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Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, Emily Abodi here.

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Speaker 3: You are listening to episode two thirty six of Hurdle,

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Speaker 3: a Wileness focus podcast. Reconnect with everyone from your favorite

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Speaker 3: athletes to top experts and industry CEOs about their highest hies,

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Speaker 2: For today's episode.

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Speaker 3: I am elated to bring you my conversation with Brandon Collinsworth.

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Speaker 3: He is, oh my goodness, so many things at the

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Speaker 3: Make sure you're following along with Hurdle on social It's

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Speaker 3: over at Hurdle Podcast. I am over at Emily a

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Speaker 3: I am sitting down with Brendan Collinsworth. He is a

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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, somebody from Nike was in Las Vegas and

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Speaker 1: they asked who was doing innovative stuff in the human

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Speaker 1: performance space and fusing mindset into the workouts. So this

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00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 1: is how Penn all of sudden inserts and they came

444
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Speaker 1: did a workout and that was like my entrance into Nike.

445
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Speaker 1: And so it wasn't like I had exactly the right

446
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: direction with how everything was going to play out. I

447
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: just continue to trust the feeling, continue to trust the vision,

448
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 1: continue to trust this quote by Ember that says, there's

449
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Speaker 1: nothing capricious in nature. The implanting of a desire means

450
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Speaker 1: that its gratification is in the constitution of the creature

451
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Speaker 1: that feels knowing that, like, these visions that I've been

452
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: given are not there to tease me. I have to

453
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Speaker 1: trust them, and as long as I do the work

454
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Speaker 1: and show up with heart, They're going to show up somehow.

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Speaker 2: Some way, somehow, some way.

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Speaker 3: It's so funny because that story we were I mean,

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Speaker 3: Joe was on the show recently as well, and we

458
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Speaker 3: were talking about Joe Holder and how like he ended

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Speaker 3: up at Nike. It's always like someone just happens to

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Speaker 3: be around. It just happens to be someone like stumbles

461
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Speaker 3: upon you, and it's totally one of those stars align moments.

462
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Speaker 3: You never know who's listening, who's watching, who you're inspiring,

463
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Speaker 3: who you're impacting, And it doesn't matter if you know

464
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 3: you want to say like, well, no one quote unquote

465
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Speaker 3: follows me. It doesn't matter. You walk down the hallway,

466
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Speaker 3: you get in the elevator, and you have the opportunity

467
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Speaker 3: to impact absolutely anyone. So you have the choice then

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Speaker 3: on how you want to show up the minute that

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Speaker 3: you step out the door, or maybe you don't even

470
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Speaker 3: need to step out the door, right Like, how do

471
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 3: you want to show up? And it goes back to

472
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Speaker 3: what we were saying before about the concept of like

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Speaker 3: who do you want to be?

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Speaker 2: Who do you want to be? Start there and then

475
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Speaker 2: act accordingly.

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Speaker 4: That's a that's a bar right there.

477
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 3: It's a bar quote quote Bam, you start these four

478
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Speaker 3: gyms and ultimately someone from Nike finds you. How does

479
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Speaker 3: that mix things up for you once that happens.

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Speaker 1: So the gyms were an incredible journey. It started with one.

481
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 1: One grew to two, two, grew to us opening up

482
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Speaker 1: a wellness space at Zappo's headquarters in Las Vegas, and

483
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Speaker 1: it just continued to blossom. And I did a couple

484
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Speaker 1: of things. One vice is unchecked when success comes, will

485
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: only bring them right back to the surface. So there's

486
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Speaker 1: there's a a quote that one of my mentors told me.

487
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Speaker 1: He says, don't wait to be successful to act successful.

488
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Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, all the success started coming in,

489
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Speaker 1: and also it started to really show me where I

490
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,239
Speaker 1: still needed a lot of deep work. And what that

491
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: did is it opened up the doors for me to

492
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: really start to go deeper, which inevitably led me to yoga.

493
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Speaker 1: So twenty twelve to twenty sixteen, Gym's opened up. Twenty fifteen,

494
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Speaker 1: we win Business of the Year, Mind Body Bold Business

495
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: of the Year, twenty fourteen, signed a Nike. Everything is

496
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: like just blowing up. I'm traveling, I'm training. The life

497
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Speaker 1: that I once thought, the life that I once dreamed of,

498
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Speaker 1: is now in the palm of my hands, or I

499
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Speaker 1: thought that I wanted. And I realized sitting on the

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Speaker 1: balcony of my condo one day in twenty sixteen, that

501
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: I was still kind of empty inside, Like I spent

502
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Speaker 1: all these years focusing on building the dream, becoming like

503
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Speaker 1: this top trainer, working with like the top brands, traveling

504
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: the world, making money and all that, but I still

505
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: felt off. And that's what opened the doors up for

506
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Speaker 1: me to go to Bali and I stepped into a

507
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Speaker 1: yoga class. And once I stepped into that yoga class,

508
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: I actually the yoga teacher came up to me after

509
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: the class and said that I have no idea what's

510
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: going on on my inside, and that I need to

511
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: focus in and tune in, and that yoga could be

512
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Speaker 1: that pathway.

