1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: This is that Ben and Nashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,279 Speaker 1: Bachelor Countdown. 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 2: Hello, everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 3: Today we are continuing our series the Countdown to Grant 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 3: season with a whole bunch of bachelors. Today we have 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 3: Clayton Eckert. Clayton is well known for his season that 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 3: premiered on January third, twenty twenty. 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: Two, and for saying I love you to three women. 9 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: Somebody's gotta tap me somebody. 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, somebody's got to make Ben feel better. 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome, thank you? 12 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: Now for women? 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: How about that for a wild for be a wild accomplishment? 14 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 4: Five? You just just go for a record out a 15 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 4: lot of can't be beaten? 16 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 3: Could you imagine that there is possibly like a bachelor 17 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 3: who had never seen the show and then didn't know 18 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 3: that that was like a faux pa and he did 19 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 3: end up saying I love you to like. 20 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:07,919 Speaker 1: Every drop and love bombs everywhere. Yeah, it seems healthy, right, Hey, Clayton, 21 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: I want to start out with something that's going to 22 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: be boring to every listener, so I'm not gonna spend 23 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: a lot of time on it. I think I saw 24 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: an Instagram video was that your golf swing like last week, I. 25 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 4: Go, oh, no, no, no, that was my youngest brothers, 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 4: but my swings no better. I couldn't put myself on 27 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 4: video because I actually twisted my ankle dancing next to 28 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 4: the golf court or golf cart, so I couldn't. I 29 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 4: couldn't end up playing golf the rest of the day. 30 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 4: So that's why that was not me. But it runs 31 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 4: in the family. We're all bad golfers. 32 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: Goodness, man, that was wild. They like hurt like he took. 33 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: He took about three three feet of dirt behind the 34 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: ball like it. You have to be a strong boy 35 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: to even make contact with the ball at that point. 36 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll give him credit. I mean he's strong, but 37 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 4: he also is cutting grass all day on the court. 38 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 4: Of course you can. I don't play golf, it's a 39 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 4: golf course. 40 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: Explain. 41 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 3: That is how Ben warms you up for the questions 42 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 3: to come, you know, because we have we got juicy 43 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 3: stuff to ask you about each stuff you're probably maybe 44 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 3: tired of talking about. 45 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: But man too, were talking to juicy not to ask. 46 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 3: Okay, so let's start out by talking about your paternity 47 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 3: test and all of that drama that went down over. 48 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: Was it the course of almost two years? 49 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 4: Two years? Yeah, the anniversary of it. Yeah, it's been 50 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 4: a pain in the you know what. But we're on 51 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 4: the right track now. She's getting looked at by the 52 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 4: County Attorney for prosecution and so hopefully there's an end 53 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 4: in sight. But the court is a little slow and 54 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 4: it's procedures, which is honestly fine. They're doing the research. 55 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 4: But yeah, that was now what I anticipated coming off 56 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 4: TV and having to deal with Certainly, I've learned a 57 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 4: lot about being more protective of my energy and trying 58 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 4: to be just just stay out of the drama. But 59 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 4: somehow the drama finds me a lot. 60 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 3: Well, Clayton, can you give a quick little recap of 61 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 3: what happened to you with this woman and then what 62 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: the current situation that you're waiting on is. 63 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I had been spent a night with this woman, 64 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 4: although there was no sexual intercourse. This woman then wanted 65 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 4: to date me. I said, no, that's not going to happen. 66 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 4: She then did not take that well, ended up eleven 67 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 4: days later saying she was pregnant. First it was one child, 68 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 4: then it became twins. Then she wouldn't do any of 69 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 4: the tests, so I couldn't prove that she wasn't pregnant 70 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 4: at all. Finally, she went public to try to defame me. 71 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 4: Her name then got out there. I then decided to 72 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 4: push everything online to hold her accountable since she wouldn't 73 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 4: She wasn't giving me anything behind the scenes, so I 74 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 4: put it online to hold her accountable. Upon her releasing 75 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 4: it to the public, that's when her name got out there, 76 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 4: and then I started getting messages from people saying that 77 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 4: I wasn't the only man that she had done this too. 78 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,119 Speaker 4: Now we're at four or five other men that she's 79 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 4: done this in the past, two as far back as 80 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. We're finding it might be even earlier than that. 81 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 4: So she is a professional con woman. Not only that, 82 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 4: her family's involved in it, so they're all complicit in 83 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 4: her ways. And so yeah, through all of this we 84 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 4: went to trial. I had the lawyer from the previous victim, 85 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 4: who then helped me win the case, prove that she 86 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 4: was never pregnant with my child, that she had made 87 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 4: the whole thing up. 88 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: So we ever pregnant in general? 89 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 4: No, yeah, no, she was One of my cases end 90 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,679 Speaker 4: up being live streamed, which is a blessing in disguise. 91 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 4: I self represented because I just bought a house. I 92 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 4: didn't lawyers are expensive, and so I was like, oh, 93 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 4: this will be easy to prove that she's not pregnant. 