WEBVTT - Dave Harriton | AEV FXL Super Duty Deep Dive 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:08.160 Hullo and welcome to the Overlain Journal Podcast. 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:11.039 I'm your host Matt Scott and we've got Dave Hareton 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:14.080 on the podcast again today. Always good to have you. 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:18.240 We're gonna be talking about the new AEV FXL, which 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:20.599 is the next I guess, the next evolution of the 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:22.760 aev's big heavy duty trucks. 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:25.280 Yeah, it's kind of the last in the trilogy. 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:27.880 Yeah, because you guys obviously have RAM you started in 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:31.800 like twenty thirteen on that you're saying, correct, personal favorite 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:35.680 of mine had a couple you went into Chevy and GMC, 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:38.440 so you can get those. I mean those are factory 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:40.559 assembly line built trucks, which I think. 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:41.760 Is really cool and notable. 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:44.320 Like, I don't think there's really anybody else in the 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:48.400 industry that has that level of integration on the OE side. 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:52.440 Yeah, it's it's quite a truck from the for an 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:56.880 oeon offering, just to be offered through the factory, fully validated, 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:59.240 fully crash tested, everything's done. 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:03.360 That Chevy or the GMC is the most comfortable full 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:06.520 sized truck that ever bought. With those d d SSV 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:10.280 school valve shocks. The Multimatic stuff, I mean Multimatic's crazy. 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:12.600 Like I always feel like people like geek out on 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.679 Fox or Bilstein or whatever, but they don't understand like 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:19.840 the level right of technical valving that these guys are 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:20.919 doing for motorsport. 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:25.039 Like, yeah, the DSSV shock is d just not understood. 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:27.920 I wouldn't say misunderstood, is just not understood. Yeah, it's 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:30.440 an amazing shock because the the flu is not going 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:32.080 in and out of the shop. The flu's going around 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:34.959 in a circle in the shock, so it's basically impossible 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:37.640 to overheat. And it it always kind of hurts my 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:39.400 soul a little bit when I see somebody take a 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.360 PCE and take those off and put a you know, 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:43.560 a standard shock on it. 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:47.080 Well because they're basically just like a tube with you 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:49.640 know some like a valve stack and a little hole 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:51.480 or stething. Like it's it's. 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:52.880 Really throwing a lot of stuff away. 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.520 But when they're using like the multimatic stuff on like 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:59.120 like before GT program uses it for a La Mont 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:00.760 like it's since Yeah, and. 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:02.120 They mostly do race cars. 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.760 Yeah, they built the four GT, they built the new 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:11.040 what's the new Mustang, the crazy TD, the GTD they 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:12.160 built that like. 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:13.480 Which has multi nating chocks. 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:14.760 Yeah, yeah, Yeah. 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:18.440 It's an amazing shot. Unfortunately, in our industry it's just 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:19.520 not quite understood. 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:23.240 Yeah, but and a special thanks to Nitto Tire for 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:28.760 supporting this week's podcast. 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You can make 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.480 the world's coolest Ram, which I think he kind of did, 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:53.560 and that's still never going to be enough to convince 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.440 a Ford guy to buy a Dodge to buy a Ram. 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:01.200 Yeah. In heavy duty pickups, brand loyalty is. 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:03.320 Everything. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:07.240 Yeah, it's really it's hard to or comprehend how strong 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.640 the brand loyalty is and full size trucks, especially in 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:13.160 the heavy duty world. And then also we noticed that 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:16.360 it was very geocentric, so like, you know, this part 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:19.720 of Canada is all round, and this part of you know, 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:20.760 Texas is all for. 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:23.080 Or maybe even say all Texas is for. 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:28.000 But there was very, very very strong geocentric locations for 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.039 heavy duty trucks. And we also had a lot of 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:34.159 customers just asking us for and you know it was 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:37.920 something we never had the time or the just never 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:39.840 really had the time or the knowledge should do it. 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.360 And then we kind of were wrapping up the GMC 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:47.520 the next generation Chevy and GMC, and we had a 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:49.760 little bit of time and we looked at it. And 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.440 we've looked at it several times. I mean, you know, 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:54.920 we've got probably CAD data going back to two thousand 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.400 and nine. We've looked at it a couple of times. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.279 And anyway, this time we looked at it and we 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:03.159 had the experience, we had the knowledge, and we felt 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:06.960 like now was a good time to do that with 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:10.200 Ford getting all the ads, yeah, and you know, the 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:12.640 radars going in and it just it opened up some 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:14.960 opportunities for us and we felt like we had the 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:16.920 right amount of experience to jump in. 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.240 I think that these heavy duty trucks, they're always kind 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:21.280 of leap frogging each other, you know, Like I think 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.080 a RAM was really hot for a while. Like I 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.640 personally liked the Rams. You know, we were saying earlier 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.560 they're kind of like a scaled up Wrangler chassis. You know, 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:33.560 they're really technically capable off road. I think Ford has 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:38.120 these insane drive lines, I mean five hundred horsepower twelve 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.920 hundred pound feet of torque, and then they have this 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:45.080 ten speed transmission that's in Jesus came out in twenty ten. 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:48.960 It's pretty proven. Now, I mean that FXL which is 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:52.039 on forties. I mean it hides them so well, but 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:53.839 it's got to be a beast for telling. 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:57.000 Yeah, I mean, I you know, honestly, I think they 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.960 all all these trucks, now, they're all let's just call 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.320 of one thousand plus pound fee to torque, Chevy slightly 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:07.680 less Rams right there, board's a little higher. All of 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:11.240 them have good transmissions. Now, the Ford and Chevy transmission. 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:13.240 You know they were developed same time. 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:14.240 Oh I didn't know that. 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:16.120 You can't say that the same ten speed, but they're 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:17.000 very very similar. 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:17.600 Similar. 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:24.760 The new Chrysler eight A P transmission is HD is 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:25.600 high performance. 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:28.360 Forget what AP is, but it's more built for towing. 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:30.720 It's it's very similar. 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.240 It's got a PTO and it's built for the it's 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.440 an eight AP ten to fifty, so it's built for 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.719 that torque. But you know, since the Ram got that 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.400 transmission twenty five, I would say they're like every one 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:44.599 of these trucks. People always ask me which one's the best, 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:46.280 which one's your favorite. 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:47.479 I don't think you go wrong. 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:51.960 I think that honestly, pick the best dealer in your area. 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:53.880 You know, if you're not brand loyal, just pick the 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.080 best dealer in the area. And I think that's why 0:06:56.120 --> 0:07:00.840 the geocentric popularity has developed. I think, just good dealers 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.320 in certain areas and they've developed a loyal. 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:06.200 Follow I was notice, like when I'm going up to 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:08.600 the Tetons or something, and I'm broughting through Idaho, It's 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:12.000 like every vehicle is a GM product. 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:12.760 Like every truck. 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.640 Like you really do start to notice it in different areas, 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:19.920 Like you know, I mean, living in Arizona, I don't 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:21.920 see a lot of Chevyes, like I see a lot 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:25.000 of Rams, you know, I see a lot of the Fords. 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:26.880 You know. 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:28.360 I think it's as good for people to have. 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:30.200 Options it is. 