513
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Speaker 4: And so that was the.

514
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Speaker 1: Opening for me to step into the yoga space, which

515
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: inevitably led me to walking away from my gyms and

516
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: studying abroad and living abroad and traveling to go deeper

517
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: into that deep desire to find inner wealth rather than

518
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Speaker 1: outer wealth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's when you get to that moment when you

520
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 3: I have everything I want, but I still feel empty.

521
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Speaker 3: Can you describe what that realization felt like for you?

522
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Speaker 2: Was it scary?

523
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Speaker 1: It was not only scary, it was like it was

524
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Speaker 1: an existential crisis on.

525
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Speaker 4: The highest level. All those years.

526
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Speaker 1: I was told, like, you get this, you get that,

527
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Speaker 1: and then you're going to be happy. And those are

528
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: the road maps that all of my vision boards and

529
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: my dreams and even my visions led me to imagine

530
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Speaker 1: some kid from the streets now owns one of the

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Speaker 1: top gyms in Vegas. Now he's traveling the world. Now

532
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: all these things are in play, and I'm sitting on

533
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Speaker 1: my balcony and I'm just like, I don't feel any

534
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: different than when I was on the streets. That was

535
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: a really big aha moment for me that something wasn't right.

536
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: I remember, in fact, I had about two hundred pairs

537
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: of nikes at that time, when I used to not

538
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Speaker 1: even be able TOFD nikes.

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Speaker 4: And so.

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Speaker 1: That moment right there is scary because two things happen,

541
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Speaker 1: like Young Santiago and the Alchemists as he's working in

542
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Speaker 1: the crystal shop. You either go on the journey or

543
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Speaker 1: you don't. And so I took the leap. And in

544
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Speaker 1: taking the leap, I always say, if I would have

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Speaker 1: known it would have been as hard as it has been,

546
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Speaker 1: I would never have taken the leap. But I'm so

547
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Speaker 1: grateful that I took the leap because it was crazy

548
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: to walk away from societal validation towards something that people

549
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Speaker 1: had no idea about.

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Speaker 3: to it. I have to ask, because you said that

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Speaker 3: the vices can resurface, what were the vices that resurfaced

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Speaker 3: for you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so a lot of you know, growing up in poverty,

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Speaker 1: it's like post traumatic stress the streets. Although it wouldn't

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Speaker 1: never be claimed like that. When we have people who

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Speaker 1: are served in the military, there's a lot of resources,

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Speaker 1: but when you grow up in the streets, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of like, uh, yeah, they should have done better, they

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Speaker 1: should have known better. We're not given mental health tools,

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Speaker 1: we're not given resources. This is why a lot of

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Speaker 1: people slip into drugs and vices and women or whatever

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Speaker 1: that may be. And so me come in full circle

621
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Speaker 1: and then having money, I realized that there was still

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Speaker 1: deep levels of depression, there were deep levels of anxiety,

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Speaker 1: There were deep levels of me trying to fill wounds

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Speaker 1: through spending a lot of money and not having a

625
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Speaker 1: healthy relationship with money. There was all types of anxious

626
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Speaker 1: avoidant attachment styles. There was codependency, there was savior complexes.

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Speaker 1: There was all these things that started surfacing more and

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Speaker 1: more the more quote unquote societally validated.

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Speaker 4: I became.

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Speaker 1: Luckily I had and have the I've always had the

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Speaker 1: deep desire to excavate what doesn't feel right, and so

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Speaker 1: I always say, it's like it took eighteen years for

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Speaker 1: me to become like an overnight healed story, Like it

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00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: was a lot of excavation, and so all of that

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00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: stuff came up, and it came up full force, and

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00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: I had to really sit with it and deal with it.

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Speaker 1: And this is also one of the reasons why when

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Speaker 1: I sat on that balcony that day, I was like,

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00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 1: why do I feel so off? And so twenty sixteen

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Speaker 1: when I walked away, put everything in storage, moved to Bali, Indonesia,

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Speaker 1: and since then I've lived in Bali, Hawaii, Thai, lamp

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Speaker 1: At Eru, and you know, it been on the journey.