94 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 4: She just has to provide evidence. So I went in 95 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 4: self represented, came out of the case. Didn't realize it 96 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 4: was live stream. But on that live stream, why I 97 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 4: wasn't paying attention. She was shifting this fake pregnancy bump around. 98 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 4: So she bought one of those fake belly bumps, and 99 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 4: thankfully that was online and people caught it, and that 100 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 4: was the beginning of the end for her as far 101 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 4: as people realizing that she was full of you know what, 102 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 4: and so we from there. Yeah, I mean, just kept 103 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 4: going back into court and thankfully had a ruling on 104 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 4: back in June or July, Kimmember, which month. But it's 105 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 4: essentially given me an order of an opportunity. So now 106 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 4: she can't claim she's not supposed to be claiming she's 107 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 4: pregnant with my kids or or ever was, because I 108 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 4: could sue her still in debating it, I have every 109 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 4: right to sue her for defamation, but we're just hoping 110 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 4: that the county attorney prosecutes her. They've been investigating her 111 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 4: since June, so they're still actively doing so. 112 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: I don't, like, I don't know if this is I 113 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: don't want to laugh because this is just so crazy, 114 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: like that in moments where this like I can't even 115 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: process this story, like I almost want to be like, 116 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: you're kidding, like not this is hilarious, but like it 117 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: doesn't sound real. 118 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 4: No, no, and no. But that was that was a 119 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 4: problem so unbelievable that people almost didn't believe me out 120 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 4: the gate because like, why would this woman make this up? 121 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 4: This is ridiculous, and she's got to come with receipts, 122 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 4: like and that's what we all thought. And I mean 123 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 4: there was a point where, even though I didn't believe her, 124 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 4: I thought, either I'm dealing with the craziest woman I've 125 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 4: ever met, or this girl's telling the truth. And it 126 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 4: was the craziest woman I've ever met. But I like 127 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 4: tried to give her the benefit of doubt. I was like, 128 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 4: even like, I don't know, maybe I don't know what's 129 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 4: going on here, but I couldn't believe it. 130 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: A Christian, I do believe in miraculous conception. However, I 131 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: haven't seen it outside of the biblical stories, So that 132 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: would that would be some a whole new story to 133 00:06:59,160 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: share if. 134 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 3: That, and it would be with you know, Joseph in 135 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 3: the situation would be Clayton. 136 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, which you know I would run with. You know, 137 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 4: maybe I would make are out of that, but not 138 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 4: a loss. That wasn't the case. 139 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 3: Okay, need to know what did she seem like the 140 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 3: night that you met her? Like, did she give off 141 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 3: these crazy vibes? 142 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 4: No, she was totally normal. That was That's a sad 143 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 4: part about it is she could totally have a relationship 144 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 4: and be happy and start a family and she's not 145 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 4: you know, I don't see her as attractive now, but 146 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 4: she's not an ugly woman. And she was totally normal. 147 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 4: Conversation was normal. It wasn't until I told her the 148 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 4: next day after she begged for me to date her 149 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 4: like five times, that I finally said no means no, 150 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 4: stop asking me. And that's when her face glossed over, 151 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 4: went completely dark. Her eyes didn't go black, but it 152 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 4: felt like that. I mean, in that moment, I remember 153 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 4: her staring at me and be like, I get it. 154 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 4: Have a good one. Got out of my car and 155 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 4: I just knew something was off. I just felt really 156 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 4: really bad energy. So no, she could have just had 157 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,679 Speaker 4: a normal life. Unfortunately, there's some stuff from her past 158 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 4: obviously that has warped her into who she is and 159 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,559 Speaker 4: doesn't help that. Her mom is her accomplice and helps 160 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 4: her along with these things. But there's definitely some past 161 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 4: familial trauma, and unfortunately she's not willing to seek help 162 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 4: for it. 163 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm imagining there is a lot of pain, 164 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: Like any anybody that's gonna do this has a lot 165 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: of pain. And so that's the hope on how to 166 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: confront that. First off, Now, I do want to transition 167 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: here because we are not here to do a deep 168 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: dive in actually we are not able to do a 169 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: deep dive into Clayton's court. 170 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 4: Kits. All I'm saying is. 171 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 3: Please submit this story to Lifetime and to clarify she 172 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 3: really did fake four or five pregnancies. 173 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, we know of four or five. I don't 174 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 4: there's but then there's now apparently other men. It's just 175 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 4: a matter of like, did she go the full pregnancy 176 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 4: rout of it? Did she just threaten them andferent ways. 177 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 4: So yeah, it's and there's been discussions about a documentary, 178 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 4: but I think everyone's waiting to see what happens with 179 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 4: the County attorney. Of course, like if they decide a 180 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 4: prosecute or not. There has to be some type of ending, 181 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 4: But right now it's just all up in the air. Okay. 182 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: As much as I would love to sit here for 183 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: the next forty minutes and talk about Clayton's court case, 184 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 1: that's not why we're here today. We're here to talk 185 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: about his time as the Bachelor and then life now, 186 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: which obviously the court case is a lot of life now. 187 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: The transitioning question will be a little bit about what 188 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: we were just talking about before, and then I want 189 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: to transition into a few things that happened during your season. 