Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 1: These episodes are based on. These are our stories. Done done, Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome back to That's Messed Up n SVU podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm your host Kara Klink and I'm Liza Traeger.
Speaker 2: We're coming to you fast from We're actually really slow
Speaker 2: and we're a very long podcast, but we do talk fast.
Speaker 2: We talked SVU True Crime. We have an incredible guest.
Speaker 2: It was hard to edit because we talked for an
Speaker 2: hour and a half, So stay tuned for that joy.
Speaker 2: And we're actually recording fresh off of our Palm Springs vacation.
Speaker 1: Oh, we had a lot luxurious vacation in Palm Springs,
Speaker 1: or I was without children for two full days, two
Speaker 1: and a half full days, and it was glorious, such
Speaker 1: a nice house. We had so much fun.
Speaker 2: One of our friends napped and he got up and
Speaker 2: he goes, no one needed me, No one needed me
Speaker 2: for anything.
Speaker 1: He was like so exciting. Like I woke up one
Speaker 1: day from falling asleep reading a book on the on
Speaker 1: an outside piece of furniture, and like everybody was just
Speaker 1: quietly doing their own thing. People were either sleeping or
Speaker 1: they were in the pool, but they were in the
Speaker 1: pool being quiet, Like everyone was just having like a
Speaker 1: collective quiet time. And I was like, did something happen?
Speaker 1: Where is everybody? Like I was so disoriented.
Speaker 2: We all just said a little mushrooms and then we
Speaker 2: if you guys don't have these, if you're in a pool,
Speaker 2: one of the best inventions. It's like there's a blow
Speaker 2: up tube and a blow up tube small, like a
Speaker 2: maybe a foot and a half two feet attached.
Speaker 1: By a net.
Speaker 2: So you put your body on the net and you're
Speaker 2: like feet and head dangle off the floaties, but you're
Speaker 2: just fully weightless in the pool. And then I sat
Speaker 2: in it with my arms up for a while and
Speaker 2: you're just weightless.
Speaker 1: It's cool. They're great. You can't imagine station. You can't
Speaker 1: imagine you're like, this little flimsy thing's not gonna hold
Speaker 1: my whole body weight, and it does. It feels like
Speaker 1: you're just like in a bed in the water. It's great. No.
Speaker 2: Our friend who showed up the last day of the trip,
Speaker 2: I was like, here, use this, and he was like,
Speaker 2: so skeptical.
Speaker 1: He's like, what's the catch?
Speaker 2: Like, he was just so not into it, and then
Speaker 2: I put him in there and he was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is nice.
Speaker 1: Sorry if you were.
Speaker 2: Trying to get one on me, I'm like, ye't no tricks,
Speaker 2: just treats, okay, tricks like I am a I like
Speaker 2: to float U.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was And I've never been in a pool that
Speaker 2: was so like windy. I would like, not whindy. How
Speaker 2: would you say it? It's like you walk in shallow
Speaker 2: but then it curves so there's like two full pools
Speaker 2: within a pool, and then there's like in the middle
Speaker 2: an infinity ledge into like the desert mountains, but then
Speaker 2: in the center center pool a hot tub, and to
Speaker 2: the right of that a swim up bar.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's like all kinds of like and so
Speaker 1: many ledges. We've talked about ledges before on this podcast.
Speaker 1: Just like it's like a big horseshoe kind of but
Speaker 1: very large, and a little bridge that takes you to
Speaker 1: the hot tub. You could swim under the bridge. It
Speaker 1: was fun. We had a blast. And Lisa's bracelets, I know,
Speaker 1: she talked about them. She made bracelets for the birthday boy.
Speaker 2: They were, well, I should have given them days before
Speaker 2: so we could have wear them all week.
Speaker 1: It just never seemed right.
Speaker 2: I was in my head about these bracelets and what
Speaker 2: needed to happen, and it's like I should have just
Speaker 2: given it to him day one and he could have
Speaker 2: passed it out and we could have all enjoyed the bracelets.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I waited to have it, looking
Speaker 1: for a perfect time. We kept looking, We're like, this
Speaker 1: is it, this is the moment, and then one person
Speaker 1: would walk away. We'd be like, it's ruined, we can't
Speaker 1: give the bracelets.
Speaker 2: Well, then I ended up doing it while our one
Speaker 2: friend got COVID and had to pass out and never
Speaker 2: be seen again. Who planned the whole trip and you
Speaker 2: know sponsored it. We were a little kittens. Yeah on
Speaker 2: the screen, Yeah it was. It was so great and
Speaker 2: our friend cooked. I mean, it was just like, I
Speaker 2: don't think I've ever truly experienced such expectationless hang for days.
Speaker 2: It was like, you want to do drugs, do not?
Speaker 2: You don't have to drink, go to bed. I mean
Speaker 2: my friend, my best friend goes to bed at nine.
Speaker 1: I hate her. I'd punch her in the face every
Speaker 1: second night. If I could.
Speaker 2: I know, this is a podcast about abuse and we're
Speaker 2: anti but like this bitch is always going to bed early.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, people, I was the last to bed
Speaker 1: every night, but I stayed up late one night with you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like middle of the road. And then the
Speaker 1: last night I actually regret. I really wanted to stay
Speaker 1: up later that night. I know because I thought when
Speaker 1: you woke up from the couch you'd come. We were
Speaker 1: playing the movie game in the in the hot tub.
Speaker 1: You were Yeah, because I knew that. I knew you
Speaker 1: were sleeping on the couch. Because then when we walked out,
Speaker 1: people didn't realize you still weren't there. They were like, whoa,
Speaker 1: I've thought I thought she was here. So yeah, you
Speaker 1: went to bed pretty early.
Speaker 2: But nothing like it just was like eat when you want,
Speaker 2: don't eat when you have this thing, float a little,
Speaker 2: read a book, have a talk.
Speaker 1: Change, and we had some We had some characters like
Speaker 1: that our friends got yoga and like this woman came
Speaker 1: into taught a bunch of us yoga and it was
Speaker 1: like she was the most Palm Springs yoga teacher you
Speaker 1: would ever imagine.
Speaker 2: And I skipped down on yoga to float with my
Speaker 2: three friends.
Speaker 1: What was the yoga? What was she like? She was
Speaker 1: just like you know, she was like very tan and
Speaker 1: tattooed with like these flower bell bottoms on and was
Speaker 1: just like yeah, just breathe into your practice and like
Speaker 1: very just a total cartoon character of a yoga and structure,
Speaker 1: you know. And then we got an amazing man in
Speaker 1: our lives. I'll let you tell about him.
Speaker 2: I didn't connect with him the way you all did.
Speaker 2: It made me uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: I didn't it and I I didn't. The sprinklers were
Speaker 1: a gift for me, but I was surprised. I was
Speaker 1: surprised he was the way he was. I will say that,
Speaker 1: like I was laughing because I was like this feels
Speaker 1: like a sketch or like are we being punked? Like
Speaker 1: essentially we had a habachi chef and he came on
Speaker 1: and get made like it was amazing, Like we felt
Speaker 1: like real housewives, like just a dinner. We were like
Speaker 1: looking at the mountains outside dinner. Very nice. But he
Speaker 1: was doing a lot of like well be sporting. Yeah no, no,
Speaker 1: I was just yetding. He was doing it like he
Speaker 1: was if you imagine like so like ketch up with
Speaker 1: mustard bottles from like uh or salt and vinegar bottles
Speaker 1: from like subway. It was like those filled with sake
Speaker 1: and he was just like squirting it into our mouths
Speaker 1: and everybody had to like count. It was like very
Speaker 1: for fradish, you know, like like one, two three. I like,
Speaker 1: I just kept doing it, and I would count good
Speaker 1: at it.
Speaker 2: And he would be squeezing this liquor in my mouth,
Speaker 2: but I would still have like remnants of foods, like
Speaker 2: the pieces of rice would be floating in the soji
Speaker 2: in my mouth, and I'm like, I don't want to
Speaker 2: do that. And every time he came near me with
Speaker 2: those bottles, I'm like, I don't want to spill anymore.
Speaker 2: But then he came out with a gatorade giant jug
Speaker 2: of liquor and that he went. He squirt it into
Speaker 2: my mouth and he kept going juicy, juicy, and I
Speaker 2: was like, yea, I'll take some juicy, but I just
Speaker 2: but we're not even on the first or second court.
Speaker 2: He's still like chopping up stuff. We're not even at
Speaker 2: the first course. He's chopping he's making stuff. And I
Speaker 2: hear it, I hear the and I go oh no,
Speaker 2: and it was like a movie. I'm so glad to
Speaker 2: have experienced it. The sprinklers go on everywhere, the lawn
Speaker 2: is covered in sprinklers.
Speaker 1: He keeps cooking.
Speaker 2: He is unfazed, and I am joyed that I get
Speaker 2: to leave and watch pandemonium.
Speaker 1: But then I got to lead. We like, you know,
Speaker 1: shut the power off. I like having an adventure.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I loved being like, it's just so I
Speaker 2: kept thinking of parasite, to be honest, was like, were
Speaker 2: these like people in this giant house and this? Yeah,
Speaker 2: but he was happy when the sprinklers went off on us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was also like it felt like he
Speaker 1: was doing a character. He was just like juicy juicy drink.
Speaker 2: More like, and he was getting hammered. We're like, are
Speaker 2: you driving like what he was? He kept being like,
Speaker 2: you can assign the juicy juicy and then he would
Speaker 2: juicy juicy in his mouth like he was getting fucking hammered.
Speaker 2: It just I don't Yeah, I liked the first thing
Speaker 2: when our friend cooked and we got to just sit down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a wild character. But the yum yum
Speaker 1: sauce was delicious. It was very It was mayo. Of course,
Speaker 1: we love it. And of course I love it. It
Speaker 1: was like a creamy sauce that was delicious.
Speaker 2: But it reminded me of The Simpsons because they like whatever.
Speaker 2: It's Marge's twisted world episode with the pretzels, but her
Speaker 2: nemeses go into business with like a Fleetipeda truck. I
Speaker 2: talk about this all the time, but like, instead a
Speaker 2: full offl they're like crunch patties. But Tahini flavor sauce in.
Speaker 1: A yeah yum yum sauce is basically like some kind
Speaker 1: of Mayo dressing with spices. But but we oh, but
Speaker 1: we're burying the lead.
Speaker 2: Kara and I karaoke until two in the morning, and
Speaker 2: except one person was awake. The thing is I did
Speaker 2: I was the first to start karaoke that night around
Speaker 2: six pm when dinner started being cooked or like five,
Speaker 2: and I was the last. Like I did karaoke for
Speaker 2: five full hours. I don't know how I still have
Speaker 2: my throat. But like we were singing Arabian nights, like
Speaker 2: we were doing deep cut Disney, not the hits it.
Speaker 1: Was we did. We did some Alpha Ba and Glinda
Speaker 1: and then we segued into very deep cut Disney. It
Speaker 1: was so crazy I don't even know the words.
Speaker 2: I feel like we we started with Gaga. Well, it
Speaker 2: was actually a great experien it's for me and baby.
Speaker 2: It's because I felt safe because it was all our friends.
Speaker 2: But usually with karaoke, like I don't want to look
Speaker 2: at the words. I want to be a performer, Like
Speaker 2: I want to know a song inside and out, and
Speaker 2: like I was singing to Green Day songs I didn't
Speaker 2: really know. Like looking at the words is fine, and
Speaker 2: I'm kind it's kind of opened me up where I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be more free at karaoke to just like pick
Speaker 2: a song and do it right. I did try to
Speaker 2: do Desposito and that was a mistake. And I don't
Speaker 2: know any of those words.
Speaker 1: Also, if you're wondering what happened with the sprinklers, our
Speaker 1: friends did go inside and grab towels and just cover
Speaker 1: all the sprinklers with towels so that we didn't just
Speaker 1: sit getting soaked. And I thought that we turned the
Speaker 1: water off. Oh they did.
Speaker 2: When I originally well because we needed the owners of
Speaker 2: the house to text us so but before they texted
Speaker 2: us back, we were throwing towels everywhere, and then we
Speaker 2: went and turned off the water.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, smart, Oh my god. I just couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: I was like, I haven't noticed a sprinkler on this
Speaker 1: house in two days. And then the day it comes on,
Speaker 1: we're out there sitting waiting. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So then we came home and then our friend was
Speaker 2: so sick. I've been taking tests like I'm fine, but
Speaker 2: not that you guys care. I'm not id you, but
Speaker 2: like you know, I was gonna have one more day
Speaker 2: at our friend's house, like to lounge before the flights,
Speaker 2: but that was not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: And so the New York crew we went to Alcove. Oh,
Speaker 1: I love Alcove. I love Alcove. It's one of my
Speaker 1: favorite places in LA. I'm obsessed with it. But I've
Speaker 1: never sat at the bar. And we were at the
Speaker 1: bar for five hours. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: And then I was like pretty hammered, and I said,
Speaker 2: do you have a cake flight? And he goes, no,
Speaker 2: but I'll find you a piece of cake.
Speaker 1: And so he got us about to ask you did
Speaker 1: you eat any cake? Because there was cakes are right
Speaker 1: near the bar.
Speaker 2: Well that's why I was like, I can't choose a cake.
Speaker 2: Do you have a little sampler cake platter, and he
Speaker 2: was like, no, but we have some deformed cakes you
Speaker 2: can have. So he gave us like an ugly piece
Speaker 2: of cake that looked gorgeous.
Speaker 1: I love it, but I had graze.
Speaker 2: There's a happy I mean, I love alcove in and out.
Speaker 2: Give me that tuneam I didn't have the tune them out.
Speaker 2: But oh my god, we had Jimmy Johns in the
Speaker 2: way out. Is there not a more perfect vacation than
Speaker 2: ending on Jimmy John's. No, that's amazing. There was an
Speaker 2: Arby's surprise. Our friend loves Arby's. You know, we all
Speaker 2: have our secrets, and his friends ordered him Arby's.
Speaker 1: Which have you ever had? I had never had Arby's.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed my Halopeno poppers.
Speaker 2: I was about to say those Jlopano poppers. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: would eat just those. They were fucking incredible. They were good,
Speaker 2: better than a restaurant like. I felt like the layers
Speaker 2: of the crunch with the cream and the fried were perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those were really good. I had a couple of
Speaker 1: Wazzarella sticks and then the people that ordered that got
Speaker 1: me an impossible burger because they know I don't do Arby's,
Speaker 1: and Arby's doesn't offer really anything for vegetarians, so that
Speaker 1: which is weird because I don't think that meat is
Speaker 1: actually me like, I wonder. I guess their whole thing
Speaker 1: is like, we have the meat, so we can't have
Speaker 1: anything else for anybody else.
Speaker 2: But you know, I had two, I had three arby
Speaker 2: sandwiches that we like. I kept making them.
Speaker 1: I kept putting my own cheese, oh, microwaving them. It happened.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you, guys. You know
Speaker 1: what we were living in a life of luxury. Wait,
Speaker 1: did you give Rosie her gummy vampires? Loves them? And
Speaker 1: she loves them even more Oscar Okay loves them. Keeps
Speaker 1: coming home from school and going, can I have a
Speaker 1: gummy fang? And I'm like you have to wait till
Speaker 1: after dinner And he's like no, he like threw a
Speaker 1: fit yesterday because he could have a gummy fang. Loves them. There.
Speaker 1: I actually you ate one in front of me and
Speaker 1: you were like, eh, not what I was expecting or
Speaker 1: not your favorite. I thought that. I think they're delicious.
Speaker 1: I've had a couple of them. Oh good good. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they look like dentures.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I think I hope everyone gets rich
Speaker 2: friends who get them a giant house, some palm springs.
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to tell you, wish that
Speaker 1: for all of you. That's our problemn expression September for
Speaker 1: all of you. Oh yeah, when this episode comes out,
Speaker 1: it'll just have been my birthday. Oh my god, I'll
Speaker 1: have gone to dinner. I'm doing like a chill birthday
Speaker 1: because the palm Springs was really taking up a lot
Speaker 1: of my excitement for you know, weeks. So I didn't
Speaker 1: really like plan anything, and.
Speaker 2: I'm no even yesterday someone said I looked tan and
Speaker 2: I was happy about that.
Speaker 1: That's great. You were very conscious about your sunscreen. Though,
Speaker 1: I will say, in case your dermatologist listens, if mine does,
Speaker 1: she certainly hates me. But I was going to say,
Speaker 1: speaking of birthdays, I want to call out that last
Speaker 1: week our episode Monogamy came out on John Ritter's birthday.
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy that, like a lot of people have
Speaker 1: message us and been like, did you guys do that
Speaker 1: on purpose? And I just want to let everyone know
Speaker 1: we did not know that that was a coincidence, but
Speaker 1: kind of crazy because we did talk about how much
Speaker 1: we love him.
Speaker 2: I feel like that is not a coincidence. I mean
Speaker 2: it is an actual coincidence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but spiritually I don't feel like it's a coincidence.
Speaker 1: Stars aligning. Yeah, yeah, I do feel that way.
Speaker 2: Oh remember when we went some plums for the one
Speaker 2: time and you got for a tarot person that was yeah,
Speaker 2: I like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's great. I like that. She was one that
Speaker 1: told me there was feminine and energy around my pregnancy
Speaker 1: even then I had Oscar. But there's still the jury
Speaker 1: still out on Oscar. He does love to wear a dress,
Speaker 1: so she could have been completely right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, boys can have feminine energy because he also loves Elsa.
Speaker 1: He does, and he loves Gabby. He loves a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff that is classically found.
Speaker 2: Wait, Kara, did I tell you too? I also my
Speaker 2: quick little la jaunt. I went to Laurel Hardware for
Speaker 2: the first time.
Speaker 1: Oh, what were your thoughts?