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Speaker 1: I would say that it took after that twenty sixteen

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Speaker 1: to probably twenty twenty one that I was able to

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Speaker 1: do enough deep introspection and work and have enough space

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Speaker 1: to actually like put those things to rest or either

647
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Speaker 1: transmute those things into personal power or as a means

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Speaker 1: to like really harness my purpose. So it's been a

649
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Speaker 1: lot of deep work. You know, they say that if

650
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Speaker 1: a flower is not blooming, you don't change the flower,

651
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: you change the environment. And so I was inevitably in

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Speaker 1: a space where I was not blooming anymore. So I

653
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Speaker 1: had to change the soil that I was in, and

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Speaker 1: that revolved me going on this journey to expand my

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Speaker 1: perspective beyond the Western mind and a lot of When

656
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Speaker 1: I took the leap, I was like, I'm going to

657
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Speaker 1: lose everything I did. I lost my gym, I got

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Speaker 1: sued for six hundred and fifty thousand dollars plus, and

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Speaker 1: I thought I was going to lose all my connects

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Speaker 1: with like you know, the Swoosh Nike, with all the

661
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Speaker 1: stuff that I built. And it was funny about a

662
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Speaker 1: year and a half later, I'm still in the space

663
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Speaker 1: with all of these you know, companies and a lot

664
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Speaker 1: of old clients. And what happened is they started becoming

665
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: really interested in like what I was doing overseas, and

666
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Speaker 1: so I put together some proposals and started to like

667
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Speaker 1: plan my attack on how I could actually start sharing

668
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Speaker 1: some of the wisdom from the East with the West.

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Speaker 1: And so twenty seventeen twenty eighteen is when we really

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Speaker 1: started to, like for me to bring yoga back into

671
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Speaker 1: the communities and into the brands that I was working

672
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Speaker 1: for working with before that, And all of a sudden,

673
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Speaker 1: all these doors opened up that were beyond my vision board.

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Speaker 1: It was like the vision board was like the first level,

675
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Speaker 1: and then there was beyond the vision board. And I

676
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: love to say, like, what if the limit to your

677
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: sky was just the beginning of your universe? So like

678
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Speaker 1: for me, what I my grandest imagination was actually just

679
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Speaker 1: the beginning for like what guy I have for me? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's been the last three to four years, is just

681
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Speaker 1: being in that space.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: I've lived abroad since twenty sixteen, and I've worked in

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Speaker 1: the West yea, And so I go to the east,

685
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: I go to the south. I haven't been up north yet,

686
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: but I want to go up this a little cold

687
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Speaker 1: up there. But and then I bring these insights and

688
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: teachings back to the West.

689
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Speaker 4: And what is interesting is people.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes ask me, like what's your motivation or like how

691
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Speaker 1: did you really like find your truth or your teachings. Honestly,

692
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: it's selfishly been a twenty plus. You're healing journey for me,

693
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: and all I'm doing is sharing what has worked for

694
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Speaker 1: me as I've healed myself from being a broken human

695
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Speaker 1: from the situation I grew up in to a more

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Speaker 1: whole human.

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Speaker 2: You're doing my job for me.

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Speaker 3: People sometimes ask me, I'm like, okay, please keep going.

699
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 3: What else do they ask you? What would you say

700
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Speaker 3: that your purpose is love?

701
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Speaker 2: Just love?

702
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Speaker 4: Love? Love is my mission?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I was in Brazil and shout out to my former

705
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Speaker 1: partner Alex soul Sister incredible Yogi.

706
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 4: She broke up with me.

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Speaker 1: And we were talking and this was this was like

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Speaker 1: about a year endo my yoga journey, and she was

709
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Speaker 1: she was saying like, you're always on your mission, but

710
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Speaker 1: nobody knows what your mission is and you never have

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Speaker 1: time for love. And so it put me in this

712
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: introspective state and I was just like, all right, Well,

713
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Speaker 1: what what really matters at the end of the day,

714
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Speaker 1: what do we all want? Like, wherever you go in

715
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: the world doesn't matter where you go. What is it

716
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: we all want? It doesn't matter what class you come from,

717
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how much money you got in your bank account.

718
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Speaker 1: And the truth is love, love it, Love is it.

719
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Speaker 1: And I was told that if your mission is not

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Speaker 1: so big that you'll probably never achieve it, it's not

721
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Speaker 1: big enough. And so when I declare love is my mission,

722
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Speaker 1: it was like the universe was like, oh, oh, this

723
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Speaker 1: is your mission. Through everything at me to be like,

724
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Speaker 1: maybe I should not have that as my mission, but

725
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Speaker 1: that's that's truly my purpose. That's truly my mission is

726
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 1: to understand love, love for myself, love for other people,

727
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Speaker 1: love for this planet, and love. It just says anchoring

728
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Speaker 1: energy that moves this world, you know, Muhammad A. Lisa's

729
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: service to others is the rent we pay for our

730
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Speaker 1: time here on earth. May Angelo says, people are going

731
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Speaker 1: to forget what we said, people are going to forget

732
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Speaker 1: what we did, but they'll never forget how we made

