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Speaker 1: In today's episode of The Command Center Podcast, we're talking

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Speaker 1: best Washington QB's. We got Sammy Boss, Sonny Jergensen, Joe Thaisman,

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Speaker 1: Doug Williams. Who's the best of all time? We talk

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Speaker 1: about that in great lengths. We'll make you check it out.

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Speaker 1: And who's the best quarterback that we ever played with?

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Speaker 1: Tanna played with fourteen different quarterbacks. Man, it's got a

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Speaker 1: lot of guys to pick from. Who is the most

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Speaker 1: underrated quarterback in Washington football history of the guys that

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Speaker 1: we played with? Our answers might surprise you. And we

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Speaker 1: talked early impressions of Jade Daniels. It all starts right now.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Command Center Podcast. I'm Logan Paul, sit

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Speaker 1: here with Fred's Foot and Santana Moss. Guys, so fun

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Speaker 1: to be here with you today. We have our live

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Speaker 1: show coming up June fourteenth, Franklin Hall, DC, seven pm.

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Speaker 1: We will be giving out these shirts, yes right, free merch, yes,

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Speaker 1: so please come by. We will also be giving out

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Speaker 1: the five signed jerseys I believe, right is that right?

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Speaker 2: Signed shirts?

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Speaker 3: These jersey you can draw a mustache on his face

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Speaker 1: Want, Yeah, And I'll sign my big forehead right here.

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Speaker 1: Just sign that right on.

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Speaker 4: So Intern Carolina has selected our five winners that sent

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Speaker 2: Thank you, you guys signed it.

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Speaker 4: They'll be coming out in the meal soon. But if

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Speaker 4: you come out to the live show, I'm sure you

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Speaker 4: guys wouldn't mind signing.

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Speaker 3: The first to Franklin Hall. Y'all gonna love Franklinhall.

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Speaker 2: That's some of Hall.

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Speaker 1: The draft, the FIRELM went off.

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Speaker 3: The firelan went off, the roof was on fire. Nobody live.

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Speaker 3: It was crunk out there. It's a huge place. The

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Speaker 3: food was great.

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Speaker 1: Is it like a bar, It's a bar.

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Speaker 3: No, it's it's it's more than a bar. I'm telling it.

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Speaker 3: It's the body being. Franklin himself probably parted it in

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Speaker 3: the same team.

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Speaker 2: I love telling you. It's worth to visit my friend.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. In addition to the live event, we

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Speaker 1: also have a really cool new podcast coming out called

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Speaker 1: Hail Tails, and it is a kind of recap of

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl season that team Jason to Guy. Jason

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Speaker 1: produced it. I got to listen to it early. Very good, Jason,

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Speaker 1: nice done.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I produce an editor, but Hannah Lichenstein didn't.

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Speaker 2: Most she did like the word she interviewed.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the first episode is all about the lead up

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Speaker 4: the Super Bowl twenty two with Doug Williams in nineteen

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Speaker 4: eighty seven, and uh man, Hannah put in some work.

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Speaker 4: She got interviews with Joe Gibbs, she got Doug, she

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Speaker 4: got Doug's brother Ricky. Yes, she got Charles man Dexter Manley,

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Speaker 4: and Doug had a emergency dental operation.

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Speaker 1: She got the dentists day before the super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, day before she got the dentist to talk about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: found the found all these people, they all agreed to

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Speaker 4: do it. So think of like a documentary but podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of it's kind of like a football life ish,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But about that specific and this.

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Speaker 4: Is just the first episode. Got six of them really

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Speaker 4: come out this summer.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, if you're a Commander's fan again, I got

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Speaker 1: to get a sneak peak of it. It's it's good

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Speaker 1: stuff and you know, gives a lot of context for

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Speaker 1: the organization that year specifically, and uh show how special

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Speaker 1: some of those people on that team were.

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Speaker 2: And dead message was brought to you by just a guy,

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Speaker 1: Just a guy Jason, who you guys get to see

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Speaker 1: at the live event, you'll see him in person, just

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Speaker 1: the guy.

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Speaker 2: He looks like just a guy like he looks you.

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Speaker 5: Told him he looked like he's just a jag.

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Speaker 2: No, his hair looks at let's get that correct.

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Speaker 1: Got enviable hair for sure.

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Speaker 3: But he doesn't like thor after he failed to stop thanos.

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Speaker 1: My guy, you me saying that about it?

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Speaker 4: Representation matters and I felt seen.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so we got a kind of a

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Speaker 1: cool show today. Something. I'm excited to see your guys

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Speaker 1: perspective because I'm a young fella, way younger than you guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm really curious to see who you guys are gonna

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Speaker 2: All right, Let's start here. Let's start here.

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Speaker 3: You can say who the best, but every generation is

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I look at this list we got

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Speaker 1: we got Jason Campbell and Mark Brunel.

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Speaker 1: I'm a history person, But Sammy Ball was mister football.

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Speaker 1: He rushed, he played defense, he played back in the day.

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Speaker 2: Interceptions didn't me this one?

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Speaker 1: that excellently. He played quarterback and had more interceptions in front,

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Speaker 3: But he had more interceptions than this guy had receptions.

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Speaker 3: It's you know what I say that, Like, if you

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Speaker 1: Is it twenty seven? Jason thirty seven?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in twenty thirteen, hell of a year for you,

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Speaker 4: Not your career hiding yard yards though? Can you touchdowns?

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Speaker 2: But it's seventy more kitches than the dead? Come on, man,

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Speaker 1: Say that about anybody. You had twenty more more interceptions

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Speaker 6: People look at not not even numbers.

