1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: podcast network. Now get ready for us Strange Things with 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: Joshua P. Warn. 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,159 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of premier networks, or their sponsors 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 10 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: Yet ready to be amazed by the wizard of Weird 11 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: Strange with Jos Warren. I am Joshua Woope Warren, and 12 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: each week on this show, I'll be bringing you a 13 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: brand new my blowing content, news exercises and weird experiments 14 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: you can do at home, and a lot more on 15 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: this edition of the show Human Sacrifice. Does it work? Well, 16 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: It's always worked for me. I'm on the radio. Sometimes 17 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: people say, well, you're not really on the radio, you're 18 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: a podcast. It's all the same. It's all the same. 19 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: Of course, I do work for iHeartRadio, but radio TV 20 00:01:54,600 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: it's all electro magnetic transmissions and I am joking. No, 21 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: I have not engaged in human sacrifice. Sometimes I'll tell 22 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: a joke and then I have to get sort of 23 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: explicit and say that was a joke or I don't know. 24 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: People read so many weird things. I got on Facebook 25 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: the other day and I said, guess what I'm holding 26 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: in my left hand right now. Guess guess what I'm 27 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: holding in my left hand right now. And I really 28 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: wanted to see if people could guess what it was. 29 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: But you know what happened. Everybody went straight for the 30 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: dirty stuff. Not dirty dirty. But you know I'm saying, 31 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: it's like, no, it wasn't that, But I am going 32 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: to tell you on this show what I had in 33 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: my left hand, and as a matter of fact, I'm 34 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: going to have it in my left hand again here. 35 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: But getting back to the topic, you know, human sacrifice. 36 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: Life is tough and people are always trying to look 37 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: for ways to make it better, even if that may 38 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: involve human sacrifice. And sometimes when I bring up a 39 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 1: concept like, oh, life is tough, then there are people 40 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: who say, oh, that's negative. I thought you talk about 41 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: positive stuff, Josh. Look, there are parts of life that 42 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: are positive, but ultimately I mean life is negative because 43 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: we all have to die. Have you ever seen that 44 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: movie The Princess Bride? Great movie? Carrie Elvis's character, I 45 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: guess his name was Wesley. He says life is pain. 46 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: Anyone who says differently is selling something. You know, Carrie 47 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: elwis related to John elwis the inspiration for the real 48 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: Ebenezer Scrooge. So yes, life is tough. If you want 49 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: to understand more about that, just go listen to episode 50 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: two twenty four of this show called Strange Things, and 51 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: that episode is titled is this a rung of Hell? 52 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: And again? I say that because you know, life isn't 53 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:38,679 Speaker 1: always tough, but ultimately it is. If you're a pet owner, 54 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, there's a good chance that 55 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: you're going to have to, you know, bury the pet 56 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: or like I don't want to. I don't want to 57 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: get that deep into it, but you know, life is tough. 58 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: I was recently meeting with a buddy of mine from Chicago, 59 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: Ben Pavelon. As a matter of fact, I did a 60 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: little interview with him, and I'm going to try to 61 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: place some of that for you, probably not on this show. 62 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: I haven't had time to sit down and edit it. 63 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: I'm still trying to get caught up from having my 64 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: surgery and all that stuff. But I was sitting there 65 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: and I was talking to Ben, and I said, you know, 66 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: I think that maybe there are only two options in 67 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: terms of how you view life. Option number one, well, 68 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: this experience is just some kind of a fluke, and 69 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: there is no meaning or God or godlike meaning, and 70 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: when you breathe your last breath, you are simply gone nothing. 71 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: That's option number one. A lot of people believe that 72 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: option number two is there is an incomprehensible God or 73 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: god like meaning, and you are in a classroom that 74 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: teaches you via carrot or stick suffering and reward the 75 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: lesson you are naturally meant to learn, and that lesson 76 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: may even continue into future lives until you finally learn 77 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: it and finally end up in a place of peace 78 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: for a long while. I mean, I say, incomprehensible Try 79 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: explaining to your dog why we are going to Mars 80 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: right now, for example. So although I don't understand it, 81 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: I'm just I am just a redneck from western North Carolina. 