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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I'll

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Speaker 1: be your host Emily Simpson and my co host Shane.

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Speaker 1: You're supposed to say, just Shane, Shane, just Shane. All right.

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Speaker 1: Our last episode we did we went through a little

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Speaker 1: bit of the Karen Reid trial, but we also got

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Speaker 1: to the closing arguments and the verdict. However, I thought

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Speaker 1: it was important at the top of this episode just

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Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about the Alberts and mccabes

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Speaker 1: because they decided to give interviews right after the verdict

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Speaker 1: came out. So let's talk about who was interviewed now.

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Speaker 1: Brian Albert, who was the one who owned the home

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Speaker 1: and he was a Boston police officer where John O'Keeffe

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Speaker 1: was found dead outside of his home, His wife Nicole,

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Speaker 1: his brother Chris, as well as his sister in law,

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Speaker 1: who we all know is Jen McCabe, the one who

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Speaker 1: testified in court, and her husband Matt All spoke to

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Speaker 1: ABC News in an interview which was released on Friday,

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Speaker 1: June twentieth. This was two days after Karen Reid was acquitted.

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Speaker 1: All five were witnesses at Reed's first trial. However, when

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Speaker 1: they did the reach trial. Jennifer McCabe was the only

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Speaker 1: one who testified at the retrial. Now, I was thinking

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Speaker 1: about this, and I assume the prosecution puts on their

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Speaker 1: on their case and they were like, Okay, we don't

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Speaker 1: need any of you to testify again because that did

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Speaker 1: not work the first time around. So Jen McCabe was

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Speaker 1: the only one who actually testified for the prosecution.

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Speaker 2: You mean you think that they had her testify and

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Speaker 2: then after it was a bad testimony for them, then

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Speaker 2: they decided not to have anyone else.

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Speaker 1: No, I think all of these people that were all

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Speaker 1: within the house all testified in the first trial, and

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Speaker 1: then when the retrial came along.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so even before the second trial, they realized like,

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Speaker 2: this is not a good idea.

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Speaker 1: I think they were like, none of they're not credible,

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Speaker 1: and we're just not going to put them on. So

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Speaker 1: Jen McCabe, who is the who is the sister in

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Speaker 1: law of Brian Albert who owns the home, is the

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Speaker 1: only one who testified at the retrial. All right, So

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Speaker 1: let's just go over a little bit of what they did.

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Speaker 1: The families have been accused by Reid and her defense

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Speaker 1: lawyers to be the ones who were responsible for John

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Speaker 1: O'Keeffe's death. That was the That was their defense was

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Speaker 1: that there was a conspiracy and that these police officers

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Speaker 1: all conspired together that something happened to John within the home,

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Speaker 1: and then that they put the body out on the lawn.

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Speaker 1: They blame Karen Read for it. But in the interview,

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Speaker 1: Brian Albert describes the theory as quote preposterous and silly.

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Speaker 1: You do realize for this conspiracy to be true, it

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Speaker 1: would take thirty to fifty people to be in on it.

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Speaker 1: This is what Albert told Matt Gutman, who is the interviewer.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand how people buy this.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna price speak to it, but I don't know

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Speaker 2: if I agree with it takes thirty to whatever people

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Speaker 1: So I had the same question. I remember when this

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Speaker 1: out or broke this pack that they have.

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Speaker 2: It's not surprising to me. It happens a lot. If

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Speaker 2: there's like a drug party and someone dies, there's all

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Speaker 2: these people at the party house and people are like,

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Speaker 2: I'm staying out of it, walking away.

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Speaker 1: Well, it makes me not like.

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Speaker 2: Their hands are dirty per se, they're just staying away

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it makes me also think about pity. Yeah

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Speaker 1: and his freak offs. I mean, these have been going on.

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Speaker 2: For years, years, and those are people that don't even

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Speaker 2: benefit from the freak cops. They're just like security guard, janitors,

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Speaker 2: you know, pairman, Yeah, others delivering the baby celebrities.

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Speaker 1: So the fact that no one was talking about these

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Speaker 2: Show you that you can have It's like you see

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Speaker 2: an accident, does everyone pull over and try to say,

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Speaker 2: I'm a waitness, I can help out. No, A lot

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Speaker 1: Off, all right. So, Brian Albert also addressed one of

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Speaker 1: the major criticisms Reid's defense had on his conduct of

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Speaker 1: the morning of January twenty ninth, twenty twenty two. Despite

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Speaker 1: being a fellow Boston Police officer and a trained first responder,

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Speaker 1: Albert never left his home, which is one of the

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Speaker 1: things that we talked about when we did earlier episodes,

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Speaker 1: He's inside this home, there's a body found dead on

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Speaker 1: and he never leaves his home to find out what happened,

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Speaker 1: to ask to inquire, and police never went inside his I'm.

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Speaker 2: Sure when he pulls someone over for a moving violation,

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Speaker 2: he's very detail oriented, takes notes, yeah, checks all the paperwork,

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Speaker 2: completes the form for the ticket. But then with this

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Speaker 1: Like, he doesn't want it, he's not interested.

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Speaker 2: No, he's got to get his floor as repaired.

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Speaker 1: So during this interview, Brian Albert says, what am I

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Speaker 1: start running yellow tape around the fire hydrant. Yes, I'm

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Speaker 1: not a Canton police officer. I'm a Boston police officer.

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Speaker 1: I was just woken up out of a cold sleep

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Speaker 1: was already gone, and there was nobody to save. First

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Speaker 1: of all, he says in the interview, the police were

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there's police. No, but please live in that house.

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Speaker 2: He is the police, isn't he.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's referring to the police that we're investigating,

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Speaker 1: and that's not true. I feel like this is just.

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Speaker 2: Well, if it is true, then it's what information did

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Speaker 2: they gather by being inside the house?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's confirmed that there were no No

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Speaker 2: Is saying that because he's.