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Speaker 5: But when you hear the stories about quarterbacks here because

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Speaker 1: Mean, dude, one hundred and eighty seven touchdowns, like throwing

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Speaker 1: he returned like he was just like a guy, like

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they smoked square that halftime. They went out there,

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Speaker 5: That was the iron man type of type of football

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Speaker 1: And also have you seen him give an interview by

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Speaker 2: He's wild, Yeah he is wild, idiot.

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Speaker 1: He's like he's given an interview for NFL now just

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Speaker 2: He was to do.

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Speaker 3: I have to say this because watching from the South

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Speaker 3: I thought you couldn't play for this team unless your

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Speaker 3: name was Joe. Like everybody that was named Joe that

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Speaker 3: Like so when I think a quarterback to me personally,

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Speaker 3: My guys, Joe thighs, me, my guy, Joe Thighs. Not

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Speaker 3: only because he was a great quarterback, he also ran

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Speaker 3: back punts And it's that big what if stigma? What

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Speaker 3: if he doesn't get hit by Lawrence Taylor at that

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Speaker 2: Look at his numbers.

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Speaker 1: He had a couple of years where he was just

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Speaker 5: Thought, so no, because I want he's he's doing his

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Speaker 5: research thing. Look up his real pronunciation of his last name.

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Speaker 5: He shared that with us. His last name isn't pronounced

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Speaker 5: than it was thievesman, and he said.

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Speaker 6: They gave it because he just ran because.

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Speaker 2: It looks like the word heisman.

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Speaker 3: This is how I came, like, they want to change

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Speaker 3: my name to smut if we're gonna get me five.

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Speaker 1: But that's a good point though, because like when I

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Speaker 1: growing up and you know Joe Thaisman, I was like, man, no, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he must have been a baller because it's the Heisman,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's like the But again,

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Speaker 1: like he was extually I think the reason people knock him.

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to speak on this because I

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Speaker 1: don't know that much about it. But then he was

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Speaker 1: kind of on. He was a passenger, so to speak.

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Speaker 1: Those teams are running the football a lot, played good defense.

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Speaker 2: You don't have these numbers passing. These numbers are beyond

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Speaker 2: game manager.

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Speaker 5: But you got a thing too. He was a different

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Speaker 5: type of quarterback. He was like the the Steve young.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 5: Basically he can run the ball. Yeah he can, of course,

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Speaker 5: he can run the ball.

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Speaker 6: He ran back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, I still have a hard time

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Speaker 1: believing that. That's why because it's just like it's just

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. He's not Tim d.

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Speaker 3: Like I say, it's something about a quarterback with that

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Speaker 3: Then it was like Joe working with Joe, Joe Gills

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Speaker 2: It was just like it was with Joe Ja Kobe.

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Speaker 2: Always just come doing that forever.

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Speaker 5: So that had been one of those guys that he

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Speaker 1: I look at Sonny like he was an innovator from

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Speaker 2: But you can't say Sonny without saying Billy Kilmer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, talked me about it.

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Speaker 3: It's this theme with those two where the fan base

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Speaker 1: They are both. Those guys are tremendous story.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that there's any conversation about Kilmer being

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Speaker 1: Look at that again. I'm not a I'm not I'm

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Speaker 2: Like said, they go to theme you got realized.

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Speaker 2: Through generations generation.

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Speaker 5: So Joe thim to Joe Joe Diamond, I was listening

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Speaker 5: I'm like, damn, Joe sitting up here breaking me down,

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Speaker 5: Sonny just I laughed. Listened to some of those conversations

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Michael, Larry being there like, yeah, Sonny, you

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Speaker 3: Give me a J nine you know them cigarette you can. Like,

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Speaker 3: anytime I think of Sonny, it's kind of red arabackage,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh god, yeah, So Sonny's before my time. But

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Speaker 2: Yeah, really bumper stick because the fan base was it

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize that.

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Speaker 4: A conservative quarterback. Again, I didn't ever watch him plays

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Sonny was creative and like wow, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's funny watching his old highlights, sunny highlights. It is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's an interesting question statistically. So you know,

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Speaker 1: Because he's the fourth all time leading passer here at

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Speaker 1: I don't like him? You don't think people like him?

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Speaker 2: People like they going off their Kirkcaine, They go Kirk

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Speaker 1: Like he left though, I think, no, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: We are we are big, huge supportive.

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Speaker 6: I think they didn't feel Kurt won enough.

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Speaker 5: we don't really need them, we can get somebody else,

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Speaker 5: because he hasn't done anything, but he's he's putting up numbers.

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Speaker 2: He's putting up numbers.

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Speaker 3: But also his his his business part of the BIS

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Speaker 2: No you know, I'm a party, y'all work. You gotta think.

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Speaker 6: You got to think too, man.

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Speaker 5: The year that r G three had in two tho

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Speaker 6: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: When is he going to take over a game? So

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Speaker 5: he had that stigma with him for so long here

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Speaker 6: For the championship?

442
00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,840
Speaker 3: Till he was hearing that because that's how we got

443
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,760
Speaker 3: the famous phrase you like that there because get what

444
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,280
Speaker 3: y'all say, I can't win.

445
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:47,960
Speaker 2: I just won in Week seven?

446
00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,680
Speaker 1: You like that? Yeah? And it was a prime time game, right, Yeah.

447
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,960
Speaker 1: So I think he's in an interesting tier with like

448
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,720
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, Mark Ripping, Doug Williams. Yeah, and again like

449
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,399
Speaker 1: im how you stack those guys, because Doug, there's the

450
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,280
Speaker 1: historic element of Doug you won a super Bowl, first

451
00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,360
Speaker 1: African American quarterback to play to start in the Super Bowl.

452
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,600
Speaker 1: The sensation, I mean, it's there's something that can't be

453
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,320
Speaker 1: overlooked about that cannot But in terms of numbers, it's

454
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:15,760
Speaker 1: not like.