82 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: But option too feels correct to me. The Great and 83 00:06:54,080 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: Terrible Joshua pe weren't. Sacrifice is a really fascinating top though, 84 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: because if you start digging into it, you start really 85 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: thinking about the idea of just sacrifice in general. It 86 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: really is sort of the basis of economics money in 87 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: modern day terms. You have to give up something in 88 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: order to get something. You don't just get everything handed 89 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: to you. You have to give some money you have, 90 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: and how do you get that money, Well, you have 91 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: to give up something to get the money. You give 92 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: up time, you give up effort, and you give up goods. 93 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: Before I get into whether or not human sacrifice may 94 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: or may not work, when I was thinking about this 95 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: topic as a show, I was thinking about this little 96 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: portion going back to the animal thing from a book 97 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: I wrote. This book was published Let's See published in 98 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: two thousand and six. It's called Pet Ghosts Animal Encounters 99 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: from Beyond the Grave, dedicated to Lauren with love and 100 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: on page thirty seven I wrote this. For hundreds of years, 101 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: especially in Europe and the Americas, it has been customary 102 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: to kill and bury an animal, or simply bury one 103 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: alive at the site of a newly constructed church or graveyard. 104 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: The spirit of the sacrifice creature is intended to guard 105 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 1: the property against vandals and others with disrespectful intentions. In 106 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: that case, the resultant wraith was called an ankhu a 107 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: n k ou So. An important estate may require multiple 108 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: animals to be sacrificed, and some of the most prominent 109 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: were lambs, pigs, cows, goats, and chickens. In eighteen ninety three, 110 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: author T. Thistleton Dyer wrote about these phantoms in a 111 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: book called ghost World, and he specifically commented on lambs 112 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: and churches, saying they often resided in the building's tower. 113 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: If the lamb's vision is seen leaping about the grounds 114 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: when service is not in session, it is an omen 115 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: that a parishioner's child will soon die. H this is 116 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: I know, we're not off on a good, good leg here. 117 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: It's kind of depressing, isn't it? But it is an 118 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: interesting question, isn't it. What's the answer to this? What 119 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: happens when you sacrifice a human? Like the Since we're humans, 120 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: you think if you sacrifice a human, that's sort of 121 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:20,359 Speaker 1: like the ultimate thing you can do. And also by sacrifice, 122 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about something like like going into war, 123 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: because when you go into war, your intention is is 124 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: not to lose people. It's the opposite. Actually, you don't 125 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: want to lose people. You're trying to protect your people. 126 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: You're just trying to kill the other folks. But in 127 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: terms of historic human sacrifice, what you really want to 128 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: do is say, yes, we are going to intentionally sacrifice 129 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: this you being. And I've come to a conclusion about 130 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: whether or not the human sacrifice ah well worked or works, 131 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: and I will tell you all about that when we 132 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: come back from our first break. And it's kind of 133 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: interesting how, you know, I was raised up in the 134 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: Southern Baptist tradition of the church and and it's you 135 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: know it kind of the Bible kind of starts with sacrifice. 136 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: Cain and Abel the first murder may have had something 137 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: to do with the idea of how something was sacrificed. 138 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: So we'll get into that. And then I'm going to 139 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: tell you what I have on my left hand, And 140 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: no it's not what you probably think I have, but 141 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: it's actually still very cool. 