Speaker 2: It's a scene. Everyone's sexy. I don't know how people
Speaker 2: got to eat in crop tops. That is a confusing
Speaker 2: thing for me. I don't under I understand crop tops
Speaker 2: out and about going to dinner and a crop top
Speaker 2: I will never understand. I mean even if with having
Speaker 2: like I just don't but a scene buzzy.
Speaker 1: We were outside. The food not very good, and I
Speaker 1: should have known. I think everyone is wearing a crop top.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. It used to be good. And then
Speaker 1: I think, because like I used to live by this restaurant,
Speaker 1: everybody no because you told me about it before, that's
Speaker 1: ye excited. It's an outdoorsy like Ceni La restaurant, and
Speaker 1: I used to go there, like take my parents or
Speaker 1: Jared and I would to go on a date. It's
Speaker 1: actually the last meal I ate before I had Rosie
Speaker 1: was at Laurel Hardware. We went and had dinner there
Speaker 1: and then we checked into the hospital, and I think
Speaker 1: that they basically were like, oh, we can kind of
Speaker 1: like chill with the food because no one's really eating it,
Speaker 1: because like everybody's gorgeous. Every server I've ever had there
Speaker 1: could be a cover model, like every server is so beautiful.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, oh, exactly what you're saying, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't really need to serve great food because people
Speaker 1: are probably not eating, but they used to have great food.
Speaker 1: I used to love a lot of the food there.
Speaker 1: And they have a great drink called I think the
Speaker 1: gangster that's like a watermelon bod could drink that I love.
Speaker 2: No, Like, I would go back for a vibe, Like
Speaker 2: it seems like a good place for a big group dinner,
Speaker 2: you know, like you can fit a lot of people.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of different types of food. But they
Speaker 2: kept bragging about making the like the pizza dough and
Speaker 2: pasta in house, and it's like, huh really yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And they're always like that's one of the
Speaker 1: places where they're always like, have you eaten with us before?
Speaker 1: So everything's designed to share. It's like you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: but everything is the price of an entree. So it's
Speaker 1: just funny that you're like everything's designed to share. But
Speaker 1: I you know, it's it's definitely worth like an LA
Speaker 1: fun night out if you're in town. Look at us
Speaker 1: doing unsponsored spawn for Laurel Hardware.
Speaker 2: I did so many LA stuff. I went to swingers.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's very LA.
Speaker 1: Okay the diner, Yeah, yeah, I guess that's it. Well.
Speaker 2: No, I had a huge moment because I was at
Speaker 2: Diego's class in West Hollywood for the Taylor Swift Tuesday
Speaker 2: and as I walked out of class, Taylor had endorsed Harris,
Speaker 2: so we're very happy.
Speaker 1: I sat on a bench and I was just like, yes, bitch,
Speaker 1: childless cat lady like I was really really happy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought that she chose good words and she was.
Speaker 1: It was a good it was a great endorsement. So
Speaker 1: happy that she has come out and done that. And
Speaker 1: then Donald Trump on truth social I hate Taylor Swift
Speaker 1: in caps. So we're dealing with a child and some
Speaker 1: people are still undecided. It's so fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The the evil thoughts that go through my head as
Speaker 2: you say that is who is the guy Ken in
Speaker 2: the red sweater?
Speaker 1: Got a life? Remember him? Do you remember get in Bone?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just confused. I hate one is
Speaker 1: shoe voters, but I am just like abortion for all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on demand. Let's we should probably get started because this
Speaker 1: interview is going to be deluxe because it's it is long.
Speaker 2: Well, I can't wait to hear about your birthday. I
Speaker 2: know you're doing something chill but hopefully spectacular.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe some fun uh fun events will befall me,
Speaker 1: but we'll see as usual. Guys. A reminder that we
Speaker 1: are on tour coming up very soon in just like
Speaker 1: three but I'm also sure kids will make you something
Speaker 1: you sliss. You know, Yeah, they'll do something cute. I
Speaker 1: will see, We'll see, It'll be no, they will, they will.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be in Denver, Phoenix, San Diego, La San Francisco,
Speaker 1: and Portland. Go to That's Messed Up Live dot com
Speaker 1: for tickets. That's where we have all the legit ticket links.
Speaker 1: I also wanted to also go to That's Messed Up
Speaker 1: Live dot com. You can also scroll down and click
Speaker 1: on Lisa's I think where I have Lisa's website. It
Speaker 1: takes you to her link tree that has all her
Speaker 1: tour dates because she's on the road. And I'm starting
Speaker 1: a new live stream slash podcast with my good friend
Speaker 1: Jackie Zebrowski over on the lot Last podcast Network. It's
Speaker 1: going to be called Who's the Bitch. It's a live
Speaker 1: calling advice show. If you're interested in sharing a crazy
Speaker 1: story with us, you can do it by DM email, voicemail,
Speaker 1: or you can call in live during our live streams.
Speaker 1: The first live stream is Monday, September alreadieth, and then
Speaker 1: episodes will come out every Wednesday.
Speaker 2: I also feel like there's a big crossover between exactly
Speaker 2: right and last podcast left network.
Speaker 1: People. Yes, I feel a lot.
Speaker 2: Of it might be a big match made in heaven
Speaker 2: for a lot of you. Yeah, so if you're out
Speaker 2: of a guy, I'm gonna start prank calling the dial.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god, don't dare you? You start calling
Speaker 1: in and like disguising your voice. You're like, I host
Speaker 1: a podcast with this dumb bitch, and I'm like, Lisa,
Speaker 1: stop calling. But yeah, so those are That's like a
Speaker 1: new thing I've got going on. Go see li'sa on
Speaker 1: the road. Come see us on the road. Guys, we're excited,
Speaker 1: we're working.
Speaker 2: I do have one more thing to add, and I
Speaker 2: apologize that we can't stop ever talking. But I was
Speaker 2: staying at a friend's house while he was out of
Speaker 2: town in LA and his roommate left the oven on.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh you know I'm sensitive to monoxide
Speaker 2: like most humans, yes, mentally, and like you would already
Speaker 2: told me about your family's like aversion to even candles,
Speaker 2: And so I immediately texted you back, going, don't tell
Speaker 2: your mom like she cannot know about this.
Speaker 1: Like I was like couching, like, god, a man, I'm
Speaker 1: watching Southern Like I don't feel what's going on during
Speaker 1: a historic LA heat wave. It's on four hundred degrees.
Speaker 1: Oh my fucking god, I'm glad you made it out.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get started. We've got a great episode
Speaker 1: for you guys.
Speaker 2: All right, so we will be doing Contact, not the
Speaker 2: space movie. Do you know there's a movie name Contact. Yes,
Speaker 2: I think it's Jody Foster Johnny Depp, but I'm not
Speaker 2: sure it is. It is Jody Foster for sure. I
Speaker 2: don't know about Johnny Depp, but it is for sure
Speaker 2: Jody Foster. And Katia talks about it all the time.
Speaker 1: It's like a joke about her on her podcast and
Speaker 1: also in un all the time they're making Contact jokes,
Speaker 1: and like, really, I just don't know if it's like
Speaker 1: Matthew McConney, Matthew mconnay. I don't know if it's like
Speaker 1: a movie that's so bad it's good, or it's like
Speaker 1: actually a good movie that people overlooked. Like I really
Speaker 1: can't tell the vibe from what they're talking about, but
Speaker 1: they reference Contact an insane amount of times on that.
Speaker 2: Shohnny Depp was in the Astronaut's Wife. That's the space
Speaker 2: of it all. But I don't even think it's about
Speaker 2: outer space. Yeah, like I think it's he comes back,
Speaker 2: but clea Duval friend of the Pod, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I have not seen any of these movies. Let me
Speaker 1: see what the contact? What is it even about?
Speaker 2: Doctor Ellie Arroway, after years of searching, finds conclusive radio
Speaker 2: proof of extraterrestrial intelligence sending plans for a mysterious machine. Okay, great,
Speaker 2: very nineties. Tom Scarett, another friend of the Pod. It's
Speaker 2: really crazy. He can't get away from the Friends of
Speaker 2: the Pod. Now, no, they really are everywhere. Okay, but
Speaker 2: this is actually season one of SVU, episode nineteen, and
Speaker 2: it is really cool to watch season one because I
Speaker 2: feel you see the round work of the consistent moments
Speaker 2: through the years.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yes, Like I'm like, ah,
Speaker 1: this of course this is gonna happen, but it hadn't before.
Speaker 1: Like this is where it all it all went down.
Speaker 2: So it starts off, We're in a bustling subway, blonde
Speaker 2: business lady on the phone and oh my god, it's
Speaker 2: Nicole Sullivan and she's in bangs and you know, she's
Speaker 2: holding a coffee and she's talking about great prices. She
Speaker 2: does lose the call right as the train comes and
Speaker 2: the phone is a full antenna, like she grabbed it
Speaker 2: from the kitchen wall.
Speaker 1: Phone it just like with her, so like, I'm just
Speaker 1: like this, you guys know, this is one of my
Speaker 1: most haunting episodes. But also I love it because I
Speaker 1: love her.
Speaker 2: I think she's great, She's very good, and she made
Speaker 2: me and my family laugh for years and now it
Speaker 2: will be the opposite. And so, you know, the train
Speaker 2: is moderately packed. We get shots of everyone's faces, and
Speaker 2: then they pull out and they're on the f train
Speaker 2: and then uh oh, someone comes in and he has
Speaker 2: a box cutter, and this man grabs Nicole, pushes her
Speaker 2: against the middle like middle train door area, and does
Speaker 2: rape her. And the there's a shot from the other
Speaker 2: side of the glass, so you see her face get smashed.
Speaker 1: So that's really graphic, just very graphic. And then you
Speaker 1: see people notice and not do anything to help, and yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fucked up and crazy. And so I thought about
Speaker 1: this a lot because everyone's just watching it happen. But
Speaker 1: the box cutter does change everything because what if you
Speaker 1: do get involved and then the box cutter cuts this
Speaker 1: person's deck, Like, at what point do you get attacked. Well,
Speaker 1: remember like, do you do you know this? Do you
Speaker 1: know the comic Doug Smith or see he stopped a
Speaker 1: woman from getting assaulted on a train platform and got
Speaker 1: slashed in the face and still has a scar from it,
Speaker 1: But he's a hero. I mean, it's very like. It
Speaker 1: obviously makes me think of Kitty Genevezi, even though like
Speaker 1: in our research and a lot of the after more
Speaker 1: recent studies of Kitty Genevezia wasn't exactly like the same
Speaker 1: thing where so many people are just standing around watching
Speaker 1: a crime happen. But in this case that is what's happening,
Speaker 1: and it's very That's why this is so haunting to me,
Speaker 1: I think as well, not only because I took the
Speaker 1: subway so much, but also that like just all these
Speaker 1: people would stand around and not do anything like I
Speaker 1: like to think I would do something. I've stood up
Speaker 1: to people on the train before who albeit do not
Speaker 1: have weapons as far as I know, but who have
Speaker 1: been like harassing older women or something like that. I've
Speaker 1: definitely said something, and I've at least been like, you
Speaker 1: can yell at me instead of this old lady. You know,
Speaker 1: but I don't know, You're right the box cutter scary
Speaker 1: and if the trains in mids or yeah, like if
Speaker 1: the train's in mid stop, you can you get somebody
Speaker 1: like I'll get into it more with the real crime
Speaker 1: as well. But there's not always conductors and all these trains,
Speaker 1: like some of them are not being conducted. There's less staff,
Speaker 1: there's cutbacks like so you know, yeah, or by somebody
Speaker 1: always tough, what a freak.
Speaker 2: So yeah, people are noticing sitting watching her get viciously
Speaker 2: raped and then he runs out at the next stop.
Speaker 2: She crumbles slowly to the floor in shock. She's breathing heavy.
Speaker 2: And of course we're in the credits old school baby,
Speaker 2: I feel like there was a more what is it
Speaker 2: a Sepia like, yeah, yes, there was like a brown
Speaker 2: tinge to the credits, I would say. And so we're
Speaker 2: at the office they're saying, oh, it happened again on
Speaker 2: the Sea train, and it's like, no, I noticed it
Speaker 2: was the F train, So are we talking about another
Speaker 2: one or what's going on here?
Speaker 1: Because that's not a reason it haunted me because the
Speaker 1: Sea was my train, I know.
Speaker 2: But I they pulled out and showed a thing of
Speaker 2: the F so I am confused, But Anyway, so we
Speaker 2: have Curly cue Michelle Hurd Season one Marishka. Suspenders are
Speaker 2: popping on Kragan and basically this dude is like three
Speaker 2: seconds boom gone. And this has happened seven times in
Speaker 2: six months, which sucks. So they all go to work
Speaker 2: Munch slash Monique slash Michelle. They are walking and working.
Speaker 2: Munch is in his feelings because it's his wedding anniversary,
Speaker 2: and so she asks which one and he says exactly.
Speaker 1: Lol.
Speaker 2: So they meet some uniform Munch's Munch in this episode
Speaker 2: like he's the lead detective.
Speaker 1: It seems it seems like I'm in this episode. And
Speaker 1: then a reporter is there as well.
Speaker 2: So anyways, they get to the train, there's uniform cops
Speaker 2: and a reporter is there. They hate him, but he's like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm helping. We're on Spring Street. It's paused the train.
Speaker 2: Cops want to to start the train again, but our
Speaker 2: people want to investigate since there was a rape. We
Speaker 2: have Georgi aka Wellie Yang and he is the CSU
Speaker 2: tech here on the seam on the scene, not a seam,
Speaker 2: and he has like some you know, sassy banter with mine.
Speaker 2: Oh god. The Bureau crats, and so they do that. Sadly,
Speaker 2: it's hard to get prints though, because all the metal
Speaker 2: has anti graffiti sprays on it, like there's some kind
Speaker 2: of oils on it, and that also prevents oils from
Speaker 2: hands getting on it. But they have prints on the
Speaker 2: glass window, but several hundreds, so that's kind of tough.
Speaker 2: And all the footprints are partial, but the coffee cup
Speaker 2: is still on the floor, so that is a whim
Speaker 2: And so then that leads us tentacle Sullivan's apartment, and
Speaker 2: she says, you know, if I didn't stop for coffee,
Speaker 2: I would have been on a different train, and she's messy.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I always like hearing the stories of the opposite of that,
Speaker 2: like I was gonna be there on nine to eleven,
Speaker 2: but I decided not to fly, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: Like so many stories like that of people I've heard, like, oh,
Speaker 1: my friend's dad was late for a meeting that day
Speaker 1: and missed nine to eleven, Like my friend decided to
Speaker 1: take his call from home, like all kinds of shit
Speaker 1: like that. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I lighting doors, Oh yeah, I like that better
Speaker 2: versus oh, this terrible thing happened. Yeah, so that sucks,
Speaker 2: but she has a messy bonn and a gray zippy hoodie,
Speaker 2: you know, home comfortable, amazing view. She curls up on
Speaker 2: a chair as the detectives tell her it's not her FM.
Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, I know, so she's got she's got attitude.
Speaker 1: And I do enjoy that.
Speaker 2: And they try, you know, I'm glad the detectives are
Speaker 2: doing their job, and I'm glad.
Speaker 1: She's like, shut the fuck up. So then they try
Speaker 1: to get scoop. She got on it. Hoyt.
Speaker 2: I hate it, sketch her criminal corn, like the worst,
Speaker 2: the worst.
Speaker 1: Wait stop ever you say Hoyit skirmer Horn or Hoyd Schirmerhorn,
Speaker 1: I like hate it. I never want to say it
Speaker 1: out loud. I truly just go like hoy Like, I
Speaker 1: know I used to babysit a kid, don't.
Speaker 2: I'm also never there, like I'm never really there, so
Speaker 2: I you know, I think it's my the ace in Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: So but that's like the only time I've ever I
Speaker 2: don't fuck around with Hoyts Schmemermorn.
Speaker 1: I hate it.
Speaker 2: So she was taking it up to the fiftieth Street
Speaker 2: and at the station she stop for a latte. She
Speaker 2: did not see him before the attack, and you know,
Speaker 2: this is kind of a common thing too, but she's,
Speaker 2: you know, she's okay with it, but also realizing that
Speaker 2: she did just stand still and what the fuck? Like
Speaker 2: all that kickboxing for nothing, and you know, but it
Speaker 2: happened so fast she couldn't even believe it was happening.
Speaker 2: And while Stable's trying to ask questions, he's sneezing, he's wet,
Speaker 2: gross tissues, He's a sick mess. She is grossed out
Speaker 2: by him. But she did get a good look at
Speaker 2: the attacker, thin sandy brown, pointy beak, nose, but she
Speaker 2: can't tell the height because you know, he had her pinned.
Speaker 2: And she's such a good actress. She's emotional but controlled.
Speaker 2: There was a knife, she says, or something, and he
Speaker 2: was wearing dark clothing with a hooded sweatshirt. And she
Speaker 2: says that he was panting at her, panting like a dog,
Speaker 2: and he did leave his mark on her dress. So that's,
Speaker 2: you know, Monica Lewinsky style. What a dumb bitch friend
Speaker 2: that friend was?