455
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 3: He can't compare with the rest of them. He has

456
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,920
Speaker 3: to be with the Jason Campbell's of the world when

457
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 3: it comes to them.

458
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, But it's like there's something and I got

459
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,080
Speaker 1: I'd probably put him up there because he did win

460
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 1: a super.

461
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 2: But you went, like the one thing super Bowl Trump's

462
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 2: all everything.

463
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,480
Speaker 3: I could say that super Bowl Trump's if I had

464
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,679
Speaker 3: two Russian yards and I have just started running back

465
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,919
Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl team, I am one of.

466
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 2: Them, miss running They ever grace to think about it.

467
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:46,680
Speaker 2: People think more about Terry Allen. Did they do Stephen Davis?

468
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,680
Speaker 2: Stephen David was better, had more yards, but we didn't

469
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 2: want to.

470
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 6: Get a better example.

471
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 5: Nana Swann get more credit than Stalwart, and Stalwart had

472
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,120
Speaker 5: better player, I think was a better.

473
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 6: Receiver all over. But Swan made the highlight in the playoffs.

474
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 5: So you say, for years, I used to be sitting

475
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 5: there like man star Wars that guy, and then I

476
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 5: looked at it.

477
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 6: I mean, I mean, Lin Swann's that guy.

478
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 5: Look at star Ward numbers, I'm like, oh, hold on on,

479
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,159
Speaker 5: how did this guy go to the program?

480
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 6: Let me go to the Hall of Fame before this

481
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 6: guy when he has the numbers. So at the moment,

482
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 6: that's just how this world is wired, you know what

483
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:23,199
Speaker 6: I mean.

484
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 5: We're gonna salute the guy who did it in the

485
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 5: prime time when everybody, when everything was on the line,

486
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 5: then the guy who was consistently doing it.

487
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm percent agree with you, but I

488
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 1: hate that.

489
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 2: I hate it too, you know, the way to separate

490
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 2: the role. I can't stand it.

491
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 1: Like basketball, and it's like, oh, you know, Michael's better

492
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 1: than Lebron James because.

493
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 6: He won six champions.

494
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 1: It's like there's a million other reasons you could say

495
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 1: why Jordan's better, Like that's like irrelevant.

496
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 2: You know.

497
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 1: It's like there's like a team element there.

498
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 2: That's the case. Bill Russell is the best player, got

499
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 2: Kareem all guys. So I don't love that.

500
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 1: But again, I understand that. I understand what you're saying.

501
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 1: I think that's one hundred percent right now. Again, it's

502
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 1: a big deal for the for the organization, for the city,

503
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 1: for Ducks. I don't know, do you put him above Kirk?

504
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 6: Yeah? You won Super Bowl?

505
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I kind of feel

506
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 1: that way.

507
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 2: You can go out here because you gotta look at it.

508
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 5: Also, you know, like I said, if you're not winning

509
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 5: games with those yards that you're putting up, yeah, what

510
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 5: did you do?

511
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 2: Well? Think about this?

512
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Yo, Some of.

513
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 3: The receiving groups you've been a part of, you pr

514
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 3: DJAS more, people say this is one of the top

515
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 3: while receiving corps, the course that watch never had.

516
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they'll never put you out before the posse.

517
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 2: Theos went there and won.

518
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: That's a question though, because like semi ball won two championships,

519
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 1: and again that was a million years ago, but Sonny

520
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 1: didn't win a champion championship and Joe won a championship.

521
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,439
Speaker 2: So do you Sonny?

522
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 6: Sonny? Sonny, Sonny, Sonny?

523
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 2: What's Sonny?

524
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 3: But I still you know, Joe is my number one pick,

525
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 3: like Joe thives mean to me, is the best quarterback

526
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 3: to ever play here.

527
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 5: And Sonny's championship is the yellow jacket, right, I see

528
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 5: what you're saying, saying, Yeah, so that's the championship you get.

529
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 5: You get to put on one of those you're champion, champion, monks, champion.

530
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: So I don't know that much about mart Ripping, I know. Yeah,

531
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 1: so let's talk about him because like he does have

532
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: a championship. Yeah, do you put him above Kirk?

533
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 6: Yeah?

534
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: Hell because of the championship. Because of the numbers. First

535
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 2: of all.

536
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 5: First of all, the only reason when I talking about

537
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 5: Mark Ripping right now, because we're talking about Sonny and Sam.

538
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 5: But when we talk about the legacy the history of

539
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 5: this game, we talk about Doug, Thiseman and Rippkin. You

540
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, this team, this white child. That's

541
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 5: when I first got here, I didn't hear nothing. I

542
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 5: didn't know Sonny. I didn't know nothing about Sonny until

543
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 5: I kind of got here and got settled, and I

544
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 5: didn't know anything about Sammy Ball. All I knew something

545
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 5: about is Doug Williams. Where it was Joe Thiman first,

546
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 5: Doug Williams and Mark Ripping. That's all I heard about

547
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 5: when it came because those are the guys that Joe was,

548
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 5: the three different quarterbacks that Joe Gibbs won championships with.

549
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 5: And Ripken was always a guy that when I was

550
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 5: coming up in the you know, watching football, you always

551
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 5: heard his name at rip Ripkin like I think he

552
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 5: was a baseball player for because Mary Kyle rip there

553
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 5: you go, So I knew it was a ripkin playing base.

554
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 2: A lot of ripping there is it?

555
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 1: Do you think you this is something I always kind

556
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: of go back to, like like you know, you go

557
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: to the go to the old high school game and

558
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: the old heads are out there and oh, this team

559
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,959
Speaker 1: is good, but they're not. They're nothing like them eight Lakers,

560
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: right or whatever, And a little bit because like they

561
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 1: grew up watching that. Do you think you a prisoner

562
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 1: at the moment you give those guys more points? Seisman

563
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 1: Williams ripping because those that's who you guys grew up

564
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: watching No.