190 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: How much has this season of life the last two years? 191 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: How much has it felt like it's defined you or 192 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: pushed you away from your lead and your time as 193 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: the Bachelor, Because we're looking at two years, that's not 194 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,719 Speaker 1: that long after you're se and stopped airing, had a 195 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: few months buffer there, and then this kind of jumped 196 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: into your life, and so how much has this felt 197 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: like it's been a cloud or been a defining moment 198 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: for you? And you've never really gotten to enjoy the 199 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: fruits of the show. 200 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 4: You know, I'd say where I'm at currently, I'm in 201 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 4: a really great spot. The last two years just weren't 202 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 4: the traditional type of experience for a bachelor. For me, 203 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 4: it was, you know, a cheating accusation right out the gate, 204 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 4: which I disproved, and then it became a second accusation. 205 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 4: So I was, you know, back to back years of 206 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 4: getting accused. Of course, you know, I had a very 207 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 4: interesting end to my season. Certainly could have handled things differently. 208 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 4: I give myself grace now, I mean I really met well, 209 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 4: but I lacked emotional intelligence, and so you know, I 210 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 4: chalked it up to being an a household of three 211 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 4: boys and having no women and not talking about emotions. 212 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 4: So now, nonetheless, that's that's what I've had to learn, 213 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 4: is to develop that. And these last two years I've 214 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 4: grown a lot as a person. Have I been able 215 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 4: to enjoy being the Bachelor? Like certainly and maybe not, 216 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 4: you know as much as other people that had really 217 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 4: great edits and you know, walked out of there and 218 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 4: we're just loved by everybody. But I also think that 219 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 4: that wasn't supposed to be my experience. I needed to 220 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 4: grow up as a human being and there were some 221 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 4: things that areas of my life that I could improve upon, 222 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 4: and that's what the last two years afforded me. I've 223 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 4: done therapy multiple different times. I've gotten into a lot 224 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 4: of healing modalities. I've done breath work, I've done plant medicines. 225 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 4: I've really dove into who I am, and I feel 226 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 4: that I'm finally my most authentic version of myself, which 227 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 4: is completely different than who I was on the Bachelor. 228 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 4: There's certainly remnants of who I was then, but I've 229 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 4: I've changed a lot and so now who I am today, 230 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 4: I'm forever grateful for being I don't feel like I'm 231 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 4: living a facade. Actually feel like I'm the real Clayton 232 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 4: for once. So that's cool. That's a really great feeling. 233 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 4: You know. Unfortunately I had to go through the adversity 234 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 4: to get here, but I also I now I see 235 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 4: it as a blessing. You know. It took me to 236 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 4: the lowest moments of my life, but that's where the 237 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 4: most growth occurs. And so I feel good. Yeah, like 238 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 4: I'm happy, And I will say now that, like I 239 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 4: guess on the other side of it. Now it's like, hey, 240 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 4: I'm authentically me. There's not really opportunities anymore, Like I've 241 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 4: fallen out of the spotlight. But that has been it 242 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 4: was tough at first to just watch like it all 243 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 4: fall off and not really like be relevant, but you know, 244 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 4: because I gotten used to that, always people staying in 245 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 4: my business. But now in the last six months or so, 246 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 4: it's kind of become nice, Like it's allowed me to 247 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 4: acclimate back to normal life, where like people aren't really 248 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 4: paying attention to what I'm doing, not to the degree 249 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 4: they were prior, and so I like that, you know, 250 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 4: I think it's helped me realize that, like all that 251 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 4: extra noise and stuff doesn't really matter. If I get 252 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 4: future opportunities, that's awesome, but I'm not going to lose 253 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 4: myself the same way that I did the first time around. 254 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 4: So long winded answer, but that's all my answer, and now. 255 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: Long when it's good and I want to. So we're 256 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: a few years removed, and it feels like from talking 257 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: to you, kind of your defense defenses are down, like 258 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: you're you're not as protective of Hey, you know, I'm 259 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: going to blame outside world like many of us do 260 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: when we come off the show, right, But you did 261 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: use the word edit there, and I want to read 262 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: a quote I don't know if you remember this that 263 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: you gave in twenty twenty two. It says, watching it back, 264 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: I was embarrassed and disgusted by my actions and the 265 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: way I was portrayed or seen on TV. Ultimately, I 266 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: had to live with the fact that my narrative is 267 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: what was shown and that was hard because that's not 268 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: really who I am. I don't feel that what I 269 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: was on the show is who I truthfully am. But 270 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: I did those things. I became that person. So after 271 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: what you just said there and reading that quote, what 272 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: I'm reading between the lines is are you saying that 273 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: you're you weren't who you wanted to be on the show, 274 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: or that the edit was it what you wanted to be? 275 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, like question the story was. And so 276 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: for everybody listening now we're two years removed, give clarity 277 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: to what exactly went on during your season. 