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Welcome back to Strange Things 158 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 159 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: I am your host, the Wizard of Weird, Joshua P. Warren, 160 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: beaming into your wormhole brain from my studio in Sin City, 161 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is golden and every 162 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: night is silver. Ziet Zoom. One of my favorite movies 163 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: is The Big Lebowski. I don't know I could probably 164 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: play a clip for you, but I don't know. I 165 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: don't want to take it, take a chance. I think 166 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: John Goodman's character is named Walter and he says, I 167 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: got a clip here, and he goes, nothing changes, dude, 168 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: nothing ever changes. I think about that quote a lot, 169 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: just in terms of how life evolves, because you see 170 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: these cycles the repeat over and over, and you know, 171 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: when it comes to human sacrifice, let's see, Yeah, sacrifice 172 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: in general as an exchange is just it's something that's 173 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: always been around in some form. And I don't know 174 00:14:54,000 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: if you've read the Bible, but you know, I you 175 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about to some degree. But I 176 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: always like to go back and revisit stories and make 177 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: sure I haven't misremembered things. And in the Bible starts 178 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: out with, you know, the first murder, Cain killed his 179 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: brother Abel, and Cain offered, well, God wanted a sacrifice 180 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: from these two brothers, and Cain offered the fruit of 181 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: the ground, while Abel offered the first born of his 182 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: flock and their fat portions. So in other words, it 183 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: wasn't human sacrifice, but it was animal sacrifice. And God 184 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: accepted Abel's offering but rejected Caines, which led to Cain's 185 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: jealousy and ultimately the murder of Abel. So what that 186 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: means is that, you know, Cain, he was a farmer 187 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: and so he raised you know, fruits and vegetables. But 188 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: Abel was a shepherd, and so he had lambs and whatnots. 189 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: And God liked the blood better. He liked the blood better. 190 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: And then again that made Cain jealous. And then so 191 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: so Cain, who was sacrificing vegetables, killed his brother Abel 192 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: because that Abel was offering up blood sacrifices according to 193 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: the Bible. And so that right off the bat was 194 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: one of the first times in my life when I 195 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: started thinking about the idea that like, oh God likes 196 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: blood sacrifices. That sounds real nice. What a nice guy. 197 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: He created us and he wants us to kill everything, 198 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: I guess. And then of course you move on in 199 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: the Bible, and there is the binding of Isaac. Let's 200 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: see here Book of Genesis. God orders Abraham to sacrifice 201 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:27,719 Speaker 1: his son Isaac on the mountain called Jehovah Jirah in 202 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: the region of Marah Mariah. I guess it is. I 203 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: am not a scholar. I told you as Abraham begins 204 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: to comply, having bound Isaac to an altar, he is 205 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: stopped by an angel of the Lord. A Ram appears 206 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: instead and is slaughtered instead. God commands. God commends Abraham's 207 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: pious obedience to offer his son as a human sacrifice. So, 208 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: you know, when you grow up in the south here 209 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: in this country, you hear these stories, all right, So 210 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: I just tell you that because that's part of my 211 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: exposure to the sort of thing. All right, let's get 212 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: into it now. Are you ready? Okay, So let me 213 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: ask you this. Of all of the cultures that you're 214 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: aware of, what culture do you think was best known 215 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: for sacrificing humans? So the idea is that, all right, 216 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: we got bad weather, we need to sacrifice a human. 217 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: The prettier, the better looking, the better kind of thing. 218 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: Oh we got, you know, a poor season for crops. 219 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: We got you know, an enemy is coming to get us. 220 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:59,479 Speaker 1: What culture do you think was number one? It turns 221 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: out a carently, according to the almighty Internet here that 222 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: everybody says the Aztecs, the Aztec Empire. And I'm looking, 223 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: I'm reading a little bit about the Aztecs right now. 224 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: And the Aztecs were basically Mexican was a Mexican culture 225 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 1: around the Valley of Mexico. Uh. And then finally the 226 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: Spanish conquistadors came in and defeated them. All right, fine, 227 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: what was the second one? Uh? The second was the Inca. 228 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: All right, well, let's look up the Incans here and 229 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: see what the deal is with the Incans. Shelley Incan Empire. See, 230 