you're trying to do 317 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: an injury assessment, because blood begins to crust, it will 318 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: crust and it will. It will actually hide injuries that 319 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: you can't that you can't appreciate. And here's the one 320 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: thing that you cannot do. It a scene involving really bloody. 321 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: You don't go grab a rag. You don't grab a rag, 322 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: you don't bring out a sponge, you don't clean the 323 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: body there. You make note of what you can see there, 324 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: and then hopefully, hopefully, when you get them back to 325 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: the mork and you begin to clean up after the 326 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: photographic documentation, things will you know, come to light. But 327 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: there was so much blood here that it would have 328 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: been really really hard to completely interpret things to its 329 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: fullest extent. 330 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you about that, because when when 331 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 3: you have a scene that is like this, that is 332 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 3: a mess, and do do you listen to police? Do 333 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 3: they come and say, hey, this is what they're telling 334 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 3: us happened. Or do you come in blindfolded and say 335 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 3: everybody quiet, let me let me see what I see 336 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 3: and then all your stories. 337 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that that's uh. There's this kind of bleedover that 338 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: takes place no pun intended. And when I say bleed over, 339 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: I mean this is something that that we in my 340 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 1: field have to have to work through because when you 341 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: arrive as a medical legal death investigator, and to a 342 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: certain extent as a homicide detective, you will have had 343 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: e mts. You will have had first responding police officers 344 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: that are there and they are saying, there's a lot 345 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: of blood. Uh, these people are really banged up, really bad. 346 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: And so that's that's kind of influencing. That's kind of 347 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: influencing what your perspective on a case is, and you 348 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: have to be very careful. Uh. You know, I think 349 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: that a lot of it circles back to what I'd 350 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: said about Tom Nogucci, you know, a year or so ago, 351 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: when I first talked about him looking at the ceiling 352 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: in cases, and yeah, it's my preference has always been, 353 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: please don't talk to me. And I'm not rude to anybody, 354 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: but please don't talk to me. Just let me know 355 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: that there's dead bodies in the room. Let me make 356 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: my own assessment, because at that point in time, my 357 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: mind is still kind of in a pristine state where 358 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: it's unaffected by whatever kind of static is coming in. 359 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: It might be valid stuff that they're trying to tell me. Now, 360 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: if there's wappings about there, loaded and I'm in danger, yeah, 361 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: I want to know that if there's a dog in 362 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: the house that might bite me. Yeah, I want to 363 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: know that. But I just want to know the basics 364 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: so that I'm not colored anyway when I'm going to 365 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: do an examination. 366 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 3: Okay, Now in this case, you have to wonder how 367 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 3: did it end up where You've got Joseph Bryan in 368 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 3: the house and Brendan Banfield gone to work. All pair 369 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 3: off with the four year old to the zoo, but 370 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 3: they all ended up back in the house. Here's what 371 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 3: happened according to the initial story told by the all Pair. 372 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 3: Because I do want you to know something. Brendan Bamfield 373 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 3: did not talk to police. I don't know what that 374 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 3: means to anybody. I know what it means to me, 375 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 3: But Brendan Manfield did not talk to police. They had 376 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 3: to put this together based on what they were getting 377 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 3: from Juliana Perez Magalise the all Pair. Now what happened 378 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 3: is Banfield is on his way to work, Magalese has 379 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,959 Speaker 3: their four year old and is headed the Banfield's four 380 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 3: year old daughter heading to the zoo, and she says 381 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 3: Magalese said she saw Joseph Ryan, thirty nine years old, 382 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 3: going into the home. Now, Christine Banfield is supposedly at 383 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 3: the home by herself, and when Magales sees this man 384 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 3: going into the home instead of driving to the zoo 385 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 3: with the child, she calls Brendan Banfield, the irs agent, 386 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 3: with a gun and a badge and says, hey, I 387 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 3: just saw a guy go in your home, and so 388 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 3: Bramfield goes back to the house. Margales comes back to 389 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 3: the home with the four year old and that's why 390 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 3: they were all at the house at the same time. 391 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 3: Part one, Part two. Banfield says to Margalise, you take 392 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 3: the little girl over there, put her, you know, get 393 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 3: her away from all this. Now upstairs in the bedroom, 394 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 3: you've got Christine Banfield and you've got Joseph Ryan. According 395 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 3: to the story that is told is that Christine Banfield 396 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 3: was being stabbed in the neck by Joseph Ryan, so 397 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 3: gun in a badge. Brendan Bamfield shoots him and begins 398 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,479 Speaker 3: to try to help his wife, but there's too much blood. 