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Speaker 1: This is all most Famous Beyond the Bachelor with Susie Evans.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, and welcome back to Beyond the Bachelor. This

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Speaker 2: is your host, Susie Evans. Today I'm joined by Clay Walker,

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Speaker 2: who was on Ben Flanni's season of the Bachelor. I

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Speaker 2: personally did not watch this episode, so I'm really excited

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Speaker 2: because rumor has it that on the episode, Clay serenades

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Speaker 2: one couple and Emily's competitive strategy causes a firestorm. So

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Speaker 2: we're going to get the scoop today on this episode.

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Speaker 2: I'm going into it a little blind because I have

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Speaker 2: not seen that episode, but I'm really excited to learn

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Speaker 2: all the behind the scenes details and everything that he

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Speaker 2: can share with us.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Susie, how you doing this morning?

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Speaker 2: Hi?

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Speaker 3: I'm good. How are you great?

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Rumor has it when you performed on the show, it

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Speaker 2: kind of stirred up a bit of drama or possibly

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Speaker 2: there was some dramatics happening in that house around that time.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any Do you have any memories of

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Speaker 2: this or behind the scenes infant that you want to

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Speaker 2: start to show off with and tell us.

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Speaker 1: Me in my own house, Are there house.

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Speaker 3: No, no.

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Speaker 2: In the Bachelor House, well, I.

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Speaker 1: You know, I I just remember the show being really

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Speaker 1: really well done and that uh, you know, the girl

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Speaker 1: of mine and so the Bachelor wanting to surprise her,

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Speaker 1: and it did in a great way. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know how they kept it a surprise, you know, that long,

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Speaker 1: but it's hard to keep surprises. But I I can

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Speaker 1: remember the it was in Colorado. It's been it's been

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Speaker 1: a minute, but I think the whole the whole group

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Speaker 1: was very excited, you know, for the performance, and the

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Speaker 1: song was big at the time, and so she won't

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Speaker 1: be longly long and but I I I want to

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Speaker 1: say that her favorite song was maybe Hypnotize the Moon.

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Speaker 1: That may have been it, but like I said, it's

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Speaker 1: both of them were over the top and super hospitable

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Speaker 1: and super excited. And I thought that the crew and

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Speaker 1: the production team were quite amazing, you know. And a

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Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, those things can be so

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Speaker 1: but that felt felt right.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's so cool.

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Speaker 2: It's got to be so unique to be able to

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Speaker 2: showcase your music on a reality show. I'm sure it's

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Speaker 2: very different from what you normally experience whether you're touring

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Speaker 2: or recording music. How did this opportunity come about and

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Speaker 2: what was your initial reaction when you either received the

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Speaker 2: call er got the information that you were going to

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Speaker 2: be doing a performance on the show.

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Speaker 1: Well, two things happened kind of simultaneously. There was another

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Speaker 1: request for me to play uh the Hurst wedding, which

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Speaker 1: I guess you have these cycles, you know, where either

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Speaker 1: there are media requests or requests like that, and and

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Speaker 1: uh uh, you know, everyone knows about The Bachelor NAVI

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Speaker 1: very popular for good reason, because everyone's curious, you know

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Speaker 1: about you know, what are the inside you know, actions

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Speaker 1: and of course I was intrigued and then when they

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Speaker 1: because as it actually signals you know that there's a popularity,

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Speaker 1: it was flattering and I was excited to go do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really cool.

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Speaker 2: Did anything unexpected come from the opportunity, like, did other

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Speaker 2: collaborations happen, or just anything that sparked a new path

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Speaker 1: You know, one thing generally does build off of another.

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Speaker 1: For example, we just we just were at the Academy

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Speaker 1: It was you know, the AP picked it up, and

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Speaker 1: I can't remember because, like I said, it's been been

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Speaker 1: it had that same effect. You know, I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: what it all happened because of it, but it's always

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Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, that's too funny. I think I'm curious

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Speaker 3: if being on.

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Speaker 2: The show, even for the segment, just the segment that

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Speaker 2: you were on, did it influenced your love life at all?

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Speaker 2: Were you married at the time when you were on

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Speaker 2: What what did that look like.

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Speaker 1: So my wife is thirteen years younger than I am,

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Speaker 1: and she was a huge fan on the Bachelor. So

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Speaker 1: when when I told her about you know, getting the invitation,

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Speaker 1: of course, she was over the top. You know, all

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Speaker 1: It's like and honestly, I don't I don't watch TV,

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Speaker 1: excited about the opportunity. But yes, her friend group, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, we've always we've always had a great love life.