565
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 6: One championship, one championship.

566
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: That's what it is.

567
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 5: I mean, look, this city will always be known for

568
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 5: the three championships. And if you was a part of that,

569
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 5: if you the quarterback or not, those are the game

570
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 5: that I seen him say, yeah, yeah.

571
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 2: Most come on, we would be Mitchell out of time.

572
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 2: We start trashing each other out he doing put that.

573
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 2: Sometimes they don't know who Mitch is. We walking they

574
00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: be like that and they're like, that's be men, because

575
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 2: you do never forget that time, you know what I'm saying.

576
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 5: So it's just one of those things and like like

577
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 5: trust me, man, Like I don't envy nothing about you know,

578
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 5: no one and what they accomplish. This is but I

579
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 5: would have loved to just play, not play, because that

580
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 5: planning and is overrated. Win a champion, yeah, I would

581
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 5: have loved to win a champion, you know, feeling.

582
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: I was talking about feeling, talking about father on all

583
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: that side, and it's about this championship thing. And one

584
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: of the things he said was like, you know, Andy

585
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 1: Reid was considered, you know, a good coach, but not

586
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: a great way because he won the championship. And Kyle's

587
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 1: kind of going through that same thing Shanahan right now.

588
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: He's he's maybe the best coach in the NFL, but

589
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: he's never He's always going to be a tier below

590
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: till he wins.

591
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 6: That hurts him.

592
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: I know it hurts me.

593
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 5: It hurt me for because I'm a big cal I

594
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,479
Speaker 5: love everything about Cale Young and when I see him

595
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 5: every time he going and I'm like, should I not

596
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 5: root for him? Because like I'm rooting for him making

597
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 5: him not win, you know, but he's gonna get one.

598
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 5: He's one of them coaches up that we're gonna look

599
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 5: back on and say damn it took him.

600
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: This just took him along this long Listen to win

601
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: a championship here.

602
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: I would have loved it, especially if we would have

603
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 3: won with Coach Gills being here for the second time.

604
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 2: He would have let me coordinate that Super Bowl parade.

605
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 2: I know, no game chose coordinator. Listen. We would have

606
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 2: came down down. You would not You was not even you.

607
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 2: Was not a good stand up with the league. I

608
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 2: was gonna come down independent. Listen. It was gonna be

609
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 2: one one two. Remember I tell you like this.

610
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 5: They were gonna love smooth for smooth, but boy, you

611
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 5: weren't gonna be able to be in charge of nothing

612
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 5: after that book.

613
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 2: Coach Gibbs he always liked because that was my dude.

614
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 2: I'm super close with him, Like even when it.

615
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: Was I got a question for you because we had

616
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: a really cool podcast with Doug Williams. If you heard that,

617
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: make sure to check it out. But he seems like

618
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,719
Speaker 1: just a really genuine personal He's in goodard.

619
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: Was he like that with every Yes? Really well, just

620
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 2: like any coach.

621
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: You got some players you're a little bit closer to them,

622
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 3: but he treated everybody the same.

623
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 2: He was one of them. Coaches.

624
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 3: You ain't got a knock to go into his office.

625
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 3: Just walk in there, we walk into the field. He

626
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 3: talk to you like coach was just more.

627
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 2: Than a coach. He had the granddaddy effect.

628
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think too, man, When when I learned about

629
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 5: you know, him playing for him as much as you

630
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 5: love you, You loved him for being a kind hearted,

631
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 5: you know, kind of a soft guy. He didn't tolerate

632
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 5: that BSc. He wanted nuhing, but he wanted nothing but hard.

633
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 5: And I'm gonna say this is the right man. He

634
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 5: wanted you to have a birth. He wanted guys to

635
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 5: play for him between the white lines. He wanted you

636
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 5: to be a different dude. And so you would look

637
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 5: at him because he always had these you know. One

638
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 5: thing I loved about his stories.

639
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: He was sitting here.

640
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 5: He would sit there and tell us the story about

641
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 5: how great we are to be one of those one

642
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 5: percent you know, we one percenters like he like, man,

643
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 5: I could never be you guys, But I'm looking at

644
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 5: him like coach, Yeah, we could never be right, you

645
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 5: know what I mean? Like you the greatest of the greatest,

646
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 5: that can put all these guys in one room and

647
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 5: lead us to the Promised Land, you know what I mean.

648
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 5: And I saw it from watching and then got a

649
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 5: chance to play for him, and I'm like, this is

650
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 5: why this guy makes things special, you know what I'm saying.

651
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really interesting on the Hails Tales podcast

652
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: where they talk about was it the eighty seven super

653
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: Bowl that's coming out July fourth, Like just listening to

654
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: him talk, he's like he's just very you know, kind

655
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: of not not like it doesn't have like this great voice,

656
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: but the attention to detail. And they was talking about

657
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: a practice they had leading up to the Super Bowls,

658
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: like them boys were physical. Yeah, and you can just

659
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: you can hear I can almost hear the clocking of

660
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: the pads as he was talking, you know what I'm saying.

661
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: And I was like, there's something about that guy. He

662
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: can paint a picture, yeah, pain it, yeah, one hundred percent.

663
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: So okay, let me just this. We're gonna finish up

664
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 1: right here is so you said Joe number one to me, right?

665
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: So where does give you your list? Right now? Go

666
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: for it? All right?

667
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,239
Speaker 3: I got Joe that is minute number one, all right,

668
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: all right, Joe thousand and number one. I got Sammy

669
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: bid number two I got Sonny Jergerson at three, I

670
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 3: have Mark Ripping at four, and I got Doug Williams

671
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: at five.