399 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 3: He's compressing it and doing this and that Margalse comes 400 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 3: up after hearing the gunshot, and she then shoots Ryan 401 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 3: because he's not dead. So there's two gunshot wounds to 402 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 3: Joseph Ryan. Now he's dead. The nine one one call. 403 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 3: I want to go very carefully here because it's important. 404 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 3: There are two nine one one calls made from the house. 405 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 3: The first one is a seven forty five am, but 406 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 3: quickly disconnected. Think about this for a minute. 407 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: You have. 408 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 3: A man who's been shot dead, a woman who's been 409 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 3: stabbed and is bleeding, and you call nine one one 410 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 3: and hang up. What it's fifteen minutes later before they 411 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 3: get another nine one one called Joe, and that's the 412 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 3: one that was made by Magalise. The all pair after 413 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 3: that call connected with nine one one. She gave the 414 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 3: phone to a man, Brendan Banfield, who tells police, tells 415 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 3: nine one one brother, He tells nine one one he 416 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 3: shot a man who was stabbing his wife. That's the 417 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: story we got from Brendan Banfield. I say we because 418 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: he didn't talk to police. Police arrive on the scene. 419 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 3: They find Joseph Nathan Ryan, thirty nine years old, dead 420 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 3: from a gunshot wound. They find Christine Banfield thirty seven 421 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 3: stab wounds. She is transported to the hospital alive, but 422 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 3: she dies once she gets there. Brendan Banfield, Christine's husband, 423 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 3: refuses to talk to police. He does talk to a 424 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 3: I'm guessing a doctor at the hospital who is telling 425 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 3: him his wife passed, you know, and it was caught 426 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 3: on or overheard by police, but basically saying, you know, 427 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 3: he knew how much blood had been gone. You know, 428 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 3: it was obviously she wasn't going to survive this attack. 429 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that there was even a conversation that 430 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: took place where, you know that the doctor talked about 431 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: that this was unsurvivable. You know that that these these 432 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: injuries were so egregious where you're going to have multiple 433 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: defects in the body. You know, one gunshot wound or 434 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: one stab wound is one thing, you know, And for 435 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: those of you that have ever been through any kind 436 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: of first aid class and you've got people that are bleeding, 437 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: what's the thing that they teach you, Well, you're going 438 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: to apply direct pressure, right, and with so much internal 439 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: damage And remember when I say internal damage, if you've 440 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: got multiple gunshot woes, you've got a stab woon, you've 441 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: got multiple tracks that are running through the body, Dave. 442 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: And so for every one of those tracks, you're clipping 443 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: all manner. And I'm not even talking about organ damage here. 444 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: I'm just merely right now, just talking about talking about 445 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: the vessels, You've got multiple vessels that are that are 446 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: compromised and literally ripped to shreds and destroyed. And so 447 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: when you walk through it and you begin to understand 448 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 1: you're not an octopus. You know, you don't have enough 449 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: hands to place on top of all to do compression 450 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: or to apply pressure rather, and then you've got the 451 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: added the added piece to this where you know, if 452 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: she if they rolled her to the hospital, I'd be 453 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: very interested to know did she have like some kind 454 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: of faint pulse agonal respirations. My suspicion is probably no, 455 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 1: but she was probably pretty warm to the touch. She 456 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: may not have died immediately, but she's slipping off into 457 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: the slipping off into the darkness. So they rolled her 458 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: from there. And you know, this is another thing too 459 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: that I know that you and I have discussed extensively. 