278 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you want me to walk through as far 279 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 4: as like how the outcome of it or or just 280 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 4: basically just explaining that quote that you just mentioned. 281 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, the quest I want to I want to know 282 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 2: what we didn't see from people. I want to know 283 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 2: what was missing from the. 284 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: Four hours with you guys. 285 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 4: You guys know I can't talk about. 286 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: Some of the NDAs. 287 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 3: Come on now. 288 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're sold and they will come after me. I am. 289 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 4: That quote that you just mentioned was coming from an 290 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 4: ego centric place. At that point, I was under a 291 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 4: lot of dress and so I fell backed into a 292 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 4: corner and I wasn't willing to accept full accountability for 293 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 4: what resulted and what was shown. That being said, I 294 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 4: definitely feel it's a shared sense of accountability what was 295 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 4: shown on TV. There was no body double. It was me, 296 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 4: so that that was me and those were my actions. 297 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 4: But I also there was a lot of things. You know, 298 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 4: again the show, you guys know this. I mean, it's 299 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 4: a two hour episode, but you know two hours in 300 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 4: one episode encapsule, it's four or five days of filming 301 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 4: at you know, fourteen fifteen hours a day, So there's 302 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 4: just missing context. I used to think, you know, or 303 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 4: feel that, you know, they did it out of spite 304 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 4: and try to destroy my character. I now look at 305 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 4: it like, I don't think the producers are that vengeful. 306 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 4: I think they just really tried to create a very 307 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 4: highly emotional season, and I think they realized that people 308 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 4: didn't like me out the gate. They weren't happy I 309 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 4: was chosen as a bachelor, so they were looking for 310 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 4: reasons to hate me. And I think, you know, after 311 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 4: my season, the show was like, you gave us too 312 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 4: much firepower, and if we don't produce it this way, 313 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 4: I mean, we don't want a lukewarm bachelor. We want 314 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 4: either a very beloved bachelor or a hated bachelor. And 315 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 4: in the past, you know, they've they you know, every 316 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 4: so often they go for a bachelor and they kind 317 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 4: of take them down the opposite route. I mean, I think, 318 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 4: you know, I've seen Peter Webber kind of got a similar, 319 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 4: you know, approach in the way that he was portrayed. 320 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 4: Now that being said again, I mean, I don't want 321 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 4: to try to displaced blame here. You know, I took 322 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 4: those actions on the show, and so you know, people 323 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 4: were upset by it. I also think too, though, that 324 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 4: it's not a matter what I will say is like, 325 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 4: I'm not going to defend what I did on the show. 326 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 4: In fact, I now accept full responsibility, and I think 327 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 4: I did what I thought was best at the time. 328 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 4: So I've forgiven myself and that's all that matters. Could 329 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 4: I have done things better, Yeah, in hindsight, sure. But 330 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 4: I also was very emotional to the way that my reaction, 331 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 4: how people responded to me, And it's not that serious. 332 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 4: Now I realized that like people were treating it. I 333 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 4: was getting death threats. People were telling me I was, 334 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 4: you know, all the worst things in the world, stupid, 335 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 4: not deserving, blah blah blah blah. I now realize those 336 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 4: people are extremely overreacting. It's not that serious. Like I 337 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 4: hurt some people on a TV show and I'm sorry 338 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 4: for that, but I mean, this life or death treatment 339 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 4: was ridiculous. So you know, I look at it now 340 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 4: and I'm just like I was a little bit overly sensitive, 341 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 4: and so anytime that anything got brought up, I felt 342 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 4: like the world was coming crashing down on me. And 343 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 4: so that original quote was me trying to place blame 344 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 4: on the shoulders of the show and take it off 345 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 4: me because I'm not a monster. I mean, that's what 346 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 4: some people viewed me as. I also think that the 347 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 4: you know, the loudest people online, it's it's still a minority. 348 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 4: I think there's a majority of people that watched it 349 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 4: and said, like, yeah, that wasn't probably smart, but I 350 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 4: don't think he's a you know, bad guy. I was 351 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 4: really just hyper sensitive to the criticism. So I was 352 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 4: trying to defend my character. And now I realized I was, 353 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 4: like these people were overreacting a lot of them, And 354 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 4: you know, yeah, was I immature in certain senses, yes, absolutely, 355 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 4: But my gosh, it's a TV show like relax. I 356 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 4: didn't I didn't, you know, do something that drastic. 357 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 2: I just you just said, I love you. 358 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: You know, it's. 359 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 2: That tell somebody. 