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Speaker 1: by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling. Bring it on, Bring

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Speaker 1: it on. Slam the ground by foot a baker like

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Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared

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Speaker 1: and nobody. Here's Paul Calvc, who exactly is regular season

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Speaker 1: and ready? And who is not a lot of talk

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. Remember, gentlemen, playmakers make plays. Game changers, change games.

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Speaker 1: Are we even ready? We're a daylight podcasters will fill

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Speaker 1: that in. That's up to you, guys. I can't do

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Speaker 1: everything around here, Darren Urban, Phelipe a Corral, Junior Pauly

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Speaker 1: podcast over here. Are we regular season ready? Philippe? You

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Speaker 1: look like you're energetic? I am. Of course, that's week one.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's energetic for this upcoming season with fans and all that.

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Speaker 1: Ready for morning radio there, Philippe. All I know is

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Speaker 1: we did the Cliff Kingsbury TV show and we had

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Speaker 1: was ready to come off the ball right there. He

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Speaker 1: was just you know, so you can tell based on

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Speaker 1: throw that And look if Richie Incognito can still be

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Speaker 1: on an NFL roster and just voted a team captain

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Speaker 1: with the Raiders, and you're darn too, and we can

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Speaker 1: do Cardinals underground. Here we are week one, getting ready

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Speaker 1: to go to Tennessee. And did I not just see

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Speaker 1: news at J Brown did not practice within knee injuries.

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Speaker 1: So if there's one thing that we can say definitively

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Speaker 1: about the Arizona Cardinals right here right now. Everybody knock

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Speaker 1: on wood if you're with me John Gruden. Not because

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Speaker 1: of John Grun, but because of the karma and the superstitions.

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Speaker 1: The Arizona Cardinals are pretty darn healthy going into the opener,

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Speaker 1: are they not, Darren Urban? Yeah, Well, Marcus Gilbert wants

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Speaker 1: to have a word. I don't know why you would

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Speaker 1: bring that up the week of a first game. Marcus

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Speaker 1: Gilbert hurt on a Friday. Now, wait a minute, that

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Speaker 1: is bad, Carba. Why would you do that? That is back.

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I do not mention that. I'm Tom strictly,

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Speaker 1: I will say that I'm trying to take it one game,

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Speaker 1: week at a time, and he's going back two years.

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, the reality is though, I mean, we

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Speaker 1: right their top six d linemen. We're out for a month,

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Speaker 1: and everybody said, hey, they're going to be ready for

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Speaker 1: the regular season. And everybody's like, ah, and guess what,

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Speaker 1: you know, the only guy at least this early part

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Speaker 1: the game's over, So I mean that's that's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: mean he's bouncing around, moving laterally. He actually was in

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Speaker 1: a pass rush drill Felipe Dennis gardeck Man. That would

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Speaker 1: A Paul, we've been covering Dennis Gardecks journeying back to

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Speaker 1: the field sin Stoffs. You know, he was part of

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Speaker 1: show on our Arizona Cardinal's YouTube channel called How I

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Speaker 1: Got Here. So he's been at the facility, I kid

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Speaker 1: best ACL recovery in the history of the NFL. Go

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Speaker 1: the best ACL recovery, quickest, the best, the most impressive,

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Speaker 1: when I see Derrick Henry from field Lebble, your immediate

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Speaker 1: That's how big he is. And the only other guy

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Speaker 1: although Boot also said that he was eight when all

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Speaker 1: edit that out, Edit that out. That's that's that's a

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Speaker 1: it's week one. I'm getting some of these dirty shots

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Speaker 1: below the knees around. That only means that Darren was

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Speaker 1: thing earlier today. Lorenzo Alexandra on there taking a few

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Speaker 1: shots of me. You know what, Zoe, you're Alma Mater,

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Speaker 1: the Derrick Henry thing is is fascinating. I I've gone

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Speaker 1: this game is all about stopping Derrick Henry. You've said

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Speaker 1: think ultimately they'll find a way to mitigate Derrick Henry

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Speaker 1: to start this week, and yes, they fully expect Tennessee

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Speaker 1: to target Zaven Collins. There's no doubt about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the question was the best receiving duo in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: because now it's not just Derrick Henry. It is that

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Speaker 1: be physical with your corners. Cardinals obviously have some depth

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Speaker 1: issues there. So yeah, there's a lot to worry about

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Speaker 1: you put them in obvious passing situations? Can you get

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Speaker 1: is better, He's got better velocity and zip on the ball,

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Speaker 1: so half quarterback will travel and so far, so good

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Speaker 1: what we've heard about Kyler. Is it more on Kyler?

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Speaker 1: Would you add? Would you split that pressure between Kyler

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Speaker 1: and Kingsbury? Because when I think of Kingsbury, I mean

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Speaker 1: he finally has the weapons that he's been wanting since

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Speaker 1: year one. He has the Rondo Mores that AJ Greens,

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Speaker 1: he got Rodney Hudson. So yeah, a lot of the

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Speaker 1: pressures on Kyler coming off for Po Bowl year and

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Speaker 1: going into year three, and you know he's closer to

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Speaker 1: getting that that juicy extension down the road and so forth.

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Speaker 1: But I also think that a good amount of the

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Speaker 1: pressures on Cliff Kingsbury, especially when you talk about the

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Speaker 1: NFC West and the performance against you know, the nine Ers,

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Speaker 1: the Rams and the Seahawks and so forth. So I

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Speaker 1: don't know that's a that's a again deep thoughts something. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: you know, speaking of deep thoughts. So you know there's

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Speaker 1: always that that classic deep thought. Is it the Xes

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Speaker 1: and O's or the Jimmy and Joe's, you know what

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Speaker 1: is it exactly? So it comes down to that. I'll

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Speaker 1: say this because here's another popular question I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: guys getting when you do other media. It is Cliff

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Speaker 1: Kingsbury on the hot seat. Man, if you had a

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Speaker 1: dime for that. Every time we've heard that leading into

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Speaker 1: this season, here's my response. Guess what if it's a

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Speaker 1: top five offense, or it's a top ten offense and

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Speaker 1: they're lighting up the scoreboard, but the defense fails, or

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Speaker 1: the special teams as a disaster, or the riddle with

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Speaker 1: injuries like the nine Ers three of the last four

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Speaker 1: years where Kyle Shannahon has lost double digit games, then

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Speaker 1: it's not on the head coach. But if the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: come out and they're near the top of the league

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Speaker 1: in penalties again and there's an inability in short yardage situation,

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Speaker 1: some of this situational football is lacking. That you get

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Speaker 1: a replay of a lot of the same ills that

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Speaker 1: plague this team a year ago, then yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that will fall on the head coach. And we all

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Speaker 1: know if this team does not make the playoffs, there

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Speaker 1: will be change. There will be blood, something is going

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Speaker 1: out that door, someone or something if they don't make

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. See, I'm not I understand what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: and I don't. Generally, I don't disagree, but I think

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Speaker 1: it's too early. When I get that question, and you're right,

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Speaker 1: I get that every time I do an interview. My

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Speaker 1: answer is it's nuanced here. I mean, yeah, some of

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Speaker 1: those mitigating factors are part of it. But to say

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Speaker 1: that there's going to be changed if they don't make

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, there there are absolutely ways for this team

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Speaker 1: to play well, have a good record, and not make

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. And I don't know if it's it's a guarantee.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if this team goes let's say this team

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Speaker 1: goes ten and seven, and two of those losses are

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Speaker 1: heartbreakers that they just got beat by the better team

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Speaker 1: and they are in the playoff race all year, and

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Speaker 1: you know, there's just again I don't know what the

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Speaker 1: details might be, but like why why are you making changes? Then?

