Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 2: I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are you
Speaker 2: a Charlotte. We are back for the second time with
Speaker 2: Mario Cantone, which is so fantastic because this is your
Speaker 2: first episode on the air.
Speaker 1: It is it is? I always thought it was episode twelve,
Speaker 1: but it's not. It's episode eleven.
Speaker 2: I know, and it's called Running with Scissors. But I
Speaker 2: think the reason you might have thought it was twelve
Speaker 2: was because we shot two at once, as we always did, right,
Speaker 2: because in my mind I remember the other Vera Wang
Speaker 2: where the girls are there, like there's two Vera Wang visits,
Speaker 2: but we shot them in one day.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. And I remember I came in at
Speaker 1: three in the afternoon. Wow, And I was in.
Speaker 3: An off Broadway show at the time.
Speaker 1: Got it. Yeah, it was called The Crumple Zone and
Speaker 1: it was ran for like six months of us. It
Speaker 1: did really well, got great reviews. And I remember that
Speaker 1: particular night was one of our tech nights.
Speaker 4: Oh no, and they work to let me out.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you can get someone else to
Speaker 1: stand here while you, like for an evening because I'm
Speaker 1: going definitely, And I went for sure.
Speaker 2: So wait if you came in at three in the afternoon.
Speaker 1: Maybe we don't you remember we filmed till four and
Speaker 1: the fortnight.
Speaker 2: I do remember that it was stressful and long, and
Speaker 2: I remember that our our executive from HBO came and
Speaker 2: sat across from us and glared at us. I mean,
Speaker 2: not that it was our fault, but like, just let
Speaker 2: it be known that we were over budget. Uh huh. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was one of those days. There's only a few
Speaker 2: Michael Hill. Michael Hill came and I remember that because
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, he never comes. Oh no, but
Speaker 2: I think it was expensive to shoot him.
Speaker 1: Vera Wang probably wasn't. It was so small, remember how
Speaker 1: small it was tiny?
Speaker 2: It was hard to film there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also that evening was my husband's opening night
Speaker 1: of an off Broadway show. He was in, Wow, It's
Speaker 1: called Bubbly Black Girl sheds her Familion skin, and I did.
Speaker 1: I couldn't go. Yeah no, but I remember, uh yeah,
Speaker 1: we we we you we talked about this last time
Speaker 1: and you didn't remember it. I'm sure you remember it
Speaker 1: now because I told you last time. But there was
Speaker 1: a second scene.
Speaker 2: Oh I still I still only have the vaguus memory.
Speaker 2: What was it?
Speaker 1: It was?
Speaker 3: It was us, you know where we were sitting and
Speaker 3: looking at the dresses.
Speaker 1: There was a little room.
Speaker 3: In the in the back of that with the door.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we were in the dressing room and I
Speaker 1: was fitting you and trying to cut something with the scissors,
Speaker 1: and I ended up ripping the.
Speaker 2: Dress, which is really interesting because it's running with scissors
Speaker 2: is the title of this episode.
Speaker 1: And we just glad you glared at me and I
Speaker 1: was just like, oh and that was the end of
Speaker 1: that scene. And that was the end of that Oh wow.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that had stayed in If we had,
Speaker 1: we would have come back and become friends.
Speaker 2: I mean, I assume that they loved you so much
Speaker 2: that they didn't want there to be a negative thing.
Speaker 2: But maybe also feel this episode has so much plot
Speaker 2: in it for everyone else, like really, it's.
Speaker 1: A lot in the thing, and oh yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 2: It's so much that I feel, you know, there were times,
Speaker 2: I mean, this has always been true for us. We
Speaker 2: over overshoot, right, we always have too much, and then
Speaker 2: we have taken shoot always.
Speaker 1: Oh look, don't get me started on just like that.
Speaker 1: There were two scenes of ours two this last season
Speaker 1: that we're cut no way. Oh yes, remember the remember
Speaker 1: the one in the in the the bakery, and it
Speaker 1: was after the puppet thing, and I said to you,
Speaker 1: I need to I need to talk about the puppet more.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I was this old guy glaring
Speaker 1: at him and you were like well and I was like,
Speaker 1: don't look at me like that A great scene and
Speaker 1: it got cut. Oh and then there was a scene
Speaker 1: with the red rooster between me and you before I
Speaker 1: apologized to carry Oh, yeah, was cut, which I was
Speaker 1: furious about.
Speaker 3: The bridge to me apologizing.
Speaker 2: Right right right, I remember that. I remember that. But
Speaker 2: we always overfilm. We always overfilm. And one time I
Speaker 2: said to Michael Patrick, I said, couldn't we cut from
Speaker 2: the read through so that we don't because we're always
Speaker 2: just really basically killing ourselves to get everything filmed. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and also we spend a lot of money getting everything filmed.
Speaker 2: And he said no, because I don't know in the
Speaker 2: edit what's going to work.
Speaker 1: He doesn't, Yeah, he doesn't know.
Speaker 2: But let me just say this about you. When I
Speaker 2: watched this first episode, because obviously I hadn't watched this
Speaker 2: episode in you know, thirty years or whatever it is,
Speaker 2: twenty five years, you are just a breath of fresh air.
Speaker 2: Like your energy. You're just like a blast of energy.
Speaker 2: It's so refreshing and exciting, like you're a note that
Speaker 2: we didn't have in the ensemble. Yeah, do you feel
Speaker 2: that when you watch it?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I watch it, I was like, wow, this, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just it's funny, it's good. I just it works,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I I feel that I was.
Speaker 1: I'm happy with.
Speaker 2: It when I walked definitely, right, I mean you're so
Speaker 2: young also, like it's so funny to look at you
Speaker 2: and me obviously do but I mean were little children.
Speaker 2: I don't think I felt like a little child back then.
Speaker 1: You mean you didn't, right, neither did I. We felt
Speaker 1: like we were you know, I mean.
Speaker 2: Adult, we were. You know, but.
Speaker 1: That was two thousand. That was we filmed that ninety nine.
Speaker 2: No, I think we filmed it in two thousand because
Speaker 2: it's it near to August twentieth, so we would have
Speaker 2: filmed it earlier in the summer.
Speaker 4: You know. It brings up I was I was forty
Speaker 4: years old.
Speaker 2: No, you look like you're twenty or twenty five.
Speaker 1: My god, it just turned sixty six last week.
Speaker 2: Congradually, she said, like God, it was your birthday.
Speaker 1: Sixty six, one more six and I'm the Sign of
Speaker 1: the Devil. That's right.
Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing I was thinking to when
Speaker 2: I'm watching, because I remember that you used to always feel,
Speaker 2: you know, you have like a nervousness about your work,
Speaker 2: which is always kind of adorable. That still still remains, really,
Speaker 2: but I remember this particular time because it was the beginning.
Speaker 2: I mean, but you're you're so great.
Speaker 1: Well, you know this is that you know, you're sitting
Speaker 1: there and you're doing it for the crew, and the
Speaker 1: crew is like hysterically laughing, and then the cameras go
Speaker 1: on and they can't laugh. So in your psychological, crazy
Speaker 1: comedic mind, my paranoid comedic mind, I'm like, well I'm
Speaker 1: sucking now, Well I'm not funny. I left. I would
Speaker 1: leave I remember. I think it was season four episode
Speaker 1: I think it was one or two where we're walking
Speaker 1: and the sailors. It's fleet week, you know. I remember
Speaker 1: walking away from that scene and calling Michael, going, I
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't. You didn't get it right? So would
Speaker 1: I leave you? He was like, would I let you
Speaker 1: off the set if I didn't get it? He would not,
Speaker 1: And then you watch it and I'm like, Okay, he
Speaker 1: got it.
Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely, I do think too. There's a couple of
Speaker 2: things I thought about. One was just like your energy
Speaker 2: is so pure and great and different. And then the
Speaker 2: other thing I realized is that you you didn't do
Speaker 2: that many episodes of the first series, and I was
Speaker 2: wondering for you, like did they so you did twelve total?
Speaker 2: I'm reading my total, which is crazy. I would have
Speaker 2: thought it was so much more than that.
Speaker 1: A lot of people think that, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what how did they handle it? Like what
Speaker 2: was your thinking? Did you think you were coming back?
Speaker 2: Did you know you were coming back? How did it go? I?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I've known Michael Patrick King since I
Speaker 1: was in my twenties doing stand up.
Speaker 4: That's how I came.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he wrote me this.
Speaker 3: I did go in as a formality to read.
Speaker 1: And there was also that question of whether I was
Speaker 1: going to be able to get out of that tech,
Speaker 1: which I was like, I'm going, I'm doing this so
Speaker 1: but I remember after it aired, I ran into him
Speaker 1: and John Melphie in a restaurant and he said, do
Speaker 1: you know how many do you know? The reaction we
Speaker 1: got from you and how many you know, calls or
Speaker 1: letters or whatever it was back then. And I said,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but am I coming back? That you
Speaker 1: absolutely are? I said, okay, but it was this is
Speaker 1: what it was. It was one episode, season three, two
Speaker 1: episodes Season four, Wow three episode season five, six episode
Speaker 1: season six, and then then the and then both movies,
Speaker 1: which kind of you know, cemented it. But I was,
Speaker 1: you know, I was always on call, and I was
Speaker 1: always so afraid that you know, of scheduling because they
Speaker 1: called you last minute and if you you know, weren't available,
Speaker 1: you know, this was not a good thing. So I
Speaker 1: was horrified. You know.
Speaker 2: Oh no, so you never really knew.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't know when I knew I was coming back, right,
Speaker 1: you know when? But it just the episodes grew as
Speaker 1: the years went on, and I also, yeah, you just
Speaker 1: and there were there were, you know, some Broadway shows
Speaker 1: at the time that I that I did turn down,
Speaker 1: not because of this but because no, believe me, it
Speaker 1: worked out well, not because of this, but because of
Speaker 1: negotiating and whatever. You know, Sometimes they want you for
Speaker 1: a year and you're like, can I do six months?
Speaker 1: Which I think is reasonable, and like, no, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: goodbye so, and at that time they did. Even now,
Speaker 1: if you're a middling name and you're not a name,
Speaker 1: they don't let you out.
Speaker 3: Broadway producers don't let you out.
Speaker 1: And my experience to go do an episode of the show,
Speaker 1: so you know that could have messed me up, you know,
Speaker 1: totally with this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, Well I appreciate that you were thinking
Speaker 2: of us.
Speaker 1: Oh I just love it.
Speaker 2: Yes, we need you so much.
Speaker 1: Miss it very much.
Speaker 2: I miss it too.
Speaker 1: I'm very sad about it, no, honestly, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: people like, how are you like, I'm sad.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I just wanted one more season.
Speaker 2: I agree, I absolutely wanted one more season two.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I love them all, but I don't
Speaker 1: care what anybody says this. That was not a series finale.
Speaker 1: It was a season finale, but that wasn't a series finale.
Speaker 2: Well, agree with you, baby, I agree with you. I
Speaker 2: haven't watched it because I'm in denial and I would
Speaker 2: like to remain that way. But I know what was
Speaker 2: on the page, and I know that when we the
Speaker 2: girls and I got together for dinner and we were like, wait,
Speaker 2: what did we do and what did we do and
Speaker 2: we couldn't really remember, which is not a good sign,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So in my just so
Speaker 2: you know, I this is not based on anything real.
Speaker 2: In my mind, we're going to do something else. I
Speaker 2: don't think it'll be a whole season, but I think
Speaker 2: we will do something else. But obviously no one knows
Speaker 2: who owns us right now, you know, So there's that
Speaker 2: that's got to be worked out. And I don't think
Speaker 2: Michael Michael. I saw Michael, and he I've seen it
Speaker 2: a couple of times, so he didn't. He doesn't say that.
Speaker 2: But I'm just in my in my hopeful way, you know,
Speaker 2: going with that.
Speaker 1: I like that too.
Speaker 2: I like that too. I like that too. I mean,
Speaker 2: I feel like we've been going for so long, you know,
Speaker 2: why why finish? I know, right, I.
Speaker 1: Know we're an expensive show, but we're worth it.
Speaker 2: I think we're worth it too, darn it.
Speaker 1: It's we're worth it. And it's a it's a it's
Speaker 1: beautifully shot, it's it's a movie. I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: there's no c G I or like that.
Speaker 4: It's just all New York.
Speaker 2: Is That's right, babe? That is right?
Speaker 1: Studio sets or the beautiful locations of New York City
Speaker 1: and that's and that's you know, so that's that's thrilling.
Speaker 1: And then you've got these wonderful actresses and actors.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I agree, I agree, I agree.
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about this episode. So I am
Speaker 2: so totally every time I'm watching these episodes from this
Speaker 2: section of season three, I knew in my mind that, like,
Speaker 2: I love season three so much, it's my favorite season whatever,
Speaker 2: but like, and I love the whole big Carrie you
Speaker 2: know thing, But there's so much I don't remember. It's
Speaker 2: like I'm watching it for the first time.
Speaker 3: It's a very strong season.
Speaker 1: It's it's you know, not because it's when I came in,
Speaker 1: but it's actually when I started watching it too that
Speaker 1: I had to go back and then and then that
Speaker 1: season is when it really kind of oh yeah.
Speaker 2: And I don't remember anything, Like I don't remember that
Speaker 2: Carrie and Bigger going to some CD hotel. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: I remember that I run into the I don't remember
Speaker 2: any of this. I don't know where the heck of
Speaker 2: my mind was. Oh it is so sad, I do, like,
Speaker 2: what are you doing in this neighborhood?
Speaker 1: I know?
Speaker 2: I know, and I mean it's also funny because is
Speaker 2: there any part of town that they wouldn't be in?
Speaker 2: Not really, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But your reaction to it's your disappointment, really, Oh, your
Speaker 1: disappointment in her. Okay, if you feel the way you're
Speaker 1: saying is you're trying to be as polite as possible,
Speaker 1: but you're letting her know that you're not happy about this.
Speaker 1: You're disappointed in your because your moral character. Charlotte is like,
Speaker 1: like you said, what if you know, what if that
Speaker 1: happened to me?
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm glad you feel that way, because I don't
Speaker 2: love my work in this episode. I really don't.
Speaker 1: You're nuts. You.
Speaker 2: I like me when I'm with you, right, I know
Speaker 2: it's true, it's true, But I mean a lot of
Speaker 2: the times when I do look back, I'm like thrilled. Right,
Speaker 2: but there's some hard things they have me do, like
Speaker 2: that scene. Because Okay, So just to make sure we're
Speaker 2: including our listeners. So this is the episode where Carrie
Speaker 2: has slowly been telling the friends right like she first
Speaker 2: told Samantha, because she knows Samantha is not going to
Speaker 2: judge that she's having a fair with mea exactly. Then
Speaker 2: she in this episode she tells Miranda, and that's a
Speaker 2: great scene. We'll get to that in a second. But
Speaker 2: then the way that Charlotte finds out because she doesn't
Speaker 2: want to tell me, because she goes, oh, I want
Speaker 2: to don't want to tell miss bride because I'm getting
Speaker 2: married in like three weeks. I think, I say, right, so,
Speaker 2: and she's right about that, right because I'm in a
Speaker 2: whole you know, basically just tizzy about you know, getting
Speaker 2: married and being bride blah blah blah blah blah. And
Speaker 2: so she does tell me, and we have a very
Speaker 2: interesting scene where I Am just thinking to myself, what
Speaker 2: is happening here and what did they say to me?