360 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 4: I mean, I I failed at you know, polyamory or 361 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 4: whatever you want to call it. Like that's why the 362 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,199 Speaker 4: show is, you know, like it's date multiple people and 363 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 4: then you try to get back to monogamy and I 364 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 4: I just failed at that. You know, it is what 365 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 4: it is. So I mean I'm like, yeah, would you say, hey, 366 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 4: were you what? Was I a successful bachelor? Not really 367 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 4: by the respect of like I mean, I ended up 368 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 4: alone on the at the end of it, I guess 369 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 4: Susan and I dated for a year, But it is again, 370 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 4: I've just given myself grace it like it is what 371 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 4: it is. It's at the end of the day. It 372 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 4: doesn't define me. 373 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: I sure hope it doesn't. I mean, if you're stone 374 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: one day said uh clean Eckerd the Bachelor, Uh big 375 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: problems in life, buddy. 376 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 4: To move on, you know, like it's you know, it's 377 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 4: a special experience, and I I mean, I'm forever grateful. 378 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 4: I'm grateful for the show. I don't hold in the 379 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 4: ill will towards them. Did I hold ill? Well, yes, 380 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 4: I did it certain points, and I wanted to like 381 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 4: come out and say, here's all the behind the scenes 382 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 4: stuff that like you guys didn't see on TV because 383 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 4: there was some of that stuff. But it's like the 384 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 4: show has to put in as much as they can 385 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 4: to our windows. So I don't it wasn't malicious why 386 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 4: they left out stuff. I don't think so. And if 387 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 4: somebody dislikes me at ABC whatever, then I guess they do. 388 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 4: But I, you know, I just don't appear I don't 389 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 4: want to hold that at this point. I'm like, forget it. 390 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 4: It is what it is. 391 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 3: Well, you and Grant are actually in similar situations because 392 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 3: you're both chosen to be the Bachelor from not the 393 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 3: top four. You guys were honestly quite random choices from 394 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 3: the top ten. Yeah, why do you think you were chosen? 395 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: Why do you think Grant was chosen? Why? What advice? 396 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 3: I that's a lame question in my point of view. 397 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 3: What advice do you have for Grant? But because you 398 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 3: guys are in situations, how do you handle it not 399 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 3: being a main character and becoming the main character? 400 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean my advice to Grant's just be authentical yourself. 401 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 4: I mean, you can't control people's opinions, and you'll spin 402 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 4: your wheels until you burn off all the tread trying 403 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 4: to do so. I mean that's what I did. I 404 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 4: was trying to convince everybody that, like, wait, this is 405 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 4: why they chose me. You know, I'm just as great 406 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 4: as all the other previous bachelors. I'm not like the reject. 407 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 4: It's like this was still a coveted position, Like I'm 408 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 4: just as good as anybody else. But that was you know, 409 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 4: that was a loss. I mean, that was wasted my 410 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 4: time trying to prove it, and there's no point. So 411 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 4: I would just say, you know, focus on what you 412 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 4: can control and what's outside of your control. Let it 413 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 4: go and just let it play out. I do think ultimately, 414 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 4: karma comes back, and the people that get put up 415 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 4: on pedestals fall off them, and the ones that you 416 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 4: know gets banished to the corner end of climbing back 417 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 4: out and we all settle somewhere in the middle. No 418 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 4: one's as good or as bad as they're perceived on television. 419 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 4: A lot of times there's some middle ground somewhere. So 420 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 4: I would just say, if he focuses on himself and 421 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 4: just you know, whatever you want to do with this experience. 422 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 4: If he wants to leverage it business wise, go for it. 423 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,120 Speaker 4: You know. If he finds love awesome, like whatever it is, 424 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 4: don't listen to the noise. You know, a lot of 425 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 4: people are jealous, and they say, all these people come 426 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 4: on for this reason, that reason, whatever, Like we come 427 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 4: on for our reasons that we come on, and we 428 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 4: do what we do with it, And so for forgive 429 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 4: us for taking the opportunity. As far as why I 430 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 4: was chosen, I mean, truthfully, I'm just gonna be honest. 431 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 4: I think I was chosen because I fit what the 432 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 4: demographic really wanted, not you know, the minority online people 433 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 4: blew up and were upset that I was chosen over 434 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 4: men of color. I totally understand that. Why I was 435 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 4: chosen as the eighth guy when there was six men 436 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 4: of color before me, I don't know. It's not my 437 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 4: question answer, but I will say I think that I 438 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 4: fit this mold. They were looking for a six foot 439 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 4: five white dude. I mean, the show Primariage cast white leads, 440 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 4: and I fit that mold. I was, you know, the 441 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 4: guy from the Midwest that on paper checked a lot 442 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 4: of the boxes. And so I think that's why they 443 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 4: made me that. But there was pushback because people were 444 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 4: frustrated that it didn't come from a top four pick. 445 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 4: And I get that. So again I just look at 446 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 4: it like, hey, I accepted the role. I mean, that 447 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 4: was my job. You want to know why I was chosen, 448 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 