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Speaker 1: So it's they win. Yeah, it's a good points. Like

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Speaker 1: if you take Cliff Kingsbury and you say he coached

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Speaker 1: what the Cardinals did in twenty thirteen ten and six

484
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Speaker 1: got hot, And that's the other thing. Like one of

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Speaker 1: the problems with last year was they started hot and

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Speaker 1: finished slow. So if this team starts two and four

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Speaker 1: and again, it's not because they're getting blown out. They're

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Speaker 1: just losing the good teams. And you lose to the Titans,

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Speaker 1: buy three points on the road, man, But you finish

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Speaker 1: strong and you just missed the playoffs in part because

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Speaker 1: you play in the hardest division of football. Like again,

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Speaker 1: I think there's nuance here. I Do I think they

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Speaker 1: need to make the playoffs? Yes? Do I think that's

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Speaker 1: the absolute driving factor? Yes? Do I think the odds

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Speaker 1: are greater than even that there's change if they don't

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs? Probably do. I think it's a lot

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Speaker 1: that if they don't make the playoffs, there's some kind

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Speaker 1: of sweeping change or blood as it were. I'm not

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Speaker 1: willing to say that right now because we don't know

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Speaker 1: how they're gonna not make the playoffs. In that game,

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Speaker 1: I would say, if you're in week sixteen and week

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Speaker 1: seventeen and playing at threshing backham quarterback and TJ. Bethred

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Speaker 1: and you and you scored thirteen points at home, you

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Speaker 1: don't make the post. But there might be yes, But

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Speaker 1: again that where then that's the that's the nuance. Okay, Now,

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Speaker 1: now you're getting this specifics, and I don't disagree. If

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Speaker 1: there's if there's a replay of what happened last year,

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Speaker 1: yeah I think there's going to be issues. But you know,

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Speaker 1: if it looks like last year and it ends like

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Speaker 1: last year, yeah there will be no next year. Can

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Speaker 1: we say that If it looks like last year and

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Speaker 1: it ends like last year on the playoffs on the

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Speaker 1: outside looking in, you're getting not getting another year, I

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Speaker 1: don't think. But to Darren's point, if it's totally different

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Speaker 1: and the team plays well for the most part and

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Speaker 1: you barely missed the playoffs, I mean, I'll give you

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Speaker 1: an example. NFL Network two mornings ago, they went the

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Speaker 1: round table and they had three analysts out on that set,

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Speaker 1: and they're predicting the NFC playoffs. Do you know that three,

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Speaker 1: all three analysts put three NFC West teams into their

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Speaker 1: playoff picture. None of them picked the Cardinals. Every one

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Speaker 1: of them picked the Rams Seahawks. And no, it wasn't

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Speaker 1: totally shocked. I thought, I thought maybe Shraigs might have

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Speaker 1: taken a car. Come on, Shreigs, you know he's usually

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Speaker 1: but he's been burned by that the last couple of years. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I get it. But and I'm smiling right now when

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Speaker 1: I say that. But see to me, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: reverse engineer to the division as long as we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about this a little bit going into the

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Speaker 1: season opener at Tennessee. Here on Cardinals Underground, brought you

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Speaker 1: by Pacific Office Automation, proud partner of the airs on

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Speaker 1: our Cardinals. This is just me Seattle not buying the defense,

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Speaker 1: definitely not sold on the offensive line. So okay, I'll

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Speaker 1: wait and see there the forty nine ers. If you're

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Speaker 1: going with a rookie quarterback game over Jimmy g I

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Speaker 1: don't they obviously don't have a lot of trust in

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Speaker 1: Jimmy g and on that defense of the forty nine ers,

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00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: the secondaries very suspect and where they get in a

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00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: pass rush other than Nick Bosa Fred Warner, but you

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00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,479
Speaker 1: gotta blitz him, so we'll see. I have a lot

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Speaker 1: of respect for Kyle Shannah and then MS of the Rams.

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Speaker 1: You haven't beaten Sean McVeagh yet. I think they upgraded

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Speaker 1: a quarterback with Matthew Stafford. They had the number one

544
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Speaker 1: ranked defense a year ago. I get it, Brandon's Daley left.

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00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: They lost some parts over there, but that's still really

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Speaker 1: stout with Aaron Do, Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey. So

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00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: right now you can go ahead and put it down.

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Speaker 1: I have the Cardinals in second place in this division

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Speaker 1: and making the playoffs. But once again that's me and

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Speaker 1: I based on watching last year, the kicking game at

551
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: times was disastrous, cost you a couple of games. The

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Speaker 1: penalties were really costly obviously, So if you have a

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00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: much better kicking game, which I think you can count

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Speaker 1: on with Matt Prader who has already hit a game time,

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00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: in game winning field goal in a preseason game, and

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Speaker 1: as kickoffs are pretty darn impressive, and they try to

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Speaker 1: hold anybody and everybody accountable for any sort of pre

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Speaker 1: snap penalties in the month August. If you're bullish and optimistic,

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00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: that's gonna work, and you can stop beating yourself in

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Speaker 1: that category. Then the fleet base point, you had a

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Speaker 1: team that showed have been a playoff team a year

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Speaker 1: ago if they would have beaten one of those two

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Speaker 1: backup quarterbacks down the stretch. So that's why I arrive

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Speaker 1: at his second place finished for the Arizona Cardinals in

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Speaker 1: the division, the toughest division in football. Look, I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna look once they got to six and three, that

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Speaker 1: team should have made the playoffs, and they should have

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Speaker 1: made the playoffs. And I'm taking it in totality. I'm

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Speaker 1: not just going to sit there and say they should

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Speaker 1: have won one of the last two games. I mean

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Speaker 1: there were other games for them. They should have beat

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Speaker 1: Miami at home. You know, they should have beat the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: So you know, you can look at it both ways,

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Speaker 1: and I don't disagree with any of that, but you know,

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Speaker 1: every year is a different year, and I want to see,

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Speaker 1: you know, exactly where this goes, Like Felipe said, I

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Speaker 1: want to see the running game pan out. I want

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Speaker 1: to see what the inside linebackers do. I want to

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Speaker 1: make sure that they can still repeat the pass rush. Yes,

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Speaker 1: they get Chandler Jones back, and they had that amazing

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Speaker 1: year last year. Are they going to get the kind

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Speaker 1: of pressure they got last year? If you think about

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Speaker 1: the NFC wes and to your point, Paul, I think

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Speaker 1: they can come out and taken because on paper, I

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Speaker 1: believe they have the second best quarterback in that division

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Speaker 1: and they have, if not the best offensive line you put.