Speaker 2: Because it's I am it's interesting. I'm not mad mad
Speaker 2: like when we go to and just like that, and
Speaker 2: Miranda has the affair with Shay that Charlotte mad right
Speaker 2: like Michael Patrick told me to shout at her, which
Speaker 2: I did, but I was scared to do it, but
Speaker 2: I did it. But this scene, I'm like disappointed with
Speaker 2: Carrie and I say things like you're not even thinking
Speaker 2: about her, which is I think one hundred percent true,
Speaker 2: you know, meaning the wife Natasha. But I also feel
Speaker 2: like I don't feel I don't know if I'm being
Speaker 2: nice to my friend Carrie in that scene. Do you
Speaker 2: think I am?
Speaker 1: No? I no, I just I don't think it's even
Speaker 1: about being nice. You know, it's not going to end
Speaker 1: your friendship. It's too deep.
Speaker 3: It's just you're letting her know that I'm disappointed in you.
Speaker 1: Ye, this is and even and even I know you're
Speaker 1: getting married in it, but even even you're even sh Arlotte,
Speaker 1: I think would be disappointed anyway because she's seeing a
Speaker 1: married man. And it's also about protecting Carrie, to protecting
Speaker 1: her heart. You know, that could happen any minute with
Speaker 1: this man that's married. So it makes.
Speaker 2: It's a big mess. It's a big mess for sure.
Speaker 2: And I mean definitely like when when you know, the
Speaker 2: whole time, when we find out that he's engaged, and
Speaker 2: you know, I read it in the paper and I
Speaker 2: don't want her to know. And yes, I definitely seem
Speaker 2: like I want to protect her. But I mean when
Speaker 2: I watched that scene, it's like, ooh, it makes me
Speaker 2: I feel uncomfortable watching the scene between me and Carrie.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, look, here's the thing whether people
Speaker 1: fans as the character Charlotte, whether they think you're too judgmenttro,
Speaker 1: they hate you for it, or they're on your side.
Speaker 1: It's going to be all different kinds of opinions about it.
Speaker 1: That's the way it is, and that's what makes it cool.
Speaker 2: No, that's true totally. And I also feel when I'm
Speaker 2: watching it that I that's when I'm reminded that Charlotte
Speaker 2: is an important point of view because it is different.
Speaker 2: Everyone has a different point of view, which is lane Yeah,
Speaker 2: which is really good, but I'm never sure if I
Speaker 2: really I feel like Also, this was the time when
Speaker 2: they used to tell me that Charlott wouldn't get mad
Speaker 2: right like, which is also kind of weird.
Speaker 1: Mad everyone does, and right people, you have to, as
Speaker 1: Betty Davis said, you have to dare to be hated.
Speaker 3: And that's what it's all about.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I had so many especially gay women
Speaker 1: not so much, but gay men would come up to
Speaker 1: me and say, you know, you play it definitely much
Speaker 1: more blunt. You know. When I was with you, there
Speaker 1: was that scene I was watching and someone just posted
Speaker 1: when we were eating a cafeteria and we run into
Speaker 1: it's another seat. There's not this episode, but we run
Speaker 1: into Stanny and Uh and his friend Marcus and I
Speaker 1: tell you the t's of Hooker and that and and
Speaker 1: then I'm telling him, like, you know, He's like, I,
Speaker 1: I didn't go to the problem. I was like, cause
Speaker 1: you were gay and I'm brutal to But it's hilarious
Speaker 1: at the same time. But it's interesting how different people
Speaker 1: view it. Like women thought it was funny, and.
Speaker 3: Charlie and Blunt and Game were like, you're an asult.
Speaker 1: It was yeah, interesting, you gotta just but me and
Speaker 1: then look and then in the in just like that,
Speaker 1: we all for the for the good or the bad.
Speaker 1: We all evolved, we all became grown ups and either
Speaker 1: our anxieties grew or we kind of were more relaxed,
Speaker 1: or we were more you know. I feel like Anthony
Speaker 1: wasn't as He's still blunt, but he wasn't as rude.
Speaker 1: He definitely evolved more.
Speaker 2: I think you're right. I had not thought about that.
Speaker 1: No. I remember her saying, Michael, when I with the bakery,
Speaker 1: I'm like, so, I'm not going to be messing around
Speaker 1: with these guys at the bakery. Because he was such
Speaker 1: a promistuous character and he was like, no, no, no, you don't.
Speaker 1: You don't ship where you eat right, and you've evolved,
Speaker 1: and I just thought.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely you grew up.
Speaker 1: And definitely you became a married woman with a solid
Speaker 1: marriage and kids and chaos. Definitely you dealt with that brilliantly.
Speaker 3: I told you that how you made me laugh out.
Speaker 2: Loud a lot?
Speaker 1: Really the premiere the second the second season with you,
Speaker 1: the downsized.
Speaker 2: Premiere, Oh yeah, yeah yeah, the Writer's Strike premiere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the writers yep, yep. I uh uh. I remember
Speaker 1: saying to you, you're.
Speaker 2: So thank you, babe, and.
Speaker 1: You've had beautiful things to say about me. You said
Speaker 1: it to me first, but I was didn't say to
Speaker 1: you because you said it to me.
Speaker 2: I was like, you're so funny, but you're so hard
Speaker 2: on yourself and you're you're it cracks me up. But
Speaker 2: you did obviously have a lot of challenges. I the
Speaker 2: thing that I thought about when I was watching this episode,
Speaker 2: there's a scene where I'm the coffee shop scene. I've
Speaker 2: got this stack of magazines, the Bridal magazines, and you
Speaker 2: say it exactly. That scene almost killed me. With the
Speaker 2: props we've all been there we've all been there in
Speaker 2: the prop scenes. Okay, you know it's hard. And this
Speaker 2: was Dennis Erdmand directing. Do you remember Dennis. Yes, and
Speaker 2: I've forgotten that. This is when Dennis shows up to direct.
Speaker 1: Yeah he was, he was. He was Darren's partner, Yes
Speaker 1: he was.
Speaker 2: And I thought it was good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was great. He was lovely to work with.
Speaker 3: I had a great time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a sweet guy.
Speaker 1: It was just a late night, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh, every night was a late night.
Speaker 1: And I don't think the other thing about that second
Speaker 1: scene that got cut. I was told that that, you know,
Speaker 1: it was so late and they didn't get enough coverage
Speaker 1: and oh, which was another reason why they cut it.
Speaker 1: So it just when you get out to four four
Speaker 1: a m. You can get wonky, as you know.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yes, I mean how we functioned at
Speaker 2: all is amazing, you know what I'm saying, Like, I
Speaker 2: remember the exhaustion. I think that's why I don't remember
Speaker 2: everything now, because I'm just like so past tired, you know.
Speaker 2: But but you know, all good, oh good, Okay, wait,
Speaker 2: let's go, let's go in order. So Carrie's storyline super fascinating.
Speaker 2: Didn't remember this at all. And I think it really
Speaker 2: really seems to like the vibe of having an affair,
Speaker 2: which I think is great that they brought it because previously,
Speaker 2: like when they were in the Stanhope, like it's kind
Speaker 2: of gorgeous, right, like Charles McDougal film that and is
Speaker 2: so cinematic and beautiful, and now we see like the
Speaker 2: gritty reality of having to hide and like they're cranky
Speaker 2: with each other. He's like, I've got to be at
Speaker 2: work in forty minutes.
Speaker 3: Forty minutes and it's just like, okay, this is that
Speaker 3: just hitting it.
Speaker 4: And then I know.
Speaker 1: It's it's very ick.
Speaker 2: No wonder if she feels so terrible.