4: you ask them. But I can tell you that I 449 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 4: see why people were upset, and I don't blame them. 450 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 4: But again, it wasn't my decision to and I didn't 451 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 4: take it away from people. People said, oh, he took 452 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 4: it away from these other people, Like no, they could away. 453 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 4: Yeah no, I was like, I didn't take it away 454 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 4: from people. Those producers could have went to those guys, 455 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 4: you know. So again just my opinion, I think that's unfortunate, 456 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 4: but the show does have to. Like they are trying 457 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 4: to make it work and trying to have diversity and 458 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 4: trying to keep their audience happy. I mean, I know 459 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 4: they're paying attention to it. You know, I've had those 460 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 4: conversations with them. They so they're very, very aware of 461 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 4: what's being said by the public with you know, race 462 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 4: being you know, a topic that's brought up a lot. 463 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 4: I think they just tried to satisfy their the silent 464 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 4: majority of people, and they picked me, and it backfired 465 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 4: because no one knew who I was. 466 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: To transition here a little bit. In the last few 467 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: minutes that we have with you, I want to get 468 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: into life now, and I want to get into a 469 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: few of the more prevalent relationships that came from your 470 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: time during this franchise. Gabby, Rachel, and Susie obviously are 471 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: the three that we think of when it comes to 472 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: your experience. Gabby's in a relationship, Rachel and Susie are 473 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: both single. To go back because it feels like my 474 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: role today, I'm going to read a quote that Susie 475 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: said about you during your trial, and it's interesting. I 476 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: want to hear what you think of it. I want 477 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: you to break it down for us. She said this. 478 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: She said, listen, Clayton might be a lot of things, 479 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: but he's not a liar. And that meant a lot 480 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: to me. What do you think she meant by Clayton 481 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: might be a lot of things. 482 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 4: Oh, Susie, you know, I'm going to hold off on that. 483 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,239 Speaker 4: I think that there was there was reasons why her 484 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 4: and I broke up, and there was equal you know, 485 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 4: there's no blame to be dispersed out, but there's reasons 486 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 4: why it didn't work. From my point of view, with 487 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 4: the way that she acted and vice versa, I haven't 488 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 4: really been in agreeance with a few of the times 489 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 4: that she's made small comments that carry a lot more weight. 490 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 4: I think that that direct quote was one of them. 491 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 4: So I wish Susie the best. I don't think that 492 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 4: comment was necessary in the way it was framed. I 493 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 4: also don't think a few other things she said At 494 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 4: some points it felt like she was trying to make it, 495 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 4: you know, seem like I was the whole reason that 496 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 4: the really ship didn't work. That's the way I perceived it. 497 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 4: I don't know if she meant that or not, but 498 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 4: of course, if you're bringing this up, you know as 499 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 4: a quote, it's you got to wonder, you know, why 500 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 4: was it said that way? It certainly perked people up 501 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 4: into being like, huh, you could have just said Clayton's 502 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 4: not a liar? Why did you say he might be? 503 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 4: Many things? So, you know, I I haven't been in favor, 504 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 4: and I've told her that she's aware at some of 505 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 4: the ways that she's you know, said things, but it 506 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 4: is what it is. You know, she can she can 507 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 4: respond to that accordingly what she meant. I never got, 508 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 4: you know, an answer as far as like what that 509 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 4: meant myself, but I just moved on from it, let 510 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 4: it go. You know, we're not perfect, and at some 511 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 4: points we all say things that in hindsight, we probably 512 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 4: shouldn't have said. So I can forgive her for that 513 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 4: there was. I do it every week. 514 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: I do it every week. And I guess Susie is 515 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit behind the times. I think her 516 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: and Justin are trying to rekindle something. So maybe when 517 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 1: I said they're both single, they might not be. 518 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 4: Aren't. But I don't know what's going on. 519 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 3: But speaking of that, she and Justin had a very 520 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 3: public flirty friendship before coming out as a public couple. 521 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 3: Do you, guys, how did you feel about watching her 522 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 3: with like another bachelor guy, another person in the spotlight. 523 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 3: Was that hard to just see her move on to 524 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 3: somebody that was going to make headlines with her? 525 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 4: No, not at all. I didn't really feel any type 526 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 4: of way about it. I mean, when Susie and I 527 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 4: broke up, we knew it was never going to ever 528 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 4: be a thing again. So it was just like once 529 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 4: that was severed, you know, we were important in each 530 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 4: other's life to help each other get through, you know, 531 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 4: a traumatic time, and she helped me grow as a person. 