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Speaker 1: them feel. The general thread I feel that legacies are

734
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Speaker 1: made from that. Truly, last is love. That's the ripple

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Speaker 1: and that I want to be a part of. And

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Speaker 1: if I can just play once small piece in that,

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Speaker 1: that's that's enough for me.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned that when you made the pivot into doing

739
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Speaker 3: more yoga and incorporating yoga into your practice and bringing

740
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Speaker 3: these teachings from West to East, that a lot of

741
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Speaker 3: doors opened for you, including a pivot or a shift

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Speaker 3: perhaps in the work that you had been doing at

743
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Speaker 3: the time with Nike. How does it feel for you

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Speaker 3: to be a person of color in a space that

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Speaker 3: conventionally may not be doused with a lot of color.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question.

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Speaker 1: So in the West it's not as ethnically diverse.

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Speaker 4: You go to the East.

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Speaker 1: You know, my time in India, it's all color out there, right.

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Speaker 1: But when I talk about or when we speak of

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Speaker 1: like the shoulders of the giants that were standing on

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Speaker 1: from an ancestry stamp, I feel that it is my responsibility

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Speaker 1: and duty with the opportunity that I have as a

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Speaker 1: black man in two thousand and two, to be able

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Speaker 1: to travel the world the way I travel, I take

756
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Speaker 1: it very seriously and I move with an urgency because

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Speaker 1: not only am I so fortunate and blessed to be

758
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Speaker 1: able to travel and to go to Peru and Bali

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Speaker 1: in India, but we're also reclaiming so many lost teachings

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Speaker 1: that we've lost just from years of fear and division,

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Speaker 1: and you know, people not being in a line with love,

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Speaker 1: and so there's a deep responsibility that I feel I have,

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Speaker 1: and I.

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Speaker 4: Just want to share the.

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Speaker 1: Tools with as many people as possible. One of the

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Speaker 1: books that just inspire me so much I've read it

767
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: for the second time is The Narrative of a Slave

768
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: by Frederick Douglas, and he talks about the fact that,

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Speaker 1: like once upon a time, it was illegal to even

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Speaker 1: teach slaves to read, and the fact that you know,

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Speaker 1: we have access to the world's information now and all

772
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: the mystery schools are unlocked, and literally the click of

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Speaker 1: a button, we can tap into any type of esoteric teaching,

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Speaker 1: from yoga to tai chi to martial arts. It would

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Speaker 1: be a disservice to not to take full advantage of it.

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Speaker 1: My grandma, and it's a whole different story, but I

777
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Speaker 1: met my father for the first time when I was

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Speaker 1: twenty seven years old, and meeting him and then meeting

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Speaker 1: my grandma. My grandma was actually one of the first

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Speaker 1: black nurses in Vegas, and she used to have to

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Speaker 1: go through the colored entrance at the hospital.

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Speaker 4: And so.

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Speaker 1: Even sitting here having this conversation with you, coming in

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Speaker 1: from Costa Rica, I'm very well, honor, and know that

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Speaker 1: I'm so blessed to be able to do that, and

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Speaker 1: I take this opportunity very serious.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I also think that this resonates with the concept that

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Speaker 3: in order oftentimes on the show, I'm speaking with women,

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00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 3: but I do dabble with a male guest from time

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Speaker 3: to time, and you know, we say often like, in

792
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 3: order to be her, you need to see her. And

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Speaker 3: so for you to be in this place for other

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Speaker 3: individuals of color who may not have felt represented in

795
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Speaker 3: their practice previously, to be able to look to you

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Speaker 3: and learn from you is also a beautiful opportunity. So

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Speaker 3: as much as you are grateful for this opportunity, there

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Speaker 3: are without a doubt people that are grateful for you,

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Speaker 3: which is just a really awesome thing.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, of course.

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Speaker 3: And so this all comes back now, as I said

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Speaker 3: at the top, to this latest venture that you have

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Speaker 3: with Core Power Yoga.

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Speaker 2: How did that come to be?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to Core Power Yoga. Such an amazing

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Speaker 1: innovative company. And it's been just an honor to align

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Speaker 1: with a brand that truly is galvanizing love through movement

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00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: but through their philosophy. And so two last year, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two, I got a message in the default inbox

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Speaker 1: on Instagram, like the one that you almost never see,

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Speaker 1: the one.

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Speaker 2: That you forget exactly yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.

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Speaker 4: And it was Sarah Choi.