Speaker 1: Oh, and there she goes. You know, it's like I said,
Speaker 1: you know, dare to be hated. That's that's judged.
Speaker 2: Too absolutely, And I mean she's so brave, like she
Speaker 2: just does it. She does, but also she brings such
Speaker 2: truth like it's so real, you.
Speaker 1: Know, it's fantastic.
Speaker 2: Sarahja's magnificence beyond beyond beyond and so gorgeous.
Speaker 1: Oh, she looks forwarteous and such good performance. And Chris
Speaker 1: is wonderful and.
Speaker 2: It's so good. He's so good. But also I did
Speaker 2: hate him, you know, of course.
Speaker 3: Of course, because you know he was messing with your
Speaker 3: best friend.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also when he's like, oh, I'm going to tell her,
Speaker 2: and she said, but are you really? I mean, it's
Speaker 2: a very interesting dynamic of like on the one hand
Speaker 2: she kind of seems like she wants him to and
Speaker 2: on the other hand she doesn't. And then the thing
Speaker 2: that I didn't remember at all, And people do bring
Speaker 2: this up to me, and I'm always like, I don't
Speaker 2: know what strang about when and I'm jumping to the end,
Speaker 2: but we're going to talk about Natasha. But before we do,
Speaker 2: when at the very end, she says, we're so over
Speaker 2: that we need another name for over. Yeah, another word
Speaker 2: for over. It's such a great line. And people talk
Speaker 2: to me about that, and I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 2: when that happens, but okay, it happens here and rightly so,
Speaker 2: because ick a million times ick on this situation.
Speaker 4: It's boy, And.
Speaker 1: I mean, was he are they gonna call her?
Speaker 2: I don't think he was. I think he's like daring her,
Speaker 2: like they have such a weird like like I dare
Speaker 2: you type you know thing. But then she doesn't really
Speaker 2: want him to and she says, I need more time.
Speaker 2: It's so interestingly written. I mean, what a fantastic Michael
Speaker 2: Patrick wrote this one. And it's just incredible. It's so so,
Speaker 2: so so incredibly good. Okay, so let's talk about Carrie
Speaker 2: from the beginning. So she's having the affair. It's elegant
Speaker 2: to really really bad hotels. They're they're complaining, and then oh,
Speaker 2: he seems jealous and he says to her something like,
Speaker 2: you know, are you you know, saving it for the
Speaker 2: boyfriend or whatever, and she's like, don't talk to me
Speaker 2: like that. I'm like, oh god, I'm so scared. I'm
Speaker 2: so scared.
Speaker 1: It's dick.
Speaker 2: It's so dick. But it's also so real, you know.
Speaker 2: I feel like they're like peeling layers of each other off,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean, to the reality of
Speaker 2: who they are.
Speaker 1: As the room gets gets dirtier and slimier and and
Speaker 1: less glamorous, so does the affair.
Speaker 2: Definitely. And I think that's so beautifully done and so
Speaker 2: accurate because affairs are horrible.
Speaker 3: And then that the Natasha stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh, let's not get there yet. Let's talk about when
Speaker 2: she tells Miranda, because I love the scene. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: so much. I look forward now that I'm rewatching as
Speaker 2: a fan more so, right I'm I'm I always look
Speaker 2: forward to a Carrie Miranda scene because they're super amazing
Speaker 2: and you never quite know who's going to be what way.
Speaker 2: You know, you know that Miranda is going to tell
Speaker 2: it like it is right, but like when she says
Speaker 2: I have to tell you something, Miranda's like, well now
Speaker 2: I'm scared. Like it's so they're so great together. They're
Speaker 2: so great together and just the different vibe. And I
Speaker 2: like how Miranda handles finding out because she is equally
Speaker 2: telling it like it is, like you know, this is
Speaker 2: a horrible mistake. But also she's worried for Carrie, you know,
Speaker 2: and she's not judgmental. I mean, she's definitely telling her
Speaker 2: don't do it, but she's not like you're a bad person,
Speaker 2: you know what.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Probably because Carrie says to her, you're gonna
Speaker 1: hate me for this, and she kind of does a
Speaker 1: disclaimer before because she knows what she's like and how
Speaker 1: she's gonna feel. Right doesn't come at her. I think
Speaker 1: because there was a buffer there. Definitely knows that she
Speaker 1: doesn't want the whole truth from her, so she says it,
Speaker 1: but I think she leaves stuff out that she's feeling
Speaker 1: and thinking.
Speaker 2: I think for sure, I think for sure. But I
Speaker 2: think it's nice how she handles it, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, because Carrie's obviously troubled. It's not like
Speaker 2: Carrie's like, I'm having an affair and it's great. She's saying,
Speaker 2: I know, it's terrible. What do I do? I don't know?
Speaker 2: And she says, you stop right, which obviously Carrie doesn't do.
Speaker 2: But then they cut to Carrie and aiden, this killed me.
Speaker 2: I don't remember any of this, and he's kissing her
Speaker 2: and like going like m mmmm, and she just wants
Speaker 2: to jump out of her skin. Oh I just felt that,
Speaker 2: like to my core. It's awful. Like I can't even
Speaker 2: believe that she just doesn't just fully bail, but you know,
Speaker 2: she kind of does in a certain way. But like
Speaker 2: to your person who's you know, supposedly a person who
Speaker 2: doesn't know that you're doing this other thing that you
Speaker 2: don't like the sound he's making while he's kissing you.
Speaker 2: I don't think I would do that.
Speaker 1: No, No, I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: No, it's it's it's tough like the fact that he,
Speaker 2: you know, tries his best to be like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: I won't make that sound. I'm like, Aiden, what a sweetheart.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: She know she's she's not nice to the one that's
Speaker 1: very caring to her, and she's nice the one that's
Speaker 1: a son of a bitch.
Speaker 3: I know, because she's an adult.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I know it's kind of but it's also just
Speaker 2: she's so relatable, but also I feel for her because
Speaker 2: she's so stuck. Like, on the one hand, she feels
Speaker 2: horrible and they're like cranky with each other over at
Speaker 2: the affair, and then she doesn't like the sound Aidan's
Speaker 2: making and she tells him and then he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's just so everything, so uncomfortable for her, and she
Speaker 2: does it so brilliantly, so brilliantly, but it really made
Speaker 2: me uncomfortable watching it even right Like, I was just like,
Speaker 2: I just want to jump out of my own skin.
Speaker 1: It's really uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, see, that's why I'm not in
Speaker 2: a relationship. It was one of those moments I want
Speaker 2: to get one of these jams. I want to get
Speaker 2: one of these jams because you're trying to take care
Speaker 2: of yourself, but then you're also trying to take care
Speaker 2: of the other people. But then you're also just like
Speaker 2: everything's bad. You know, everything's bad. Oh God, it stressed
Speaker 2: me out a lot watching it, but it was just
Speaker 2: so good though, And I also feel like, what other
Speaker 2: television show can you think of? I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 2: there's got to be some somewhere, but like, it's so
Speaker 2: rare to be able to see this done in a
Speaker 2: not soap opera e way, do you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: like the reality of the feelings.
Speaker 1: No, the last thing it was was soap opera. No,
Speaker 1: it's so good.
Speaker 2: It's amazing to me. I mean I kind of knew,
Speaker 2: but like rewatching, I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, wow, that's why it holds up. It's you know,
Speaker 1: And each scene with Aidan throughout that episode got more
Speaker 1: and more uncomfortable, like he's gonna go.
Speaker 2: And he's gotta go, He's gotta.
Speaker 1: Go because it's true.
Speaker 2: It's awful, you know, stifled and can't be shut down.
Speaker 2: Isn't it the worst? Oh it's the worst. I know.
