WEBVTT - Legally Brunette: Sherri Papini 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:04.440 Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I'll 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.800 be your host Emily Simpson and my co host Shane. 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:12.039 You're supposed to say, just Shane, Shane, just Shane. All right. 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:14.840 Our last episode we did we went through a little 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:16.560 bit of the Karen Reid trial, but we also got 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.600 to the closing arguments and the verdict. However, I thought 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:21.560 it was important at the top of this episode just 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:24.080 to talk a little bit about the Alberts and mccabes 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.520 because they decided to give interviews right after the verdict 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:30.640 came out. So let's talk about who was interviewed now. 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:33.160 Brian Albert, who was the one who owned the home 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:36.640 and he was a Boston police officer where John O'Keeffe 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:39.760 was found dead outside of his home, His wife Nicole, 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:42.440 his brother Chris, as well as his sister in law, 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:44.440 who we all know is Jen McCabe, the one who 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:47.600 testified in court, and her husband Matt All spoke to 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:50.600 ABC News in an interview which was released on Friday, 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.240 June twentieth. This was two days after Karen Reid was acquitted. 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:59.280 All five were witnesses at Reed's first trial. However, when 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:01.840 they did the reach trial. Jennifer McCabe was the only 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:04.479 one who testified at the retrial. Now, I was thinking 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:06.880 about this, and I assume the prosecution puts on their 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:09.759 on their case and they were like, Okay, we don't 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.479 need any of you to testify again because that did 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:15.840 not work the first time around. So Jen McCabe was 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.160 the only one who actually testified for the prosecution. 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:21.039 You mean you think that they had her testify and 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:25.400 then after it was a bad testimony for them, then 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:26.920 they decided not to have anyone else. 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.520 No, I think all of these people that were all 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:33.000 within the house all testified in the first trial, and 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:34.760 then when the retrial came along. 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:37.080 Okay, so even before the second trial, they realized like, 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:38.119 this is not a good idea. 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.640 I think they were like, none of they're not credible, 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:42.520 and we're just not going to put them on. So 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:46.440 Jen McCabe, who is the who is the sister in 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:48.480 law of Brian Albert who owns the home, is the 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:51.640 only one who testified at the retrial. All right, So 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:53.240 let's just go over a little bit of what they did. 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:56.080 The families have been accused by Reid and her defense 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:58.280 lawyers to be the ones who were responsible for John 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.920 O'Keeffe's death. That was the That was their defense was 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:05.919 that there was a conspiracy and that these police officers 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:09.160 all conspired together that something happened to John within the home, 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:11.160 and then that they put the body out on the lawn. 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:13.720 They blame Karen Read for it. But in the interview, 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:18.040 Brian Albert describes the theory as quote preposterous and silly. 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.120 You do realize for this conspiracy to be true, it 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.760 would take thirty to fifty people to be in on it. 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:27.160 This is what Albert told Matt Gutman, who is the interviewer. 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:29.520 I don't understand how people buy this. 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:31.480 You're gonna price speak to it, but I don't know 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.800 if I agree with it takes thirty to whatever people 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:34.760 to be in on it. 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:38.200 So I had the same question. I remember when this 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:41.080 trial was going on, initially thinking if this is a 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:46.680 conspiracy and that's the defense's play, it really is astonishing 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.120 to me that someone has not come forward or spoken 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.560 out or broke this pack that they have. 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.320 It's not surprising to me. It happens a lot. If 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:56.800 there's like a drug party and someone dies, there's all 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:58.680 these people at the party house and people are like, 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:00.560 I'm staying out of it, walking away. 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:01.600 Well, it makes me not like. 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.600 Their hands are dirty per se, they're just staying away 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:04.880 from it. 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:09.400 Yeah, And it makes me also think about pity. Yeah 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.080 and his freak offs. I mean, these have been going on. 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.440 For years, years, and those are people that don't even 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.960 benefit from the freak cops. They're just like security guard, janitors, 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:25.519 you know, pairman, Yeah, others delivering the baby celebrities. 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.359 So the fact that no one was talking about these 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.560 freak offs and there were so many people involved and 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.079 it went on for years and years and years, goes to. 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.720 Show you that you can have It's like you see 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.640 an accident, does everyone pull over and try to say, 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.600 I'm a waitness, I can help out. No, A lot 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:41.880 of people just think I gotta go to work and 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:42.560 these drive. 