1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Good morning. I'm Doug Prisner and I'm Brian Curtiz. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 2: Here are the stories we're following today. US manufacturing activity 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 2: declined further in the month of June. The ISM Manufacturing 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: PMI at forty six, the lowest level that we've seen 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: since May of twenty twenty. A surgeon auto production during 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 2: April helped to prevent negative year on year growth. However, 7 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: the softening survey data suggests that a contraction in annual 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: production is still on the horizon. Here's ISM Manufacturing Business 9 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 2: Committee Chair Tim Fiori. 10 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 3: Now, I think the problem here is that there's still 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 3: no demand and we burned off the overordering. The backlog 12 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 3: is still contracking at a very strong rate. You know, 13 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 3: there's five things that I watch that's going to indicate 14 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 3: when we see a turnaround. Only one of them is positive, 15 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 3: and that's on the lee time side. 16 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: One highlight of the report shows a drop in the 17 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: prices sub index. It indicates that prices that producers pay 18 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: to their parts suppliers are falling more quickly. 19 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: We go to China next, where the government has imposed 20 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: new restrictions on the exportation of two metals crucial to 21 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: both the production of semiconductors and certain materials used in 22 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: the ev industry. Story from Bloomberg's Bonni Out in Hong 23 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: Kong call it. 24 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 4: The tit for tat on escalation of the US China 25 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 4: trade war. The move will add to US China tensions, 26 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 4: just as US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen visits Beijing to 27 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:33,199 Speaker 4: cool things down. China says the metals gallium and Germanium 28 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 4: will be subject to controls starting August first. Exporters will 29 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 4: need to apply for a license from the Ministry of 30 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 4: Commerce and they'll need to report details of the overseas buyers. 31 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 4: China is the dominant producer of the two metals, and 32 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 4: although the materials are not particularly rare, China keeps the 33 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 4: prices low, and with these new controls that's likely to change. 34 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 4: In Hong Kong and Bonnie Ol Bloomberg Day Break. 35 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: Asia, Apple's Vision Pro virtual reality heads that is off 36 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: to a slow start. Bloomberg's Larry Kowski reports. 37 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 5: Apple is slashing production targets for the thirty five hundred 38 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 5: dollars headset as manufacturers struggled with the gadget's complex design. 39 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 5: According to the Financial Times, Apple is now preparing to 40 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 5: make fewer than four hundred thousand units of the headset 41 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 5: next year. Plans for a cheaper version of the Vision 42 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 5: Pro are said to have been pushed back. Apple unveiled 43 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 5: the Vision Pro last month in a move to sustain 44 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 5: sales momentum and to try to propel a mixed reality 45 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 5: industry that has struggled for years to make it into 46 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 5: the mainstream. Larry Kofski Bloomberg day Break Asia. 47 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia will extend its production cut of a million 48 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: barrels a day by one month. This move is aimed 49 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: at what Offici'll see as stubbornly weak oil prices. Now, 50 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: the Kingdom's effort will get a little bit of help 51 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: from Russia, which is set to reduce its exports by 52 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: five hundred thousand barrels a day beginning in August. Here's 53 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's Will Kennedy Russia. 54 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 6: Move perhaps was a little bit more surprising. Clearly, there's 55 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 6: been a lot of focus on Russia's compliance with their 56 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 6: existing commitments, and for them to make an extra commitment 57 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 6: at this stage is very interesting. I think what the 58 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 6: market will really take from that is that the alliance 59 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 6: between Riad and Moscow remains strong, that they're determined to 60 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 6: work together to keep the oil market where they wanted, 61 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 6: and this today's move and the Russian side of that 62 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 6: was perhaps a little surprising. 63 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: Lumbrigs Will Kennedy there by the way, so fares here. 64 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: Moscow has dragged its heels on the cutback seen by 65 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: Opek plus as Russia faces more pressure to keep funds 66 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: flowing to its war against Ukraine. 