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Speaker 1: You put Kyler over Matt Stafford, right of course. I

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Speaker 1: mean just his versatility, just what he did in weeks

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Speaker 1: one through ten before he suffered that that injury. I'm

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Speaker 1: not I'm not saying it's it's not, but I also

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Speaker 1: don't think that it's Some people would say that it's

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Speaker 1: not necessarily a lock, and then you think about the

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Speaker 1: weapons that he has on the offensive offensive side. I mean,

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Speaker 1: aside from the Seahawks, can you say that the Niners

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Speaker 1: have a better wide wide receiver group. Can you say

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Speaker 1: the Rams? I mean Cooper Cup, Robert Woods, AJ Green,

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. I just think of it through that lens. Offensively,

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Speaker 1: I think they are one of the better team's NFC

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Speaker 1: in the NFC West. It's just I mean, it's not

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Speaker 1: how you start, necessarily, it's it's how you fin See.

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Speaker 1: I like AJ Green. I think he's had a really

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00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: good camp when he's been out there. I think he's

603
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: primed for a bounce back here. But I do not

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Speaker 1: think it's unfair to wonder if he's going to have

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Speaker 1: a bounce back here and and so right now now

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at I love the potential and what the

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00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: Cardinals wide receiver room can be. Um, but given given

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years, are you are you definitely

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Speaker 1: putting them over the Seahawks wide receiver corps? What's a

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Speaker 1: bounce back year for Aj Green? Though? Are we talking

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Speaker 1: about like over a thousand yards or no? But I mean,

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Speaker 1: but I mean, if we're talking right now, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about ranking the wide receiver rooms, and right now, Tyler

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Speaker 1: Lockett and DK Metcalf play at a pretty high level.

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Speaker 1: So but after that, who can who's the best? Fair? Fair?

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Speaker 1: But okay, who's after Hopkins? Who are you looking at

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Speaker 1: for the Cardinals? Green? Okay, That's what I'm saying. But

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Speaker 1: I'm like, at this point in his career. I don't

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Speaker 1: think if you're pulling, if you're ranking all the receivers

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Speaker 1: one by one, Hopkins is one out of those two teams.

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Speaker 1: But then Lockett and Metcalf are going to be before

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Speaker 1: aj Green, right, So, and I don't want this to

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Speaker 1: turn into somebody's going to hear this in the building

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Speaker 1: and be mad at me. In one of the adjustments

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00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: obviously defensively to the Cardinals offensive year ago, they were

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Speaker 1: just all over DeAndre Hopkins the last two months of

627
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: the season and it worked. It worked. There weren't enough

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Speaker 1: other options. There weren't enough other guys giving yards after

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Speaker 1: catch and moving the sticks. And so I want to

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Speaker 1: see again when we talk about and this kind of

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Speaker 1: goes back to where you're with the coach and everything,

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Speaker 1: but we're Kyler Murray needs to take a step forward.

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Speaker 1: I think we need again. There needs to the evolution

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00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: of Cliff Kingsbury as play caller play schemer is also here,

635
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Speaker 1: and he's acknowledged that early in camp when Chase Edmonds said, hey,

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Speaker 1: we need to do a better job adjusting, and Cliffs

637
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: like he agreed with them. And I think that's big

638
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: And that's another reason when we sit here and say,

639
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, when I'm kind of saying I'm over the analysis.

640
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: That's why I want to see what this looks like

641
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: in real time. I want to see when the game's

642
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: count what he's what we're pulling out, and you know,

643
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: I know, look, what were two of the biggest criticisms

644
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: from the outside of the Cardinals offense last year. One

645
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: of them was that DeAndre Hopkins didn't move around much.

646
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's necessarily going to change,

647
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: but Aj Greenen on the other side will help. And

648
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: then the other thing is the pre snap motion stuff.

649
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: And now that you have Rondel Moore, I'm really curious

650
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: about the pre snap motion stuff that seems to be

651
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: a big thing in this league. And I saw something

652
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: on some analysis on Twitter the other day where they

653
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: were talking about the Buccaneers who Bruce Arians barely used

654
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: any motion the first half of last year. They put

655
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: in a little bit. It wasn't even a lot, but

656
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: they were able to measure that it very much helped

657
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers offense, and I'm hoping that the Cardinals kind

658
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: of see it that way too. Was that in sync

659
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: with getting a by Antonio Brown the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

660
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I would have to look, but

661
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: I don't think Antonio Brown had that big of an impact,

662
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: to be honest. And now maybe he did, but well,

663
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: and even when he is out there, Mike Evans was

664
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: banged up. And you know, it is a mind blow

665
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: of a stat that the Arizona Cardinals were dead last

666
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: in pre snap motion in twenty twenty. To me, at least,

667
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Speaker 1: I would never think of that when I think of

668
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: a Cliff Kingsbury offense. Never with aught of that. But

669
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: did he truly have the personnel? And that's a big

670
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: rondel Moore, that's where you're talking and when we talk

671
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: about personnel and look, the most poignant, insightful comment of

672
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: all the Cards camp was on day one. You referenced it,

673
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds talking about what happened to the offense and

674
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: or more importantly, what defenses did to adjust to the

675
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: Cardinals offense? And guys, we talked about it in November

676
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: and December, did we not adjust to the adjustment? The

677
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: onus was on the Arizona Cardinals. Here's the rub as

678
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: I might be over my skis with the XS and os,

679
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: but go ahead and follow me here. Okay, Lorenzo Alexander

680
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: isn't here, Ron Wolfley isn't here. Okay, there's no Drew

681
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: Standing or KVB or Rob Frederickson. So here I go.

682
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: Defenses not only did they use that mush rush approach,

683
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: but they went with a lot of five down linemen.

684
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: So now the Cardinals offensive line could no longer go

685
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: in these sort of combo blocks, and it made every

686
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: single offensive lineman have to single block their guy. Mason

687
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: Cole wasn't up to it. That was a liability. He

688
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: was getting blown off the ball, put on skates and

689
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: driven into the backfield, which was very problematic for your

690
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: five foot ten quarterback, and it messed up a lot

691
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: of place. So now, when you talk about personnel versus

692
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: the XS and os, what is a coach supposed to

693
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: do about that? If your center is a liability every

694
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: single snap, and that's how defenses have adjusted, there's not

695
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: a lot you can do and get a new center

696
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: other than sending a fullback screaming into the A gap.