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.920 And you know, I know some people would like get 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:34.880 disowned by their family if they bought. 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:36.640 Isn't it funny? How like so much of it comes 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:38.640 back to like you're like, like, for me, like if 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:40.720 I drove a Chevy, like I just have this image 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.640 of my dis like my my father disapproving me, and like, 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.520 you know, his face is popping up in a cloud 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:50.240 or something next to me. Like yeah, like I don't know, 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.480 but I've actually been really like like Chevy has been 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:58.560 doing so much, I think with with their product Chevy, GM, GMC. 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.600 Sorry I kind of use them interchange, like they're so 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:05.400 quiet inside. Like I drove the Baby Bison like that. 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:10.440 It was the AT four x AEV Edition Canyon. I 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:14.320 couldn't believe is how tight that car was, Like you know, That's. 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:14.760 What I'm saying. 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.680 Almost all that like there's not I mean, I don't 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.120 think any of these cars have a fault. 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:20.920 Like on the heavy duty trucks, they are. 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:24.800 All so comfortable, so powerful, they're ready for anything in 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:25.400 any weather. 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:28.320 In my opinion, the heavy duty truck. 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.480 If you don't live in an inner city, if you 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:32.880 don't live in a very urban environment and you can, 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.760 you can drive a heavy duty truck. I really can't 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:38.720 think of anything more comfortable and regardless of the brand. 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:42.080 I mean, you know, I just saw I'm on my 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:46.400 third Prospector Excel now, which is I have horrible vehicle. 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.080 Add I don't suggest that I should have just kept 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:54.760 my first one, but I was in a Grenadier and 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:57.240 I don't know why, Like I just kind of like 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.400 had this idea that you know, the Prospector was gonna 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:01.200 be so much harder to drive, even though, like I've 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:03.760 had them, but it's like easier to drive than the Grenadier, 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:07.120 Like they're not. I also think like when you when 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:10.160 you lift these things and you put the big tires 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:12.800 on them, there's something that kind of happens to them 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:16.520 to almost make them more driveable, like they feel a 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:18.680 little more light on their feet or something like I 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:22.400 don't I can't put my finger on it. But they're 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.959 just nice to drive, Like they're so comfortable. I think 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:26.239 they're super luxurious. 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.319 Yeah, once you're used to a thousand pound feod torque, 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.280 it's hard to go back, really hard to you know, 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:34.280 come up the hill here and yeah, you know it's 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.880 down shifting or yeah, it does become kind of. 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:42.280 Well yeah, and like it is bar none in the 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:46.320 United States, maybe globally, the most competitive segment of automotive, 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:48.560 Like you know, like there's there's probably there's a segment 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.880 of like economy cars that's very you know competitive for price. 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:56.560 But these trucks have budget, they have room and dollars 0:09:56.600 --> 0:10:00.520 for engineering, and they have like insane volume. So like 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:03.480 there is you know, if the F one fifty or 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:06.559 the Super Duty is bad, like it's such a large thing, 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.600 like that's bad for America. Right, But these companies are 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.880 always kind of pushing each other on and like I 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.480 was saying, they leap frog right, Like I think Ford 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:20.640 right now, you know new body. They're still on the 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:24.600 aluminum body, but they've updated the body, new interiors because 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.400 they were a little bit behind on the interiors. I think, 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:33.120 like the twenty seventeen you know to twenty nineteen, twenty 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:35.520 twenty trucks kind of aged, I think a little bit. 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:38.680 But these new interiors are great. Yeah, the drive train 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:40.439 is crazy awesome. 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:42.120 The suspension's good. 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.120 I really think we're in the heyday of the I mean, 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:46.320 these trucks are so good. 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:48.600 I mean, what's the next step for a lot of 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:49.000 these things? 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:51.880 Like it almost makes me think like electrification has to 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:55.839 be the next step, Like how much can you get 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:58.720 out of these these engines? You know, they seem to 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:01.559 I don't know, for whatever reason, Like you know, the 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:05.680 the GM products with their six point six leaders, both 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:13.199 Ford and Ram are six seven's. Like it's just interesting, 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.360 you know, once you kind of think, oh they can't 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.720 really get any better, they just keep getting better. 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:23.400 Yeah, it's hard to say. I mean sometimes I can say, 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:24.440 but I can't say. 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:25.760 Oh, yeah, I'm not necessarily asking you. 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:27.679 It's just like I think, right now, we have a 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:32.040 really good selection trucks, and you know, the Ford is 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:36.040 obviously the newest to me. It's I've only just started 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:40.040 driving it recently with the with our package on it. 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:41.959 But yeah, it's just so impressive. 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.400 We were out in l A doing riding drives with 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:49.319 media earlier this week and we actually picked a canyon 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:53.640 road instead of highway or off road to do that on, 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:58.600 which doesn't seem really for a one ton truck on forty. 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:00.240 They're kind of a hoo's a hustle home. 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:00.480 Though. 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:03.319 It was awesome going both up and down that canyon. 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:05.719 Uh. You know, we had a couple of drivers, a 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.720 couple of journalists that actually knew how to drive, and 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.240 they were having fun with it, and yeah, it was 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:14.720 really kind of cool to see a nine thousand dollars 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:16.600 truck hustling through a canyon. 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.880 Yeah, and they're just you know, again not to reader, 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.120 but they're just so comfortable inside. Like you're saying, like 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.800 if you're not, like, it would suck. That truck would 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.199 suck if you lived in New York City. 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:28.880 Yeah, you knowpropriate. 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:31.960 It's it's not it's not really what you're going for, right, 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:36.120 but you know, for most people in rural America, oh 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.240 my god, they're just I keep. 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:40.240 Calling them Cadillacs, Like, yeah, you. 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:41.160 Know, I look at I look at a lot of 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:43.320 the guys that buy their range rovers and they buy this, 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:47.679 and I'm like, I've got more power, I've got more, more, more, 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:49.040 better on pretty much everything. 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.160 So yeah, absolutely, I mean if I had to drive 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.679 across country tomorrow, I would pick a one done truck 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:58.160 or three quarter ton truck before any Mercedes sedan. 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:00.760 Yeah, I mean, for putting miles down, I just don't 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.199 think there's anything more comfortable. But so let's start diving 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:08.760 in on the FXL. So the FXL package, these components 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:13.840 are going to be available separately from you know, buying 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:17.880 the like the AEV VIN truck for like the AEV peeks. 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.439 That's the big thing is you get the windshield banner, 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.640 you know, which I'm sure people are copying and whatever 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:25.719 now because it's kind of it's become a bit of 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:28.240 a thing. Yeah, you know, and you get that, you 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.960 get the VIN stamps. So there's gonna be dealers where 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:32.359 you can buy fxls. 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:33.200 Yeah. 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:36.040 So we'll have I mean traditional, We'll have a AEV 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:39.480 Ford dealer. Okay, you know that you can go in 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.280 and buy a truck through them. It comes directly from 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:45.520 Ford's assembly plant to us. We build the truck, ship 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.880 it to the dealer, you pick it up, full factory warranty. 