Speaker 2: I really fell for Aiden, I really really felt for
Speaker 2: Aiden this whole time. I didn't feel for Big though,
Speaker 2: but that's okay, well, oh wait, what about the time
Speaker 2: when she's in the really CD hotel room lobby and
Speaker 2: the guy thinks she's a hooker. Oh my god. This
Speaker 2: is the second time in the show that someone has
Speaker 2: thought Carry is a hooker, you guys, what on earth
Speaker 2: in the first season. He's furious about it, I know,
Speaker 2: and rightly, so rightly, so, oh my god. And that's
Speaker 2: when they come out and I run into them, and
Speaker 2: they're of course very very chagrined, and I'm kind of
Speaker 2: polite ish, but it's awkward. Then you see me packing,
Speaker 2: which I didn't remember this at all either. I'm packing
Speaker 2: to move to trays when when Carrie and I have
Speaker 2: the scene, I'm packing up and she's just standing there
Speaker 2: and she's kind of theoretically helping me, but she's mostly
Speaker 2: just standing there. But that's why I get to war
Speaker 2: jeans and T shirt. Because Pat Field really never wanted
Speaker 2: me to wear jeans and T shirt. I'm wearing jeans
Speaker 2: and T shirt and like my own Adidas or doctor
Speaker 2: Shoul's flip flops, I don't know which one it is.
Speaker 1: I couldn't see, but look look great.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, thank you so much. I remember
Speaker 2: not feeling great whenever I did get to ward jeans
Speaker 2: because she believed that I should really never wear jeans,
Speaker 2: but I did. I did look back and think like
Speaker 2: I am so dumb that I didn't feel great, like stupid.
Speaker 4: Woman because we don't know what you look like.
Speaker 2: That's why I don't. I don't and I certainly didn't
Speaker 2: then at all. No, I didn't.
Speaker 3: And so when you yeah, and I think you needed
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 1: Also because the show is so much about fashion, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: why aren't I in something?
Speaker 2: No, No, I wanted to be in Gene. I mean
Speaker 2: I was exhausted by those clothes, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like it was so much and you know how I
Speaker 2: dressed in life, right like I you know, I try
Speaker 2: to look nice for the podcast, but you know I
Speaker 2: would love to be in like my same sweater and
Speaker 2: my same jeans every single day. It would be great.
Speaker 2: I don't think I want to be on that in
Speaker 2: a TV show, right, But like the height of all
Speaker 2: of it was like a lot, you know obviously, I
Speaker 2: mean now I love it more, but back then I
Speaker 2: just remember, like, oh, thank god I can wear jeans.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, ask ask Danny and Molly.
Speaker 1: I hate fittings, up it out, hate them, hate them.
Speaker 1: Just just I do it as fast as I can.
Speaker 1: I mean, I tell them what I like and what
Speaker 1: I don't like. But I'm not crazy picky about my clothes.
Speaker 2: Which is great and that's refreshing for them.
Speaker 1: No, I'm oh, yeah, you give me something that works,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, also, I was like, I would
Speaker 1: like By the second season, I was like, just give
Speaker 1: me stuff that I'm gonna like to wear, but I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna want to take home.
Speaker 4: Oh so but then I calm stuff.
Speaker 2: Any No, I was like, why wouldn't you want to
Speaker 2: have stuff you want to take?
Speaker 3: I did well the first season. I did, and and
Speaker 3: I took.
Speaker 1: I took what I wanted. But you know, Michael liked
Speaker 1: being black a lot. And there was one time and
Speaker 1: just like that. I think it was the party you
Speaker 1: had that I had like a light pink jacket on
Speaker 1: with flowers, oh never, and I loved it and I
Speaker 1: was like, I took that. Oh that was good beautiful. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but it was a lot of blues and blacks,
Speaker 1: which I wear in life.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I also think like they have their color palette
Speaker 2: for each you know, character, and they have to have
Speaker 2: us be you know, somewhat in sync when we're together, right, So,
Speaker 2: like everyone can't be wearing black all the time unless
Speaker 2: it's a black occasion.
Speaker 1: And Michael was very picky about what Anthony wore. He
Speaker 1: was way more than I was.
Speaker 2: Wow, Molly told me, okay, wow, wow, wow. I love
Speaker 2: to hear that. That's interesting. Okay, Now we get to
Speaker 2: the part where Tatasha. So basically they're in the CD
Speaker 2: hotels and apparently there's some scene that we don't see
Speaker 2: where Carrie's like, I don't want to be in the
Speaker 2: city hotel. Let's let's well, we have to be at someone's.
Speaker 1: House, right, let's do it right?
Speaker 4: Might betten right right?
Speaker 2: They might have had a scene that got cut. Who knows.
Speaker 2: But they're at his beige house because everything's beige now,
Speaker 2: and they're in the by beige bed. She's in the
Speaker 2: beage bed. He's got to go to work. He goes
Speaker 2: to work and she's in this kind of like pink
Speaker 2: rummaging through the fridge and she hears Natasha come home
Speaker 2: from the Hampton's early.
Speaker 1: And oh, yeah, she came home early from the Hamptons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he thinks she's in the Hamptons and she's going
Speaker 2: to stay there because he says he's going to call
Speaker 2: her on Monday, which I thought was also such an
Speaker 2: odd comment from him. This is when he says I'm
Speaker 2: going to call her on Monday, and she goes, you know,
Speaker 2: this is when she says, no, she needs more time
Speaker 2: or whatever. Right, And then Natasha comes in and she
Speaker 2: tries to get out the back service entrance, which is
Speaker 2: how apartments are, and if we had we're on the
Speaker 2: air now everyone be complaining about the back door, but
Speaker 2: that is actually how apartments are in big, big old
Speaker 2: buildings in.
Speaker 1: New York South.
Speaker 4: This kitchen entrances exactly.
Speaker 2: It's the service entrance, that's what they would call it.
Speaker 2: And it would go to an elevator that's in the
Speaker 2: back where you could bring furniture up or whatever different
Speaker 2: you know, things like workmen would come up in the
Speaker 2: back elevator. There's rules in these kinds of building deliveries
Speaker 2: exactly exactly. So Carrie is trying to get out the back,
Speaker 2: but the chain lock is on and she can't get out.
Speaker 2: So then she gets out and she's running down the
Speaker 2: stairs and Natasha and her beautiful white outfit, which is
Speaker 2: I think all she wears is running down after her
Speaker 2: and falls on face.
Speaker 1: It before she goes to the door.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she says, Carrie, Carrie, I knew you were
Speaker 2: having an affair, but not in my house. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: so upsetting, so upsetting on her face, on that beautiful face,
Speaker 2: like yes, thank God.
Speaker 1: She lifts her head and there's so much.
Speaker 3: Fuss, and they put she puts her in a cab.
Speaker 2: She puts her in a cab, and then someone told me,
Speaker 2: I believe because we talked to Bridget earlier and Bridget
Speaker 2: couldn't remember if she had ad libbed she Carrie puts
Speaker 2: her in a cab and is trying to tell the
Speaker 2: cab to go to the nearest hospital, and Bridget is
Speaker 2: trying to lock Natasha is trying to lock the door.
Speaker 2: So Carrie gank it in. And someone told me that
Speaker 2: they listened to Michael Patrick's DVD, you know, narrative of it,
Speaker 2: and that Bridget had ad libed that, which is super brilliant,
Speaker 2: super brilliant. But the windows rolled down, so she's like
Speaker 2: frantically trying to it's a funny kind of thing, and
Speaker 2: so Carrie just gets in the front, which is very cool.
Speaker 2: I love this whole sequence. And then it's so good
Speaker 2: when they cut to the hospital and you see Big
Speaker 2: coming in but he obviously doesn't know Carrie's there, and
Speaker 2: the look on his face when he sees Carrie there
Speaker 2: because probably Natasha killed him, or the doctors called him
Speaker 2: or someone called him, right, he doesn't realize Carrie's there
Speaker 2: and he sees her. It's such a good moment. He stops,
Speaker 2: he sees Carrie, the look on her face.