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Speaker 1: She's a CMO slash COO over at Core Power Yoga,

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Speaker 1: and she was like, Hey, what are your thoughts about

816
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Speaker 1: doing a keynote on love for our company? All hands

817
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Speaker 1: and we started some conversations and then the doors opened

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Speaker 1: up and I was given the opportunity to do a

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Speaker 1: keynote on love, which almost didn't happen because it was

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Speaker 1: a week after mother Past. But one of the things

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Speaker 1: that I wanted to do last year, and this is

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Speaker 1: why I entered the God Pocket quote unquote, was I

823
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Speaker 1: wanted to honor her, and so I went ahead and

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Speaker 1: I did this keynote, and the keynote opened up some

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Speaker 1: doors for me to come out to Denver. And then

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Speaker 1: when I was in Denver, they started, you know, they

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Speaker 1: brought me into their new class format. And being that

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Speaker 1: I've been in the sports performance space but also you know,

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Speaker 1: a thousand hours of yoga and been deep into yoga

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Speaker 1: space for a long time, I was able to like

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Speaker 1: offer a unique perspective that really like gelled with the

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Speaker 1: current creation that they were creating, and so it went

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Speaker 1: from literally an Instagram DM to like me collaborating in

834
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Speaker 1: a really deep way in the last four months really

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Speaker 1: helping Core Power Yoga create Core Power Strength X as

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Speaker 1: their first new class offering in ten years as a

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Speaker 1: way to help people truly strengthen their mind, body, spirit

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Speaker 1: and to like further push their mission forward, which is

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Speaker 1: to empower love from the inside out. And so it's

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Speaker 1: been incredible to just dive back into the corporate space

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Speaker 1: in a way that is heart open and in a

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Speaker 1: way that infuses all the things I love, which is mindset, strength, breadth, intention,

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Speaker 1: And it's felt like just a beautiful, beautiful relationship that

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Speaker 1: we've been able to like cultivate over the last you know,

845
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Speaker 1: six months now, but four months in deep project mode

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Speaker 1: and to be able to, like now in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: offer this new class format to the world as a

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Speaker 1: mechanism for people to really like build strength on the mat,

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Speaker 1: but also build strength off the mat, to like be

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Speaker 1: stronger in their lives, to be stronger in their relationships,

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Speaker 1: to be stronger in their why and their purpose.

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Speaker 4: I'm all about it. It's just it gets me so excited.

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Speaker 2: How do you get stronger in your purpose?

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Speaker 1: It's a great question. So I'm going to give you

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Speaker 1: a couple answers. Oh, I love, I love multiple plas struggle.

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Speaker 1: The struggle makes us, makes us stronger. I always ask

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Speaker 1: my clients, can you love yourself enough to struggle a

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Speaker 1: lot of times we want to bypass the struggle because

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Speaker 1: it doesn't feel good. Self love asks us to give

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Speaker 1: ourselves what we need, not always what we want. What

861
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: we want feels good. I was just at a cafe

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Speaker 1: down the way and I wanted this donut so bad.

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Speaker 1: It felt good, but it wasn't what I needed. Now,

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Speaker 1: the struggle was real, and I had a If you

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Speaker 1: look on my Instagram, there's some donuts right now.

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Speaker 4: I just took a picture.

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Speaker 1: So allowing ourselves, loving ourselves enough to struggle, what a

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Speaker 1: beautiful metaphor. Like in the gym on the map, there's

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Speaker 1: going to be it's where we struggle, where you're met

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00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: with that metaphorical resistance point. And the longer we can

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Speaker 1: stay at what my mentor, doctor Guadanoli says is the

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00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: edge of stretch, the more potential is activated. So just

873
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: to break it down for you, there's this thing called

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00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: challenge points theory, and doctor Gudanoli says that you have

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00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: the comfort zone, you have the panic zone, and you

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00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: have the stretch zone. You go too deep in the

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Speaker 1: panic zone, it's all bad. Stay in the comfort zone,

878
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: nothing changes. But the closer you can get to the

879
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: edge of stretch, that's the line that divides the panic

880
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: zone and the stretch zone. That's the magic spot across

881
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: the board. And so for people who are really trying

882
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: to like build strength, giving themselves that opportunity to struggle.

883
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: The other thing, and I'll pull this from just my

884
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: time at PEN, what they have found is the more

885
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 1: we focus on our strengths, the less our weaknesses become apparent.

886
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 4: And this is like.

887
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: Pretty revolutionary in schooling and in teaching and education, and

888
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: even in corporate culture. A lot of times we want

889
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: to focus on what's wrong with us instead of what's

890
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: right with us. And so for like as a foundation,

891
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: allowing oneself to struggle, but then also getting really clear

892
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: on what one's strengths are and leaning into those, allowing

893
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: those strengths to become stronger, inevitably are going to start

894
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: to offset those preconceived weaknesses. Or possible actual weaknesses. And

895
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: then thirdly, I think that the most important thing to

896
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: really build potent strong strength is to have a team

897
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: around you. When we look at the greatest achievers of

898
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: our time, they never did it alone. You look at

899
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: Lebron James, he has an entire team. You look at

900
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali, an entire team, Serena Williams an entire team.