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:45.600 Off, all right. So, Brian Albert also addressed one of 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:49.400 the major criticisms Reid's defense had on his conduct of 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.720 the morning of January twenty ninth, twenty twenty two. Despite 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:56.600 being a fellow Boston Police officer and a trained first responder, 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.800 Albert never left his home, which is one of the 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.640 things that we talked about when we did earlier episodes, 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.720 was how bizarre it is that he is a police officer. 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:09.200 He's inside this home, there's a body found dead on 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:12.920 his lawn. He's a first responder. It's a fellow police officer, 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.440 and he never leaves his home to find out what happened, 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:20.120 to ask to inquire, and police never went inside his I'm. 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:22.440 Sure when he pulls someone over for a moving violation, 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:27.160 he's very detail oriented, takes notes, yeah, checks all the paperwork, 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:30.480 completes the form for the ticket. But then with this 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:32.400 dead body on his lawn, and he's. 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:34.279 Like, he doesn't want it, he's not interested. 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:36.000 No, he's got to get his floor as repaired. 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:38.800 So during this interview, Brian Albert says, what am I 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.680 supposed to do? Run out front in my underwear and 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:45.200 start running yellow tape around the fire hydrant. Yes, I'm 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:48.520 not a Canton police officer. I'm a Boston police officer. 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:51.040 I was just woken up out of a cold sleep 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.360 from hanging out the night before. By the time I 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:57.400 came downstairs, the police were already in my house. John 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.280 was already gone, and there was nobody to save. First 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.680 of all, he says in the interview, the police were 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:03.680 already in my house. 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.680 Well, yeah, there's police. No, but please live in that house. 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:08.279 He is the police, isn't he. 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.800 Yeah, but he's referring to the police that we're investigating, 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.159 and that's not true. I feel like this is just. 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:15.840 Well, if it is true, then it's what information did 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:17.640 they gather by being inside the house? 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:19.640 Well, I think it's confirmed that there were no No 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:20.600 one went in the house. 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:22.680 Is saying that because he's. 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:26.920 A liar, because I don't, because I think he's making 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:30.520 up what happened that day, because there's in my opinion, 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:34.080 allegedly there was something nefarious that went on in that house, 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:35.200 and that there's a cover up. 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.480 Everyone's opinion this right, So now that. 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:40.279 He's giving first of all, it probably wasn't a great 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:41.520 idea for them to give an interview. 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:44.640 They probably would you give an interview, I think. 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.640 Because people think they're going to change people's minds that 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.200 they're if they speak to it, and they and they 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.719 and they're convincing enough in their own head that they're 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:54.960 going to convince other people. I think all it did 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.799 was make them look more guilty. He says, I would 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.320 have taken a bullet for John O'Keeffe because he was 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:02.239 a fellow cop. 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:04.080 Yeah, but I'm not going to go out there. But 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:05.960 I'm not going to go out there my body and 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:07.360 see if he's alive or dead. 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:10.840 Or I'll take a bullet. But I'm not going to 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:12.960 go out there with manderwear and run yellow tail. 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:16.720 And I won't testify and I won't admit for any wrongdoing, 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:17.479 but I'll take a bullet. 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.159 And I would take a bullet Matt McCabe. 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:22.320 Because it's sorry. That's because it's easy to say that. 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:26.040 People say that all the time that they'll they'll do anything. 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:28.000 I mean, it's easy to say that or say I'll 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.320 lay down my life or I'll give my life. But 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.080 but when you're actually in the position, will he take 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:33.520 a bullet? 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.440 No, doubt it, No, absolutely not. 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.760 I wouldn't I take a bullet from my friends? 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:43.720 Yeah no, probably not. No, you probably would take a 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:45.479 bullet for me. Like what are you talking about? 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.760 Son, who's firing? And what you did. 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.839 Matt McCabe said the group stayed silent because they wanted 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.600 to let the court do its job. We took what 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.039 we thought was the high road, he said. Brian Albert 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.480 adds the criminal justice system has led us down at 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:04.279 every turn. Yesterday when Karen was acquitted, was the final letdown. 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.360 No one protects you, and it's very very sad. Think 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:09.400 long and hard before you're a witness in a case, 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.520 added his wife Nicole. She said she was just sad 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.520 for John's family. Yeah, and I mean we've talked about that. 