697
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, you know, And a lot of

698
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: people thought Lamont Guilliard should have been the guy down

699
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: the stretch A year ago, I had some injury issues,

700
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: but I got a plenty of those texts from some

701
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: of those Armshare quarterbacks asking why Lamont Guilliard wasn't in

702
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: And I just said, like, pipe down, you know who

703
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: you are out there, and so now you have Rodney

704
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 1: Hudson in there, and you are hopeful you have solved

705
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: that problem that now your center is an anchor an

706
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: he's stout, and defenses won't be able to take that approach.

707
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: So these are all some of the wrinkles in layers.

708
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: How this year leads it, last year leads into this year.

709
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: I think you know, I'm in my twenty plus years

710
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: of covering this team. I've been around poor teams, and

711
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: I've been around poor teams that when we were at

712
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: this point I knew was a poor team. This is

713
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 1: not it. This team absolutely has the capability of winning

714
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: the division. It absolutely has the capability of getting to

715
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: the playoffs. And I don't want to ever make it

716
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: sound like it doesn't. And I think these are some

717
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: of the reasons, as you were just pointing out, and

718
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: some of the things they fixed. Now again we're going

719
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: to talk about it. Anytime you start talking about what's

720
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: going to happen during the season. Injuries are the first thing.

721
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: If you don't stay healthy, especially at certain spots, you're

722
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: probably screwed. And so that's going to be a big deal.

723
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 1: But the ability is there. Now. Does that mean they

724
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: are definitely winning twelve games. No. Does that mean they

725
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: don't have the capability of ending with seven or eight wins? No.

726
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: I mean they have a tougher schedule in my opinion,

727
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: and and we're going to see how this plays out.

728
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: But this team is capable now. The question is can

729
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: they take that step whether it's some of the coaching

730
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: parts of it that we talked about, or whether it's

731
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,479
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray taking that step up, whether it's the running

732
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 1: game Felipe was talking about, whether it's the inside lamback

733
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 1: or whatever you want to talk about. I mean, that's

734
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: what The ability is there. The possibility is there. That

735
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: doesn't guarantee anything. Can we agree that a lot of

736
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: the season is going to depend on Kyler Murray's performance

737
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: on the field, where whether he's I mean, if he

738
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: stays healthy down the stretch and he can continue being versatile.

739
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a big reason why Cliff Kingsbury

740
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: couldn't get you know, creative offensively down the stretch in

741
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: the last five weeks because he was trying to protect

742
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: this quarterback is you know, franchise quarterback. If that's why

743
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: I like the Rodney Hudson addition. You know, in my

744
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: two years three years of covering the team, since you

745
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: guys like to like to glow, I tend to go

746
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: to the people that play the game the game. So

747
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: I went to Rolando KNTU, an ex Arizona Cardinal offensive lineman,

748
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: and I asked him, Yo, what does Ronnie Hudson do

749
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: for the Arizona Cardinals And he basically said, Man, he's

750
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: all about timing. And I feel like the more years

751
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: you play in the NFL, it all becomes timing. So

752
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: if you're you know, down the stretch, Mason Cole had

753
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: a couple of penalties, you know, in crucial games that

754
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: ended up not paying off for there was Arizona Cardinals.

755
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,959
Speaker 1: So the fact that you added Rodney Hudson, that means

756
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: more protection for Kyler Murray. That means less possible possibility

757
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: of getting hurt down the stretch, and that means the

758
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: finale is he can continue to perform at the level

759
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: that he was performing in those first ten weeks of

760
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: the season last year. So I personally think that a

761
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: lot of it's gonna come down to Kyler Murray's performance,

762
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: and that's why I feel that the pressure is on

763
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: him the most. I'm gonna put Darren on the spot

764
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: because I walked into the press conference a little bit late,

765
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: and when I walked in, it was Cliff Kingsbury talking

766
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: about Rodney Hudson and how quickly he's adapted to the offense.

767
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: Is that was that the gist of it. It was

768
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 1: the tempo of the offense, tempo okay, actually going okay.

769
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: And you know what, I'll say this in defense of

770
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: Zaving Collins. There is no tougher offense to you try

771
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: and get a defense ready for than the Arizona Cardinals

772
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: in practice because there is no ref over the ball,

773
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: there's no one regulate it, and the Cardinals are on

774
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: the ball ridiculously quick as an offense when they're going

775
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: eleven on eleven. Eight is play after play after play

776
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 1: in succession. Here we go, here we go, and you've

777
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: got a rookie middle linebacker and it's swimming, and you

778
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: know what, Week one, at least I believe in terms

779
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: of setting the defense, making the calls, getting the guys

780
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: in the right position, will be infinitely easier than training

781
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: camp because of the offense he was going against in

782
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: those live sessions. Because the Titans aren't gonna go at

783
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: that clip. Nobody's gonna go that fast. So honestly, I

784
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: think Zaven Collins might be breathing a little bit easier

785
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: come September twelfth, just based on the fact that, hey,

786
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: I do have a little more time to think out

787
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: here before they snap the ball. When they give the

788
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: ball to Derek Henry. That might all come to say.

789
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: I wonder what he's thinking at the liner when he's

790
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: setting up and he sees a guy that's his height,

791
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: his built about to get the hands out in front

792
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: of the mirror. Again. Yeah, I was just interviewing Davin,

793
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: so it came to my mind, Um, I wonder how

794
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: what's gonna go through your head when you see Derrick

795
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: Henry across from you and he's You're the same size

796
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: and the same built and everything. So, I mean, did

797
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: you simulate a Derrick Henry's stiff arm was zaban and

798
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: see how he'd attack the stiff arm like you know,

799
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: boom throw him a stiff arm and then see how

800
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: he grabs it and rips away my stiff arm compared

801
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: to Derrick Henry's. I mean, I think they probably they're

802
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: probably at the same level. Right, If I would have

803
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: tried to stiff arm Zavin, he would have been liked ding.

804
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: That's you know where Henry like here, Since it's week

805
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: one and I'm gonna give you guys a flaming Skip

806
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: Bayless hot take here right off the right. I mean,

807
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: it's about time here on Cardinals Underground, brought to you

808
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: by Pacific Office Automation. You're ready for this one. The

809
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: best thing that will happen to the Arizona Cardinals in

810
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: terms of a week one outcome that will serve them

811
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: the best in twenty twenty one would be a three

812
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 1: point loss. A team that got over at skis start

813
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: feeling itself, start smelling itself, said, hey, we've arrived. How

814
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: many guys have talked about it either openly admitted it.

