Speaker 1: In today's episode of The Command Center Podcast, we're talking
Speaker 1: best Washington QB's. We got Sammy Boss, Sonny Jergensen, Joe Thaisman,
Speaker 1: Doug Williams. Who's the best of all time? We talk
Speaker 1: about that in great lengths. We'll make you check it out.
Speaker 1: And who's the best quarterback that we ever played with?
Speaker 1: Tanna played with fourteen different quarterbacks. Man, it's got a
Speaker 1: lot of guys to pick from. Who is the most
Speaker 1: underrated quarterback in Washington football history of the guys that
Speaker 1: we played with? Our answers might surprise you. And we
Speaker 1: talked early impressions of Jade Daniels. It all starts right now.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Command Center Podcast. I'm Logan Paul, sit
Speaker 1: here with Fred's Foot and Santana Moss. Guys, so fun
Speaker 1: to be here with you today. We have our live
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Speaker 1: The draft, the FIRELM went off.
Speaker 3: The firelan went off, the roof was on fire. Nobody live.
Speaker 3: It was crunk out there. It's a huge place. The
Speaker 3: food was great.
Speaker 1: Is it like a bar, It's a bar.
Speaker 3: No, it's it's it's more than a bar. I'm telling it.
Speaker 3: It's the body being. Franklin himself probably parted it in
Speaker 3: the same team.
Speaker 2: I love telling you. It's worth to visit my friend.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. In addition to the live event, we
Speaker 1: also have a really cool new podcast coming out called
Speaker 1: Hail Tails, and it is a kind of recap of
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl season that team Jason to Guy. Jason
Speaker 1: produced it. I got to listen to it early. Very good, Jason,
Speaker 1: nice done.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I produce an editor, but Hannah Lichenstein didn't.
Speaker 2: Most she did like the word she interviewed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the first episode is all about the lead up
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl twenty two with Doug Williams in nineteen
Speaker 4: eighty seven, and uh man, Hannah put in some work.
Speaker 4: She got interviews with Joe Gibbs, she got Doug, she
Speaker 4: got Doug's brother Ricky. Yes, she got Charles man Dexter Manley,
Speaker 4: and Doug had a emergency dental operation.
Speaker 1: She got the dentists day before the super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Yeah, day before she got the dentist to talk about it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: found the found all these people, they all agreed to
Speaker 4: do it. So think of like a documentary but podcast.
Speaker 1: It's kind of it's kind of like a football life ish,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But about that specific and this.
Speaker 4: Is just the first episode. Got six of them really
Speaker 4: come out this summer.
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you're a Commander's fan again, I got
Speaker 1: to get a sneak peak of it. It's it's good
Speaker 1: stuff and you know, gives a lot of context for
Speaker 1: the organization that year specifically, and uh show how special
Speaker 1: some of those people on that team were.
Speaker 2: And dead message was brought to you by just a guy,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Just a guy Jason, who you guys get to see
Speaker 1: at the live event, you'll see him in person, just
Speaker 1: the guy.
Speaker 2: He looks like just a guy like he looks you.
Speaker 5: Told him he looked like he's just a jag.
Speaker 2: No, his hair looks at let's get that correct.
Speaker 1: Got enviable hair for sure.
Speaker 3: But he doesn't like thor after he failed to stop thanos.
Speaker 1: My guy, you me saying that about it?
Speaker 4: Representation matters and I felt seen.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so we got a kind of a
Speaker 1: cool show today. Something. I'm excited to see your guys
Speaker 1: perspective because I'm a young fella, way younger than you guys,
Speaker 1: even though I look older than Yeah. But we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk Washington quarterbacks. We're going to kind of tear this
Speaker 1: out into three sections. We're going to start with who
Speaker 1: is the best quarterback in Wash in football history? And
Speaker 1: I'm really curious to see who you guys are gonna
Speaker 1: say for this. You want to see what it was
Speaker 1: to start.
Speaker 2: All right, Let's start here. Let's start here.
Speaker 3: You can say who the best, but every generation is
Speaker 3: going to have their own favorites, and they and people
Speaker 3: they say the best.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I look at this list we got
Speaker 1: a list of guys. We got Sammy Ball, Sonny Jergensen,
Speaker 1: Joe Thighsmen, Doug Williams, Mark Rippon, Billy Kilmer, Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 1: and Robert Griffin. The thirds on here we got. Also,
Speaker 1: we got Jason Campbell and Mark Brunel.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I look at this list and one name stands out
Speaker 1: above all the other names. And maybe it's because, like
Speaker 1: I'm a history person, But Sammy Ball was mister football.
Speaker 1: He rushed, he played defense, he played back in the day.
Speaker 2: Interceptions didn't me this one?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really wanted to get there. Thank you for
Speaker 1: that excellently. He played quarterback and had more interceptions in front,
Speaker 1: So like, what kind of football player?
Speaker 3: But he had more interceptions than this guy had receptions.
Speaker 1: How I'm saying, is that true? Yeah? Thirty seven one year,
Speaker 1: but it's close.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fact check me, please, because I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: keep shocking myself. I don't keep shocking that like that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so to me, I look at Sammy Vaughan,
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's got to be him.
Speaker 3: It's you know what I say that, Like, if you
Speaker 3: talk to the the brain trust of the Washington D,
Speaker 3: the D and V. A lot of people forget about
Speaker 3: Sammy Ma because we're talking about not even flow model
Speaker 3: TV's were talking about a time of black and white TV.
Speaker 1: Is it twenty seven? Jason thirty seven?
Speaker 4: Yeah, in twenty thirteen, hell of a year for you,
Speaker 4: twenty eight recent twenty eight career high.
Speaker 1: Not thirty seven, but yeah, it's good though, video.
Speaker 4: Not your career hiding yard yards though? Can you touchdowns?
Speaker 2: But it's seventy more kitches than the dead? Come on, man,
Speaker 2: you can.
Speaker 1: Say that about anybody. You had twenty more more interceptions
Speaker 1: than a day man like, come on?
Speaker 2: Nah.
Speaker 5: To Fred's point though, getting back to the you know,
Speaker 5: to the quarterbacks, who we think that's the best. I
Speaker 5: think when you look at numbers, it jumps out to
Speaker 5: you that you say, okay, you can say these three names, Uh, Sonny,
Speaker 5: Thiseman and Dug.
Speaker 6: People look at not not even numbers.
Speaker 5: But when you hear the stories about quarterbacks here because
Speaker 5: they were there, Yeah it was Sonny that they talk about.
Speaker 5: It's thise mean that you hear always du you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. But then when you look at the numbers,
Speaker 5: then you say, with damn, why don't talk more about
Speaker 5: Sammy Bob, you know what I mean, because he played
Speaker 5: too early his numbers and then we just wasn't thinking
Speaker 5: about that kind of football back and they played without
Speaker 5: you know what I.
Speaker 1: Mean, dude, one hundred and eighty seven touchdowns, like throwing
Speaker 1: rush for like he played defense, he played offense, he punted,
Speaker 1: he returned like he was just like a guy, like
Speaker 1: like the dude he was.
Speaker 5: He was the I guess then pitting me up what
Speaker 5: they did back in those days, playing.