901
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: We get to build a team around of objective, heart

902
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: centric individuals that are all rooting for us to be

903
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: our best. And what is team look like. Maybe it's

904
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: just some really good friends, or maybe it's a therapist,

905
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: a life coach, a nutritionist, a trainer. It's really about

906
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: asking yourself what do you need to amplify your strengthen

907
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: your potential to the highest level possible. And it also

908
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: in the same vein of like building our team, it's

909
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: also about also cutting the players that no longer serve us.

910
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: See you Yeah, And I put people in three categories, noses, anchors,

911
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: and lifelines. Noises are people that energetically strangle you out.

912
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: Anchors are people that weigh you down, and lifelines are

913
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: people that build you up.

914
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 4: And in a time and.

915
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: Place where we don't have a lot of time, and

916
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: our potential is asking us to truly step into it.

917
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: Lifelines are only.

918
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 3: This is like a full circle moment from the beginning

919
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 3: of our chat when we were kind of insinuating or

920
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 3: talking about how you get away from the anchors, right,

921
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 3: Because sometimes it can feel as though we have such

922
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 3: a strong tie or devotion maybe to individuals who don't

923
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 3: serve us or don't act as a lifeline when we

924
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 3: need them the most, right, And that can truly be

925
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 3: a challenging thing to do.

926
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, to step away, it can be really really hard.

927
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

928
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 1: And I think the key, the cornerstone, the master key

929
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: of it all, is self worth. When we really start

930
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: to see ourselves as worth something, and we start to

931
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: treat ourselves as valuable, we start to really advocate for ourselves.

932
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: We start to stop the things that are holding us back,

933
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: We start to cut out the people that no longer

934
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: serve us, We start to open up the doors that

935
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: inevitably strengthen our being. And that's where it really begins

936
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: to get magical, because the truth is, we've all been

937
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: gifted these one of the kind expressions that we are

938
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: and I think the goal of us being here is

939
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: to like fall in love with what it is we are,

940
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: and the sooner we fall in love with what it

941
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: is we are, we can really get on to like

942
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: celebrating this this crazy I call it likeful wasca, I said, ayahuasca,

943
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: the psychedelic experience of love that we've been gifted.

944
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 3: It's also when you fall in love who it is

945
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 3: that you are, and you celebrate who you are, you

946
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 3: become better advocating for yourself like you said, and also

947
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 3: exercising your boundaries, like it doesn't become such a maybe

948
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 3: internal battle or struggle to ask yourself if you should

949
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 3: stay true to what it is that you want. Maybe

950
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 3: when you're in a situation that's beckoning for you to flex.

951
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 3: It could be as simple as maybe I don't know,

952
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 3: being out on a date and one person. Maybe your

953
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 3: date wants you to stay for longer, but you know

954
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 3: you have a commitment in the morning.

955
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: Well, when you honor.

956
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 3: What it is that you want and who it is

957
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 3: that you are, you don't feel so maybe guilty or

958
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 3: have hazard about like no, I'm out yeah, and you

959
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 3: understand that the people that are for you will support

960
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 3: you and the things that support you being the best

961
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 3: version of yourself. But again it takes kind of reps

962
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 3: to get to that place. It's like, how does how

963
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 3: does the muscle strengthen? Like you give it something to

964
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 3: push up against? Like how does our will strengthen? You

965
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 3: give it something to push up against? Yeah, And so

966
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 3: to get to that place where you feel comfortable, more

967
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 3: comfortable than perhaps previously exercising your boundaries, that is also

968
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 3: you getting one step closer to being in this place

969
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 3: that we're talking about being life celebration right.

970
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 4: Absolutely for sure.

971
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: And this is why like movement is so powerful because

972
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: beyond the body, like if we even talk about it

973
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: from like a yoga standpoint, they actually say, we have

974
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: five bodies. You have the physical body, the mental body,

975
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: the energetic body, the wisdom body, and the bliss body.

976
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: And the physical body is the access point through the

977
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: soma into the rest of those bodies. And it's like

978
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: the struggle that we can create through a curated environment

979
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: like a workout class, like going on a run, like

980
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 1: martial arts, these all build the strength and fortitudes who

981
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: inevitably begin to stand stronger in our boundaries where we

982
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: then say, or there's a quote by my brother Mark Groves.

983
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: He says walls keep people out, but boundaries show people

984
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 1: where the door is. And also that nobody that truly

985
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: loves you will ever get mad at you for loving yourself.

986
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: And so this is the work. And then yoga. My

987
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: master teacher, Sri dar Bameitro would say, do the sodna

988
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: unlock the cities. So the sodna is intentional practice, and

989
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 1: the cities are the gift when we show up and.

990
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 4: Do the work.