672
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: That's how what do you think, Taylor? I think he can't.

673
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: Really you can't.

674
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 6: You can shuffle that run.

675
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 5: But those guys are the guys that probably that represent

676
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 5: this history, this rich history.

677
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: I feel like you can tell the story of this

678
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: organization through those.

679
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 5: Five because because I would say, the only person I

680
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 5: probably would switch is Sammy Bard at two, and and

681
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 5: you man Sonny at and put Sonny at two. Three,

682
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,239
Speaker 5: I put Sonny at three and put Sammy at two.

683
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 5: I would have Joe at one, Sammy Sammy at two,

684
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 5: and Sonny at three.

685
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

686
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 5: And it's only because the championships, But if you really

687
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 5: want to be technical, you can put Sammy in front

688
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 5: of all three of those guys.

689
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 6: You see what I'm saying.

690
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: So it was also like a different era, like he again,

691
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: like he's a cool to talk about because of everything

692
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: he did in his era. He had like a sixty

693
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: percent completion percentage, didn't throw the ball like he was

694
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: just such an outlier. But again, that's really cool. So

695
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: let's talk about this real quick best quarterback you played

696
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: with while.

697
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 6: In DC, I would say, I would say Mark Vinell's mine.

698
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: He's the guy.

699
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 5: And you got to think this is coming from uh.

700
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 5: So I played here ten years and I had eleven quarterbacks,

701
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 5: I believe. So, yeah, I had a ten.

702
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: Years I had.

703
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 5: I had fifteen and fourteen years total football. But as

704
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 5: a Washington whatever you wanted to call us, as a Redskin,

705
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 5: I played for the Redskins as a doing those ten

706
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 5: years here, I had eleven quarterbacks and Mark I only

707
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 5: had him for a year and a half. And it's

708
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 5: crazy as that might sound, he was my favorite. He

709
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 5: was my favorite and the best quarterback that I said

710
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 5: when it came.

711
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 6: To see one of the things that, well, I know

712
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 6: why you liked him so much.

713
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: That's one reason. That's one Just talk about it. I had.

714
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: I had a great year with my Pro Bowl year

715
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: because we were researching he had so he had three

716
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: thousand yards passing that year. They were talking about twenty

717
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: three touchdowns. Ten had eleven of them. Yeah, So talk

718
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: about a guy who knew how to.

719
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: Get the ball to his man.

720
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 5: And that's the that's what I'm going to bring up.

721
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 5: That's with not having any reps in training camp.

722
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

723
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 5: That's with me not knowing nothing about him. That's what

724
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 5: him just saying, Tana, I'm gonna get.

725
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: You to rock.

726
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 6: Hey, Hey, I might need you backside.

727
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: That's how you Jimmy.

728
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be in the progression, Bingle. I wouldn't be

729
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 5: in the progression and Mark finds me. So that's just

730
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 5: knowing football.

731
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: And can you name all the guys you played with?

732
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: By the way a little bit.

733
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 5: I think I think I might miss two guys and

734
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 5: one from New York and it's one from here. Y'all

735
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 5: gonna know their name, So start with New York. I

736
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 5: had Chad Pennington. I had Benny Testaburdy, who's my favorite

737
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 5: quarterback I played with in New York test Verity.

738
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 6: I had Quincy Carter.

739
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

740
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 5: Mark, if I'm not mistaken, that's how you pronounce that Mark,

741
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 5: Mark Bolger, s Mark Virginia, Mark Bojer, Mark Mark Borger

742
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 5: or something like that. It's not Bolger play for the Rams,

743
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 5: not him. It's another guy Mark. It might be Mark

744
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 5: Burger and Mark bro I don't have pronounce that would

745
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 5: have been four and four years with them.

746
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: I get here.

747
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 5: I got your boy who you like Ramsey the worst,

748
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 5: Pat Pat Ramsey, I got that's five. I got Mark Brunell.

749
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 5: That's six. I got your boy we just talked about.

750
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 5: But Todd is in there. But I'm talking about the

751
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 5: first of Jason Kimball, then Todd Collins, then Donovan mcnawa

752
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 5: now then.

753
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: Then my man from Florida, Uh Rex Gross sixty rex Ho.

754
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 6: That's team the guy who.

755
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 5: Forget right now he's with them back there you go

756
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 5: act love so No, the Beck is r G three,

757
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins you got from Texas who play co McCoy,

758
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 5: McCoy and and last.

759
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: But that's that's thirteen.

760
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: Last fourteen played.

761
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 6: With one more guy here?

762
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: Well you I survived one more guy here that threw

763
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: me a ball, that threw me.

764
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: In the game. Oh gosh, that's tough because there was

765
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: a period of time it was rex.

766
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: Back, it was it wasn't it was the old boy

767
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: that played for thirty three team Johnson Johnson, he was I.

768
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 6: Went here with Josh. Somebody else threw me a ball here, huh, I.

769
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: Would say, because Coke got hurt in fifteen, know who

770
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: got hurt in four?

771
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: You did not play with Mark Sanchez.

772
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: No, he's always That was the year after that Mark came.

773
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, Mark played, he had us list I

774
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: want to chase Keenum.

775
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 6: No, I want none of those guys. It might it

776
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 6: might have been. It might have been the Texas last

777
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 6: he's the last one.

778
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: So it was it was third summer.

779
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's like thirteen, right.

780
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: And I came here.

781
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: No one.

782
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: Jiff George my first quarterback.

783
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 3: He didn't make it through the year. Therefore we had

784
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: Tony Banks. You don't remember Tony Banks. Tony Banks is

785
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: a West Coast guy quarter a black quarterback, puts you

786
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: down the field.

787
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: Then we come back with the Jetskins. That's what we had.