Speaker 2: Before his time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they smoked square that halftime. They went out there,
Speaker 5: they played, they ran kicks back as a quarterback, they
Speaker 5: played dB as a quarter had a real job and
Speaker 5: they had they worked at a fact they left there.
Speaker 5: That was the iron man type of type of football
Speaker 5: player back in those days.
Speaker 1: And also have you seen him give an interview by
Speaker 1: the way, like like some of the old interviews on
Speaker 1: the file, have you heard No.
Speaker 2: He's wild, Yeah he is wild, idiot.
Speaker 1: He's like he's given an interview for NFL now just
Speaker 1: a couple years ago. He's got a big old dip in, yeah, spitting,
Speaker 1: he's on his front porch. The dog starts sparking. He
Speaker 1: just smacks the hell out of the dog, like he
Speaker 1: was a different kind of dude.
Speaker 2: He was to do.
Speaker 3: I have to say this because watching from the South
Speaker 3: and understanding that the Cowboys and the Washington team the rivalry,
Speaker 3: I thought you couldn't play for this team unless your
Speaker 3: name was Joe. Like everybody that was named Joe that
Speaker 3: had something to do with it. And you know, Joe
Speaker 3: has one of those games, one of those football names.
Speaker 2: Joe Thie mean.
Speaker 1: Like I'm shotting football face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just sticks.
Speaker 3: Like so when I think a quarterback to me personally,
Speaker 3: now I know everybody, like I say, everybody got that guy,
Speaker 3: My guys, Joe thighs, me, my guy, Joe Thighs. Not
Speaker 3: only because he was a great quarterback, he also ran
Speaker 3: back punts And it's that big what if stigma? What
Speaker 3: if he doesn't get hit by Lawrence Taylor at that
Speaker 3: yard line and get he brings all of these records.
Speaker 2: Look at his numbers.
Speaker 1: Also, yeah, just just see, like can you look up.
Speaker 1: He had a couple of years where he was just
Speaker 1: like the dude in the NFL No like thirty touchdowns,
Speaker 1: He's like thirty five hundred yards passing like he was
Speaker 1: crushing it. And again I.
Speaker 5: Thought, so no, because I want he's he's doing his
Speaker 5: research thing. Look up his real pronunciation of his last name.
Speaker 5: He shared that with us. His last name isn't pronounced
Speaker 5: than it was thievesman, and he said.
Speaker 6: They gave it because he just ran because.
Speaker 2: It looks like the word heisman.
Speaker 3: This is how I came, like, they want to change
Speaker 3: my name to smut if we're gonna get me five.
Speaker 1: But that's a good point though, because like when I
Speaker 1: growing up and you know Joe Thaisman, I was like, man, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: he must have been a baller because it's the Heisman,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's like the But again,
Speaker 1: like he was extually I think the reason people knock him.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to speak on this because I
Speaker 1: don't know that much about it. But then he was
Speaker 1: kind of on. He was a passenger, so to speak.
Speaker 1: Those teams are running the football a lot, played good defense.
Speaker 2: You don't have these numbers passing. These numbers are beyond
Speaker 2: game manager.
Speaker 5: But you got a thing too. He was a different
Speaker 5: type of quarterback. He was like the the Steve young.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 5: Basically he can run the ball. Yeah he can, of course,
Speaker 5: he can run the ball.
Speaker 6: He ran back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, I still have a hard time
Speaker 1: believing that. That's why because it's just like it's just
Speaker 1: like you and because he ain't right, That's exactly what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He's not Tim d.
Speaker 2: White.
Speaker 1: Like it's just like the idea that you couldn't that
Speaker 1: your quarterback, you're starting quarterback, was your best returner. It's
Speaker 1: like I can't wrap my head around here.
Speaker 3: Well, Lamar Jackson could be the best return the Ravens
Speaker 3: right now. So all I'm saying is Thaisman had those
Speaker 3: years where one it was a lot of success around
Speaker 3: the team. Two he felt looked seemed like a franchise quarterback. Three,
Speaker 3: Like I say, it's something about a quarterback with that
Speaker 3: Joe Montana.
Speaker 2: I didn't like that name. That just it echoes. It
Speaker 2: just worked.
Speaker 3: Then it was like Joe working with Joe, Joe Gills
Speaker 3: working with Joe Thig.
Speaker 2: It was just like it was with Joe Ja Kobe.
Speaker 3: It was like nine Joe's on the team at the time,
Speaker 3: like it was the thing to And I just like
Speaker 3: that it fits, it works.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the other thing about him I think is
Speaker 1: like he's he's such like a pillar of the like
Speaker 1: he comes around the building and it's like, oh Joe,
Speaker 1: like man, he.
Speaker 2: Always just come doing that forever.
Speaker 5: And we used to be coming off the field and
Speaker 5: I go to be I'm sure I'm beating there in
Speaker 5: a shower, and then that'd be be in a shower.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Doing his.
Speaker 2: Popping up in every Thursday.
Speaker 5: So that had been one of those guys that he
Speaker 5: had that green light, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 5: it don't matter what he needed to use, He's gonna
Speaker 5: come here, he's gonna eat with, he gonna heat work.
Speaker 6: Guy he did. He did what he wanted and.
Speaker 1: Also a great guy.
Speaker 6: Yeah great.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think there's an interesting And the other
Speaker 1: one that I think is really interesting is Sonny because
Speaker 1: like when you look at when Sonny played, he was
Speaker 1: like the first like a real air raid guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and his number. I remember looking up his stats last year.
Speaker 1: He had a year where he had I think it
Speaker 1: was thirty six hundred yards passing, thirty seven touchdowns something
Speaker 1: like that, and it was better than I think.
Speaker 2: It was thirty four ofthet of league.
Speaker 1: He he would have been the fifth quarterback in passing now, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And he had a seventy
Speaker 1: perccond like his the numbers were very modern in terms
Speaker 1: of how they looked, and I think like for a
Speaker 1: guy that like, you know, we talked about Sammy Ball
Speaker 1: like all he did as a football player, right, talk
Speaker 1: about Joe this when the Super Bowls, the leadership, the
Speaker 1: playmaking ability, kind of the ly fit. But then when
Speaker 1: I look at Sonny like he was an innovator from
Speaker 1: a past game standpoint, and then that's all him, that's
Speaker 1: you know, like.
Speaker 2: But you can't say Sonny without saying Billy Kilmer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, talked me about it.
Speaker 3: It's this theme with those two where the fan base
Speaker 3: had to choose, like it kind of separates.
Speaker 1: You do you know the history of it? Can you
Speaker 1: walk me through a little because I'm not familiar.
Speaker 2: Wasn't Kim Er the starring quarterback? First? Yeah, Kim went
Speaker 2: to star heard and now in sunny Field then and.
Speaker 3: Something and then you know, if you let me fill in,
Speaker 3: you might so Brady where it was half of southeast
Speaker 3: d C is all about Sonney in Northeast DC is
Speaker 3: all about Kim. So it was a theme with those
Speaker 3: And I remember when I first guy here, we used
Speaker 3: to have this couch just right there in highway Sonny
Speaker 3: every day and Sam Huff Yeah. And I used to
Speaker 3: go sit right between them and listen to some of
Speaker 3: these stories.
Speaker 1: They are both. Those guys are tremendous story.