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: if you want a podcast, you just have to see 231 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: here and look up stuff on the internet. The Incan EMPI, 232 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: higher known as the Realm of Four Parts, was the 233 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: largest empire in pre Columbia, pre Columbian America. All right, 234 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: so it's down there in South America, and finally the 235 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: Spanish came and conquered them. All right, what's next next? 236 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: We have number three on the list, the Mayans. I 237 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: know a little bit more about the Mayans because I 238 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: went down and export some Mayan pyramids around. I guess 239 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 1: I was in Belize and says here, the Mayan civilization, 240 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: you know, the Mayan civilization just kind of died out. 241 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I remember that I was at this place 242 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: called wam and I and they were saying that nobody's 243 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: exactly sure what happened to the Mayans, but they all 244 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: just kind of like windled up. So the top three 245 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: cultures from what I can tell, who engaged in human 246 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 1: sacrifice where the Aztecs, the Incans, and the Mayan or 247 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: the Maya, and they all fell. And then next on 248 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: the list is the Chimu. This Peruvian culture preceding the 249 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: Inca practiced mass child sacrifices and they're not around anymore. 250 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 1: And then from there you get into you know, other 251 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: cultures like the Carthaginians, the Shang dynasty of ancient China. 252 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: But I guess what I'm my point is that, you know, 253 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: on a podcast, this is not like a dissertatee. I'm 254 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: just kind of giving you food for thought, so you 255 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: can go look more deeply into these things if you 256 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: want to. But it seems to me that these civilizations 257 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: that engaged in human sacrifice all fell. And herein I 258 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: guess Central and South America. You know, the Spaniards when 259 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: they came over, they were just ruthless, but at least 260 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: they were trying to be Christian, Like, I mean, that 261 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: was the idea. You know that it didn't work out 262 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: most of the time. And so my conclusion, my conclusion 263 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: is that no human sacrifice does not work. And it's 264 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: an interesting thing to think about, know how powerful of 265 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: a sacrifice are you supposed to give? But I would 266 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: say that maybe what's more important is having a mindset 267 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: where you are charitable and you try to believe in 268 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: the golden rule doing to others as they do into you, 269 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: because historically it seems like that that seems to work 270 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: out better. We're already up on another break, believe it 271 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: or not. All right, So finally when we come back, 272 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you what I have. Man, this 273 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: thing is heavy. I think it's like five pounds. I 274 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: got this thing in my left hand right now. Stop that. 275 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: If you're thinking dirty things, it's not dirty, Okay, I 276 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: told you it's five pounds. And and then I also 277 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: have something interesting to tell you about the storm Area 278 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: fifty one event. Do you remember when that happened? Storm 279 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: Area fifty one, twenty nineteen. I think it was Excuse me, 280 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: there's a new program out about that, so I'll touch 281 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: base on that for you as well. Five hundred and 282 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: eighty one thousand dollars. That's how much a guy won 283 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: using our wishing machine. Can you believe that? Go? To 284 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: joshuap Warren dot com. Click the link with the Curiosity Shop. 285 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: Check out the wishing machine the tepaphone five hundred and 286 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: eighty one thousand dollars. I won a lot of money 287 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: playing around with these things, but not that much. Maybe 288 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: you are the next person though, five hundred and eighty 289 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: one thousand dollars ours. I am Joshua Pee Warren, and 290 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: you are listening to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and 291 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast a M Paranormal Podcast Network, and I 292 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 1: will be back after these important messages. Welcome back to 293 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 294 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network. I'm your host, Joshua P. Warren, and 295 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: this is the show where the unusual becomes usual. During 296 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 1: the break, I had a little bite of low maine. 