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:19.040 We're all sad for John O'Keefe's family. The real travesty 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.280 is that there's no closure in this case, and they 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:24.840 still have the civil lawsuit going on. But yep, we'll 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.640 see what happens with that. The Oke family has not issued. 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:30.080 A public A civil lawsuit might reveal more information, right, 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:32.880 because some things might be more admissible in a civil case. 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.920 Yeah, we need to dive into that. I have heard 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:37.480 and I don't know if this is true, but it 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:41.760 has to do also with Karen's behavior that night in 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.520 the house when she couldn't find John because his daughter 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.040 was in the house and she was fourteen, and there's 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.559 something about her possibly being traumatized by the way Karen 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:51.480 acted or so I think I. 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.120 Think they'll be more to learn. Yeah, maybe still some 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:56.440 more questions to be answered, but there'll be more to 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:58.240 learn as a result of the civil case. 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.840 So the Okey family has not issued to public statements 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.000 since the verdict and did not speak to the press 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:05.880 outside the courthouse. They are still suing read for John 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:09.080 O'Keefe's death in a civil lawsuit. All right, let's move 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:12.000 on to Sherry Peppini. I'm so excited to do this 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:16.760 case because it is nuts and I love talking about 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:23.400 nutty women because I like there's I am always intrigued 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:24.560 by Shane's reaction. 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:26.800 I don't know much about this case. 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:31.480 I know you don't Cherry Peppini. First of all, there 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:33.360 was a documentary I'm going to tell you if you 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:41.360 guys drink, I would like sh First of all, let 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:42.840 me tell you the order you need to go about 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:47.320 watching this, because I feel like too many people who 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.680 are now interested in the Sherry Peppini case are only 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:54.480 watching the four part documentary that came out on Identity 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:58.840 What is It ID Identification Discovery, which is the the 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:02.040 most newly released interview that she did after serving time 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:06.040 in prison. If you only watch that, I feel like 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.720 you might be a little biased and a little jaded. 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.800 So I would suggest that if you're interested in a 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:15.400 full account of what happened, go and watch the Hulu 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:18.840 documentary It's called a Perfect Wife, that is about what 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.200 happened with this kidnapping and everything. It gives you a 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.440 very deep background into her life and her husband and 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:28.439 her kids and this whole kidnapping. Then watch the new 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.400 four part interview that she does recently, because I feel 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:33.280 like you have to put those two together to really 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.960 have a full concept of everything. 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:40.400 Perfect Wife, Well, I mean, I get why is it 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:41.320 called perfect Wife? 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.040 I think because that's the way she portrayed herself as 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.800 like this perfect wife and mom and really in reality, 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:52.280 she's insane. All right, Let's get into Sherry. Let's get 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:53.400 into Sherry pep Beanie. 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:54.400 So. 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:58.000 Sharry is a California mother of two who's twenty sixteen 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:03.079 disappearance and dramatic or sparked national attention, only to unravel 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:07.079 years later as one of the most notorious kidnapping hoaxes 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.560 in modern times. So this happened back in November two 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:14.720 of twoenty and sixteen. Peppini is believed to have been 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:19.760 kidnapped during an eleven AM jog. Her husband, Keith Peppini, 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.280 says he last received a text from Sherry at ten 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.920 thirty seven am asking if he planned to return home 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.400 for lunch, but he claims he didn't see the text 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:30.640 right away and responded back around one thirty pm. Keith 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:32.959 reports her missing that evening after he comes home to 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:34.839 find she isn't there and had not picked up the 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:38.679 kids from daycare. He does find my iPhone and that 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.320 led Keith to Sherry's phone and earbuds, which were found 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.600 on the ground with strands of hair appearing as though 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:47.160 there had been some type of struggle. Authorities and family 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:51.439 members launch an intensive search and public awareness campaign. Now 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.680 he starts doing a lot of interviews. Of course, what 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:57.280 does everyone say when a wife disappears? They clearly please. 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.839 Come home, please go. 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.320 And when I watched his interviews, it kind of it 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:07.880 reminded me of Scott Peterson when Lacey was missing and 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.079 he did all the interviews about you know, like Marie, 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:14.160 come back, please come back, bring my wife back. Although 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:16.320 Scott Peterson is dead in the face, at least Keith 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:20.440 Peppinie has I find him somewhat more believable. When I 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:24.360 was watching his interviews, I felt as if I didn't think, like, Okay, 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:24.920 he's the one. 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:25.800 What state is this in? 