Speaker 5: A great store intellerate, the old person magnet, you know,
Speaker 5: a little old person.
Speaker 3: Right next to the look because I feel like old
Speaker 3: people they get they get a knowledge up for free.
Speaker 3: They don't, they don't even they just offered it up.
Speaker 3: And I just love people, and I love to sit
Speaker 3: back and talk to them. But when you say Sonny,
Speaker 3: you got to say Billy Kilm because right there separated
Speaker 3: fan base.
Speaker 1: Do you think that there's any conversation about Kilmer being
Speaker 1: better than Sonny statistically?
Speaker 2: Statistically? No, I want to.
Speaker 1: Look at that again. I'm not a I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: a fan of Washington, but I'm not like a historyan
Speaker 1: I am, you know, and I think the and I
Speaker 1: think just looking at statistics, looking at the film, looking
Speaker 1: at his impact on the game. Obviously Sonny's impact was bigger,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But I just was wondering
Speaker 1: if the fans, like Ki was first.
Speaker 2: Like said, they go to theme you got realized.
Speaker 3: We talked about when this team moved from Boston, like
Speaker 3: this team used to be in Boston. Like when this
Speaker 3: team moved from Boston, I think Kim was a part
Speaker 3: of the team then. So it's like kind of like
Speaker 3: that's their first person that they identified with, you know.
Speaker 1: And the other thing about Sonny is the broadcast stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, like just in terms of legacy, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like he was the voice of the
Speaker 1: command kind of like John Madden was the NFL. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like there's something about that that just makes him kind
Speaker 1: of linger.
Speaker 2: Through generations generation.
Speaker 5: So Joe thim to Joe Joe Diamond, I was listening
Speaker 5: to one of my college games, and matter of fact,
Speaker 5: not even my college game. You know how they had
Speaker 5: that thing around the draft when they popped up and
Speaker 5: showed your your your day when you got drafted.
Speaker 6: Joe Diamond was talking about me.
Speaker 5: I'm like, damn, Joe sitting up here breaking me down,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. You know, it shows you
Speaker 5: that some of these guys, we basically was playing the
Speaker 5: game while they was basically coming us. And I remember
Speaker 5: Sonny just I laughed. Listened to some of those conversations
Speaker 5: in the boot with Sonny and Larry and Sonny being
Speaker 5: three words. He said, three words, and sometimes it'd be
Speaker 5: the funniest you know, segment or words that came out
Speaker 5: the whole day, you know what I mean. So now
Speaker 5: they definitely did great jobs of just covering this team,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Michael, Larry being there like, yeah, Sonny, you
Speaker 3: know they just took it to the fifty yard that,
Speaker 3: Oh yeah they did.
Speaker 5: Sonny said, hello, it's one of them. I'm scoring. And
Speaker 5: Sonny said, I never seen anything like that, And Larry said,
Speaker 5: well you didn't see the Dallas game.
Speaker 2: Say yeah, yeah, up, son.
Speaker 3: Give me a J nine you know them cigarette you can. Like,
Speaker 3: anytime I think of Sonny, it's kind of red arabackage,
Speaker 3: like for for like for the for the Celtics, he's
Speaker 3: known for the cigarette.
Speaker 1: Sonny is known for the in the lobby too. It
Speaker 1: wouldn't be smoking it, but just not just chewing it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh god, yeah, So Sonny's before my time. But
Speaker 4: my dad like remembers Sonny. He tell me all all
Speaker 4: the time, like we need a Sonny Jergens in that Carrea.
Speaker 4: And so forgive me if I'm not exactly right fans
Speaker 4: with this, but I believe it was in like seventy
Speaker 4: three or seventy four, it was Kilmer and Sonny was
Speaker 4: kind of the debate moving forward, and that's where you
Speaker 4: got like the I like Sunny lights because in d
Speaker 4: C people would have I love Kilmer or I love Sonny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really bumper stick because the fan base was it
Speaker 2: was separated.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that.
Speaker 2: And Kilmer was more of.
Speaker 4: A conservative quarterback. Again, I didn't ever watch him plays
Speaker 4: before my.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Sonny was creative and like wow, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's funny watching his old highlights, sunny highlights. It is
Speaker 1: gonna sound crazy, but there's a there's like a Mahomes
Speaker 1: feel like it is like you know they we're talking about,
Speaker 1: like he did like a behind the back pass for
Speaker 1: a touchdown and like the left handed throw rules rules
Speaker 1: ball away and again like kind of had that. Uh
Speaker 1: that's special something that I'm sure at the time was
Speaker 1: probably frustrating for coaches, but now it's like that's what
Speaker 1: you're looking.
Speaker 3: For me, And it's so fun of how you can
Speaker 3: have these in house civil wars over like players. But
Speaker 3: it's only the quarterback position that this happened, because we've
Speaker 3: seen this happen in the modern days with Kirk and
Speaker 3: RG three. Like, so we've seen this story play out before,
Speaker 3: but it never happened with the Wire or he was
Speaker 3: the tight ends out of DBS.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's an interesting question statistically. So you know,
Speaker 1: I would kind of put those guys in their own tier.
Speaker 1: You put Joe, Sonny, Sammy, you could put those in
Speaker 1: any order. I think we're probably filming, but that's the
Speaker 1: top tier right in those But the guy that I
Speaker 1: think is maybe the most interesting two guys, and they're
Speaker 1: interesting for different reasons. One is Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Because he's the fourth all time leading passer here at
Speaker 1: the organization. Yeah, and I know people don't really like him,
Speaker 1: but in terms of good quarterback play, what you mean,
Speaker 1: I don't like him? You don't think people like him?
Speaker 2: People like they going off their Kirkcaine, They go Kirk
Speaker 2: the Kirkain'. He did't none to him.
Speaker 1: Like he left though, I think, no, I don't know,
Speaker 1: because he was here.
Speaker 2: We are we are big, huge supportive.
Speaker 6: I think they didn't feel Kurt won enough.
Speaker 1: We didn't.
Speaker 5: You got to think about it. Kurt put up numbers here,
Speaker 5: but we didn't win the game. Yeah, we didn't have
Speaker 5: anything for him to say, well, Kurt took us here,
Speaker 5: Kurt won, you know, won that on division playoff game,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So that's what what What
Speaker 5: had people in you know, you know, bumping their gums
Speaker 5: the way they did when he was you know, I
Speaker 5: guess you could say it was getting offered that money
Speaker 5: and he was bent on the self because they're like, well,
Speaker 5: we don't really need them, we can get somebody else,
Speaker 5: because he hasn't done anything, but he's he's putting up numbers.
Speaker 2: He's putting up numbers.
Speaker 3: But also his his his business part of the BIS
Speaker 3: was just so out there. Yeah, and he seemed so stoic,
Speaker 3: like he seemed like, you know what he paid me,
Speaker 3: I'm gone not It was.
Speaker 2: No you know, I'm a party, y'all work. You gotta think.
Speaker 6: You got to think too, man.
Speaker 5: The year that r G three had in two tho
Speaker 5: twelve would never be raced out of those It didn't
Speaker 5: matter what Kirk did. We was we was hoping that RG.
Speaker 5: This city was hoping that RG can get back, you know,
Speaker 5: bump his head and be that guy again. You know, understand,
Speaker 5: even with RG removed from here, he was in Cleveland
Speaker 5: at the time, Kurt's the guy.