788
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 2: Shane Matthews, Danny Waffle. Uh oh yeah, I got bad.

789
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 6: So who was your so? Who was your favorite of

790
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 6: the of all your quarterbacks here?

791
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: You know what I feel.

792
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: My heart went out to Pat Ramsey because I felt

793
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: like we set him up for failure, for failure, so

794
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: my heart went out.

795
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 2: I loved personally a quarterback. Nobody loved Jeff George.

796
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 3: Listen, one of the strongest arms, accurate, but he is

797
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 3: so arrogant.

798
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: All right.

799
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 3: The only person got in the way Jeff George is

800
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 3: Jeff George because all the god Gallant I mean talent,

801
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 3: he had that talent. But I can't say he the

802
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: best quarterback I played. We here because guess what, ain't

803
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: but one quarterback ever took.

804
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: Me to the playoffs. Here one Todd College, Todd good Chief.

805
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: The Chief.

806
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: The Chief waited sixteen years, yeah to get his first start.

807
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: Good friend.

808
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 3: Man, it finally got the start at the end of

809
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 3: the season, and the Chief took us to the playoffs.

810
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 3: All right, Todd College, I know they're sitting to Borlow

811
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 3: Todd Collins, what about you.

812
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think through it because I obviously

813
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: was here. So this is what I'm gonna say. I'm

814
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: gonna kind of like Hedge with my answer. So the

815
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: best year I had with the quarterback was obviously Robert

816
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: in twelve. Like he was he was untouchable that year. Man,

817
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: Like he the way through the ball, the way he ran,

818
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: the way he elevated the whole offense. I mean, the

819
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: play calling was huge, I hear. The guy that was

820
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: probably the most impactful for me in my career was

821
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: probably Rex Grossman. Like he was just a great guy

822
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: as a young player to be around. Yeah, because he

823
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: was super accessible, super good dude, good leader, been around

824
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: with a bunch of teams, good communicator, understood football well

825
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: and was able to kind of convey that to me,

826
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: which was great. And then in terms of like the

827
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: best guy, and I got Kirk when he was young,

828
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: but the guy that I knew could be good when

829
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: he started playing was Kirk. And to see him now,

830
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: like it all makes it makes sense. I'm not saying

831
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: I called it, but like that's kind of how I

832
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: feel about it.

833
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: And so, uh had a good group. Man. Think about

834
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: the group of quarterbacks I had, I was destined to

835
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 2: not succeed.

836
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: I know, it was tough. And then obviously Donovan. Having

837
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: Donovan here was cool because he was like my favorite quarterback,

838
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: grow he was my mom's favorite quarterback.

839
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 5: Just to give some Oh, his name was Brooke Brooke Bolinger.

840
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 5: Brooke Bolinger, Brooke Bolinger, that's what his name. I had

841
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 5: to find it, man Brook. So yeah, I've been saying

842
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 5: Mark all this time. It's Brooke Bolinger, all right.

843
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: So that's kind of kind of up.

844
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 6: Brooke Brook was one of my guys.

845
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: I like Brook. Yeah, that's a group of quarterbacks man.

846
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 6: And it's so crazy.

847
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 5: None of the quarterbacks, none of the quarterbacks I played with,

848
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 5: but one went to a Pro Bowl and it was

849
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 5: RG really.

850
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: Pro bo.

851
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 5: Not in the years I played with them, the year

852
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 5: and the years I played with them, none of them.

853
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 5: Only r G three was a Pro Bowl quarterback. Mark

854
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 5: should have went the year that I would played.

855
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 2: With the Pro Bowl court.

856
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 3: But the only time I played with the Pro Bowl

857
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: quarterback out with the Vikings take hope help. But that's

858
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: the only Pro Bowl quarterback I ever had in my life.

859
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: The most underrated quarterback in your opinion from my team, Yeah,

860
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: from Todd Commins to Collins.

861
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: Most underrated Jason Campbell. I'm gonna get to Jason.

862
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: Because if Jason no, I just said, I just felt like,

863
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 2: if Jason had.

864
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 3: This, I cut outside the lines a little bit, he

865
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: would have been a better quarterback. But tools, he had

866
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 3: all the tools, height, arm strength, smart like he had everything.

867
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 3: I thought Jason and I thought we didn't do Jason

868
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 3: no gifts by giving him like twenty three offense coordinator.

869
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then and then he didn't have an offense

870
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 5: that that suited him came to him. The reason why

871
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 5: I say Todd is because no one saw it coming.

872
00:37:58,920 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah you want.

873
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 6: No one would gave him a chance, nobody, and he

874
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 6: just sat here.

875
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: He quiet.

876
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 5: He learned he was the backup, and when Jason went down,

877
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 5: he led us to the playoffs. I mean, we couldn't miss.

878
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 5: I mean, and it was crazy. He turned around my

879
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 5: season because at that time I was I was upset

880
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 5: with Jason. Jason was throwing the ball so hard and

881
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 5: so high and so late. I was like, damn boy,

882
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 5: this is just just not fun, you know, because you

883
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 5: know when you feel like you're getting your back blown out.

884
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 5: And Jason was young, so it's no offense to Jason.

885
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 5: We talked, We had these talks back then, and it

886
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 5: was crazy. The next year, I had my first thousand

887
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 5: yard season with Jason, but Todd came in and just man,

888
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 5: I mean the ball I would remember. I remember that

889
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 5: Cowboy game, last game of the season here, and that's

890
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 5: the year we lost you know, Sean and mc tarr

891
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 5: was on one. The ball was like it's just like

892
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 5: it couldn't miss. Like he just knew, like, man, I'm

893
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 5: going to make where I'm going before I was throwing

894
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 5: that thing to me and it was like it was

895
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 5: just and I hate playing in rain, and it was

896
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 5: beyond raining that day. It was nasty outside, and it

897
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 5: seemed like every ball Tar threw it was just like perfect.