Speaker 1: What is it in a trip? Yeah? Fuck her? Oh yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean they don't do her, They don't do her
Speaker 1: any favors in the in the TV series where Sarah
Speaker 1: Paulson plays her like they do her no favors. They
Speaker 1: make her look like a sad fucking bitch. For her,
Speaker 1: she is right, like why would you fuck over your
Speaker 1: friend like that? She was like, I don't know. The
Speaker 1: way that they at least portray her in that is
Speaker 1: that she had this like overinflated sense of importance, that
Speaker 1: like it was her job to make sure that integrity
Speaker 1: was existing inside the government and that you don't do
Speaker 1: this kind of thing in the Oval office, and that
Speaker 1: she had to be the one to step forward, and
Speaker 1: like I think she always thought, at least the way
Speaker 1: they portray her, and again it's a television show, that
Speaker 1: she was going to have this like shining moment and
Speaker 1: be like upheld like a hero and not. And then
Speaker 1: the show shows how kind of devastated she was by
Speaker 1: how everybody treated her, like she was ridiculed on Saturday
Speaker 1: Night Live and played by John Goodman, you know, like
Speaker 1: she she didn't get what she wanted, that's for sure,
Speaker 1: and she was a bad friend, a terrible friend. The
Speaker 1: other thing is I will say about this fucking guy
Speaker 1: is like, what kind of psychotic like not confidence, arrogance,
Speaker 1: like to go onto a train that crowded and commit
Speaker 1: a crime like this and to think no one will
Speaker 1: stop me, and and you didn't have to think it.
Speaker 1: That's what happened, Like yeah, end of the day, no
Speaker 1: one does anything. So it's like, look, a lot of
Speaker 1: things can happen on trains that are like less crowd
Speaker 1: this this train is at rush hour, Like it's really
Speaker 1: kind of wildly I don't know, ballsy and arrogant to
Speaker 1: do it, but I guess it worked out in his favor.
Speaker 2: But many times, yeah, yeah, so hopefully there's evidence there.
Speaker 2: But we go to talk to some of the witnesses.
Speaker 2: A man in a suit said he did watch, so
Speaker 2: that's cool. Yea truly insane. But the suitman could tell
Speaker 2: that this guy was white, five ten hooded sweatshirt and
Speaker 2: like a heavy jacket and it's navy.
Speaker 1: Color, and he does some kind of it's a navy peace.
Speaker 2: But he does some kind of like navel joke that
Speaker 2: doesn't go over well, Like he tries to do some
Speaker 2: like I'm in the Navy, does not land gross gross scringe,
Speaker 2: and then he says, you know, but the guy had
Speaker 2: dirty pants and strip streaks, and then he remember being like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, because I was like, oh, I don't want
Speaker 2: to be near the paint guy because he might get
Speaker 2: it on my jacket. Benson hands and Pockets walks towards
Speaker 2: him and says he's on her and you're worried about
Speaker 2: your coat.
Speaker 1: So that was annoying.
Speaker 2: So then now we're with a man in a trench coat,
Speaker 2: and Jeffries and Munch want like they want to put
Speaker 2: some decoys out there, some ghosts to look for him,
Speaker 2: and Jefferies goes, okay, well, then go do that, and
Speaker 2: then they start like bullying these these transit people too.
Speaker 2: They're like, where are the cameras, where are the transit cops?
Speaker 2: What's going on? And this dude gets defensive and is like, hey, yeah,
Speaker 2: next year we'll have all that.
Speaker 1: But even all the computers in the world.
Speaker 2: Are not going to stop some guy from sticking his
Speaker 2: hand up some girl's skirt. And she yells rape greenberg,
Speaker 2: not fondling, not petting, not unwanted advances, rape on your subway, remember,
Speaker 2: and he walks away. She does stare him down. Now
Speaker 2: we have to go talk to another witness. Munched Stable
Speaker 2: are talking to her to flower shop outdoor situation.
Speaker 1: She's not helpful, she.
Speaker 2: Didn't hear anything, doesn't remember anything, doesn't want to say anything,
Speaker 2: like we hate her.
Speaker 1: So we leave and it's like, bitch, you did see
Speaker 1: it all.
Speaker 2: We saw you watch her, We saw you watch her
Speaker 2: getting raped, and now you're pretending you don't know anything.
Speaker 2: But she has an accent, so maybe she's scared of
Speaker 2: the cops or something. So we have a team meeting.
Speaker 2: They're all at the office. Craigan introduces them to doctor
Speaker 2: Audrey Jackson, a forensic psychologist aka Audrey McDonald Broadway legend.
Speaker 2: So the Deputy commissioner thought it would be good if
Speaker 2: she joined the team, and of course they are less
Speaker 2: than thrilled.
Speaker 1: Only Benson says high to her. They fill Daddy.
Speaker 2: Craigan in on everything they learned through the day, and
Speaker 2: the thing is like, and the the only thing they
Speaker 2: can find consistent with all the victims that is that
Speaker 2: they were all wearing skirts. And Adre is not impressed
Speaker 2: and she's like, that's all you got, and stablerd turns
Speaker 2: around pissed and super dead Pant says, women wearing skirts
Speaker 2: on the subway like an extra little detail. But then
Speaker 2: She's like okay, and then they all tell her they're
Speaker 2: like it's different ages, racist bodies, everything, and she pushes back,
Speaker 2: so she's like okay, So he overpowers them. Is the
Speaker 2: knife part of it, like the thrill of overpowering and
Speaker 2: she's it's not like they're she's being Were they mean
Speaker 2: to bed Wong when he first started to I.
Speaker 1: Think that's the thing, is like, yeah, she's coming at
Speaker 1: it from the psychological she's the pre beady Wong, the
Speaker 1: pre Wong, and they're kind of like, what the fuck
Speaker 1: are you doing. They're not used to it yet, I guess,
Speaker 1: and so they're kind of like, you're in our business.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if they're mean to him at
Speaker 1: the beginning.
Speaker 2: My confusion is like she's only trying to help you
Speaker 2: guys solve this crime, So like, what's the what's the problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I don't understand here. He didn't come
Speaker 1: out until his first Quang's first episode is not until
Speaker 1: the end of season two with Peak, which we have covered,
Speaker 1: And I wonder if when he was talking about all
Speaker 1: the hat pin pricking that they were like shut the
Speaker 1: fuck up. But like, yeah, I'm figuring it out. You know, yeah,
Speaker 1: and she's helpful here. It's just like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe they're trying to show why the police are silly,
Speaker 1: Like aren't usually detectives in the movies studying at a library,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, we need you,
Speaker 1: We need we need Clarice Starling to get inside.
Speaker 2: The head of the guy, you know, like yeah, but
Speaker 2: they hate and she's like, listen, I'm just here to help,
Speaker 2: and Craig and Flatley says, we're over the moon. You
Speaker 2: have come to help so much walks on over to
Speaker 2: her and goes, okay, doctor lady, tell us what insights
Speaker 2: you have and she's like, well, he's a dog.
Speaker 1: What gets him off is the hunt.
Speaker 2: And Monique is like, you make it sound like foreplay,
Speaker 2: and she's like, yep, to him, it is. And you
Speaker 2: can't really plant any decoys or anything because you don't
Speaker 2: have a type. And so I guess we just have
Speaker 2: to wait till the next crime. And much answers a
Speaker 2: ringing phone and uh oh, no more waiting needed. The
Speaker 2: dog found another human fire hydrant, which is language I
Speaker 2: didn't really need. But they're off to fifty Night the
Speaker 2: Street and we meet a real New York or wise
Speaker 2: guy type of cop. He's confident, and we also see
Speaker 2: the reporter from before.
Speaker 1: There's a nod. They nod, So the wise Guy walks
Speaker 1: up to them proudly. He's like, yeah, we got to
Speaker 1: suspect apprehended. This guy looks like a creep.
Speaker 2: And this guy's name is Bruce Bond, and well, it's
Speaker 2: funny the character both the this is this happens twice
Speaker 2: in this episode where the first name of the character
Speaker 2: and the actor name are the same, only the last
Speaker 2: name is different. So Bruce and then later we'll meet
Speaker 2: us out that is their real name, so oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: And so he was officer lou and Fargo if you're
Speaker 2: thinking about who this man is. And so he in
Speaker 2: cement room bars and he does look like a creep. Sorry,
Speaker 2: and he says the train jerked and I fell against her.
Speaker 2: Oh you fell okay? Well how many times did you
Speaker 2: fall against her? And he's like, ah, she overreacted, and
Speaker 2: Benson's goes, well I think she underreacted. And this dude
Speaker 2: is like, I had a hand on a pole and
Speaker 2: then one in my pocket and it's like doing what
Speaker 2: and Benson goes, we have three witnesses that put you
Speaker 2: on top of her, and he's like, the train jerk,
Speaker 2: the train jerked. He has paint on his pants, ding,
Speaker 2: ding ding, and then he's like, well, it's from painting
Speaker 2: a window, and Benson goes, well, if you paint for
Speaker 2: a living, why would you remember if it's like from
Speaker 2: one window or another.
Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense. He stands up.
Speaker 2: He doesn't say much, but you know, it does give
Speaker 2: a better view of the paint. And Benson asked him
Speaker 2: to take his pants off. He doesn't really want to,
Speaker 2: but you know he has to. But he starts talking
Speaker 2: about window displays and that's what he actually works on,
Speaker 2: is like store windows. But then he says kind of
Speaker 2: and they're like, what the fuck do you mean by
Speaker 2: kind of? And why didn't you say anything about any
Speaker 2: of this? And he's like, well, I'm scared. You know,
Speaker 2: it sounds fruity. It sounds fruity that I do store
Speaker 2: window displays, but I like women. And they're like, okay,
Speaker 2: take your pants off. What are you talking about. Audre
Speaker 2: and Craigan are in the spy window and Audre does
Speaker 2: not think this is the guy. He is sweating and
Speaker 2: childlike and he seems like a kid that's lying about
Speaker 2: a book he didn't read. And he feels guilty about
Speaker 2: something though, but she doesn't think it's this. Craigan makes
Speaker 2: a joke, well maybe you know he's Catholic and he
Speaker 2: feels guilty about everything. But so then they go to
Speaker 2: the DNA check on the sample in the pants and
Speaker 2: compare it to the other seven rapes, and this is
Speaker 2: when he's denying all the rapes and uh oh, Stabler
Speaker 2: notices in the pocket that he takes off that there
Speaker 2: is a hole. There's a hole in the pocket and
Speaker 2: it's a PERV trick. So she Benson like goes at
Speaker 2: him and she calls his dick Willie, which is uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: So then he's denying its public masturbating or being a
Speaker 2: perver rapist. But they arrest his ass and Craigan says,
Speaker 2: we'll just see how this jives with the other witnesses.
Speaker 1: Jib what it's like this Episodes from nineteen seventy four. Okay,
Speaker 1: I so i I've had I've come across this in
Speaker 1: English before, and our English teachers can like come help us,
Speaker 1: But like I believe you're supposed to be saying jibes
Speaker 1: like it's g j I b ees and people have
Speaker 1: sort of like I thought jibe was like a sailing term. No,
Speaker 1: actually that's wrong. I don't know, maybe I'm incorrect.
Speaker 2: Uh, but like I think it's jibes with like a V,
Speaker 2: like a victor.
Speaker 1: I know, but I've heard people say that doesn't vibe
Speaker 1: with what I'm talking about. I've heard people say it
Speaker 1: with a B and like yeah, So like in Britannica,
Speaker 1: jibe is in the Britannic it says his story didn't
Speaker 1: jibe with the testimony of other witnesses. What he what
Speaker 1: he told me doesn't jibe with my experience, So it
Speaker 1: does mean that. And I think it's based off sailing.
Speaker 1: It says to cause, because to jive is to send
Speaker 1: us cause a sailboat to switch direction. So then I
Speaker 1: think people took it like mixed it with jive, but
Speaker 1: jive is a different thing.
Speaker 2: The jib can also work in this context. I feel like,
Speaker 2: are we jiving together?
Speaker 1: Well, if you look it up, in Britannica, jive is
Speaker 1: talking jive like street jive is like a slang term
Speaker 1: like remember from the movie Airplane where it goes, excuse me,
Speaker 1: miss do you speak jive. It's like a it's like
Speaker 1: never deceptive or foolish talk and informal language that includes
Speaker 1: many slang terms, a type of lively music that is
Speaker 1: especially popular in the early part of the twentieth century.
Speaker 1: And then to say in the US, an old old
Speaker 1: definition is to say something foolish or deceptive. I think
Speaker 1: he's like quote, I think he's jiving me, like there's
Speaker 1: nothing in here about something going along with what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I think the word is supposed to be jibe, but
Speaker 1: I agree that it has been. It is like so
Speaker 1: many words that people have sort of mutated and they've
Speaker 1: taken over different Meaningsica dot com.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know jibe with a bee as in
Speaker 2: boy was even a word. Yeah, but I wonder if
Speaker 2: it's Craigan's saying it, if it's like a cultural thing
Speaker 2: that you're like saying the society switches it up all
Speaker 2: the time, or if it's just the little typer guy
Speaker 2: who does the closed captioning or woman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was.
Speaker 2: Like the one thing about the forty fifth president when
Speaker 2: he was just like fireman or woman or whatever, and
Speaker 2: it's like you could just say firefighter, you fucking illiterate,
Speaker 2: fuck like the I like, it's just so crazy. So
Speaker 2: we go talk to an old lady who saw it
Speaker 2: all and they're circling and the moving and she's like,
Speaker 2: you know, I saw his hands and in the pocket,
Speaker 2: and she was leaning on the medal pole and the
Speaker 2: train jerked and he grabbed the metal pole so we
Speaker 2: wouldn't run into her and adjusted himself. And she's like,
Speaker 2: it was a train jerk, but then he started to
Speaker 2: rub uck against her and that was on purpose.
Speaker 1: And I do really love this old lady.
Speaker 2: But she says, the woman said nothing, and that's why
Speaker 2: this old lady was loud about it. She goes for
Speaker 2: all the times I just stood there and took it
Speaker 2: enough already. And her name is Sylvia Cotters and she
Speaker 2: passed in twenty sixteen, but she wasn't three episodes of SVU,
Speaker 2: so if you'd like to see.
Speaker 1: This cutie again.
Speaker 2: She's then Blinded from season nine and Quickie from season eleven.
Speaker 2: I remember what blind it is, but Quickie, I don't remember,
Speaker 2: just off the top of my head.
Speaker 1: But yeah I don't either. Maybe anonymous quiki dot com
Speaker 1: I'm oh, yeah, that would be amazing, And of course,
Speaker 1: this woman was on an episode of Sex and the
Speaker 1: City the Ick Factor, but her IMDb is mostly credits
Speaker 1: that our old lady, lady, on bench tourist lady and
Speaker 1: so on, so she has played a lot of ladies.
Speaker 2: So we're back in the office and the reporter wants
Speaker 2: to fuck Benson. He's like, oh, man, I missed you
Speaker 2: at that crime scene and she's like, oh, I missed
Speaker 2: you too. There are sparks and they talk Bruce Abbin, you.
Speaker 1: Know, he wants scoop Is he the one?
Speaker 2: And Benson's like, I don't know, you know, it looks promising,
Speaker 2: but we'll see. And then it seems like they're going
Speaker 2: to eat dim sum at eight pm together. Exciting. But
Speaker 2: before we see that, we go to a bricklayer and
Speaker 2: he's husky, he's hot, he has really broad shoulders and
Speaker 2: he's the guy that like pushed Bruce off the woman
Speaker 2: and got into the altercation. And he's like, I put
Speaker 2: I did a Nelson on her, and Jeffreys goes half
Speaker 2: for full and he goes full and he's like, how
Speaker 2: is she doing? And he's super caring and strong and stout,
Speaker 2: and we are obsessed, and he has overalls on. So
Speaker 2: now we go to the hospital and the employee there,
Speaker 2: doctor nurse, I don't remember, but they say no penetration,
Speaker 2: you know, thank god, and he did a pelvic and
Speaker 2: no sign of trauma.
Speaker 1: And she keeps saying, nothing happen.
Speaker 2: And amazing actress Dina Pearlman, and she was actually in
Speaker 2: another SVU episode Pure and that's what Martin short from
Speaker 2: season six. If you remember, yes, and if you remember that,
Speaker 2: you must remember that she is the woman from Sex
Speaker 2: and the City that in the money episode with Carrie
Speaker 2: and Charlotte goes to like melt down her engagement ring
Speaker 2: and this woman wants to, you know, turn her shit
Speaker 2: into bagette and they start melting the diamonds and she
Speaker 2: gets very very upset. And so she's the diamond woman
Speaker 2: from that. She says, he rubbed up, yes, but it's
Speaker 2: not different from most days.
Speaker 1: On the subway.
Speaker 2: Munch and Jeffreys are there and she's like, listen, you
Speaker 2: got to watch out on the subway.
Speaker 1: You read a line, you scan the car.
Speaker 2: You read a line, you scan the car, and you
Speaker 2: mind your own business, which is what that lady should
Speaker 2: have done.
Speaker 1: She's like, there was no rape.
Speaker 2: There wasn't even a flashing situation, which actually did happen
Speaker 2: to me two weeks ago, and it's always gross, and
Speaker 2: I wish I had a subit. I wish I had
Speaker 2: a Mustang and lived in the suburbs, and Munch goes, Amen.
Speaker 2: So we're back, and now it's Craigan and Audra. They
Speaker 2: are fighting. She's like, he didn't rape her, and Craigan goes,
Speaker 2: he just didn't get that chance. So it's lineup time
Speaker 2: and Craigan's like, let's bring them all down here, and
Speaker 2: Audras pissed and she's like, what you want them to
Speaker 2: take the train down?
Speaker 1: And he goes, that's not my problem.
Speaker 2: Season one Kragan, Yeah, he goes, what you think I
Speaker 2: should pick up each of these women and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's exactly what I think. If their anxiety goes up
Speaker 2: on transit and that's how they get around, you don't
Speaker 2: want them stressed during the lineup, do you. And he
Speaker 2: finally is like, yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right. You know, well,
Speaker 2: we'll make sure to get these IDs and make sure
Speaker 2: they go as smooth as possible.
Speaker 1: So Bruce and a bunch of shlubs are in a lineup.