815
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: That's what happened as a team and was part of

816
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: the problem down the stretch that maybe the attention to

817
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: detail might have waned. We've arrived a lot of guys

818
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,479
Speaker 1: learned that less than the hard way. So I'm gonna

819
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: say absolutely not if they were. Look if it's a

820
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: hot take, if you're twelve and two, maybe a three

821
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: point loss, it would be good out of the box

822
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: giving away a win that you could have had. Not

823
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they would have given it away, but

824
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: saying it would be better if they lost. Hell no,

825
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: hell no. Was the twenty sixteen they came out of

826
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: the gates and they lost at the very end to

827
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Speaker 1: New England right at home. And remember Baynight fotby b

828
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: A never stopped talking about that loss the entire season.

829
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: It cost him. They got off the rails right out

830
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: of the box, it did, and everyone's sort of dismissed.

831
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: And they should have won that game. That absolutely, That

832
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: was the Brandon Williams game. Yes, where he gave up

833
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 1: where he missed the field goal. Is that when Jimmy

834
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: g started that game? Yes, yes, yes, that because Tom

835
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 1: Brady was out the first four games because of the

836
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: flake Gate, right, think about that, he had to serve

837
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: a four game suspension producing flake Gate. Think of some

838
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: of the other stuff that's transpired and hasn't been penalized

839
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: nearly as punitively as as that that's that was lopsided

840
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: to In retrospect, that was pretty ridiculous. There's no doubt

841
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: about it. Here's the other thing about the game on Sunday,

842
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: crowd noise. Cardinals have actually worked with crowd noise. They've

843
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: had to work on the silent account, something they didn't

844
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: have to do last year. In fact, on his TV show,

845
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: we asked Cliff Kingsbury about it and I said, coach,

846
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: no more of yelling out adjustments right before the snap.

847
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: And he laughed and he said, yeah, he said, I

848
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: sort of had the luxury last year yelling a few

849
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: things out to my receivers who were on my side

850
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: of the field right before the snap. Based on the coverage,

851
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: it feels though that's a that's a coach thing, Like

852
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: a coach is like, oh, that's a bummer. I can't

853
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: do it. I think players absolutely, even on road games,

854
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: they would rather have a round. Oh yeah, no, we

855
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: were joking about it. It is something and you know what, Darren,

856
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: you tell me, but oh, I will Paul these road games.

857
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: I mean when you go to Carolina and yeah they

858
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: were minus Buddha Bager, but I mean there was zero

859
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: energy on that Remember we talked about it last year.

860
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: What was it, B YOE bring your own energy? Okay,

861
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: not B y O B bring your own beer byoe,

862
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: bring your own energy. And that was a necessity for

863
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: these road games. They went to New York twice, eighty

864
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: thousand empty seats at Medlife Stadium, and Carolina was absolutely

865
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: dead in week four and the Cardinals were dead. They

866
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: didn't have a pulse, especially in defense. And a lot

867
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: of the dynamic on the road is US against the world.

868
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: And I know they're highly paid professionals and they're supposed

869
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: to bring the same amount of intensity and urgency to

870
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: the workplace every Sunday. I get it, but that's not reality.

871
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: They're human. So there's a reason why the Arizona Cardinals

872
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: play real well at Seattle because the moment they walk

873
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: into that building, the twelves are yelling and spitting and

874
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: snorting and throwing stuff and saying this about your mother,

875
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: and and pretty soon all of a sudden, guess what,

876
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: there's no chance I'm going to go through the motions

877
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: today because that guy, that jerk and row two saying

878
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: stuff about my mom. This one's for him. And then

879
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: they come in with full intensity. That was lacking last year,

880
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: Pop B Wild b has bring your own bottle, Bring

881
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: your own bottle now, No, come on, as a guy

882
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: who enjoys a pale ale, it's always bring your own beer.

883
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: The guy that you know what prefer the bottle over

884
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: you know what, bring your own bottle. I'm a jack

885
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: and coke type of guy. That's all cap. It's cap

886
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: it's cap he is. There's certain things you don't mess with. Okay.

887
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: The byob is always, always has been, always will be

888
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: bring your own beer, bring your own body. We can

889
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: we can set up on Twitter and whatnot. But I

890
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: was I always thinking about that again, thinking going back

891
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: to last season when the Cardinals went to visit the

892
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: Seahawks on Thursday night of football and just how out

893
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 1: of sync and going through the motions that they looked

894
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 1: on that specific game, because the twelves weren't necessarily there,

895
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: So it does make a difference, thank you. Look, I

896
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: being at the Seattle Stadium, there was nothing weirder last year,

897
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: And I think I've talked about this before. There's nothing

898
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: weirder last year than being at that stadium at night

899
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: and having nobody in the building and having people yell

900
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: out and It just reminded me so much of watching

901
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: some youth practice, whether it's football or soccer or baseball,

902
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: where you're in the night sky so that you get

903
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: that little bit more of an echo when it's at

904
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: night and you have people yelling at each other and

905
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: you know, guys screaming and trying to get under each

906
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: other's skin, and you could hear it loud and clear

907
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: because there's nobody in the building. I mean, I've you know,

908
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: we didn't get to go to Tennessee last year, so

909
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what that would have been like. But

910
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, it is going to be interesting, and it's look,

911
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: the whole thing is going to be interesting as we

912
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: go out. I mean, Cliff Kingsbury was saying this week

913
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: that you kind of have to deal with it. But

914
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: at this point, you it's always going to be hanging

915
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,959
Speaker 1: over everybody's head, like are we gonna get a COVID

916
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: test positive or we're gonna lose a player? You know,

917
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: there's the people are back in the building. But the

918
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: reality is for those that don't haven't necessarily seen this.

919
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: The rules for teams and players and people like us,

920
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: they haven't been dialed back all the way to where

921
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: they were last year. But they're a lot closer than

922
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: we thought we were going to be about three months ago,

923
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: and that if COVID doesn't get more under control, there's

924
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: always a chance it's going to start getting dialed back.

925
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be with the fans themselves, but

926
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: the rest of it might might might get a little

927
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: bit closer to that. And that is still also hanging

928
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: over our heads, and that would be really weird too

929
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: if we got to a point where, you know, you

930
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: started doing something with some of the crowds other than

931
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: full boat. But I mean, it does I mean to

932
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: me being seeing some of those scenes over the weekend

933
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: for college football and seeing some of those crazy student

934
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: sections where everybody's together and nobody's mass and I know

935
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 1: there's gonna be people listening to this getting all angry

936
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: and yelling at their all the recording right now. Why

937
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: Darren even cares about this? And masks don't work, blah

938
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: blah blah. But you know, it sounds like you're in

939
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: favor of going back to daily testing. I'm not. No,

940
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm not, trust me, I'm not in favor of going

941
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: back to daily testing. Daily testing was enough for me.

942
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: But I understand the people that are arguing that and this,

943
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: and the reality is this isn't necessarily getting a lot better,

944
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: and there is this variant out there, and you know,

945
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: I'm just keeping with the subject. You know, everybody can

946
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: say it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.