Speaker 1: It's just like, well, she's done, then.
Speaker 2: Done, and like so oh sad and upset of how
Speaker 2: it's actually gone down. And I love how in the
Speaker 2: beginning of the episode, before this happens, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of talk about, like with Miranda, and I think with
Speaker 2: me also, I mean, because Carrie's like, couldn't we just
Speaker 2: get out of it with no one getting hurt? No
Speaker 2: one for the wiser. She says this to Miranda, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, no, you can't get out of it
Speaker 2: with no one getting hurt, and Miranda's basically know you.
Speaker 2: And then who gets actually physically hurt, Natasha. It's so perfect. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's so good, so so good, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: But she gets her there, she gets her that she
Speaker 1: makes God, yes, she had to go with her.
Speaker 2: Oh definitely. Oh, we would have been very very angry
Speaker 2: with Carrie.
Speaker 1: If she had not been with her and be like,
Speaker 1: why no, she.
Speaker 2: Would never do that. She would never do that because
Speaker 2: she's not a bad person. That's what's so great about it.
Speaker 1: Well, she runs right up to her on the stairs.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's very caring. She didn't keep running no,
Speaker 1: you know, since he's very caring and she really, boy,
Speaker 1: that's brutal. And then and then it's over.
Speaker 2: I know. And then it's so over that we need
Speaker 2: a new word for over. And that's so good. It's
Speaker 2: such a good line. It's such a good line, and
Speaker 2: she delivers it so beautifully, and her face is just
Speaker 2: like like she's just empty of feeling, you know, like
Speaker 2: it's been too much. It's so so incredibly good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great episode. It's a rare I didn't realize.
Speaker 2: And then she goes home and Aiden's there, Oh god,
Speaker 2: and he looks so adorable and he says, where were
Speaker 2: you all day? And she says she was at a
Speaker 2: museum I know, And he says, how was it? She said, good,
Speaker 2: it's kind of funny. And then she goes in her
Speaker 2: bathroom but she shuts all the doors. She says she
Speaker 2: has to wash her face, and she shuts all the
Speaker 2: door so she can like have a moment to recover.
Speaker 2: But I did feel, I did feel because Aiden is like,
Speaker 2: you know, he's he's fine. Like the fact that Aiden
Speaker 2: could have been kind of, you know, somehow able to
Speaker 2: emotionally regulate himself after she's been so weak to him
Speaker 2: and messed up is kind of impressive.
Speaker 1: I think, yes, yeah, oh yeah, well he he he
Speaker 1: was kind of very forgiving, very forgiving, and and I'm
Speaker 1: sure she was very relieved he was there even though
Speaker 1: it was, you know, a tough day.
Speaker 4: But for sure it is so how are you sharing?
Speaker 1: Is that for Carrie too?
Speaker 2: I agree? I agree, But then I believe it's the
Speaker 2: next episode that I get married and they break up,
Speaker 2: so it's a little window. But I also totally understand
Speaker 2: why she feels so horrible that he doesn't know. I
Speaker 2: get it. I get it. I mean, it's a really
Speaker 2: tough it's a really tough thing. Like I don't know,
Speaker 2: like if you just cheated, like like like a weird
Speaker 2: moment of cheating that would be one thing, but this
Speaker 2: is a whole emotional like this is her ex with
Speaker 2: unfinished business, it's so much more. I totally get why
Speaker 2: she feels like she has to tell him in the
Speaker 2: next episode, do you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah yeah, because this this just layers
Speaker 1: of guilt.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And you can't move forward feeling
Speaker 2: like they don't know who you are, that you're you
Speaker 2: know that you did this, and that you're.
Speaker 1: That's the next episode.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I know it.
Speaker 1: I know these two men just.
Speaker 3: Continued in her life.
Speaker 1: Through all of it.
Speaker 4: Though I know, I know, I know they're both iterations.
Speaker 1: That's fascinating to me. I love it, and and the
Speaker 1: fans love it too. You know, they they're all they're
Speaker 1: either team Big or team teammate, but they it's which
Speaker 1: is why I think it was so split, and they
Speaker 1: just they kept them both in because they were both
Speaker 1: so those relationships were both so popular with the audience.
Speaker 2: Also, I just think they are so interestingly different, and
Speaker 2: it's a different part of her that gets involved, like
Speaker 2: that comes out with each one. But it's side note,
Speaker 2: and this also is not based on anything that anyone
Speaker 2: said to me. It's my own feeling. I do feel
Speaker 2: like that's part of the reason that we ended in
Speaker 2: just like that is because we really really ended Aiden.
Speaker 2: Sorry for anyone that I'm giving anything away, but like
Speaker 2: once Aiden was really done, I feel like creatively there
Speaker 2: was like a emptiness that Michael and Sarah Jessica didn't
Speaker 2: have an immediate answer for do you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: And I don't know. They need to have that like
Speaker 2: creative motor driving them of like we're going here, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, And they didn't have that, And
Speaker 2: I think that they need that. That's how they operate.
Speaker 2: But the two of them together like as a good partnership,
Speaker 2: you know, a good creative partnership. Anyway, side note, of course,
Speaker 2: so here we are, let's go back. I want to
Speaker 2: know what you think of Samantha's storyline getting the HIV test.
Speaker 2: What did you think of this?
Speaker 1: Well, the fact that she thought she was being taken
Speaker 1: into that little room and the way she fainted was
Speaker 1: so brilliant. I didn't remember any of this magnificent episode.
Speaker 1: Also because it's such a thing that I have sex
Speaker 1: and I'm fine, I'm I'm clean, I'm I'm I'm not diseased.
Speaker 1: You know that whole thing. And then she's confronted by
Speaker 1: a guy who has as much sex as she does,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm not going to do this if
Speaker 1: you don't get tested, and then so she wants him
Speaker 1: so badly that it makes her go get tested. And
Speaker 1: it's horrifying. And I mean, look, as a gay man coming
Speaker 1: up in the UH in the eighties and nineties, you know,
Speaker 1: they're those tests were horrifying, horrifying, scary think about it,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, and being taken into that little room
Speaker 1: or whatever. But the way she fell, it's the fainting
Speaker 1: that I was like, wow, and me too, you you
Speaker 1: she just thought she was going to get.
Speaker 2: The death sentence, so scary, so so scary, and she
Speaker 2: faints very beautifully. It's all. I like the shot a lot,
Speaker 2: like it's the angel and the way she falls.
Speaker 1: All those things in all those yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she hits the medical cards, so all the tools fall.
Speaker 2: It's really good. It's really really good. I don't think
Speaker 2: I ever went to one of those centers to get tested,
Speaker 2: so I never didn't. Never I think I got tested
Speaker 2: it like doctor, doctor, Yeah, did you go to one
Speaker 2: of those places?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I had, Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's kind of intense
Speaker 2: to go to one of those places.
Speaker 4: I think, you know, no exactly, this is you know,
Speaker 4: you're lucky.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a privilege to be able to have
Speaker 1: they can a privilege to be able to have a doctor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I've been going through the years, and I
Speaker 1: was very comforting and you know, you're gonna be fine,
Speaker 1: and you know, and that's he was right, you know,
Speaker 1: that's the way it went.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but those like those clinics are your number at
Speaker 1: those clinics. Although the nurse that she was dealing with
Speaker 1: was very kind and very comforting.
Speaker 2: I know she was kind of comforting, but apparently she
Speaker 2: was trying to take her in the back room so
Speaker 2: he could she could lecture her about her sex life,
Speaker 2: which is not good, not good because she also scared
Speaker 2: the Jesus out of her and made poor Samantha faint.