Speaker 2: Woman after one woman says nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
Speaker 2: One bleach lady is pissed, and she goes, I guess
Speaker 2: I'll stay taking cabs, and the other is stressed, but
Speaker 2: you know, you know, Audre is touching her shoulder, and
Speaker 2: one woman with curls is crazed and she's like, it's
Speaker 2: number two, no, number four, yes, no, I don't know,
Speaker 2: and then she's crying. She is stressed. It is sad,
Speaker 2: she says. She sees parts of him everywhere, every man
Speaker 2: on the street. She doesn't see him in there, but
Speaker 2: more than anything, she wishes she did. She breathes, she leaves.
Speaker 2: Another woman says number one, and then a goth cries
Speaker 2: on Jeffrey's shoulder. So now it's Nicole Sullivan and she's like, well,
Speaker 2: what if I'm wrong and they're like, well, that would
Speaker 2: be a trial issue. She's like trial and they go yeah,
Speaker 2: but we also have the DNA, and so she goes, well,
Speaker 2: if you have the DNA, doesn't matter if I'm right
Speaker 2: or wrong right, and Benson goes, well, we would need
Speaker 2: your testimony for the jury, and she goes, yeah, but
Speaker 2: why do you need any of this if you have
Speaker 2: the seamen but anyways, she doesn't even see him.
Speaker 1: We go to blackout. So now there's a lawyer woman.
Speaker 1: We've never seen her in our lives. Again, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know her. And Craigan and Audra are the
Speaker 1: what do we do now?
Speaker 2: And Audre's gonna bully him to admit to the fondling
Speaker 2: because he knows he's guilty. And she goes in their
Speaker 2: guns blazing because just approved to this whole department that
Speaker 2: she's good at her job. Because even when she's like,
Speaker 2: I think he'll do this in that Kraigan's.
Speaker 1: Like, okay, bitch, you know, like he is not.
Speaker 2: He's not trusting of her until the lawyer tries to
Speaker 2: give attitude and she tells him to shut up. She
Speaker 2: lets Bruce know that they are not going to charge
Speaker 2: him for the rapes because they know he didn't do it,
Speaker 2: and he's very surprised that they even believed him. Then
Speaker 2: she asks if he likes riding the subways. He goes, yes,
Speaker 2: The motion rocks you side to side, front to back,
Speaker 2: and it's soothing.
Speaker 1: The lawyer jumps out of his skin. What is this babbel?
Speaker 2: And she's like, I'm trying to make him feel better,
Speaker 2: and he says he says, that's my job, and she goes, no,
Speaker 2: your job is to get him a lesser charge of fondling.
Speaker 2: Bruce stutters out his life story. He's a geek from
Speaker 2: South Dakota. He's an artist. He came to New York.
Speaker 2: It was his dream, but he doesn't know what happened.
Speaker 2: Everything just evaporated. He got drunk and he went to
Speaker 2: a porno place where they like dance behind the window,
Speaker 2: and the next thing he knew he was against the
Speaker 2: glass sweeping. And so then he got on the subway
Speaker 2: and he's saying he didn't do anything because he already
Speaker 2: relieved himself at the porno place. He was not looking
Speaker 2: for sex, but this woman was just so lovely and
Speaker 2: he saw her and when he realized what he was doing,
Speaker 2: he pulled back, but he just wanted some contact. So
Speaker 2: we're at a walk and talk Audre and Craigan, and
Speaker 2: she goes, I don't think he's violent, and Craigan goes,
Speaker 2: he carries her on a box cutter, and she goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe it's to actually open boxes, but he goes, fine,
Speaker 2: then it's not him than who And she's like, well,
Speaker 2: you're looking for your classic power rapist, a guy who
Speaker 2: feels powerless and disenfranchised and uses violence to gain control
Speaker 2: and then goes back to feeling powerless. That's why he
Speaker 2: wants to get caught. And so now we're at a
Speaker 2: bar and this is like very season one. We don't
Speaker 2: it's Benson's out on the town. She's flirting. The reporter
Speaker 2: keeps babbling about the case, and she goes, are we
Speaker 2: working or flirting? And he goes, We're always working and
Speaker 2: she's like, so, I guess we're not flirting and he goes, no,
Speaker 2: I'm offering my undying love to you for the ten
Speaker 2: millionth time, and she goes, well, maybe tonight you'll get lucky,
Speaker 2: and he's like really. So then we go back to
Speaker 2: talking about the subway rapist and they're drinking bottled beer
Speaker 2: and I like that little touch. He then encourages her
Speaker 2: to write a book about sex offenders because she really
Speaker 2: knows these guys well and that's why people move away
Speaker 2: from her on the couch and she's like, gee, thanks,
Speaker 2: that's nice for me, and she gets up to walk
Speaker 2: away and she has a strappy black tank top on
Speaker 2: and then you know, party top diamond studs. But he
Speaker 2: gets up and he's not letting her walk out, and
Speaker 2: she smiles seductively at him, being like, oh, you're blocking
Speaker 2: the door.
Speaker 1: Love that.
Speaker 2: So they smile and they are now making out on
Speaker 2: the couch obsessed. We see a radiator, we see some
Speaker 2: candle six and honestly, it's like a girl vertical blind.
Speaker 1: But she wants to hook up.
Speaker 2: We've never seen Benson this horny. But he can't stop
Speaker 2: bringing up sex crimes. And he's like, do you like
Speaker 2: to have sex with your eyes closed? And she's like, no,
Speaker 2: I like to have sex with my white eyes wide open, baby.
Speaker 2: And so there's more kissing and he keeps trying to talk,
Speaker 2: and she keeps wanting to hook up and for him
Speaker 2: to stop bringing up the rape case. And then while
Speaker 2: wrapped around like he's wrapped around her from the back,
Speaker 2: he goes, let's pretend I'm the guy from the subway.
Speaker 2: She's turned off immediately tells him to stop it. He like,
Speaker 2: she is so grossed out, and she goes, ugh, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go wash my face and hands and my mouth.
Speaker 2: And there's the door and make sure you're out when
Speaker 2: I get out of here. Gone, and she slams the door.
Speaker 2: He feels stupid, but not stupid enough because while he's
Speaker 2: gathering his things, he finds her files and goes through them.
Speaker 2: So then Craigan at his desk reading a folded newspaper
Speaker 2: as Benson enters his office, and we know this is
Speaker 2: not going to be good.
Speaker 1: And he's like, Wow, it's wild.
Speaker 2: This reporter seemed to get right inside the head of
Speaker 2: this rapist, like he got it straight from the horse's mouth.
Speaker 2: She's like, fuck him and his imagination. He was at
Speaker 2: my apartment and on his way out, I turned my
Speaker 2: back for a fucking second. And Craigan goes, never turn
Speaker 2: your back on a reporter. She feels really bad and
Speaker 2: is like, believe me, I won't. He asks if she
Speaker 2: wants him to handle and she goes, oh no, don't worry,
Speaker 2: I will. Munch comes in to say there's been another
Speaker 2: fucking rape and the car is waiting for them at
Speaker 2: Delancey Street station. He sends Munch and Jeffrey's Benson gets
Speaker 2: reassurance from Craigan that they're good, and he's like, we're good,
Speaker 2: We're good. So we're back with an accent heavy uniform
Speaker 2: cop leading them through the subway car and explains that
Speaker 2: the lady was in shock and was taken to the hospital.
Speaker 2: One of the eyewitnesses grabbed the guy's coat and some
Speaker 2: card fell out of the pocket. What's the card? What's
Speaker 2: the card? And it is a parking stub. So but
Speaker 2: he takes the train, So what's with the parking stub?
Speaker 2: That seems very strange to them. So but it is
Speaker 2: their first lead, so they're very excited. The parking stub
Speaker 2: is from six fifty am that morning from Queen's. When
Speaker 2: they go to the garage, the car is not there,
Speaker 2: and so much is suspicious of the parking attendant, like
Speaker 2: how did this dude get this ticket without the.
Speaker 1: Car being dropped off? Like what's going on?
Speaker 2: And he says, well, policy has lost ticket, pays Max
Speaker 2: and he's lying. Munches get like, we all know he's lying.
Speaker 2: Much knows he's lying. So we gotta we gotta get
Speaker 2: to the truth. And Jeffries is digging in the little
Speaker 2: box where do they work in the little box? What
Speaker 2: do they call that little box?
Speaker 1: Whatever? Their little parking box.
Speaker 2: That's where that's where Jeffries is digging around, and she
Speaker 2: finds that the car was picked up a couple hours ago.
Speaker 2: So Munch is like, oh, so the policy has lost ticket,
Speaker 2: you keep the maximum. He doesn't want to get fired,
Speaker 2: so he tells us exactly who this person from the
Speaker 2: car is.
Speaker 1: So he goes, this guy always parks here, white.
Speaker 2: Skinny, pointy nose, a couple of cars, van or a truck,
Speaker 2: but all from the same place, Dual's painting contractors. So
Speaker 2: we head on over to Duels and we talked to
Speaker 2: a painter and white overalls being classic as hell, you know,
Speaker 2: like he looks like he paints, he's carrying stuff, like
Speaker 2: he's busy at the detectives, he has a flannel, he's
Speaker 2: got it going on. And so he tells Jefferys in
Speaker 2: Munch that only one white guy works with them, so
Speaker 2: that's easy, and that's sal Avelino played by sal Viscuso, and.
Speaker 1: He stays working.
Speaker 2: His first credit is the nineteen seventies and he did
Speaker 2: like a bunch of episodes of mash so really exciting.
Speaker 2: And one credit that really caught my eye was he's
Speaker 2: the voice of the Reservoir Dogs video game, which I
Speaker 2: didn't even know that it existed, and it probably is
Speaker 2: really violent, Like do you just saw his ear off, like, I.
Speaker 1: Don't my video great question. Oh yeah, it's Cops.
Speaker 2: It's basically a cops shoot him up game from two
Speaker 2: thousand and six. This is so funny. I wonder if
Speaker 2: it did well, Maybe that'll be my thing. I'll play
Speaker 2: video games from movies like I bet that could get
Speaker 2: get me excited. I mean, the graphics seem worse than
Speaker 2: two thousand and six, but maybe I don't. Maybe two
Speaker 2: thousand and six was just that long ago. Yeah, graphics
Speaker 2: have come along line, that's for sure, but we're still
Speaker 2: talking to the guy just getting scoop and the scoop
Speaker 2: guys like, yeah, Sal's been here for about a year,
Speaker 2: part time, not even that, but you know, because he's
Speaker 2: annoying when he takes the car, you never know when
Speaker 2: he'll come back. He took a car to get some supplies,
Speaker 2: came back three hours later.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm gonna fire him one of these days.
Speaker 2: And they're like, well, is it the same job, same time,
Speaker 2: type of place, and he goes, no, no, no, it's different
Speaker 2: jobs all over the city, different places.
Speaker 1: It just depends on the errands that come in.
Speaker 2: But like even recently, he took a lunch break a
Speaker 2: few days ago and that lasted all afternoon. And I
Speaker 2: don't think it's a drinking problem. They suggest he's a drunk.
Speaker 2: He's like, no, I'm a drunk. Something else is up
Speaker 2: with these this guy. But Sally is working, so you know.
Speaker 2: They point to his pointy nose. They point to him.
Speaker 2: His nose fits the description. He's covered in paint. This
Speaker 2: is perfect. So they bring his ass in. Munch makes
Speaker 2: fun of him.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh great, you only have twelve dollars in
Speaker 1: his pockets. What a great big fortune.
Speaker 2: And he goes, I'm just a house painter, and Munch's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so was Hitler and who was also an impotent schlub
Speaker 2: who needed violence to get it up. It's like, you're
Speaker 2: coming on Strong, Strong. There's no games and confessions here.
Speaker 2: But he has two driver's licenses, which is weird. One
Speaker 2: he's like, oh yeah, yeah, I found it. I just
Speaker 2: didn't have time to return it. It's someone named Sindra
Speaker 2: Lawnstine and she is an organ donor. They ask where
Speaker 2: he finds a He goes, I don't know, a street,
Speaker 2: a job, I'm not sure. Munch goes or the subway,
Speaker 2: and then they find his metro card, which is great,
Speaker 2: so now they can track.
Speaker 1: Wherever he's been going.
Speaker 2: But when they go to get more information from fucking
Speaker 2: trenchy over there, the fucking system is frozen and the
Speaker 2: transit like he's just like, oh, technology, what are you
Speaker 2: gonna do? Munch is getting impatient, so rowdy, and the
Speaker 2: dude is like, what do you want from me? And
Speaker 2: Munch goes to sit on the third rail and walks away.
Speaker 2: So now the painter Sal has a nice young attorney
Speaker 2: who's ready to rumble. She says he can't do the
Speaker 2: lineup right now, and Craigan goes, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Like she no one respects her.
Speaker 2: Basically, Craigan assumes it's because he's like too tired or something,
Speaker 2: because he goes, well, he can rest between IDs, we're
Speaker 2: doing it, and then she goes, well, fine, but he
Speaker 2: needs to be first in line, and they're like okay,
Speaker 2: number one, Sal, way to go.
Speaker 1: And it's just.
Speaker 2: So my confusion is like why she was like he
Speaker 2: can't do the lineup today?
Speaker 1: That's like what I wasn't the lawyer, Like, wasn't the
Speaker 1: lawyer like my client is tired? I thought there was
Speaker 1: a line like that where the guy was like, I'm
Speaker 1: defending my dirtbag client and he needs a nap, Like
Speaker 1: I thought there was something like that.
Speaker 2: No, because that's what Craigan responds. He's like, he can
Speaker 2: rest between IDs. But then she's like demands he's going
Speaker 2: to be first in line. And it seems like a
Speaker 2: like an agent like negotiating where it's like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fine, if you don't use that for that position. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if she books this pilot, she's out for this
Speaker 1: and you have to let her out. Yeah. It's seemed
Speaker 1: very like okay, so.
Speaker 2: Like you were already ready with another request, like it
Speaker 2: just seems wild, but he allows it. Craigan doesn't care,
Speaker 2: so you know, it's his lucky number one and he
Speaker 2: gets to walk out first. And before they even all
Speaker 2: come out, Nicole Sullivan knows it's number one and it's
Speaker 2: quick and they're like, well, no, you have to wait,
Speaker 2: and she goes, I don't give a shit, I know
Speaker 2: it's number one. And then she asked jeffries, now what
Speaker 2: and they say, well, we'll hit you up when it's
Speaker 2: time to testify for court. And she says, Jen, you
Speaker 2: did great, and she's like yeah, yeah, walks off, and
Speaker 2: then so she go but she goes back into this
Speaker 2: little room where all the other girls are waiting for
Speaker 2: the lineup id as well because she forgot her scarf.
Speaker 2: But then one of the women, the Emo woman, asks
Speaker 2: how was it? And she goes short and quick, and
Speaker 2: another woman goes like him, and then the Emo girls
Speaker 2: that little bastard, and then the man in the suit
Speaker 2: that's obviously supposed to be there to make sure something
Speaker 2: like this doesn't happen goes, ah, you can't do it,
Speaker 2: and then Jeffries enters and she is pissed.
Speaker 1: She's like fuck.
Speaker 2: So they talk to the suit man in the office
Speaker 2: and it's so it's Kragan's office as much as they're Jeffreys.
Speaker 2: They're all mad at this guy and he's like, it
Speaker 2: happens so quick, and they're like, yeah, you should have
Speaker 2: been faster, loser. So then he then goes super sexist immediately.
Speaker 2: Oh you know there are six women in there. You know,
Speaker 2: they all start yacking at once. And this is another
Speaker 2: fucking weird word choice, like yaking to me is puking.
Speaker 2: And then I know about yapping, but I didn't know yaking.
Speaker 1: Well, what about the song that goes yackety yack, don't
Speaker 1: talk back? Whoa yeah, yaking as barf, Like is a
Speaker 1: late or that's a more that's a more recent thing.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of shit on the show that is like,
Speaker 1: you know, it started in ninety nine. A lot of
Speaker 1: the writers are older. Like there's something else in the
Speaker 1: in the next episode we're gonna do that's like an
Speaker 1: old definition of something that I had to look up
Speaker 1: and was like, oh, they're using like the old definition
Speaker 1: of it. Like it's just, you know, I don't want
Speaker 1: to I'm not trying to be agis against the writers,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's not all like holding up or choice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these are so fucking weird in this one, they all
Speaker 1: start yacking at once, you know, these broads like yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a definite. It's like you could have.
Speaker 2: Screamed loud above them, like you could have shoved her out,
Speaker 2: Like there's just so much But why why were you
Speaker 2: even outside to make sure that she yeah, go in,
Speaker 2: grab her scarf for her?
Speaker 1: So I supposed to be in so that he could
Speaker 1: stop them from comparing notes and talking to each other.
Speaker 1: Why can't they all be in separate rooms like to
Speaker 1: avoid any kind of tainting. I don't know, it's very confusing,
Speaker 1: but I remember this scene all the time. I always
Speaker 1: think about this scene because I'm like, oh yeah, like
Speaker 1: when someone's there for an ID, you can't let them
Speaker 1: be near anyone else. And yet this show constantly like parades,
Speaker 1: witnesses by each other, parades, purps by victims, like everybody's
Speaker 1: constantly just like oopsie, this fancy meeting you here in
Speaker 1: this precinct. Like it's just it's I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: TV device, but it's kind of nuts because I'm always like,
Speaker 1: don't forget season one, the idea was tainted anyway.
Speaker 2: I know we're at court arguing just this, the two
Speaker 2: white women brunette lawyers.
Speaker 1: They're fighting to the judge.
Speaker 2: Who's Peter Francis James playing Judge Kevin Beck.
Speaker 1: And we've seen him before. I think he's one of
Speaker 1: the sexier judges.
Speaker 2: And he has been in five episodes all season one
Speaker 2: and two, which is wild because I really he's made
Speaker 2: an impression on me.