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:30.200 This is in northern California and reading. So Sherry Peppini 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.160 disappears from November third to November twenty third, She's gone 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.160 around twenty two days. Local, state, and federal law enforcement 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.000 are involved in the missing person's case. I do know 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:42.120 that Keith also requested that the FBI be involved. Someone 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:43.959 told him that he should do that, and there is 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.200 video of him during his interviews asking for the FBI 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:50.040 to be involved. Social media and go fund me campaigns 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:53.080 draw national attention. There was a GoFundMe that raised more 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:56.520 than forty two thousand towards search efforts, and the Peppini 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.200 family also offered a fifty thousand dollars reward for Sherry's 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:02.680 safe return. He also made. Keith also made many emotional 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:06.080 appearances on Good Morning America, ABC News, et cetera, describing 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:10.280 his wife as a supermom and pleading for her safe return. 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:12.880 That's that's sign of guilt right there. 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:16.839 What the supermom? Yeah, well, he's not guilty. November twenty 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.679 fourth is Thanksgiving Day. At four thirty am, Sherry is 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.120 found in the middle of country Road seventeen and I 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:26.000 five in Yolo County, Yolo. You only live once. 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:29.040 It's not the last one in apathetic order, though it's 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:32.440 not Yuma County, Yuma, it's a close one. It's a 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:33.080 close second. 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.079 It was near the Woodland area, about one hundred and 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.959 fifty miles south of where she first disappeared. She has 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:42.240 found bruised and emaciated, with bindings and a brand on 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:47.240 her shoulder that says Exodus. Her hair has also been cut. 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.200 Was Exodus, Well, it's a Bible. 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.040 Verse, I know, but like I don't know, Yeah, what 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:54.160 was the significance of that? 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.560 I don't know, not really anything, I don't think. 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.920 Was it like a certain font or was it a 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:06.000 certain like style that means some type of cult? 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:07.600 I don't know. 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.680 We would have to ask Sherry that did tattoo. I'd 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.160 be like, okay, whatever, But you said branded, it's different. 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:14.560 It's branded. It was burned onto her. 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.080 Yeah, that's that's Sherry's story. 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:21.199 She claims that she was captured by two Hispanic women 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:25.280 and a dark suv while on her run. They took 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:27.560 her to an unknown location, which she claims to have 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.880 been drugged during the car ride, so she didn't know 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:33.480 where she was. She said she was physically restrained, with 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.079 her wrists and ankles chained and a bag over her 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.520 head for the majority of the time. She said she 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:41.840 was beaten repeatedly, often just for fun, by one of 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:45.120 the women, who she referred to as the mean one. 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:49.400 She claims she was starved, losing a significant amount of weight, 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.280 reportedly fifteen to twenty pounds within a twenty two day 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.480 period that she was gone. She said her two captors 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.280 branded her on the right shoulder with a heated tool, 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:00.760 though she didn't know what the word act that is meant, 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.200 Apparently it is a reference to the Bible. She was 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:06.920 forced to use a small bucket as a latrine, and 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:10.120 she reported that one of the women appeared more sympathetic 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:13.720 and that her release was likely negotiated by her I 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.000 watched her interview when she was telling the police, and 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.280 she calls the two Hispanic women that she claims abducted her. 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:20.960 She says there was a big one and there was 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:24.040 a small one, and she said the big one was 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.240 the mean one, and the small one was more sympathetic 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:30.880 towards her recorded police interviews was Sherry Peppini, and the 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.920 hours after her return showed she was reluctant to speak 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:37.400 with investigators, claiming that her abductors told her she was 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:41.320 going to be trafficked to someone in law enforcement. Sheery 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:44.720 avoided doing media interviews after she had escaped. She even 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:45.680 avoided large. 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.480 Crad Did she escape or negotiate her release? 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:53.240 Well, what happened was they she was found dropped on 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:53.960 the side of the room. 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:55.720 I vaguely remember this in the news. 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:58.640 Now I'm starting, and someone picks her up and he 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:00.800 calls nine one one, and you can hear his nine 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:04.200 one one recording, and he calls her first, he calls 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:08.560 her Sherry Panini and then she says Peppini. So a 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:13.560 bystander on the highway finds her and calls police, and 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.080 she's like, has a chain wrapped around her waist and she. 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.240 Has She's not very good negotiator. 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.480 She has u ties. What are those zip ties? 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:22.640 Cable ties? 