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Speaker 2: This is another episode of the Beatdown Podcast, Week eight addition,

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Speaker 2: I'm your host senior writer for the Commanders, Zach Selby,

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Speaker 2: And let's just go ahead and rip the band aid off, right.

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Speaker 2: Commander's lost to the Dallas Cowboys forty four to twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Not a great showing defensively, offensively, tough. Look there, they

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Speaker 2: had a five point deficit there, look like they could

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Speaker 2: possibly come back there. But then the Cowboys go off

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Speaker 2: and they score that touchdout the end of the first

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Speaker 2: half and they have to pick six and the Jaden

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Speaker 2: fumble with Jaden getting a hamstring injury that maybe we'll

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Speaker 2: keep him out against the Chiefs. We'll see, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's it was definitely not a good showing. And as

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Speaker 2: dan Quinton put it in his presser, there, of course,

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Speaker 2: and they need to get back to this, to the

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Speaker 2: winning ways after losing two straight, and they will be

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Speaker 2: trying to do that by going up against the Kansas

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Speaker 2: City Chiefs on money no football, who are starting to

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Speaker 2: look like themselves. And the Chiefs don't need introduction in

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Speaker 2: at this point, right, They're the Chiefs. It's Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 2: I mean with me, it would mean a lot just

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Speaker 2: even if they weren't, you know, losing back to back,

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Speaker 2: it would meet a lot for them to pull out

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Speaker 2: a statement winning against the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: And how are they going to do that?

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Speaker 2: Well, that is what we will be disgusting today.

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Speaker 1: We have two new hosts.

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Speaker 2: We have George Wallace from the from WTOP. He's the

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Speaker 2: sports director there. George, how you doing, man?

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Speaker 1: I'm good, Zach, thanks for having me absolutely.

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Speaker 2: And we also have Jake BROHMP I hate the sports

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Speaker 2: reporter anchor from DCUs.

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Speaker 1: Now, how you doing, Jake?

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Speaker 3: Zach for having me?

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Speaker 1: All right? Everywhere? He knows the spiel. Another deal here.

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Speaker 2: We'll be asking questions, be giving out points to to

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Speaker 2: these guys. I'll be announcing a winner at the end

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Speaker 2: of all of this because that is what I do

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Speaker 2: as the host.

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Speaker 1: But you guys, to.

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Speaker 2: People more focused on what these two guys have to

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Speaker 2: say about their opinions on the team, about the game

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Speaker 2: and about the matchup. They're gonna provide the insight here.

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Speaker 2: And with all that, let's go ahead and jump into it.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna go with a rapid fire style here. And

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Speaker 2: the question I think everyone has to ask the start

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Speaker 2: off with is regarding Doran Tomstrong, who suffered a season

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Speaker 2: in the injury during the Cowboys game, left early and

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Speaker 2: Bank Cuiday is gonna knock him out for the rest

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Speaker 2: of the year.

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Speaker 1: Really tough, really tough loss for the.

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Speaker 2: Commander's defense considering the thought that he is leading their

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Speaker 2: team to the team in sex he's lead. I think

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Speaker 2: So they're gonna have to find a way to put

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Speaker 2: off with you here in simple question, how do they

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Speaker 2: put pressure on Patrick Mahomes without Dorrin's Armstrong in their

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Speaker 3: Yes, Zach, I mean they're gonna have to get creative.

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Speaker 4: I think they're down a lot of guys on that

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Speaker 4: Like you mentioned, they're gonna have to get a little

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Speaker 4: And I think when you're going up against the Chiefs

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Speaker 2: You know, it's really frustrating to see Mahomes play sometimes

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's tough. And Dan Quinn yesterday said that was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know both of you guys have mentioned

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's the thing. It's funny because we're talking

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Speaker 2: He definitely is the emotional leader on this defense in

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Speaker 2: Still has that been that pass rushability, But you mentioned

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Speaker 2: I think I think it's very clear at this point

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Speaker 3: But I'm going to go Exavier Worthy.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna have to account for him. So Jake, you

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Speaker 2: How you feel about taking the victory?

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Speaker 3: It was we fun.

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Speaker 4: I'll say that with Georgia because it's really good.

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Speaker 3: I'm feeling great. I'm on cloud nine, Zach.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's a big dub for me starting this

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Speaker 4: But I'm feeling good going this week knowing that it's

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Speaker 3: Now, I guess there you go.

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Speaker 1: Congrats Jake, and hopefully we're all riding on Clyde now.

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Speaker 2: I hope we can get the bad taste out of

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Speaker 2: And look, yes, I know it's things are not Grade

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Speaker 2: playoffs hopefully fingers crossed. But George, Jake, thank you so

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 2: Like Jake said, really hard fought battle here, And for

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