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:52.640 Like you said, it gets all the AEV graphics badging, 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.920 windshield banner, thin tag, but also little things like the 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:57.560 tire placards are corrected. 0:13:57.679 --> 0:13:58.839 So yeah, when you go. 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:00.360 Into a tire shop, they're not trying to fill your 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.520 tires ninety PSI. It's all correct and they can put 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.680 the right size tire on it. It actually says, you know, 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:09.559 forty by thirteen, fifty and eighteen tires. There's a lot 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:13.880 of little things that you get, including the warranty. Yes, 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.360 you can also buy parts, so we'll make all the 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.600 parts available. Those parts will start coming out here, I 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.280 think at the end of the month, so early June. 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:29.120 Bumpers wheels from upper rear bumper wheels, flares and then 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:33.200 suspension will follow. Suspension just takes time because we work 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.960 with our partner Builstein, and that you know, those shocks 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:41.760 are unique AV eighty one hundred, so because AEV is 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:43.960 not just a wheel company, not just the bumper company, 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.960 not just a suspension company. We're able to tune all 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.400 those things together. So our eighty one hundred is tuned 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:55.520 specifically for that truck with our spring, with that tire 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:58.640 at the pressure we specify, with our front bumper with 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:02.080 the winch in there, so we're able to really fine 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.880 tune that for the customer versus you know, trying to 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.440 buy some shock and some spring and make it all work. 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:08.960 Yeah. 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:11.040 Yeah, I mean you always talk about kind of like 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.240 the frequency of the springs and how that affects the 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.720 shock tuning, And there's so many variables, like you know, 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:21.000 there are. I mean, there's just a lot of shocks 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:22.840 out there, right, And it's not to say that somebody 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.240 can't go and you know, properly valve a shock, but 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.080 there's a lot that goes into it. Like I always 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:30.800 love seeing, you know, the pictures of like the prospect 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.520 Or Excels getting like slid around, you know, in a 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.040 slalomn course on the track and that kind of stuff. 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.200 Yeah, you really are better off. 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:42.360 Having our engineers do the shot tuning versus you trying 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:44.720 to do it in a garage or guys just have 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:48.400 a lot more time and experience doing that and they 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.400 can tune it specifically for that truck, which is it. 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:54.440 You can really feel like it just feels like a 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.200 very well tuned cohesive package. 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:02.360 Yeah, I mean spending some time with the FXL today 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.560 we're at Overland Expo West. So if there's the occasional 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:11.080 annoying squeal or something in the background, that's why. But 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:16.960 it hides the forties so well, Like I think the 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.440 thing that stands out to me. You know, the bumpers 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.320 are great, we'll get into those later. But the design 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:26.160 of the wheel arches is very unique, Like it's not 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:30.320 you know that it's obviously just a different vehicle than 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:35.520 the PXL RAM, and I like that it is completely different. 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:37.440 Like there's been a lot of thought putting in the 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:41.040 sculpting in how that was designed. I know you're kind 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:43.760 of saying there's a little inspired by like obs. 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:47.600 Yeah, if you go back into the history of Ford. Well, yeah, 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:49.800 So we did take a little bit of a beating 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.840 online early on when we showed those Vender flares because 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:54.840 people are like, oh, you know, why are you making 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.040 it look like a Chevy with the squared off endor flares, 0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:02.320 and that wasn't the intent. In fact, the intent you 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:07.360 know in the early I think early nineties for somebody 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:10.040 at Ford Designed decreed that all Fords from now on 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:14.359 we'll have round, circular, semi circular real openings and so 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:16.200 and it's been a thing ever since. And that was 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.720 really you know, start of the jelly bean styling with 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:20.840 like in the in the automotive styling where we called 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.240 the jelly bean error of Ford with. 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:28.080 Like thee like the style side F one fifties and 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:31.200 that kind of stuff for trucks like very rounded, so it's. 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:32.240 Called the jelly bean error. 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.879 And and so at that point, you know, even the 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.520 F two fifty went to a more rounded style, and 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.960 gradually over time that truck has shifted back to being 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:43.439 mostly square, except but. 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:45.119 The forwards are very angular, the. 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.399 Very square, and they've got these round wheel openings. 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:50.040 And so when we were looking at it, I asked 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:55.040 the guys, I said, hey, you know, let's do this more. 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:57.680 As a first of all, I think it's it's appropriate 0:17:57.840 --> 0:17:59.800 in the truck because it's gotten more square, but let's 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.399 go back to the more of the old body style 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:06.199 forward wheelopening. So like pre eighty six. The wheel opening 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:07.959 is exactly what we have. So we took the pre 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.000 eighty six wheel opening because you know, you're looking at 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:12.840 Bear Jackson and you're seeing all these obs trucks phone 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.160 for two hundred and three hundred thousand dollars, and that's 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:18.920 what people are liking. So let's take the OBS as 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.199 a nod. Or let's take that flare shape as an 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.479 as a nod to the older trucks, and guess what. 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:26.479 It looks more appropriate because the truck has gone back square. 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.040 The rest of the truck square except the semi circular 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:29.639 wheel opening. 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:30.400 So let's do that. 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:34.120 Let's square off this wheel opening, not like old GM, 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:35.840 but let's you know, make it look. 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:37.639 Like the old Ford you had mentioned. You know that 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:39.400 people were giving me kinds of flack that it looked 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:40.440 a little GM. 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:42.120 But they were younger people turned out, and then when 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:43.879 you explained it to them, they're like, oh, that's actually 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:44.440 really cool. 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.560 Yeah, because like the GMS, that's like they were very narrow, 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:52.240 tall and very square, very seat, where this has the 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:53.600 width added to it. 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.600 Yeah, and it's angular, it's actually angule, it's really not 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.719 squared off. But yeah, in general it's not a semi circle. 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.239 And yeah, once you explain it to people, they're kind 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:04.280 of like, oh, I forgot about that. I forgot that 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:06.639 pre eighty six trucks had this shape, and now I 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:08.720 see it and now and now it does look Yeah. 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:12.960 And and interestingly, as we were doing this, we're we're, 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:14.960 you know, we're designing these players and we're you know, 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:17.560 just about to go into production with them, and we 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.840 noticed that the Ford Ranger Super Duty, so the little 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:25.000 Ranger and Super Duty comes out, was squared off wheel wells, 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:27.919 not like obs style, but it was just interesting. 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.560 That Ford maybe they recognized that that was the you know, 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:32.280 they had these round, real arches. 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:33.840 I don't know why they did it, but I was 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:36.000 just like, we were just talking about it in our 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:37.840 one of our meetings and we're like, hey, have you 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:38.320 seen this. 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:43.520 And Ranger Super Duty is a very cool concept. Yeah. 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:45.719 I haven't seen one in person or we've been around one, 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.520 but it does seem like a pretty cool, pretty cool 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:50.840 little truck. But anyway, so getting back to that, you know, 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:54.720 once you explain it to the folks, then then it's like, oh, okay, 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:55.199 we like that. 