67 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: Right in the meantime, India state oil refiners are considering 68 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: paying for Russian crude oil in the Chinese currency that 69 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: you want. The oil refiners include bar Up Petroleum and 70 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: Hindustan Petroleum. Officials from the two refiners say that there's 71 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: a risk that the use of these currencies for trade 72 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: with Russia will be stopped. Is thus looking for different 73 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: types of alternatives. However, an industry official said that the 74 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: refiners are unlikely to use the yuon for multiple cargoes 75 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: from Russia, as higher demand for the currency will make 76 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: the exchange rate unfavorable. The official also said that selling 77 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: dollars to buy you on would result in India effectively 78 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: helping China further its currency agenda, potentially a politically unpalatable step. 79 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: In the meantime, Reuters has reported that some of these 80 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: types of transactions in Yon for Russian crude were already 81 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: made last month. All right, eight minutes passed the hour. 82 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: I'm Brian Curtis along with Doug Krisner. So we've got 83 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 2: US China tensions increasing seemingly a not share. Although, as 84 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: we mentioned in our story Doug, some of these medals 85 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: are widely available, but it won't be as cheap. I 86 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 2: suppose if other countries like Japan, South Korea, Russia, Belgium, 87 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: if they are eventually the end suppliers, then the prime 88 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: could be higher. So it's something that will definitely make 89 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 2: Jenney Yellen's trip to China this week quite interesting. 90 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: I think that's fair to say. We were talking on 91 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: the call before the program about this move on the 92 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: part of China to explore to explore the possibility of 93 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: sourcing some of the core materials that are used for 94 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: lithian production and refining those in South America before those 95 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: materials are exported back to China. This just shows how 96 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: shrewd China has been in really dominating a lot of 97 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: the raw material markets used for things like EV batteries 98 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:41,679 Speaker 1: and even semiconductors. 99 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, both sides are quite active now on this front, 100 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 2: trying to outcompete with the other, speaking the two sides, 101 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: US and China, and that will be, as we mentioned, 102 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 2: quite under the spotlight this week with Jennet Yellen going there. 103 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: Now her new counterpart is Vice Premier Holy Fung and 104 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 2: he has succeeded Leohua. And you'll remember, Doug that when 105 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 2: Yellen and Leu met back in January in Zurich, their 106 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: rapport was so good that they at one point dismissed 107 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 2: their aid so that they could talk privately. And so 108 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: it'll be really interesting to see how this new dynamic 109 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: is between Jennet Yellen and Hollyphone. Holophone, like Leoha has 110 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 2: said to be a very long confidant of President Shijen Pain. 111 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: Well, it's going to be very interesting, particularly since the 112 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: moment that you kind of referenced. Since that time, I mean, 113 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: the administration has seemingly leaned more severely into a lot 114 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: of the restrictions on certain types of technology, particularly where 115 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: advanced semiconductors are concerned. 116 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty interesting part of the relationship anything 117 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: high tech and that besides semiconductors, these particular metals that 118 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: we talked about today, are used in solar panels, in 119 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: the making of solar panels, in electric vehicles, and even telecommunications, 120 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,679 Speaker 2: so it's pretty broad. So what else we have on today. 121 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 2: We've got the Reserve Bank of Australia decision, so that'll 122 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: be interesting. And we just did a couple of stories 123 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: about oil. I wonder what Saudi and Russia extending this 124 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: supply cut says about in demand. Are they not seeing 125 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 2: strong end demand and what does that mean for the 126 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:23,679 Speaker 2: global economy. 127 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: Well, if you look at what's going on here Stateside, 128 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: I think the clue may be the government forecast now 129 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,239 Speaker 1: for an increase in US oil production to an average 130 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: twelve point six million barrels a day this year. That 131 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: would be up from around eleven point nine million. So 132 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: anything that the US is adding to the market, I 133 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: think OPEC plus is trying to take away as a 134 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: way of ensuring that oil prices try to remain higher. 135 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: But against that, you've got concern about global growth weakening, 136 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: and maybe it's that that's going to continue to apply 137 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: downward pressure on the price of oil. 138 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I say, I wonder what it means 139 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: about demand. All right, it's time now for Global News. Well, 140 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: the top Chinese military official is calling for closer ties 141 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: with Russia and Harvard admissions policy under the gun once again. 142 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: For more on the news, Let's get to Denise Pellegrini 143 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: in the Bloomberg newsroom. 144 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: Denise, thanks, thank you. 145 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 7: Brian and minority groups are now calling on the US 146 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 7: government to investigate Harvard and its admissions policies. Bloomberg's Eric 147 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 7: Larsen calls it all. He says, they're accusing the university 148 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 7: of giving preferential treatment to children of Harvard alums and 149 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 7: to wealthy donors. 