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Speaker 1: Hello, I'm Scott Sambi Williams and I'm Michael bar And

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Speaker 1: this is the Bloomberg Business of Sports podcast, where we

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Speaker 1: explored the big money issues in the world of sports.

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Speaker 1: And today we begin with a report that Tiger Woods

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Speaker 1: turned down millions of dollars by declining to play at

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Speaker 1: a controversial event in Saudi Arabia. Well, I don't think

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Speaker 1: the event is controversial. The location controversial. The fact that

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Speaker 1: it's the Saudi government putting up the appearance fees and

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Speaker 1: the prize money that's controversial. Uh, inso much as obviously,

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Speaker 1: in the wake of the murder of Jamalka Jamalka Shogi, Um,

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Speaker 1: we saw endeavor give back money from the Saudi government. Um.

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Speaker 1: Tiger did not go last year either. He's not really

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Speaker 1: making it political. Tiger said he's not going because it's

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Speaker 1: far away. I'm sorry that I chuckled, because you know,

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Speaker 1: Tiger travels the world at his private jet to appear.

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Speaker 1: It's all over the place, but apparently this one's too

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Speaker 1: far away. But others are going and they're catching flak.

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Speaker 1: And I kind of Phil Nicholson's response on Twitter. He

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Speaker 1: just told folks, I've never been there. I want to.

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Speaker 1: I want the experience, you'll get over it. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: funny part of me, you know, you see the Tiger

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Speaker 1: Woods turns down three million dollar opportunity headline, and a

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Speaker 1: part of me says, you know, Tiger probably turns down

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Speaker 1: million dollar opportunities on it on a daily or a

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Speaker 1: weekly basis. But you're right, this is interesting because it's

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Speaker 1: a European tour stop in Saudi Arabia. It's year two

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Speaker 1: of the of the tournament um And as you said,

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Speaker 1: we have seen a number of sports and entertainment properties

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Speaker 1: who have drawn criticism, especially in the wake of the

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Speaker 1: Jamaica because Shogee incident, have drawn criticism for partnering with

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Speaker 1: and and and taking money and going to by the way,

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Speaker 1: are using sport to sort of absolutely without question. So

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Speaker 1: some of the big ones, w w E, which did

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Speaker 1: its Crown Jewel event in Saudi Arabia last year, I

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Speaker 1: believe they're doing that again. In the past week, Riot Games,

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Speaker 1: the big video game publisher, they announced a big e

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Speaker 1: sports event that's going to be happening in Riad. I

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Speaker 1: believe even a couple of weeks. It's the biggest prize

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Speaker 1: package for any sports event in the Middle East, and

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Speaker 1: then another big one in the news right now, Anthony

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Speaker 1: Joshua and Andy Ruiz Jr. Are having their heavyweight title

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Speaker 1: fat fight in right outside Riad this weekend in a

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Speaker 1: venue that didn't exist ever. Right they're building it just

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Speaker 1: for this event. They scored a forty million dollar venue

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Speaker 1: prize just to move the event there. It angered a

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Speaker 1: lot of boxing folks. It's going to be very controversial,

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Speaker 1: has been very controversial, will continue to be um. But

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Speaker 1: just a reminder you know that that there there's so

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Speaker 1: much business and sports interest and entertainment interest tied up

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Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia already, and right now you're seeing Saudi Arabia,

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Speaker 1: like you just said, they're exposing Uh, they're people there,

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Speaker 1: two more American eyed sports if you want to call it. That.

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Speaker 1: No truth to the rumor by the way that they've

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Speaker 1: offered US three million to do a live show from No,

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Speaker 1: that's I think that's just too are away from it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's I don't it does not seem as though

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Speaker 1: this is a political stand by Tiger, but he has

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Speaker 1: a golf course in Dubai. Yeah, it certainly seems this

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Speaker 1: it's inconvenient. I just don't feel like going. Sure, and

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Speaker 1: as you said, you know Phil Nicholson is playing for

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Speaker 1: the first time this year. Dustin Johnson won the event

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Speaker 1: all right, yeah, it should have happened some time ago.

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Speaker 1: tired of this mentality of just what you just said,

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Speaker 1: Here is also when one of the allegations against Peter's

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Speaker 1: He said, I brought it to the top. I I

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Speaker 1: let's have a group hug, but I am asking people

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Speaker 1: How about that? Yeah, verbally physically you cannot abuse them.

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Speaker 1: I chose this for you. Bar Oh, there are tears

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Speaker 1: my heart. Demolition beginning at the Palace of Auburn Hills,

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Speaker 1: four super Bowls. But why, but why? Is this worthy

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Speaker 1: of discussion? Not just because you're a detroitter. This is

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Speaker 1: privately financed ninety million bucks. Could you imagine trying to Bucks?

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Speaker 1: So what do you think? So it was sold before

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Speaker 1: that's what the arena sold for. Oh yeah, but the

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Speaker 1: They're building an it's all about restaurants and viewing pavilions

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Speaker 1: get tourism there to write. If you just walk any

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Speaker 1: an alternate world, we could have had you calling the

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Speaker 1: an alternate universe, that could have been what is Stephen

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Speaker 1: Jackson doing anyway? Oh man, I'm gonna miss you. I'm sorry, Palace,

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