991
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 1: The work works, but you got to do the work,

992
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 1: and inevitably it up levels our ability to create environments

993
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: for ourselves that are truly harmonious rather than something that

994
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: is going to continue to loop us into, like lower

995
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: levels of our expression.

996
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 3: When you look in the mirror, what do you see

997
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 3: looking back at you?

998
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 4: Love period? Yeah?

999
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I could say like milk chocolate brother

1000
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: that some swagger.

1001
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 4: But.

1002
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 3: Man, I mean when I look in the mirror, I

1003
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 3: see all that I've become, but I also see my

1004
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 3: younger self.

1005
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 2: Yeah that is one hundred percent.

1006
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 3: When I see what I look in the mirror, I

1007
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 3: see how far I've come by looking at her, and

1008
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:51,439
Speaker 3: also my potential on the other side of that. And

1009
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 3: it's interesting to hear that what excites you, what your

1010
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 3: purpose is, what you see all three of those to

1011
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 3: be the same, with the emphasis that you understand there's

1012
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 3: still more to embody under that category, right, because to

1013
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 3: some they may hear that and think like, well, if

1014
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 3: you're already here, what happens next?

1015
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 2: So what happens next?

1016
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: It's a process of blossoming and of becoming. Yeah, and

1017
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: I spoke about this recently that the orange or the orange,

1018
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: the full expression of the orange tree, doesn't look at

1019
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: the seed as inferior. It knows that the entire process

1020
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: from seed to orange was necessary. And I feel like

1021
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: we are all in a process of blossoming and of becoming.

1022
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: So there's no destination. And that was the existential crisis

1023
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: I had when I was sitting in my condo in Vegas.

1024
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: Was I had a destination. I thought when I got

1025
00:56:56,239 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: XYZ and was this level of body fat and this

1026
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: level of success, I was going to be happy. And

1027
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: I missed out on so many of the beautiful moments

1028
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: on the way to that journey. I got to that

1029
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: space and I wasn't even fulfilled. And so it's an expanding,

1030
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: it's a it's an evolution, it's a blossoming of.

1031
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 4: Where we are.

1032
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: Over time, that continues to blossom and continues to show

1033
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: us new shades of who it is we are. I

1034
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: think it's important to have a mission. I think a

1035
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: mission directs us. It brings our focus towards things that

1036
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: are in alignment with that mission. So whatever a person's

1037
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: mission is, like, have a mission, mission and intention is

1038
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 1: the same thing. But when we're moving intentionally, it attunes

1039
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: us in a way that is much more aligned than

1040
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: when we don't have that. And I feel like I've

1041
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: arrived to today and tomorrow I'm going to be a

1042
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: different person. Try I'll arrive into that moment, and this

1043
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: adventure that we are on called life is going to

1044
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: continue to expand and show me different facets of that mission.

1045
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: One thing that's crazy about love being my mission is

1046
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: and what I've learned is in order to understand love,

1047
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: I also have to understand what is not love. And

1048
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: the universe has been dealing that up on a silver

1049
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: platter to me for the last three to four years,

1050
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: full force.

1051
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 4: And so.

1052
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: I guess the warning label of like going after your

1053
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: mission is like once you declare your mission, the entire

1054
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: universe will conspire to help that mission come to life,

1055
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, quoting Paolo Goyelo, And that means sometimes it'll

1056
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: be challenges. I mean sometimes it'll be breakdowns. That means

1057
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: they'll sometimes be struggles. But when we can look at

1058
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: all of those and say thank you, that's when life,

1059
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: I believe, really gets magical.

1060
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 3: I could ask you what excites you right now, but

1061
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 3: I feel like you're just going to say love, fatherhood.

1062
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 2: Okay, talk to me about.

1063
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: Fatherhood another aspect of love. Yeah. So my mother passing

1064
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: away was an initiation. She was one of my best friends.

1065
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: It was the first person really really close to me

1066
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: that passed away. It was one of the most beautiful

1067
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: experiences of my life, and it taught me so much.

1068
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: It was like, oh, this is one of life's master

1069
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: classes that you cannot sign up for. There's no degree

1070
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: that comes from this, but this was so potent. I

1071
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: feel like death and birth are two of life's most

1072
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: potent teachers. And so a lot of people have asked

1073
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: me as of late, what am I most excited about,

1074
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: And what I'm most excited about is the journey in

1075
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: the fatherhood and the journey into like taking all my

1076
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: teachings and officially like bestowing them onto the next generation.

1077
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: They say that it takes three generations to break out

1078
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: of poverty. In the poverty mindset, my mother was the

1079
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: first generation. I'm the second, so to officially break the

1080
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: cycle of poverty in my family chain is everything to me.

1081
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really special. How does that idea make you feel?