Speaker 6: They still wanted it more.
Speaker 5: You understand, They're like, well, damn, okay, I see him
Speaker 5: throwing for this much and that much, but where's the wins?
Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: When is he going to take over a game? So
Speaker 5: he had that stigma with him for so long here
Speaker 5: to now seem like to carry him, you know, follow
Speaker 5: them everywhere he goes, because that's the first thing they say.
Speaker 5: This's like, well, you got a lot of yards, but
Speaker 5: where's the wins? Where's the super Bowl?
Speaker 6: For the championship?
Speaker 3: Till he was hearing that because that's how we got
Speaker 3: the famous phrase you like that there because get what
Speaker 3: y'all say, I can't win.
Speaker 2: I just won in Week seven?
Speaker 1: You like that? Yeah? And it was a prime time game, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think he's in an interesting tier with like
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, Mark Ripping, Doug Williams. Yeah, and again like
Speaker 1: im how you stack those guys, because Doug, there's the
Speaker 1: historic element of Doug you won a super Bowl, first
Speaker 1: African American quarterback to play to start in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: The sensation, I mean, it's there's something that can't be
Speaker 1: overlooked about that cannot But in terms of numbers, it's
Speaker 1: not like.
Speaker 3: He can't compare with the rest of them. He has
Speaker 3: to be with the Jason Campbell's of the world when
Speaker 3: it comes to them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, But it's like there's something and I got
Speaker 1: I'd probably put him up there because he did win
Speaker 1: a super.
Speaker 2: But you went, like the one thing super Bowl Trump's
Speaker 2: all everything.
Speaker 3: I could say that super Bowl Trump's if I had
Speaker 3: two Russian yards and I have just started running back
Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl team, I am one of.
Speaker 2: Them, miss running They ever grace to think about it.
Speaker 2: People think more about Terry Allen. Did they do Stephen Davis?
Speaker 2: Stephen David was better, had more yards, but we didn't
Speaker 2: want to.
Speaker 6: Get a better example.
Speaker 5: Nana Swann get more credit than Stalwart, and Stalwart had
Speaker 5: better player, I think was a better.
Speaker 6: Receiver all over. But Swan made the highlight in the playoffs.
Speaker 5: So you say, for years, I used to be sitting
Speaker 5: there like man star Wars that guy, and then I
Speaker 5: looked at it.
Speaker 6: I mean, I mean, Lin Swann's that guy.
Speaker 5: Look at star Ward numbers, I'm like, oh, hold on on,
Speaker 5: how did this guy go to the program?
Speaker 6: Let me go to the Hall of Fame before this
Speaker 6: guy when he has the numbers. So at the moment,
Speaker 6: that's just how this world is wired, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean.
Speaker 5: We're gonna salute the guy who did it in the
Speaker 5: prime time when everybody, when everything was on the line,
Speaker 5: then the guy who was consistently doing it.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm percent agree with you, but I
Speaker 1: hate that.
Speaker 2: I hate it too, you know, the way to separate
Speaker 2: the role. I can't stand it.
Speaker 1: Like basketball, and it's like, oh, you know, Michael's better
Speaker 1: than Lebron James because.
Speaker 6: He won six champions.
Speaker 1: It's like there's a million other reasons you could say
Speaker 1: why Jordan's better, Like that's like irrelevant.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like there's like a team element there.
Speaker 2: That's the case. Bill Russell is the best player, got
Speaker 2: Kareem all guys. So I don't love that.
Speaker 1: But again, I understand that. I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I think that's one hundred percent right now. Again, it's
Speaker 1: a big deal for the for the organization, for the city,
Speaker 1: for Ducks. I don't know, do you put him above Kirk?
Speaker 6: Yeah? You won Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I kind of feel
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 2: You can go out here because you gotta look at it.
Speaker 5: Also, you know, like I said, if you're not winning
Speaker 5: games with those yards that you're putting up, yeah, what
Speaker 5: did you do?
Speaker 2: Well? Think about this?
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Yo, Some of.
Speaker 3: The receiving groups you've been a part of, you pr
Speaker 3: DJAS more, people say this is one of the top
Speaker 3: while receiving corps, the course that watch never had.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they'll never put you out before the posse.
Speaker 2: Theos went there and won.
Speaker 1: That's a question though, because like semi ball won two championships,
Speaker 1: and again that was a million years ago, but Sonny
Speaker 1: didn't win a champion championship and Joe won a championship.
Speaker 2: So do you Sonny?
Speaker 6: Sonny? Sonny, Sonny, Sonny?
Speaker 2: What's Sonny?
Speaker 3: But I still you know, Joe is my number one pick,
Speaker 3: like Joe thives mean to me, is the best quarterback
Speaker 3: to ever play here.
Speaker 5: And Sonny's championship is the yellow jacket, right, I see
Speaker 5: what you're saying, saying, Yeah, so that's the championship you get.
Speaker 5: You get to put on one of those you're champion, champion, monks, champion.
Speaker 1: So I don't know that much about mart Ripping, I know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so let's talk about him because like he does have
Speaker 1: a championship. Yeah, do you put him above Kirk?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Hell because of the championship. Because of the numbers. First
Speaker 2: of all.
Speaker 5: First of all, the only reason when I talking about
Speaker 5: Mark Ripping right now, because we're talking about Sonny and Sam.
Speaker 5: But when we talk about the legacy the history of
Speaker 5: this game, we talk about Doug, Thiseman and Rippkin. You
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, this team, this white child. That's
Speaker 5: when I first got here, I didn't hear nothing. I
Speaker 5: didn't know Sonny. I didn't know nothing about Sonny until
Speaker 5: I kind of got here and got settled, and I
Speaker 5: didn't know anything about Sammy Ball. All I knew something
Speaker 5: about is Doug Williams. Where it was Joe Thiman first,
Speaker 5: Doug Williams and Mark Ripping. That's all I heard about
Speaker 5: when it came because those are the guys that Joe was,
Speaker 5: the three different quarterbacks that Joe Gibbs won championships with.
Speaker 5: And Ripken was always a guy that when I was
Speaker 5: coming up in the you know, watching football, you always
Speaker 5: heard his name at rip Ripkin like I think he
Speaker 5: was a baseball player for because Mary Kyle rip there
Speaker 5: you go, So I knew it was a ripkin playing base.
Speaker 2: A lot of ripping there is it?
Speaker 1: Do you think you this is something I always kind
Speaker 1: of go back to, like like you know, you go
Speaker 1: to the go to the old high school game and
Speaker 1: the old heads are out there and oh, this team
Speaker 1: is good, but they're not. They're nothing like them eight Lakers,
Speaker 1: right or whatever, And a little bit because like they
Speaker 1: grew up watching that. Do you think you a prisoner
Speaker 1: at the moment you give those guys more points? Seisman
Speaker 1: Williams ripping because those that's who you guys grew up
Speaker 1: watching No.
Speaker 6: One championship, one championship.
Speaker 2: That's what it is.
Speaker 5: I mean, look, this city will always be known for
Speaker 5: the three championships. And if you was a part of that,
Speaker 5: if you the quarterback or not, those are the game
Speaker 5: that I seen him say, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Most come on, we would be Mitchell out of time.