150 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 8: They say about seventy percent of the students who get 151 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 8: in through these legacy programs are white, and that because 152 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 8: university Harvard University receives federal funds, that this allegedly violates 153 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 8: Title six of the Civil Rights Acts of nineteen sixty 154 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 8: four by making it easier for white students to get 155 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 8: in through this process. 156 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 157 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 7: And Larson also calls this new complaint against Harvard fallout 158 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 7: from last week's Supreme Court ruling ending affirmative action. China 159 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 7: says wants more cooperation with Russia's military. China's Defense Minister 160 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 7: Lee Hung Fu, commenting in a meeting with the commander 161 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 7: in chief of Russia's navy, and this indicates Russia still 162 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 7: has Beijing's back, and Beijing still has Russia's back even 163 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 7: after the aborted Wagner mutiny. The US has been asking 164 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 7: Beijing meantime not to support Russia in the war against Ukraine, 165 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 7: and CIA director Bill Burns well, he's been warning continuously. 166 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 7: He's doing it again through the holiday weekend, warning about 167 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 7: the danger that China presents. 168 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 9: Russia's aggression poses a formidable test. But China is the 169 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 9: only country with both the intent to reshape the international 170 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 9: order and increasingly the economic, diplomatic, military, and technological power 171 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 9: to do so. 172 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 7: And Burns speaking there at a lecture in Oxfordshire, England. 173 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 7: Hong Kong police are putting one hundred thousand dollars bounties 174 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 7: on wanted democracy activists. They're offering rewards for information leading 175 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 7: to the arrest of eight people wanted under the Beijing 176 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 7: drafted National Security Law, including former lawmakers Nathan Law and 177 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 7: Dennis Quock and others. They're all currently living in self 178 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 7: imposed exile in the US, the UK, Canada, and Australia. 179 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 7: Hong Kong police are calling them all fugitives. Security is 180 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 7: Titan Manhattan as Cruz Gramble to set up for tomorrow 181 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 7: nights fireworks. New York City's acting Police Commissioner Edward Cobban, 182 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 7: less than a week into his new role, he'll be 183 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 7: leading his officers through the one of the busiest times 184 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 7: for the city. He says, there are a lot of 185 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 7: undercover officers trying to keep everyone safe. 186 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: They'll be much the public. We'll see how much the 187 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: public will not see. 188 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 7: And one thing you will see in addition to a 189 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 7: lot of police officers is a lot of street shutdowns 190 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 7: if you're driving around, So be prepared. And the rich 191 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 7: keep getting richer, and you can thank this year's stock 192 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 7: boom for that. Bloomberg Snathan Hager is more the. 193 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 10: Five hundred richest people on the Bloomberg Billionaire's Index added 194 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 10: eight hundred and fifty two billion dollars to their fortunes 195 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 10: in the first half. That's an average of fourteen million 196 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 10: dollars a day over the last six months, as the 197 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 10: S and P five hundred rows sixteen percent. It's the 198 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 10: best just half year for billionaires since the back half 199 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 10: of twenty twenty, that's when the economy bounced back from 200 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 10: the COVID induced slump. 201 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 7: Bloomberg Snathan Hager reporting there, and Global News twenty four 202 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 7: hours a day, powered by more than twenty seven hundred 203 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 7: journalists and analysts and more than one hundred and twenty 204 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 7: countries in New York. I'm Today's PELGRINNY, and this is Bloomberg, and. 205 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: I'm Brian Curtisy in Hong Kong, along with Rashad Salamat, 206 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 2: and our guest is Peter Halesworth, Founder and portfolio manager 207 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: of Hengren Partners. Peter, great to have you back on 208 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: the program. So a lot of the rally in the 209 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: US this year has been a kind of mean reversion trade, 210 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 2: a lot of money rushing into tech, which was hit 211 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: so hard last year. I'm wondering if you could see 212 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 2: China be the beneficiary of mean reversion in that sentiment 213 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: has not been good year to date, and whether or 214 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 2: not in the second half, it could be a time 215 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 2: for interest to increase in China. 216 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 11: Your thoughts, Yeah, thanks, Brian. I would say that there's 217 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 11: a likelihood, but it's going to take time for that 218 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 11: to occur. I think right now there's a crisis of 219 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 11: confidence towards investing in Chinese stocks due to unpredictable policy 220 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 11: and mixed messages coming from the government, and there really 221 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 11: needs to be a concerted and consistent initiative to restore 222 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 11: credibility with consistency before I think you can have a 223 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 11: serious case of FOMO take take effect in China. 