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Speaker 1: On this episode of Newsworld on Tuesday, President Biden's son,

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden, agreed to plead guilty to two misdemeanor tax

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Speaker 1: prosecution on a separate gun charge. The federal prosecutor who

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Speaker 1: David Weiss, the US attorney in Delaware. While this plea

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Speaker 1: agreement ends his legal troubles, it still does not address

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Speaker 1: questions that many of us have about Hunter Biden's business dealings.

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Speaker 1: After his father became vice president in two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 1: he built relationships with wealthy foreigners that brought in millions

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Speaker 1: on his family name. Here to discuss Hunter Biden and

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Speaker 1: what we can expect next, I'm really pleased to introduce

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Speaker 1: my guests, Professor William Jacobson. He is a clinical professor

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Speaker 1: Cornell Law School. William, welcome, and thank you for joining

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Speaker mcconthy called Hunter Biden's plea deal a sweetheart deal.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious, what's your take on this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it is a sweetheart deal, particularly if

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Speaker 2: So misdemeanor tax violations normally would not result in prison time,

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Speaker 2: So that's not surprising. But why were they charged as misdemeanors.

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Speaker 2: Why did they agree to lower them to misdemeanors when

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Speaker 2: been charged as felonies. The other one was lying on

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Speaker 2: your gun permit application, your background check, and that is

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Speaker 2: And so I think the issue here is not so

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Speaker 1: It does struck me that there's a lot of Americans

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Speaker 1: just trangs me. It's so out of the norm and

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Speaker 1: so many Americans have in fact suffered much more serious penalties.

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Speaker 1: How would you explain it to somebody who's sitting in jail.

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Speaker 2: Well, you can't really, and that's the problem. I think

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Speaker 2: the Department of Justice. This is just another indication that

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Speaker 2: the Department of Justice and the FBI have really important

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Speaker 2: people who are threats toward safety, and they can't do that,

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Speaker 2: and people can't have faith in it if it appears

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Speaker 1: In the case of the tax issue, as I understand it,

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Speaker 1: he's already paid about a million dollars in back taxes

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Speaker 1: and penalties. Isn't that a fairly significant amount?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's significant, but it's also a case of preparing

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Speaker 2: for this plea where did that money come from. There

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Speaker 2: from the prosecutors. That's not a good appearance.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't they either have a gift tax problem or an

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Speaker 2: I don't know about that. I don't know how that

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Speaker 1: So at one level, the Congress ought to be asking

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Speaker 2: That's the big issue. And I think the concern here

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Speaker 2: Biden closed the book on it. That's the bigger concern

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Speaker 2: because it's the payoffs to the Biden family that really

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Speaker 1: Does to me Also, thisre some confusion because when the

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Speaker 1: the District of Delaware. It is my understanding that the

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Speaker 2: If that's going to happen, and if that is not

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Speaker 2: for any of the payoffs that might have taken place,

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Speaker 2: things that might be characterized as bribes to the Biden family,

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Speaker 2: on that. So if that's happening, that's extremely concerning.

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Speaker 1: It's been interesting to watch the elite media do everything

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Speaker 1: Committee argues the bank records show that the Biden family,

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Speaker 1: their business associates, and their companies received over ten million

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Speaker 1: over time to different bank accounts. Comer suggests that these

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Speaker 1: total amounts, and they assert this again as the chairman.

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Speaker 1: Comber of the committee asserts that the Biden family and

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Speaker 1: associates activities in Romania alone bear clear indications of a

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Speaker 1: And it's a fascinating thing and It's one which the

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Speaker 2: It will come out. The question is is it going

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Speaker 2: to come out before the twenty twenty four presidential election,

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Speaker 2: just like they were suppression of the information from Hunter

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Speaker 2: will it eventually come out? Is it going to be

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Speaker 1: The differences in treatment are just stunning. There's a rapper

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Speaker 2: There are real problems here with the system that sees

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Speaker 2: not just a quote unquote important person, but sees a

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Speaker 2: Well, it is because we're a system that relies on

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Speaker 2: And so you're right, this goes to something that strikes

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Speaker 2: That's right. I think highlights the importance of regaining the Republicans,

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Speaker 1: Well. And historically, corruption tends to grow and grow and grow.

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Speaker 1: The idea that they want to make it prohibitively dangerous

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Speaker 2: It's right Republicans and conservatives have trouble finding law firms

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Speaker 2: life up until now, as opposed to resolution a very

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Speaker 2: will be revealed in court with an opportunity for the

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Speaker 2: public to try to, at least from a public opinion

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Speaker 2: point of view, if not a legal point of view,

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Speaker 2: contest them.

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Speaker 1: Is it possible that the US Attorney would file the

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Speaker 1: agreements under seal.

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Speaker 2: I think that would be not something that is likely

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Speaker 2: to hold up. These do not involve national security, they

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Speaker 2: do not involve of classified information. There's no justification for

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Speaker 2: sealing the otherwise public criminal plea of a citizen unless

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Speaker 2: there's something else here, and so I don't think that

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Speaker 2: would be permitted and if it would be permitted, I

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Speaker 2: would hope that various news organizations would contest that and

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Speaker 2: would try to get that unsealed.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how I would play out in court,

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Speaker 1: but at that point I suspect the House would try

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Speaker 1: to subpoena it and probably end up in the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court well.

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Speaker 2: If the Department of Justice agreed to seal to try

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Speaker 2: to keep sealed the terms of Hunter Biden's plea agreement,

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Speaker 2: that would be truly shocking, and that would be just

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Speaker 2: another indication that what's happening here is an attempt to

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Speaker 2: protect the Biden family as opposed to see justice done.

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Speaker 1: I really want to thank you for joining me and

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Speaker 1: for helping us understand the ins and outs of the

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden plea deal and what we expect next. I

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Speaker 1: think this thing is going to go on for a

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Speaker 1: good while and have a lot of twists and turns,

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Speaker 1: and I hope we will be able to convince you

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Speaker 1: to come back and share your knowledge and your insights again.

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Speaker 2: I look forward to it. Thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest, professor William Jacobson. You can

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Speaker 1: learn more about Hunter Biden's plea deal on our show

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