Speaker 2: We start trashing each other out he doing put that.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they don't know who Mitch is. We walking they
Speaker 2: be like that and they're like, that's be men, because
Speaker 2: you do never forget that time, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So it's just one of those things and like like
Speaker 5: trust me, man, Like I don't envy nothing about you know,
Speaker 5: no one and what they accomplish. This is but I
Speaker 5: would have loved to just play, not play, because that
Speaker 5: planning and is overrated. Win a champion, yeah, I would
Speaker 5: have loved to win a champion, you know, feeling.
Speaker 1: I was talking about feeling, talking about father on all
Speaker 1: that side, and it's about this championship thing. And one
Speaker 1: of the things he said was like, you know, Andy
Speaker 1: Reid was considered, you know, a good coach, but not
Speaker 1: a great way because he won the championship. And Kyle's
Speaker 1: kind of going through that same thing Shanahan right now.
Speaker 1: He's he's maybe the best coach in the NFL, but
Speaker 1: he's never He's always going to be a tier below
Speaker 1: till he wins.
Speaker 6: That hurts him.
Speaker 1: I know it hurts me.
Speaker 5: It hurt me for because I'm a big cal I
Speaker 5: love everything about Cale Young and when I see him
Speaker 5: every time he going and I'm like, should I not
Speaker 5: root for him? Because like I'm rooting for him making
Speaker 5: him not win, you know, but he's gonna get one.
Speaker 5: He's one of them coaches up that we're gonna look
Speaker 5: back on and say damn it took him.
Speaker 2: This just took him along this long Listen to win
Speaker 2: a championship here.
Speaker 3: I would have loved it, especially if we would have
Speaker 3: won with Coach Gills being here for the second time.
Speaker 2: He would have let me coordinate that Super Bowl parade.
Speaker 2: I know, no game chose coordinator. Listen. We would have
Speaker 2: came down down. You would not You was not even you.
Speaker 2: Was not a good stand up with the league. I
Speaker 2: was gonna come down independent. Listen. It was gonna be
Speaker 2: one one two. Remember I tell you like this.
Speaker 5: They were gonna love smooth for smooth, but boy, you
Speaker 5: weren't gonna be able to be in charge of nothing
Speaker 5: after that book.
Speaker 2: Coach Gibbs he always liked because that was my dude.
Speaker 2: I'm super close with him, Like even when it.
Speaker 1: Was I got a question for you because we had
Speaker 1: a really cool podcast with Doug Williams. If you heard that,
Speaker 1: make sure to check it out. But he seems like
Speaker 1: just a really genuine personal He's in goodard.
Speaker 2: Was he like that with every Yes? Really well, just
Speaker 2: like any coach.
Speaker 3: You got some players you're a little bit closer to them,
Speaker 3: but he treated everybody the same.
Speaker 2: He was one of them. Coaches.
Speaker 3: You ain't got a knock to go into his office.
Speaker 3: Just walk in there, we walk into the field. He
Speaker 3: talk to you like coach was just more.
Speaker 2: Than a coach. He had the granddaddy effect.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think too, man, When when I learned about
Speaker 5: you know, him playing for him as much as you
Speaker 5: love you, You loved him for being a kind hearted,
Speaker 5: you know, kind of a soft guy. He didn't tolerate
Speaker 5: that BSc. He wanted nuhing, but he wanted nothing but hard.
Speaker 5: And I'm gonna say this is the right man. He
Speaker 5: wanted you to have a birth. He wanted guys to
Speaker 5: play for him between the white lines. He wanted you
Speaker 5: to be a different dude. And so you would look
Speaker 5: at him because he always had these you know. One
Speaker 5: thing I loved about his stories.
Speaker 2: He was sitting here.
Speaker 5: He would sit there and tell us the story about
Speaker 5: how great we are to be one of those one
Speaker 5: percent you know, we one percenters like he like, man,
Speaker 5: I could never be you guys, But I'm looking at
Speaker 5: him like coach, Yeah, we could never be right, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean? Like you the greatest of the greatest,
Speaker 5: that can put all these guys in one room and
Speaker 5: lead us to the Promised Land, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And I saw it from watching and then got a
Speaker 5: chance to play for him, and I'm like, this is
Speaker 5: why this guy makes things special, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really interesting on the Hails Tales podcast
Speaker 1: where they talk about was it the eighty seven super
Speaker 1: Bowl that's coming out July fourth, Like just listening to
Speaker 1: him talk, he's like he's just very you know, kind
Speaker 1: of not not like it doesn't have like this great voice,
Speaker 1: but the attention to detail. And they was talking about
Speaker 1: a practice they had leading up to the Super Bowls,
Speaker 1: like them boys were physical. Yeah, and you can just
Speaker 1: you can hear I can almost hear the clocking of
Speaker 1: the pads as he was talking, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I was like, there's something about that guy. He
Speaker 1: can paint a picture, yeah, pain it, yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: So okay, let me just this. We're gonna finish up
Speaker 1: right here is so you said Joe number one to me, right?
Speaker 1: So where does give you your list? Right now? Go
Speaker 1: for it? All right?
Speaker 3: I got Joe that is minute number one, all right,
Speaker 3: all right, Joe thousand and number one. I got Sammy
Speaker 3: bid number two I got Sonny Jergerson at three, I
Speaker 3: have Mark Ripping at four, and I got Doug Williams
Speaker 3: at five.
Speaker 1: That's how what do you think, Taylor? I think he can't.
Speaker 2: Really you can't.
Speaker 6: You can shuffle that run.
Speaker 5: But those guys are the guys that probably that represent
Speaker 5: this history, this rich history.
Speaker 2: I feel like you can tell the story of this
Speaker 2: organization through those.
Speaker 5: Five because because I would say, the only person I
Speaker 5: probably would switch is Sammy Bard at two, and and
Speaker 5: you man Sonny at and put Sonny at two. Three,
Speaker 5: I put Sonny at three and put Sammy at two.
Speaker 5: I would have Joe at one, Sammy Sammy at two,
Speaker 5: and Sonny at three.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And it's only because the championships, But if you really
Speaker 5: want to be technical, you can put Sammy in front
Speaker 5: of all three of those guys.
Speaker 6: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it was also like a different era, like he again,
Speaker 1: like he's a cool to talk about because of everything
Speaker 1: he did in his era. He had like a sixty
Speaker 1: percent completion percentage, didn't throw the ball like he was
Speaker 1: just such an outlier. But again, that's really cool. So
Speaker 1: let's talk about this real quick best quarterback you played
Speaker 1: with while.
Speaker 6: In DC, I would say, I would say Mark Vinell's mine.
Speaker 2: He's the guy.
Speaker 5: And you got to think this is coming from uh.
Speaker 5: So I played here ten years and I had eleven quarterbacks,
Speaker 5: I believe. So, yeah, I had a ten.
Speaker 2: Years I had.
Speaker 5: I had fifteen and fourteen years total football. But as
Speaker 5: a Washington whatever you wanted to call us, as a Redskin,
Speaker 5: I played for the Redskins as a doing those ten
Speaker 5: years here, I had eleven quarterbacks and Mark I only
Speaker 5: had him for a year and a half. And it's
Speaker 5: crazy as that might sound, he was my favorite. He
Speaker 5: was my favorite and the best quarterback that I said
Speaker 5: when it came.