947
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: And even though if you're a fan and you think

948
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: none of this matters, well you're gonna care if Kyler

949
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: Murray missed is a game or two because he tests positive.

950
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: Even even if he you know, you're gonna I'll learn Felipe.

951
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: I don't believe in that stuff, so I don't really care.

952
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, so well we'll see. So are you saying

953
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: we need to pack our end ninety five masks for

954
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 1: the plane? Well, I'm saying, first of all, Paul, we

955
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: all know that you would put yourself in saran wrap

956
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: if you could, so I'm not worried about you. Well,

957
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: seated next to Wolfley for twenty years, I was the

958
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: one guy who's already wearing a D ninety five masks

959
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: before March or twenty twenty. So leave it at that.

960
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: So let's see COVID. Okay. Yeah. Jordan Phillips, another constant

961
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: on the I R again, so we don't expect that,

962
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 1: and then we can't actually start the first Cardinals regular

963
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: season since two thousand and three without Larry Fitzgerald without

964
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 1: mentioning fits, and of course, the TV producers A Channel

965
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 1: twelve found a way to shoehorn Fits into the roundtable discussion.

966
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 1: Here was the question. I haven't heard this question posed before.

967
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: You guys ready for this, I'm posing it to you now.

968
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: Should Larry Fitzgerald play in two twenty one? Felippe go,

969
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: I think that's the first time I've heard that question.

970
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: Should you know he plays? So now we're not only

971
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: trying to figure out if he's gonna play, but now

972
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: we're actually trying to dictate his life. Put down the

973
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 1: driver and the pitching wage and the hybrid three would

974
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: should he play football in two twenty one? One of

975
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,479
Speaker 1: these days, when Darren isn't necessarily paying attention to his phone,

976
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just go take Larry Fisher's contact and text

977
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: him and call him myself. See if he actually answers

978
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: and knows who I am. Do you think I have

979
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,479
Speaker 1: the credentials of a Darren Urban No, not even close.

980
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: You see, he's he's quibbling over here. He's trying to

981
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: differ away from the question. He's trying to either buy

982
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: himself to time or just avoid the question altogether. How

983
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: do you answer that question for anybody? Here's here's a

984
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: better question. Here's a better question, because I don't know

985
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: if we can sit here and say should he play?

986
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: Because I mean, you're talking about I don't care who

987
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: if it's Larry Fitzgerald or Kyler Murray if you're sitting

988
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: there saying yeah, he should play when it's not our

989
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: bodies on the line out there. So here's my question.

990
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Barry Sanders should have played back in the

991
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: day and he walked away. Can I say that? Okay,

992
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: here's my question. If we're gonna play, should should If

993
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: Larry's not going to play, should Larry Fitzgerald say he's retired? Oh? Yes,

994
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: this this is a little bit more I understand. Do

995
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: you guys think it puts the organization in a awkward position? Why?

996
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: I mean, let's say in November they're in playoff contention

997
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: and he's like, okay, I want to come back. Do

998
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: you think that's going to happen? I think honestly, I mean,

999
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, obviously you guys know better than me. But

1000
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: if I was Larry Fitzgerald six to four, you know,

1001
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: to twenty to twenty five, and I have a chance

1002
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: to make it to the playoffs one last time and potentially,

1003
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: you know, win a Super Bowl, ring and whatnot, I

1004
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: would consider it. I mean again, it's it's me, like

1005
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: you said, we're not the ones putting putting our bodies.

1006
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: I've said this a million times one. I don't think

1007
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: he's coming back too. I think the reason he's not

1008
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: saying it is because I and he said something this

1009
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 1: week on his radio show that kind of I feel

1010
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: backed me up a little bit when he's when Jim

1011
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: Gray asked him, how are you handling not playing this

1012
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: game anymore? And he basically said, I'm not really mentally

1013
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: I haven't really I'm paraphrasing, but I haven't really mentally

1014
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: gotten my head around that yet. I'm not considering that yet,

1015
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: which tells me, yeah, I'm not playing anymore, but I'm

1016
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: not I'm not willing to go there and say the

1017
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: words I'm not playing anymore. In fact, the rest of

1018
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: that answer even underscored it even harder for me, because

1019
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: then he started talking about I still love watching the game.

1020
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: I still love watching my kid play the game. No, no, no, no,

1021
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: no no. We're not talking about whether you enjoy football.

1022
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: We're asking you, if you miss how are you dealing

1023
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: with not playing? So to me, he is struggling with that.

1024
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's coming back. I think you

1025
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: talk about knowing somebody can I can? I stop you

1026
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: right there? He keeps using the two words right now

1027
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: to weeks ago when he said I don't feel the

1028
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: urge right now, and then this time around, and I

1029
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: think it's I think the quote is in your story

1030
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: and asy Colonel's Dog, he said I feel content right now.

1031
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: He keeps using right now. Isn't that a qualifier for okay?

1032
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: That might change, Yes, But I think it's a qualifier

1033
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: for that. It might change so that he because if

1034
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: he doesn't say right now, if he just says I'm content,

1035
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: everybody's going to assume he's retired. And I don't think

1036
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: he wants to say those words right now. It's two

1037
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: sides of the same point. I suppose we're just, you know,

1038
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: we're looking at the opposite things I see him as saying.

1039
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: If I keep saying right now, right now, nobody can

1040
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: say I'm retired. I'm retired in my head. But if

1041
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: I say right now, they're going to have to keep guessing,

1042
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: and ultimately you say how we know them? And I

1043
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: do feel like football wise, I do feel like I

1044
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: know Larry Fitzgerald fairly well. I probably Paul would feel

1045
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: the same way. And he said this a couple of

1046
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: weeks to go when he said he didn't have the urge.

1047
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: At one point somebody said, if you come back. I

1048
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: think Jim Gray said, you know, you come back to

1049
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: chase the Lombardi Trophy, and he very specifically said, look,

1050
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: would I come back to win a Lombardi Yes, but

1051
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: that's not why you would come back. You come back

1052
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: for the process. You come back for the work to

1053
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: get the Lombardi Trophy. I'm sorry, coming back in late November,

1054
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: coming back in the first round of the playoffs, that's

1055
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: not respecting the process to get the Lombardi Trophy. And

1056
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: I just don't see Larry as that guy. I see Larry,

1057
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: and I could be wrong, and Larry might text me

1058
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 1: at some point when he obviously listens to Cardinals Underground

1059
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: and says, you're so off base. Darreon but I don't

1060
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: see Larry is the guy who's would be willing to

1061
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: put on a ring for playing for a team for

1062
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: a month and being the fifth receiver or whatever it

1063
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: might be. I don't see him as that guy. I

1064
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: don't think he wants to be that dude. I don't

1065
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: think he's Drew Stanton jumping on. All due respect to

1066
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: Drew Stanton, I appreciate the fact you guy, and you're

1067
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: in a whole different world. But like you know, Drew

1068
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: stant last year gets on the practice squad and gets

1069
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: a ring and everything Earl Watford and I wouldn't blame them.