297 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: You know what the differences between low maine and chow 298 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: maine low maine versus I think I know this already, 299 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: but I want to make sure. Okay, So low maine 300 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: are noodles that are typically boiled and then tossed with 301 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: a sauce and other ingredients. Chowmaine are typically stir fried 302 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 1: until slightly crispy. It's it used to be a lot 303 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: easier to find low maine, but now it's, uh, it's hard. 304 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: At least it isn't in my world. I like low 305 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: main better than chow main. Of course, you'll you have 306 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: to eat it with chopsticks. I'm pretty good with chopsticks. 307 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: I was looking up the history of chopsticks. It says 308 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 1: they have been around since the Shang dynasty seventeen sixty 309 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: six to one twenty two BCE. I'm sure that means 310 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: nothing to any of us, but you just know, it's 311 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: a long time ago. So I could sit here in 312 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: Okay ten inches long twenty six centimeters ten inches long. 313 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: That's how long the original chopsticks were. I don't know. 314 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: It's kind of interesting, isn't it when you think about 315 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: how people used to eat a long time ago? And 316 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: it's still fun though, Like I like eating with chopsticks 317 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: just because it's it's a challenge and it slows me 318 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: down a little bit, you know, you get to play 319 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: with the dexterity and whatnot. It's always interesting when you 320 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: think about things that happened a long long time ago. 321 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:17,959 Speaker 1: And I have in my hand right now, are you ready? 322 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: Are you ready, here's the answer. It's a piece of wood. 323 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: I have in my left hand a large slab of wood. 324 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: But it's petrified wood. It's petrified and when I was well, 325 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: let me put it this way, I've always thought that 326 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: petrified wood was pretty amazing. And let me ask you this, 327 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: where do you think most of the world's petrified wood 328 00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: comes from. I'll do the two most of the woods. 329 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: Excuse me, most of the petrified wood in the world 330 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: comes from Arizona. And petrified wood, of course, is the 331 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: product of well, I'll just tell you what happened in Arizona. 332 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: In Arizona, from what I understand, they had a volcano. 333 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: This is a long time. I think the youngest piece 334 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: of petrified wood that you can possibly find is like 335 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: five thousand years old, so I mean we're predating Jesus 336 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: there by quite a bit. But most of it's millions 337 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: of years old. And what happened in Arizona was there 338 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: was a big volcano and all uh and also a 339 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: lot of the wood I guess was kind of a submerged. 340 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: Water was sort of swampy back in those days, so 341 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: all this volcanic ash came down into this water. And 342 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: it sealed out all the oxygen, and wood needs oxygen 343 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: in order to decay, and so it didn't have that oxygen, 344 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: and so it just stayed sealed there for an unimaginable 345 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: amount of time. And then what happened was that eventually 346 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: the minerals kind of seeped into the pores of the wood, 347 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: if you want to put it that way. And then finally, 348 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: when the wood did rot, it was reproduced by the 349 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: minerals that had seeped into the pores. And that is 350 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: why you have a big, giant, nice piece of petrified 351 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: wood like I have in my hand right now. Some 352 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: of these pieces of wood are these petrified wood pieces 353 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: are very very expensive. I mean, if you find a 354 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: nice stump, I mean that thing can easily be like 355 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: five six thousand dollars. But this is a this is 356 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: a good chunk. And I bought it because that I 357 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: was I don't know, somehow or another I was looking 358 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: at petrified wood and somebody had gotten on eBay and 359 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: listed this thing, and they were here in Las Vegas, 360 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,479 Speaker 1: and I guess they were going to hurry to get 361 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: rid of it, and so it was a really good price, 362 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: so I bought it. But it's just amazing to hold 363 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: something like this in your hand and see all the 364 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: little details and it it looks like a little actually 365 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: this piece that I have. Maybe I'll see if Lauren 366 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: if I can remember it. Maybe I'll see if Lauren 367 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: can put it on my Instagram. Joshua Pee Warren podcast, 368 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: that's my Instagram. It kind of it reminds me of 369 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: Devil's Tower in Wyoming, you know, that was the place 370 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: that was featured in Close Encounters of the Third Kind. 371 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: It kind of has that texture to it and all 372 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: those riations. But sometimes I look at stuff like this 373 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: and it's just boggles my mind, boggles the mind. A 374 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: lot of old stuff has been preserved out here in 375 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: the desert, you know. Of course I'm in Nevada, and 376 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: like I was saying, most of that petrified wood comes 377 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: from Arizona, even though it's found all over the world. 