Speaker 6: To see one of the things that, well, I know
Speaker 6: why you liked him so much.
Speaker 2: That's one reason. That's one Just talk about it. I had.
Speaker 1: I had a great year with my Pro Bowl year
Speaker 1: because we were researching he had so he had three
Speaker 1: thousand yards passing that year. They were talking about twenty
Speaker 1: three touchdowns. Ten had eleven of them. Yeah, So talk
Speaker 1: about a guy who knew how to.
Speaker 2: Get the ball to his man.
Speaker 5: And that's the that's what I'm going to bring up.
Speaker 5: That's with not having any reps in training camp.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: That's with me not knowing nothing about him. That's what
Speaker 5: him just saying, Tana, I'm gonna get.
Speaker 2: You to rock.
Speaker 6: Hey, Hey, I might need you backside.
Speaker 2: That's how you Jimmy.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be in the progression, Bingle. I wouldn't be
Speaker 5: in the progression and Mark finds me. So that's just
Speaker 5: knowing football.
Speaker 1: And can you name all the guys you played with?
Speaker 2: By the way a little bit.
Speaker 5: I think I think I might miss two guys and
Speaker 5: one from New York and it's one from here. Y'all
Speaker 5: gonna know their name, So start with New York. I
Speaker 5: had Chad Pennington. I had Benny Testaburdy, who's my favorite
Speaker 5: quarterback I played with in New York test Verity.
Speaker 6: I had Quincy Carter.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Mark, if I'm not mistaken, that's how you pronounce that Mark,
Speaker 5: Mark Bolger, s Mark Virginia, Mark Bojer, Mark Mark Borger
Speaker 5: or something like that. It's not Bolger play for the Rams,
Speaker 5: not him. It's another guy Mark. It might be Mark
Speaker 5: Burger and Mark bro I don't have pronounce that would
Speaker 5: have been four and four years with them.
Speaker 2: I get here.
Speaker 5: I got your boy who you like Ramsey the worst,
Speaker 5: Pat Pat Ramsey, I got that's five. I got Mark Brunell.
Speaker 5: That's six. I got your boy we just talked about.
Speaker 5: But Todd is in there. But I'm talking about the
Speaker 5: first of Jason Kimball, then Todd Collins, then Donovan mcnawa
Speaker 5: now then.
Speaker 2: Then my man from Florida, Uh Rex Gross sixty rex Ho.
Speaker 6: That's team the guy who.
Speaker 5: Forget right now he's with them back there you go
Speaker 5: act love so No, the Beck is r G three,
Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins you got from Texas who play co McCoy,
Speaker 5: McCoy and and last.
Speaker 2: But that's that's thirteen.
Speaker 1: Last fourteen played.
Speaker 6: With one more guy here?
Speaker 2: Well you I survived one more guy here that threw
Speaker 2: me a ball, that threw me.
Speaker 1: In the game. Oh gosh, that's tough because there was
Speaker 1: a period of time it was rex.
Speaker 3: Back, it was it wasn't it was the old boy
Speaker 3: that played for thirty three team Johnson Johnson, he was I.
Speaker 6: Went here with Josh. Somebody else threw me a ball here, huh, I.
Speaker 1: Would say, because Coke got hurt in fifteen, know who
Speaker 1: got hurt in four?
Speaker 2: You did not play with Mark Sanchez.
Speaker 1: No, he's always That was the year after that Mark came.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, Mark played, he had us list I
Speaker 2: want to chase Keenum.
Speaker 6: No, I want none of those guys. It might it
Speaker 6: might have been. It might have been the Texas last
Speaker 6: he's the last one.
Speaker 1: So it was it was third summer.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's like thirteen, right.
Speaker 2: And I came here.
Speaker 1: No one.
Speaker 2: Jiff George my first quarterback.
Speaker 3: He didn't make it through the year. Therefore we had
Speaker 3: Tony Banks. You don't remember Tony Banks. Tony Banks is
Speaker 3: a West Coast guy quarter a black quarterback, puts you
Speaker 3: down the field.
Speaker 2: Then we come back with the Jetskins. That's what we had.
Speaker 2: Shane Matthews, Danny Waffle. Uh oh yeah, I got bad.
Speaker 6: So who was your so? Who was your favorite of
Speaker 6: the of all your quarterbacks here?
Speaker 2: You know what I feel.
Speaker 3: My heart went out to Pat Ramsey because I felt
Speaker 3: like we set him up for failure, for failure, so
Speaker 3: my heart went out.
Speaker 2: I loved personally a quarterback. Nobody loved Jeff George.
Speaker 3: Listen, one of the strongest arms, accurate, but he is
Speaker 3: so arrogant.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: The only person got in the way Jeff George is
Speaker 3: Jeff George because all the god Gallant I mean talent,
Speaker 3: he had that talent. But I can't say he the
Speaker 3: best quarterback I played. We here because guess what, ain't
Speaker 3: but one quarterback ever took.
Speaker 2: Me to the playoffs. Here one Todd College, Todd good Chief.
Speaker 1: The Chief.
Speaker 2: The Chief waited sixteen years, yeah to get his first start.
Speaker 1: Good friend.
Speaker 3: Man, it finally got the start at the end of
Speaker 3: the season, and the Chief took us to the playoffs.
Speaker 3: All right, Todd College, I know they're sitting to Borlow
Speaker 3: Todd Collins, what about you.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think through it because I obviously
Speaker 1: was here. So this is what I'm gonna say. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna kind of like Hedge with my answer. So the
Speaker 1: best year I had with the quarterback was obviously Robert
Speaker 1: in twelve. Like he was he was untouchable that year. Man,
Speaker 1: Like he the way through the ball, the way he ran,
Speaker 1: the way he elevated the whole offense. I mean, the
Speaker 1: play calling was huge, I hear. The guy that was
Speaker 1: probably the most impactful for me in my career was
Speaker 1: probably Rex Grossman. Like he was just a great guy
Speaker 1: as a young player to be around. Yeah, because he
Speaker 1: was super accessible, super good dude, good leader, been around
Speaker 1: with a bunch of teams, good communicator, understood football well
Speaker 1: and was able to kind of convey that to me,
Speaker 1: which was great. And then in terms of like the
Speaker 1: best guy, and I got Kirk when he was young,
Speaker 1: but the guy that I knew could be good when
Speaker 1: he started playing was Kirk. And to see him now,
Speaker 1: like it all makes it makes sense. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: I called it, but like that's kind of how I
Speaker 1: feel about it.
Speaker 2: And so, uh had a good group. Man. Think about
Speaker 2: the group of quarterbacks I had, I was destined to
Speaker 2: not succeed.
Speaker 1: I know, it was tough. And then obviously Donovan. Having
Speaker 1: Donovan here was cool because he was like my favorite quarterback,
Speaker 1: grow he was my mom's favorite quarterback.
Speaker 5: Just to give some Oh, his name was Brooke Brooke Bolinger.
Speaker 5: Brooke Bolinger, Brooke Bolinger, that's what his name. I had
Speaker 5: to find it, man Brook. So yeah, I've been saying
Speaker 5: Mark all this time. It's Brooke Bolinger, all right.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of kind of up.