1070
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: I would do that. I don't know if Fits does that.

1071
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 1: And let's face it, if this team wins the Super

1072
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: Bowl this year, he's getting a ring. I guarantee one.

1073
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: Michael Bidwell buys him a ring, just like the Colts

1074
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: did with Edrin James after he left the Colts and

1075
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: they won and played for the Cardinals and they gave

1076
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: him a Super Bowl ring. He gets a ring that way,

1077
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: and I think in a lot of ways, coming back

1078
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: with three weeks left in the season, Fitz sees it

1079
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: the same kind of way. All right, here, I'll run,

1080
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: I'll run the nohuddle on Larry. Here's the thing, though,

1081
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with all you said, but I did

1082
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: not see a guy last year who grew to despise

1083
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: the grind. And that's usually where it starts. It's the

1084
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: guys who can't stand Monday through Saturday. Everybody loves game day.

1085
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: He just can't take the build up, the preparation. I

1086
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: didn't see that guy last year. And Larry, even with

1087
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: haul the COVID protocols and the high degree of difficulty

1088
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,439
Speaker 1: with everything, I didn't see a guy who was sick

1089
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: of the game. If you were to tell me that.

1090
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: The Arizona Cardinals called him and said, guess what, You're

1091
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: going to be the number three receiver and you're gonna

1092
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: get seventy targets this year. That moved the meter. That

1093
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: and the fact that maybe they have to sweeten the offer,

1094
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: so they got to make it. Because I do not

1095
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: see Larry coming back to be that fifth receiver. I

1096
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,439
Speaker 1: agree with you on that. Just a guy who gets

1097
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: twenty snaps a game and maybe you know a handful

1098
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: of targets per month. He doesn't want to be that guy.

1099
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 1: On the other hand, if a team like Minnesota and

1100
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: I am knocking on wood if an Adam Fieland goes

1101
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: down on Sunday and all of a sudden they got

1102
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: a big spot and they didn't a big name and

1103
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: they get and there's gonna be a guy who's gonna

1104
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: have a big role. Larry would think about that. I

1105
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: believe I will spend five minutes getting a giving Paul

1106
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: Calvc a mal culp if Larry Fitzgerald signs any other team.

1107
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 1: You don't have time for that because you're wearing another

1108
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 1: microphone right now, which means you have you're gonna go

1109
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: multimedia moments from now. So the only guy I've seen

1110
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: wearing the lava leer mike for TV and with the

1111
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: radio and look, should Larry come back? Um, you can't

1112
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: really answer that. Nobody can answer that for another person.

1113
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't be shocked. I really wouldn't. He's seen

1114
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: other guys do it. He's seen the Dwight Freeny's of

1115
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: the world come in in the middle of September even

1116
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: October and guess what, It's a long season. And if

1117
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinal suffers some sort of injury, you know,

1118
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,760
Speaker 1: epidemic and the receiver room, he's getting a call. Okay,

1119
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I mean, circumstances, if they change,

1120
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: could change. But you know, as it stands right now,

1121
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: I don't see it. I don't see it, Tampa, right

1122
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: you're looking at me, Philippe. You're saying, he's going to

1123
00:55:55,640 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: he's going. I know every we got that es PN

1124
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: going between us. You know that's good. I was thinking

1125
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 1: of uncle Uncle Boose over there, and because you know

1126
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 1: what happened. But you know what, cousin Tommy, the fact

1127
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: that he hasn't brought himself to say the R word. Okay,

1128
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: let's just I mean, I do remember, and I shouldn't

1129
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: say this because Felipe is going to be all over it,

1130
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: but I do remember having a hard time saying the

1131
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: word forty. When I turned forty, I had a hard

1132
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: time saying the five letter F word. I mean, I

1133
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: was thirty nine years old and like eighteen months okay,

1134
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: I would not say the word forty, and it just

1135
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: it took a while. Even though even though I was

1136
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: most definitely forty, I had a hard time saying it.

1137
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: So even though he might most definitely be retired, he

1138
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 1: just can't say it. So you're just making my point, right,

1139
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's it's very plausible, very possible.

1140
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: I just want about it. I want to see one

1141
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: last Larry ch State Farm Stadium. That's selfishly, that's one

1142
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: of the biggest When he goes into the Ring of Honor,

1143
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: that's not the same though, It's not the same as

1144
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: coming out of the tunnel and eybody screaming Larry. He

1145
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: would be he would still be the last one to

1146
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: come out of the tunnel. He would still get the

1147
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: Larry chance. As just as you know, if I pull

1148
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: the curtain back, and I know, take it from the

1149
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: look of a of a fan, I would want to

1150
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: see him come out of the tunnel. I would want

1151
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: to hear those chances. I would want to see him.

1152
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: That's all true. But again, yeah, if the fan wants

1153
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: to that's great that the fans want that. I appreciate that.

1154
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: I think we all you know, we love the pop

1155
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: and circumstance. That's one of the reasons he doesn't want

1156
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: to do it is he didn't want to go through that.

1157
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: He'll get it when he's inducted into the Ring of Honor.

1158
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: So he'd even if he announced he's retiring today, he'd

1159
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: get it by the end of the season because they'd

1160
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: inducted to remember, one percent agree with that, So, which

1161
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: might be another reason why he's not saying anything. It

1162
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: is because he knows they'll turn around and want him

1163
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: to come right now and do something you know you could. Hell,

1164
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: if he announced his retirement today, they might turn around

1165
00:57:58,040 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: and do it for the Minnesota game, the home opener.

1166
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: You're right, you're right, but don't forget. And this is

1167
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: the brutal reality his last moment on an NFL field.

1168
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: We'll probably be walking off Week seventeen, a miserable, dismal

1169
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: loss to the La Rams in an empty Sofi stadium,

1170
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: and he's walking off in sweats. He was a DNP

1171
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: and so is that really the way Larry wants to end?

1172
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: But my argument would be, and we could do a

1173
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: whole podcast just on this, and we're gonna get too long,

1174
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say this, if that really stuck with

1175
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: him as much as it would have with me, as

1176
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: much as you're taught saying it would, why didn't he

1177
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: just come back? If he comes back, they don't sign

1178
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: aj Green, Probably they might draft Frondale more but they

1179
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: don't sign aj Green. I wouldn't think and we're not

1180
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: talking about this, and he's getting targets because he was

1181
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: he was there, Like, let's make no miss take. I

1182
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: understand what you're talking about with the targets, but I

1183
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: don't see it. There are being a situation where the

1184
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: season ended last year and Larry went in and they're like, Okay,

1185
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: we don't know what you want to do next year,

1186
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: but if you come back, you're our fifth receiver. So

1187
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: moll that before you think about resigning. That didn't happen,

1188
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,439
Speaker 1: no way. So the only way it unfolds this way

1189
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: is because Larry chose to have it unfold this way.