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:57.000 Yeah, I think it looks good. 0:19:57.040 --> 0:20:00.000 I mean, you know, like I think with most things 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:03.760 av if you kinda when you look at it, it 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:07.840 really does start to look oem. It's that cohesive package thing, right, 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.200 you know, if anybody's out there, it's like, oh, man, 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:13.119 I wish they made a super you know, a super 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:17.520 Duty raptor. Well this is it, you know, Yeah, is 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:20.080 that a super HD. Trucks are never going to be 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:21.840 go fast trucks right. 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:25.280 Well, in my opinion, go fast truck is never going 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.639 to have a stock frame. Yeah, I'm never gonna have 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:29.560 a vehicle frame. If you're really going to go fast, 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:31.920 you're not gonna deal with a frame. So yeah, all 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:34.320 the f one fifty, all the fifteen hundred trucks really 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:35.880 don't interest me personally at all. 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:37.919 It's kind of weird though, because when you guys have 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:44.120 a fifteen hundred version of the GM and Chevy trucks, 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:49.280 and it's if you kind of you know, if it 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:51.480 was like a design by committee thing, you'd think, oh, well, 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:53.520 this is the one that everybody's gonna want, Like this 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.399 is the volume truck. You don't I'm not saying you 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:59.520 don't see them, but you It's like enthusiasts tend to 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:02.879 go for kind of that, you know, that light duty truck, 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:06.760 the Colorado, the Ranger, the Tacoma, and then they make 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.960 the big jump to it like an HD truck. 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:12.960 Yeah, and you're probably looking at that with a Western 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:16.000 i'll call blinders on. You know, if you live back east, 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:18.440 the half ton truck actually makes some sense. 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:21.040 Yeah, it just it does, I like traditionally. 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:22.280 Yeah. 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:25.359 Yeah, it's more of a you know, it crosses that 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:27.399 line that you can use it as everyday car kind 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:29.639 of thing if you don't live out in the Western 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.280 United States where the heavy duty makes more sense. So 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:35.080 we always talk about that when we're designing things. Is 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:37.600 like having your two hundred mile blinders on, like you know, 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:39.560 what you do two hundred miles of where you live, 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:43.280 And so we're always designing, you know, with that in mind, 0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:45.160 trying to design around. 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:46.640 Those things for different folks. 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:50.760 So anyway, that's kind of where that all came from, 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:53.679 and that the wheel flares have a long story, but 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:55.800 it's kind of an interesting story. 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:58.840 But yeah, and there's a new real sense we're talking 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:03.000 real flares. There's a new wheel that's beadlock capable, specifically 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:05.200 for heavy duty. 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:09.359 So we have our first dual sport beadlock wheel. And 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:11.280 so for those of you don't know, we've been doing 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:12.840 this in jeep for a long time. But it's a 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:15.520 wheel that you can mount as a traditional wheel or 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:16.320 you can mount. 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:17.720 It as a badlock wheel. 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:20.400 And the nice thing about that is, you know, there's 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:25.240 several nice things from a consumer standpoint. One, If you 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:27.120 you know, let's say you don't want beadlocks, you don't 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:29.439 need badlocks, just mount as regular You always have that 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:31.639 option to move to a badlock if you need to 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:34.280 in the future. Ye, so you're not limited with you know, 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:37.560 I have to buy another set of wheels. Conversely, if 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:39.399 you're running a badlock and let's say you have a 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:41.600 problem somewhere and you need to get a tire switched, 0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:44.159 and you make it to a tire shop and they're like, 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:46.960 well we won't work on that. This way, they you 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:48.840 can just say, hey, mount it as a traditional wheel, 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:49.480 I'll drive home. 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:50.040 I'll deal with it. 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:50.720 Yeah. 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:54.080 So it you know, it gives you that failure mode. 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:55.560 Yeah, it's actually smart. 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:57.080 I never really thought of that. You've run into that 0:22:57.119 --> 0:22:59.280 where like I mean, okay, like with the earth Romer. 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:01.760 You know, right now, there's a lot of places they 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:05.120 see all the bolts and they're like, uh, yeah, no, 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:07.560 we're just not doing that. You know. It's actually the 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:09.679 same thing with my hutchinsense that I had on my 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:12.520 first JK. It was like, and that's a proper three 0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:18.879 piece block with the you know that that inside. People 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:21.399 wouldn't touch them. You know, it's really hard outside of 0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:22.520 a specialty. 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:23.199 Shop, it can be a problem. 0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:25.399 So this just gives our customers an option, you know, 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:27.520 if you're in the middle of Alaska or whatever. 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:30.000 You know, yeah, it just gives you that option. Hey, 0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:32.280 just not at regular and I'll deal with it later. 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:34.159 And are those going to be a is that just 0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:36.960 going to be for Ford applications because of the off 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:39.200 set the wheel patterns, well, patterns the. 0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:41.960 Same it is, but yeah, the through hub. 0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:43.760 There's a lot of differences with the RAM and the 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:47.159 Ford wheel, including offsets. But we will have a version 0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:50.159 for forward and RAM and two different colors and some 0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:52.959 different different rings. So you can get a block ring. 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:54.639 You can also just get a protection ring. A lot 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:57.000 of people are like, hey, I'm not going to run 0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:59.280 super low pressure, but I am going to go scratch 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:00.919 my wheel up. I'm to use it so you can 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:05.520 run this sacrificial beadlock or sorry, sacrificial protection ring in 0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:09.080 place of the beadlock if you want, just another nice option. 0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:11.000 So just because our customers a lot of options, and 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:13.240 this is the first time we've done a heavy duty wheel, 0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:17.520 mostly because of the testing that was required for the 0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:21.919 higher loads. So that wheel is through testing, and you know, 0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:24.439 we tested it with forty two inch tires because that 0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:25.720 makes a big difference. 0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:28.280 If you're testing, yeah, more leverage, you're kind of explaining that. 0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:30.240 Yeah, it's a lot more leverage, a lot more stress 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:31.760 on the wheel. We had to actually go up the 0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:36.359 bigger bolts and just yeah, do a lot of testing. 0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:39.680 So it's our first heavy duty beadlock capable wheel. 0:24:39.680 --> 0:24:41.959 It's pretty significant on its own, to be honest. 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:46.840 Yeah, they're eighteens because we're you know, finally we have 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:49.240 a BFG HD terrain tire. 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:51.879 Yeah, and there's the all Terrain forty now too that 0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:52.920 I'm super excited. 0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:55.520 They have an alterrain that uses the same carcass as 0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:59.440 the HD. It's just the the at pattern and yeah, gerrometer, 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:02.600 which is nice because you know, we're seeing forty five 0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:04.359 thousand miles out of the HD train. 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:07.520 The at will be a little bit less, but it 0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:09.280 is obviously better than. 0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:11.200 Snow and I and you get the snowflick rading, which 0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:13.320 is like you know, for a lot of Western states, 0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:15.520 if you're going to do a pass, it's chains or 0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:17.080 or you know, snowflick rating. 0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:20.480 So yeah, yeah, so nice, another nice tire option. And 0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:22.600 these are all f rated tires, which are actually the 0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:26.280 first tires that are really meant for nine ten thousand 0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:29.360 pound trucks with a thousand pound feet of torque. Yeah, 0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:31.679 because what was happening is you could put a different 0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:34.800 tire on there and it would have the load rating 0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:36.840 and everything would be okay, and you'd go and cook up, 0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:39.040 you know, a ten thousand pound trailer and you'd accelerate 0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:41.800 away like thinking nothing of it from the driver's seat, 0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:45.119 and those tires are just screaming literally getting you know, 0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:47.320 the rubber twisted off them in the rear, trying to 0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:50.160 accelerate twenty thousand pounds like it's nothing, which the engine 0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:52.919 will do, the powertrain will do, but the poor tires. 