Speaker 6: Brooke Brook was one of my guys.
Speaker 1: I like Brook. Yeah, that's a group of quarterbacks man.
Speaker 6: And it's so crazy.
Speaker 5: None of the quarterbacks, none of the quarterbacks I played with,
Speaker 5: but one went to a Pro Bowl and it was
Speaker 5: RG really.
Speaker 2: Pro bo.
Speaker 5: Not in the years I played with them, the year
Speaker 5: and the years I played with them, none of them.
Speaker 5: Only r G three was a Pro Bowl quarterback. Mark
Speaker 5: should have went the year that I would played.
Speaker 2: With the Pro Bowl court.
Speaker 3: But the only time I played with the Pro Bowl
Speaker 3: quarterback out with the Vikings take hope help. But that's
Speaker 3: the only Pro Bowl quarterback I ever had in my life.
Speaker 1: The most underrated quarterback in your opinion from my team, Yeah,
Speaker 1: from Todd Commins to Collins.
Speaker 3: Most underrated Jason Campbell. I'm gonna get to Jason.
Speaker 2: Because if Jason no, I just said, I just felt like,
Speaker 2: if Jason had.
Speaker 3: This, I cut outside the lines a little bit, he
Speaker 3: would have been a better quarterback. But tools, he had
Speaker 3: all the tools, height, arm strength, smart like he had everything.
Speaker 3: I thought Jason and I thought we didn't do Jason
Speaker 3: no gifts by giving him like twenty three offense coordinator.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then and then he didn't have an offense
Speaker 5: that that suited him came to him. The reason why
Speaker 5: I say Todd is because no one saw it coming.
Speaker 2: Yeah you want.
Speaker 6: No one would gave him a chance, nobody, and he
Speaker 6: just sat here.
Speaker 2: He quiet.
Speaker 5: He learned he was the backup, and when Jason went down,
Speaker 5: he led us to the playoffs. I mean, we couldn't miss.
Speaker 5: I mean, and it was crazy. He turned around my
Speaker 5: season because at that time I was I was upset
Speaker 5: with Jason. Jason was throwing the ball so hard and
Speaker 5: so high and so late. I was like, damn boy,
Speaker 5: this is just just not fun, you know, because you
Speaker 5: know when you feel like you're getting your back blown out.
Speaker 5: And Jason was young, so it's no offense to Jason.
Speaker 5: We talked, We had these talks back then, and it
Speaker 5: was crazy. The next year, I had my first thousand
Speaker 5: yard season with Jason, but Todd came in and just man,
Speaker 5: I mean the ball I would remember. I remember that
Speaker 5: Cowboy game, last game of the season here, and that's
Speaker 5: the year we lost you know, Sean and mc tarr
Speaker 5: was on one. The ball was like it's just like
Speaker 5: it couldn't miss. Like he just knew, like, man, I'm
Speaker 5: going to make where I'm going before I was throwing
Speaker 5: that thing to me and it was like it was
Speaker 5: just and I hate playing in rain, and it was
Speaker 5: beyond raining that day. It was nasty outside, and it
Speaker 5: seemed like every ball Tar threw it was just like perfect.
Speaker 6: I mean, he was just on the money.
Speaker 2: Minnesota.
Speaker 3: When we had to bring that guy to go into
Speaker 3: the playoffs, yeah, he like Todd hiking the ball one
Speaker 3: point two second the ball out of his hand.
Speaker 6: I ran out and up on I forgot who that
Speaker 6: guy was over.
Speaker 2: There onex one winfield.
Speaker 5: When I went up on him and I turned, I
Speaker 5: literally put my foot I was doing the out route
Speaker 5: and Todd was throwing the throwing talked about. By the
Speaker 5: time I turned around, you know, I'm you know, I
Speaker 5: got to speed for it, and the guy who covering,
Speaker 5: he's trying to, you know, catch up, and by the
Speaker 5: time he caught up, I'm already going over his head.
Speaker 6: That's how Todd was. He just threw the ball perfect,
Speaker 6: perfect time.
Speaker 1: I want to say a guy that's probably gonna be
Speaker 1: a little controversial, it's gonna be John Beck. And the
Speaker 1: reason we say John Beck is because I don't think
Speaker 1: people listen, listen, listen, listen. I just wanted this is
Speaker 1: something people understand about the position.
Speaker 2: I'm just putting it.
Speaker 1: But I get you because I get you and the
Speaker 1: reason I understand. Man, But that guy prepped crazy. He
Speaker 1: like to be a starter and it just didn't work out.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm gonna say this, man, and I'm gonna
Speaker 6: be me because you know, I'm a realist.
Speaker 2: I'm a realist. But I don't knock that.
Speaker 5: I don't knock that by Beck. The only throwing in
Speaker 5: my behind about Beck. And I'm not, you know, shamed
Speaker 5: to say this, and I'm he probably would if he
Speaker 5: ever heard this, he'd probably.
Speaker 2: Say, I'm right.
Speaker 5: Is he just boasted before we got a chance to
Speaker 5: do things. I thought the world of him, How he
Speaker 5: called people, how he wanted to get guys to go
Speaker 5: work out, how his preparation, he wanted to do everything right.
Speaker 5: But you got to do it before you talk about
Speaker 5: And I didn't like no one that boasts to me
Speaker 5: because it's like, you know, our son this. I love
Speaker 5: our son to this day, great, great, great soul. You know,
Speaker 5: he had a hard like no other guy. I think
Speaker 5: our sun is still stay in the area. When I
Speaker 5: came in, he saw what I did my first year
Speaker 5: here with us writing plays in the dirt. He say, Tanner,
Speaker 5: I just came from the greatest show on the turf.
Speaker 5: You're gonna have two thousand yards.
Speaker 2: Don't tell me that.
Speaker 6: I'll let's go out here and play for and then
Speaker 6: get me.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. And I didn't have him, y'all.
Speaker 2: And he was saying sorry to me at the end
Speaker 2: of the year, like ten.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 6: No, man, just don't talk about what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2: That's why I didn't do it.
Speaker 5: So that was that was the thing that bothered me
Speaker 5: the most about Beck, because Beck was like, man, we're
Speaker 5: gonna do that, and then we got there, like Beck,
Speaker 5: what the.
Speaker 6: Hell what you doing? You know what I'm saying, beg.
Speaker 2: Let me repeat that. He sounds like a count that
Speaker 2: works in Memphis.
Speaker 6: He's a gun back.
Speaker 2: I'm a counter back. If you call me like yeah,
Speaker 2: we got jumm back next week. N No, John Beck,
Speaker 2: come on.
Speaker 5: Man, tell me this though this because it was a
Speaker 5: you know, I never wanted to go down in the
Speaker 5: middle of the season and have to come back and play.
Speaker 5: I remember when I broke my hand and I watched
Speaker 5: those four games. Man, it was like the worst time
Speaker 5: of Like I was almost happy to be hurt at
Speaker 5: that time, Like I promise, because I'm looking at Jabi
Speaker 5: Gaffney and Jambaik come off.
Speaker 6: You know, he don't bite his hold. Bro. We went
Speaker 6: to We went to Canada to play Buffalo.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 5: Dad had to be the worst game I've ever saw
Speaker 5: in football, like me watching football from any seat, from
Speaker 5: playing on and sitting on the bench, or as a spectator.