1190
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: And that's why I don't think he ever plays again.

1191
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: The only thing I quipped with Arry, do you think

1192
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: you really got a satisfactory amount of targets last year,

1193
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: especially the last two months of the year. Didn't that

1194
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: dry up? It just seemed like it. I don't have

1195
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: the numbers in front of me. I mean like he

1196
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: wasn't a very big part of the kamekill. We be honest,

1197
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: did anybody get I mean the offense the last down

1198
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: the stretch. If you start talking about down the stretch.

1199
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: The offense overall was right. Who did stand out? I

1200
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: mean there was there was a couple of games where

1201
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins only had like two or three catches and

1202
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: it was like, what happened here? That's true? That's true? Okay,

1203
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: Uh final words, anybody, Uh now is your time up?

1204
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: You have any uh you know, regular season park proclamations

1205
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: you want to get on the records because you think

1206
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna look good too three four months from now,

1207
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: anything you want to throw out there, and speaking into existence, Felipe,

1208
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: you're nodding. Two things. I enjoy hearing you guys debate

1209
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: about Fitzgerald. You know, have you guys covered him throughout

1210
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: his career. So that's why I just sit back and

1211
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: let you guys go at. Sometimes being old has its privileges,

1212
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: has a lot of with with age comes when wisdom right.

1213
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: That's something my mama would always tell me about. But

1214
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: before we wrap up the segment, I do want to

1215
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: give a shout out to all the producers and directors

1216
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: that worked on our Folk Tales project that is uh

1217
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Speaker 1: going out tonight the first episode of the Pat Tillman

1218
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Speaker 1: Locker episode Wednesday Night, and everybody that's worked on the

1219
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: multitude of episodes and podcasts surrounding podcast surrounding the stories,

1220
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: stories everything folk tales related from producers, so writers and reporters.

1221
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's been a pleasure watching them and behind

1222
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: the scenes put in the hours and their research and

1223
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: the resources just to get a very a full episode

1224
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: of folktos. And there's gonna be ten of these episodes

1225
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: of if I'm not mistaken, there eleven of these episodes.

1226
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: So tune in Folktos on Arizona Cardinals YouTube channel. You

1227
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: don't want to miss it. So I'll do what I

1228
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: do best and I'll play the dumb guy folk tales.

1229
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: It's going to be some of the all time best

1230
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: anecdotes in stories and Cardinals history. That's what you tell

1231
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals history without story, Paul Boom, There you go.

1232
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: I love it. The play on words. There's going to

1233
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: be the visuals, the video, the documentary essentially. Yeah, there's

1234
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: going to be the written story. I'll be on the

1235
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. There's on a Cardinals YouTube channel. Like Felipe said, okay,

1236
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: written story on asy Cardinals dot com. You will find

1237
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: the written story and a podcast put together by you

1238
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: and Jim Ojandro and then we'll also have a photo

1239
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: gay and those all live. The video will be saying YouTube,

1240
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: but you can also find it embedded in the story

1241
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: on the website. So there's there's lots of content to

1242
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: put in. This week is the legendary Locker, which is

1243
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: Pat Tillman. As we approach the twentieth anniversary of nine

1244
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: to eleven, he will his story and saving the locker again.

1245
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: Jimal Mohundro coming up big as people will see when

1246
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: they see the video and read this story and uh

1247
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: and listen to the podcast and and we have, like

1248
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: Felipe said, eleven in these episodes that will unfold throughout

1249
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: the season. The last one I think is scheduled right

1250
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: now for the week of Christmas the Colts games. So

1251
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: every every week or couple of weeks, you'll you'll see

1252
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: new ones and you can't miss it. We will definitely

1253
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: promote them. So we don't want to hear any of

1254
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: the small change stuff about what do you Cardinals media

1255
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: guys doing the off season. Let me tell you it

1256
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: was a heavy lift this offseason. Okay, You're going to

1257
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: see dozens of interviews in person interviews and over zoom.

1258
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: We had a trackdown some of the all time legendary

1259
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: names and figures in Cardinals history. There's one on one interviews.

1260
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: You're gonna hear their insights. I mean it was you know,

1261
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: I know, Zach Allen and Lecky Foetu and Richard Lawrence

1262
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: and Michael Dogg. We think they had a big off season.

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Speaker 1: They're doing the hot yoga. You know what the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: media department, man, that's true. Why don't you guys name

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Speaker 1: drop some of these interviewees, you know, you guys that know,

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Speaker 1: because Darren's got to do a TV hit here and

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Speaker 1: we wouldn't have enough time. Carlos Dansby, Oh yeah, Rod

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Speaker 1: Grays made an appearance. We got some Vince Tobin Um

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Speaker 1: trying to think of some of the other bertram Berry obviously,

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Speaker 1: Gabe Watson talked to h Robert Griffith, I mean, Kevin Butler.

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Speaker 1: We tracked down for the goal posts. Sanders was great,

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Speaker 1: Larry Centers was great, Rashaw Johnson, George Power. He's just

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Speaker 1: showing off. Now you know all these people, all these

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Speaker 1: players that he's known serious FaceTime for the Summers of yeah,

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Speaker 1: Ken Summers and Darren Irbant was fantastic. Mark Dalton and

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Speaker 1: Ken Summers might be the the low key uh stars

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Speaker 1: of this show No Cap because I think they know

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Speaker 1: how to deliver the sound bites for these kind of documentaries.

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed. I know, I know that's completely biased,

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Speaker 1: but I'm going to say that once again, no cap

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Speaker 1: equals good. So we'll leave it there. When I look

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Speaker 1: back at the end of the season and people ask me,

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Speaker 1: you know, what was your favorite part of of the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one season, I'm always gonna be like, my

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Speaker 1: favorite part of the season. My highlight was teaching Paul

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Speaker 1: and Darren what cabin. First of all, I knew Darren

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Speaker 1: already knew it. Darren already knew a cabin no cap man,

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Speaker 1: But the fact needed Filippe to give me the permission

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Speaker 1: to use it. But the fact that Paul even used it.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's my third episode. I'm open and receptive

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Speaker 1: to a degree. All Right, there's oh way you're gonna

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Speaker 1: tell me b yob is bring your own bottle. It's

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Speaker 1: always gonna be bring your own beer. This is today's youth.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to debate it. They just want to

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Speaker 1: throw a pole out there on social media. That's what

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Speaker 1: I mean. That's why I draw the line. That's the

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Speaker 1: end of Cardinals Underground. Brought to you by a Pacific

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Speaker 1: Office automation. Get off my lawn.