0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:55.040 Yeah, it just kind of kicked the problem down down 0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:55.560 on a chain. 0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:58.399 So now we actually have a tire that will withstand. 0:25:57.920 --> 0:26:00.199 That yeah, because that's the tire you're running on the 0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:01.000 truckhouse too. 0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:05.000 Truckhouse, yeah, Prospector Truckhouse and the new fpisode. 0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:07.960 Yeah. Yeah, I think that that's inevitable for me to 0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:11.240 try and upgrade to those those eighteens, like I have 0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:13.520 the seventeens. I think there's kind of something cool about 0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:16.160 like the massive sidewall, but it's really only an inch. 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:18.720 You know. Yeah, but. 0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:22.600 I I'd love to talk a little bit about the 0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:25.040 bumper because it, you know, the the new Fords are 0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:27.440 a little interesting. I mean, the headlights are massive on them, 0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:29.360 like it looks it looks right going down the road, 0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:31.199 and then you get up next to one and you 0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:34.240 realize these headlights seem like they're two feet tall. And 0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:38.199 that had to be like a pretty big challenge to 0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:42.000 just esthetically design that front bumper to make it look. 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:45.320 The bumper was. Yeah, it was an amazing exercise and packaging. 0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:48.840 Yeah, Like first and foremost, we have the eight s. 0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:53.399 So that's the automatic braking and it basically integrates a 0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:56.680 radar and that radar is taking pictures. 0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:58.359 And is that on the four Is that in the 0:26:58.400 --> 0:26:59.240 bumper on the Ford? 0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:01.919 It is on the it's in the bumpers, it's in 0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:02.320 the grill. 0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:07.960 Oh okay, okay, okay, mine's in the windshield, and there's like. 0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:10.960 Mass well, there's a whole other set of visual cameras 0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:13.240 up in the windshield on both the ford and the RAM. 0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:16.720 And what they're doing is they're taking both a quote 0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:18.919 unquote picture do you think of it as a picture 0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:20.600 with the radar, and they're taking a picture with. 0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:24.159 The visual cameras. They're overlaying those pictures so that they 0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:27.760 can really identify things because some things are very visible 0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:31.520 with radar, some things are very visible with the photographic cameras. 0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:35.000 So they're overlaying that, meshing it all together to make decisions. 0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:38.360 Because this then has the blue crews I believe right 0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:38.840 on these. 0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:40.880 I don't know about that. 0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:43.159 I think that's an option on the on the on 0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:46.959 the super duties, which would be like, you know, absolutely 0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:47.960 crazy to have a. 0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:50.000 I'm not sure if that is on the super duty, 0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:53.240 but to be honest, I wouldn't need to check. 0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:56.480 I'm not there's so many options on the trucks. 0:27:56.520 --> 0:27:58.719 There's so many options, especially when you're looking at two 0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:01.800 fifty through five fifty and all the different levels. So 0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:04.760 I'm not a complete expert in every little package option currently, 0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:08.879 Like I do know the RAM pretty well, but you know, 0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:11.960 going back to the bumper, we start with the ad 0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:14.359 as and the radar. We start with all the ultrasonic 0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:17.560 park sensors, and then we start looking at okay, you know, 0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:20.800 here's our cooling requirements. We have a twenty that we 0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:22.600 want to do up to a twenty thousand pound winch 0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:25.440 because this is going up to five fifties. Yeah, We've 0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:28.960 got our nodular iron toe hooks, you know, so we 0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:32.080 had their you know, test those again for up to 0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:34.200 thirty two thousand pounds now, and. 0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:36.080 That is that because that's then the gross can bind 0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:38.800 vehicle weight that you're testing to, right. 0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:40.840 And then we're looking at that and we're looking at 0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:42.760 the you know, you can think of a cone with 0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:45.600 the radar with the radar seeds at the very very 0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:49.000 wide angle cone and then we're looking at the angles 0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:50.880 that we have to pull from and do all our 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:53.080 tests for our poll. And then we have to look 0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:55.040 at the cones for the radar sensors and make sure 0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:56.880 the radars or I'm sorry, I have the radar, but 0:28:56.920 --> 0:29:00.520 the ultrasonic sensors aren't seeing let's say the toehooks, so 0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:02.840 we're not getting false positives with all that stuff. So 0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:05.280 trying to put all this stuff into place, and then 0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:07.640 the fog lamps and then trying to protect for the 0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:11.200 head lamps and trying to protect for the frame twists 0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:13.160 so that our bumper is not hitting the head lambs 0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:16.360 that full frame twist and all these different parameters, I 0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:19.360 mean just one other. And then we come in and 0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:21.560 we kind of connect the dots. We get a package 0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:23.440 that works. We have to move the winch, move this 0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:26.320 move that you know, and all these sensors have to 0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:30.240 be related to one another in certain areas. It becomes 0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:35.000 very very very complex, like calculus equation that we're trying 0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:36.920 to solve, you know, make this optimal solution. 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:39.920 And we we we finally. 0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:42.680 Got it done, and then we kind of connect the 0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:44.480 dots and then we go through aesthetically and we have 0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:48.640 a very talented team of car designers that we go through, 0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:52.280 and I mean we really nitpick every single radius and 0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:55.520 bone line and trying to make everything line up with 0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:57.720 the truck to make it look like it's an OEM 0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:00.800 plus type truck. Yeah, and and you know, now we 0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:03.080 have to go through and go through the manufacturing like, 0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:04.240 can't we make that radius? 0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:05.520 You know? Can this stamping die? 0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:05.840 Yeah? 0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:07.800 There's what we want to do is what you can do? 0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:09.880 Right? Do we have the tonnage to do that? 0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:10.200 This? 0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:11.160 That the other thing. 0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:13.800 One of the cool things about fort you'll notice some 0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:17.280 little skid plates out on the outer corners. That's a 0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:19.040 new thing that we'll be carrying through to all of 0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:21.440 our bumpers because we noticed that, like let's say a 0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:24.959 moab where somebody's recreational four wheeling, we were seeing those 0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:29.280 bottom corners getting scratched up quite a bit on the 0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:31.920 far outside. So we started putting these wear bars in. 0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:37.400 So it's ten millimeter thick steel and it has this wear. 0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:39.400 Yeah, get your little off camera, that's the first thing 0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:40.200 that's gonna touch. 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:40.800 Yeah. 0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:43.240 And so this way it kind of protects the bumper, 0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:46.880 it strengthens the bumper, it's lightweight, and it's replaceable. And 0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:50.320 we started actually doing that on the Colorado mid size 0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:53.479 because we had side blind zone sensors that we had 0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:55.360 the package for and we just didn't have enough room 0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:57.880 for a true rock rail on the rear bumper, so 0:30:57.920 --> 0:30:59.640 we started just doing these flat plates. 0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:02.280 Yeah, with plastic covers in that one. 0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:04.680 Now I'm where you would take the plastic cover off 0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:07.960 if a wheeling put the plastic cover back on. On these 0:31:08.000 --> 0:31:09.760 heavy duty bumpers, it's just the steel. 0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:11.360 But it's it's nice. 0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:14.640 Because it's, yeah, it's going to take a lot of abuse. 