532 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 4: But ultimately, like after we had those breakup conversations, I mean, 533 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 4: and after the feeling subsided, it became very much just like, hey, 534 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 4: you know what, we weren't meant to be each other 535 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 4: forever person, So I knew that that day would come 536 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 4: whenever she would date somebody new, and so when I 537 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 4: saw it, it was like, yeah, I mean this this 538 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,479 Speaker 4: day was coming. It was inevitable, and I didn't really 539 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 4: feel any type of way about it. I was like, Okay, 540 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 4: good for her. 541 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: The you did this to yourself, you set this up, 542 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: and so I don't feel bad about asking this question. 543 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: We had an iHeart event and I believe it was. 544 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 2: Moning it two years ago. 545 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: Two years ago, Rachel was there. You guys did a 546 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: video to get the world talking, and they talked. It 547 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: was kind of a flirty video. 548 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 2: And we saw them kind of flurried place. 549 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: You guys have deep mystery going on. So we just 550 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: talked about Susie, talked a little bit about Gabby Rachel. 551 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: You and Rachel stay in contact. Is there any uh, 552 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: you know, fuel still to the potential flame that could 553 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: be the two of you. 554 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 4: I don't really keep in contact with her. I'm not 555 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 4: sure what she's doing these days, but I will say that, Yeah, 556 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 4: I hear people talk like they always wonder if if 557 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 4: the two of us would have would have made sense together. 558 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 4: And I don't think people will be asking that question 559 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 4: much much longer. I think. 560 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 2: Not just a lot of that Oh oh, because somebody 561 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: is in a relationship here. I think it's Clayton. I 562 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 2: think it's Clayton. 563 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 4: I mean, why would he? 564 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's Clayton. Clayton's going to come out 565 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: with a relationship announcement. Do you just want to do it? 566 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 4: On the show? 567 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: A lot of listeners, a lot of people could get 568 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: some real excitement if you just tell us who I'm not. 569 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 4: I'm not just I'm not going to drop any bombshells today. No, 570 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 4: there's could be a talking to somebody in relationship, could 571 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 4: not be I could have you know, whatever, things will 572 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 4: make sense. I'll put it this way. People will get 573 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 4: an answer at some point here, So in as far 574 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 4: as you like engaged what I'm alluding to. No, No, 575 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 4: I'll just I'll just answers will be clear at some point. 576 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 4: I just that's all I'll say. 577 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: Gracious, such a cliffhanger for us, but I'm glad that 578 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: we at least got that tease. I mean, there's something 579 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: happening in your life that no longer allows you to 580 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: be in relationship with Rachel. So yeah, that's exciting. Congratulations Cleaton. 581 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 4: Life is exciting. I never up my sleeves, so yeah, 582 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 4: there's something's coming all right. 583 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: Well. 584 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 3: In the teasers for The Traders, in which Gabby is in, 585 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 3: she calls herself a lesbian, but in twenty twenty three 586 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 3: she said, I guess I'm bisexual would be the most 587 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 3: honest label for me. I don't know, but after dating 588 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 3: a woman. I feel so connected to my girlfriend. That's 589 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 3: what's most important to me. I don't believe in labels, 590 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 3: but I don't know if I could ever date a 591 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 3: man again. Would you ever thought that this would be 592 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 3: after being with Gabby? Fantasy suites and such? 593 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 4: I wow? I mean I know that, like Gabby, she 594 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 4: shared a lot of things with me about her life, 595 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 4: and of course, you know the things that are off camera, 596 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 4: you know, stay off camera. You know, she confided in 597 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 4: me with different things. I won't say that she convided 598 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 4: me with about sexuality. That was not I'm not alluding 599 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 4: to that, but I you know, I know that she 600 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 4: had you know, there was parts of her life growing 601 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 4: up that were tough and challenging for her, and you 602 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 4: know that she was coping with and so I was 603 00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 4: surprised to like have her come out. But I again, 604 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 4: I mean, how do you It's like, I think people 605 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 4: wrestle with that a lot of times. You know, I 606 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 4: think there's not the stigma's not there like it used 607 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 4: to be used to. You know, people would be embarrassed 608 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 4: to come out and say that, you know, they they 609 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 4: are gay or bisexual, whatever it may be. And I 610 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 4: think it's just more accepted now, So I'm sure she 611 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 4: was wrestling with it for some time and then but 612 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 4: when she came out, I was like, Okay, I mean, 613 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 4: I guess we're getting all used to people like coming 614 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 4: out and making statements like this, and so it's just 615 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 4: not as surprising as maybe if she came out twenty 616 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 4: years ago or whatever. So yeah, I mean, at the 617 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 4: time I spent with her, I felt like we had 618 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 4: a strong connection and I really did, you know, have 619 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 4: strong feelings for her. I think she's just trying to 620 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 4: figure out what's best for her, you know. So this 621 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 4: is a part of our journey. 622 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: In the final question that we have for you today, 623 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: We've covered a lot of topics here, Clayton. Obviously, we've 624 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: covered a court case. We've covered your time as the Bachelor. 625 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: We've covered the past relationships that are always so fun 626 00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: to talk about. We've covered your personal growth, and now 627 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,719 Speaker 1: I want to cover where you're at today. And so 628 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: my question for you is two. Part one is how 629 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: are you personally? 