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Speaker 1: A liar, because I don't, because I think he's making

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Speaker 1: allegedly there was something nefarious that went on in that house,

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Speaker 1: and that there's a cover up.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's opinion this right, So now that.

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Speaker 1: He's giving first of all, it probably wasn't a great

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Speaker 2: They probably would you give an interview, I think.

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Speaker 1: Because people think they're going to change people's minds that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm not going to go out there. But

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to go out there my body and

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Speaker 1: Or I'll take a bullet. But I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: And I won't testify and I won't admit for any wrongdoing,

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Speaker 2: but I'll take a bullet.

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Speaker 1: And I would take a bullet Matt McCabe.

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Speaker 2: Because it's sorry. That's because it's easy to say that.

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Speaker 2: People say that all the time that they'll they'll do anything.

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Speaker 2: but when you're actually in the position, will he take

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Speaker 1: No, doubt it, No, absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't I take a bullet from my friends?

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, probably not. No, you probably would take a

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Speaker 2: Son, who's firing? And what you did.

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Speaker 1: Matt McCabe said the group stayed silent because they wanted

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Speaker 1: we thought was the high road, he said. Brian Albert

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Speaker 1: adds the criminal justice system has led us down at

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Speaker 1: every turn. Yesterday when Karen was acquitted, was the final letdown.

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Speaker 1: No one protects you, and it's very very sad. Think

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Speaker 1: added his wife Nicole. She said she was just sad

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Speaker 1: We're all sad for John O'Keefe's family. The real travesty

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Speaker 1: still have the civil lawsuit going on. But yep, we'll

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Speaker 1: see what happens with that. The Oke family has not issued.

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Speaker 2: A public A civil lawsuit might reveal more information, right,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to dive into that. I have heard

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Speaker 2: Think they'll be more to learn. Yeah, maybe still some

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Speaker 1: So the Okey family has not issued to public statements

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Speaker 1: by Shane's reaction.

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Speaker 2: I don't know much about this case.

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Speaker 1: I know you don't Cherry Peppini. First of all, there

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Speaker 1: was a documentary I'm going to tell you if you

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Speaker 1: guys drink, I would like sh First of all, let

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Speaker 1: watching this, because I feel like too many people who

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Speaker 1: are now interested in the Sherry Peppini case are only

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Speaker 1: watching the four part documentary that came out on Identity

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Speaker 1: What is It ID Identification Discovery, which is the the

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Speaker 1: So I would suggest that if you're interested in a

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Speaker 1: full account of what happened, go and watch the Hulu

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Speaker 1: documentary It's called a Perfect Wife, that is about what

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Speaker 1: like you have to put those two together to really

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Speaker 2: Perfect Wife, Well, I mean, I get why is it

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Speaker 2: called perfect Wife?

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Speaker 1: I think because that's the way she portrayed herself as

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Speaker 1: like this perfect wife and mom and really in reality,

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Speaker 1: she's insane. All right, Let's get into Sherry. Let's get

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Speaker 1: into Sherry pep Beanie.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 1: Sharry is a California mother of two who's twenty sixteen

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Speaker 1: disappearance and dramatic or sparked national attention, only to unravel

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Speaker 1: years later as one of the most notorious kidnapping hoaxes

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Speaker 1: kidnapped during an eleven AM jog. Her husband, Keith Peppini,

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Speaker 2: Come home, please go.

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Speaker 1: And when I watched his interviews, it kind of it

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Speaker 2: What state is this in?

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Speaker 1: This is in northern California and reading. So Sherry Peppini

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Speaker 1: disappears from November third to November twenty third, She's gone

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Speaker 1: that Keith also requested that the FBI be involved. Someone

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Speaker 1: than forty two thousand towards search efforts, and the Peppini

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Speaker 1: family also offered a fifty thousand dollars reward for Sherry's

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Speaker 1: safe return. He also made. Keith also made many emotional

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Speaker 1: What the supermom? Yeah, well, he's not guilty. November twenty

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Speaker 2: It's not the last one in apathetic order, though it's

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Speaker 1: It was near the Woodland area, about one hundred and

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Speaker 1: found bruised and emaciated, with bindings and a brand on

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Speaker 1: her shoulder that says Exodus. Her hair has also been cut.

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Speaker 2: We would have to ask Sherry that did tattoo. I'd

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Speaker 2: be like, okay, whatever, But you said branded, it's different.

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Speaker 1: It's branded. It was burned onto her.

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Speaker 1: She claims that she was captured by two Hispanic women

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Speaker 1: avoided doing media interviews after she had escaped. She even

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Speaker 2: Crad Did she escape or negotiate her release?

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Speaker 1: Well, what happened was they she was found dropped on

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Speaker 1: Now I'm starting, and someone picks her up and he

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Speaker 1: her Sherry Panini and then she says Peppini. So a

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Speaker 2: Has She's not very good negotiator.

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Speaker 1: She has u ties. What are those zip ties?

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Speaker 1: Cable ties? Right, So she avoids doing me to interviews

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Speaker 1: so disingenuine and so unlikable. She talks about things that

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Speaker 1: difficult to believe. There was also a skinheads dot com

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Speaker 1: article amidst all of this, it was discovered that Sherry

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Speaker 1: Being white is my family, my roots, my way of life.

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Speaker 1: It's always there. There's no denying it. It's nobility, its strength,

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Speaker 1: it will be there. To lift me up when I

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Speaker 1: When asked about this post, Sherry denies writing it and

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Speaker 2: Why would someone in personate her and go on a

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Speaker 1: It is random, But this is what happens when someone

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Speaker 1: On October twenty fifth, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: So you find these cases that are very that just

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's lots of questions. I think that.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to be confusing. In this case, it

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Speaker 2: just said she's a liar. She's a liar, so well

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Speaker 1: So Sherry Peppini asks the FBI, can you do a

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Speaker 1: sketch of the two women who abducted me? So she

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Speaker 1: it to the media, and it's two Hispanic women, a

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Speaker 2: She's just like so she asked for criminal sketch artists. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So basically they do the sketches of these two Hispanic women.