378 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: The other day, I was watching Netflix and they have 379 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: a series and it's called train Wreck, and so they 380 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: just feature different types of events that have happened over 381 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: the years where things went awry, and so they have 382 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: a one called storm Area fifty one train Wreck storm 383 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: Area fifty one there on Netflix, and that incident. Let's 384 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: see that happened in twenty nineteen. I'm not going to 385 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: go over all that because it's a long story, and 386 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: if you have Netflix, you could just watch it on 387 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: your own. But you may remember that this young man, 388 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: I guess he was in his early twenties, he decided 389 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: that he was going to essentially play a joke, and 390 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: so he got on Facebook and he said he'd listened 391 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: to Joe Rogan interview Bob Blazar, I believe, and Bob 392 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: Blazar was talking all about Area fifty one. He probably 393 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: heard some other people as well, Jeremy Corbel, and so 394 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: he just as a joke. He said he had like 395 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: forty five people who followed him on Facebook, and he 396 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: decided sit down and and say, well, let's they can't 397 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: stop us all. Let's go storm Area fifty one. You know, 398 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: let's go, let's go rush this place. And those of 399 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: you who followed my work back at that time, you 400 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: may remember that I was very interested in what was 401 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: going to happen. I did not endorse this, but I 402 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: also knew that it was. It was. It was ridiculous 403 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,919 Speaker 1: because here's you know, from what I understand about Area 404 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: fifty one. Uh, it's an underground base. And if even 405 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: if you stormed the fences, it would take you, I mean, 406 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: you'd have to go like fifteen or twenty miles across 407 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: some of the most harsh desert terrain in the world 408 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: with traps, you know, booby traps and rattlesnakes, scorpions, god 409 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: knows what. And then if you actually made it to 410 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: one of these areas where you could go down, then 411 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: you would have to well you'd have to fend off guards, 412 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: and then you'd have to know all these codes and 413 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: then but you know, you'd get down there and then 414 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: the doors would open, and then there would be more 415 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: guards and more codes, and it's just like it's an 416 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: impossible it's an impossible thing. There are some people who say, 417 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: now we don't even have good technology to build an 418 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: underground base like that, but it's too elaborate. Lauren recently 419 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: sent me this interesting story about King Solomon Solomon's shemir. 420 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: Have you ever heard about that? It's spelled s h 421 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: A m i R Solomon's shemir, And apparently in some 422 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: Jewish tradition, like Hebrew tradition, this was an amazing new technology. Well, 423 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't say new. This was an amazing technology 424 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 1: that Solomon could use in order to create underground tunnels 425 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:36,439 Speaker 1: and fortresses and secret hiding places. Somehow, I'd never heard 426 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: about this before. Solomon's Shemir basically kind of a nano 427 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: a nano technology, but also maybe living. It kind of 428 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 1: blurs the line between living and not living, you know, artificial, 429 00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 1: organic and inorganic. You know that kind of thing. So 430 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: oh myn my goodness. We're almost up on a break here. Okay, 431 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 1: when we come back for the break, I'll tell you 432 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: a little bit more about this thing called Solomon's Shemir, 433 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 1: what I found about it. I got a very interesting 434 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: uh well, I got a nice email from a listener. 435 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: I'll read that to you and then let's see what 436 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:28,240 Speaker 1: else gott Oh yeah, Polybius. You ever heard of Polybus Pete? 437 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: An arcade game that may or may not have existed. 