Speaker 2: But this is what I love so much.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: The guy that she's with is played by Sam Robarts,
Speaker 2: who I feel like, did anyone look up if he's
Speaker 2: related to Jason Robarts. Yes, he's Jason Robarts's son, Jason
Speaker 2: rot Yes, remember Jason Robart's incredible, incredible actor. And I
Speaker 2: remember I think they wanted something like someone really amazing
Speaker 2: to play kind of the male version of Samantha that
Speaker 2: she would of course really want and vibe with. But
Speaker 2: also I love how he is with her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, he's you know, he's very sexual, but
Speaker 1: he won't do it.
Speaker 2: Like he has such a great like he's so open,
Speaker 2: but also in the way that Samantha is, right, because
Speaker 2: Amantha is so open about her sexuality and unapologetic, but
Speaker 2: also he's got such clear boundaries, right, but he also
Speaker 2: has this swing like he's interesting and fun, but also like, no, no,
Speaker 2: you have to have an AIDS test. What do you
Speaker 2: mean you have an ad AIDS test. I like the
Speaker 2: whole thing so much, me too.
Speaker 1: And they were meeting, you know, they were meeting the
Speaker 1: male and female, the male and female equivalent of each
Speaker 1: other sexually.
Speaker 2: I know. I wish he could have stayed. Wouldn't that
Speaker 2: have been interesting? Like what would have happened?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know either. Well, they
Speaker 1: both would have cheated on each other eventually.
Speaker 2: That's probably true, but at least it would have been mutual, right,
Speaker 2: so maybe whatever. I don't know, but I really loved
Speaker 2: him and I do. I just vaguely remember that, you know,
Speaker 2: because she has so many incredibly beautiful guys right and
Speaker 2: always really good as well. But I do remember that
Speaker 2: they really wanted him to be special, and I did
Speaker 2: think that Sam Robards did a fantastic job, and I
Speaker 2: wish we had had had more of him in the show.
Speaker 2: But I do love that we did this whole episode.
Speaker 2: I'd kind of forgotten about it, but I do think
Speaker 2: it's so important to show like kind of the reality
Speaker 2: of you know, her, the way that her lifestyle. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying that, like you do need to
Speaker 2: actually take responsible for yourself within that lifestyle. You don't
Speaker 2: need to apologize for the lifestyle, which you need to
Speaker 2: take responsibility.
Speaker 1: And this scen where you're all, you know, saying that
Speaker 1: you whether you've been tested or not in lifetime for HIV,
Speaker 1: and and you don't you you're like you don't even
Speaker 1: say anything because you're like too busy with the magazines and.
Speaker 2: You want, well, I'm in bride world and I don't
Speaker 2: want anything to come into bride World.
Speaker 1: No, And you don't even have to ask Charlotte.
Speaker 2: That, right, I know, But in reality, Charlotte got around
Speaker 2: quite a bit and did need to have an a test,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure she did it or obg Ann or whatever, but.
Speaker 3: It's way too busy with her.
Speaker 2: Magazine exactly because at that point she's got, she's got,
Speaker 2: she's got the stack of magazines. And also Charlotte apparently
Speaker 2: has never heard of stylists, which is really funny.
Speaker 1: You know what was interested in when she's when Samantha said,
Speaker 1: I'll send you a list of styles, so I wonder
Speaker 1: if I was on that list.
Speaker 2: Of course you were. That's how we got you.
Speaker 1: With you, which I never realized that until I know
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that at all either, And I also
Speaker 2: just think it's so funn But I do think also
Speaker 2: at this point in time, it wasn't like it is
Speaker 2: now where you're always hearing about actors stylists and the
Speaker 2: stylists are big names themselves, and you know, everything's like
Speaker 2: everyone's very aware. It was not like that back then.
Speaker 2: I didn't have a stylist at this point in life.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it wasn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't either, No, no, no, Because we're about to
Speaker 2: get nominated for our first Emmy. In fact, we might
Speaker 2: this might be around the time. I feel like the
Speaker 2: nominations for the Emmys come out in August, is the
Speaker 2: awards were in September. I feel like this is around
Speaker 2: the time that we got nominated for the show the
Speaker 2: first time, which was like the most thrilling thing that
Speaker 2: ever happened. Great, right, yeah, right, yes, And then we
Speaker 2: didn't win that first year. Maybe Sir Jessica won, but
Speaker 2: we didn't win till the next year, which was the
Speaker 2: semi Emmys because of nine to eleven. Right, So Kim
Speaker 2: and I were there alone, Sarah and Cynthia I think
Speaker 2: we're both doing plays, but they had pushed the Emmys,
Speaker 2: you know, because we didn't feel like it was appropriate.
Speaker 2: It's the next year. But we got nominated this year
Speaker 2: and we go when we present. And the reason that
Speaker 2: I remember all this is because I didn't have a stylist.
Speaker 2: I had a publicist, but I didn't have a stylist,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, so stressed about what to wear.
Speaker 2: I mean so stressed. And I went to all of
Speaker 2: these designers that my publicists would call them, I think,
Speaker 2: and I would go just me. I would just show
Speaker 2: up and they would everyone would be like, oh, you
Speaker 2: should definitely wear this one. This is amazing. You need
Speaker 2: to be sexy. So like, at one point I had
Speaker 2: this Michael Kor's dress that was very cut out and
Speaker 2: very sexy because I played the not sexy one, right,
Speaker 2: So there were certain people in the fashion world who
Speaker 2: felt like I needed to dress like aggressively sexy, right.
Speaker 2: But my publicist at the time felt like, no, no,
Speaker 2: that is not true. You are on a show called
Speaker 2: Sex and the City. You need to look like a princess,
Speaker 2: she said to me. I was like, oh, oh, I
Speaker 2: have a princess. I don't know. So then I went
Speaker 2: to a different designer. I had like a ball gown on. Right,
Speaker 2: So I had a stack of polaroids that I just
Speaker 2: went around town. I went to my manager, I was like,
Speaker 2: look at all these polaroids, tell me which one I
Speaker 2: should wear. Then I would go to my publicis, I say,
Speaker 2: look at all my polaroids and tell me what I
Speaker 2: shd wear. I'd go to my agents, please tell me what.
Speaker 2: But of course everyone had a different opinion. Right. So
Speaker 2: I had gone to Valentino in one of these fittings
Speaker 2: and had put on the gorgeous dress that I loved.
Speaker 2: That I would have been done with then everyone had
Speaker 2: different opinion and got me very very confused. So at
Speaker 2: the very last minute, my publicist said, you know, you
Speaker 2: should go to this stylist. I'm not going to say
Speaker 2: who she was, And so I go to this stylist
Speaker 2: who was very much the hot stylist at the time,
Speaker 2: and she had this apartment like condo. I went to
Speaker 2: her for the fitting and in the center of the
Speaker 2: room was up mountain of gowns on the floor and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh now. So I was standing in
Speaker 2: the corner like really just trying to contain myself because
Speaker 2: I wanted to pick them all up and hang them
Speaker 2: all up. I was so stressed. And there were all
Speaker 2: these gowns that I had seen pictures of and look books,
Speaker 2: but this stylist was parting them basically right for her clients,
Speaker 2: and I was like, uh, should I try some of
Speaker 2: them all? And then we're on the floor, like what
Speaker 2: should I do? So eventually what happened was I ended
Speaker 2: up wearing the Valentino that I had already tried on
Speaker 2: by myself. She was so ridiculous. It was a really
Speaker 2: interesting first stylistic experience because it did really teach me
Speaker 2: a lot like there's there's a lot of drama in
Speaker 2: the stylist world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I bet this is why I like slap
Speaker 1: on a nice tuxedo. The man can do that and
Speaker 1: just go.