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Speaker 1: They release it. The media releases it like this is

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Speaker 1: back DNA testing from her clothing from when she was abducted,

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Speaker 2: And is it has it been excluded that it's not

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Speaker 1: No, it's not it's not her that out Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 1: So in the years following Sherry's return, local investigators as

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they don't find any female DNA. They only

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Speaker 1: The DNA evidence did not match her story. Investigators found

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Speaker 2: Wait, how did they make that connection?

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Speaker 1: Though they did, I don't know. They ran it through

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Speaker 1: Well no or no, Maybe it wasn't codis. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: Maybe the voluntarily.

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Speaker 1: The lack of forensic evidence supporting the abduction. There were

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Speaker 1: And then there were some blonde hairs that were kind

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Speaker 2: Like someone pulls up to kidnapp her, and she's like,

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Speaker 2: hold on one second, she rolls up her earbuds. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So he finds her phone. He actually before he

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Speaker 2: That's even weirder.

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Speaker 1: Why is that weirder?

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Speaker 2: Took a picture of your phone when I found it?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess because it was evidence and

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Speaker 2: So he takes photos and he might be in it.

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Speaker 2: We'll find out he's gone.

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Speaker 1: He's not in it. Unusual branding. The forensic experts suggests

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Speaker 1: that exodus branding looked deliberate and controlled, not consistent with

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Speaker 2: It looked like she just I don't know, being wrapped up.

439
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 1: Yes, so they found on her penterress page that the

440
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 1: same wooden tools that were used to brand her back

441
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: were part of her pinteress page.

442
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 2: Did they check her Amazon account and she purchased like

443
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 2: a brand?

444
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 1: She didn't purchase them. James ray As purchased them. Oh

445
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,239
Speaker 1: really yes, and he had the receipt for it.

446
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 2: Wait, so why are we bothered at? Okay, so she

447
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,360
Speaker 2: wanted to go away and get branded by her ex

448
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 2: boyfriend or whatever. What's the what's the issue?

449
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: Because she said to she said to Hispanic women abducted her.

450
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,679
Speaker 1: The theory is or what what it comes down to

451
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: is that ray As is her ex boyfriend and she

452
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 1: was having and she calls an emotional affair with him.

453
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 1: They got burner phones and they were communicating. Then he

454
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 1: comes from he lives in Coasta, Mesa. He drives from

455
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,439
Speaker 1: Coasta Mesa to reading anything emotion. She's trying to say

456
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:04,719
Speaker 1: she didn't have sex with them.

457
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, so was it emotional DNA they found on

458
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 2: her underwear?

459
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 1: Yes, it was an emotional DNA on her underwear.

460
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 2: Very well, keep gone.

461
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 1: So they finally figure out because they don't believe her story.

462
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 1: The two masks, the getting picked up on Thanksgiving?

463
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 2: Where city they find her in the same city.

464
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: No, they found her one hundred and fifty miles away.

465
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought, wasn't it down here in Coasta Mesa

466
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: or something.

467
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 1: No, she was James Ray's lived in Coasta Mesa and

468
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 1: that's where she spent the twenty two days in Coasta Mesa.

469
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 1: Then he drove her, I don't know, one hundred like

470
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: towards Redding and then dropped her off on the side.

471
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 2: Of the enough emotions for the weekend.

472
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: When they on and zip ties she gets out of

473
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: the car. I think there's actually surveillance of her running

474
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 1: without the zip ties. And then when they and then

475
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: when the police come then find her, she's zip tied,

476
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 1: cable ties whatever they're called. And so basically what happens

477
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 1: was what they didn't believe her story from the beginning.

478
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: So they're investigating her the whole time, even though they're

479
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: not telling her they're investigating her. They just keep interviewing

480
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 1: her and interviewing the husband.

481
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: And so she just divulges all this information while the.

482
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: Whole time the FBI is like, this is a bunch

483
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 1: of crap and they're investigating her without telling her. So

484
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 1: they find the DNA, they link it to James Ray

485
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: As the police go to Costa Mesa and they interview

486
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: him and you can see they don't show him on camera.

487
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: He clearly did not agree to show his imass or something. Yeah,

488
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: they show body cams and they show audio, I mean

489
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 1: not show, but you can hear audio, but they don't

490
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: show his face on camera.

491
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 2: Because he's just a witness at this point.

492
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: Well, and what he says is that she asked him

493
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: to come and pick her up because her husband's abusive

494
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 1: and she wants to get out of the marriage. So

495
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: in his eyes or the way he explains it is

496
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: he's just helping this girl out. So he comes and

497
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 1: he picks her Upie takes her to Coast to Mesa.

498
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: Then she stays for twenty two days in his house.

499
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 2: He probably can't stand her.

500
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he claims that all the physical things,

501
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: all the harm, the bruises, everything, it was self inflicted,

502
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: that she did it to herself, or that she directed

503
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: him to do it. I guess he was a hockey

504
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 1: player and she told him to hit her with a

505
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: hockey puck and he broke her.

506
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 2: Notes like she liked it or like to set up her.

507
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: To set up her story. I guess that's how that's

508
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: how much.

509
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 2: Then he's a psycho too, because it's like, oh, let

510
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: me go help this woman. What do you need? Do

511
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 2: you need me to smack you in the face with

512
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 2: that hockey puck?

513
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: I agree. I don't understand for one second why this

514
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 1: James Rays guy goes along with this, Probably because.

515
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 2: He initially tried to save her and help her, and

516
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: then you know, get emotional with her, and then they

517
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: come down to coast to Mesa, and then he realized

518
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: she's psycho. And then she says, well, let me let

519
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 2: me like complete the story and you have I have

520
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 2: been a so hit me in the face. And he's

521
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: like gladly because she's psycho. And then he tied her

522
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 2: up and dumped her off and he wants nothing to

523
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 2: do with her anymore.

524
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would say that, I would say

525
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: that's pretty much in a nutshell.

526
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if she was nice and pleasant, I don't

527
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: think he would hit her in the face with the

528
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: hockey puck.

529
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: One he goes along with this story two. When they

530
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: interview him, he does not seem to be highly intelligent

531
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 1: at all. He seems very like.

532
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 2: Wasn't there receipts for a hotel too? Did they stay

533
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 2: in a hotel or his place?

534
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: No, they stayed at his home. There was a receipt

535
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: for him buying the wood burning tools he had that.

536
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: He's like, look, here's a receipt told me to buy it.

537
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 1: And I think that they don't. The FBI doesn't give

538
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: you a lot of information in these interviews that they do.

539
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: They're very careful about their tools and tactics and behind

540
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: the scenes.

541
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: Well, that way, then she could say something that might

542
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 2: conflict with what they found, and then that would be

543
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: more suspicious.

544
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: Right. But I'm just saying, even when they talk about

545
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 1: it after the fact, even giving interviews after the fact,

546
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: they don't give away a lot of information about how

547
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: they knew James was manipulated by her. I know he passed,

548
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: you know, a lie detector test, but we'll talk later

549
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,239
Speaker 1: about her because she takes one later. But I just

550
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: I don't I feel like he's almost so simple, like

551
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 1: he's not highly intelligent, that he just went along with

552
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: this crazy scheme, because who in their right mind, has

553
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: someone stayed with them for twenty two days when they

554
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: have a wife, when they have a husband and young children,

555
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 1: and then goes along with physically abusing them, and then

556
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: goes along with dumping them on the side of the road,

557
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: and doesn't think that that looks bad for them.

558
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: It really makes my life feel very boring. Yeah, you're like, yeah,

559
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 2: like you know, and he's probably less stressed than I

560
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: am in.

561
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: His life, probably so. After they found James's DNA, this

562
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: was in August of twenty twenty, the FBI contacted and

563
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: questioned James Reyes at his home in Coasta, Mesa, And

564
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: let's just talk about what he told the investigators. He

565
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: says that Peppini had reached out to him. He confirmed

566
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: that he and Peppini had previously dated in the early

567
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: two thousands. They were in constant communication via burner phones.

568
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: Months before her disappearance, she'd tell him she needed to

569
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: escape her abusive marriage and start over. He agreed to

570
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: help her and picked her up in Reading, driving her

571
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: six hundred miles south to his apartment in Costa Mesa.

572
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: He claims she was never kidnapped. Rey said that Peppini

573
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: stayed willingly in his apartment for the entire twenty two

574
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: days that she was missing. He described her as staying

575
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: mostly inside doing household chores, watching TV, and exercising. He

576
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: claims she even watched the news coverage of her own disappearance.

577
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: Injuries were self inflicted or assisted by him. Reyes admitted

578
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: to helping her create some of the injuries, including holding

579
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: a hockey stick so she could run into it and

580
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: purposefully causing bruising. Branding her shoulder using a wood burning

581
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: tool was at her request, she says later in an interview,

582
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: to kind of to I don't know, get past the

583
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: wood burning thing, because you know, I told you this.

584
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: Wood burning tools were on her own pinterant page. The

585
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: way she explains it after the fact is she says, oh, well,

586
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: when he kidnapped me, we were having a conversation and

587
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: I was telling him about how I was making these

588
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: handcrafted Christmas cards with wood burning tools, and he was

589
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: so interested in it that he went out and bought

590
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: someone branded my you know, my shoulder. I mean, do

591
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: you really think she's in Costa Mesa with James Ray's

592
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: talking about how she makes Christmas cards for her kids.

593
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: No, she's watching the coverage of her own.

594
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: Right. Security cameras show Peppini running through an empty parking

595
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: lot towards the highway on Thanksgiving morning. In the footage,

596
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: her hands are not tied together. She is running normally. However,

597
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: when a driver found her on the side of the road,

598
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: they were zip tied and she was wearing a chain

599
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: around her waist. She's like, don't forget to bring the

600
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: zip ties and chain. I'll just put him in a

601
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: I'll just I'll hang on to him and then right

602
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: before the police come, I'll just put them on myself.

603
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: I've always said ziptized. Are they not ziptized?

604
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: Sable?

605
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: Okay, reyas cooperated fully with the FBI. He consented to

606
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: DNA collection, provided text messages, and allowed investigators to search

607
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: his apartment. He passed the polygraph test, and authorities confirmed

608
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: no chargers were filed against him as he had no

609
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: criminal intent and was considered a cooperating witness. All right,

610
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: so his account directly contradicted everything Peppini had told law

611
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: enforcement and investigators now had a motive, a means, and

612
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: the evidence, which was the DNA, the phone records, and

613
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: the injury creation and that she'd faked her own abduction.

614
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: The DOJ said Rey's cooperation was truthful, consistent, and corroborated

615
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: by physical evidence. So the FBI is slowly building their case.

616
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: From twenty twenty to twenty twenty two, investigators kept the

617
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: case quiet for nearly two years. We talked about that.

618
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: How they continue to talk to Pappinie, have interviews with her,

619
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: but obviously they don't give away any information that they're

620
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: investigating this as they kidnapping hoax.

621
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: No let her say anything she wants.

622
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: Right, They confirm and consistency in her interviews. They track

623
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: how she spent one hundred thousand plus dollars of victim funds,

624
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: disability payments, and go fundme donations.

625
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: Some of those gounfund me things are people are way

626
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: too quick to just set them up and give people money,

627
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: and it's like there's probably a lot of scammers on there.

628
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: Well, she got disability because so she's taking disability. She

629
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: also received money from like a California victims fund. And

630
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: then also clearly the state or the city or whoever

631
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: pays for it, taxpayers pay for her for the search efforts.

632
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: So they build a case against her for mail fraud

633
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: which are the benefits that she received, and false statement,

634
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: which is lying to federal agents. On March third of

635
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, Sherry Peppini is arrested while tending her

636
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: children's music lessons. The charges against her are mail fraud

637
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: and making false statements to federal officers. The FBI released

638
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: a forty four page data outlining all her planning with

639
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: ray As, her false statements about the two Hispanic women,

640
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: and her misuse of victim compensation funds. On April eighteenth

641
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, Sherry Peppini pleaded guilty to one

642
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: count of mail fraud and one count of making false statements.

643
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: Now I know they do an interview with her attorney

644
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: and she makes it like and when she talks about

645
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: the allegations against her, and when they arrest her, she

646
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: does this very woe is me. I don't even understand

647
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: what's going on. I don't even understand why I'm in jail.

648
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: I don't understand anything against me. And she talks about

649
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: how like someone else and jail with her had to

650
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: explain the charges to her because she didn't even understand

651
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: what was going on. I just felt like when she talks,

652
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: she does a very good job of doing this like

653
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: victim role. She's very good at that. Here's just something

654
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: else I want to talk about, because if you watch

655
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: a Perfect Wife or maybe even in the in her

656
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,239
Speaker 1: recent interview, after she was married to Keith, I'm not

657
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: sure how long after, but she got caught texting other

658
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: men and she has a little history, well, she has

659
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: a history of what she calls always having these emotional affairs.

660
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: And I like how she calls them emotional affairs so

661
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: that she's never actually admitting that she has sex with

662
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: any of these other men. It's basically like Keith was

663
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: so terrible to her, and he was so awful, and

664
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: he wouldn't even talk to her, and he was controlling

665
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: and abusive and all these things that she claims that

666
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: she always had to have these emotional affairs with other men,

667
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: and she would save you know, these other guy's numbers

668
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: with like a female name, so she probably had like

669
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: Jane and you know, Laurie and all these people that

670
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: she was texting with, but they were men. Anyway, Keith

671
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: finds out that she's been having these you know, emotional

672
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: affairs as she calls them, with other men, and he

673
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,719
Speaker 1: makes her sign a post nuptial agreement after they've been

674
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: married for a while.

675
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: This is prior pre kidnapping.

676
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: This is pre kidnapping. So I didn't read. I tried

677
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: to find the post nuptial agreement. They actually show it

678
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: a little bit on the four part series where she

679
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: does an interview.

680
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: But do you have money or something?

681
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: I don't think they have a lot of money. They

682
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: seem just very middle class to me. He's like an

683
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: audio visual specialist for Best Buy and she's a stay

684
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: at home mom. So basically, after he finds out that

685
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: she's having, you know, these emotional affairs and she's texting

686
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: other men, he makes her sign a post nuptial agreement.

687
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: Why does he just make her agree not to have

688
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: these emotional affairs like.

689
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: A post non emotional affair agreement, So she signs this

690
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: post nuptial agreement. It's completely one sided. It's basically says

691
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: if she's caught, well.

692
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: It's probably not even valid. I bet he just drafted

693
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: himself and said, here's sign this right, which you can't do.

694
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: Both sides need to have an attorney. Even if she

695
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: says I don't want an attorney, she kind of has

696
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: to have an attorney to make it valid.

697
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: Well, I actually read in a pre nuptial agreement both

698
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: people have to have representation, but for some reason, in

699
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: a post nuptial it doesn't say that you have to

700
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: have representation. It says that it can't be one sided

701
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: and it can't be unconscionable, but it recommends that you.

702
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he should have made sure she had an

703
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: attorney so she can't later say what, I didn't know

704
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: what was going on.

705
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: Well, the thing that is interesting to me is that

706
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: they make a big deal about this post nuptial agreement,

707
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: about how one sided it was, and in my mind,

708
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm thinking it wouldn't even be enforceable. Everybody's making it

709
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: like he forced her to sign it.

710
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: Whole scheme of things anyway.

711
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: Well, to me, I think the post nuptial agreement is

712
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: very important because I feel as if she wanted to

713
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: have an affair with James ray As, but the only

714
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 1: way she could have an affair is to make it

715
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: look like a kidnapping hoax so that the post nuptial

716
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: agreement wouldn't come into effect because basically he made her

717
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: sign a very one did.

718
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: The post agreement steps then they do.

719
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: With an affair, Yes, he made her sign it.

720
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: Basically, you can't do that stuff anyway. Sorry, you can't

721
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: do that stuff anyway. You can't be like, if you

722
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: cheat on me, you don't get this money.

723
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying this nuptial agreement that he made

724
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: her sign was basically, if you cheat on me, if

725
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: you talk to other men, if you have affairs, you

726
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: get nothing, you get no money, you.

727
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: Leave, or if you stage a kidnapping.

728
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, he forgot to add that part to.

729
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: The emotional affairs. If there's any male DNA found on you.

730
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: In your underwear, yes, so to me, I feel as

731
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: if the post nuptial agreement is very interesting because I

732
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: feel as if she created this whole kidnapping hoax in

733
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: order to have an affair with her ex boyfriend, and

734
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: if she did get caught, then she just blames it

735
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: on a kidnapping hoax so that she's not actually having

736
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,479
Speaker 1: an affair with her ex boyfriend, so that the post

737
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: nuptial agreement doesn't come into effect and he gets to

738
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: take the kids and all the money and everything, even though,

739
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: let's be honest, this post nuptial agreement wouldn't be valid anyway, passable.

740
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: It's one sided her it's valid.

741
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 1: Right, but she clearly thinks it's valid.

742
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: But you're just guessing all this.

743
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm just putting.

744
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: I'm just putting your theory.

745
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: My theory is that she she.

746
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: Signed the agreement and then she tried to abide.

747
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: By it, and then she tried to abide by it

748
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: by thinking, I want to have an affair with my

749
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: ex emotion my boyfriend, an emotional affair, and I'm going

750
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: to do it. However, I can't get caught having an affair,

751
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: so I have to make it look like a kidnapping.

752
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: So there you go. That's just my my thoughts on.

753
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 2: That her commitment to having affairs is right.

754
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: Yes, it is right.

755
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

756
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: I remember when they do the four part interview where

757
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: she speaks up and she now claims that it was

758
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: a kidnapping. So that's where we're at now, current like

759
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: present day.

760
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 2: Well, so she still admits it's that or she still

761
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 2: sticks to the story that's a kidnapping.

762
00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: No, So she was arrested and for the kidnapping, she

763
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: signs a plea agreement with very specific language basically saying

764
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: that she planned a hoax, that it was a fake kidnapping.

765
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: She signs it, and then she's sentenced to I believe,

766
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: two years in prison. She's released from prison. Now that

767
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: she's released from prison, here we are in present day

768
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: and now she's doing interviews and she's saying, you know what,

769
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: it wasn't a kidnapping hoax. I was abducted. So that's

770
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: where we're at today. She's now recanting, well, what's the matter.

771
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: You already served your time, lady. I don't know, but

772
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: she claims she's married to this guy.

773
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: Still.

774
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: No, he filed for divorce after she was the I

775
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: don't know. They don't they They do an interview with

776
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: her family law attorney, which is entertaining. She's very entertaining.

777
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: Does she have access to those kids? I wouldn't want

778
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 2: her to have accesses?

779
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: No, currently she does.

780
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 2: Without supervised visitation.

781
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: So she's fighting for that's a saying because that's where

782
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: we're at currently is she's now recanting the kidnapping hoax

783
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: and saying that she was abducted by James. She's claiming

784
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: that she lied about it because I guess because she

785
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: was scared of him, or she didn't want her husband

786
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: to know she was having an affair so she made

787
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: up the two Hispanic women. She doesn't want her husband

788
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: or anyone to know that she was with James, so

789
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: she claims she was abducted by two Hispanic women. Then

790
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: when they found when the FBI says we know it

791
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: was James because his DNA is in your underwear and

792
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 1: we've interviewed him, then she says, oh, well, I said

793
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: it was James's mom, and I described James's mom, so

794
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: it would lead you to James without me actually saying

795
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: it was James. And now that she's out of prison,

796
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 1: she's saying it wasn't a kidnapping hoax, it really was James.

797
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: But then I found the FBI investigator said, which I

798
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: found funny. He goes, he said, well, James Ray's his

799
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 1: mom was Irish or something like that, Like she wasn't

800
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: Hispanic anyway. Yeah, she wasn't Hispanic anyway. And she wasn't

801
00:38:58,760 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: and she wasn't Hispanic.

802
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 2: Why are they even entertaining whatever she has is saying anyway?

803
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, you know that's maybe.

804
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 2: The public because she's speaking about it and it's interesting,

805
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: but like, why is law enforcement bothering with her? They

806
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 2: shouldn't be, Well, they're not.

807
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: Now she's been released from prison and they're not. But

808
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Now she's doing all these interviews. So

809
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: now she did this interview with Investigation Discovery. They made

810
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: a four part series about her. She went on Nick Vile,

811
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: the Vile Files, and she's doubling down on them. Believe

812
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: her story that it was a real abduction.

813
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: So let's we get her on here and we call

814
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: her out.

815
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: You want to get Sherry Pepina. Can we make that happen.

816
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: Let's make Scherry call her out. I would love for

817
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: you to do an interview with Shane Simpson.

818
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 2: Oh so many holes in her story. It's ridiculous.

819
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: So Sherry pleaded guilty to one count of mail fraud,

820
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: one count of making false statements, and she was sentenced

821
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: to eighteen okay, it was eighteen months in prison and

822
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: agreed to pay three hundred and nine thousand, six hundred

823
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: and eighty six dollars and thirty three cents in a restitution.

824
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: This was the breakdown. She took thirty thousand, six hundred

825
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: ninety four dollars from the California Victim Compensation Board. She

826
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: took one hundred and twenty seven thousand, seven hundred and

827
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: eighty three dollars from the Social Security Administration for benefits,

828
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty eight thousand to the Shasta County

829
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: Sheriff's office for the cost of investigating the case, and

830
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: twenty five hundred and fifty eight dollars to the FBI

831
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: for the government sentencing or to the FBI for their

832
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: role in it doesn't seem like a lot. Twenty five

833
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: hundred dollars to the FBI, I don't know, but anyway,

834
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: that's where they got the breakdown of what her restitution was,

835
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: which was a total.

836
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 2: Sharyot money like that without I mean, she was able

837
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: to bamboozle them and get all that money. Well, she got.

838
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: Money from the California Victim Compensation, then she got money

839
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: from the Social Security Administration offices for benefits because she

840
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: said she.

841
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: Was disabled, just to hand out six figures like that.

842
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 1: So Sherry Peppini is released from prison after serving about

843
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: eleven months in a federal facility. She was released to

844
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: a residential re entry center then placed on supervised probation.

845
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: So what has she been doing from twenty twenty three

846
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: to currently? She lost custody of her two children and

847
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: who now live with her ex husband Keith. She began

848
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: telling a revised version of the story, claiming Reya psychologically

849
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: manipulated her and that she was trapped in twenty twenty

850
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: four to twenty twenty five. Her new claims were featured

851
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: in Perfect Wife, which I told you guys to watch,

852
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: and Caught in the Lie which is the new one

853
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: on HBO, which is her most recent interview. And then

854
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: I guess she has a self published memoir Sherry Peppini

855
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: doesn't exist. And then she did the Vile Files podcast,

856
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: so that's where she's out speaking now. Also, this was

857
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: another thing that was in this new documentary is she

858
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: takes a polygraph and I thought for sure that she

859
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: was going to fail this polygraph.

860
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 2: Because clearly asked her.

861
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: So Sharry and James both took polygraphs and both passed,

862
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: despite their stories contradicting one another.

863
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 2: Enough for me, what did they ask or know?

864
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: I do? I do know the questions that she passed.

865
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: I'll tell you first of all, she failed some of

866
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: the questions, and she passed some of the questions. The

867
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: ones that she passed, though, were the ones that were

868
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: the most important because they go to the heart of

869
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: this story that she's now telling. So among the questions

870
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: she was asked while at james house in twenty sixteen,

871
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: were you free to leave at any time without fear

872
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: of violence? And did you ask James to brand you?

873
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: She answered no to both of those questions and she

874
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: passed them. Also, I don't know, maybe that's a too

875
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: too much compound in sent Yeah, that's.

876
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: What I'm saying. It matters what they asked.

877
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: Were you free to leave at any time without fear

878
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: of violence? I don't know, I mean maybe that's just

879
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: too convoluted instead of just asking were you free to leave? Right?

880
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: You know, Like, I think they made the questions too complicated. Also,

881
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: I was also thinking that maybe she passed because there's

882
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: been a long period of time since the kidnapping to

883
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: when she took this lie detector test.

884
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: And who administered light test? Like who who was it

885
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: that set it up? Did she just do it on

886
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: her own?

887
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: She did it through this new interview, this interview that

888
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: she did, so I don't know because she did it

889
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: on camera.

890
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: What was the second question you referenced, did you ask.

891
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 1: James to brand you? Which is very straightforward? She said

892
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: no and she passed that maybe she didn't ask him,

893
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: Maybe she just gave him the branding tools.

894
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: I'm saying how they asked her, there should be follow

895
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: up questions. There may very well have been.

896
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were other questions that she was asked that

897
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: she did not pass.

898
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: Do polygraph questions are they only? Are they mostly yes?

899
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: No?

900
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: Questions? Well I don't or like factual like a date

901
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 2: or something, or can it be how did you get

902
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: the branding?

903
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: I think you're supposed to make the questions as simplistic

904
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: as possible with with yes no answers, because what the

905
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: what what it's reading is a physical response. But my

906
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: thought was this kidnapping happened in twenty sixteen. Here she

907
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: is in twenty twenty five taking a lie detector test.

908
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: Does the passage of time make a difference on a

909
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: physical response? Maybe she's told this story so many times

910
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: at this point.

911
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: But you know what, even if she's even those questions

912
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: are accurately answered, it doesn't It doesn't help with anything.

913
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: It's a mess. Was she wasn't she under what her?

914
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't make any sense. Right, It's still

915
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: a mess. Right, doesn't solve the case.

916
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any solving it. I think what

917
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: it comes down to is I think she's a known

918
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: liar and narcissist and sociopath. I think that she she

919
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: The fact that they had burner phones and they were

920
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: communicating she and James, Well, it's.

921
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: Anyone that says they're having any emotional fair right there,

922
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: they're lying.

923
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: And the fact that she's returned on Thanksgiving Day, she

924
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: didn't pick her kids up from daycare that day. I mean,

925
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. To me, it just seems like it

926
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: was concocted by her. It was her way of having

927
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: an affair without her husband knowing that she was having

928
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: an affair. It was an elaborate scheme. I think she

929
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: lies a lot. I think she's a master at lying.

930
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: Her interview, there were several parts of her interview that

931
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 1: really bothered me. In this newest interview that she did,

932
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: there was one part where she looks directly at the

933
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 1: camera when she's talking to the producer, because the producer

934
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: says something like why did you lie? And she looks

935
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: right at the camera and she goes, haven't you lied?

936
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: Haven't you lied? Have you ever in your life lied?

937
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: And I remember sitting there looking at her and thinking, yeah,

938
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure all of us a little bit, like I'll

939
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: tell Annabel that, you know, we don't have any cookies left.

940
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: I remember telling the boys that McDonald's was closed, Like.

941
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 2: You come home and I say where were you? And

942
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I was kidnapped. This guy was having

943
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: the emotional affair with right.

944
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: I just I thought, Wow, the nerve of this woman

945
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: to look directly in the camera at us out here,

946
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: at the audience and say, haven't you ever lied?

947
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 2: The answer is yes, she did. That's what she's saying.

948
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, exactly, Well she's saying she lied about the kidnapping.

949
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, so, you know, of all things, what

950
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 2: gets to me is I wake up worried, stressed about

951
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: my day. Bill's getting paid this net and these people

952
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 2: live just one day at a time.

953
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: They live one one kidnapping hopes at a time. Yeah,

954
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: one whe detector test.

955
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 2: That got, I know, yeah, she got. She probably has

956
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 2: way less stress than I do.

957
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: Probably. Scherry claims that James passed the lie detector test

958
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: because he's a sociopath, not her.

959
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not her.

960
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 1: She's not the sociopath. It's James. He's a sociopath. Keith

961
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 1: Peppini claims that his daughter Violet and said Sherry would

962
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: force her children to inhale cotton swabs drenched and rubbing

963
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 1: alcohol when they were sick to make them even more sick.

964
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: Sherry denies this, claiming she gave her children essential oils

965
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: when they were sick because they were allergic to vis

966
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: That was one of the things he said in the documentary.

967
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: If you watch The Perfect Wife, at the very end,

968
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: he talks about how his children said that she would

969
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: so like cotton balls and alcohol and then tie it

970
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: around their neck. I don't know if there's any truth

971
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: to that. I have no idea. It doesn't make any

972
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: sense that you would tie anything around a child's neck.

973
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's essential oils or if it's alcohol.

974
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: It all seems very odd to me. Sherry's therapist, family lawyer,

975
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: and sister in law whose name is Suzanne, that's Key's

976
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: biological sister, all believe her story. First of all, when

977
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: you talk about let me just say this, if you

978
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: guys watch the four part documentary of her recent interview,

979
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 1: they do interview her therapist. Her therapist annoys me. He

980
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: believes everything this woman says.

981
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 2: He it's a male and you're willing. No, I don't

982
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: like him. Why did you just call him entertaining?

983
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: No, I don't like him. I don't like him at all,

984
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: because this is what I think. I think so many

985
00:47:55,080 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: people find a therapist that they yes therapist, someone that

986
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: they can manipulate, that they can just tell all their

987
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: their side of the story, and then the therapist is like,

988
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: those people are wrong, They shouldn't treat you like that.

989
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: You're right. Do you really get anything out of therapy

990
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: if you just find someone that just goes along with

991
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 1: everything that you're saying and they can't discern between delusion

992
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: and fact and lies. And I don't know, I just

993
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: didn't like the therapist. I felt that like the therapist

994
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: just enabled her by saying that, you know, he believes

995
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: everything she said. And the reason she lies is because

996
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: she has trauma. And when you have a lot of trauma,

997
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: you just lie about things because you can't really remember

998
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: what happened anyway, because there was trauma. I don't know.

999
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: In Sheery's HBO docuseries, this is the most recent one,

1000
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: her mother, who was supposedly on her side, explicitly said

1001
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: the incident was not a kidnapping. Sherry writes this off

1002
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 1: as her mother being confused, and also the editing twisting

1003
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: things around. I love when people blame the editing. That

1004
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 1: happens on Housewives too. Everyone for their bad behavior always

1005
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: likes to blame the editing. I like when people like

1006
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: after an episode comes out and everyone's liked, it was me,

1007
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: it was that iting. Keith Peppini still retains custody of

1008
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: their two children. Sherry has allowed one supervised visit per month,

1009
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: lasting about one hour. She's allowed weekly calls with the

1010
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: children at Keith's discretion. However, Sherry claims she's only seen

1011
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: her children three times since being out of prison. Also,

1012
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: there's another thing in her this most recent docuseries, she

1013
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: records herself having a phone call with her children. I

1014
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: guess she gets to talk to them on Sundays. So

1015
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 1: she sets up the camera and she records herself having

1016
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: a conversation with her kids. She's so dramatic. She she's

1017
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: overly like, oh baby, tell me more. Oh my gosh,

1018
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: I tell me so much. Yes. Then she hangs up

1019
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: with her children, and then she screams and is like

1020
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: grabbing her head and she's all dramatic, and she's sobbing

1021
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: and sobbing well right that she gets the one weekly

1022
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: phone call with them, And I'm just so I am

1023
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: so turned off by people who set up a phone

1024
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: to record themselves and then record themselves having this over

1025
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: the top, dramatic, ridiculous, you know response. And then they

1026
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: give it to the producers and they're like, here, here, here,

1027
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: here's what happens here, Please show this. This is what happens.

1028
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: You know when I only get a weekly call with

1029
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: my children, you know, I cry and scream and I

1030
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: act dramatic.

1031
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 2: I know there's people to do that. It's ridiculous.

1032
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: And then there's also another scene where I guess Keith

1033
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: comes over to where she's living and he wants her

1034
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: to sign custody of the children over, and she secretly

1035
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: records him. So she has the phone, she like puts

1036
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: it under the bed, she records him, and then they

1037
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: play this audio and I'm thinking, if you're trying to

1038
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: make this guy look bad, I actually agree with him.

1039
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: He goes over and he's like, let's just do this

1040
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: the easy way without having to pay attorneys and things

1041
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: like why don't you just sign the kids over to me,

1042
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: this is when she's going to prison. She signed a

1043
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: plea deal. She's going to prison, and she records it

1044
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: as if she's catching him, you know, being mean and

1045
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: being abusive to her. But let's be honest, she knows

1046
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: that she's recording the conversation, so she's very calm and

1047
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: she says everything correctly, and all it does is catch

1048
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 1: him saying that that she can do this the easy

1049
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: way or the hard way. She can either sign over

1050
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: custody of the kids or they can fight for custody,

1051
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: and she's going to federal prison. So again, I felt

1052
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: like that was a manipulation tactic of her trying to

1053
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: make this guy look bad and controlling and abusive and

1054
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: all these things. But anyway, I just found her behavior

1055
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: to be the manipulative behavior. But anyway, all right, are

1056
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: we gonna talk about her more?

1057
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: Is she like, well, I don't.

1058
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. It depends on if she

1059
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: has any she has more docuseries explain in trying to

1060
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: say that she it now was a kidnapping hoax. I

1061
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, who knows. This woman's all over

1062
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: the place. I don't trust anything that she says, and

1063
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: I do believe the kids are safer with their father.

1064
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: At least I feel like they have some stability with him.

1065
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 1: And I do know that she has a current family

1066
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: law case where she is trying to get more custody.

1067
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you can see what happens with that.

1068
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: But she'll get some visitation and then they'll be aged

1069
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 2: out and then they'll be into that.

1070
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: Anyway, we did our best to try to fit that

1071
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: story into an hour. It's very complex. There's a lot

1072
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: of other things that happen. I would suggest if you

1073
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 1: find Cherry Peppini's case interesting, to go back and watch

1074
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: A Perfect Wife on Hulu and then watch her four

1075
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: part recent series it's on Max. So thank you for

1076
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: listening to our Sherry Peppini case.

1077
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Sherry Peppinia to get for giving us

1078
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 2: something to talk about. And you are a nut. Just

1079
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 2: good luck with your life like it is, Shane.

1080
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: Thanks guys,