898
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 6: I mean, he was just on the money.

899
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 2: Minnesota.

900
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 3: When we had to bring that guy to go into

901
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: the playoffs, yeah, he like Todd hiking the ball one

902
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 3: point two second the ball out of his hand.

903
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 6: I ran out and up on I forgot who that

904
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 6: guy was over.

905
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 2: There onex one winfield.

906
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 5: When I went up on him and I turned, I

907
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 5: literally put my foot I was doing the out route

908
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 5: and Todd was throwing the throwing talked about. By the

909
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 5: time I turned around, you know, I'm you know, I

910
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 5: got to speed for it, and the guy who covering,

911
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 5: he's trying to, you know, catch up, and by the

912
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 5: time he caught up, I'm already going over his head.

913
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 6: That's how Todd was. He just threw the ball perfect,

914
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 6: perfect time.

915
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: I want to say a guy that's probably gonna be

916
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: a little controversial, it's gonna be John Beck. And the

917
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: reason we say John Beck is because I don't think

918
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: people listen, listen, listen, listen. I just wanted this is

919
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: something people understand about the position.

920
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: I'm just putting it.

921
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: But I get you because I get you and the

922
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: reason I understand. Man, But that guy prepped crazy. He

923
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: like to be a starter and it just didn't work out.

924
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 6: You know, I'm gonna say this, man, and I'm gonna

925
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 6: be me because you know, I'm a realist.

926
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: I'm a realist. But I don't knock that.

927
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 5: I don't knock that by Beck. The only throwing in

928
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 5: my behind about Beck. And I'm not, you know, shamed

929
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 5: to say this, and I'm he probably would if he

930
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 5: ever heard this, he'd probably.

931
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: Say, I'm right.

932
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 5: Is he just boasted before we got a chance to

933
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 5: do things. I thought the world of him, How he

934
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 5: called people, how he wanted to get guys to go

935
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 5: work out, how his preparation, he wanted to do everything right.

936
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 5: But you got to do it before you talk about

937
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 5: And I didn't like no one that boasts to me

938
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 5: because it's like, you know, our son this. I love

939
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 5: our son to this day, great, great, great soul. You know,

940
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 5: he had a hard like no other guy. I think

941
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 5: our sun is still stay in the area. When I

942
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 5: came in, he saw what I did my first year

943
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 5: here with us writing plays in the dirt. He say, Tanner,

944
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 5: I just came from the greatest show on the turf.

945
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:57,479
Speaker 5: You're gonna have two thousand yards.

946
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: Don't tell me that.

947
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 6: I'll let's go out here and play for and then

948
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 6: get me.

949
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. And I didn't have him, y'all.

950
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: And he was saying sorry to me at the end

951
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: of the year, like ten.

952
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.

953
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 6: No, man, just don't talk about what we're gonna do.

954
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: That's why I didn't do it.

955
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 5: So that was that was the thing that bothered me

956
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 5: the most about Beck, because Beck was like, man, we're

957
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 5: gonna do that, and then we got there, like Beck,

958
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 5: what the.

959
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 6: Hell what you doing? You know what I'm saying, beg.

960
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: Let me repeat that. He sounds like a count that

961
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 2: works in Memphis.

962
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 6: He's a gun back.

963
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: I'm a counter back. If you call me like yeah,

964
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: we got jumm back next week. N No, John Beck,

965
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: come on.

966
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 5: Man, tell me this though this because it was a

967
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 5: you know, I never wanted to go down in the

968
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 5: middle of the season and have to come back and play.

969
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 5: I remember when I broke my hand and I watched

970
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 5: those four games. Man, it was like the worst time

971
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 5: of Like I was almost happy to be hurt at

972
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 5: that time, Like I promise, because I'm looking at Jabi

973
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 5: Gaffney and Jambaik come off.

974
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 6: You know, he don't bite his hold. Bro. We went

975
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 6: to We went to Canada to play Buffalo.

976
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: Bro.

977
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 5: Dad had to be the worst game I've ever saw

978
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 5: in football, like me watching football from any seat, from

979
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 5: playing on and sitting on the bench, or as a spectator.

980
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 5: At that moment, I was a spectator because I had

981
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 5: a broken hand.

982
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: Bro.

983
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 6: We couldn't get up. It's like we couldn't move.

984
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 2: The chain at your local councilman, John Big.

985
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: And so the reason I wanted to bring him up

986
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: also because dude, I mean, like you said, everything you're

987
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: supposed to do, Yeah, he did it did it just

988
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: didn't work out. And again I think that shows you

989
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: how hard it is to make it out because like again,

990
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: he was a guy. He'd stay I remember my rookie year,

991
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: we'd stay after every Monday and we'd go through the

992
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: entire game script. He'd make every throw. You go in

993
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: and study all the fields like he just you know

994
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: what he worked out.

995
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 5: You know, I think though sometime that happens. Who are

996
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 5: you as a person, you know what I mean? Like

997
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 5: I mean don't get me wrong. I'm not saying nothing

998
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 5: bad about him because I liked him as a person.

999
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 5: I said, but I feel like if you kind of

1000
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 5: if you kind of do too much barking without you know,

1001
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 5: without putting up the work. It happens that way. You know,

1002
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 5: when you can't bark, you can't sit out here. Like

1003
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 5: my dad always say, I say this to this day.

1004
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 5: This is one of my favorite sins. A man gonna

1005
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 5: show you who he is, A man gonna show you

1006
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 5: who he ain't by telling you who he is. Yeah,

1007
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 5: so they think about that. Yeah, you tell me, you

1008
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 5: this not time out of tendant because to tell me

1009
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. So that's why I've never

1010
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 5: been opposed to wanting to hear nothing or you tend

1011
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 5: you finna go out, Know, I'm just gonna go.