438 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: I'm Joshua Pee Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on 439 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal podcast network. 440 00:37:44,400 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: I'll be right back. Welcome back to the final segment 441 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: this edition of Strange Things of the iHeartRadio and Coast 442 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua P. Warren, 443 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: and I got this, uh this message, this email from 444 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: Dave in New Mexico. He says, Hey, Joshua, just wanted 445 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 1: to say your current podcast, Strange Things is still pretty 446 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,919 Speaker 1: much my best and only go to's and that real 447 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: of listening entertainment. But it's because you've earned much respect, 448 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 1: at least from my fifty five year old mind, by 449 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,359 Speaker 1: ensuring you give your audience the most trustworthy information you can. 450 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: I grew up in the eighties. Things were much simpler 451 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: back then. You know, you're no spring Chicken either. It 452 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: sounds like ha ha, just kiddie round, sir. In this 453 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:28,240 Speaker 1: age of Internet information being so many people's only form 454 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: of continued learning, Well, it means a lot, sir, that 455 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 1: ye're out there too. Kind of a long way to 456 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: say thanks from this listener for being one of the 457 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 1: good guys. Well, thank you, Dave. I'm trying. I'm trying. 458 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: You know, it's hard. It's hard because I yeah, I 459 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 1: grew up without the Internet, without cell phones, and now 460 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: the whole world has just transformed dramatically, and so I 461 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: remember how in many ways the world was a better 462 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: place frankly before all this technology, because you weren't just 463 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: constantly bombarded with information and mind control all the time. 464 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: So I feel like I have lived to see a 465 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:34,840 Speaker 1: pretty dramatic shift in technology. So but hey, thank you 466 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 1: for listening, Dave, and I hope there are a lot 467 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: of other people like you out there who appreciate that. 468 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: I do want to get to Polybius because that kind 469 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: of goes back to the nineteen eighties thing. It's an 470 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: urban legend. But first, let me finish up on Solomon's 471 00:40:54,280 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: shamir sha m i R. Apparently in some of these 472 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: Hebrew texts, the shmir was a worm or a substance 473 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,840 Speaker 1: that had the power to cut through or disintegrate stone, iron, 474 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 1: and diamond. Solomon is said to have used it in 475 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,240 Speaker 1: the building of the First Temple in Jerusalem in place 476 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: of cutting tools. For the construction of Solomon's Temple, which 477 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 1: promoted peace, it was inappropriate to use tools that could 478 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 1: also cause war and bloodshed. Reference throughout the Talmud and Midrashim, 479 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,439 Speaker 1: And again I don't know if I'm pronouncing this right. 480 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 1: The shamir was reputed to have existed in the time 481 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,319 Speaker 1: of Moses as one of the Ten Wonders created on 482 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: the eve of the First Shabbat, just before God finished creation. 483 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,880 Speaker 1: Moses reputedly used the sh mirror to engrave the stones 484 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: and the priests and the priestly breastplate of the High 485 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,720 Speaker 1: Priest of Israel. I'm looking at a picture, a depiction 486 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,400 Speaker 1: of this from seventeen oh seven, and it kind of 487 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 1: looks like a little it's kind of like a little 488 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 1: tear dropped shape worm with sharp teeth. And you know, 489 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: I took time and I read about this, and look, 490 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I don't know if 491 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 1: there if there's anything to this or not, but it 492 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: almost seems like that, you know, it's it's an again, 493 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 1: like a nano in theory, like a nano technology size 494 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: of a barley corn. Okay, I'm reading this right now. 495 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I didn't do enough research before this show, 496 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,880 Speaker 1: but I did read a little bit about this, and 497 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: I said that first, now, this is kind of interesting 498 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: for storage. The Shemir was meant to have been always 499 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 1: wrapped in wool and stored in a container made of lead. 500 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:27,919 Speaker 1: Any other vessel would burst and disintegrate under the Shamir's gaze, 501 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:34,840 Speaker 1: so imagine like a little indestructible worm, like a little superman, 502 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: and you give it a task, and that thing goes 503 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:46,320 Speaker 1: out and just goes you know what, and starts eating 504 