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Speaker 1: So so it's uh, did it enhance it any Uh,

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Speaker 3: That's awesome. I can't I can't imagine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, your significant other gets a call to perform on

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Speaker 3: That's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: I remember. One of her most exciting moments is she

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Speaker 1: when you get around somebody that that you grew up loving,

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Speaker 1: you know, are idolized any kind of way, it is

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Speaker 3: That's so nice.

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Speaker 2: I've found since moving to LA that there's people that

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Speaker 2: social media, and I'll see them places and I have

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Speaker 2: I kind of feel like that juxtaposition with being in

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Speaker 2: But you're like, oh, this is so weird. I know

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Speaker 2: But it's kind of fun when you get to have

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Speaker 2: those experiences. Where are you from, Susie, I'm from Virginia. Yeah, yep,

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Speaker 2: from Virginia. Moved to LA about a year.

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Speaker 2: I've dabbled in reality television myself, but I'm curious. I

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Speaker 1: I think I recognized a long time ago that I

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Speaker 1: just about everything. When you ask about authenticity, I think

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Speaker 1: I've always been that way and that is what has

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Speaker 1: endeared the fans to me. But my folks family, you know,

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Speaker 1: and they didn't tolerate rude behavior that was growing up.

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Speaker 1: so I think that shows and who I am and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: I can say from personal experience and having friends that

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Speaker 2: with all the public watching it's it's so much more

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Speaker 2: And a lot of times you want to defend yourself

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Speaker 2: or you want to say, hey, there's more to this

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Speaker 2: if you've you know, carried yourself and conducted yourself in

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Speaker 3: You know, proud of, then that's really all you can do.

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Speaker 2: And it's it sounds like your fan base has seen

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Speaker 1: I think you're spot on with that. And and I

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Speaker 1: think it's it's harder and harder, you know, for people

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Speaker 1: I think everyone has a certain amount of wickedness in them,

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Speaker 1: whether admit it or not yet. And so it's like

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Speaker 1: when it gets exposed, you know, it's like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: you know. But not that anything was wicked about Bachelor,

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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying that it's you know, I'm intrigued

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Speaker 1: by I mean, I'm more intrigued by how curious people

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Speaker 1: I mean, most most shows do not cannot last you know,

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Speaker 1: four or five seasons. I think eight seems to be

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's miraculous. You know. So they're doing

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Speaker 1: something right there. You know, the format, the ingredients, the

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Speaker 1: I guess, it's a lot of the raw reality is

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Speaker 1: what it was what attracts people so much, and you know,

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Speaker 1: kudos to them, they've done great job.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: So lastly, we kind of touched on this earlier, but

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Speaker 2: my last question was what advice would you offer to

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Speaker 1: Most of my advice to my younger self would be

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Speaker 1: what I laid out earlier, you know, about waiting and

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Speaker 1: being patient, because when it says good things come to

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Speaker 1: those who wait, it's really probably the most honest, you know,

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Speaker 1: secular proverb I've ever heard in my life. You know

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Speaker 1: that that when you wait, something better is going to

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Speaker 1: come along. I know a lot of times when I've

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Speaker 1: been offered either tours or or you know, or a

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Speaker 1: the time, most of it, something better came along. And

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Speaker 1: and same way with with with with relationships. You know

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Speaker 1: when you just when you say no and and you

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Speaker 1: absolutely wait, I mean like almost every time, something better

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Speaker 1: it to myself now, you know. And and like I said,

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Speaker 1: I made all of those faults, all those fallacies that happened,

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Speaker 1: and I got myself in a lot of trouble, you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: with the wrong people and and I'm talking about in

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Speaker 1: business and and now now it's it's it's really in

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Speaker 1: such a great place that now now I'm just telling myself,

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Speaker 1: you know, hold the line and have the fortitude to

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Speaker 1: go with the team you have. They're the right ones.

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Speaker 1: You've got the right people, and great things are going

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Speaker 1: to happen. So that that's exactly where I am now.

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Speaker 1: But just it just takes a while.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome. Well, thank you so much for joining us today.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate you taking time to chat and give us

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Speaker 2: the inside scoop on your life and your experience on the.

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Speaker 3: Bachelor and all the good stuff. We got to chat about.

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Speaker 1: So thank you well, Susan, You've been absolutely a joy

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Speaker 1: to do the interview with and anytime you anytime you

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Speaker 1: want a song or will be there.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: M HM.