0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:17.880 I'm always so impressed with AEV and that's why, you know, 0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:19.560 I vote with my own money, and that's why I 0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:23.280 buy this stuff. Is everything is just considered. Like I've 0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:25.960 been through so many trucks, Like my my wife is 0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:28.480 at the point where she's just like, just buy the AEV. 0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:31.200 I don't know why you're messing around, Like I'm tired of, 0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:34.480 like you trying to find a suspension a shock that 0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:37.240 works with this spring and then it rides like crap, 0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:38.959 and then you put a bumper on it and then 0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:40.800 it's not really set up for the eight ass or 0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:44.000 the parking sensors. And it's really like just having this 0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:46.920 package because a lot of people are doing. 0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:49.480 This stuff anyways. You know, I think it's cool. 0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:53.240 That you know you're gonna have these parts available independently 0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:55.520 of doing you know, as you have with the PXL 0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:56.680 and all your other stuff. 0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:57.640 Those guys that. 0:31:57.640 --> 0:32:00.000 Want to you know, as money allows kind of guys, girls, 0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:02.200 I want to upgrade. We would start with the bumper 0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:04.720 or start with the suspension and go from there. But 0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:06.640 it's nice that you can kind of stick to a 0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:10.320 cohesive system that's actually meant to work together. 0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:14.920 Well, you know, as you just identified a lot of 0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:17.920 our customers, it's not their first vehicle. By the third, 0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:22.200 they've tried to build two. Yeah, the third one they're like, you. 0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:23.480 Know what, I just want to build. 0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:25.760 Like like a lot of our heavy duty customers, they 0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:28.040 have a use in mind. So whether it's putting a 0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:30.400 camper in it, whether it's towing in this case, now 0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:34.520 we're getting into a lot of industrial commercial customers. Like 0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:37.840 even our new brush guard for the FXL has spots 0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:38.960 for emergency. 0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:40.720 So you are going to do a brush guard for this. 0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:43.320 We have a brush guard yep, and it's got it's 0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:46.360 like it said for our for more commercial customers, it's 0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:49.720 even got spots for industry or for emergency lighting. 0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:51.040 Oh that's kind of cool. 0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:54.120 So all that stuff's built in taken into consideration for 0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:56.480 like brush trucks and things like that. Yeah, But then 0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:58.640 you know, if we look at the overline market, a 0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:00.280 lot of people are like, you know, I'm put a 0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:02.080 camper in it, whether it's a small camper or a 0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:02.719 big camper. 0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:05.520 Yeah, they want to just kind of mess around with 0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:06.440 the back stuff and not. 0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:09.520 So much the hard vehicle engineering they want to play with, 0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:11.280 like Okay, I'm gonna put a diesel heater in it, 0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:12.960 and I'm gonna do this, and I'm gonna put air 0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:15.960 conditioning in it or suit it up for their needs. 0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:18.880 Right, But it's less it seems like, even though this 0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:22.240 is a hobbyist kind of. 0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:28.040 Demographic, Yeah, they're they're switching more to like I want 0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:30.080 to build the back of the truck out the way 0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:32.080 I want it, not so much the rest of the truck. 0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:33.360 I just wanted that part to work. 0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:35.200 Yeah, I mean a lot of this stuff, you know, 0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:37.920 sitting here and over on XPOS, it really has become 0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:42.360 about the campers, you know, the living the little home 0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:45.240 on wheels that people are trying to build a little sailboat. 0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.200 Yeah, and it's it's a lot more affordable to do 0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:50.080 than you know, looking at one of these the big, 0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:52.800 big expedition campers, like what we're sitting in there. You know, 0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:55.200 the guys we work with at truck house or you 0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:57.760 know bliss. I mean there's that stuff, and then there's 0:33:57.800 --> 0:34:00.600 a lot of stuff that's way more approachable for sure, 0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:01.920 and you can do it yourself. 0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:03.480 As a hobbyist and you know, really have some fun 0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:03.800 with it. 0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:08.279 Yeah. I feel there are a lot of people, how 0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:12.239 do you say it, They don't really maybe they just 0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:15.800 don't know how good their vehicle can be in the aftermarket, 0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:18.959 Like there's kind of this, Oh it's squeaking, that's fine, 0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:20.960 it's just this part. I get an extra half inch 0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:23.839 wheel travel from that upper control arm or whatever. Like 0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:27.000 you know. Again, it's one of the things I appreciate 0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:29.120 of AV Like it just works like it's stock, but 0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:30.480 it's better, you know. 0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:32.120 Yeah, And I'll be honest. 0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:34.280 You know, we've been doing this a long long time, 0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:38.799 but since we started working so closely with Chevy, yeah, 0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:42.319 that's really opened our eyes to you know, well, we 0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:44.719 always did OEM things, like we've done OEM stuff with 0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:48.080 Jeep and RAM and we know how all the cooling systems. 0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:49.880 You always approach it with like that mindset. 0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:51.880 Yeah, but when we really went through it with GM 0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:54.640 and we're really looking at you know, everything to go 0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:57.480 into the plant, like with ergonomics and you know, all 0:34:57.560 --> 0:34:58.640 the things that you never think of. 0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:00.560 That you're saying something like you have x amount of 0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:02.600 time to install a bumper, and then that has to 0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:04.920 factor into how it's designed, like oh. 0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:08.640 Yeah, or sequencing robots. You know, these bumpers go on sequencing. 0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:09.840 Robots and they all go out in the room of 0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:11.840 twenty thousand square feet and they all get in line. 0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:14.920 So the guy you know putting the bumpers on, he 0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:17.200 just turns around, grabs next bumper, puts it in the line, 0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:19.920 you know, red bumper, blue bumper, av bumper, crumbumb. 0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:22.319 Yeah, he just turns around, grabs it. He doesn't care. 0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:25.040 He's not picking one out, he's just putting it on. Right, 0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:29.719 it's all factored in with by computers. But just going 0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:32.000 through all that and the ergonomics and how you know, 0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:34.520 putting a bumper on in twenty six seconds, it's really 0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:38.960 helped us, you know, even move to even another level 0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:41.719 above yeah, because now we start to look at that 0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:42.560 with all of our. 0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:46.200 Products, not a week goes by that someone doesn't reach 0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:49.960 out to ask how they can help support the podcast. 0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:55.920 We are supported entirely by Overland Journal, the magazine, so 0:35:56.640 --> 0:35:59.680 When you become a subscriber to the Overland Journal print magazine, 0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:02.560 you get the beautiful book that comes in five times 0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:05.560 a year. 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Was like that was. 0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:27.800 Talking about that's actually on a wheel. 0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:29.240 Yeah, Oh that's in a wheel. 0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:30.240 Bumpers are the same. 0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:32.279 Way too, right, I mean you've got yeah, you might 0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:35.400 have you know, in frontal area, you'll have a certain 0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:38.520 spec on how many square millimeters of cooling, so. 0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:40.680 If you I'd never thought about that on wheels though, Sorry, 0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:42.719 I blow my mind like that. The bumper thing is 0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:45.040 self explanatory in a way. You're like, oh, it needs 0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:48.120 so much airflow. But wheel cooling you. 0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:51.279 Just yeah, yeah, wheel cooling breake cooling. 0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:55.120 Even even like I mean, we have pages of car 0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:58.359 wash standards on wheels, right, so that you know, and 0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:00.960 you've noticed our wheels don't look like they look more 0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:02.680 like an OEM wheel than an aftermarket wheel. 0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:03.160 A lot of that. 0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:06.120 So it's easy to clean. Car washings can clean it. 0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:08.040 You can get in there with your hands. 