460 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: If you have an individual that is removed from scene, 461 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: and look, they have to remove them from scene, right 462 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: because this is a life saving measure. But when you 463 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: have an individual that is removed from the scene, suddenly 464 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: your context is gone as an investigator. There is not 465 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: a body or you're absent at least one body in 466 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: this case to examine and kind of contextualize the scene, 467 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: because one of the things that we look at is relationship. 468 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: And we're talking about Remember we're going back to violent rape, 469 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: remember right, So we're talking about proximity of bodies. We're 470 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: also talking about evidence of potentially some type of sexual assault, 471 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: because that's what's being implied, right that, you know, that's 472 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: the heart of this thing. And all of a sudden, 473 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: from an evidentiary standpoint, things ain't ain't the way that 474 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: they were initially. They weren't pristine in that pristine state, 475 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: so that when the investigators arrive after the fact, they've 476 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: got a lot of questions. And here's one other thing 477 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: that I wanted to bring, you know, kind of bring 478 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: into frame. Here. You've a fellow and we've talked, we've 479 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about, or have mentioned at least 480 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: a couple of times, that he is a gun totor. 481 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: And when you have a gun totor, you can have 482 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: an agent say, for instance, it works for one of 483 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: these three letter agencies. And when I say that, folks 484 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: might not know this, but did you know that almost 485 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: every single federal agency out there has some kind of 486 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: law enforcement wing. And there's been a lot of hate 487 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: that's been made over the last few years. You remember 488 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: when they I don't know if you recall this, but 489 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: when they had that budget thing that came out a 490 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: few years ago where the IRS was arming up. You know, 491 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: they were going to arm them with all of you know, 492 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: with all kinds of weapons. Okay, So he he is, 493 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: in fact a fellow law enforcement officer. And no, he's 494 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: an IRS special agent. Don't don't think that this guy 495 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: doesn't know anything about crime scenes, because he does. And 496 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: let me tell you how this kind of works with 497 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: the FEDS will send their future law enforcement investigators down 498 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: to a place called glen Coe, Georgia. They have their 499 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: own academy. It's a basic law enforcement academy that they 500 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: go through, Okay, and it's like multiple agents. You might 501 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: be you might be in a class down there with 502 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: people from the Forest Service or the US Park Service. 503 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: You might have people that work for the FDA, all right. 504 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: You might have people that work for the Federal Drug 505 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: Drug Administration and I'm not talking about the DA. Everybody 506 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: the Department of Energy, you know, and they might be 507 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: going through a basic law enforcement academy and then at 508 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: the end or the completion of that, they will then 509 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: go to the IRS academy as kind of an add 510 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: on this is what we do, this is how so 511 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: he he would understand the basics of how to process 512 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: a crime. Sayne, he doesn't sit around, you know, the 513 00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: old what's the thing the advisor? That account is where 514 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: the green visor? You know, And he's got his gun 515 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: sitting on his desk and he's running numbers on charts 516 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: and all that sort of thing. That ain't the way 517 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: this is this guy, this guy's cop okay at And 518 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: the fact that he would not engage in conversation with 519 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: police officers who, by the way, are trying to determine 520 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: what happened to a fellow law enforcement officer's wife in 521 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: their own home is rather odd. Uh from the beginning. 522 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: And again this goes back. You know, we talked about 523 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: the violent, the violent sexual part of this that they 524 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: alleged that she was asking for. I hate say that 525 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: sounds horrible, but that's what they're implying. And then there's 526 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: gun play involved, and he won't he won't sit down 527 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: and try to help them try to understand what happened. Uh. 528 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: And you know, maybe he's he's falling back on a 529 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: on an excuse that well, you know, I pulled my 530 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: weapon and I fired it, so therefore I can be 531 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: implicated this thing. But I don't know, Dave. I got 532 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: to tell you, brother, I think that there's at least 533 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: I think from the police standpoint, they probably have a 534 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: hent at this point in time, there's a much more 535 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: sinister underpinning here. I gotta tell you That's just my 536 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: thought on it, Dave. This is so very complex as 537 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: far as the scene goes. Can you kind of break 538 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: this down into the nuts and bolts of it so 539 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: that we can kind of begin to understand the dynamic 540 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: here and we'll kind of walk through this very carefully. 