Speaker 1: I would say, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, this guy had
Speaker 1: I had to refresh, but yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Know, I don't watch season one or two that often,
Speaker 2: and it was just a sunder for season two, So
Speaker 2: I am like, why am I so obsessed with him?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't know. He's also a theater boy. Man.
Speaker 1: He definitely a man. Oh and he in twenty two
Speaker 1: twenty three was in the revival of Funny Girl, Oh
Speaker 1: Cool with the Liah Michelle of this podcast Liah Michelle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sexy judge and you know, listen, does this exchange
Speaker 2: during the lineup?
Speaker 1: Fuck up the trial or not? What will he decide?
Speaker 1: And uh? Oh case dismissed.
Speaker 2: Munch and Jeffreys look at each other in despair and
Speaker 2: that we remember what this is called the gallows, the galley,
Speaker 2: the audience court. Oh we figured this out. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think it's.
Speaker 1: Galley, the gallery.
Speaker 2: We've said Gali, but I think gallery, gallery gallery.
Speaker 1: I knew it was something.
Speaker 2: So they're back at the office and Stabler's leaning back
Speaker 2: in a chair just like fuck. So without an idea,
Speaker 2: it could just be considered consensual? What And then it's like,
Speaker 2: what do you mean can said sex with a stranger
Speaker 2: in a subway holding a box cutter? On what fucking planet?
Speaker 2: They're like, what planet is this judge on? And then
Speaker 2: Benson goes Planet of the Apes and this man is
Speaker 2: not white? Yeah, it is not a good it's crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't think we meant to catch Benson an a
Speaker 1: racist moment, but I think but we did in by accident.
Speaker 1: Whether it's a microaggression or not, it is definitely not
Speaker 1: a good look. No, it's really bad. I'm glad you
Speaker 1: also caught that. I was like, am I gonna just
Speaker 1: pretend that didn't happen? We love Marushka, she didn't do anything. No,
Speaker 1: we have to say something. But I think she also
Speaker 1: is referring to just like it's a man who doesn't
Speaker 1: care about what happens to women, you know. But it's
Speaker 1: bad word choice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so then Kraigan just wants to keep it moving.
Speaker 2: He's like, Okay, so what about the ID we found
Speaker 2: seize your los Lonstein.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's our ticket.
Speaker 2: She hasn't returned their calls though, and the DMV has
Speaker 2: not sent her a new idea yet. And that was
Speaker 2: seven months ago. All of her credit card numbers, though,
Speaker 2: were changed at that time, so something occurred seven months ago.
Speaker 2: Her address changed, credit card numbers changed, and she could
Speaker 2: be one of the victims and not attainted witness. Towards
Speaker 2: the end of this meeting, Craigan realizes, wait, Jeffries isn't here,
Speaker 2: what the fuck? And Munch goes, Oh, she's sitting on
Speaker 2: his ass ready to arrest him. He smirks, he likes that.
Speaker 2: So you know, we see her car. So he's using
Speaker 2: a box cutter to open boxes. He's at work, he's
Speaker 2: carrying paint things, and Jeffries is watching closely from her vehicle.
Speaker 2: And so now we go to some random man working
Speaker 2: in the streets, like, I don't know who this is,
Speaker 2: and Stable I've said, that's so many this I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's something about season one that is not as clear
Speaker 1: than when they had their formulas, Like it is just
Speaker 1: more I think they're still working it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I get more confused, I would say in
Speaker 2: the earlier because there was another episode we did recently
Speaker 2: where there was like a whole scene where we both
Speaker 2: were like, I have no idea.
Speaker 1: What just yeah, what is happening here? Yeah, So as
Speaker 1: I think it's like trying to set up red herrings
Speaker 1: and get people to think move their thoughts to a
Speaker 1: different thing, and like it's just something you're like, why
Speaker 1: is that even here? Especially if you're used to like
Speaker 1: the more efficient like current or middle seasons, you know
Speaker 1: where it's like down to a science.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're at just like a random man and
Speaker 2: Stabler and Munch asks if he knows Sedra, and he does.
Speaker 2: She's the cleaning she's a cleaning lady with the Mona
Speaker 2: Lisa smile. But she works at thirty fourth Street subway station,
Speaker 2: which is five blocks away from her place. But she
Speaker 2: has to ride all the way to ninety sixth Street
Speaker 2: to punch in and then has to go all the
Speaker 2: way back, and then I wonder if she has to
Speaker 2: go all the way back to clock out, like that
Speaker 2: is insane, but he says she never complains and that
Speaker 2: she's a saint.
Speaker 1: So Benson goes down to.
Speaker 2: The reporter and she's pissed and he's like, whatever, you
Speaker 2: didn't let me read it, so your boss needs to
Speaker 2: chill out, and she goes, yeah, yeah, you found it
Speaker 2: with your reporter instincts. But guess what, my captain isn't
Speaker 2: gonna care about the details, so it looks like I
Speaker 2: screwed up. And he says, you're being too hard on yourself,
Speaker 2: and she tells him to save it and throws a
Speaker 2: file on his desk. It's a cold case. You want
Speaker 2: a good story, you should check it out. He looks
Speaker 2: at it and he reads aloud Philip sternet Hagen convicted
Speaker 2: of strangulation and tortured.
Speaker 1: Who the hell is this?
Speaker 2: And Benson says, Oh, it's a guy who had a
Speaker 2: rich fantasy life who couldn't stop a man who uses
Speaker 2: women without the slightest tinge of regret. He gets what's
Speaker 2: happening now and shuts the file and shifts in a seat,
Speaker 2: and she says, a man like you, A man like you,
Speaker 2: And then all of his coworkers are staring at him.
Speaker 1: You get an idea of why Benson doesn't date much.
Speaker 1: They set it up real quick at the beginning.
Speaker 2: Well, because I forgot about this guy in this episode
Speaker 2: because in the future, when she talks about dying, she says,
Speaker 2: it's like the people that want to recreate the file,
Speaker 2: like they're two turned on like that. I bet there's
Speaker 2: people that are just looking for an SVU detective or
Speaker 2: something or some sort.
Speaker 1: Of well, and she's also like only dating ever guys
Speaker 1: that are just conveniently right there falling in love with
Speaker 1: the city. Yeah, Cassidy, this reporter guy, it'll randomly be
Speaker 1: FBI guys, or like that Da in the Bronx from
Speaker 1: the episode we did with Michael Beach. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like always working.
Speaker 2: That what happens if you all you do is work,
Speaker 2: everyone you date will be from work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all just like people that fall in love
Speaker 1: with her on the job. And then she's like, it's
Speaker 1: too close to work. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then one abuser from her past, you know, the
Speaker 2: quin guy. But okay, okay, So Munch and Sailor go
Speaker 2: to chat with Cedra.
Speaker 1: They show her the ID. Oh my god, she's so
Speaker 1: happy to have it back.
Speaker 2: They ask if she lost in She goes, yeah, on
Speaker 2: the subway, you know, some guy bumped into me. And
Speaker 2: then Munch clocks her pregnant belly immediately and she sits
Speaker 2: at Craigan's desk and she puts her feet up. So
Speaker 2: they meet her at the train station. They bring her
Speaker 2: into the police station and she's chilling.
Speaker 1: They're all being.
Speaker 2: Really really sweet to her, and then she goes, hey,
Speaker 2: we're all just civil servants here. And she goes, oh please,
Speaker 2: I'm a janitor on the subway and she giggles, and
Speaker 2: Sailor goes, tough job, and she's doing eight or nine weeks,
Speaker 2: and Sablor starts babbling about his wife's pregnancy and timing
Speaker 2: and he smiles at her, and basically she's not getting it.
Speaker 2: But they all think the rapist is the father of
Speaker 2: her baby. Since that happened seven months ago, she's doing
Speaker 2: eight to nine weeks, it's closer to ten months.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: You know, he took the wallet and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm so happy you got it back. But so I
Speaker 2: think she's naive, I'm not really sure, or she's trying
Speaker 2: to keep it secret.
Speaker 1: She wants this baby, I don't get I feel as
Speaker 1: though they are trying to portray her as possibly a
Speaker 1: little bit not all there, you know.
Speaker 2: So then Kragan bends down to her level and goes, so,
Speaker 2: what kind of bump was it? And she's like it
Speaker 2: was an accident, you know, the car was crowded and
Speaker 2: I was off duty. And he's like, well, were we
Speaker 2: wearing a dress? She goes, oh, yeah, But again she
Speaker 2: is not understanding what's happening. She asks whether asking her
Speaker 2: all these questions, and Munch bends down to the ground
Speaker 2: and pleads like that they need her help. So she's
Speaker 2: an overall's pink turtleneck again like an in like a
Speaker 2: young outfit, and she finally agrees to help and drops
Speaker 2: the game. She's like and so they show her the mugshots.
Speaker 2: She points to sal it was him. They offer to
Speaker 2: get her food and Stabler helps her eyes. She says,
Speaker 2: grab my arm, not my hand. I have a cold,
Speaker 2: and then she grabs his hand immediately, so now they
Speaker 2: do have to go pick him up. But she's not
Speaker 2: going to admit that it's rape. So Kragan's like, Munch, well,
Speaker 2: we need to make him say it then, so they
Speaker 2: push him down. Jeffrey's and Munch meet him in cement
Speaker 2: room bars and Munch mentions the amniocentesis on a complaining
Speaker 2: witness and he's like, whoa for pregnant ladies? And he's
Speaker 2: like kind of happy. He's like, you're not putting me
Speaker 2: on right. This must be some kind of bluff, and
Speaker 2: Jeffries goes, well, the first seven women you got lucky there,
Speaker 2: but not number eight bad luck.
Speaker 1: You knocked her up.
Speaker 2: He's like what he like, cannot believe this, and then
Speaker 2: Cidra sits out there with Stabler and he's confused because
Speaker 2: he had a cold for a week and then she
Speaker 2: touched him and now it's gone, so she's a witch
Speaker 2: burn her, and then they bring sal out and they
Speaker 2: actually chocked, like this is like running into each other.
Speaker 2: That's become classic SVU. But because it's season one, like,
Speaker 2: what's going on? And I assumed it was set up
Speaker 2: by the detectives, but like Stabler seems pissed and Munches
Speaker 2: to hold him back and be like, no, let's see
Speaker 2: what happens. So it doesn't seem that planned, but it
Speaker 2: seems so obvious. I'm obsessed. So yeah, So the pregnant woman,
Speaker 2: she sees the you know, the rapists, they're they're interacting,
Speaker 2: and he goes, oh my god, flower dress, tulips.
Speaker 1: They said you were number eight.
Speaker 2: I was wondering what happened because I knew it when
Speaker 2: we when I did you, something beautiful could happen, and
Speaker 2: that you would get pregnant and have my baby. When
Speaker 2: I get out, we will be together, okay, a family.
Speaker 2: Jeffreys carries him out as he says, my baby, my baby.
Speaker 2: Stablor joins in, dragging his ass out, and then Cadra
Speaker 2: like cries into Munsha's chest and that stick wolf baby.
Speaker 1: It is kind of weird that like I had Audra
Speaker 1: McDonald on staff, and they didn't have her do like
Speaker 1: a super quick work up on what's going on with Cidra.
Speaker 1: Like she's like she's avoiding, like she basically has mentally
Speaker 1: blocked out this trauma that happened to her and is
Speaker 1: like channeling everything into like excitement about being pregnant. And
Speaker 1: I don't know, like that would have been like to me,
Speaker 1: a interesting little thing to do about, like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: this can happen. You can be assaulted and seven months
Speaker 1: later still not fully let yourself be even acknowledge it,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, and if she's so child like, like
Speaker 1: I wonder if she's out there fucking around or not,
Speaker 1: you know, outside of this weird attack. Yeah, well a
Speaker 1: wild one, a haunting one. I mean anyway, it's also
Speaker 1: you know, the true crime is not gonna get any better,
Speaker 1: so buckle up, everybody. This episode, I believe is based
Speaker 1: on the nineteen ninety eight James Smith case in Brooklyn
Speaker 1: in November of nineteen ninety eight, which is, you know
Speaker 1: what the year before this episode came out, probably like
Speaker 1: right as they were writing this season. Police and Nasau County,
Speaker 1: New York, which is Long Island arrested a twenty nine
Speaker 1: year old named James Smith in connection with a fifteen
Speaker 1: year old girl who he had attempted to sexually assault
Speaker 1: a week earlier. And guess how they found him. She
Speaker 1: spotted his ass on the damn street a week later.
Speaker 1: She was walking down the street with her mind and
Speaker 1: she's like, that's the fucking guy that tried to rape
Speaker 1: me at the subway at the bus stop. I think.
Speaker 1: So she had managed to get away and call police
Speaker 1: and then save the day when she spotted him a
Speaker 1: week later. This was in Freeport, New York, where he
Speaker 1: was also accused of sexually abusing a sixteen year old,
Speaker 1: and he had several aliases, including Bart Roman and Robert Gaines.
Speaker 1: And while he had a long rap sheet of drug
Speaker 1: and robbery convictions, he had never been arrested for sexual assault.
Speaker 1: So this was not This was definitely the case of
Speaker 1: somebody's m O changing, right. So he was eventually connected
Speaker 1: to a string of attacks on women waiting for trains
Speaker 1: or buses in Park Slope, Carroll Gardens, and downtown Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: All of these attacks were connected by the victims who
Speaker 1: had all given a similar description of the guy, plus
Speaker 1: fingerprints that several of the scenes matched each other, so
Speaker 1: we were the police in Brooklyn were all working on
Speaker 1: like finding this one guy, and then he gets arrested
Speaker 1: in Long Island, which are separate obviously police departments. Smith
Speaker 1: had become a suspect in the Brooklyn attacks after someone
Speaker 1: anonymously called Brooklyn SVU about him, and I'm like, who
Speaker 1: is this Who's calling? Is it someone he knows? Like
Speaker 1: did he brag about the crimes to somebody? Like we
Speaker 1: never find out, but like, who is this anonymous call?
Speaker 1: That's just like, by the way, the guy you're looking
Speaker 1: for in Brooklyn is James Smith. Apparently his mugshot was published,
Speaker 1: and when it was published, he fled the city, presumably
Speaker 1: to Long Island, which is where he went on he like,
Speaker 1: even though he knew the police in Brooklyn to look
Speaker 1: for me, like, can't stop attacking women, so he does
Speaker 1: it in Long Island until he gets caught there. In
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn spree, he attacked his first victim on the
Speaker 1: subway platform for the M train in March of ninety eight,
Speaker 1: flashing a gun at his nineteen year old victim and
Speaker 1: then assaulting her at the end of the platform. Horrible.
Speaker 1: Six months later in September, a man fitting his description
Speaker 1: Rob dripped and sodomized a twenty year old after following
Speaker 1: her onto the G train. So that's probably the one
Speaker 1: that's most likely related to the episode because it happened
Speaker 1: on the moving train. This was around eleven thirty PM
Speaker 1: and not like four am, like there must have been
Speaker 1: people on the train, like a G train at eleven
Speaker 1: thirty at night there are people on it. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. But less than two hours later they believed
Speaker 1: he used a box cutter to threaten a fifteen year
Speaker 1: old girl, who he assaulted while she was waiting for
Speaker 1: the B sixty one bus in downtown Brooklyn. And then
Speaker 1: he got away in a cab. So this guy's like
Speaker 1: jumping into cabs running away. It's wild. The last crime
Speaker 1: in this little wave of crimes happened at nine point
Speaker 1: thirty in the damn morning. About six days later. He
Speaker 1: pretended to have a gun and threatened to shoot a
Speaker 1: twenty three year old on an R train unless she
Speaker 1: performed oral sex on him, and that was also on
Speaker 1: a moving train, but as the train approached the station
Speaker 1: in Park Slope she refused. He fled, so a couple
Speaker 1: of times his victims got away. But it's wild because
Speaker 1: like the first case was March and then six months later.
Speaker 1: It was like a bunch of cases in quick successions.
Speaker 1: So I wonder if he definitely attacked in the six
Speaker 1: months and that women just didn't report it or what,
Speaker 1: because I can't imagine this guy just like took a break.
Speaker 1: But now considering that he committed two crimes within ten
Speaker 1: hours of each other, and then another one six days later,
Speaker 1: now we get to the point in my research where
Speaker 1: I find out that the guy's name was actually Bart
Speaker 1: Roman and that James Smith was an alias. But it's
Speaker 1: very weird that the New York Times did not go
Speaker 1: back and correct any of that. They are just calling
Speaker 1: him James Smith in all of their articles. So his
Speaker 1: name is Bart Roman, and he was eventually indicted on
Speaker 1: thirty five counts in December of ninety eight, and he
Speaker 1: pled not guilty, but he was convicted, and I can't
Speaker 1: find out how many counts he got, but he received
Speaker 1: one hundred years. So then I'm going to look him
Speaker 1: up in the incarceration database and he's listed as Robert Gaines,
Speaker 1: which is one of his other names, So I'm like,
Speaker 1: how many names are you legally allowed to have? Like
Speaker 1: I thought he would be under bart Roman in jail,
Speaker 1: but if you look him up under bart Roman there's
Speaker 1: his earlier robbery charges. But if you look under Robert Gaines,
Speaker 1: you see that he's incarcerated at Mohawk Correctional Facility in Rome,
Speaker 1: New York. He received one hundred years. Did I say
Speaker 1: that already? He's he's in there for convictions of sodomy
Speaker 1: in the first, sexual abuse in the first, attempted rape
Speaker 1: in the first, and robbery in the third. And he's
Speaker 1: not eligible for parole until twenty ninety nine. So that's life. Baby,
Speaker 1: he's not getting out. And what's wild is that when
Speaker 1: I went to go then google him under Robert L. Gaines,
Speaker 1: there is a different rapist in Cleveland named Robert L. Gaines.