224 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 12: Peter, could you argue now that, given what you said 225 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 12: about the fears that people have of investing in China, 226 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 12: that we have now a discount built into the stock 227 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 12: market there, and if so, how much is it and 228 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,359 Speaker 12: does that represent then you know, perhaps a buying opportunity 229 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 12: at certain points where people will other people will get 230 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 12: fomo as a consequence. 231 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 11: Oh, absolutely, Rich, I agree. We'd bowls on Chinese equities 232 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 11: for the long term, and we've written out many many 233 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 11: wobbles in confidence in the past and we've come out 234 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 11: and done well for our investors. I would say the 235 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 11: issue is that these discounts can remain in place and 236 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 11: deeply embedded for a long time. 237 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead to finish it off. 238 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 11: Ye, just as much as a bubble, you know, can 239 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 11: continue on beyond beyond rationality. I would say the inverse 240 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 11: that discounts can be deep, discounts can be embedded for 241 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 11: a long time. If investors all at once have the 242 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 11: same reason to lose confidence, turn their back and consider 243 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 11: a country or a market like China as a permanent underperformer. 244 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 11: Remember what happened in Japan for more than two decades. 245 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 11: It was an under forming components and a large component 246 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 11: of the EFA indexes and EFA managers could easily outperform 247 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 11: just by being underweight or zero in Japan. The same 248 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 11: could happen for China if they don't start to become 249 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 11: more consistent in their policy and really give up on 250 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 11: these mixed messages that they send to investors, not only 251 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 11: foreign but also domestic. 252 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 2: I wanted to drill down a little bit more on 253 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 2: why the loss of investor confidence, So we know that 254 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: part of it's because of regulatory decisions, and part of 255 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 2: it may be in terms of stimulus. As you look 256 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: at that pie, you know, where do you see the 257 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 2: biggest issues of hitting investor confidence? 258 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 11: Well, I think you have the overhang of the property 259 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 11: bubble burst. I think that is that's a problem that's 260 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 11: just not going to go away easily and simply without 261 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 11: some strong and concerted and overwhelming action from the government. 262 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 11: We have not seen that and Secondly, I can't recall 263 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 11: when this administration has done any meaningful or significant stimulus, right. 264 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 12: But I mean the thing is what type of stimulus 265 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 12: are be talking about here? And you know what's likely 266 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 12: to work? Because I mean the old playbook certainly is 267 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 12: not going to be fit for purpose, is it now? 268 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 8: No? 269 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 11: But I think there has to be a version of 270 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 11: putting money directly into consumers pockets. So I think we 271 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 11: need to, you know, see whether it be you know, 272 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 11: temporary tax cuts, whether it be you know, holidays on 273 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 11: property tax, whatever it takes to really stuff the pockets 274 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 11: of consumers with money and get them spent again, because 275 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 11: that really isn't happening at the pace everyone thought would happen. 276 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 11: And now we're in a position where, you know, we're 277 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 11: waiting for a stimulus and kind of come to the 278 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 11: rescue and the helicopters with the money aren't arriving. 279 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 2: And how much to the lack of confidence do you 280 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: attribute to weakness in US China relations? 281 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 11: A good amount because I think the Taiwan issue really 282 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 11: resurrects the fears that investors, especially global and emerging market 283 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 11: investors have about what happened with Russia post Ukraine. I 284 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 11: mean that is a sore that just hasn't healed. There 285 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 11: was permanent capital loss if you had exposure to Russia, 286 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 11: and if there is any kind of military conflict regarding Taiwan, 287 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 11: I think I think global and emerging market investors Brian 288 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 11: fear that they could also suffer a permanent capital loss 289 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 11: as a result of. 290 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: That final question, how much does the success of the 291 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,959 Speaker 2: US equity market, how much of a role does that 292 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 2: play in sucking money out of some Chinese investments? 293 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 11: Yourself included, well, we don't invest in the US. We 294 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 11: invest only in Chinese stocks, and we've done well by 295 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 11: being very situational and selective. 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