541 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 3: Well, you know, when we looked at it earlier, we 542 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 3: were talking about how the all pair calls Brendan Bamfield 543 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 3: saying I just saw a guy go in the house. 544 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 3: Bamfield comes back to the house, so does the all 545 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 3: Pair with their four year old daughter. He Field goes 546 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 3: up and sees Joseph Ryan stabbing his wife Christine in 547 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 3: the neck. Banfield shoots Joseph Ryan, he doesn't kill him. 548 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 3: This is where the alpair then goes to a safe 549 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 3: in the house, retrieves another gun, comes upstairs, and she 550 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 3: shoots Joseph Ryan in the heart, killing him. Meanwhile, according 551 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 3: to Banfield, he's trying to stop the bleeding on Christine, 552 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 3: his wife, but she's stabbed in her neck. There's no 553 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,439 Speaker 3: place to compress. And that's the discussion that is heard 554 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 3: from the doctor on the body cam from the police 555 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 3: officer at the hospital when he tells Brendan Manfield, your 556 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 3: wife is dead. She's lost too much blood. There was 557 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 3: no way and he was He says, I was trying 558 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 3: to get it to stop, but and the doctor says 559 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 3: there's no place on the neck to make it stop. 560 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 3: So police begin the investigation based on this housewife, this mother, 561 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 3: and why was Joseph Ryan in the house. 562 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 2: Who is this guy? 563 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 3: So they're doing the digital forensics on the phones, the computers, 564 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 3: they're looking up all of this stuff. They find out 565 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 3: pretty quickly a number of things. Joe the chief investigator, 566 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 3: and all of the chief of Police brother Chief Davis 567 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 3: said that investigators early on found digital evidence, physical evidence, 568 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 3: forensic evidence, and circumstantial evidence that it appeared to them 569 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:23,760 Speaker 3: that Banfield and Perez Mogolies, the husband of the deceased 570 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 3: wife and the all pair who's only twenty two years 571 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 3: old at the time, that they were involved in a 572 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 3: sexual relationship, and that Brendan Banfield actually had Perez Mogolies 573 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 3: swapping out their phones for new ones, new phones in 574 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 3: the days before the attack. In the days before his 575 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 3: wife is killed by this unknown assailant, he swaps out 576 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 3: phones to hide evidence. I mean, that's all they're thinking. 577 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 3: They find out that Brendan Banfield took the all to 578 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,240 Speaker 3: a gun range before his wife was killed. A glock 579 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 3: that he was used to shoot Joseph Ryan was purchased 580 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 3: on a trip to the shooting range. Brendan Bamfield Empress 581 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 3: Magalise said Christine Bamfield summoned Joseph Ryan to her home 582 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 3: through a website for sexual bondage. Brendan Bamfield shot Joseph 583 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 3: Ryan in the head, wounding but not killing him. Julian 584 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 3: and Perez Magalies got a gun from a safe shot 585 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 3: Ryan in the heart, killing him. Brendan Bamfield and Perez 586 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 3: Maglese began the relationship months before the deaths occurred. Bamfield 587 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 3: Empress Magali's relationship continued after the deaths. And in the 588 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 3: months following the death of his wife, the mother of 589 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 3: his four year old daughter, he moves in the alpair 590 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 3: Perez Maghales clothing is hanging in the Banfield closet, not 591 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 3: Christine Bamfield's clothing. You know, Joe, my wife died eleven 592 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,879 Speaker 3: months ago. Our clothes are still in the closet. Oh Lord, 593 00:36:58,920 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 3: I can't get him out. 594 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: God bless you. Man. 595 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 3: And I saw this and my first thought was, you scumbag. 