0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:11.560 Yeah, the car washing when it goes through the whatever. 0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:15.120 Yeah, coatings and the way coatings stick to wheels, I 0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:17.799 mean all that stuff. I mean, you just don't think 0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:20.239 of the market doesn't really consider it. 0:38:21.840 --> 0:38:21.960 Man. 0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:24.080 I never thought about the wheel thing because you know, 0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:26.399 you see some of these you see some of these 0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:30.480 aftermarket wheels, you know, and they have Okay, I'm just saying, 0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:32.200 I hate these black rhino wheels. 0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:34.520 They look like the wheels on my Earth Rummer. 0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:37.439 But they're just like a series of you know, they're 0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:41.440 solid with a series of Chinese pot metal fake bolts 0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:43.560 on them. And you're like, well, when you when you 0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:45.359 think of it from that way, it's like, well, there's 0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:51.359 no cooling there. But most people wouldn't even my mouth shut, well, 0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:55.560 I could say, you don't have to. So you've also 0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:58.040 done a rear bumper for this, and it's kind of 0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:03.160 carrying that bent to be design with the molded end 0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:07.160 caps that are above it. It's definitely some some continuity there. 0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:07.880 It's funny. 0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:10.000 I mean, we worry about like the rear corner is 0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:12.120 probably the easiest place on a one ton truck to 0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:14.840 damage if you're actually gonna use it off road, but 0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:17.560 it also we have we think about things like, Okay, 0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:20.640 somebody's gonna jump in this. They're gonna forget their trailers attached, 0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:24.400 and they're gonna jackknife their hitch, their or their jack 0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:25.280 into the bumper. 0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:28.640 Yeah, it happens. Yeah right, I can't say it's ever 0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:29.960 happened to me, but it's happened. 0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:32.480 You see a lot of factory bumpers with a nice 0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:35.560 crease in them, So we try and think about that. 0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:38.640 We try and place the toe hooks there, integrate real 0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:41.279 toe hooks into these big trucks. I shouldn't say hooks, 0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:44.960 but recovery points their nodular iron just like the factory 0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:48.439 or just like our front ones. This on the Ford 0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:52.280 bumper ties into the hitch. It's a very very stout setup, 0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:55.920 and we try to make it modular so if you 0:39:56.000 --> 0:40:00.160 do run, you know, a excavator trailer into it, and 0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:02.480 we don't want it to bend the frame, we'd rather 0:40:02.600 --> 0:40:04.439 than the bumper. But we make it so you don't 0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:06.640 have to replace the whole thing and just replace one 0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:07.319 section of it. 0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:10.560 Yeah, because that's a good point, Like it's probably relatively 0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:13.080 easy to build something that's just you know, hell for stout, 0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:16.480 like not going to move, but then it's gonna been 0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:18.560 the next thing online, which is the frame of the frame. 0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:23.280 Don't want to mess up. 0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:27.080 Right, Yeah, we want to balance that protection so by 0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:28.719 tying it into the hedge. You know, if you get 0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:32.560 rear ended in Tijuana, it's not going to be a 0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:34.840 problem for you. Yeah, you know, So we want to 0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:39.400 balance the hat with protecting the corners and then you know, 0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:43.000 not destroying the trout if you yeah, you know, if 0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:46.120 you were unfortunate enough to check if your trailer into it. 0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:50.320 So what else in the content of the FXL packages. 0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:54.439 There is obviously the front, rear bumpers, the wheels. 0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:58.280 Yeah, so we'll be working on some more suspension upgrades. 0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:00.880 Like I said, we're getting in the the five fifty, 0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:03.160 so four to fifty five fifty, which is actually a 0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:04.120 wider front flare. 0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:05.600 Oh interesting. 0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:08.080 Yeah, we'll have our own super single because. 0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:10.239 Before, like on the on the rams, you had like 0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:12.640 your prospector flair and then you had like a little 0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:14.080 add flair. 0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:17.640 Yeah, it wasn't ideal, and so on RAM we'll be 0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:20.200 making a wider front flare. Also, there's enough demand picking 0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:21.760 up for these fifty five hundred. 0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:24.440 Trucks yeah, a lot of these expedition trucks and super 0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:26.880 single conversions and all of that kind of st Yeah. 0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:28.400 So we'll be doing a wider front flair. We do 0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:31.840 have the brush guard coming. We've got the super single wheels, 0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:33.080 which are twenty inch wheel. 0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:34.880 Oh you're gonna do a super single. 0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:37.200 We are doing a super single. It's kind of unique 0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:40.719 to the market. It's not a deadlock like what's on 0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:43.799 this truck, but it's it's just a you know, it's 0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:47.319 a super single wheel. It's a forged wheel and it's 0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:49.799 set up. One of the interesting things about it is 0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:53.840 in the commercial truck world, you know, you have beds 0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:57.279 and utility boxes and equipment that's either set up for 0:41:57.320 --> 0:42:00.480 single rear wheels or dual rear wheels, and this wheel 0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:02.399 will be you can run it in one of two 0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:06.480 different positions for like to match it up with a 0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:11.320 single rear wheel bed or box rear wheel better box. 0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:13.840 We can't wait to see that. So that'll be nice. 0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:16.960 Like I mentioned, the brush guard does have emergency lighting 0:42:17.000 --> 0:42:19.000 for those brush truck, ambulance. 0:42:18.520 --> 0:42:20.000 Toe truck type applications. 0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:23.040 And then we'll be doing you know, we have a 0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:25.440 bunch of products schedule but those are the ones that 0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:27.399 will be out for it. 0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:31.280 Snorkle, good question. So I would love to do a snorkel. 0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:36.200 We have not given up on a snorkel, and we've 0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:39.319 looked at it a lot. It's really hard to get 0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:42.880 the snorkel to package on the Ford. There's just no 0:42:43.000 --> 0:42:45.239 way through what we call the fees them, which is 0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:49.080 the front end structural module. It's a series of tubes 0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:53.480 that kind of support the fenders, headlamps, the grill, radiator, 0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:56.719 the battery. It's these tubes that come off the front 0:42:56.719 --> 0:42:59.440 of the truck and it's actually they're steel, unlike the 0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:02.880 rest of the try which is aluminum. And the problem is, 0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:05.400 you know, there are some aftermarket companies just cut a 0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:08.239 hole through it with the wholesale and they're done. Yeah, 0:43:08.320 --> 0:43:11.080 but when you have batteries at leigh seventy five pounds 0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:13.920 and you're bouncing down the road, you can't just go 0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:14.480 and do that. 0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:16.160 Especially you know, it's also. 0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:19.080 Your main crash structure, and so you're you know, we're 0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:22.520 talking crash with an aluminum body. To take out that 0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:25.040 steel structure, it's the only steel structure in the body. 0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:28.400 To take that out by putting a five or six 0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:29.080 inch hole through. 0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:31.560 It just is a really good idea. 0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:33.439 And then the way they've done all their wiring, it's 0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:37.439 very complex. So I'm not saying we're giving up. We're 0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:38.960 going to continue. 0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:40.359 Working, but it's going to be a challenge, and it's 0:43:40.360 --> 0:43:40.800 a challenge. 0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:44.000 We figured out a few ways to get through and 0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:46.560 then it's kind of it ends up being esthetically challenging. 0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:49.719 So we're working on it. I can't say that it 0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:51.760 will happen with one hundred because there's. 0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:54.319 So much going on with that Ford sixty seven. There's 0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:58.200 two cooline systems. Yeah, I mean you if you ever 0:43:58.239 --> 0:44:00.759 want to get stressed out for an inch to work on, 0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:03.680 look at the Ford, like, you know, maybe that's one area. 0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:06.799 I like the rams It's like, oh turbo, Yeah, there 0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:07.080 it is. 0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:07.680 I can see it. 0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:09.400 I could replace it, you know, if this is a 0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:11.480 vehicle you had for a long time. I mean the 0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:14.000 Ford stuff's great, like it's it's it's pretty really it's 0:44:14.040 --> 0:44:14.560 it's very real. 0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:17.440 I'll say it's highly optimized. Yeah, the best way I 0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:22.120 described the engine bay of the Ford. But it's challenging, 0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:25.400 especially from the snorkel standpoint. So we'll work on it. 0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:28.640 We may have some other options, but for now we 0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:29.560 don't have a snorkel. 