1082
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: Oh, it's incredible, It's incredible. But I do still have

1083
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: some homies back in the streets that I'm gonna when

1084
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: I do have children, they're gonna go like visit them

1085
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: for a weekend, so they like make sure they have

1086
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of street swag and they're not completely like.

1087
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm so happy that we were able to

1088
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 2: make this happen.

1089
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 3: Yes, when you have an opportunity right now, knowing what

1090
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 3: you know at this point, to offer yourself a piece

1091
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 3: of advice. Let's go back when you thought you had

1092
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 3: everything that you could ever want.

1093
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 2: You thought that you were.

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Speaker 3: At the place that was supposed to be what success

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Speaker 3: felt like and looked like, and you realize that you

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Speaker 3: were coming up empty. You have an opportunity to tell

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Speaker 3: him something right now during that Hurtle moment. What do

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Speaker 3: you tell him?

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Speaker 1: I say, Brandon, you're beautiful, and you get to love

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Speaker 1: yourself now as you are. You don't need to become

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Speaker 1: anything else. You don't need to change a thing about you.

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Speaker 1: You're perfect the way you are, imperfectly beautiful, and trust

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Speaker 1: that everything will work out. And if I could like

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Speaker 1: the anxiety, the challenges, the levels of like not feeling

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Speaker 1: worthy for so long took a toll, and so like

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Speaker 1: where I am now sitting in a place of really

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Speaker 1: deep self appreciation and worth, I feel that.

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Speaker 4: That's the advice I would give that.

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Speaker 3: Dude, How do the hurdlers follow along with you? How

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Speaker 3: do they keep up with you? Give us the deats?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, first and foremost for anybody who's trying to

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Speaker 1: take the new Core Power Strength X class. Officially it

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Speaker 1: is out nationwide and it is forty five minutes of

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Speaker 1: heart thumping, exhilarating, mindful movement and strength that can be

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Speaker 1: access to your local Core Power yoga. So highly recommend

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Speaker 1: you all try out this new class. Let me know

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Speaker 1: what you think. I'm super super active on Instagram. That's

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Speaker 1: my living journal. I would say. People think I'm putting

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Speaker 1: quotes up to them. It's usually me teaching myself. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: ipen myself up and also I am one of the

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Speaker 1: founding experts of an app called mind it is. It's

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Speaker 1: the first ever emotion social network that focuses on emotional pathos.

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Speaker 1: And this is for those that are really trying to

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Speaker 1: dive deeper. I have one hundred and eighty plus lectures

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Speaker 1: and I do two live classes every week. And then

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Speaker 1: for those that are looking to dive deeper into the

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Speaker 1: space of service and humanitarian work. Each year I host

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Speaker 1: it a curated right of passage from the jungles of

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Speaker 1: the Amazon to the Andes that takes leaders deep into service,

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Speaker 1: deep into connection, deep into the magic of Pachi Mama.

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Speaker 4: And also.

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Speaker 2: There you can find him nowhere.

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Speaker 1: And also lastly, yeah, my classes have been up on

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Speaker 1: the Nike NTC app for quite some time, so if

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Speaker 1: you want to also do some yoga classes with me there,

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Speaker 1: feel free to drop in. More importantly than that, each

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Speaker 1: one of you all matter. Remember that each one of

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Speaker 1: you all make this world a better place, and continue

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Speaker 1: to be the change. Continue to shine your light, continue

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Speaker 1: to share your truth, and continue to remember that you

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Speaker 1: are a gift to this world. So trust it, tune

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Speaker 1: in and trust that you're here for a reason. Trust

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Speaker 1: your purpose, trust your why, and most importantly, trust your heart.

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Speaker 2: Tune in.

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Speaker 3: Does this mean you're also on Netflix now?

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Speaker 4: See?

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Speaker 3: So you can find him around every corner in every place.

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited. I also just a side note before

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Speaker 3: I just wrap this up. I whenever I travel without

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Speaker 3: a doubt, if I'm going to go work out, it's

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Speaker 3: out of core power because I know it's going to

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Speaker 3: be good.

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Speaker 2: I feel like you.

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Speaker 3: Don't know much like when you're in different cities, but

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Speaker 3: when you're in a different city and you're like looking

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Speaker 3: for a good workout, you can guarantee that if there's

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Speaker 3: a core power, like you know exactly what you're going

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Speaker 3: to get and it's going to be great.

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Speaker 1: That's I mean, it's the biggest yoga brand right in

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Speaker 1: the game, and it's you know exactly what you're going

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Speaker 1: to get from restorative all the way up to now

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Speaker 1: core power, strength, EGS. So like the whole buffet, a

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Speaker 1: lot of options, options? Are there a lot of options? All?

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Speaker 3: Right? Well, you know the drill. I'm over at Emily

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Speaker 3: Body at Hurdle Podcast. Another Hurdle Conquered. Catch you guys

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Speaker 3: next time.