Speaker 5: At that moment, I was a spectator because I had
Speaker 5: a broken hand.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 6: We couldn't get up. It's like we couldn't move.
Speaker 2: The chain at your local councilman, John Big.
Speaker 1: And so the reason I wanted to bring him up
Speaker 1: also because dude, I mean, like you said, everything you're
Speaker 1: supposed to do, Yeah, he did it did it just
Speaker 1: didn't work out. And again I think that shows you
Speaker 1: how hard it is to make it out because like again,
Speaker 1: he was a guy. He'd stay I remember my rookie year,
Speaker 1: we'd stay after every Monday and we'd go through the
Speaker 1: entire game script. He'd make every throw. You go in
Speaker 1: and study all the fields like he just you know
Speaker 1: what he worked out.
Speaker 5: You know, I think though sometime that happens. Who are
Speaker 5: you as a person, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 5: I mean don't get me wrong. I'm not saying nothing
Speaker 5: bad about him because I liked him as a person.
Speaker 5: I said, but I feel like if you kind of
Speaker 5: if you kind of do too much barking without you know,
Speaker 5: without putting up the work. It happens that way. You know,
Speaker 5: when you can't bark, you can't sit out here. Like
Speaker 5: my dad always say, I say this to this day.
Speaker 5: This is one of my favorite sins. A man gonna
Speaker 5: show you who he is, A man gonna show you
Speaker 5: who he ain't by telling you who he is. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so they think about that. Yeah, you tell me, you
Speaker 5: this not time out of tendant because to tell me
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. So that's why I've never
Speaker 5: been opposed to wanting to hear nothing or you tend
Speaker 5: you finna go out, Know, I'm just gonna go.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna prepare myself.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna prepare myself to go out and do the
Speaker 5: best whatever may happen that day, because you don't know,
Speaker 5: you never know.
Speaker 6: Just be ready for it, you understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so you know, we talked about some of
Speaker 1: the best quarterbacks, some of the worst quarterbacks in Washington history.
Speaker 2: Got about the worst.
Speaker 1: We talked. We talked about some people that you know,
Speaker 1: potentially didn't that didn't work out, even though we've got
Speaker 1: a lot of respect for him. But then we got
Speaker 1: to go jayde Daniels, you know, and like, what are
Speaker 1: our first impressions of him? And yeah, let's start with
Speaker 1: first impressions.
Speaker 3: I love the person because that's how we really know
Speaker 3: about right now. I love the person. The person seems
Speaker 3: to be grounded. Yeah, he seems to be a team player,
Speaker 3: and he seems to have his the heartbeat of the team,
Speaker 3: if you know what I mean. And nothing seems hard
Speaker 3: to him. I watch him in practice. No throw seems
Speaker 3: hard to him. And right now it's all about learning curve.
Speaker 3: He seems to be picking up the offense pretty quick.
Speaker 3: So the intelligence is there, the athletic ability is there now,
Speaker 3: just like John Beck, can he put it all together?
Speaker 2: That's gonna be the question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's one of the reason I brought it up,
Speaker 1: is because like there's something about like knowing the book
Speaker 1: and studying because John knew it right, and I think
Speaker 1: Jayden knows it for you, it's pretty good. But I
Speaker 1: think the thing about Jaden that I've been impressed with
Speaker 1: is that his ability to go execute and act on
Speaker 1: that right and kind of make place, make the throws
Speaker 1: work the progressions, let his footwork take him to the concept,
Speaker 1: and you know he's at least picked it up really quickly.
Speaker 1: The technical document seems to be there, so I know
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, they're still in helmets.
Speaker 2: You know, they're not still a pillow.
Speaker 1: But I think in terms of you know, answering or
Speaker 1: taking the test that's given to you, I think he's
Speaker 1: just done a great job kind of checking off boxes.
Speaker 1: And again, like he's like I think Tanner, you probably
Speaker 1: appreciate this the most. He's not a guy that's gonna
Speaker 1: tell you like, oh I'm this this this No, I'm here,
Speaker 1: I'm here to work, I'm here to get better. I'm
Speaker 1: here to try to be the best version of my.
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean one of the things that you know,
Speaker 5: quarterbacks can be. It can be hit a mess when
Speaker 5: it comes to personality. While you get some quarterbacks that's
Speaker 5: their whole life into they self, and so you have
Speaker 5: to deal with that because they like well, like I said,
Speaker 5: into their self, it's about them.
Speaker 6: It's their show.
Speaker 5: So you're gonna have to listen up and then you
Speaker 5: get other quarterbacks that's like Jaydon Dames approachable, that's what
Speaker 5: and to take in whatever you're hearing, or they want
Speaker 5: to listen to what you see or or how you
Speaker 5: want the ball thrown. Okay, I'm gonna give it to
Speaker 5: you less this way. Like I was amazed when Vinnie
Speaker 5: used to be like, Tennis, so what's your see tenn
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, you asking me because some quarterbacks, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm young, I don't.
Speaker 6: I never saw an older guy. And this is my
Speaker 6: first time.
Speaker 5: Really having having this experience because let me just remind you,
Speaker 5: Chad is my age.
Speaker 6: He ain't asking me what I see? Yeah, come on,
Speaker 6: get to that spot.
Speaker 5: You know you hear that sometimes like well, okay, you
Speaker 5: want to be a little you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: Like I'm getting there or I'm gonna get there because
Speaker 5: I know, you know, it don't take me long. But
Speaker 5: when I look at jay and he seems that guy,
Speaker 5: and every time I listen to one of the guys
Speaker 5: that he played with, that's.
Speaker 6: What I'm hearing.
Speaker 5: Man, he's a team, he's a guy. He's a fun
Speaker 5: guy to be around. Even through the draft process, all
Speaker 5: these guys, everybody was like it was like he was
Speaker 5: one of those guys they everybody gravitated to him, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, because the way his spirit is
Speaker 5: and that's rough for quarterbacks because people's kind of like, oh,
Speaker 5: that go the dude over there, and then when it's
Speaker 5: a quarterback and the rest of bingo.
Speaker 6: And so I think that's right there.
Speaker 5: That's a good way to start off knowing that he's
Speaker 5: a guy that's very approachable, that's gonna be, that's gonna listen.
Speaker 5: And he's a fun loving guy. So he want everybody
Speaker 5: to have fun. And the only way you're gonna have
Speaker 5: everybody I had fun is make sure those guys get off.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And again I think back to those that
Speaker 1: thing he said in our interview where he's like I
Speaker 1: got up at five am, got guys to come work
Speaker 1: out with me at five am. Like takes a special
Speaker 1: kind of dude to do. Yeah, And so obviously the
Speaker 1: guys here have talked about how much they like him
Speaker 1: and they're excited about him. I think he's done a
Speaker 1: great job checking all the boxes. So really, every time
Speaker 1: we get to watch practice, that's first I'm most excited
Speaker 1: to watch because he's the most important position. That's why
Speaker 1: we dedicate a whole show to talking about these guys.
Speaker 1: There's a reason that Thaisman is this iconic thing or
Speaker 1: Sonny is this iconic thing is because they play the
Speaker 1: most important position in the sport. But that's gonna do
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