Speaker 1: So it's not all men except most men named Robert Gaines.
Speaker 1: So that's the crime that this is based on, with
Speaker 1: a little twist of the man got away using many
Speaker 1: different names. But it's really crazy. There's not too too
Speaker 1: much about this, like after he is, about the actual
Speaker 1: trial or anything. There's just like when he gets sentenced
Speaker 1: and stuff, and but oh yeah, but one of the
Speaker 1: one of the articles I read was saying that somebody
Speaker 1: tried to go get somebody on one of these crime
Speaker 1: and during one of these crimes, I think the one
Speaker 1: where he assaulted someone on the train and due to cutbacks,
Speaker 1: there was no drive, there was no conductor at that car,
Speaker 1: so it was like hard to find anybody who could
Speaker 1: stop the train or call the police or anything like that.
Speaker 1: So but it is it is wild how packed the
Speaker 1: train is and nobody is helping in this episode. But
Speaker 1: that's that on that a short, a short crime. He
Speaker 1: still resides in prison where he will reside till he dies,
Speaker 1: and I think that's probably for the best. We have
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Speaker 1: Nicole Sullivan. Yay, my gosh, so happy you're here. Ah,
Speaker 1: this is a yet I never thought we would get.
Speaker 1: I really never thought this would happen, you guy. You
Speaker 1: guys are so entertaining, Like, oh, I'm not I don't.
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I listened to podcasts, but like a
Speaker 3: few here and there, Like I just I can't listen
Speaker 3: that much to people, and I'm such a reality whore,
Speaker 3: so like I try to follow the reality stuff and
Speaker 3: like sometimes I'm just like okay, okay, shut then.
Speaker 1: And I don't feel that you guys, I mind. You
Speaker 1: so entertaining. That's like, oh my god, an honor, because
Speaker 1: I like grew up a huge Mad TV fan, like
Speaker 1: flipping the channels back between Fox and like Fox and SNL,
Speaker 1: you know, NBC, so that I can watch SNL mad TV.
Speaker 1: But I always loved mad TV because you guys did
Speaker 1: all these parodies and I wasn't really I was like
Speaker 1: political comedy wasn't really my thing then, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I love these parodies. I love these characters, Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you're just like one of the You're
Speaker 1: one of my comedy like legends of my youth. And
Speaker 1: I'm like so excited to talk to you today. We
Speaker 1: have to cut the gushing. We cannot have our listeners
Speaker 1: hearing this. They cannot hear me, you know, bowing down
Speaker 1: like this, they can hear it. Status status is important. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna they're gonna lose respect for me if
Speaker 1: they just hear me just telling you how obsessed I am.
Speaker 2: Well, so you know you were a fan of Law
Speaker 2: and Order going in when you got the SVU of
Speaker 2: at All, what were your thoughts?
Speaker 1: It was season one.
Speaker 3: I was so obsessed and I was doing a show
Speaker 3: I was working in New York. I grew up in
Speaker 3: New York, but I was doing a show for like
Speaker 3: five six months in New York TV show and I
Speaker 3: was like, I told my manager. I was like agent,
Speaker 3: I was like, if there's any way that could be,
Speaker 3: just to call, And like two weeks later, he's a
Speaker 3: given audition go in and I was like, oh my,
Speaker 3: and it was my dream come true.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe I got to do it.
Speaker 3: I was like, it was the greatest it was the
Speaker 3: greatest get of a job I've ever had my left.
Speaker 1: I was like, so you went to Chelsea Peers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you did it all. You did it all.
Speaker 3: The apartment we shot in overlooking, Yeah, I mean, who
Speaker 3: has that apart.
Speaker 1: This woman, this woman that you play is like this
Speaker 1: boss bitch, stock trading, coffee swilling New York. And I
Speaker 1: love her. When the detectives are like, it's not your
Speaker 1: fall and your character goes yeah, I know, And I
Speaker 1: loved that. I love anybody that throws it back at
Speaker 1: Maloney for sure. But what it was, it's it's an
Speaker 1: intense role. It was an intense scene the cold open.
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what was fascinating is that we
Speaker 3: were it was the guy playing the guy was was
Speaker 3: very method and really dark and freaked me out.
Speaker 1: And they had like a fake box cutter.
Speaker 3: But it didn't feel great on the neck, like you
Speaker 3: know it like it was like it was a it
Speaker 3: was a really hard scene to shoot in the subway
Speaker 3: car like it was just weird and dark.
Speaker 1: And Dick Wolf came to set, no where.
Speaker 3: To God came to set all of a sudden, was
Speaker 3: standing on the platform because they you know, they owned
Speaker 3: like a platform right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't know that they own a platform.
Speaker 3: They owned like a defunct trains station somewhere, like two
Speaker 3: things that aren't a stops anymore for regular people. They
Speaker 3: own those two stops, and they own a train that
Speaker 3: just can go back and forth between the Wow, that's
Speaker 3: how they that's why they can do subway trains. And
Speaker 3: so dick Wolf came down to that platform, and I
Speaker 3: was like stick Wolf and he said, and I don't
Speaker 3: want to.
Speaker 1: Pull him, because like God, if I don't don't want
Speaker 1: Dick Wolf that at me.
Speaker 3: But he said something to the likes of, this is
Speaker 3: the darkest thing we've ever done.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, oh, He's like this is, uh,
Speaker 1: this is And I was like, oh, all right, well
Speaker 1: here we go. All right, take tick four, let's go.
Speaker 3: It was he was like genuinely like Jesus, well, I mean,
Speaker 3: and it's a graph, yes, I was.
Speaker 2: There were no illusions to stuff. Sometimes there's an allusion
Speaker 2: to a crime, but this was like the full time,
Speaker 2: very graphic. And then the horror of everyone watching and
Speaker 2: not doing anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's Karen.
Speaker 2: We always do a thing where some of the episodes
Speaker 2: are the most haunting to us or have haunted us
Speaker 2: for years, where we just and this is Kara's number
Speaker 2: one where she just thinks.
Speaker 1: It has always been my mother haunting episode because I
Speaker 1: lived in New York for eleven years and I rode
Speaker 1: the subway multiple times a day, and I remember sometimes
Speaker 1: I would just be zoning out and I would just
Speaker 1: remember that scene and be like, oh my god, like
Speaker 1: and I really like, I fainted on the subway one time,
Speaker 1: and all these people came and helped me, Like a
Speaker 1: woman came off another train to give me an apple,
Speaker 1: Like all kinds of big people helped me. And so
Speaker 1: I like to believe that New York, that this isn't
Speaker 1: like the reality of New York, that people will help you.
Speaker 1: But that's like, that's so haunting about it to me, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've obviously watched five hundred plus episodes of this television show.
Speaker 1: We've seen worse than like a woman, you know, getting assaulted.
Speaker 1: You know, season there was a subway machete thing, and
Speaker 1: that was a lot. Yeah, yeah, that's a lot, But
Speaker 1: like there's been so much, but this one. I think
Speaker 1: it's like that, it's so every day, it's so all
Speaker 1: of us. It was so crowded, like he can't feel
Speaker 1: like there's a safety in a crowd, and he can't
Speaker 1: even have it.
Speaker 3: You can't believe, like there's no possible way that someone
Speaker 3: could be that taken by surprise and that like threatened
Speaker 3: with well, of course you get a knife to your throat,
Speaker 3: You're not gonna do any sad movements. You're just gonna
Speaker 3: stay still, Yeah, and that no one understand.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's horrible, no, And you're like pressed up and
Speaker 1: like we can see your breath. I mean half the
Speaker 1: time on the episodes, we don't even see the attack.
Speaker 1: They just find a victim a body or whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: Like we don't even see it half the time. And
Speaker 1: then this one is like cold open right to it
Speaker 1: like this, it's like it's it's jarring. So you're part
Speaker 1: of a long line of people that have played of
Speaker 1: comedians who have played serious roles on the show, right, So,
Speaker 1: I mean you're you're probably one of the first. But
Speaker 1: later in the episode, in the seasons, it's like Kathy Griffin,
Speaker 1: Robin Williams, Martin shortpob Saget Margaret show like huge comedy
Speaker 1: people that play these serious parts. But what we always
Speaker 1: say that we love about the first like kind of
Speaker 1: twelve seasons of the show is that there was like
Speaker 1: a little bit of levity to it, even though this
Speaker 1: is so dark, Like I do think your character you're acting,
Speaker 1: lets the little bit of like like lightness in like
Speaker 1: when you're talking to the cops and like later you know, like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well like the fact that Maloney Maloney had had
Speaker 3: a cold and like yeah, yeah, and I got to
Speaker 3: react to like ew you be like ugh, like yeah,
Speaker 3: why are you in my apartment with your so I
Speaker 3: mean that's you that you're like, I'm speaking to your point.
Speaker 1: That's exactly it Like there is some levity, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: And I think it's like such a genius thing to
Speaker 1: employ because of course, all of these people that I
Speaker 1: just named, including you, are like trained actors who can
Speaker 1: aren't just like doing sketches all the time, you know,
Speaker 1: like can do a myriad of things. But it's it's
Speaker 1: so I'm like, so, I mean maybe because we're also comedians.
Speaker 1: I just love watching comics do their thing because I
Speaker 1: actually I so believed everything that like the pain that
Speaker 1: was happening with you. But then also I was like
Speaker 1: loving when you were kind of having these little lilting
Speaker 1: moments of you know, funny. Well, I think you guys
Speaker 1: are squeaking out.
Speaker 3: Because you guys are both comedians, you like, and I'm
Speaker 3: not trying to like pat the comedian world on the
Speaker 3: back but a little bit. But I am like, one
Speaker 3: comedy can translate to drama because comedy is pain, you know,
Speaker 3: wrapped in a bow and stuck with like a you know,
Speaker 3: a googly eyed face on it. Like that's sort of
Speaker 3: what comedy is. And it doesn't necessarily work in reverse. Right,
Speaker 3: We've seen a lot of examples, Like there's amazing dramatic
Speaker 3: actors that like, you're like, I guess.
Speaker 1: It was funny, Like your voice goes like I think
Speaker 1: I think funny like it's not. It doesn't necessarily translate
Speaker 1: the other way.
Speaker 3: And I think that's something that a lot of people
Speaker 3: don't know, is that most good comedians can really solidly
Speaker 3: do some good drama.
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone recently told me that's a lot of because
Speaker 2: when you're doing comedy, you have to listen and react
Speaker 2: to things on the fly. And so I think it
Speaker 2: like a little more present or able to kind of
Speaker 2: roll with it.
Speaker 3: And I also think it's for me on Mad TV.
Speaker 3: And I wasn't a comedian going and like, I never
Speaker 3: studied the groundlings.
Speaker 1: I never did.
Speaker 3: I had a sketch show with my friends just because
Speaker 3: you know, back then you would do the showcases like
Speaker 3: that was the big thing. You'd get your friends together
Speaker 3: and do a showcase. And back then, casting directors they
Speaker 3: don't do anything anymore.
Speaker 1: But back then, back then they have TikTok. They have
Speaker 1: TikTok the right. Yeah, they're looking at people.
Speaker 3: So they they would show up and they you know,
Speaker 3: if they liked you, they'd send you to their boss
Speaker 3: and you know things. It worked like that. So I
Speaker 3: did a sketch show like that, but I wasn't a
Speaker 3: comedian at all. And uh, I realized quickly when on
Speaker 3: MED to be like really, part of the key is
Speaker 3: not being afraid to look like a dope, look like
Speaker 3: and like look stupid and crazy and like, oh she's
Speaker 3: trying too hard.
Speaker 1: Then you're doing it right, you know. I mean there's
Speaker 1: a lot of that to it.
Speaker 3: That a lot of uh, you know, good looking people
Speaker 3: aren't willing to do understandably understandably, like they've got a
Speaker 3: different thing they have to sell.
Speaker 1: But if you're willing to look stupid, that's a huge
Speaker 1: leg up in the comedy world. Totally. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a pet pee for you,
Speaker 2: but when celebrities do interviews and they'll be like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, she is the funniest person alive, and it's like,
Speaker 2: there's no fucking way, Like I can't imagine Blake Lively
Speaker 2: is just like crushing it at dinner.
Speaker 1: But wait, I feel like we also need to clarify
Speaker 1: that the reason we know that you're a Law and
Speaker 1: Order fan before we even asked you that in this
Speaker 1: interview is because you sent us a video of you
Speaker 1: and Michael McDonald. Also one of my mad TV obsessions,
Speaker 1: you guys doing this sketch I guess that you did
Speaker 1: for REDTV where you where you're like trying to get
Speaker 1: the attention of the casting directors for Law and Order
Speaker 1: and you're doing all of these characters. Like I took
Speaker 1: the screenshot.
Speaker 2: What I loved the most was like the sexual innuendo Emmy,
Speaker 2: Like that was so good because Melinda is so s
Speaker 2: like they are all throughout franchises on Dexter two, like
Speaker 2: all the science people are always.
Speaker 1: Like saucy medical, saucy medical examiner.
Speaker 4: See, and then they say something they say and then
Speaker 4: they say something at the end that's like, oh, oh
Speaker 4: my god, like jarring, like their belly button was found
Speaker 4: inside their eyeball. Oh my god, oh my god, Like
Speaker 4: they're sort of doing bits and then they say something
Speaker 4: horrible and like something A lot of sexuals to be like,
Speaker 4: oh you found semen where Oh my god. Yeah, yeah, jarring,
Speaker 4: the whole thing, Uh, just total tangent.
Speaker 3: Like another fun fact quote unquote when I did the
Speaker 3: episode is I was dating this guy in LA who
Speaker 3: I kind of knew wasn't into me, but I was like,
Speaker 3: he really should be, Like I couldn't get why he wasn't.
Speaker 3: He was like this, he was like the set photographer
Speaker 3: on Ma TIV. And I was like, I mean, he's
Speaker 3: taking my picture all the time. All he pays attention
Speaker 3: to me. And so we dated like a little bit
Speaker 3: and I went to New York to do this show
Speaker 3: and he broke up with me the night before I
Speaker 3: shot the scene in the apartment or I'm supposhit. And
Speaker 3: so it was one of those things like you get
Speaker 3: stressed out when you have to cry cry, and cue
Speaker 3: is like, you know you can do it, Like it's
Speaker 3: just there's a lot to it, and sometimes you need
Speaker 3: a song in your ear. Sometimes you need glistering. And
Speaker 3: I was able, not that I was like sobbing everything,
Speaker 3: but I was able to do the tears. And they
Speaker 3: actually didn't they picked they picked a take with less tears,
Speaker 3: which I found interesting. But I was able to do
Speaker 3: the tears because I was like, and I just got
Speaker 3: fucking numb blessness.
Speaker 1: I can't relieve it worked out well.
Speaker 2: Whenever I think of that, I think of the Katy
Speaker 2: Perry documentary with Russell Brand texting breaking up their marriage
Speaker 2: right before she was about to perform for like two
Speaker 2: hundred thousand people in Brazil, and you know, you don't
Speaker 2: go tour in South America often, and she's just like
Speaker 2: bawling and having to just go perform. And so when
Speaker 2: I heard night before, I'm like, that's a sociopia, Like
Speaker 2: why are you trying to ruin someone's stuff?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm not sure. I'm not sure he was aware.
Speaker 3: I don't think he I don't think he considered.
Speaker 1: But even over text it's like wait till wait till
Speaker 1: you get back, Like I don't know, yeah, take me
Speaker 1: to coffee view of it all.
Speaker 2: Wait, So, since you've done all the franchises, who are
Speaker 2: your favorite detectives?
Speaker 1: This is why I'm so bad?
Speaker 3: Well, I love Jesse, Yeah, I mean Lenny, Like you know,
Speaker 3: I mean here, I Here's the thing about Chris Maloney
Speaker 3: is he's the nicest human being in the world. Like
Speaker 3: I saw him at a dinner party. I don't know,
Speaker 3: years ago, but like, you know, not as long as
Speaker 3: the show. And I saw him at the dinner party and
Speaker 3: he was like hey, and I was like, I did
Speaker 3: an episode of your show. It was a bad And
Speaker 3: he was like, oh that was you know, because everyone's like,
Speaker 3: oh that was a Maloney was like that was that
Speaker 3: was a hard one to while I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah it was. You know, yeah, it's hard to And
Speaker 3: the dinner party is going in all night long.
Speaker 1: He can't. It's like hard to describe how nice this is.
Speaker 3: Like when you're a comedian and you're and you know,
Speaker 3: you can kind of act, but like other people don't.
Speaker 1: And he all night.
Speaker 3: Long, he would just refer to us as he would
Speaker 3: refer to me as a peer. Oh he would say,
Speaker 3: you know, like you know when we when we're out
Speaker 3: there doing our thing, and you know when like as
Speaker 3: actors we need to.
Speaker 1: Like he he just.
Speaker 3: Included me in his club, which he didn't need to, like,
Speaker 3: he's Chris Maloney and he did all night and I
Speaker 3: just left there thinking, like, what an incredible person.
Speaker 1: So I think also he respects comedy. And I bet
Speaker 1: you he knew your work and was like, respected you
Speaker 1: a lot because he loves He left a lot under
Speaker 1: SVU and ended up doing comedy for a little while.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, So but I think
Speaker 1: that that really story about him. You know, we we
Speaker 1: get a lot of great stories about Marishka. We don't
Speaker 1: get as many about Maloney, just not because there's anything
Speaker 1: about him, but it's just I think he's a little
Speaker 1: bit more standoffish and everyone has like a you know,
Speaker 1: a story about her being so effusive and lovely or whatever.
Speaker 1: But maybe you don't tell us that tell us the teenicle.
Speaker 3: Eh uh No, I know that she my one of
Speaker 3: my close friends, Krista Crystal Lawrence, uh Bill Lawrence and
Speaker 3: Crysal Lord.