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 1: and carving and engraving things. Says King Solomon used the 505 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 1: shamir to engrave gemstones. He also used the blood of 506 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 1: the spar mere worm to make carved jewels with a 507 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: mystical skill or design. All Right, I don't know. I 508 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:15,279 Speaker 1: mean I this show is called Strange Things. I just 509 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: bring stuff up and if you find something interesting, you 510 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 1: can go look into it for yourself. Some of these 511 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:33,360 Speaker 1: things are just legends, myths, just you know, bunk. But 512 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 1: what do you think about this Polybius? You ever heard 513 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 1: of this? This is considered an urban legend. Here's how 514 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 1: this is spelled. P Lybius. Urban legend about a lost 515 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:53,479 Speaker 1: arcade video game from the nineteen eighties. I can't wait 516 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: to see what emails I get. I guarantee you there 517 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,360 Speaker 1: are people who are going to email me and be like, dude, 518 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:03,320 Speaker 1: this was not an urban legend. I played Polybius. P 519 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 1: l y Bius. Urban legend about a lost arcade video game. 520 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 1: According to the legend, a new game appeared in arcades 521 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:23,880 Speaker 1: around Portland, Oregon, in nineteen eighty one, and it became 522 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 1: quickly controversial because the gameplay was supposedly psychoactive, abstract, and dangerous. 523 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,600 Speaker 1: Children who played the arcade game were said to suffer 524 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:42,279 Speaker 1: from amnesia, seizures, night arrores, hallucinations. It's almost like this 525 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,400 Speaker 1: thing was invading her mind. And I never actually watched 526 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 1: that movie, The Ring, but it kind of reminds me 527 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,840 Speaker 1: of what people talk, what people say about that says. 528 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,920 Speaker 1: Despite these adverse effects, the arcade cabinet was described as 529 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:04,399 Speaker 1: so addictive the players returned to Polybius repeatedly until they 530 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:15,080 Speaker 1: went insane, died, or vanished. The lack of any surviving 531 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 1: Polybius cabinets is explained by men in black, who were 532 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 1: said to record data on the players before removing all 533 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:30,040 Speaker 1: of the arcade machines. There is no evidence that Polybius 534 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:36,279 Speaker 1: ever existed. The earliest known print reference to the game 535 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 1: is in the September two thousand and three issue of 536 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: GamePro I Guess That's a Magazine. The earliest online reference 537 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:51,640 Speaker 1: to Polybius as dated to nineteen ninety eight. There is 538 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:57,760 Speaker 1: no evidence that the supposed publisher existed. Snopes has called 539 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,760 Speaker 1: it a modern day version of the earth early eighties 540 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:05,160 Speaker 1: urban legends about men in black recording the high score 541 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:11,680 Speaker 1: initials saved in arcade machines. But the urban legend has 542 00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 1: had a lasting cultural impact. It has persisted in video 543 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:24,080 Speaker 1: game journalism and appeared in music, television, film, performance art. 544 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,040 Speaker 1: Two notable video games titled Polybius were released in two 545 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:34,759 Speaker 1: thousand and seven and twenty seventeen, claiming some degree of 546 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:40,440 Speaker 1: connection to the purported arcade game, and in fiction, the 547 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,719 Speaker 1: game and legend have been used to evoke nineteen eighties nostalgia, 548 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:51,759 Speaker 1: supernatural themes, and conspiracy theories. Okay, I never heard of it, 549 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,439 Speaker 1: but you know I was born in nineteen seventy six, 550 00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:00,120 Speaker 1: so maybe I was a little young for that. But 551 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,759 Speaker 1: I guarantee you now that I've talked about this, I'm 552 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,520 Speaker 1: going to get some emails, and if you played Polybius, 553 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,799 Speaker 1: p O L y b I us, email me. Let 554 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,520 Speaker 1: me know. This might be one of those sort of 555 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:23,160 Speaker 1: Mandela effect type things, dead celebrities phenomenon. I think you 556 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,160 Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. But if you go to 557 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,880 Speaker 1: Wikipedia and you look up Polybius, there's actually a picture 558 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,439 Speaker 1: of what appears to be the screen for this game. 559 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 1: All right, it's been another crazy one all over the place. 560 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,520 Speaker 1: But hey, as long as you're having fun, we're all good. 561 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,879 Speaker 1: That's going to do it. So now if you can 562 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,719 Speaker 1: close your eyes, take a deep breath, and let's all 563 00:48:50,800 --> 00:49:17,920 Speaker 1: meditate together on the good Fortune tone. That's it for 564 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,560 Speaker 1: this edition of the show. Follow me at Joshua P. 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