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:33.920 Well, how are people going to know him an over 0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:35.640 then or shucks? 0:44:36.239 --> 0:44:39.440 Yeah, there's those Matt track. Yeah. 0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:43.719 And a special thanks to Hankook Tire for supporting this 0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:49.480 week's podcast. With Summer Underway, head over to Expeditionportal dot 0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:54.279 com for Jeep Beach Vibe inspiration. Our team spent the 0:44:54.320 --> 0:44:58.480 weekend with Handcooke Dinapro Tire at this year's twenty twenty 0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:02.200 six Jeep Beachweak in Daytona, Florida and took a look 0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:06.360 at their Wrangler three ninety two. Look for Jeep Beach 0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:11.160 twenty twenty six when you go to Expedition Portal dot com. 0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:12.920 So what else is going on with this thing and 0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:15.680 anything any anything else you're trying to kind of develop 0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:16.760 to bring to market. 0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:20.880 On the forward platform, we'll have several different ways to 0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:23.359 carry a tire carrier or to carry the spare tire, 0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:27.120 so we'll probably have three different spare tire carriers for it. 0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:29.320 Okay, so well, but I know you've said before like 0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:31.440 they're really hard to engineer properly. 0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:34.120 It's one of the hardest things to do in this 0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:37.640 world of you know, it's a moving part. Anything moving 0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:41.520 is difficult, and then anything canily for and hanging off 0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:43.920 of that, you know, five feet five six feet bet 0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:46.840 on the rear wheels, which is your pivot point, is 0:45:46.920 --> 0:45:47.600 really challenging. 0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:49.680 I remember, like one of the things you kind of 0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:51.239 taught me or showed me over the years is like 0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:53.320 you just like just a little bit of light pressure 0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:54.960 on a lot of these things. You just keep doing it, 0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:56.160 and you keep doing it, and you keep doing it, 0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:58.399 and all of a sudden, the trucks the truck's moving, 0:45:58.440 --> 0:45:59.880 and you got to think, that's it. 0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:01.640 If you're dealing with your finger, what's that happen? 0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:03.480 What's what's happening with all that weight going down the 0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:07.120 road and that steal fatigues the bearing, fatigues the bearing worth. 0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:10.480 You know, the bearing should probably be fine, but everything that's. 0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:14.240 Attached to Yeah, you'll find out going out to Death Valley, 0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:17.200 you know, on one of those forty mile washboards. Yeah, 0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:20.680 it doesn't really work that well. So we do have 0:46:20.719 --> 0:46:23.840 a good solution. It'll be a really really unique I 0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:25.640 think the overlanding community. 0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:26.319 Will love what we're doing. 0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:30.160 Yeah, it's it's gonna be a really nice system and 0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:30.799 we've got it. 0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:32.960 Yeah, there's a lot of challenges. 0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:34.919 With that, like you know, snow and ice pack and 0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:37.919 you know, how is this How are your detense gonna work? 0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:39.839 And you know you've got a two hundred bound tire 0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:41.440 if you open it on a hill or you're gonna. 0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:43.160 Get crushed you know your wife, Yeah, get crushed. 0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:47.040 So we did some really cool things with controlling that 0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:49.080 tire motion, which is making. 0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:50.680 Sure that's something you don't really think of, like you see, 0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:53.080 like I'm looking at a forerunner right now that's got 0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:55.279 a rear bumper on it, and I'm looking at the 0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:57.640 arms like four or seven feet long, and if you're 0:46:57.680 --> 0:46:59.880 on a hill, like, oh yeah, that could catch any 0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:00.600 the off. 0:47:00.440 --> 0:47:02.640 Guard, right, And these tires are big and heavy and yeah, 0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:04.879 so we don't want you to you know, it can't 0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:07.400 be hard to open. You can't you know, can't be 0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:11.319 a runaway. You know, these things are massive. So yeah, 0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:14.680 we developed some really neat things that you know, aren't 0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:17.319 affected by altitude, aren't affected by mud and snow and 0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:19.759 ice and all the things that actually you know, like 0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:22.400 you see people try to put gas struts on these things, 0:47:22.400 --> 0:47:26.239 and you know, somehow control the motion with that you know, 0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:28.319 you go up to altitude and it doesn't work very well, 0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:30.120 or it fails you at the worst time, or it 0:47:30.120 --> 0:47:31.080 doesn't like mad chlora. 0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:33.480 Yeah, I never thought about that with altitude, with those 0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:35.040 gas threats, but yeah. 0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:38.200 Yeah, they become less effective. Right, So anyway, we do. 0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:40.719 Yeah, we've done a lot of cool things and that 0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:43.600 that's a new product. We do have like some new 0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:49.080 Rocker guards coming from RAM that will be pretty interesting. Yeah, 0:47:49.080 --> 0:47:50.640 we have a lot of new products coming out. So 0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:53.200 if anybody you know it's looking for new stuff, we 0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:55.680 have some really cool Wrangler stuff coming. 0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:59.040 So you guys did the four inch dual sportlift for JL. 0:47:59.200 --> 0:48:01.719 We just did a foreign sit for for We do 0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:05.000 have some folks, you know, enough of our clientele is 0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:07.520 into you know, out West and into pretty heavy rock 0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:09.680 crowlling where they were looking for thirty nine. So we 0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:12.200 do have a four inch lift now. And we have 0:48:12.280 --> 0:48:14.920 some really cool interior storage stuff coming, which is something 0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:17.640 I've always shied away from because I think there's some 0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:19.200 pretty good solutions on the market. 0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:21.920 Yeah, but we came out or were. 0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:25.600 Coming out with a really cool new interior storage flat 0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:26.440 floor system. 0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:29.759 Cool, and I'll leave it at that. For now. It's 0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:31.480 a really unique system because. 0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:36.560 The pack, which is like the extended UH window, arches 0:48:36.600 --> 0:48:38.440 on the back storage. 0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:41.200 Storage on the side, but this is like a floor system. 0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:43.520 Yeah, I love pair of nicely with that. 0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:47.640 Yeah, oh yeah, it'll be It's I've always shied away 0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:49.279 just because I thought there's a lot of people doing 0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:50.439 a decent enough job. 0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:51.800 But then we figured out something. 0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:53.879 Really to make it really convenient, to make your life 0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:57.960 really easy, yeah, and solve a lot of problems all 0:48:58.000 --> 0:49:01.040 with one thing. So we we've been working on that 0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:03.560 for six eight months now. 0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:04.880 That's awesome. 0:49:05.200 --> 0:49:07.880 That's awesome. Well, I always learn something every time you 0:49:07.920 --> 0:49:09.839 come on the podcast. I always have people that come 0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:12.080 up to me and say, I love the ones with Dave. 0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:14.600 I always learn stuff. So thanks for taking the time 0:49:14.640 --> 0:49:16.560 to you know, to do this and geek out and 0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:21.560 the stuff. So June, parts will be available for start 0:49:21.640 --> 0:49:22.520 tickling effl. 0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:24.719 They'll start trickling out and then. 0:49:24.640 --> 0:49:28.040 If somebody wants one of these right now, yeah, how 0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:28.680 do they get one? 0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:30.400 Right? We are taking pre orders. 0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:35.360 We're prioritizing customers, individual customers over dealers. So if you 0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:39.960 want one, contact our sales team, talk to them. They 0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:44.160 won't be delivered and probably until let's say September, October, okay, 0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:49.200 somewhere in there. But yeah, we're starting to trickle out 0:49:49.200 --> 0:49:49.759 parts now. 0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:53.120 Cool. Well, I'm super excited for it. I can't wait 0:49:53.160 --> 0:49:55.040 to spend more time with it. I think that the 0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:58.040 Ford guys will be really stoked. I know how much 0:49:58.040 --> 0:50:00.640 I like my prospect or excels. To see this on 0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:04.719 the forward is really great, So thanks, thank you very much. 0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:05.880 H