Speaker 1: Today they have a house.
Speaker 3: They have a house in Malibu and Brushka has a
Speaker 3: house in the Hamptons and every and every summer they trade.
Speaker 1: They trade for a month.
Speaker 3: Oh, which is the rich It's the richest ship. I
Speaker 3: like every time I think about it, I'm like, just
Speaker 3: these multi MOLDI millionaires just live in each other's homes
Speaker 3: for a month.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what about it fascinates me.
Speaker 2: Well, well, because they're still doing apartments swapping like us.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like it's like.
Speaker 3: I Aaron BB like, do they do they have a
Speaker 3: closet you can't go in an airbby.
Speaker 1: There's a management closet that says do not enter enter
Speaker 1: are the rules like take out the garbage before you? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how it were. If you guys could
Speaker 1: can mash and Peter hermit, that would be great.
Speaker 3: And let's be honest, they both they both have staff,
Speaker 3: right does the staff traveling with does it travel or
Speaker 3: do they stay in place?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would if you've got cook you like,
Speaker 1: I would bet that they stay in place because they
Speaker 1: know the property. But then like personal assistance go with Okay,
Speaker 1: That's why I would like the chef's stay because they
Speaker 1: know the kitchen and they know where to source their
Speaker 1: their foods and their vegetables and their organic farmers markets
Speaker 1: and stuff in the area.
Speaker 3: And then is it like below deck where they get
Speaker 3: a list of their likes and just like banguage.
Speaker 1: Do they have to check that? Oh below deck, Man Deck.
Speaker 1: I just did a giant like. It took me a
Speaker 1: month and a half, which isn't that long.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I did a giant rewatch of the Real Housewives
Speaker 2: of Orange County and I just finished this week. I
Speaker 2: feel free seventeen eighteen seasons?
Speaker 3: Can I can? I? Okay, go ahead, because I have
Speaker 3: a real serious question as it was brutal.
Speaker 2: It was brutal, It wasn't even joy at the They
Speaker 2: are the most vile people I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1: But what is the question.
Speaker 3: That so I've never I'd never seen a Real Housewives
Speaker 3: episode in my life. My friend Lisa Shannon is the
Speaker 3: executive producer of New York.
Speaker 1: And so Ling. Oh, okay, she's she's brilliant.
Speaker 3: She single handedly got watch your Chops the clothing design. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she like single handedly got her to say.
Speaker 1: She's amazing.
Speaker 3: But uh so, during pandemic, I'd never seen an episode
Speaker 3: of any I was like, Lisa weird chatting.
Speaker 1: She's in my book.
Speaker 3: We're at a book club and we're chatting, and she's like,
Speaker 3: you've never seen And I'm like, I love reality, but
Speaker 3: just I don't know if that's for me. She's like,
Speaker 3: I'm going to send you one episode of of of
Speaker 3: Housewives of New York. It's not aired yet. You can't
Speaker 3: show it to anyone.
Speaker 1: You just have to watch it. And it was season
Speaker 1: Oh god, I'm gonna get the season eleven. It's okay,
Speaker 1: just tell us what happens.
Speaker 3: Well know, episode four, episode four, it's when Leah gets
Speaker 3: naked and runs around the pool with That was the
Speaker 3: first and I was like, and I Then I was like,
Speaker 3: and now I'm so I started New York beginning because
Speaker 3: I didn't want to. I did the same thing with
Speaker 3: vander Pump. I didn't even know about the show until
Speaker 3: I heard scandabal. I said, no one tell me anything.
Speaker 3: I binge watched that from the beginning. Uh so, also,
Speaker 3: here's here's my quest, Atlanta. I did, and by the end,
Speaker 3: I felt like I had burst three horrible babs. Like
Speaker 3: I felt, I felt exhausted and with very little to show. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like I felt.
Speaker 1: People crazy because you're just hearing them fight all day
Speaker 1: for eight out. You're just they're fighting, their fighting, And
Speaker 1: so then I was out in the world and I
Speaker 1: was just like, shut up. And then I was like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? Like it infiltrated my being in a
Speaker 1: very I had to leave Atlanta. I actually, I actually
Speaker 1: was a big fan of Atlanta at the beginning, and
Speaker 1: I left about halfway through and said, it's too much.
Speaker 1: It's just like I don't mind a good fight once
Speaker 1: in a while, but it felt like it was all
Speaker 1: fighting and screaming, and I was like, I gotta go.
Speaker 1: And then I came back and I revisited. I came back.
Speaker 1: I came back and joined back on like with with
Speaker 1: like Phaedra, like a later Porscha seasons and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But I needed a break.
Speaker 2: You also do so much animation. Do you ever get
Speaker 2: like toys or like drawings of the characters you do?
Speaker 2: Like are the figures?
Speaker 1: Let's talk. Let's talk about that for a second, because
Speaker 1: that's a real issue.
Speaker 3: I've done a lot of shows, and it began years
Speaker 3: ago with Buzz light Year of Star Command, which is
Speaker 3: like a buzz light Year spin off, and it's buzz
Speaker 3: Lightyer and Princess Mironova, who like left being a princess
Speaker 3: to fight in the Space Wars, and they came out
Speaker 3: with the action figures for all the characters except Princess
Speaker 3: no Miranva and she.
Speaker 1: Was really like the second in command.
Speaker 3: And then it happened again and again and every time,
Speaker 3: and I was like, this is so horrible. And I
Speaker 3: remember speaking with someone at some event, you know, some
Speaker 3: con somewhere, and I spoke with the guy who was
Speaker 3: like in charge of you know, somewhat in charge of
Speaker 3: the things. I'm like, can I just be honest, dude,
Speaker 3: it feels very like very anti female power, Like it
Speaker 3: feels like you only. And his response was, the little
Speaker 3: girls don't play with tiny action figures like that. They
Speaker 3: just don't. And that's why we don't do it, because
Speaker 3: they don't buy it. And I'm I get I'm like,
Speaker 3: like that one haunts me because it's.
Speaker 1: Also not true because they make them now and now
Speaker 1: kids play with them all the time, you know exactly,
Speaker 1: So I just think they hadn't been introduced.
Speaker 3: Like the guy was going off these numbers and it
Speaker 3: was the chicken or the egg, and it was definitely
Speaker 3: the chicken he was looking at like yeah.
Speaker 1: He was like, no, no one likes the chicken. I'm like,
Speaker 1: but you haven't given them the egg, And it's a
Speaker 1: horrible no. It makes sense. It's like if you're not
Speaker 1: giving the girls anything that's going they're going to identify
Speaker 1: with or representation of any kind, you know, then like
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, yeah, I guess gi Jo's are for
Speaker 1: boys and that's it. Like that whole toy cat.
Speaker 3: Was so such like like horrible old fashioned thinking and
Speaker 3: I remember thinking like can that be true?
Speaker 1: And now like a Mowana thing and everyone all the
Speaker 1: girls buy them. So he was wrong. But that's the
Speaker 1: answer question is.
Speaker 3: There's not been a lot, Like I have a couple
Speaker 3: of figures from like you know, like Tim Possible there
Speaker 3: was like a you know.
Speaker 1: What a happy meal that had she go in it
Speaker 1: for a little bit, and so I have a few
Speaker 1: of those.
Speaker 3: But but regardless, I've had amazing experiences with animation, Like
Speaker 3: I I've loved so many of the shows I've done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've done like a lot of Family Guys too, right,
Speaker 1: I feel like I always see your name in the
Speaker 1: credits for Family Guy. I'm a BoJack girl. That's like
Speaker 1: that was okay, Oh my god, Okay, I have to again,
Speaker 1: I'm taking up too much. No, this is okay. I
Speaker 1: have two stories. I have two stories.
Speaker 3: Okay, first I'll tell the BoJack Horseman story, which is
Speaker 3: not really that much story. But they said, hey, Nicole,
Speaker 3: they're doing this new show called BoJack Horseman.
Speaker 1: Uh, what's not Lisa Kudro, But what's the other woman
Speaker 1: who's the the main woman in it? Alison Amy Sedaris
Speaker 1: or Alison No, maybe it was She's pretty fairline, but
Speaker 1: Lisa Kudro is in season two, she's an owl for
Speaker 1: a few episodes. It was the first scene. It was
Speaker 1: the first episode, and it was the main female. Forget
Speaker 1: if it was.
Speaker 3: Uh, I forget which part it was any or the
Speaker 3: part Okay anyway, So they said they're not they're not
Speaker 3: able to make the table ree Can you read for them,
Speaker 3: which I've done at other things, like you just go
Speaker 3: to a table read and you read their part. And
Speaker 3: we did the reading and I remember walking out and
Speaker 3: I was walking it with like a friend of mine
Speaker 3: who was writing, and I said.
Speaker 2: What the fuck.
Speaker 1: Are they out of their minds? This is the stupidest thing.
Speaker 1: I have ever. I was so judgmentle next thing, I know,
Speaker 1: the larger following huge it. I was like, and I'm
Speaker 1: that's always for me. I never can guess what's gonna
Speaker 1: like make it and be good. I can.
Speaker 3: I have zero radar for that. So that was my
Speaker 3: dumb BoJack Risman. But here's my Family Guy story.
Speaker 1: So what year is it? Two thousand?
Speaker 3: Anyway, it's the year before Family Guy and Future I'm
Speaker 3: gonna come on the air because they came on the
Speaker 3: air at the same.
Speaker 1: So they both came on I think in like ninety eight, honestly, no, no, okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I remember watching them my freshmen year college. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's ninety eight.
Speaker 3: That super Bowl was in Miami that year, and so
Speaker 3: Fox back in the day had so much money. I mean,
Speaker 3: they spent money on us, like they would give you
Speaker 3: per dms of like five hundred. It was crazy, like
Speaker 3: if they just ORed money into actors, flew us everywhere.
Speaker 3: So there's a hell of us at the at the
Speaker 3: at the super Bowl in Miami that year, and stuff
Speaker 3: was happening, and we're supposed to get on the little chart,
Speaker 3: our little Fox charter bus to take us to the
Speaker 3: next event, and I got there early and Seth McFarlane
Speaker 3: was there early, who I obviously didn't know who it was.
Speaker 3: And on the Fox little bus, the little rent to
Speaker 3: bus they were doing, they had a thing running of
Speaker 3: like they're for the upfronts, like the clips of all
Speaker 3: the shows, clips of all the shows, like selling it,
Speaker 3: and so that was on loop and we sat there
Speaker 3: for like twenty minutes watching the five minute thing four
Speaker 3: times in a row that year. Earlier that year, I
Speaker 3: had been cast as the lead in Futurama the Cyclopes woman,
Speaker 3: not the lead, but you know, the lead.
Speaker 1: Fuh.
Speaker 3: I recorded an episode and they fired me and they're
Speaker 3: like it's not the voice isn't working or not. I
Speaker 3: was like, okay, horrible, Okay. Then they recorded a couple
Speaker 3: of episodes they called me back. I said, we don't
Speaker 3: know what we were thinking. We've tried a million other voice.
Speaker 3: Nothing's as good as you. Please we beg you know,
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. And I was like, okay, okay, loo,
Speaker 3: come back. So we came back, recorded those episodes that
Speaker 3: they then they fired me again. I was obviously like
Speaker 3: really sad, heart broken, but like angry, like why would you.
Speaker 1: That's messing with someone's head. Like, if you didn't want me,
Speaker 1: don't use me.
Speaker 3: So we're watching the clips and both of us, you know,
Speaker 3: I introduced each other watching it and the future.
Speaker 1: It's just just a long story. The Futurama clips were like.
Speaker 3: Ten to one time, like Future Ama Da Da Da da,
Speaker 3: and they were giving family to like ten seconds, and
Speaker 3: he goes, that's my show, and I'm like, oh, and
Speaker 3: I go I think, goes, I hate Matt Greening, and
Speaker 3: I was like.
Speaker 1: I hate them too, Hi, what's your name?
Speaker 3: And we introduced ourselves and sat next to each other
Speaker 3: on that bus, just ripping into Futurama, which is of
Speaker 3: course an amazing show and great and of course Matt
Speaker 3: magrig is brilliant.
Speaker 1: We don't hate him, but like, we were so angry
Speaker 1: and bitter.
Speaker 3: That day on that bus, and we became besties and
Speaker 3: like hung out all the time after that.
Speaker 1: Just our love our hate of Futurama. Love it. I
Speaker 1: love when hatred brings people together. Yeah, yeah, that is
Speaker 1: such a funny stories. I can't believe they jerked you
Speaker 1: around like that.
Speaker 3: I know, I guess I can, but yeah, that was
Speaker 3: myly the only job I've ever been fired from.
Speaker 1: And it's hard because like that literally is like a
Speaker 1: lake house. I couldn't I know. Oh my god, that's
Speaker 1: like that was a big job to none. It's still
Speaker 1: the only thing playing on Comedy Central. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I just really quickly googled it. It was the very
Speaker 1: beginning of ninety nine, not ninety eight, but I was close.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, great, just for That's what's tough about the bit,
Speaker 2: Like when you're testing and you have to sign for
Speaker 2: money that you might make and you sure just like
Speaker 2: really play off faring and then it's uh that they
Speaker 2: really like to do that.
Speaker 3: And you're hoping, like maybe this is the one show
Speaker 3: Matt does and it's not going to be funny, and
Speaker 3: of course it's brilliant and funny.
Speaker 1: And oh my god, wait, I want to go back
Speaker 1: to I'm from Skokye next to instance So Illinois.
Speaker 3: That's where the van is from, Skooky from TV from Illinois.
Speaker 3: That's yes, she literally skoky that's where the mall is
Speaker 3: and Skooky Illinois. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I just love everyone that goes to Northwest. Lisa somehow
Speaker 1: escaped any kind of Midwest accent at all.
Speaker 2: Like I don't thinks I'm from New York. I think
Speaker 2: I would watch The Nanny too much as a kid
Speaker 2: or something like.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: And I have zero New York accent and totally picked
Speaker 3: up on the Midwestern And that's much more what I
Speaker 3: sound like in Midwestern than New York.
Speaker 1: I never had the New York accent.
Speaker 2: But Northwestern has churned out like some of the best
Speaker 2: comedy people ever and just performers.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's a good school. Yeah, it's a great school.
Speaker 1: I did not. I was not successful there. I was
Speaker 1: not popular.
Speaker 3: I was not casting a lot of stuff like I
Speaker 3: would just you know, back then, it was like the
Speaker 3: cast list was on the wall like you see in movies.
Speaker 3: It really was like now, I'm sure they get emails,
Speaker 3: but like back then, everyone looked at the wall to
Speaker 3: get in the and.
Speaker 1: Then do they try to like do they try to
Speaker 1: like hit you up to come back and like talk
Speaker 1: to the school and like you know, be involved, And
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, you guys. It wasn't actually that great
Speaker 1: for me, but I had to bet, like you know why,
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: I really had the best fucking time, And then I
Speaker 3: had to make my own things, Like I worked with
Speaker 3: the student I like, I was like, I'll direct apply it,
Speaker 3: like I had to make my own reality because I
Speaker 3: wasn't popular and getting the parts. But it totally trained
Speaker 3: me for LA. Like when people come out and they're
Speaker 3: like they're the star of their musical and wherever town
Speaker 3: and they come out to LA and it's hard, I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh shit, no is always the answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean when you get a yes, I mean
Speaker 1: I already knew that coming out that is so good.
Speaker 1: That's like really great. I feel like for me that
Speaker 1: was commercial commercial auditions. I would just do a million
Speaker 1: commercial auditions and go, well, I'm never going to get
Speaker 1: any of this and then just move on with my day.
Speaker 1: And it really helped me set the mindset of forgetting
Speaker 1: about it. As soon as you audition, can I speak
Speaker 1: to that?
Speaker 3: So I I'm like that with audition auditions, like I
Speaker 3: do it and then I forget. People like or my
Speaker 3: Maner's like that audition for what, I'm like, what was that?
Speaker 3: I'd like, I don't even remember I did it. A
Speaker 3: Commercial auditions messed with my head so badly because it
Speaker 3: was like you get one second to be like this
Speaker 3: burger's juicier than I thought that's not real. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: like I was like, I was like, let's come here again,
Speaker 3: and that's the one line. And I would get in
Speaker 3: the car after it and put my rearview mirror and
Speaker 3: do the line a hundred times and think like, how
Speaker 3: could I have done that better?
Speaker 1: Like it messed?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Or I was going in all the time in New
Speaker 1: York for commercial auditions, and then like Deborah Wilson from
Speaker 1: Mad TV would be there. I'd be like, I think
Speaker 1: she's getting this, you know, like yeah, Like or I'd
Speaker 1: be like with six girls from Orange is the New Black,
Speaker 1: and be like, why are we here? Why are the
Speaker 1: rest of us here?
Speaker 3: Like that, Yeah, the waiting room, But don't you kind
Speaker 3: of miss but don't you kind of miss it now
Speaker 3: that we don't get them?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I made I made, I made people. I only got
Speaker 2: a snip it. I truly got maybe a year. I
Speaker 2: got maybe a year of impersonal auditions in my career,
Speaker 2: like in New York running around, so you would be.
Speaker 1: A little longer, but you were still in like this
Speaker 1: is horrible stage. No, I love it. I love celeb stuff.
Speaker 2: I love Hollywood, Like it's why I wanted to do
Speaker 2: everything so I loved seeing famous people in the rooms
Speaker 2: or running around, and I felt so cool going to
Speaker 2: my acting coach and walking to the audition, like I
Speaker 2: romanticized so much.
Speaker 1: So I really yeah, me too.
Speaker 3: I loved it, and I'm like it was so much fun.
Speaker 3: I met all my good friends in those rooms and
Speaker 3: now I don't see them.