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:25.760 Cable ties? Right, So she avoids doing me to interviews 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.040 after she's caught. There are several interviews that I watch 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.600 in the documentary where the police are recording her. They're 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.240 asking her questions about what happened, and I find her 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:40.480 so disingenuine and so unlikable. She talks about things that 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:42.680 don't make sense, Like she talks about how she texts 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.240 her husband to come home for lunch, but lunch really 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:47.240 means come home to have sex. I thought that was 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:51.040 just odd that these are things that she's telling investigators 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:54.160 when supposedly she's, you know, been kidnapped for twenty two 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.480 days and has been beaten, and she's just making jokes 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:00.800 about like sexual references with her husband. She says that 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.240 she needs to close her eyes when she talks. She 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:07.640 can't remember a lot of things anyway. I find her 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:20.400 difficult to believe. There was also a skinheads dot com 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.080 article amidst all of this, it was discovered that Sherry 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.960 had written a racist post against the Hispanic community on 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.320 a skinhead website under her maiden name Sherry Graf. 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:30.320 Prior to or after. 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:34.000 Prior to, the blog entry claims Peppini was persecuted by 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:36.800 Latinos at her high school for being of German descent 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:38.720 and that she was white and proud of her blood 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.680 and heritage. The post read, I totally agree with skinheads 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.080 that girls should not fight, they should stand by their men. 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.800 Being white is my family, my roots, my way of life. 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:50.280 It's always there. There's no denying it. It's nobility, its strength, 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:51.960 it will be there. To lift me up when I 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.160 really need my pride, when I need to keep walking. 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:57.120 When asked about this post, Sherry denies writing it and 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:58.880 claims someone impersonated her. 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:01.080 Why would someone in personate her and go on a 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:02.880 skinhead website? That's so random? 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:06.080 It is random, But this is what happens when someone 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:11.160 is the type of person who repeatedly lies about everything. 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.720 On October twenty fifth, twenty seventeen. 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:17.720 So you find these cases that are very that just 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:19.040 leave lots of questions. 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:21.359 I don't think there's lots of questions. I think that. 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:24.760 It's not going to be confusing. In this case, it 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:26.560 sounds like it's going to be very confusing because you 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.639 just said she's a liar. She's a liar, so well 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:30.080 is Shelsey. 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:35.000 So Sherry Peppini asks the FBI, can you do a 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.879 sketch of the two women who abducted me? So she 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:40.960 describes them, and they do a sketch and they release 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:44.639 it to the media, and it's two Hispanic women, a 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:47.000 bigger one and a smaller one, and they both have 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.320 masks on because she claims that they covered their face 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:51.680 for the majority of the time. 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:55.640 She's just like so she asked for criminal sketch artists. Yes, 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:58.040 and then she's like, oh, they wore masks, Yes, I 0:17:58.080 --> 0:17:58.880 could have drawn that. 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:02.600 So basically they do the sketches of these two Hispanic women. 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.440 They were basically just their eyes, their eyes and eyebrows. 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.639 They release it. The media releases it like this is 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:12.399 there's new developments in the Sherry Peppina case. The sketch 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:15.560 artist has, you know, made these sketches based upon, you know, 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:20.240 her detailed account of these two women that abducted her. 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:24.240 The day that the sketch artist releases the sketches to 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:30.000 the media is the same day that the FBI gets 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:34.480 back DNA testing from her clothing from when she was abducted, 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:38.120 and there's male DNA found in her underwear. 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:39.960 And is it has it been excluded that it's not 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:41.879 her husband's or boyfriends or whoever it is. 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:45.600 No, it's not it's not her that out Yeah, okay. 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.480 So in the years following Sherry's return, local investigators as 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.120 well as the FBI are very skeptical of her claims, 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:54.639 so they continue their search and investigation and to her 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:55.080 because if. 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:58.920 She got beaten, there'd be some female DNA, you'd assume. 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.120 Yeah, but they don't find any female DNA. They only 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:06.000 find male DNA, not her husband, multiple males or no 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:07.040 one male? 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:07.679 Okay. 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:11.280 The DNA evidence did not match her story. Investigators found 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:14.320 male DNA on her clothing and belongings, despite her claim 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:17.240 that she was abducted by two women. The DNA did 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:19.560 not match her husband or any suspect until it was 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:22.800 later matched to her ex boyfriend James Rays. 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:25.400 Wait, how did they make that connection? 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:27.760 Though they did, I don't know. They ran it through 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:28.440