596 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 3: You're carrying a gun and a badge, working with the 597 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 3: I R S. And you won't talk to cops. That's 598 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 3: a big problem for me. I by the way, I 599 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 3: am the guy who says, don't ever talk to cops. Yeah, ever, 600 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 3: because you're even if you didn't do anything, they're good. 601 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 3: If they think you did, you're gonna be found dead. 602 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 3: You're going to be found that as the guilty guy. 603 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,959 Speaker 3: So I don't ever talk to cops. But you carry 604 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 3: a gun and a badge, Joe, I think your duty 605 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 3: bound to talk to cops. 606 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think so, you know, And even you know, 607 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 1: even if you're you know, you're not tasked as an 608 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: I r S Special Agent to investigate local homicides or 609 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: desks and that sort of thing. It's still you're you're 610 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 1: under that you're in that family. Okay, But here's here's 611 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 1: the interesting thing. You know I R S agents, Uh, 612 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: they typically carry the weapon that they learned to train 613 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: on when they went through the academy. And I R 614 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: S agents actually do carry glocks. Okay, so this is 615 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: a weapon he would have been familiar with. 616 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 2: I find I didn't know that. I didn't know that. 617 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I find it very interesting, very interesting. As 618 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I think that they carry glock, 619 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: maybe glock twenty six like fifth Gen. What's interesting, though, 620 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: is that let's just say, let's just say that he's 621 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:35,240 Speaker 1: carrying that same frame okay, that same frame of weapon 622 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,359 Speaker 1: or platform of weapon, and he goes out with the 623 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: which he did. By the way, you had just mentioned 624 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: they had gone out to this shooting range so that 625 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: she could she could practice shooting, which is something that 626 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: had never occurred before. And this is dude, this is 627 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 1: within days, this event taking place. But did you know 628 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 1: that even the but it might be the same weapon platform, 629 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: it don't matter because both of those weapons, the ballistics 630 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 1: on both of those weapons are going to be distinctly different, 631 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 1: and so I find that interesting. And it's something else 632 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: when you begin to think about Joseph Ryan, who is 633 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,839 Speaker 1: laid there, he shot, the wife is stabbed. Any kind 634 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: of round that they take from either the body or 635 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: the scene, the striations on those bullets are going to 636 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: be distinctly different. Let's just say, okay, and i'll give 637 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: you for instance, if you are a law enforcement officer, 638 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 1: and I don't care where you're working, you have to 639 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: go to the range and qualify many times. You'll have 640 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: qualified a couple of times a year, all right, So 641 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: every time you fire that weapon, changes occur within that 642 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: barrel and you'll get little nicks and things. It's not 643 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,959 Speaker 1: just the rifling inside of the barrel that transfers into 644 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: the striations on the projectile itself. More use you have 645 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: of a weapon, the more distinctive it makes it. Okay, 646 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: even if it's the same caliber the same platform, that 647 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: weapon is going to look different than say this brand 648 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 1: new one that was just purchased, which was actually utilized here. 649 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: So you're going to have two different weapons. And look, 650 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: you've got both of them, you know, admitting to the 651 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: fact that both these weapons were fired. So you'll have 652 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: two weapons to examine. The two weapons that are going 653 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 1: to go to the stabilistics lab to be viewed. The 654 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 1: question is this you go into great detail with shooters, 655 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: with you know, people that have shot individuals. If they're 656 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: going to talk, they're going to be asked specific questions. 657 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: What position was this individual when you engage them with 658 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: your weapon to begin with? Where they standing, were they kneeling, 659 00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 1: Were you behind them or you in front of them, 660 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: or you to the side of them. Okay, And so 661 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: that's going to make a big difference here as to relationship. 662 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: And then with Christine being pulled out of the environment, 663 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: you know, having gone to having gone to the hospital 664 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: to be treated for the sharp force injuries, you know, 665 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 1: to no avail. Of course, that could in and of 666 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: self change the dynamic. But I want to go back 667 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: to to this this thing with the digital forensics here 668 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: because again in this case, just like so many others 669 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:40,800 Speaker 1: that that we've covered, you know, over these years, you 670 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 1: you actually have someone kind of laying out with these 671 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: digital breadcrumbs of what they're doing. And I think that 672 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: in the midst of these things, people they don't think 673 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 1: about how this looks right. And so if you're creating something. 