630 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 4: I'm great, I honestly, I mean am happy. I got 631 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 4: a lot of things cooking. Uh, and there's just baby cooking. 632 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: You might as well just tell us or create all 633 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: these ideas in everybody's heads, and it's just like. 634 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 4: I like, that's fine, she can't. I like playing games. 635 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 4: I mean I was doing this when I was on 636 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 4: the batch, and I was dropping hints on my Instagram 637 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 4: to certain that I was with Susie and people. I 638 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 4: was trying to you know, I was posting photos of 639 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 4: like me standing by the bedside and like you could 640 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 4: see her leg in the like her a leg outline. 641 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 4: I was playing. I love playing these little psychological games. 642 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 4: So this is just fun I'm doing. I'm just I'm 643 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 4: just doing right now. So she wants to if she 644 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 4: wants to spark up, it doesn't. I'll just say that, 645 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 4: you know, there's people. Yeah, there's gonna be some fun 646 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 4: things that are that that will come out and do time. 647 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: Well, it's it's cool to see you be excited about something. 648 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: My final question for you is, uh, what are you 649 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: looking forward to in the next few years. You've had 650 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: I mean, no matter what, this has been a I 651 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: know you've had personal growth. I know there's been good 652 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,239 Speaker 1: things to this. If you lay out the timeline of 653 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: the last three years of your life, it's it's had 654 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: some rocky moments and a lot that you couldn't control. 655 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: So as we look forward now to three years, four years, 656 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,719 Speaker 1: five years, what are you looking forward to? 657 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 4: The most? I would say what came top of mind 658 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 4: is like every year, I choose a word that I 659 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 4: focus on for myself. Last year it was, you know, rebirth. 660 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 4: I chose that word. I wanted to become my most 661 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 4: authentic self. I feel like I've acquired you know, acquired 662 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 4: that now and this year it's redemption. So that was 663 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 4: the word I chose, and I'm looking forward to what 664 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 4: all that means in my life, which again it's it's 665 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 4: it's I'm excited because I feel like life is still 666 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 4: challenging as it always is, but you know, this new 667 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 4: me is is bringing a lot of opportunity and energy 668 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 4: my way that I've always you know, wished that I 669 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 4: had come this my direction that now is So it's 670 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 4: kind of like, you know, what you push out is 671 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 4: what you attract, and that's what I'm finding. So I'm 672 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 4: really excited to continue watching more things that are meant 673 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 4: for me arrive at my doorsteps. So that's that's going 674 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 4: to keep dancing I out of it. Yeah, I told 675 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 4: my I've stepped it up to four times a week 676 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 4: now from two. So I told my dance instructor, I 677 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 4: actually want to learn to dance, not like do TikTok dances, 678 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 4: because at first I was posting some stuff and it was, 679 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 4: you know, more to build confidence. Now I'm actually trying 680 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 4: to become decent at dancing and like learn to actually 681 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 4: move and so I don't. Yeah, I set like a 682 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 4: six to seven month timeline on it. I told my instructor. 683 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 4: At you know, at the end of these seven months 684 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 4: four days a week, I'll reassess as far as like 685 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 4: if I want to continue, I'm really going all that. 686 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 4: I mean, it's fun, it's a hobby. So it's you know, 687 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 4: it's just like for me, it's become like what my 688 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 4: what lifting weights is. I'm like, it's just a hobby 689 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 4: that I'm pouring into and you know, not posting as 690 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 4: much online about it because I'm actually just learning to 691 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 4: do like grooves and all that. So I think it's. 692 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 2: Training for Dancing with the Stars. 693 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 3: Fifth Star that you're like the only bachelor that hasn't 694 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 3: been chosen for Dancing with the Stars and it's your hobby. 695 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 4: Is that what it is? And I know you're. 696 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 2: Not I'm thinking about others. It's like Zach wasn't it? 697 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,359 Speaker 4: Yeah? Was Peter Webber? I don't think he was either, 698 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 4: was he? 699 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh? How did Peter not do that out covid? 700 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 4: I think I saw Peter was doing some dance videos 701 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 4: on on Instagram or TikTok at one point, so I'm 702 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 4: sure he's I'm sure he him and I are just 703 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 4: by sitting here fuming every day, being like, just give 704 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 4: us a chance, ye, bring it soon for a guest 705 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 4: appearance if nothing else, just let let us tap on 706 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 4: the floor for like five minutes and I'll be good. 707 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 1: Hey, Clayton, thanks for joining us today. We wish you 708 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: the best as this you know, year of what was 709 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: your word this year? Redemption? No redemption, redemption, redemption. Year 710 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: of Redemption continues, Thanks for joining us, and the countdown 711 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: to the Bachelor continues with more special guests and more 712 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: leads that we're catching up with as we go. But 713 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: until next time, I've been Ben, I've been Ashley. 714 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 3: See follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts 715 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 3: on iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.