1012
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 6: I'm gonna prepare myself.

1013
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 5: I'm gonna prepare myself to go out and do the

1014
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 5: best whatever may happen that day, because you don't know,

1015
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 5: you never know.

1016
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 6: Just be ready for it, you understand.

1017
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so you know, we talked about some of

1018
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: the best quarterbacks, some of the worst quarterbacks in Washington history.

1019
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 2: Got about the worst.

1020
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: We talked. We talked about some people that you know,

1021
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: potentially didn't that didn't work out, even though we've got

1022
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: a lot of respect for him. But then we got

1023
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: to go jayde Daniels, you know, and like, what are

1024
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: our first impressions of him? And yeah, let's start with

1025
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: first impressions.

1026
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 3: I love the person because that's how we really know

1027
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 3: about right now. I love the person. The person seems

1028
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 3: to be grounded. Yeah, he seems to be a team player,

1029
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,959
Speaker 3: and he seems to have his the heartbeat of the team,

1030
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 3: if you know what I mean. And nothing seems hard

1031
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 3: to him. I watch him in practice. No throw seems

1032
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 3: hard to him. And right now it's all about learning curve.

1033
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 3: He seems to be picking up the offense pretty quick.

1034
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 3: So the intelligence is there, the athletic ability is there now,

1035
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 3: just like John Beck, can he put it all together?

1036
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: That's gonna be the question.

1037
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's one of the reason I brought it up,

1038
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: is because like there's something about like knowing the book

1039
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: and studying because John knew it right, and I think

1040
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: Jayden knows it for you, it's pretty good. But I

1041
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: think the thing about Jaden that I've been impressed with

1042
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: is that his ability to go execute and act on

1043
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: that right and kind of make place, make the throws

1044
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: work the progressions, let his footwork take him to the concept,

1045
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: and you know he's at least picked it up really quickly.

1046
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: The technical document seems to be there, so I know

1047
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, they're still in helmets.

1048
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: You know, they're not still a pillow.

1049
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: But I think in terms of you know, answering or

1050
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: taking the test that's given to you, I think he's

1051
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: just done a great job kind of checking off boxes.

1052
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: And again, like he's like I think Tanner, you probably

1053
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: appreciate this the most. He's not a guy that's gonna

1054
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: tell you like, oh I'm this this this No, I'm here,

1055
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: I'm here to work, I'm here to get better. I'm

1056
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: here to try to be the best version of my.

1057
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean one of the things that you know,

1058
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 5: quarterbacks can be. It can be hit a mess when

1059
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 5: it comes to personality. While you get some quarterbacks that's

1060
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 5: their whole life into they self, and so you have

1061
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 5: to deal with that because they like well, like I said,

1062
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 5: into their self, it's about them.

1063
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 6: It's their show.

1064
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 5: So you're gonna have to listen up and then you

1065
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 5: get other quarterbacks that's like Jaydon Dames approachable, that's what

1066
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 5: and to take in whatever you're hearing, or they want

1067
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 5: to listen to what you see or or how you

1068
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 5: want the ball thrown. Okay, I'm gonna give it to

1069
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 5: you less this way. Like I was amazed when Vinnie

1070
00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 5: used to be like, Tennis, so what's your see tenn

1071
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, you asking me because some quarterbacks, you know,

1072
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:04,479
Speaker 5: I'm young, I don't.

1073
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 6: I never saw an older guy. And this is my

1074
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 6: first time.

1075
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 5: Really having having this experience because let me just remind you,

1076
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 5: Chad is my age.

1077
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 6: He ain't asking me what I see? Yeah, come on,

1078
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 6: get to that spot.

1079
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 5: You know you hear that sometimes like well, okay, you

1080
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 5: want to be a little you know what I mean,

1081
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 5: Like I'm getting there or I'm gonna get there because

1082
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 5: I know, you know, it don't take me long. But

1083
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 5: when I look at jay and he seems that guy,

1084
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 5: and every time I listen to one of the guys

1085
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 5: that he played with, that's.

1086
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 6: What I'm hearing.

1087
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 5: Man, he's a team, he's a guy. He's a fun

1088
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 5: guy to be around. Even through the draft process, all

1089
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 5: these guys, everybody was like it was like he was

1090
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 5: one of those guys they everybody gravitated to him, you

1091
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 5: know what I mean, because the way his spirit is

1092
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 5: and that's rough for quarterbacks because people's kind of like, oh,

1093
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 5: that go the dude over there, and then when it's

1094
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 5: a quarterback and the rest of bingo.

1095
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 6: And so I think that's right there.

1096
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 5: That's a good way to start off knowing that he's

1097
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 5: a guy that's very approachable, that's gonna be, that's gonna listen.

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Speaker 5: And he's a fun loving guy. So he want everybody

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Speaker 5: everybody I had fun is make sure those guys get off.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And again I think back to those that

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Speaker 1: thing he said in our interview where he's like I

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Speaker 1: kind of dude to do. Yeah, And so obviously the

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Speaker 1: and they're excited about him. I think he's done a

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Speaker 1: great job checking all the boxes. So really, every time

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Speaker 1: we get to watch practice, that's first I'm most excited

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Speaker 1: to watch because he's the most important position. That's why

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Speaker 1: we dedicate a whole show to talking about these guys.

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Speaker 1: There's a reason that Thaisman is this iconic thing or

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Speaker 1: Sonny is this iconic thing is because they play the

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Speaker 1: most important position in the sport. But that's gonna do

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Speaker 1: ugly faces. Checks out on YouTube and.

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Speaker 2: We got faces on that chest. That's it, that's right.

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