674 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 1: It's very interesting that you know she would have she 675 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 1: did this hang up, right, she did this hang up 676 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 1: on the nine one one call and then Dave there 677 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 1: there is bodycam footage too, would sound correct. 678 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, you know, going back to the hang up call, 679 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,879 Speaker 3: you know she said that this is what Maga Leese 680 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 3: said at the time, the reason she hung up the 681 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 3: phone that when they got into the house. To back 682 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,359 Speaker 3: up little timetable here, when Magales left with the four 683 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 3: year old to go to the zoo, she's pulling away 684 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,840 Speaker 3: and she forgot their homemade lunches that they were supposed 685 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 3: to take. And when she turns around to go back 686 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 3: to the house to pick up the sandwiches, she sees 687 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 3: Ryan going in the home. That's when she ostensibly calls Banfield, 688 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 3: who's at a local McDonald's on his way to work. 689 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 3: Bamfield turns around and comes back to the house. He 690 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,360 Speaker 3: and Magales meet at the house and walk into the 691 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 3: house together. Bamfield says, take the four year old and 692 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 3: go downstairs into the basement, and he goes upstairs. Bamfield 693 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 3: goes upstairs and you know she's Ryan. Well, that's where 694 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 3: the hang up call had happened. Magaali says, at seven 695 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 3: forty seven, she was in the basement calling nine one 696 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,399 Speaker 3: one and realized she didn't know what to tell them 697 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,799 Speaker 3: because see, the only thing she knows, Joe, is what 698 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 3: really happened. She doesn't know the story that needs to 699 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 3: be told. Remember English is not her first language. She's 700 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 3: twenty two from Brazil. She's an off pair and that's 701 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 3: why she hangs up. And that's why there's fifteen minutes 702 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,719 Speaker 3: in between. You got to get the story straight. Now, 703 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 3: backing up a minute, because we have the story of 704 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 3: the fetish website. The thing is, the evidence shows that 705 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:44,880 Speaker 3: Christine Banfield's laptop was used in setting up the account, 706 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:51,400 Speaker 3: the profile on this fetish website where she, according to 707 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,360 Speaker 3: records on this website, reached out wanted somebody to violently 708 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,840 Speaker 3: rape her. That's what her fetish was, to be violently 709 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 3: raped in her home, and that she arranged everything, and 710 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,319 Speaker 3: that she even bought the tickets for Magalise to take 711 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 3: the four year old to the zoo that day they 712 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,800 Speaker 3: would be gone. See, she knew what time her husband 713 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,520 Speaker 3: was leaving to go to work. She knew at times 714 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 3: she'd get the all pair out with the four year 715 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,839 Speaker 3: old and the home would be open for her to 716 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 3: be violently raped by a guy she didn't know that 717 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,719 Speaker 3: she met on this fetish website. Now part of this 718 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 3: back and forth, you know it took over a year, Joe. 719 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 3: You mentioned this happened in February of twenty twenty three. 720 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 3: It was a year and a half before and arrest, 721 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:33,240 Speaker 3: before anything was done, before an arrest was made, and 722 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 3: then their rest did come down. Well, when the indictments 723 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:44,480 Speaker 3: were handed down charging Brandon Manfield with what had happened 724 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 3: and Magalise, it only took three weeks for the. 725 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:49,879 Speaker 2: All pair to cut a deal. 726 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,759 Speaker 3: The deal was because right if the indictment was handed down, Joe, 727 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 3: do you know if Brendan Bamfield's defense attorney wanted very 728 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 3: first thing, everything the all pair said to police from 729 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 3: the time this happened untill the time we wanted inadmissible. 730 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 3: She knows the English is not her first language. She 731 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 3: didn't know what everything, so everything she said, you can't use. 732 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,279 Speaker 3: And when that didn't happen, she copped a deal and 733 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,319 Speaker 3: has admitted now because that depends were saying, well, see, 734 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 3: Christine just had this really dark side. She really wanted 735 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 3: this and you know, hey, Brandon Banfield, he's a hero. 736 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,239 Speaker 3: You know, he tried to save his wife's life. This 737 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 3: guy was killing her. He took it too far, you know, 738 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 3: the whole crazy thing. But at trial, you know, this 739 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:40,319 Speaker 3: is ongoing, but that the all pair said she created it, 740 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,400 Speaker 3: that they created the profile. 741 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:49,760 Speaker 1: Now that's almost I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks.