WEBVTT - How Anesthesia Works

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to you stuff you should know from house stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. There's Jerry, who's

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<v Speaker 1>about to go to the hardware store any second now,

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<v Speaker 1>which no, Jerry doesn't find that very funny. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>give the background there or to leave people wondering, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we need a trash cannon and dimmer background. But we've

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<v Speaker 1>been asking for I feel like months, but yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>can't be months because we haven't even been here that long.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been like four days. But what what? What's the

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<v Speaker 1>problem here? Why isn't there any movement on this? There's

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<v Speaker 1>a home depot a thousand yards Crossromt. Yeah. I specifically

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<v Speaker 1>didn't mention their name, but yes, it is the closest

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<v Speaker 1>well in Orange big box hardware retailer. We could also

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<v Speaker 1>support local business and go to an ACE instead, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or we could just talk about and it's like we're

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to. ACE is a big chain too, though, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think they're locally owned. Oh right, like Henry's

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<v Speaker 1>ACE Hardware. Sure. I like, Yeah, it's good stuff, very helpful,

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<v Speaker 1>very very knowledgeable staff, much more helpful. Than some of

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<v Speaker 1>the other big Bucks their orange and blue. Okay, that

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<v Speaker 1>was a great start to Uh, Chuck, Yes, do you

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<v Speaker 1>know how to spell anesthesia? I haven't. I struggle. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those And in fact, when you were out

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<v Speaker 1>of the room getting your coffee, Jerry was asking how

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<v Speaker 1>to spell it. I know, and I think she spelled

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<v Speaker 1>it right or maybe missed a letter. And Jerry, I

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<v Speaker 1>think she put an A where there was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be an E. Oh well, I think that it used

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<v Speaker 1>to be an accepted spelling. You know how in some

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<v Speaker 1>uh distant times, the forties the thirties, which Jerry identifies

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<v Speaker 1>with and like, anesthesia would have been spelled with an

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<v Speaker 1>A E rather than just an E because there was

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<v Speaker 1>another sound that. Yeah, it is a tricky one them.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh okay, Well, then my next question, Chuck, do you

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<v Speaker 1>know what anesthesia means? I do. Uh. It's from Greek,

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of medical terms, and this one stands

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<v Speaker 1>for the loss of sensation. And uh, we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>our personal experience as I assume, but I've never been

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<v Speaker 1>under general anesthesia. Yeah the big Daddy, Yeah, fully under view. No,

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<v Speaker 1>so neither one of us has had major surgery like

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<v Speaker 1>that then no knock would yeah, because after doing some

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<v Speaker 1>research on this, like, I don't know that I ever

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<v Speaker 1>would want to It's scary, I mean. And let me

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<v Speaker 1>just say also to anybody who is listening to this

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<v Speaker 1>prior to undergoing a surgical procedure that requires general anesthesia,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't mean to scare you know, but because it's uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about rate of death and and problems with it,

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<v Speaker 1>which there are still but it's super safe now for

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<v Speaker 1>the most part. But when you when you when I

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<v Speaker 1>was reading this, I was like, man, what they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>is is like bringing you toward death and then stopping

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<v Speaker 1>at a certain point, yeah, and just letting you hover

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<v Speaker 1>there then bringing you out when they're getting with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of like crazy heavy heavy drugs that are only

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<v Speaker 1>slightly different from what they used in the like early history,

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<v Speaker 1>which we're about to talk about. But it's really like

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's kind of nuts that and they still don't

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<v Speaker 1>know exactly how it works. And the reason why they

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how it works, especially we understand local anesthesia

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<v Speaker 1>and um twilight sedation, sure, well we don't understand is

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<v Speaker 1>general anesthesia. And the reason why we don't understand because

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<v Speaker 1>we don't understand how consciousness works, so how can we

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<v Speaker 1>understand how unconsciousness works. Yeah, it's pretty weird, and which

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<v Speaker 1>is what it works? Yes, it definitely does, and although

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<v Speaker 1>there are some risks associated with it, it is far, far,

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<v Speaker 1>far better than the alternative, which is no anesthesia, which

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<v Speaker 1>was the way it was for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean anesthesia is a relatively recent thing. Or getting

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<v Speaker 1>you super drunk, or hitting you in the head and

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<v Speaker 1>knocking you unconscious, which is not so knocking you unconscious

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<v Speaker 1>that qualifies anesthesia, but it's still not medical anesthesia. Giving

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<v Speaker 1>you drunk, giving you morphine, giving you marijuana, jim some weed, um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>rubbing stinging nettles on you to distract you from the

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<v Speaker 1>pain of having your leg cut off, belladonna, using ice,

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<v Speaker 1>all the stuff. These are so horrifics. These are narcotics.

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<v Speaker 1>These are just plain old distractions, um, but they don't

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<v Speaker 1>qualifies anesthesia. And the big difference, the the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>was such a huge, huge progression forward um with anesthesia

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<v Speaker 1>is that it doesn't just dull the pain. It dulls

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<v Speaker 1>the pain, it takes away your consciousness and it also

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<v Speaker 1>prevents you from creating memories during this experience, it gives

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<v Speaker 1>you amnesia. So it basically cuts a chunk out of

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<v Speaker 1>your lifetime that as far as your subjective experience goes,

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<v Speaker 1>does not exist. It didn't happen like you were on

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<v Speaker 1>the gurney going into the O. R room and you

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<v Speaker 1>wake up and you're in the hospital bed and you

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<v Speaker 1>have stitches, but there is nothing there in between, ideally

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<v Speaker 1>for general anesthesia, right, And that's how we can conduct surgery,

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<v Speaker 1>because before that there was surgery, but it was very

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<v Speaker 1>rare and it was very very awful. Yeah, and when

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we flew by some of those, but um,

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<v Speaker 1>we did mention a lot of this, uh sopaphorics and

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<v Speaker 1>narcotics that they use. They did knock you in the head,

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<v Speaker 1>they did get you drunk. Um. In fact, in the

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<v Speaker 1>mid forties, those were you know, opium and alcohol where

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<v Speaker 1>the two go toss like and a towel to bite on,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, and just to make you like be able

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<v Speaker 1>to tolerate the pain, which didn't really help. No, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I'm sure it helped. Uh, it dulled the pain,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not gonna do what you want, which is

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<v Speaker 1>to kill it completely or knock you out. Or render

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<v Speaker 1>you an asiatic an asiatic right, um. But the so

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<v Speaker 1>the those were the two go to that they use.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there were other ones to like um blood

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<v Speaker 1>lighting until a stupor or basically a coma was induced,

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<v Speaker 1>like you lost so much blood that's pretty dangerous. But

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<v Speaker 1>these were the These were the go to um pain

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<v Speaker 1>killers for surgery, and they still didn't work very well.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's weird is in the eighteen forties all that changed,

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<v Speaker 1>like not one, not two, but three anesthesia is UH

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<v Speaker 1>came into We're basically discovered for medical use, like almost

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<v Speaker 1>all at the same time. Yeah, people now they basically

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<v Speaker 1>say Crawford Long from right here in Georgia, University of

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia graduate fellow bulldog. UH. He was the first. He

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<v Speaker 1>performed a surgery removed a tumor from a neck from

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<v Speaker 1>a mr A bentable in UH late March eighteen forty two,

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<v Speaker 1>and also later did an amputation in a childbirth with

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<v Speaker 1>ether and UM. He was he was the guy, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was you know, it was pretty regional and people

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't know about it. Basically. I all think it's

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<v Speaker 1>the impression that he wasn't as much of a self

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<v Speaker 1>promoter as Dr William Morton. Uh, yeah, he did um

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<v Speaker 1>well William Morton in eighteen forty six. We might as

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<v Speaker 1>well go ahead and say he demonstrated it for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time in like a public surgical theater, right, and said,

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<v Speaker 1>here is what I'm doing, and this is new and

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<v Speaker 1>it's exciting, and I'm in Massachusetts on not some yokel

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<v Speaker 1>in Georgia pretty much, and that's how he gained the acclaim.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I guess Crawford Long was able to prove

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<v Speaker 1>that he'd done he'd used ether earlier. He's just like

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<v Speaker 1>it just wasn't being a big shot about it. I

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<v Speaker 1>was just using it. But you know, he discovered ether

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<v Speaker 1>by hanging out with friends who were huffing ether at

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<v Speaker 1>a party and supposedly he saw one guy run into

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<v Speaker 1>a door and like cut his head open, and Crawford Long,

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<v Speaker 1>being a doctor, was like, are you okay? And the

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<v Speaker 1>guy was like, what are you talking about? With like

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<v Speaker 1>blood spurting out of his forehead, and Crawford Long went,

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<v Speaker 1>that's pretty funny. Uh. And he went on to uh

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<v Speaker 1>tell Congress about it, as did doctor Charles Jackson, who

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<v Speaker 1>said that he had done it before Morton as well.

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<v Speaker 1>They both independently went to Congress. I was okay, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I did that first. All right, it's a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>self promotion. Ye, but Morton is the guy who gets

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<v Speaker 1>who gets the credit. He's the one who really introduced

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<v Speaker 1>it to the public. Well, it gets your credit as

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<v Speaker 1>the first demonstrator. Yeah, he's the one that you hear

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<v Speaker 1>of typically. Yeah, I would say Crawford Long though. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you're right. Yeah. Lots of hospitals named after him,

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<v Speaker 1>at least one here, although now no it's not cropfit

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<v Speaker 1>Long anymore. Did they change it, yeah, to home depot um.

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<v Speaker 1>So a little bit later on, there was a dentist,

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Horace Wells, who used the first dude to use

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<v Speaker 1>nitrous oxide bull teeth, and then chloroform was used by

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<v Speaker 1>Dr James Simpson and these things. You know, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be using that though, it's toxic. So Dr

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<v Speaker 1>Horace Wells actually is a pretty interesting story. It's where

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<v Speaker 1>chloroform um and nitrous oxide converge as a beautiful place.

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<v Speaker 1>So he tried. He extracted one of his own teeth

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<v Speaker 1>on nitrous and was like, this is great. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>read that history of Hippie crack article? Yeah, so this

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<v Speaker 1>all came after somebody, a guy named Joseph Priestley in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighteenth century synthesized nitrous oxide, and then very shortly

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<v Speaker 1>after that, a teenage prodigy named Humphrey Davy started huffing it.

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<v Speaker 1>And he actually had a box built for himself and

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<v Speaker 1>was placed in it for over an hour once, just

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<v Speaker 1>huffing nitrous oxide. That I am too, and he did

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<v Speaker 1>because that's so dangerous. Yes it is, but this guy

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<v Speaker 1>was huffing it like crazy. There must have been like

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<v Speaker 1>some escaping or other air getting at something, but he

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<v Speaker 1>huffed it for like an hour just for self experimentation.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time Horace Wells tried it on a tooth um,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of confidence and understanding of nitrous oxide. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>He was able to successfully remove his own own tooth

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<v Speaker 1>when he demonstrated it. He didn't dose the patient properly,

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<v Speaker 1>and the patient apparently cried out, and so Wells had

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<v Speaker 1>staked all his reputation on this demonstration just failed utterly

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<v Speaker 1>and ended up on skid row in New York. Went

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<v Speaker 1>on a chloroform bender and ended up throwing acid on

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of women. Was put in, yeah, was put

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<v Speaker 1>in jail and ended up committing aside by slashing his

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<v Speaker 1>fomoral artery with the razor from a shaving kit. But

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<v Speaker 1>he was on chloroform, so he was anesthetized ironically when

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<v Speaker 1>he died. Oh well that's good. Weird, Yeah, what it's

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<v Speaker 1>strange history. But so the point is in in the chloroform,

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<v Speaker 1>nitrous ox side in ether all emerged to form anesthesia. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, I mean it would have come around eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not so different today. Like I said that,

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<v Speaker 1>we're still using heavy duty drugs to knock people clean

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<v Speaker 1>out and monitor them so they don't die from it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty crazy. Well, what one other thing about the

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<v Speaker 1>introduction of anesthesia is that it took another fifty or

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<v Speaker 1>so years before the medical establishment said yes, we need,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to use this widely and and as part

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<v Speaker 1>of standard and best practices. And part of that was

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<v Speaker 1>because pain was seen as necessary. It was a sign

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<v Speaker 1>that the patient was alive, was still idle. Um, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a macho edge to it from what

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<v Speaker 1>I understand. Uh. And then um, there was also a

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<v Speaker 1>reluctance to draw attention to the fact that surgery is

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<v Speaker 1>extremely painful. Yeah, because they didn't want people to not

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<v Speaker 1>go to the doctor much. Yea. So it took like

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<v Speaker 1>fifty years to catch on. So imagine being one of

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<v Speaker 1>those patients where the modern medicine is well aware of anesthesia,

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<v Speaker 1>but it hasn't adopted it yet. That's worse than being

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<v Speaker 1>a patient before they understood there was such a thing

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<v Speaker 1>as anesthesia. Yeah, Or imagine being because there was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of figuring it out along the way, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as dosage and stuff like that. Because so

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of you know, unwitting guinea pigs.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess there were Doc that hurts, don't take a

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<v Speaker 1>little more that, or Doc, I'm dead, you know. Like

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<v Speaker 1>you remember the castration episode we did, and they talked

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<v Speaker 1>about how they would use opium as an anesthesia, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was very easy to accidentally overdose the little boys

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<v Speaker 1>when you were removing their testicles. I think the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing happened when you were cutting off a man's leg

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<v Speaker 1>in the Civil War. Wait, removing testicles. Yeah, for castration, circumcision.

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<v Speaker 1>The castration said circumcision, man, We've we've done both. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought I was like, man, I thought circumcision

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<v Speaker 1>was something different. No, that's that means the circumcision is

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<v Speaker 1>going horribly awry. Yeah. Man, we've covered some gruesome stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>We really have, you know. All right, well, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we'll take a break here and talk about some of

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<v Speaker 1>the different methods UH of anesthesia right after this. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>before we broke, we teased you a little bit with

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<v Speaker 1>the different types, and here we go. And up first

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<v Speaker 1>is my favorite twilight sleep. UH. If you've had your

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<v Speaker 1>wisdom teeth out or maybe an endoscopy. Um, there's plenty

0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:08.840
<v Speaker 1>of procedures that use it. You might have had twilight

0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:14.440
<v Speaker 1>sleep or conscious sedation or twilight anesthesia, and UM, I

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<v Speaker 1>had some for when I had my my tooth replaced

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<v Speaker 1>my front tooth. And it's always fun because it feels

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<v Speaker 1>great going in. You just relish those like ten or

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen seconds, and then it feels fun coming out because

0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:31.640
<v Speaker 1>you know you don't know what's going on. It's more

0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:35.560
<v Speaker 1>fun when you're picking up you're a loved one. Picked

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<v Speaker 1>up Emily after her endoscopy and I went in and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I didn't think that my video

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<v Speaker 1>going already, but she was like, I think everyone's throwing

0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:46.520
<v Speaker 1>a party for me. Like what the people behind the curtain.

0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.160
<v Speaker 1>They're throwing a party. I saw balloons and it was

0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:51.360
<v Speaker 1>very cute because they're like so out of it. And

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<v Speaker 1>when I came out of my wisdom teeth, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I may have told this before, but I my friend

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<v Speaker 1>told me that this particular doctor put bunny ears on

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<v Speaker 1>you and took a picture because you're all puffed up

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<v Speaker 1>and you have bandages around your face. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not gonna happen to me. I guarantee it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I remember distinctly seeing the lady come in with the

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<v Speaker 1>bunny ears, put them on my head and get the

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<v Speaker 1>polaroid out and said smile, and I just went I

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<v Speaker 1>gave a big smile, so that that actually, that's well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's definitely twilight sedation, Yes, because you are out of it.

0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.320
<v Speaker 1>You're but you're still conscious and you're still able to

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<v Speaker 1>follow instructions. Yeah, but you don't know that. When you

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<v Speaker 1>wake up, quote unquote, you feel like I did nothing happen,

0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:39.840
<v Speaker 1>but they're like, no, you were talking to us and stuff.

0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:44.520
<v Speaker 1>So weird. It is very weird. Um, the Twilight sedation,

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<v Speaker 1>they used virtually the same drugs in a lot of

0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:52.480
<v Speaker 1>cases that they used for general anesthesia, right, just smaller doses.

0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:57.360
<v Speaker 1>So they'll use a sedative or something like that, like ketamine. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we said major drugs. I mean, if you've heard

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, falling into a k hole. Uh, that's

0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:09.120
<v Speaker 1>the same drug. Yeah, it's just crazy. That's like we're like, oh,

0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:10.800
<v Speaker 1>back in the days, they use cocaine on people and

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<v Speaker 1>that's nuts, right, Kee, big difference. Um. Yeah, so there's

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<v Speaker 1>like ketamine there. They might use something like valium or

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<v Speaker 1>at a van or something like that. Um. They'll probably

0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:29.320
<v Speaker 1>also use the dissociative, which apparently disconnects your nerves from

0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:33.920
<v Speaker 1>your brain. Yeah, that's what value is. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And then also they'll use an analgesic, which is just

0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:39.640
<v Speaker 1>another word for pain killer. So you've got all these

0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.880
<v Speaker 1>strings working in combination, probably given to you intravenously, and

0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.880
<v Speaker 1>you're a little bit wasted. But the point of twilight sleep,

0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.880
<v Speaker 1>and the thing that that um, that separates it from

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<v Speaker 1>other types of anesthesia, is that you are not so

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<v Speaker 1>wasted that you can't breathe on your own, that your

0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.800
<v Speaker 1>heart beat, your heart can't beat on its own, it

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be you'll be monitored, but really they've given

0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.320
<v Speaker 1>you such a low dose of this cocktail of chemicals

0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:10.720
<v Speaker 1>that you're you're still able to do things like smile

0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:14.159
<v Speaker 1>when the the dnnis put twenty years on you. Yeah to.

0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:19.320
<v Speaker 1>I also remember, Um, when I woke up, I remember

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<v Speaker 1>seeing a poster that said locomotive Lasagna on the wall,

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<v Speaker 1>and Um, of course it didn't say that unless they

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<v Speaker 1>went so far to like switch out posters to mess

0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.440
<v Speaker 1>with you. I could see that because this didn't clearly

0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:35.480
<v Speaker 1>had a sense of humor. It's putting bunny ears on people.

0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.320
<v Speaker 1>It's like Tim Watley from Seinfeld. Yeah, but I was

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<v Speaker 1>a little kid, you know. You know, I've never even

0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:43.199
<v Speaker 1>had a drop of alcohol, so I've never had my

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<v Speaker 1>head altered in anyway. So I was like, this is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you start going to dentist every Friday at all?

0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:53.399
<v Speaker 1>Fifty wisdom teeth removed? You're like, I know there's another

0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.159
<v Speaker 1>one in there. Uh. The only uh. The other good

0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.399
<v Speaker 1>thing about UM the Twilight Sleep is it's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to have the after effects is general like, um, probably

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<v Speaker 1>won't be nausea, have nausea or dizziness or vomiting. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit like they will give you a prescription

0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:11.520
<v Speaker 1>probably but um, you probably want need to use it, right,

0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:15.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, Yeah, anti nausea stuff. So that's uh, that's

0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.119
<v Speaker 1>twilight sleep a k A procedural sedation. I don't know

0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:21.360
<v Speaker 1>if we ever called it that. That's the clinical term

0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:25.200
<v Speaker 1>for it. Twilight sleep is the prettier name for it. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there's also a local anesthetic, which is the other

0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:34.000
<v Speaker 1>common type of anesthesia UM, where basically a is a

0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:37.520
<v Speaker 1>small area or a specific region of the body is

0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:41.280
<v Speaker 1>um basically numbed. Yeah, that's when you get the worst

0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.439
<v Speaker 1>thing that can happen to you in life, which is uh,

0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.520
<v Speaker 1>shots into the gum, a needle in the gum in

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<v Speaker 1>the dentist, which is why the dentist will frequently use

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<v Speaker 1>a topical um. A topical anesthesia. It helps a little, right, Uh,

0:18:56.680 --> 0:19:00.400
<v Speaker 1>so that they'll it will numb your gum when they

0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.000
<v Speaker 1>put the needle in. Yeah, they'll put like that gel

0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:04.600
<v Speaker 1>and that will them in a little bit. Or if

0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:08.120
<v Speaker 1>you're getting sometimes like an ivy in the arm, they'll

0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:11.200
<v Speaker 1>spray it with the cold stuff and that all helps,

0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.159
<v Speaker 1>for sure. It does. You'll still feel the pressure of

0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.800
<v Speaker 1>the needle going into your jaws, but you don't feel

0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:20.440
<v Speaker 1>the pain, right and the the reason why these things

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<v Speaker 1>work is, Uh, they a local anesthetic actually goes to

0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:29.520
<v Speaker 1>the area it's delivered to and blocks the nerve receptors.

0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:34.040
<v Speaker 1>It actually keeps your potassium and your sodium ions um

0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:38.440
<v Speaker 1>from firing, right, which means that it's not conducting electricity,

0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:41.320
<v Speaker 1>which means that your nerves aren't capable of passing along

0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:43.920
<v Speaker 1>the sensation of pain to your brain. They're just shut down.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what a local anesthetic does. And if you pay attention,

0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:51.600
<v Speaker 1>the local anesthetics all in an ain and for a

0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:54.440
<v Speaker 1>pretty good reason, like light decane or no vocaine. Even

0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:57.600
<v Speaker 1>they don't use novocaine that much anymore. Um. It's a

0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:01.280
<v Speaker 1>derivative of cocaine, and cocaine has a topical numbing effect,

0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:03.959
<v Speaker 1>and they used to use it to do that, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they said, why is everybody showing up to

0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:11.240
<v Speaker 1>the dentist all the time? Uh? And then they said, oh, yes,

0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:13.520
<v Speaker 1>it's because of the cocaine. So let's figure out a

0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:16.760
<v Speaker 1>a synthesized version of it. And they came up with

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<v Speaker 1>no vocane, lydocane all that, UM. And they stopped using

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<v Speaker 1>no vocane apparently because there were a lot the potential

0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:27.080
<v Speaker 1>for adverse reactions was greater UM, but people still do

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<v Speaker 1>have allergies to UM local anesthetics once amount, but it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out it's not the local anesthetic itself. It's not

0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:39.200
<v Speaker 1>the no vocane, it's not the lydocane. What it is

0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:42.880
<v Speaker 1>is UM. When you use a local anesthetic, it has

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<v Speaker 1>the effect of vasodilation, which means that it makes your

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<v Speaker 1>blood vessels relax, which lowers your blood pressure UM, which

0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:54.640
<v Speaker 1>is good, but it also is not so good. So

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<v Speaker 1>they add epinephrine, which is a vasso constrictor, and it

0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:02.639
<v Speaker 1>actually makes the local anesthetic work better. So if you

0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:05.720
<v Speaker 1>get a local anesthetic, you're getting the local anesthetic like

0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Clyda cane mixed with epinefrin and a preservative to keep

0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:12.520
<v Speaker 1>the epine and fresh. And it's the preservative that you're

0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:16.160
<v Speaker 1>having the adverse reaction to. Yeah, and again just a

0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:21.080
<v Speaker 1>well balanced cocktail to give you exactly what you need. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>Local is gonna wear off in a few hours, It

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<v Speaker 1>depends on how much you have UM. When you leave

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<v Speaker 1>the dentist, you know you'll still have your mouth numb

0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:31.000
<v Speaker 1>for a while, and they always want you not to

0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:34.200
<v Speaker 1>eat or talk too much because UM. You can accidentally

0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:37.600
<v Speaker 1>bite your tongue in your cheek and not know it, uh,

0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:40.359
<v Speaker 1>which actually happened to me recently, and I did bite

0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:43.680
<v Speaker 1>my cheek man a lot, Yeah, bled a little bit too. Yeah,

0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:46.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm fine. So it's such just um, it's such just

0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:51.479
<v Speaker 1>dental that you're gonna get like a local anesthetic. You

0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:54.480
<v Speaker 1>could also be given a local anesthetic for what's called

0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:59.960
<v Speaker 1>awake brain surgery. But yes, so in some some type

0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:02.960
<v Speaker 1>some brain surgery, you need to be conscious. You can't

0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:06.639
<v Speaker 1>be unconscious. They need to keep track of what the

0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:08.399
<v Speaker 1>brain is doing and they need it to be in

0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:11.720
<v Speaker 1>a conscious state. So they will give you some drugs

0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:15.240
<v Speaker 1>where you're not necessarily like you you might be sedated

0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:17.479
<v Speaker 1>in the like you might be on a little bit

0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:19.520
<v Speaker 1>of valium or something like that, but you're not. You're

0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:22.159
<v Speaker 1>still conscious, you're still able to respond to questions. But

0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:24.280
<v Speaker 1>they give you a local and aesthetic because they take

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<v Speaker 1>the top of your head off and work on your brain.

0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:30.200
<v Speaker 1>I think it's in Hell Raiser there's like awake brain

0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:32.760
<v Speaker 1>surgery is shown. Yeah, I think I've seen that in

0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:36.000
<v Speaker 1>another movie too. Um. Yeah, because they need to be

0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:38.959
<v Speaker 1>able to ask you things like in the nuts, can

0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:42.960
<v Speaker 1>you believe that your brain is exposed that crazy. Oh

0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:48.280
<v Speaker 1>it is weird. Um are we onto regional? I believe? Uh?

0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Local regional anesthesia is sort of like local, but it's

0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:55.480
<v Speaker 1>covers a wider area of your body. Um. So like

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<v Speaker 1>if you need your whole leg numbed for an operation,

0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:01.600
<v Speaker 1>um and just like a small portion of your leg,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be regional. Uh. It's also called a nerve

0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:08.760
<v Speaker 1>block basically because they're just taking a single nerve or

0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:11.600
<v Speaker 1>bundle of nerves and blocking that. Right, they're going after

0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:13.439
<v Speaker 1>like one of the big dad he's rather than a

0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:17.119
<v Speaker 1>little one. But again localized. Um. Like if you know

0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:21.200
<v Speaker 1>women who have given birth, sometimes we'll get an epidural uh,

0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:25.240
<v Speaker 1>and that's what that is. It is injected via catheter

0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:29.480
<v Speaker 1>into the epidural space in the lower back. But that

0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:34.480
<v Speaker 1>doesn't necessarily mean uh, directly into the spine, which also

0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:38.000
<v Speaker 1>can happen with a spinal block, right into that cerebro

0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:41.240
<v Speaker 1>spinal fluid, which is about as direct as you can get.

0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:43.440
<v Speaker 1>And if you get a c section or maybe hurning

0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:46.520
<v Speaker 1>a surgery, and that's when they want you awake again,

0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:51.440
<v Speaker 1>um during the surgery, like with epidurals. Chuck I was wondering,

0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:54.560
<v Speaker 1>So an epidural, it's in the space outside of the

0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:58.720
<v Speaker 1>spinal column um, but it's used to numb you're from

0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:00.720
<v Speaker 1>the waist down, like when you're give birth or something

0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:03.480
<v Speaker 1>like that. Right, And it's actually a catheter is introduced

0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:07.560
<v Speaker 1>in a continuous I V. Cocktails given to your into

0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:10.760
<v Speaker 1>your almost your spine, but not into the spine. No,

0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:15.320
<v Speaker 1>that would be a spinal right. I wondered, how do

0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:18.440
<v Speaker 1>they make it so it's it's your waist down that's

0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:21.240
<v Speaker 1>getting numb. Why isn't your waist up? Oh? Like, how

0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:24.480
<v Speaker 1>does how do they know the path is going downward? Yes?

0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:26.760
<v Speaker 1>So I looked it up and it turns out it

0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:31.960
<v Speaker 1>doesn't always. Sometimes it can reverse and numb you from

0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:34.520
<v Speaker 1>the waist up, in which case you're in like, that's

0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:38.280
<v Speaker 1>a problem because your breathing can stop. Um, your heart

0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:40.439
<v Speaker 1>can stop. There's a bunch of stuff that can stop.

0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:45.359
<v Speaker 1>But apparently it's extraordinarily rare, but it can happen. Where

0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:49.480
<v Speaker 1>like the the intended area is reversed when they give

0:24:49.480 --> 0:24:51.760
<v Speaker 1>you an epidural, there can also be complications from the

0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:57.639
<v Speaker 1>epidural um that aren't great. Um, hopefully that doesn't happen

0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:00.359
<v Speaker 1>giving birth right, well, the same same with this final

0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:02.960
<v Speaker 1>as well. Like there there there are complications, like you

0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:08.159
<v Speaker 1>can get a meningel infection or an abscess something like that.

0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:09.439
<v Speaker 1>I happen to be a friend of ours. That's why

0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:10.840
<v Speaker 1>I got dodgy. I didn't want to say it on

0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:20.040
<v Speaker 1>the air. I'll tell you after, just write it down, okay. Um, yeah,

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:22.800
<v Speaker 1>I talked about the spinal block. Um, there's a little

0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:26.080
<v Speaker 1>bit more risk, like we said, then local obviously like

0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:30.960
<v Speaker 1>seizures and heart attacks. Um. And sometimes it doesn't give

0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:34.080
<v Speaker 1>enough pain relief and you have to move on to general.

0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:37.240
<v Speaker 1>They're like, Doc, this ain't working right. Um, can you

0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 1>just knock me out? Because some patients want to be

0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:44.000
<v Speaker 1>awake and some patients don't. And sometimes they will defer

0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 1>to you on that. Who will defer to who? The doctor?

0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:50.239
<v Speaker 1>And like you want to be awake for this or not,

0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:54.760
<v Speaker 1>especially during childbirth, to like give me the drugs, give

0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:58.399
<v Speaker 1>me the drugs or the common refrain, yeah, or I

0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:01.959
<v Speaker 1>want to be awake at least, um, but give me

0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 1>the epidural. Uh. Like I'll go in thinking natural childbirth

0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:09.560
<v Speaker 1>is the way to go, and then I changed my mind,

0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:13.600
<v Speaker 1>which is, hey, that's you're right, Yeah, sure, given birth,

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:15.800
<v Speaker 1>you should do it. However you want to totes at

0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:20.760
<v Speaker 1>home in a tub, uh water boat with a goat.

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:26.359
<v Speaker 1>Very funny. Uh So, Chuck, you had a pretty great

0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:31.399
<v Speaker 1>segue that we just trod all over into general anesthesia again.

0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 1>The big Daddy is what I think most people call it.

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:37.399
<v Speaker 1>That's when you're put under, and that is when you

0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:42.560
<v Speaker 1>are out. You don't remember anything, you're asleep, you're you're unconscious,

0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:45.080
<v Speaker 1>and that's the one where they don't completely understand how

0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:47.119
<v Speaker 1>it works, which is a little scary. It is a

0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:49.600
<v Speaker 1>little scary UM and there have been people who have

0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:52.760
<v Speaker 1>tried to figure out how to quantify it UM using

0:26:53.000 --> 0:27:00.159
<v Speaker 1>magical boxes and trans magnetic transcranial magnetic stimulation stimulation, and

0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:04.879
<v Speaker 1>I flubbed that one the thinking yeah, um, but ultimately

0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:07.640
<v Speaker 1>we just we don't know. So there's there's a there's

0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:10.639
<v Speaker 1>a general idea, basically a working theory, and that is

0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:14.280
<v Speaker 1>that UM anesthesia the drugs that we use, and it's

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:17.640
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of different ones working in conjunction, but they

0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:22.359
<v Speaker 1>depressed the activity of the spinal cord, so you're paralyzed UM.

0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:27.400
<v Speaker 1>The brain stem rearticular activating system which is basically they

0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:32.720
<v Speaker 1>think responsible for sleepiness and wakefulness that's stimulated or depressed,

0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:35.879
<v Speaker 1>depending on your way of looking at it. And then, um,

0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 1>your cerebral cortex is affected as well, so you're not thinking,

0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 1>you're not forming memories, you're not um making associations with

0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:46.840
<v Speaker 1>any of this, and all of that in conjunction with

0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:52.280
<v Speaker 1>one another, comes to anesthesia. General anesthesia, which is utter

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:55.560
<v Speaker 1>and complete unconsciousness. That's right, And it can last a

0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:58.840
<v Speaker 1>few hours or up to six hours. Um, if you're

0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:02.359
<v Speaker 1>having like serious comp gated surgery. But there is a limit.

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:06.120
<v Speaker 1>They can't just be like this is a twelve hour surgery. Um. Yeah,

0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:08.800
<v Speaker 1>I thought there are worse surgeries like that where they're

0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:11.880
<v Speaker 1>like the surgery lasted seventy two hours, but the guy

0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:17.159
<v Speaker 1>was successfully transplanted. Yeah, that is true. How do they

0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:20.760
<v Speaker 1>do that? Because really dangerous to get someone under general

0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:25.080
<v Speaker 1>anesthesia for that long. Yeah, that's a good point. I

0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 1>didn't I meant to look into that. Someone will let

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:30.359
<v Speaker 1>us know. Sure, we'll follow up on that for sure. Uh,

0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:33.760
<v Speaker 1>if you are going to be put under general anesthes

0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:37.720
<v Speaker 1>you don't just walk in and start huffing the gash.

0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 1>There there's a lot of work that goes into that. Um,

0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 1>you have to be invited. You have to be invited

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:45.320
<v Speaker 1>by her. You have to get a a party invite

0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 1>from your anesthesiologist. Um, you will meet with them and

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 1>he or she will basically ask you a bunch of

0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 1>questions about your lifestyle and your medical history. Are you

0:28:56.720 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 1>a natural redhead? Yeah? Because we covered that in the

0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 1>Redhead episode. You might need a little more. Are you

0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:04.800
<v Speaker 1>a little kid are you? Yeah? I can tell by

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:08.000
<v Speaker 1>looking Yeah, because little kids livers process these drugs a

0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:12.720
<v Speaker 1>lot faster, so they need uh higher dose. Basically, Um,

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 1>are you a huge alcoholic? Not? Well, depends on what

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:20.959
<v Speaker 1>you say, sir. Are you heroin addict? Not anymore? So,

0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 1>like the depending on the answers to these questions, they're

0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:26.440
<v Speaker 1>gonna need to adjust your dose depending do you have

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 1>low blood pressure? High blood pressure? Yeah? And this is

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:31.520
<v Speaker 1>where you want to be super honest about your drinking

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:33.600
<v Speaker 1>and drugs. Yeah. If you're a heroin addict, you need

0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:35.680
<v Speaker 1>to fast up. You can be like, hey man, can

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:37.800
<v Speaker 1>you be cool and keep a secret? You don't like

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:40.360
<v Speaker 1>lie like you do to your shrink, Right, you know

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 1>you really want to be honest because you want this

0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:46.680
<v Speaker 1>to work well and be safe. Um. After they have

0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:50.880
<v Speaker 1>all that, they're gonna basically, um, put together your your

0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 1>program on what you're gonna need, and then they're going

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 1>to tell you not to eat because if you eat

0:29:56.360 --> 0:30:01.560
<v Speaker 1>before you go under anesthesia, you can aspirate and basically

0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 1>breathe in what's in your stomach. So this is not

0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:09.200
<v Speaker 1>everybody believes this any longer, supposedly about eating before surgery.

0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 1>There's what I understand is that when there are so

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:20.080
<v Speaker 1>few cases of aspiration under anesthesia, especially twilight sedation, because

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 1>that well, no, oh, yeah, that's a pretty good that's

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 1>a good point. I hadn't thought of, um, but apparently, well, yeah,

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:32.640
<v Speaker 1>you just answered that question. You say, Well, from what

0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:34.719
<v Speaker 1>I understood, there was a study that looked at all

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 1>these different um the cases of aspiration and found it's

0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 1>very rare. And they concluded that the danger, the potential

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:49.960
<v Speaker 1>danger of aspirating under sedation is low enough that it's

0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:52.880
<v Speaker 1>it's outweighed by the benefits of eating. Because if you

0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 1>don't eat and you undergo sedation on an empty stomach,

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 1>which is what they want you to do, it's a

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 1>lot harder on your system. You're much or likely to

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:04.440
<v Speaker 1>be nauseated, to vomit afterward, be dizzy, whereas if you

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:07.720
<v Speaker 1>eat something, you can your body can process these drugs

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:10.000
<v Speaker 1>a little better. So are they advising people to eat now.

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I think that they're starting to get to that point,

0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 1>but I don't believe it's like current widespread practice. Yeah,

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I would. I don't know, Maybe I'm superstitious.

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:22.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if i'd be chowing on a burrito

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 1>before I go in for my heart surgery. Well, just

0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 1>for the surgeon's benefit, I think you might want to

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 1>avoid burritos before going under for being knocked on content. Yeah,

0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:35.880
<v Speaker 1>you're right. Um, you will be wearing a breathing mask

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 1>when you're under general anesthesia or a breathing too, because

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:43.480
<v Speaker 1>uh you basically your your muscles are so relaxed that

0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 1>your air was airways won't stay open. So that's a

0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:50.840
<v Speaker 1>little creepy in itself. Um. And they're going to monitoring

0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 1>lots and lots of things while you're under there in

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:56.840
<v Speaker 1>the room, and probably have an assistant in the room

0:31:56.880 --> 0:32:00.760
<v Speaker 1>with them to monitor all this stuff like blood pressure,

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 1>heart rate, O two levels, um CEO two levels, temperature,

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 1>brain activity, and there's even a little alarm if you're

0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:11.800
<v Speaker 1>O two level drops, which is great. I think they

0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 1>should have an alarmed for everything. Yeah, you know, the

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:16.600
<v Speaker 1>more alarm is better in that case. And I guess

0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:19.760
<v Speaker 1>we should talk about the four stages um of general

0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 1>anesthetic YEP. Stage one is the induction stage, or the

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 1>one you were talking about those fifteen seconds where you're

0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 1>like pure bliss, right uh, and then stay that quickly

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 1>moves to stage two, which is the twitchy stage where

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 1>you're just kind of like well twitching, it's your body

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.000
<v Speaker 1>going like what the heck is going on? What is this?

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:42.680
<v Speaker 1>And then you move quickly to stage three, which is

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:46.200
<v Speaker 1>the stage that they're after, where you're not twitching anymore,

0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 1>you're not conscious any longer, and you are under a

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 1>state of general anesthesia. You're anesticized, right uh. And this

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 1>is where you want to be. But there is, like

0:32:57.200 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 1>you said, a fourth stage. You don't want to go there. No,

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 1>that's the over dose stage. And once you're in this stage,

0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:05.560
<v Speaker 1>it is now a medical emergency and you have to

0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:08.960
<v Speaker 1>be managed brought out of before you suffer brain damage

0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 1>or death or all sorts of other problems. Yeah, and

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 1>I remember when I read this the first time, I thought,

0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:17.640
<v Speaker 1>why did they even have this fourth stage? I don't

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:21.239
<v Speaker 1>think they think it's just there. Yeah, but it's you know,

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.480
<v Speaker 1>anesthesia is a thing. It doesn't mean like if you

0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 1>don't have a great anesthesiologist, there can be that fourth stage.

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:32.360
<v Speaker 1>I think even with a good anesthesiologists having a bad day,

0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:35.600
<v Speaker 1>things can happen. You know, Um, I hit a squirrel

0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:39.720
<v Speaker 1>and now this guy is dead. When you do go under,

0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:43.880
<v Speaker 1>you are um, like I said, gonna get the gas

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:47.920
<v Speaker 1>or an ivy or both. Um. There are lots of

0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:53.560
<v Speaker 1>different drugs that they will combine again, katamine, valium, sodium pentethal. Well,

0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 1>the go to is they're going to knock you out

0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 1>first with the I V usually and almost across the

0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:03.160
<v Speaker 1>board it's propafile Michael Jackson's milk, that's right, Uh, And

0:34:03.480 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 1>that's what they do to initially knock you out. And

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 1>then they're gonna put ad that. He actually needed that

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:10.920
<v Speaker 1>to sleep and it didn't even work. It's a crazy thing,

0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:14.000
<v Speaker 1>like he was so wound up that even probe fall

0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:21.000
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't work. Unbelievable. Um. You might also get a muscle

0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:24.520
<v Speaker 1>relaxer to make sure that paralysis really takes hold. Yeah,

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:27.719
<v Speaker 1>and if this is all kind of familiar, go back

0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:33.040
<v Speaker 1>and listen to our lethal injection episode, because that is

0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:39.000
<v Speaker 1>stage four and technically stage five and general anesthesia is

0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:42.240
<v Speaker 1>lethal injection. Yeah, that's again, that's why this is so nuts.

0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:45.600
<v Speaker 1>Is there there almost killing you? Yeah, well maybe that's

0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:49.239
<v Speaker 1>overstating it, but they're they're not bringing you to the

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:52.080
<v Speaker 1>brink of death, but they went to close enough to

0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:57.000
<v Speaker 1>where you're out. You know. Um, after surgery, Um, you

0:34:57.040 --> 0:34:58.919
<v Speaker 1>don't just get up and dance out of the room.

0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna go to the pack you the post anesthes

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:05.440
<v Speaker 1>anesthesia care unit, and then you're gonna keep getting monitored.

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:10.239
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna be dehydrated and cold because you're heading toward death,

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:12.840
<v Speaker 1>so they're gonna warm you up some warm I v s.

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:16.600
<v Speaker 1>There are also some drugs that they've started to use. Now, Um,

0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 1>I had some oral surgery and you mean picked me up,

0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:21.000
<v Speaker 1>and I can't remember any of the stories or whatever,

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 1>but I remember going from being out to just being

0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:27.520
<v Speaker 1>totally with it. And apparently I've been given a drug

0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 1>that's like a revers sedation drug to wake you up. Yeah,

0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 1>there's one called flu mazanell, another called nax alone, and

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:38.960
<v Speaker 1>it's just basically they also used them for overdoses of

0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:41.879
<v Speaker 1>certain kinds in the e R. But they can use

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:46.760
<v Speaker 1>them post sedation to get you going again pretty quickly.

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 1>They stick it directly into your heart. Yeah, just sit

0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:54.759
<v Speaker 1>up and inhale deeply. It's not like I had that

0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:59.799
<v Speaker 1>when I had mine. Yeah, I'm cutting edge. Yeah. Uh,

0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 1>I still couldn't eat ahead of time. Oh really, yeah,

0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:07.120
<v Speaker 1>but you did anyway, You're like, I read that it

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:11.799
<v Speaker 1>was fine, I could have a breed. Um. You might

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 1>actually get a little morphine too for the pain after

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:18.600
<v Speaker 1>your room. Yeah. Um, but you might also have those

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:22.600
<v Speaker 1>side effects like we talked about with the vomiting and nausea. Um,

0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:25.200
<v Speaker 1>and maybe we're pretty out of it, you know, Yeah,

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:26.640
<v Speaker 1>you might fall over if you get up to use

0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:30.160
<v Speaker 1>the bathroom. There is a help. There's a probably the

0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:35.480
<v Speaker 1>worst potential side effect of anesthesia possible. It's something called

0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 1>anesthesia awareness. And we'll would say death, but we'll talk

0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:57.399
<v Speaker 1>about both of those, right, we'll get into both after this, So, Chuck,

0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:00.280
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk about anesthesia awareness, but we should probably

0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 1>talk about anesthesiologists first, right, Yeah, there's um many levels

0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:14.080
<v Speaker 1>of anesthesiology g jobs. You can be an anesthesiologist full blown,

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:17.400
<v Speaker 1>which means you've gone to PREMD undergrad, you've gone to

0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:21.280
<v Speaker 1>med school, you have done your to year residency. Sometimes

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:26.200
<v Speaker 1>three in your income goes to malpractice insurance doesn't really

0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:30.840
<v Speaker 1>I would guess not that much, but a lot um

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:33.400
<v Speaker 1>and you can. I didn't see where you had to

0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 1>be certified, but you were eligible to take the A

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 1>B A exam I think, and that I think if

0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:43.600
<v Speaker 1>you want to be a physician an stysiologist, you actually

0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:46.840
<v Speaker 1>have to be certified. All you have to do is

0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:50.759
<v Speaker 1>be able to say anthologists correct, Actually that's not true.

0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:56.400
<v Speaker 1>It's physician. Anesthesiologists are certified and most of these physicians

0:37:56.400 --> 0:37:59.960
<v Speaker 1>an aestusiologists um do a one year of specialty training

0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:04.600
<v Speaker 1>as well. Um with either there are several different subspecialties

0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:09.280
<v Speaker 1>like hospice and palliative medicine, critical care medicine, and pain medicine.

0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 1>So basically just it's almost like postgraduate graduate school. Or

0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 1>you can be an assistant, which means you have your

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:21.120
<v Speaker 1>four year undergrad in pre med and then you've gone

0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:24.880
<v Speaker 1>through an accredited program and then take an exam. Or

0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:33.839
<v Speaker 1>you can be a nurse anesthesia anesthesias anesthetist. Anesthetist, Man,

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:36.640
<v Speaker 1>that sounds like such a dope. It's this is some

0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:39.320
<v Speaker 1>tough words, man. I know. It's a lot of stuff

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:40.880
<v Speaker 1>going on in there, a lot of teas and ages.

0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:44.360
<v Speaker 1>And that means you're a registered nurse who has completed

0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:48.680
<v Speaker 1>UM a training program which last two to three years.

0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:51.799
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna have to have your b s. Degree and

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:55.600
<v Speaker 1>at the end of one year of practice experience UM

0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:57.799
<v Speaker 1>is when you go through that training program and take

0:38:57.800 --> 0:39:01.000
<v Speaker 1>an exam, so again many years. It's like serious, serious stuff.

0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:05.400
<v Speaker 1>It's not like, oh, I want to you know, I

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:06.759
<v Speaker 1>want to be a doctor, but I don't want to

0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:09.280
<v Speaker 1>go through all the schooling, so I'll just be an anesthesiologist.

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:11.760
<v Speaker 1>I want to have access to the finest drugs available

0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:15.080
<v Speaker 1>on the planet Earth. Right now, it's still serious, like

0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:17.560
<v Speaker 1>you're a doctor, you know, well, you're not like you're

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 1>any lesser of a You're a nurse. What do you

0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:23.880
<v Speaker 1>mean And an estatistic said, was a nurse? I No,

0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm just talking about all of those jobs require lots

0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:28.919
<v Speaker 1>and lots of schooling. It's not like the easy way out,

0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:32.920
<v Speaker 1>I certainly hope. No, No, it's very serious. Job. Okay,

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:36.920
<v Speaker 1>so it is a very serious job. Again, we said

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 1>you are being brought to the brink of death or

0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:43.560
<v Speaker 1>stupor unconsciousness or whatever you want to call it, and

0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:47.040
<v Speaker 1>then brought back without any side effects as few side

0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:51.080
<v Speaker 1>effects as possible. That's right, and certainly no lasting side effects.

0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 1>But there is something. There's a pernicious UH syndrome that

0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:58.799
<v Speaker 1>doctors have been aware of, the anesthesiologists have been aware

0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:01.320
<v Speaker 1>of at least since the six these, which is called

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:07.200
<v Speaker 1>anesthesia awareness. And basically, anesthesia awareness is where you are

0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:11.480
<v Speaker 1>given anesthesia, which includes a paralytic which means you can't

0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:16.040
<v Speaker 1>move your body at all UH, and your eyes have

0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:20.280
<v Speaker 1>been taped shut so you can't see, but you are conscious.

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:25.040
<v Speaker 1>You are aware during surgery, so you're the pain killers

0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:27.799
<v Speaker 1>would have probably worked too, but something went wrong and

0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:32.399
<v Speaker 1>you're not unconscious, so you're able to form memories. You're

0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:34.560
<v Speaker 1>able to hear the doctors talking about you like you're

0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:37.520
<v Speaker 1>a piece of meat. You're able to hear the cutting,

0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:41.000
<v Speaker 1>the squishing, the tearing of your organs being moved around.

0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:45.879
<v Speaker 1>You can smell the singed hair and claterized flesh. You're

0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:49.640
<v Speaker 1>able to feel genuine fear in some cases if the

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:54.160
<v Speaker 1>pain reliever hasn't worked, you're able to experience this excruciating

0:40:54.200 --> 0:40:58.160
<v Speaker 1>pain and you're not able as badly as you want

0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:01.759
<v Speaker 1>to to alert and anybody on the surgical teams like

0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:04.960
<v Speaker 1>you're locked in that you're, yes, that your experienced. It's yes,

0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 1>you're It's like performing surgery on a locked in person. Yeah,

0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:11.239
<v Speaker 1>without any kind of pain killer or anything like that. Yeah.

0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:16.000
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know your eyes were taped shut during surgery either, because, Um,

0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:19.480
<v Speaker 1>you never see that on TV shows, do you. I've

0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:24.000
<v Speaker 1>never noticed that. Uh, yeah I don't. I've seen it before,

0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 1>but I'm probably on like one of those like remember

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:29.960
<v Speaker 1>they used to have real surgeries on Any Discovery in

0:41:30.000 --> 0:41:32.520
<v Speaker 1>the early days. Yeah, back when they were doing stuff

0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:36.319
<v Speaker 1>like that. I looked into that though, and um, that's

0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:38.439
<v Speaker 1>for a couple of reasons. Obviously, to keep the eyes

0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:41.840
<v Speaker 1>from drying out, because apparently eyelids do not close in

0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:46.640
<v Speaker 1>fifty of patients when under general anesthesia. They'll just say

0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:50.120
<v Speaker 1>it's so as to keep the eyes from drying. And

0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:53.320
<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize this is to prevent corneal abration. Apparently

0:41:53.360 --> 0:41:57.240
<v Speaker 1>that had been or can be a real problem. Um,

0:41:57.320 --> 0:41:59.319
<v Speaker 1>even if your surgery is not on your eyes. There's

0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:03.319
<v Speaker 1>just a lot of activity around your face like a

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:06.640
<v Speaker 1>stethoscope and scratch your eye or yeah, a lot of

0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:09.359
<v Speaker 1>stuff can happen. So we'll take your eyes shut, so

0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:12.160
<v Speaker 1>they tape it shut so you can't see. But again

0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:14.520
<v Speaker 1>you can still here. You can still feel and even

0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:17.640
<v Speaker 1>if you're not feeling pain, you can still feel the pressure. Remember,

0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:20.479
<v Speaker 1>even with like a local and aesthetic, you can't feel

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:21.880
<v Speaker 1>the pain, but you can feel the pressure of the

0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:24.480
<v Speaker 1>needle going in your jaw. This is the same thing

0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:28.200
<v Speaker 1>with like stomach surgery or your heart being taken from

0:42:28.239 --> 0:42:31.440
<v Speaker 1>your chest or what have you. Um So a lot

0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:35.440
<v Speaker 1>of people, apparently, studies have found since the sixties that

0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:41.240
<v Speaker 1>about two out of every thousand patients or centuries will

0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:44.879
<v Speaker 1>experience anesthesia awareness. Yeah, they said that's super rare. That's

0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:47.359
<v Speaker 1>not rare enough for now. I was hoping to see

0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:51.080
<v Speaker 1>like one in a hundred thousand or a hundred million. Yeah, yeah, No,

0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:54.840
<v Speaker 1>it's like two out of every thousand, and supposedly seventy

0:42:55.800 --> 0:43:00.440
<v Speaker 1>of people who experience anesthesia awareness suffered from clinical petz TSD,

0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:04.240
<v Speaker 1>which is five times more than soldiers returning from Iraq

0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:07.279
<v Speaker 1>and Afghanistan. And we're getting this stuff from an Atlantic

0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:10.920
<v Speaker 1>article called Awakening by Joshua Lang. Just go read it.

0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:14.399
<v Speaker 1>It's um it's a really great article. Yeah, they gave

0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:16.279
<v Speaker 1>this one case. There's a bunch of cases in there,

0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:19.480
<v Speaker 1>but this one. Um. Sherman Sizemore Jr. Was a Baptist

0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:23.160
<v Speaker 1>minister and coal miner, former coal miner. He's seventy three,

0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:29.759
<v Speaker 1>and he had exploratory uh laparotomy that right in two

0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:34.279
<v Speaker 1>thousand six. And any kind of exploratory surgery is you know,

0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:39.239
<v Speaker 1>it's not fun because they're basically looking around for stuff, well,

0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:42.400
<v Speaker 1>moving things around. Yeah, they cut away like the flesh

0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:44.359
<v Speaker 1>and his belly fat and all that stuff. And we're

0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:47.720
<v Speaker 1>looking um at the the film that holds your guts

0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:51.480
<v Speaker 1>in place. Yeah, they're poking around in there and um.

0:43:51.560 --> 0:43:55.480
<v Speaker 1>He of course had interoperative recall, which is another term

0:43:55.520 --> 0:44:01.120
<v Speaker 1>for anesthesia awareness, that's right, and he um Basically his

0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:04.680
<v Speaker 1>family couldn't understand what was going on with them. You

0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:06.920
<v Speaker 1>know a lot of times you'll have these bad dreams,

0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:11.120
<v Speaker 1>these nightmares about blood and people coming at you and

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:15.560
<v Speaker 1>trapping you, and it's it's severe PTSD. And he eventually

0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:18.799
<v Speaker 1>uh killed himself even though he had no history of

0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:21.839
<v Speaker 1>psychiatric illness. Within two weeks of his surgery, yeah, shot

0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:25.040
<v Speaker 1>himself dead. And his family had settled with a lawsuit

0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:28.799
<v Speaker 1>because they claim that no one even said that this

0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:32.200
<v Speaker 1>could happen or you should see counseling or anything like that.

0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:36.839
<v Speaker 1>So sad. Oh, yeah, it's very sad. Supposedly, people who

0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:41.160
<v Speaker 1>suffer from PTSD, from anesthesia awareness um almost across the board,

0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:43.600
<v Speaker 1>can't lay down and sleep. They have to sleep in

0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:47.400
<v Speaker 1>chairs because laying down with uh memories of you know,

0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:53.520
<v Speaker 1>being on the O R table. It's uh yeah. And again, anesthesiologists, philosophers,

0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:56.000
<v Speaker 1>any kind of scientists, they don't know how this is

0:44:56.040 --> 0:44:59.600
<v Speaker 1>happening because we don't understand consciousness, so we don't understand

0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:02.600
<v Speaker 1>the mechan aism that produces unconsciousness. And then even further,

0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:06.560
<v Speaker 1>we don't understand when that mechanism that's supposed to produce

0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:11.839
<v Speaker 1>unconsciousness fails to produce unconsciousness and someone remains conscious and

0:45:11.920 --> 0:45:15.320
<v Speaker 1>experiences anesthesia awareness. Yeah, I would think there's got to

0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:22.200
<v Speaker 1>be some fail safe for this. Untake the eyes midway

0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:27.160
<v Speaker 1>and say like blink, if you can feel me, feel this,

0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:30.160
<v Speaker 1>but you're you've been paralyzed. You can't move, you can't

0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:34.680
<v Speaker 1>even blink. It seems like they should. It's got I mean,

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:36.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It seems like there's gotta be something

0:45:36.160 --> 0:45:37.759
<v Speaker 1>that could do, Like there's a machine that has to

0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:40.960
<v Speaker 1>breathe for you because your lungs can't even move well.

0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:42.440
<v Speaker 1>And that's why they take your eyes shut to begin with.

0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:46.160
<v Speaker 1>I guess because you can't blink. That's creepy that people

0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:50.279
<v Speaker 1>like their eyes remain open. Yeah, I wonder it's like

0:45:50.320 --> 0:45:52.879
<v Speaker 1>the mom from Throw Mama from the Train, Like even

0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:55.000
<v Speaker 1>if you can't blink, I wonder if there's any kind

0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:57.880
<v Speaker 1>of sign like that you could give. Well. So in

0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:01.600
<v Speaker 1>this awakening Um article they talk about there was a

0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:04.719
<v Speaker 1>guy who like came up with this box that was

0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:08.360
<v Speaker 1>meant to it gave like a number between zero and

0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:13.319
<v Speaker 1>a hundred that supposedly reflected a level of consciousness to

0:46:13.440 --> 0:46:16.919
<v Speaker 1>be used in the operating room for anesthesia, so that

0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:21.920
<v Speaker 1>that anesthesiologist could be confident that somebody wasn't experiencing anesthesia awareness.

0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:24.319
<v Speaker 1>And they found that it doesn't really work. So there

0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:27.600
<v Speaker 1>are there are people who have undertaken this quest to

0:46:28.320 --> 0:46:33.440
<v Speaker 1>two basically show somehow there's some outward sign of whether

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:36.879
<v Speaker 1>someone's conscious or not. But we just haven't licked it yet. Yeah.

0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:38.799
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe there's not some sort of machine that

0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:41.200
<v Speaker 1>could pick up on that. But they've tried, or maybe

0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:44.560
<v Speaker 1>they're just like, uh, it's two in every thousand. Yeah.

0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:47.480
<v Speaker 1>I can live with those numbers and that that's no,

0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:51.480
<v Speaker 1>that's not that's way too common, man. That scares me

0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:53.719
<v Speaker 1>to death. Yeah, well you said that's the worst thing

0:46:53.760 --> 0:46:58.040
<v Speaker 1>that can happen. I vote for death is the worst thing. UM.

0:46:58.040 --> 0:47:02.680
<v Speaker 1>In the nineteen forties, uh, for every one million patients

0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:05.960
<v Speaker 1>who had full anesthesia, six hundred and forty of them died.

0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:09.560
<v Speaker 1>By the eighties, that was down to four for every million,

0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:12.920
<v Speaker 1>which to me, that's good and rare, four out of

0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:16.040
<v Speaker 1>every million. Yeah, but that number is actually scarily on

0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:21.000
<v Speaker 1>the rise since the nineteen eighties. UM a German publication

0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:26.760
<v Speaker 1>called Deutscheses uh arts ablat it's the German Medical Association's

0:47:27.000 --> 0:47:31.759
<v Speaker 1>UM science journal, and they said that worldwide death rate

0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:34.480
<v Speaker 1>is on the rise to about seven now per million,

0:47:35.160 --> 0:47:38.040
<v Speaker 1>and the number of deaths within one year after general

0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:41.560
<v Speaker 1>anesthesia is one in twenty or if you're over sixty

0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:46.520
<v Speaker 1>one and ten what and that's within the year after. Yeah,

0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:49.360
<v Speaker 1>but even still that's not good. No, and that that

0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:52.160
<v Speaker 1>doesn't necessarily mean that's due to the anesthesia, because they

0:47:52.200 --> 0:47:55.080
<v Speaker 1>make the point that it's not like the quality of

0:47:55.200 --> 0:47:59.480
<v Speaker 1>anesthesiological care is different. It's that older people are having

0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:04.800
<v Speaker 1>surgery these that's that's so good point. Yeah, that's probably

0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:08.319
<v Speaker 1>what it's due to. But yeah, I mean they said,

0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:10.399
<v Speaker 1>for a patient to actually die on the operating table

0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:15.759
<v Speaker 1>is super super rare from anesthesiology. Um, it's apparently much

0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:21.000
<v Speaker 1>more common to experience anesthesia awareness two and every thousand.

0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Why don't they say one in five? Yeah, really trying

0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:32.880
<v Speaker 1>to you know, when every thousand nah, and that's not

0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:36.840
<v Speaker 1>one in five patients surgeries. There's a lot more surgeries

0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:38.879
<v Speaker 1>than patients. Yeah. And you know when you go, when

0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:43.399
<v Speaker 1>you take your pets in, they undergo general anesthesi too

0:48:43.400 --> 0:48:46.440
<v Speaker 1>for surgery. They always say like your pet could die,

0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:50.760
<v Speaker 1>like it's rare and it happens this often. But um,

0:48:50.800 --> 0:48:52.799
<v Speaker 1>it can happen. And you know, you have to sign

0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:55.960
<v Speaker 1>the waivers and that's always especially if of an older animal.

0:48:56.400 --> 0:48:58.839
<v Speaker 1>It's a little bit of a quandary you're in, you know,

0:48:59.560 --> 0:49:01.200
<v Speaker 1>whether or not to get the surgery. Is it worth

0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:05.640
<v Speaker 1>the risk? All that stuff? That's all I got. I

0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:10.080
<v Speaker 1>got nothing else to Uh, it's anesthesia. If you are

0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:12.920
<v Speaker 1>feeling confident about spelling that word correctly, go ahead and

0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:15.120
<v Speaker 1>type it into the search bar at how stuff works

0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:17.879
<v Speaker 1>dot com. And I said search for everybody, which means

0:49:17.920 --> 0:49:22.120
<v Speaker 1>it's time for a listener mail. Uh, this one, I'm

0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:25.319
<v Speaker 1>gonna call ESP. We heard from a lot of people

0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:27.560
<v Speaker 1>on this one so far. Yeah, but it wasn't as

0:49:27.640 --> 0:49:30.799
<v Speaker 1>bad as I thought. No. Um, hey, guys, just listen

0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:33.520
<v Speaker 1>to ESP. It was great as usual. Your podcast help

0:49:33.560 --> 0:49:35.040
<v Speaker 1>me get through my work day and make me laugh

0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:38.160
<v Speaker 1>because I learned new and random things. With regards to

0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:40.239
<v Speaker 1>ESP or whatever people want to call it. I don't

0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:42.400
<v Speaker 1>know if I believe in it exactly, but I do

0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:44.840
<v Speaker 1>strongly believe that some individuals are much more intuitive or

0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:47.920
<v Speaker 1>connected than others. Uh. And here's an example. When I

0:49:47.960 --> 0:49:50.760
<v Speaker 1>was eleven, my mother died. We were living in Vancouver

0:49:50.800 --> 0:49:52.480
<v Speaker 1>at the time, and she had died at home. We

0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:54.640
<v Speaker 1>had not yet called any of the family to notify

0:49:54.680 --> 0:49:57.960
<v Speaker 1>them until a few hours later. But about fifteen minutes

0:49:58.040 --> 0:50:00.680
<v Speaker 1>after she passed away, my paternal grandmother, who was in

0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Hong Kong called and said, is Lana okay. I suddenly

0:50:04.560 --> 0:50:06.200
<v Speaker 1>got a very strong and bad feeling about her, and

0:50:06.239 --> 0:50:08.439
<v Speaker 1>I thought I should call uh. And again we hadn't

0:50:08.480 --> 0:50:10.520
<v Speaker 1>told anyone yet and it had only been fifteen minutes.

0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:13.799
<v Speaker 1>My grandmother has always been very intuitive. It always felt

0:50:13.800 --> 0:50:16.120
<v Speaker 1>like no matter where our family was, she always somehow

0:50:16.320 --> 0:50:20.080
<v Speaker 1>had her eye on us in a comforting way, not creepy. Right.

0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:25.120
<v Speaker 1>She points out she was devout in practicing Buddhist her

0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:27.440
<v Speaker 1>whole life, and it is partly her devotion to Buddhism

0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:30.320
<v Speaker 1>somehow makes me believe that she was a soul deeply

0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:34.239
<v Speaker 1>connected to the rest of the world. Uh yeah, kind

0:50:34.239 --> 0:50:37.120
<v Speaker 1>of cool. YEA explain that I think we pointed out

0:50:37.120 --> 0:50:41.400
<v Speaker 1>in the ESP podcast that probably the likeliest explanations that

0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:43.960
<v Speaker 1>the Buddha hands it out to his most devout followers.

0:50:44.160 --> 0:50:47.439
<v Speaker 1>There you have. It looks like granny Uh. I don't

0:50:47.480 --> 0:50:50.120
<v Speaker 1>have her last name, but that is from Joy and

0:50:50.400 --> 0:50:54.319
<v Speaker 1>can in Hong Kong. Uh. That's right, even though Joy

0:50:54.520 --> 0:51:00.560
<v Speaker 1>is in Australia can Canberra, Canberra, Canberra, Australia and Thesia,

0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:05.919
<v Speaker 1>Hong Kong. Joy. Thanks Joy, Yeah, thanks a lot. Joy.

0:51:06.040 --> 0:51:09.440
<v Speaker 1>That's a good story. Uh, and we got some like that,

0:51:09.560 --> 0:51:14.359
<v Speaker 1>Actually didn't We probably more of those than Peter doesn't work.

0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:18.080
<v Speaker 1>We got very few of those. I was really surprised. Yeah,

0:51:18.080 --> 0:51:19.880
<v Speaker 1>I thought we did a good job of laying it

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