Speaker 2: It's true. I don't know if that's true now though,
Speaker 2: because now, oh there's a lot of commentary online. Oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, you don't want those guys to be mad
Speaker 2: at you.
Speaker 1: No, it's true, but you know what I'm it's exhausting,
Speaker 1: as you know.
Speaker 2: It is exhausting. It's true.
Speaker 1: The only warch I went to was during this was
Speaker 1: the SAG Awards. We were oh and we won one year, we.
Speaker 2: Did, we won two years because I've got two Saga
Speaker 2: Awards at my house.
Speaker 1: I think we win.
Speaker 2: Do we win ensemble?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that, but do we win? I wonder
Speaker 1: if I was there the first time, the first the
Speaker 1: first time we won.
Speaker 2: I don't know. They all blend in my mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: It's really fun, so much fun to go to all
Speaker 2: those things.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 2: I think it's so funny that Charlotte had never heard
Speaker 2: of getting a stylist, and thank god Samantha Delsert and
Speaker 2: then I get you. Yeah, it all worked out, It
Speaker 2: all worked out.
Speaker 3: I was the foth stylist for you.
Speaker 2: I know you were great, you were perfect, and you
Speaker 2: had a big personality like like stylists do.
Speaker 1: I was also thinking, like when I was like the
Speaker 1: lace appl cave, I didn't know what that was.
Speaker 2: Oh, you pulled it off.
Speaker 1: I hadn't learned that, and and just memorize it, Like
Speaker 1: I said, I'd never I couldn't be a I couldn't
Speaker 1: pick out your shoes and your girls to come up
Speaker 1: to be like I wish you picked out my dress
Speaker 1: and you want that, you want your wedding, you know.
Speaker 1: And then when I became a baker, it's like that's
Speaker 1: what I really do in real life.
Speaker 2: Yay, yay, Yes, you evolved.
Speaker 1: That was all right.
Speaker 2: So here let's talk about Miranda and this sandwich. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, so funny and so meme ish, like how
Speaker 2: perfectly meme related storyline, like before memes were a thing, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But there's the sandwich guy and he's saying.
Speaker 4: Eat me, and I'm obsessed with him.
Speaker 1: She's pissed off at first, then she becomes like he stressed.
Speaker 3: To complain about her, and they're like, well, he's a
Speaker 3: sandwich so that's.
Speaker 2: She goes in. She's very mean too. She goes in
Speaker 2: and she's like, your sandwich is harassing women, and he's like,
Speaker 2: you're crazy woman, which is of course exact what everyone
Speaker 2: want to say to you back then. But then she
Speaker 2: fantasizes about him and wants to meet him, which is
Speaker 2: fully insane. Okay, fully bonkers.
Speaker 1: Take off your masks.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: And then he's like, this kind of this kid. He's adorable.
Speaker 2: But why she has such a negative reaction when he's
Speaker 2: this kid is interesting to me, Like what did she
Speaker 2: think he was going to be.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe of interest to her, it's cute,
Speaker 1: but she was like, oh he's a baby bye right right.
Speaker 2: But also, Miranda looks so incredible in these outfits on
Speaker 2: the street, like she's like at the height of her power.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, oh this is good listen to. I
Speaker 2: would just want to say Carrie's, Carrie's. I love to
Speaker 2: say Carrie's, you know, when she's wondering about her things
Speaker 2: in the apartment. It's really good. Later that night, I
Speaker 2: got to thinking about safe sex. Odd, how only when
Speaker 2: our physical life is at risk do we follow certain
Speaker 2: guidelines to protect ourselves. But what about our emotional lives.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be nice if there was a pamphlet to
Speaker 2: warn us what unsafe behavior might be high risk to
Speaker 2: ourselves or our relationships. And even if you fake, even
Speaker 2: if you take precautions and emotionally try to protect yourself
Speaker 2: when you crawl in bed with someone. Is sex ever safe?
Speaker 2: But also I think it's so true because I don't
Speaker 2: feel like sex is ever safe personally, emotionally, emotionally. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I'm not good. I'm not good
Speaker 2: at covering it all up and playing the game and whatever.
Speaker 2: It's just too much.
Speaker 3: Men can separate it women. It's emotional.
Speaker 2: I know it. I know it. I know it. I
Speaker 2: think I've asked you before. It's always interesting to ask
Speaker 2: people again, though, because sometimes you change your mind. Do
Speaker 2: you feel like you're a Charlotte?
Speaker 1: I feel like no.
Speaker 3: I think you know, it's like your mother or your father.
Speaker 1: I have elements of both of them. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel in a way, I my mind and
Speaker 1: so Charlotte for the most part.
Speaker 2: But she No, I think that's Miranda. I would say.
Speaker 2: I would say speaking one's mind would be like a Miranda.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't you think I guess I probably am a Miranda.
Speaker 2: I kind of think you're right, because like the thing
Speaker 2: that I love though about Miranda is like, on the
Speaker 2: one hand, everyone goes like, oh, she's you know, she's
Speaker 2: kind of hard and whatever, but like she also is
Speaker 2: so squishy inside, which is so true about you.
Speaker 1: And yes, and to the people that I love, I
Speaker 1: am pointed about what I need to let them know.
Speaker 2: If yeah, but you're inside like a squishy, squishy loyal friend, you.
Speaker 1: Know, you know, then I feel bad. Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: a lot of guilt. I'm pretty, I'm pretty. I'm a softie.
Speaker 1: For the most part. I try to present as a
Speaker 1: very hard.
Speaker 2: I know you do you do, and I mean it
Speaker 2: takes some time to get to the soft but but
Speaker 2: then it's worth it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good quality. It's a good quality. And
Speaker 2: I do think like if you look at Anthony's evolution,
Speaker 2: that's what's really really fun about looking at your early episodes,
Speaker 2: I mean, just your evolution as a character, but also
Speaker 2: I know that you felt like, oh, I'm so nervous
Speaker 2: and can I get all these words right? And then
Speaker 2: the prop prop scenes are always hard, but like you're
Speaker 2: so fantastic and you're so specifically you like the character
Speaker 2: is like full fully formed, you know. I yes, he
Speaker 2: evolves over time, definitely, but like the breath of fresh
Speaker 2: air when you come, especially because I think where Charlotte
Speaker 2: was at that time, because I'm in this bride mode,
Speaker 2: I'm with Trey and Trey and I don't really talk
Speaker 2: that honestly, right, like to have you coming in there
Speaker 2: like this is.
Speaker 1: What it is exactly, I tell you like it is
Speaker 1: and it's great.
Speaker 2: It's so so great and so needed, like, thank god
Speaker 2: we kept you. Thank the Lord, Michael Patrick King.
Speaker 1: Thank you every day. Yes, give us another season and
Speaker 1: stop it.
Speaker 2: We have to let him reset. He's doing the comeback.
Speaker 2: He's going to reset, he's going to get new inspiration.
Speaker 2: I have faith, I do. I have faith.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wait to see the comeback. By the way, I.
Speaker 2: Know, I'm very excited to see the comeback.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: They were really into it. He and Lisa wrote the
Speaker 2: whole show themselves.
Speaker 1: The two of them together are magic and it's a
Speaker 1: brilliant combination. And they do both those seasons were so
Speaker 1: good and this is their final one, you know, but
Speaker 1: there was so much time in between each one.
Speaker 2: But I know, but you know the idea. I think
Speaker 2: they've announced it so I can say it. She's doing
Speaker 2: the first sitcom written by a I. Valerie Cherish on
Speaker 2: the Comeback is doing the first sitcom AI. It's so
Speaker 2: timely and great.
Speaker 1: Oh that sounds amazing. I can't wait.
Speaker 2: I know, I can't wait either. I can't wait either.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 1: I'll see you soon.