Speaker 1: And yeah, probably my big embarrassing one was I knew
Speaker 1: I was bombing. I knew it wasn't going good. So
Speaker 1: I go cold, we just.
Speaker 2: Please stop this, Like, I just this is bad. They're like, no, finish, shit,
Speaker 2: it's fine. I go okay, but I just this isn't
Speaker 2: going well.
Speaker 1: And then I walked out and Lena Hall was going
Speaker 1: in after me, and I was like, okay, cool, but
Speaker 1: is your little uh silver lining. I love that you
Speaker 1: called yourself out of like this is not We're not
Speaker 1: going anywhere. I'm embarrassed, like I don't want to I
Speaker 1: don't want to continue. You don't want this.
Speaker 2: I don't want this, Like why are we pretending? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm good enough, But I guess that's how you learn
Speaker 2: is not doing well.
Speaker 1: I love that you did that. Yeah for all this,
Speaker 1: Uh thanks, any last minute tidbits from your time on
Speaker 1: SVU twenty four years right, I got so I got
Speaker 1: so lost on the SVU.
Speaker 3: I would just say, like my so the takeaways was
Speaker 3: the dick wolf moment washd just really okay, here's here's
Speaker 3: here's the story and it's doesn't baby. So we're shooting
Speaker 3: the thing and there now they're shooting through the window,
Speaker 3: right reverse shots. So yeah, it's my face against the
Speaker 3: little subway haunting. Yes, hunting.
Speaker 1: And the director had to call me over and he
Speaker 1: did it privately, which was really kind.
Speaker 3: He's like, hey, he goes, can you not open your
Speaker 3: eyes so wide when you're getting attacked? Attacked? Can you
Speaker 3: not when your eyes so what? It kind of comes
Speaker 3: across funny.
Speaker 1: Like I was like that.
Speaker 3: I was like, I say, okay, okay. He's like, it's
Speaker 3: a little loose sill ball when your eyes are really wide.
Speaker 3: And I mean that's the weirdest and best and humiliating
Speaker 3: note of all time.
Speaker 1: And I loved it. I loved it. I did not
Speaker 1: open as much. That is so funny, because yeah, I
Speaker 1: think of you as like doing these characters with like
Speaker 1: big like you know, yes, your eyes are a big
Speaker 1: part of your comedy persona.
Speaker 3: And I love that.
Speaker 1: He's like, we need to tone that down. We don't.
Speaker 1: It's not about that, It's not about the eyes today.
Speaker 2: Yes, what wait, is there anything that's coming out soon
Speaker 2: that you would want people to know about?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Projects, Sex Lives of College Girls. Oh, I small a
Speaker 3: small part in two episodes. Uh, but I love that part.
Speaker 3: I love that character, and I love that show. I
Speaker 3: think the girls are so like I just find them
Speaker 3: so charming on screen. I think it's such a a
Speaker 3: really cute and lovely show. So I always promote it.
Speaker 1: Oh, amazing, Great, it's on Max Max ex Slice of
Speaker 1: College Girls on Max. Amazing.
Speaker 3: Timothy Shallomey's sister is I play the mother. She's the lead,
Speaker 3: and I play the mother to hers.
Speaker 1: She's delight Ooh I didn't even know Timothy Shalomey had
Speaker 1: a sister in the biz. That's fun. Have a great
Speaker 1: rest of your day. We so appreciate you taking the time.
Speaker 1: This was the best.
Speaker 3: This has been a bless I knew it was going
Speaker 3: to be super fun. I was so excited about it.
Speaker 3: I knew and it was as good as I wanted it. Wow,
Speaker 3: ninety minutes. We had to cap that at ninety minutes.
Speaker 3: And we truly could have talked to her for longer.
Speaker 1: For so much longer. But also she just likes what
Speaker 1: we like. Yeah, so much matching interests. That's nice, so
Speaker 1: like we like. I'd been thinking ever since we talked
Speaker 1: to her about how she's like. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if Casey kept this in the interview or not, but
Speaker 1: how she was like, I don't think my kids like me,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh no, oh, is that my future?
Speaker 1: My kids were gonna like me? I mean, she's obviously
Speaker 1: being funny about it. She's like, I mean they like
Speaker 1: when I buy them sushi, but like they don't like me.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, but I've been Nicole Sullivan's
Speaker 1: words have been ringing in my ears. And I ran
Speaker 1: into like a mutual that we have and I was like,
Speaker 1: I got to talk to Nicole Sullivan and she was like,
Speaker 1: isn't she the best? And I was like, yes, she
Speaker 1: was truly the best. I love talking to her. We
Speaker 1: were like counseling her on Housewives, but Housewives is coming back.
Speaker 1: We have salt. I'm just like, so on the edge
Speaker 1: of my seat for more epic entertainment. I think while
Speaker 1: you're waiting, you got to get into a secret lives
Speaker 1: and Mormon wives. I know, but I know you're holding back, Charmed.
Speaker 2: I am holding back because I know I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: be upset by it's religion and chauvinism. Like it's just
Speaker 2: two things that rilly me in a way that I like, can't.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm gonna see this young younger because.
Speaker 1: I can't. But I just think you might like how
Speaker 1: it's not all of them following it. You know, like
Speaker 1: half of them are kind of like what. Half of
Speaker 1: them are like we drink, you know, half of them
Speaker 1: are like we do. I think the other half are
Speaker 1: like cheersing with cokes and wine glasses. I do want
Speaker 1: to try all the Mormon drinks.
Speaker 2: I do want to have a Doctor Pepper with coconut
Speaker 2: cream and a lot you know, I want to Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Would like to have a little fun. Excuse me, do
Speaker 1: you have a Mormon drink? Flight?
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 1: I just remember? And I have a potato tiketo in
Speaker 1: my fridge. Ooh, I love a potato tiqito. Any Mexican
Speaker 1: foods where you just shoved some potato in there?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I went after Union Hall last night and I did
Speaker 2: have a Leachi margarita. Not as good as a Leachi martini.
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, it was disgusting. Doesn't match. But anyway
Speaker 2: back to our you know what, now that we're on
Speaker 2: the fucking post, we could talk about the NYPD. Fucking
Speaker 2: watch if you get groped, Watch if you actually need help.
Speaker 2: These motherfuckers. Someone jumped the turnstile. It's a two dollars
Speaker 2: ninety cent ticket. Four people shot. The NYPD shot four
Speaker 2: people on a train platform.
Speaker 1: Pew pew, pew. Like it's fucking guns and robbers. Why
Speaker 1: are you trying to shoot people for like pretty much
Speaker 1: any kind of robbery, Like, I don't know, I just
Speaker 1: don't think anybody's like stuff is worth someone dying. No,
Speaker 1: get the cops out of our fucking subways.
Speaker 2: Stop harassing the churoh women, stop fucking shooting civilians. And
Speaker 2: why don't you get rapists, Why don't you start fucking
Speaker 2: arresting each other?
Speaker 1: You lose it actually, like like perfectly attaches to this
Speaker 1: episode with because of like the subway stuff, because yeah,
Speaker 1: you would immediately think, oh, this crime in the subway,
Speaker 1: get the police in there, but like, look what they're
Speaker 1: fucking doing Jesus, that story's crazy and did one person
Speaker 1: die or one person's in critical condition?
Speaker 2: I know that I unfortunately am a headline only woman,
Speaker 2: and I have no details. No, no, I do read
Speaker 2: the news for our show. I am very involved.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, you just don't know the answer to
Speaker 1: that question. And that's absolutely acceptable. I'm fine, that's fine.
Speaker 1: I just guilty. Yeah, I mean for the post mortem,
Speaker 1: I was gonna be like, well, I think give New
Speaker 1: Yorkers more of a benefit of the doubt, because I
Speaker 1: do think that they like help. Like I talked, I
Speaker 1: talked about how I fainted in the subway in New
Speaker 1: York and a lot of people helped me, you know.
Speaker 1: But and I have stepped in when I've seen people
Speaker 1: getting harassed and stuff like that, but like this, that
Speaker 1: scene is just so haunting to me. How everybody just
Speaker 1: kind of like reads their paper and like makes eyes
Speaker 1: at each other like are we going to do anything?
Speaker 1: And then no one does anything and the story Nicole
Speaker 1: said that even dick Wolf was like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Well we found an episode that fucked dick Wolf up.
Speaker 1: So that's and that's in season one, and he kept
Speaker 1: chugging along, so not fucked up enough, I guess chugging
Speaker 1: uh along, but yeah, this is a I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's like everybody, every woman is very like
Speaker 1: up on high alert. I think on public transportation, like
Speaker 1: you just are like you just have to be looking
Speaker 1: around at your surroundings and like figuring out you know.
Speaker 2: No, And there's a younger comic at the cellar and
Speaker 2: she was about to take an hour long train ride
Speaker 2: home and I was like, oh, yeah, damn, Like it's
Speaker 2: two in the morning and you're just something alone on
Speaker 2: the eat Like fuck. I feel lucky that I can
Speaker 2: take a cheap car, yes, because those lay ones are expensive.
Speaker 2: They add up, it's hard, so I feel really lucky
Speaker 2: to be close by.
Speaker 1: I had a friend who used to fall asleep on
Speaker 1: the train all the time, and she'd be like, it's
Speaker 1: not that big of a deal. I'm only one stop pass.
Speaker 1: If I fall asleep, I'll just walk. And I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: it's not about missing your stop. Like stop falling asleep
Speaker 1: on the train gonna get fucking kidnapped or like a
Speaker 1: alted Like I don't know, but everybody in every city
Speaker 1: that you're on, you know, just we I'm always telling everybody,
Speaker 1: keep your wits about you. Don't be staring at your
Speaker 1: phone too hard for too long, even though I'm guilty
Speaker 1: of it. Just glance up, make sure everybody around you
Speaker 1: is normal and not being all I got care.
Speaker 2: It's actually so funny because I put it in the
Speaker 2: shared album. But I took a video of the sprinkler
Speaker 2: situation and everyone running chaos and you are in a
Speaker 2: white dress in the middle of it, all on your
Speaker 2: phone looking at it hard.
Speaker 1: I felt safe. I felt safe. We were running, going
Speaker 1: wild and you it was it was. It was very
Speaker 1: stoned when that happened, and I was like, I know
Speaker 1: that's what made you pass. And then I think I
Speaker 1: was just looking at my phone, going, wait, what's going
Speaker 1: on with the sprinkler? Like I just I tried to
Speaker 1: smoke a little weed to like be like food, and
Speaker 1: then it was it's always backfires.
Speaker 2: I need to not But now we found a tarantula.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I did a terrible thing, actually that
Speaker 2: I will confess on this. So my friend has like
Speaker 2: a giant phobia of frogs. It is an irrational fear.
Speaker 1: She knows it. It is bad.
Speaker 2: Yes, one night during beer pong, we saw a frog
Speaker 2: tiny one, Yeah, tiny were you there was that when
Speaker 2: you saw the frog? Yeah? And I yelled at every
Speaker 2: and I go, don't you fucking tell her? No one
Speaker 2: can tell her about the frog, like it'll ruin everything.
Speaker 2: So while we're at all coved getting drunk, I remember
Speaker 2: the frog. And since the vacation is done, I go, oh,
Speaker 2: I do have something to reveal. Biggest mistake of my life.
Speaker 2: I ruined everything. The phobia is deeper than I could
Speaker 2: have ever envision. She basically said, that's the one place
Speaker 2: I've ever felt safe like to go. And I didn't
Speaker 2: realize she was always on hi alert. And then Lane
Speaker 2: was like fuck. And because she's like, well, I'm always
Speaker 2: on edge, I'm in Florida, I'm always looking, she goes,
Speaker 2: if you see one in New York, do not tell me.
Speaker 1: She goes, do not do this.
Speaker 2: And it's like the biggest mistake I've ever made in
Speaker 2: my life because it's the one place, she says, she
Speaker 2: always feels free and safe and isn't always checking for frogs.
Speaker 2: And I go, are you always checking for frogs?
Speaker 1: And she is, oh my god.
Speaker 2: It's so it's such a phobia that she is always
Speaker 2: thinking about it and I can't believe it that I
Speaker 2: took the one safe haven away from her by revealing
Speaker 2: the frog. What I thought was safe because we were
Speaker 2: just like drunk out of springs And she goes, well,
Speaker 2: it's just gonna be like everywhere else. I'm always on edge,
Speaker 2: I'm always circling. She's like lifeguard looking for a frog
Speaker 2: at all times.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, maybe we need to figure out some
Speaker 1: kind of like exposure therapy for her. And they started,
Speaker 1: and then they started reminiscing of all the times she's
Speaker 1: hat like at restaurants, like always looking under tables, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I didn't know it ran this deep. I'm
Speaker 1: the worst friend ever. No, you were telling her about
Speaker 1: something that happened a forty twenty four hours earlier. I mean,
Speaker 1: who could know it went so deep? But like now
Speaker 1: I guess we know.
Speaker 2: This is what my mom always says, I talk too much.
Speaker 2: I need to shut my mouth, like stop telling people's stuff.
Speaker 2: And that would have been perfect, but I was like
Speaker 2: so fucked up like that. It just like hit me
Speaker 2: and I go, oh, this will be a funny thing.
Speaker 2: And then it was like I'll never feel relaxed again.
Speaker 2: She goes, it was the only place I can relax.
Speaker 2: She goes, I didn't know even frogs are there. She goes,
Speaker 2: thank god, I didn't know during the dinner because it's
Speaker 2: like a wet and she goes, but I should have known.
Speaker 2: I go, well, there's tons of crickets. There was crickets
Speaker 2: in my room. And she goes, oh, well, that's the frogs, pray.
Speaker 2: I should have known there were frogs, like she knows
Speaker 2: what they're eating, like she knows of a cricket's ear.
Speaker 1: God, oh my god.
Speaker 2: But then other people saw a snake on the property.
Speaker 2: I'm glad I didn't see that. That would have really
Speaker 2: fucked me up, but not that I would never relax again.
Speaker 1: Poor thing. We need to look into like an exposure
Speaker 1: therapy for her. Maybe there's like someone that can like
Speaker 1: slowly introduce her to like a nice frog, and we
Speaker 1: can like figure out some way that she can get
Speaker 1: over it.
Speaker 2: I don't know she's been strong before because her friend
Speaker 2: Cassidy got married and she was in the wedding and
Speaker 2: there were frogs at the pond and it was hard
Speaker 2: for her. Oh yeah, because she had to wear he
Speaker 2: oh thong heels, thong kitten.
Speaker 1: Heels like flip flop kitten heels. Yikes, that's a choice, okay,
Speaker 1: and that's also a lot of toe exposed for frog touching. Anyway,
Speaker 1: let's move on. This is gonna be the longest episode
Speaker 1: of our podcast history. Uh, what would is it? Okay?
Speaker 3: If I move on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say I was like shaking crickets
Speaker 2: out of my clothes with no thought in my brain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no thought in or out. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: had I had crickets in my house.
Speaker 2: But I also like, I hate getting nauseous from drugs
Speaker 2: and hating too much. Like I've just been very like
Speaker 2: more not into it. But I was like, I just
Speaker 2: want to eat the drugs to be included, but not
Speaker 2: feel anything.
Speaker 1: And that is what happened was I hate mallia mushrooms
Speaker 1: and just floated and was like waiting for people to
Speaker 1: start talking again. I'm like, when is solitary hour over? Okay,
Speaker 1: Let's move on to our what would Sister Peg do?
Speaker 1: Our weekly segment where we direct you towards an organization
Speaker 1: a website.
Speaker 2: I do want to interrupt again, but it is funny
Speaker 2: to see all the couple and everyone different because you
Speaker 2: and one other couple were the reading couples, but you
Speaker 2: were real books and they were kindle books, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you guys were the readers of the of that.
Speaker 1: I just am trying to get through this book because
Speaker 1: I'm so late for book club every month and I'm
Speaker 1: just reading at the last minute, and then I'm one
Speaker 1: of the only people that's ever finished the book. But
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, on this trip, I'll get some
Speaker 1: chance to read and like actually get ahead in the
Speaker 1: book and not be like the day before book club
Speaker 1: fucking freaking out and binge reading. But yes, I love
Speaker 1: a I actually have. Oh no, that's not true. I've
Speaker 1: read a book on my kindle fire, but I don't
Speaker 1: usually I'm more of a paper book person. Anyway, Let's
Speaker 1: move on to our what would Sister Peg Do? This
Speaker 1: is our weekly segment where we direct you towards an article,
Speaker 1: a blog post that I love to talk about. No,
Speaker 1: not a website, an organization, something that has more information
Speaker 1: for you about what we talked about today, or something
Speaker 1: that could be helpful for you. And I wanted to
Speaker 1: point you to an article on the rain website. Rain
Speaker 1: stands for the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network. We've
Speaker 1: called them out many times on this podcast, but they
Speaker 1: had an article specifically about street harassment, which encompasses like
Speaker 1: public transportation harassment. So they lay out the definition the
Speaker 1: effects that street harassment can have and it also has
Speaker 1: helpful tips of what to do if you're a victim
Speaker 1: in this situation as well as how to help out
Speaker 1: if you witness street harassment. So, according to Rain, when
Speaker 1: in doubt, assume you should help. So for more information
Speaker 1: on that, go to rainr ai n N dot org
Speaker 1: and we will post that in our show notes as
Speaker 1: usual and as a story the day this episode comes out.
Speaker 1: And all of our stories for our episodes and are
Speaker 1: what would sister peg Do's and things we just mentioned
Speaker 1: on the podcast are saved in our Instagram highlights, so
Speaker 1: you can always go through there and check out past things.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for that. And next week is
Speaker 1: our two hundredth episode scar Beer Beer Beer.
Speaker 2: We're doing PC from season eleven, episode thirteen.
Speaker 1: Get with it jive turkeys? Is that a thing? I think? So?
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