WEBVTT - DC Quarterbacks: The Greatest of All-Time | Command Center Podcast | Washington Commanders 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:04.680 In today's episode of The Command Center Podcast, we're talking 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:08.680 best Washington QB's. We got Sammy Boss, Sonny Jergensen, Joe Thaisman, 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:10.920 Doug Williams. Who's the best of all time? We talk 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:13.000 about that in great lengths. We'll make you check it out. 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:15.840 And who's the best quarterback that we ever played with? 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.800 Tanna played with fourteen different quarterbacks. Man, it's got a 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:20.680 lot of guys to pick from. Who is the most 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:23.239 underrated quarterback in Washington football history of the guys that 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:25.599 we played with? Our answers might surprise you. And we 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:28.760 talked early impressions of Jade Daniels. It all starts right now. 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:35.279 Welcome to the Command Center Podcast. I'm Logan Paul, sit 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:39.000 here with Fred's Foot and Santana Moss. Guys, so fun 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:40.640 to be here with you today. We have our live 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:45.320 show coming up June fourteenth, Franklin Hall, DC, seven pm. 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:50.199 We will be giving out these shirts, yes right, free merch, yes, 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:52.480 so please come by. 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Y'all gonna love Franklinhall. 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:22.000 That's some of Hall. 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.199 The draft, the FIRELM went off. 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.400 The firelan went off, the roof was on fire. Nobody live. 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.080 It was crunk out there. It's a huge place. The 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:32.040 food was great. 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:33.440 Is it like a bar, It's a bar. 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:37.080 No, it's it's it's more than a bar. I'm telling it. 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:40.600 It's the body being. Franklin himself probably parted it in 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:41.280 the same team. 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:45.840 I love telling you. It's worth to visit my friend. 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.200 Oh my gosh. In addition to the live event, we 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:53.000 also have a really cool new podcast coming out called 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:57.600 Hail Tails, and it is a kind of recap of 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:00.880 the Super Bowl season that team Jason to Guy. Jason 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:04.280 produced it. I got to listen to it early. Very good, Jason, 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:04.800 nice done. 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:07.680 Yeah, well, I produce an editor, but Hannah Lichenstein didn't. 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:09.960 Most she did like the word she interviewed. 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:12.840 Yeah, the first episode is all about the lead up 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.040 the Super Bowl twenty two with Doug Williams in nineteen 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:18.360 eighty seven, and uh man, Hannah put in some work. 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:21.200 She got interviews with Joe Gibbs, she got Doug, she 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:27.320 got Doug's brother Ricky. Yes, she got Charles man Dexter Manley, 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.679 and Doug had a emergency dental operation. 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.480 She got the dentists day before the super Bowl. 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:37.000 Yeah, day before she got the dentist to talk about it. Yeah, 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:39.080 found the found all these people, they all agreed to 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:42.160 do it. So think of like a documentary but podcast. 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:44.799 It's kind of it's kind of like a football life ish, 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.240 you know what I'm saying, But about that specific and this. 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:49.400 Is just the first episode. Got six of them really 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:50.320 come out this summer. 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.160 So yeah, if you're a Commander's fan again, I got 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.160 to get a sneak peak of it. It's it's good 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:57.120 stuff and you know, gives a lot of context for 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:00.800 the organization that year specifically, and uh show how special 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:02.200 some of those people on that team were. 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.880 And dead message was brought to you by just a guy, 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:05.320 you know. 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.839 Just a guy Jason, who you guys get to see 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:10.720 at the live event, you'll see him in person, just 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:11.079 the guy. 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:14.680 He looks like just a guy like he looks you. 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.640 Told him he looked like he's just a jag. 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:23.240 No, his hair looks at let's get that correct. 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:25.000 Got enviable hair for sure. 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:28.679 But he doesn't like thor after he failed to stop thanos. 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:32.640 My guy, you me saying that about it? 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:37.119 Representation matters and I felt seen. 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:43.000 Oh my gosh, so we got a kind of a 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.440 cool show today. Something. I'm excited to see your guys 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:48.640 perspective because I'm a young fella, way younger than you guys, 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.760 even though I look older than Yeah. But we're gonna 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.160 talk Washington quarterbacks. We're going to kind of tear this 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.520 out into three sections. We're going to start with who 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:02.760 is the best quarterback in Wash in football history? And 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:05.200 I'm really curious to see who you guys are gonna 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:07.880 say for this. You want to see what it was 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:08.520 to start. 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:10.440 All right, Let's start here. Let's start here. 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:14.640 You can say who the best, but every generation is 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.440 going to have their own favorites, and they and people 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:18.159 they say the best. 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:19.640 But I mean, I look at this list we got 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:21.880 a list of guys. We got Sammy Ball, Sonny Jergensen, 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.560 Joe Thighsmen, Doug Williams, Mark Rippon, Billy Kilmer, Kirk Cousins, 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.440 and Robert Griffin. The thirds on here we got. Also, 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:29.800 we got Jason Campbell and Mark Brunel. 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:30.599 Yeah. 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.960 I look at this list and one name stands out 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:36.440 above all the other names. And maybe it's because, like 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:40.799 I'm a history person, But Sammy Ball was mister football. 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.320 He rushed, he played defense, he played back in the day. 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.679 Interceptions didn't me this one? 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:50.479 Yeah, I really wanted to get there. Thank you for 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:55.040 that excellently. He played quarterback and had more interceptions in front, 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.640 So like, what kind of football player? 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:01.280 But he had more interceptions than this guy had receptions. 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:09.920 How I'm saying, is that true? Yeah? Thirty seven one year, 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.359 but it's close. 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:12.760 I don't know. 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:14.960 Yeah, fact check me, please, because I don't. I don't 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:19.800 keep shocking myself. I don't keep shocking that like that. 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:21.680 But yeah, so to me, I look at Sammy Vaughan, 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:23.000 I'm like, it's got to be him. 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.480 It's you know what I say that, Like, if you 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:29.360 talk to the the brain trust of the Washington D, 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.800 the D and V. A lot of people forget about 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.680 Sammy Ma because we're talking about not even flow model 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.440 TV's were talking about a time of black and white TV. 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:40.200 Is it twenty seven? Jason thirty seven? 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.440 Yeah, in twenty thirteen, hell of a year for you, 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:46.280 twenty eight recent twenty eight career high. 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:48.160 Not thirty seven, but yeah, it's good though, video. 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:51.200 Not your career hiding yard yards though? Can you touchdowns? 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:57.320 But it's seventy more kitches than the dead? Come on, man, 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:57.800 you can. 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.919 Say that about anybody. You had twenty more more interceptions 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:02.839 than a day man like, come on? 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:05.080 Nah. 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:08.919 To Fred's point though, getting back to the you know, 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:12.240 to the quarterbacks, who we think that's the best. I 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:15.760 think when you look at numbers, it jumps out to 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:19.280 you that you say, okay, you can say these three names, Uh, Sonny, 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:21.640 Thiseman and Dug. 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.080 People look at not not even numbers. 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:27.240 But when you hear the stories about quarterbacks here because 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:31.080 they were there, Yeah it was Sonny that they talk about. 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:33.760 It's thise mean that you hear always du you know 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:35.880 what I mean. But then when you look at the numbers, 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.880 then you say, with damn, why don't talk more about 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.120 Sammy Bob, you know what I mean, because he played 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:44.120 too early his numbers and then we just wasn't thinking 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:47.479 about that kind of football back and they played without 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:48.039 you know what I. 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.679 Mean, dude, one hundred and eighty seven touchdowns, like throwing 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:55.200 rush for like he played defense, he played offense, he punted, 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.760 he returned like he was just like a guy, like 0:06:57.760 --> 0:06:58.880 like the dude he was. 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.080 He was the I guess then pitting me up what 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.240 they did back in those days, playing. 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:03.680 Before his time. 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:07.720 Yeah, they smoked square that halftime. They went out there, 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:11.560 they played, they ran kicks back as a quarterback, they 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:13.640 played dB as a quarter had a real job and 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:17.720 they had they worked at a fact they left there. 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.160 That was the iron man type of type of football 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:22.160 player back in those days. 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:23.760 And also have you seen him give an interview by 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:25.440 the way, like like some of the old interviews on 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:26.520 the file, have you heard No. 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:30.000 He's wild, Yeah he is wild, idiot. 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:31.960 He's like he's given an interview for NFL now just 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.760 a couple years ago. He's got a big old dip in, yeah, spitting, 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.200 he's on his front porch. The dog starts sparking. He 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.280 just smacks the hell out of the dog, like he 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:40.560 was a different kind of dude. 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:41.440 He was to do. 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:45.600 I have to say this because watching from the South 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:50.520 and understanding that the Cowboys and the Washington team the rivalry, 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.160 I thought you couldn't play for this team unless your 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:56.560 name was Joe. Like everybody that was named Joe that 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:58.680 had something to do with it. And you know, Joe 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.280 has one of those games, one of those football names. 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:03.600 Joe Thie mean. 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:05.080 Like I'm shotting football face. 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:06.640 Yeah, it just sticks. 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:10.240 Like so when I think a quarterback to me personally, 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:12.720 now I know everybody, like I say, everybody got that guy, 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:15.960 My guys, Joe thighs, me, my guy, Joe Thighs. Not 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.600 only because he was a great quarterback, he also ran 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.680 back punts And it's that big what if stigma? What 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.480 if he doesn't get hit by Lawrence Taylor at that 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.520 yard line and get he brings all of these records. 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:29.760 Look at his numbers. 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:31.800 Also, yeah, just just see, like can you look up. 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:33.320 He had a couple of years where he was just 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:37.479 like the dude in the NFL No like thirty touchdowns, 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:39.600 He's like thirty five hundred yards passing like he was 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:41.000 crushing it. And again I. 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.960 Thought, so no, because I want he's he's doing his 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:48.120 research thing. Look up his real pronunciation of his last name. 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.920 He shared that with us. His last name isn't pronounced 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:54.679 than it was thievesman, and he said. 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.960 They gave it because he just ran because. 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:59.520 It looks like the word heisman. 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.000 This is how I came, like, they want to change 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.079 my name to smut if we're gonna get me five. 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:09.280 But that's a good point though, because like when I 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.000 growing up and you know Joe Thaisman, I was like, man, no, yeah, 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:13.840 he must have been a baller because it's the Heisman, 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:15.400 you know what I mean, It's like the But again, 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:17.760 like he was extually I think the reason people knock him. 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:19.520 And I don't want to speak on this because I 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.160 don't know that much about it. But then he was 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:23.160 kind of on. He was a passenger, so to speak. 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:26.480 Those teams are running the football a lot, played good defense. 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:30.960 You don't have these numbers passing. These numbers are beyond 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:31.840 game manager. 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:33.319 But you got a thing too. He was a different 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:36.920 type of quarterback. He was like the the Steve young. 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:38.600 Man. 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:41.840 Basically he can run the ball. Yeah he can, of course, 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:42.520 he can run the ball. 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:42.920 He ran back. 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.360 Yeah, So you know, I still have a hard time 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:49.480 believing that. That's why because it's just like it's just 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:54.600 like you and because he ain't right, That's exactly what 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:55.760 I'm saying. He's not Tim d. 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:56.000 White. 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:58.320 Like it's just like the idea that you couldn't that 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:02.920 your quarterback, you're starting quarterback, was your best returner. It's 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:04.640 like I can't wrap my head around here. 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:08.760 Well, Lamar Jackson could be the best return the Ravens 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.160 right now. So all I'm saying is Thaisman had those 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.360 years where one it was a lot of success around 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:22.040 the team. Two he felt looked seemed like a franchise quarterback. Three, 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.640 Like I say, it's something about a quarterback with that 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:26.640 Joe Montana. 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:31.440 I didn't like that name. That just it echoes. It 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:32.040 just worked. 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.800 Then it was like Joe working with Joe, Joe Gills 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:35.600 working with Joe Thig. 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.160 It was just like it was with Joe Ja Kobe. 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.240 It was like nine Joe's on the team at the time, 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:42.840 like it was the thing to And I just like 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.120 that it fits, it works. 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:47.720 Yeah. And the other thing about him I think is 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.320 like he's he's such like a pillar of the like 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:52.240 he comes around the building and it's like, oh Joe, 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:53.640 like man, he. 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:55.560 Always just come doing that forever. 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:57.679 And we used to be coming off the field and 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.240 I go to be I'm sure I'm beating there in 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:01.840 a shower, and then that'd be be in a shower. 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:04.480 Yeah yeah, yeah, you. 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:05.120 Doing his. 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:09.360 Popping up in every Thursday. 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.760 So that had been one of those guys that he 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:13.840 had that green light, you know what I mean, Like 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.240 it don't matter what he needed to use, He's gonna 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.079 come here, he's gonna eat with, he gonna heat work. 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:19.719 Guy he did. He did what he wanted and. 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:20.400 Also a great guy. 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:21.520 Yeah great. 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.280 So yeah, I think there's an interesting And the other 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:26.480 one that I think is really interesting is Sonny because 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.960 like when you look at when Sonny played, he was 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:32.960 like the first like a real air raid guy. Yeah, 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.400 and his number. I remember looking up his stats last year. 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:38.080 He had a year where he had I think it 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:42.360 was thirty six hundred yards passing, thirty seven touchdowns something 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:45.920 like that, and it was better than I think. 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:47.200 It was thirty four ofthet of league. 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.080 He he would have been the fifth quarterback in passing now, yeah, 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:51.600 you know what I'm saying. And he had a seventy 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.680 perccond like his the numbers were very modern in terms 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:56.520 of how they looked, and I think like for a 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.559 guy that like, you know, we talked about Sammy Ball 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:00.560 like all he did as a football player, right, talk 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.120 about Joe this when the Super Bowls, the leadership, the 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:06.480 playmaking ability, kind of the ly fit. But then when 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:08.800 I look at Sonny like he was an innovator from 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:10.960 a past game standpoint, and then that's all him, that's 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:11.600 you know, like. 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.800 But you can't say Sonny without saying Billy Kilmer. 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.000 Yeah, talked me about it. 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:21.240 It's this theme with those two where the fan base 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:24.960 had to choose, like it kind of separates. 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:25.920 You do you know the history of it? Can you 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:27.320 walk me through a little because I'm not familiar. 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:31.440 Wasn't Kim Er the starring quarterback? First? Yeah, Kim went 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:35.839 to star heard and now in sunny Field then and. 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.400 Something and then you know, if you let me fill in, 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:44.280 you might so Brady where it was half of southeast 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.200 d C is all about Sonney in Northeast DC is 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:50.079 all about Kim. So it was a theme with those 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.720 And I remember when I first guy here, we used 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:56.319 to have this couch just right there in highway Sonny 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.959 every day and Sam Huff Yeah. And I used to 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.280 go sit right between them and listen to some of 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:04.239 these stories. 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.199 They are both. Those guys are tremendous story. 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:10.800 A great store intellerate, the old person magnet, you know, 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:13.160 a little old person. 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.480 Right next to the look because I feel like old 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:19.640 people they get they get a knowledge up for free. 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.439 They don't, they don't even they just offered it up. 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:24.719 And I just love people, and I love to sit 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:26.840 back and talk to them. But when you say Sonny, 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.239 you got to say Billy Kilm because right there separated 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:30.840 fan base. 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.720 Do you think that there's any conversation about Kilmer being 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:36.679 better than Sonny statistically? 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.520 Statistically? No, I want to. 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:41.400 Look at that again. I'm not a I'm not I'm 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.840 a fan of Washington, but I'm not like a historyan 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:49.320 I am, you know, and I think the and I 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.400 think just looking at statistics, looking at the film, looking 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:55.640 at his impact on the game. Obviously Sonny's impact was bigger, 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:57.000 you know what I'm saying. But I just was wondering 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.080 if the fans, like Ki was first. 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:00.880 Like said, they go to theme you got realized. 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:03.920 We talked about when this team moved from Boston, like 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:05.720 this team used to be in Boston. Like when this 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:09.200 team moved from Boston, I think Kim was a part 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.960 of the team then. So it's like kind of like 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.679 that's their first person that they identified with, you know. 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.120 And the other thing about Sonny is the broadcast stuff, 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:19.880 you know, like just in terms of legacy, you know 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:21.640 what I mean, Like he was the voice of the 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:23.960 command kind of like John Madden was the NFL. Yeah, 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.800 Like there's something about that that just makes him kind 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:27.960 of linger. 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.200 Through generations generation. 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:34.680 So Joe thim to Joe Joe Diamond, I was listening 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:36.800 to one of my college games, and matter of fact, 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.240 not even my college game. You know how they had 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.200 that thing around the draft when they popped up and 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.760 showed your your your day when you got drafted. 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:45.720 Joe Diamond was talking about me. 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:49.320 I'm like, damn, Joe sitting up here breaking me down, 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:52.320 you know what I mean. You know, it shows you 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:55.000 that some of these guys, we basically was playing the 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:56.960 game while they was basically coming us. And I remember 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.880 Sonny just I laughed. Listened to some of those conversations 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.960 in the boot with Sonny and Larry and Sonny being 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:06.960 three words. He said, three words, and sometimes it'd be 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.920 the funniest you know, segment or words that came out 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:11.520 the whole day, you know what I mean. So now 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.440 they definitely did great jobs of just covering this team, 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:14.600 you know. 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:17.000 Yeah, yeah, Michael, Larry being there like, yeah, Sonny, you 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:18.640 know they just took it to the fifty yard that, 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:20.880 Oh yeah they did. 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:24.160 Sonny said, hello, it's one of them. I'm scoring. And 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.520 Sonny said, I never seen anything like that, And Larry said, 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:27.640 well you didn't see the Dallas game. 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:31.440 Say yeah, yeah, up, son. 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:37.320 Give me a J nine you know them cigarette you can. Like, 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:42.160 anytime I think of Sonny, it's kind of red arabackage, 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.800 like for for like for the for the Celtics, he's 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:46.920 known for the cigarette. 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.920 Sonny is known for the in the lobby too. It 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:52.280 wouldn't be smoking it, but just not just chewing it. 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:56.080 Yeah, oh god, yeah, So Sonny's before my time. But 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.280 my dad like remembers Sonny. He tell me all all 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.720 the time, like we need a Sonny Jergens in that Carrea. 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:05.280 And so forgive me if I'm not exactly right fans 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.400 with this, but I believe it was in like seventy 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:10.760 three or seventy four, it was Kilmer and Sonny was 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.960 kind of the debate moving forward, and that's where you 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:18.080 got like the I like Sunny lights because in d 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.600 C people would have I love Kilmer or I love Sonny. 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:25.640 Yeah, really bumper stick because the fan base was it 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:26.320 was separated. 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:27.120 I didn't realize that. 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:28.120 And Kilmer was more of. 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:30.880 A conservative quarterback. Again, I didn't ever watch him plays 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:31.240 before my. 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:38.240 Yeah, and Sonny was creative and like wow, yeah, yeah, 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:43.040 it's funny watching his old highlights, sunny highlights. It is 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:46.280 gonna sound crazy, but there's a there's like a Mahomes 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.920 feel like it is like you know they we're talking about, 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:51.760 like he did like a behind the back pass for 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:55.840 a touchdown and like the left handed throw rules rules 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:59.080 ball away and again like kind of had that. Uh 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.640 that's special something that I'm sure at the time was 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:04.639 probably frustrating for coaches, but now it's like that's what 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:05.280 you're looking. 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.359 For me, And it's so fun of how you can 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:13.080 have these in house civil wars over like players. But 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:15.840 it's only the quarterback position that this happened, because we've 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.639 seen this happen in the modern days with Kirk and 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:22.360 RG three. Like, so we've seen this story play out before, 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:24.159 but it never happened with the Wire or he was 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:25.720 the tight ends out of DBS. 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.680 Yeah, so that's an interesting question statistically. So you know, 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.080 I would kind of put those guys in their own tier. 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.960 You put Joe, Sonny, Sammy, you could put those in 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:36.879 any order. I think we're probably filming, but that's the 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.159 top tier right in those But the guy that I 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:42.040 think is maybe the most interesting two guys, and they're 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:45.040 interesting for different reasons. One is Kirk Cousins. 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:45.480 Yep. 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:48.280 Because he's the fourth all time leading passer here at 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.280 the organization. Yeah, and I know people don't really like him, 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:54.239 but in terms of good quarterback play, what you mean, 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:55.800 I don't like him? You don't think people like him? 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.440 People like they going off their Kirkcaine, They go Kirk 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.080 the Kirkain'. He did't none to him. 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.680